August 6, 2025 • 33 mins
When did classroom education cross the line into psychological trauma? Chrisy and Kerry take us on a journey through their Catholic high school experiences that left lasting scars decades later. What's most striking is how these educational traumas continue to resurface decades later. As parents themselves now, Chrisy and Kerry wonder: has education evolved? Are today's students still being exposed to similarly disturbing content, or have we developed more thoughtful approaches to challenging material?
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DJ Nick (00:07):
Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast.
We may not have seen it all,but we've seen enough.
And now here are your hosts,chrisy and Kerry.
Kerry (00:20):
Hello Junkies, I'm Kerry and
Chrisy (00:23):
I'm Chrisy.
Kerry (00:24):
Welcome to our show today .
Today's show is all aboutChrissy .
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go.
Chrisy (00:31):
Kerry first initially said didn't we already cover
some of this?
Because we did, If you go backand listen.
We did do an episode abouttraumatic TV movies and shows.
That sort of stuck with mespecifically because I was
sitting in front of thetelevision so much.
But this episode is about stuffthat our educators chose to
(00:56):
traumatize us with meaning somecrazy educational movie in
school and those lovely booksthat we read in school.
Kerry (01:07):
I think some of these books.
They might be banned now,aren't they?
Chrisy (01:11):
Are they?
Kerry (01:11):
really, I don't know.
I feel like they might be and Ifeel like some of these shows,
like I could see where todaythey'd be, like you ain't
showing our kids that I don'tknow.
Well, we'll let listenersdecide after they hear today's
episode.
Chrisy (01:25):
These are now when I brought this first thing up that
we, I was exposed to and wewent to a Catholic high school
and we had a class our sophomoreyear, because when you go to a
Catholic high school, you arerequired to take religion.
Yes, that's not pushed on us,that's just the understanding.
Kerry (01:42):
And they talk about, they teach about other religions.
Chrisy (01:45):
It's not just about catholic they go through a lot
of different religions andexplain what different religions
and so yes, I never got thefeeling from any of our religion
courses that it was promotingcatholicism without recognizing
that there are other people andother beliefs.
Kerry (02:02):
So we.
Chrisy (02:03):
I think they really did a good job making sure that we
were open minded.
Kerry (02:07):
Well-rounded.
Yes, we had options.
Chrisy (02:09):
Yes, yes, so it was never about saying this religion
is good and that's bad, so, butthey now what I was going to
ask you, though do you rememberseeing this?
Because I feel like you don'treally remember it.
I don't really remember it?
Kerry (02:22):
I don't really remember it.
I wonder if you were absentthat day, although I generally
don't think you were ever reallyabsent.
I really wasn't absent much,but I was sometimes pulled out
of classes, like, for instance,I did that one class where we,
for our religion credits, wewent out to the community and we
served at places.
Chrisy (02:40):
Oh, okay.
Kerry (02:41):
So I would be gone for like like two periods because we
would go to a nursing home andwe would talk to the people and
visit with the people, or wewent to a preschool and we
helped with the kids, or we wentto Easterseals and help with
the Alzheimer patients.
So I feel like this class wasthe class that you were in, but
I was in one of the otherprograms doing service projects
(03:03):
or something, but this almostsounds like the morality class.
Chrisy (03:06):
It was the morality, Was the morality class which I did
take morality.
Kerry (03:09):
But I don't.
Maybe I was.
Maybe this is the day I wasreading in the doctor's office
in pain, the one day I missedschool and you know I don't want
to think about that for you atall.
Chrisy (03:19):
Well, I am fascinated for a future episode we need to
talk about I'm not going tospend too much time on it this
lovely thing you were chosen for, how come they didn't say hey,
chrissy, do you want to go andmake preschoolers feel better
about things?
They weren't looking at me forthat.
You didn't do the serviceproject.
You didn't do that.
I hate to say it.
Kerry (03:38):
I didn't even know leave for two or three quarters.
It was for one semester or Ithink it was one, I think it was
half the year and we wouldleave and we would go do service
projects and and we every likefour days a week we went to four
different places and then thelast day of the week we would
talk about whatever and we allwent to different places.
So there'd be like four of usand we would go there.
(04:01):
And so yeah, I know the nursinghome, the, the Alzheimer's
Center, the daycare and EasterSeals were the four places I
went to.
Chrisy (04:08):
Those are all very wonderful causes.
Yes, I'm just bummed.
Well, I'm not, I'm not, and notabout not going to the places,
right?
But if you would have asked me,they obviously knew what they
were doing when they chosepeople to do that.
Because I'm just going to andI'm being honest here, I've
probably been like eh move on.
Kerry (04:28):
They probably knew that you would have been smoking in
the car or putting your makeupon.
Chrisy (04:43):
Probably going to your nursing home and being like
sitting down with grandma hereand being like grandma.
Give me one of them, Newports,Applaud you and applaud that our
alma mater had a program likethat yes, awesome.
Kerry (04:50):
But I so I don't really remember this movie personally
watching it, but when you talkabout it I do kind of remember
it.
So I think I remember becausekids talked about it.
I don't well, I did not watchit Either.
Chrisy (05:01):
I think you were two types.
You talked about it because youwere horrified or you didn't
talk about it because you werehorrified.
Kerry (05:08):
Because you grew up either not talking about things,
because your family didn't talkabout things you were horrified
about, or you normalized it, soyou talked about it.
Chrisy (05:16):
Right, and just to tell you my own personal experience,
I didn't talk about this for along time.
Really, it was that traumatic.
Kerry (05:23):
It was, it is.
We need to tell about thisbecause we've been talking
around it.
Chrisy (05:28):
So tell them the premise of this movie.
This movie that they showed isimmorality.
My husband was kind enough tohelp research this, because I
didn't even want to Google it,because I don't want anything
like this popping up on my phone.
The movie we're pretty sure wascalled the and it was based off
of a book.
Am I correct?
(05:48):
Yes, To sacrifice his son, anallegory.
Okay, and Carrie, go Talk aboutthe religion part of this.
My husband touched on it, butI'm going to leave it.
You seem to have a good handle.
Kerry (06:00):
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but can you just do
a quick touch on what you weresaying?
Yes, so, when DJ Nick wasexplaining about this movie, it
goes back to the Bible Genesisstory of Abraham and God asking
Abraham to kill his only son.
And so Abraham, you know, hasto make this decision.
Does he kill his only son?
And or, you know, for his loveof God?
(06:20):
And so he takes his son up tothe mountain, and he was, you
know, going to as much as it waskilling him to kill his son.
He was going to do that to showGod his obedience and devotion.
And at the last minute, theangels stop him and say you know
, don't kill your son, youclearly show your dedication to
God.
And at that moment a ram wastangled in the bush, so he
suddenly had something else tooffer as a sacrifice to god.
Chrisy (06:43):
So, oh my god again, this is what you say.
It's horrible enough to thinkabout.
You're gonna.
You've been asked to do this toyour child.
I know but then this poor thebrain, wasn't it got stuck?
It was collateral damage but,uh, you know what I'm gonna
focus on this story?
Focus on the story, okay, focuson the story, okay, focus, real
quick.
This is what it was about.
(07:04):
Yes, so it opens.
And remember this is like themid to late 70s, yeah, so.
Kerry (07:10):
That the movie was made.
That the movie was made.
We saw it in the late 80s.
Chrisy (07:14):
Yeah, in, yeah Well, yeah, no, late 80s, you're right
, 88.
So it was like present day typething for when it was filmed
and you see a family in akitchen Mother mother is
pregnant, father and a littleboy at the table, probably maybe
two years old, three years old,and it's very nice opening.
(07:35):
They're having breakfast, dad'sgetting ready to go to work.
You know, mom makes breakfastfor everybody.
They have a quick sit down andthen dad leaves to go to work.
So we see dad go off to work.
They have a quick sit down andthen dad leaves to go to work.
So we see dad go off to workand soon we realize that dad's
job is.
Kerry (07:53):
He works as a.
What is this job?
A conductor, a bridge?
Chrisy (07:55):
operator, Bridge operator for the train to cross
over this very large gully.
So he's at work and we hear atrain coming.
(08:16):
This is where it gets badpeople.
And okay, where is this going?
Well, then we see a littlefigure walking along the tracks
and soon we realize it's thisman's little boy.
And now the decision has to bemade Do you sacrifice your child
to save all the people on thetrain?
(08:37):
The man's decision is hesacrifices his son.
That's horrible and we have towatch the pain on this man's
face after he makes thatdecision.
I'm glad I didn't watch.
I'm glad I didn't have yourclass but you, you had to have
it, but you, just like I said,you were lucky enough to maybe
get pulled and go to do somelovely, maybe public service you
(09:00):
know, or maybe, maybe I didwatch it and I was so
traumatized I've blocked it.
I couldn't.
Maybe it's a repressed memoryand, like I said, I didn't talk
about this for years.
just recently and so after wewatched the movie, we were
tasked with coming together as aclass and discussing, basically
justifying why this man madethat decision, and why, it was
(09:23):
the right decision, justifyingwhy this man made that decision
and why it was the rightdecision.
And so some people said well,his wife was pregnant, so he was
going to have another child, orthe fact that it was about
saving hundreds of lives overone life Wow, it's a dark place
to go.
And when you're 16 years old,it was just hard place to go.
(09:46):
And when you're 16 years old,that's horrible.
It was just hard.
So I guess I would have to sayI'm not exactly sure it made me
feel closer to God or made mequestion my moral decisions any
better or worse.
I'm not exactly sure back thenwhat the educational decision
was to have this as part of yourclass.
Kerry (10:02):
I wonder if our parents had to sign something that we
were.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
We didn't do that back then.
Chrisy (10:08):
I don't think did they.
I don't know, I mean ourparents weren't really involved
anymore and I don't think backthen, just the thought process
wasn't anything that they felt.
You were going to school, yeah,and you were learning and
that's what you were expected todo, so so that is very
traumatic it was traumatizing,that was traumatizing.
So the other thing was Iremember doing it seemed like
(10:30):
10th grade was just really hardon us, really, because we read,
not that this was hard, this isa book that is important to
history and everything else.
And again, if I say it wrong,because I've heard people say it
two different ways Hiroshima orHiroshima.
Kerry (10:46):
I'm sorry.
Chrisy (10:47):
We read that yes, I remember that, yeah, and
remember this is the late 80s,so we were still in the cold.
This was before the wall camedown and everything, so we were
still fairly preoccupied withthe possibility of a cold war or
nuclear war?
Kerry (11:03):
with Russia.
Chrisy (11:04):
And so that was a little terrifying.
Yes, just reliving that part ofhistory, but then they had to
double down on the trauma.
You just read this book aboutsomething that really happened,
but yet let's just totally sendit home now.
Kerry (11:21):
Mess these kids up.
Chrisy (11:22):
We watched a movie called Testament.
I know you thought it was.
What movie did you think theymade us?
Kerry (11:28):
watch the Day After.
Chrisy (11:29):
Which is another horrible, horrifying movie, but
I didn't see that.
I saw this movie.
Kerry (11:34):
Oh, so the movie I'm thinking the Day After is not
the same movie as Testament.
Chrisy (11:38):
No, but it's similar storylines, it's about a nuclear
war happening Right Probably instory.
Well, it's about a nuclear warhappening right, probably in the
80s or early 90s, but this wasthis movie.
Testament was from the 83 youtold me 83.
We were seeing it five yearsafter it was made in english
class.
So okay, it's basically anuclear bomb is detonated in the
(11:58):
united states.
I think we basically aredealing with uh, california, in
moment.
And basically all you do iswatch these people suffer and
die.
Kerry (12:09):
Is this where the mother had the little boy in the sink
and he's just hemorrhaging blood?
Yes, okay, see I always.
God, that was traumatizing thatwas testament, that was
testament and she could donothing to save him, nothing to
save him.
Chrisy (12:22):
Yes, he from the radiation?
Kerry (12:24):
Yes, the radiation.
Okay, see, in my mind I thoughtthe movie was called Day After
and so that's okay, but it wastestament.
Chrisy (12:31):
But to give you credit, the Day After is a movie that
deals with sort of the same idea.
Yeah, absolutely.
Kerry (12:36):
I remember that scene and now that we talk about this, I
think this is why I was alwaysterrified of a nuclear war.
Chrisy (12:42):
Why we were all terrified of it.
We were definitely terrified,but wow.
Kerry (12:48):
Yeah, oh, yeah, I will never forget that scene.
Yeah, with the mother and thechild in the sink.
Yes, yes, it was so much blood.
Chrisy (12:54):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I don't even know how to bringthis back to anything.
Oh my God.
Okay, so we're done with thehorrible movies.
Okay, let's get on to somethingthat I'm just going to shit all
over.
Kerry (13:07):
Okay, but wait a minute Before we move on to horrible
movies or other things.
Let's finish the horriblemovies.
So I need to take a breath herebecause I know I've given you
trauma because you forgot I did.
See, this is what I was saying.
Repressed memories.
But God, no wonder why.
No wonder why we're dysfunctionjunkies.
Chrisy (13:26):
Chrissy, I know, I know and I bet you Do, kids Are your
kids having to watch this shitin school now, do they?
Do this?
No, not that I know of.
Kerry (13:36):
Was this some kind of special hell that we had to go?
Chrisy (13:38):
through.
But if I don't know, I mightfind out in 15, 20 years from
now, when my daughter, my oldest, graduates.
Because I didn't tell myparents about it.
In fact, I don't think I evershared this with my parents
Because they would have beenlike well, of course, it's just
normal, don't worry about it,it's a movie.
Did they give you popcorn?
Kerry (13:54):
I'm going to have to text your daughter and say I don't
know if you want to talk aboutthis to your mom, but you can
talk about me about this, butare they?
Chrisy (14:01):
making you watch this in school?
I don't think so.
I'm worried for her.
I I think we've evolved alittle bit and I don't.
Yeah, you have a goodrelationship you guys talk about
well, no, I mean as, hopefully,as a school system and what I
hope as far as educators are outthere.
What is the value in doing thisto students?
(14:22):
I don't know, but it screwed usup.
Well, it is.
It's terrifying.
I'm not exactly.
I would love to pick the brainof the.
First of all, the moralityclass was taught by a sister.
I'm not going to say her namebecause I don't have permission
to, but she was a nun, of course, and taught religion there, and
other was an English class, andI religion there, and other was
(14:42):
an english class, and Iremember her name too.
Kerry (14:44):
I won't share it but she was an english teacher at our
high school.
I'm not saying that it's yeah,that one.
Okay, I'm mouthing theteacher's name because I'm like
I think I can't completely blamethem for their choices.
I have no idea because it wasprobably school curriculum the
curriculum, so they werefollowing the curriculum.
They probably showed this toprior they probably were in the
teacher's lounge tipping backshots and stuff going oh good
(15:04):
God, I got to teach that classand show that frickin movie
today.
Chrisy (15:07):
Yeah, and they did.
They sat in class.
Think of how many times theyhad to watch it.
And then they had to discuss itand hear people justifying
things.
Kerry (15:17):
And they taught the same class all day.
Yeah, yeah, and they taught thesame class all day.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much yeah.
So they were teaching this liketo eight different classes, I
bet.
Chrisy (15:26):
If they want to come on to our podcast and talk about
their trauma and dysfunction.
Kerry (15:31):
Yeah, I think they should .
I wonder if that teacher'sstill alive.
Chrisy (15:34):
I think they both are.
I think so All right.
Kerry (15:37):
We need to find this out.
I'm really troubled by this andI saw the show notes and you
had texted me the idea of thisand I was like, yeah, okay, I
hadn't really given it muchthought.
Yeah, no, it's bad.
Chrisy (15:48):
What were you going to say?
So if people do want to watchthose, they're both free on
YouTube.
Kerry (15:52):
Of course they are.
Of course they are.
Don't watch it please everyone.
I am trying to spare youtorment.
I was while you were talking.
Chrisy (16:07):
I was.
I Googled it on my phone.
Kerry (16:08):
Don't do it, because now you're going to get horrible
things, and I accidentally hitthe record button, so let's see
oh double.
Chrisy (16:12):
That person doesn't get that text message, they'll be
like well, so now let's talkabout that.
Now we can move on.
Yes, and I hope this will be alittle bit more lighthearted.
I think it will be, because wedefinitely need to brighten it
up a little bit.
Kerry (16:27):
Yeah, looking at the list here, the one for sure.
Oh yeah, that's going tolighten it up.
Chrisy (16:32):
Well, which one are you looking?
Kerry (16:33):
at the last one.
Chrisy (16:35):
Oh, oh that.
Oh, wait till we get to that.
Oh my God, I couldn't evenremember the damn name of it.
We'll get to that in a second.
So books we read in high schoolyes, I know, you had to take
some English courses in college.
Everybody had.
Kerry (16:48):
Yes To some extent.
Chrisy (16:50):
Well, I think you had to at least take one, depending on
what you tested.
Kerry (16:52):
I was just going to say I took one.
I didn't a major in that, so Iliterally think I took one class
in English.
Chrisy (17:00):
Right, I think everybody was required to take the one
literature course.
Oh, you had to take two, unlessyou tested out of it, which
maybe she did.
Kerry (17:07):
Well, because you know why I took college prep classes
in high school.
So that might be why I only hadto take one.
Chrisy (17:12):
Yeah, or you could have taken a lot of the English
courses were offered because youhad to take so many electives
right, and I think I also took alike a speech presentation
class.
In fact, that same englishteacher taught me that in
college because she also taughtat the college and I didn't know
that yeah, I think, yeah, itwas like a speech.
Kerry (17:30):
It wasn't a debate class, but it was a speech and public
speaking class.
Oh, okay, and and I think thatwas my.
I feel like that was my english, that's what I, that was my
only english thing I had to take, okay so well, what I'm trying
to separate is because I didactually graduate with a degree
in english literature so I reada lot of books.
Chrisy (17:49):
Yes, I don't read anymore and horrible, I'm sorry.
Literature is very importantand I have total respect and
appreciation for literature.
I'm just lazy, I am very lazy.
Kerry (17:59):
you're good at YouTube and you get it.
Chrisy (18:01):
You get your literature through movies and I am a
product of now and I do like myinformation quick and probably
in about a 20 to 30 minute spot,just like our podcast.
Yes, we want you to getentertainment quickly and move
on to our next episode, episode.
So so, chrissy, go.
These books traumatized me inhigh school.
(18:23):
I don't really rememberanything in college.
Well, there was one book I'll.
Maybe I'll talk about thatlater, but first we want to deal
with these books we had to readin high school.
Yeah, all right, what's upfirst here?
Let me see, let me see, let mesee.
Okay, all right, here's.
This is an awful book andliterature.
People are going to come at me,bro.
Come at me, bro, try to justifythis one.
Steinbeck fishing.
(18:44):
Anybody out there fish?
I'm sure you do.
You went fishing.
You caught your dad.
Kerry (18:51):
I remember that that was the old man on the lake, not the
old man in the sea.
Chrisy (18:56):
Okay, so Carrie just introduced the name of the book
Old man and the Sea.
Nothing that is more torture.
(19:16):
And then they made a movie outof this.
Kerry (19:19):
I remember the book and I actually remember liking it,
but I could not tell you whatthe plot and the story was at
all.
I just remember I liked itCarrie.
What's the?
Chrisy (19:30):
plot A flippin' old man on the sea fishing, but he never
catches anything.
What is the plot of this thing?
Kerry (19:38):
I'm sorry.
Chrisy (19:39):
This is a piece of shit.
Kerry (19:40):
This isn't Moby Dick, is it no, no.
Chrisy (19:43):
No, At least that there's a challenge.
Is this guy trying to catch aflipping?
What do you call those fishthat have the big horn coming
out of their face?
Oh, a marlin.
Kerry (19:53):
A marlin.
I think it's a marlin, a marlin.
Chrisy (19:55):
Is that like the California state?
Kerry (19:56):
fish.
No, I think that's the Floridalogo.
Chrisy (20:02):
Oh, I'm thinking of somebody.
Kerry (20:03):
It's a baseball team the Florida Marlins.
Chrisy (20:07):
Again, people, I apologize, I don't fish, I'm not
a nature person.
I really don't care for reading.
I remember that, so just thebook awful, awful Spencer Tracy.
I know that everybody respectshim as an actor.
Kerry (20:20):
Well, I don't know Anybody out there respect.
Chrisy (20:22):
Spencer Tracy as an actor.
I know it gets a lot of hubla.
I'm not even going to sit hereand name Spencer Tracy movies,
but he was in that.
Okay, I'm pretty sure he wasthe actor in the film version of
it.
Kerry (20:33):
Now it's coming back to me Now I kind of remember yeah
you're right, it was really justbad.
Chrisy (20:39):
I'm sorry.
Kerry (20:40):
I remember it didn't bother me.
Chrisy (20:42):
Let's just say that Okay , I'm having no anxiety and deep
breathing about this, as I didtowards the movie.
The only anxiety I have is thatit just never went anywhere.
Yeah, it was a little monotonousand I think that anybody in
literature, whenever this waswritten, I don't know for sure,
I'm guessing 30s, 40s, maybethat generation of new writers
(21:03):
that came up in like the 50s and60s, like Kerouac and, oh,
Ginsburg the poet, I don't knowthat.
They really I can't speak forthem, but I'm thinking that
their type of writing style andliterature was basically in
opposition of what Steinbeck wasdoing at this time period.
If you want to hear any sort of, You're speaking a language I
(21:25):
have no idea you could literallybe speaking French right now.
Kerry (21:29):
Well, actually, no, I've been actually taking French
classes.
Let's say Chinese.
You could be speaking Chinese.
I know no Chinese, so whateveryou're saying here is like I'm
sorry.
Chrisy (21:37):
Sorry, chrissy, that you're saying here is like I'm
sorry, sorry, chrissy, I justthat's maybe the extent of my
literature knowledge.
I can maybe comment on that,but I am not trying to speak for
jack kerouac or alan ginsburgand how they felt about stein
back right, okay I'm getting sofrustrated, I'm losing control
of his name.
I'm just thinking because theirliterature style was so
different compared to this.
Kerry (21:58):
Yeah, okay, what's your?
Chrisy (21:58):
next movie the Great Gatsby.
Kerry (22:01):
I love the Great.
Chrisy (22:02):
Gatsby.
They made two movies out ofthis piece of crap I like it
who's?
The author of this F ScottFitzgerald.
F Fitzgerald Fitzgerald.
Yeah, I know, I know this name.
He's written something elseimportant, oh okay, oh, okay,
you're gonna look it up.
I thought maybe somebody knewthat offhand.
Okay, f scott fitzgerald, Iguess yeah shout out your book
(22:25):
and the movies are crap and thisis like something we can't even
.
Kerry (22:29):
But it got even better when it had.
Oh, you talked about him withthe meme.
Who is it with the meme?
Chrisy (22:34):
well, you because they did another version, a newer
version le Leo.
Dicaprio and Tobey Maguire, ldcand.
Kerry (22:43):
I don't know who the girl was in that.
I love Leo DiCaprio.
Chrisy (22:45):
Well, I like him too very much.
Well, in one movie, how can younot A couple movies?
I like him, Quentin Tarantinomovies.
He made two with Quentin andthose are both wonderful, but
and I didn't see the one withLeo and Toby in it- Because, I
had to bear witness to the onefrom the 70s with Robert Redford
(23:06):
.
Kerry (23:06):
Mia Farrow Bruce.
Chrisy (23:08):
Dern and Sam Waterston.
Kerry (23:11):
I like that one.
But I will tell you, the eyething on the billboard was
always creepy.
In the movie the what?
The eye on the billboard?
Chrisy (23:18):
Where is there a?
Kerry (23:18):
billboard In the Great Gatsby when they're driving and
there's the eye watching.
I don't remember this.
Am I getting my movies mixed upagain?
I think there's a when they'redriving crazy down the road and
there's the billboard.
I'm sure I got it.
Chrisy (23:32):
Well, I can't say you're .
I'm not going to dispute you,but obviously that didn't make
an impression on me.
Okay, well, but anyhow, I justI have not, you're not a fan.
I can't relate to this filthyrich guy who's just like, hangs
out in his house and hides andthen he has this party.
And then Pete, I'm guessinghere, he's at the party and
(23:53):
everybody's like this is just aflipping killer party.
It was who threw it, the Gatsby.
Well, where is he?
I don't know who the hell he is.
Isn't that what it was?
The basis was, they didn't evenknow this.
He was sort of creepy, sulkingaround at the party, going hey,
this is a great party, right,whose party is?
I don't know the guy's awesome.
Look at the party you'reblowing out.
What do you?
(24:13):
You're giving me a look ofdisgust, nicholas.
I just it was written, you know, f scott fitzgerald's in that
the jazz age it was.
Kerry (24:21):
It was what the time was like then.
Chrisy (24:23):
That's what it was about it's not that everybody was
rich, like jay gatsby back then,but yeah, let's talk about
those poor bastards.
Oh, should we go?
Go into the other?
Oh, I forgot.
The grapes are wrath, althoughthat's not the jazz age.
Kerry (24:36):
That would be the great depression you know you have
there's, I thought of one that'snot the Jazz Age.
That would be the GreatDepression.
You know, I thought of onethat's not on your list Of.
Chrisy (24:41):
Mice and Men.
Yeah, that's got so many layersto it and it's just too
upsetting for me.
I didn't even want to talkabout that.
I'm sorry.
Kerry (24:55):
You couldn't even say the name.
Well, I like that one too.
I can't even talk about that,let's move on to your big one,
the one that you were like ooh,real piece of crap, in my
opinion, oh God.
Chrisy (25:10):
And I had to ask Nick what the name of it was, because
I kept saying it's that bookPiggy?
It's a book called Piggy, right, isn't that the name of the
book Piggy?
That's what they call the poorheavy.
I know, but that wasn't thename of the book.
No, it was lord of the flieslord of the flies right the
flipping they this is what Iwish we were doing video to see
(25:34):
chrissy right now the kid's name, I think they gave him the name
and it wasn't his name, andthey called him Piggy.
And this is just a story, abook written about bullying the
weak one.
It is terrible.
These kids get stranded on anisland.
They end up eating him.
Kerry (25:55):
And this is where we've gone back before.
Oh, I forgot about that part.
It's terrible.
Chrisy (26:13):
It's a horrible book.
So, but this goes back to whatwe talked about before about
these things.
That really good point.
Don't you think the better wayof approaching how to present
these works of literature tostudents would be and maybe they
do that now to some extent ifthey're reading any of this crap
still in school, I don't knowbut to give it an opportunity to
(26:36):
open conversation about howthis makes you feel Right, and
who I mean.
How do you think it made theother person feel and how can
you go forth after reading thisto be a better person, right,
like?
Kerry (26:49):
they made us do after that movie, we had to talk about
it.
I don't remember talking aboutthis kind of stuff.
It was just here's the thing,an essay.
Move on next week, anothertraumatizing book, yeah, yeah
yeah, it's horrible, it'shorrible.
Chrisy (27:03):
Yeah, I don't uh anybody have.
I guess I should ask mydaughter, but what are they
making her?
Read these days.
I don't know.
Do we know, do you?
Kerry (27:11):
know if not.
Well, she's going into the.
She's going into the 10th graderight 11th, 11th, oh, she's in
11th.
Chrisy (27:16):
Well, she read To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, oh.
Kerry (27:20):
I love that one.
Chrisy (27:24):
You guys did it, you brought it.
Kerry (27:26):
I wasn't going to, your husband did.
Is that a?
Chrisy (27:30):
good book.
Kerry (27:31):
Yes, I think it's a good book.
Chrisy (27:33):
Yes, I'm not going to dispute that piece of literature
.
Is it a great movie?
Kerry (27:39):
Yes.
Chrisy (27:39):
Yes, it's, a wonderful film yes gregory peck.
My daughter has an affectionfor this gentleman who died a
very long time ago.
Great actor robert duvall'sfilm debut robert duvall was it
really?
I believe so yes, very, veryimportant.
Yeah, but piece of literature,here's where I'm gonna get, come
at me, bro.
(28:00):
Here's where I'm gonna get introuble, prissy.
It is my opinion and I havenothing except that this is
something.
If you google it, it's not justme thinking this, this is a oh,
because if it's on the internet, you google it.
It's true it's not true, but Iwas making.
There's obviously Don't believeeverything you read on the
Internet.
(28:20):
There is no, I'm telling you upfront.
There is no fact, nothing basedin fact with this.
This is all speculation, but itjust seems strange to me where
a person can write and publishthis type of literature at the
highest level.
I mean, it's non-disputed, it'sa fantastic piece of literature
.
It made a fantastic piece ofliterature.
It made a fantastic film.
How is it that this is the onlycard you have in your deck?
Kerry (28:45):
One and done, great and done.
Chrisy (28:46):
I think she was supposedly trying to write
another novel before her death.
Am I correct in that?
And it might have actually beena sequel to what was going on?
Am I wrong there?
Did it have some connectionwith?
To Kill a mockingbird, I don'tknow, so she's.
She's written a few other.
She had written a few otherbooks, but she got writer's
(29:09):
block christy, which I I Itotally would not dispute that.
That is definitely a thing.
But then you think about whoher buddy was.
Who was her buddy?
Truman Capote?
I don't know who that is youever hear of anything called
Breakfast at Tiffany's Uh-huh orIn Cold Blood.
(29:32):
In Cold Blood was the big one.
She actually helped him withthe research on that.
She did Okay, and so I don'tdispute the woman educated, the
woman knowledgeable, the womannot actually helped him with the
research on that.
She did okay, and so I don'tdispute the woman educated, the
woman knowledgeable, the womannot dumb on it.
No, no, no, no.
But just to what level didtruman assist in this piece of
literature is just a question.
(29:53):
You have no facts, justwhatever.
Just me and many other peopleout there sort of brought this
topic, this possibility up.
I don't want to try and promoteany sort of conspiracy stuff,
although I guess this is sort ofa conspiracy thing.
Again, I'm telling you I havenothing to base this on except
ramblings of other people.
(30:14):
And then it made me kind ofthink well, you know, anything's
possible, I guess.
And then it made me kind ofthink well, you know anything's
possible, I guess.
Well, there was always thattheory that Truman Capote, as a
gift to her, wrote the book.
Is that what you're talking?
Kerry (30:26):
about yes.
Chrisy (30:26):
Here's another theory Courtney Love did not have any
talent.
Now, I'm not saying this is afact.
Boy, did you go from one, wow,but you switched gears.
Kerry (30:39):
She did is a fact.
Boy, did you go?
Chrisy (30:40):
from wow, but she switched gears.
She did.
Courtney lives in a band calledhole and some of their stuff
was very good.
I like hole, I like the music.
We're a product of that timeperiod, the 90s I have no idea
what, what's court?
She was married to kurt cobain,the guy from nirvana, the lead
singer oh, okay it was a rumortoo.
Courtney's a victim of this,just like harper lee.
They said she had no talent.
(31:01):
And again, rumor, no base,facts base here.
But you mean songwriting,songwriting, writing talent.
No, she could sing.
Yeah, she was definitely apresence as a singer.
I'm not crapping on that, butit was always speculated whether
or not she was capable ofwriting to that level because
she was married to Kurt Cobain,who was a proven artist.
(31:23):
That way so Harper Lee andCourtney are both besties?
No well, I don't know, butthey're unfortunately victims to
the same speculation, and it isonly speculation and people
like to make up crap.
And yeah, once you, once you'refamous, come on you guys.
I don't want to hear it's sohard to be famous.
I guess it is.
I don't know, I'm not famous.
If you guys want to startmaking me famous we'll see how I
(31:46):
can break down.
I'm open to it, wow.
But yeah, I'm probably the onlyperson in the world who's ever
connected Harper Lee withCourtney.
Love my connection.
Kerry (32:02):
My six degrees of separation.
I was just talking to somebodyabout that six degrees of
separation.
Oh, we went to a graduation Ithink it was a graduation party
and I was talking about that andpeople had no clue what I was
talking about.
I'm like, really, that was likea big thing at raw anyways, but
it was cool to hear you saythat well, those six degrees of
kevin bacon.
Chrisy (32:14):
That's a fun game to play.
It is all right, I want.
Kerry (32:18):
All right, I want to be six degrees from Leo oh.
Chrisy (32:23):
We're too old for Leo.
I don't even know that he hangsout with people as friends
already.
You want to?
Kerry (32:31):
be six degrees from Gillian, gillian, isn't that?
Who that kid?
No, killian.
Chrisy (32:36):
Killian.
Kerry (32:39):
Not Gilligan.
Chrisy (32:43):
Killian, killian Killian , and that kid, no killy.
Killian killian, not killing it, not killing it.
Killian killian, and again, yes, I just think he's just a great
actor and he's just fun.
Kerry (32:50):
Do your, do your dna, you might find no, no, no well,
this was an interesting episode,although slightly traumatizing.
Chrisy (32:58):
And, I'm sure, traumatizing for the listeners.
Kerry (33:02):
They're like is it over?
Chrisy (33:03):
yet, please, no more.
We'll leave it at that, allright.
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Welcome to the Dysfunction Junkies podcast.
We may not have seen it all,but we've seen enough.
And now here are your hosts,chrisy and Kerry.
Kerry (00:20):
Hello Junkies, I'm Kerry and
Chrisy (00:23):
I'm Chrisy.
Kerry (00:24):
Welcome to our show today .
Today's show is all aboutChrissy .
.
.
go.
Chrisy (00:31):
Kerry first initially said didn't we already cover
some of this?
Because we did, If you go backand listen.
We did do an episode abouttraumatic TV movies and shows.
That sort of stuck with mespecifically because I was
sitting in front of thetelevision so much.
But this episode is about stuffthat our educators chose to
(00:56):
traumatize us with meaning somecrazy educational movie in
school and those lovely booksthat we read in school.
Kerry (01:07):
I think some of these books.
They might be banned now,aren't they?
Chrisy (01:11):
Are they?
Kerry (01:11):
really, I don't know.
I feel like they might be and Ifeel like some of these shows,
like I could see where todaythey'd be, like you ain't
showing our kids that I don'tknow.
Well, we'll let listenersdecide after they hear today's
episode.
Chrisy (01:25):
These are now when I brought this first thing up that
we, I was exposed to and wewent to a Catholic high school
and we had a class our sophomoreyear, because when you go to a
Catholic high school, you arerequired to take religion.
Yes, that's not pushed on us,that's just the understanding.
Kerry (01:42):
And they talk about, they teach about other religions.
Chrisy (01:45):
It's not just about catholic they go through a lot
of different religions andexplain what different religions
and so yes, I never got thefeeling from any of our religion
courses that it was promotingcatholicism without recognizing
that there are other people andother beliefs.
Kerry (02:02):
So we.
Chrisy (02:03):
I think they really did a good job making sure that we
were open minded.
Kerry (02:07):
Well-rounded.
Yes, we had options.
Chrisy (02:09):
Yes, yes, so it was never about saying this religion
is good and that's bad, so, butthey now what I was going to
ask you, though do you rememberseeing this?
Because I feel like you don'treally remember it.
I don't really remember it?
Kerry (02:22):
I don't really remember it.
I wonder if you were absentthat day, although I generally
don't think you were ever reallyabsent.
I really wasn't absent much,but I was sometimes pulled out
of classes, like, for instance,I did that one class where we,
for our religion credits, wewent out to the community and we
served at places.
Chrisy (02:40):
Oh, okay.
Kerry (02:41):
So I would be gone for like like two periods because we
would go to a nursing home andwe would talk to the people and
visit with the people, or wewent to a preschool and we
helped with the kids, or we wentto Easterseals and help with
the Alzheimer patients.
So I feel like this class wasthe class that you were in, but
I was in one of the otherprograms doing service projects
(03:03):
or something, but this almostsounds like the morality class.
Chrisy (03:06):
It was the morality, Was the morality class which I did
take morality.
Kerry (03:09):
But I don't.
Maybe I was.
Maybe this is the day I wasreading in the doctor's office
in pain, the one day I missedschool and you know I don't want
to think about that for you atall.
Chrisy (03:19):
Well, I am fascinated for a future episode we need to
talk about I'm not going tospend too much time on it this
lovely thing you were chosen for, how come they didn't say hey,
chrissy, do you want to go andmake preschoolers feel better
about things?
They weren't looking at me forthat.
You didn't do the serviceproject.
You didn't do that.
I hate to say it.
Kerry (03:38):
I didn't even know leave for two or three quarters.
It was for one semester or Ithink it was one, I think it was
half the year and we wouldleave and we would go do service
projects and and we every likefour days a week we went to four
different places and then thelast day of the week we would
talk about whatever and we allwent to different places.
So there'd be like four of usand we would go there.
(04:01):
And so yeah, I know the nursinghome, the, the Alzheimer's
Center, the daycare and EasterSeals were the four places I
went to.
Chrisy (04:08):
Those are all very wonderful causes.
Yes, I'm just bummed.
Well, I'm not, I'm not, and notabout not going to the places,
right?
But if you would have asked me,they obviously knew what they
were doing when they chosepeople to do that.
Because I'm just going to andI'm being honest here, I've
probably been like eh move on.
Kerry (04:28):
They probably knew that you would have been smoking in
the car or putting your makeupon.
Chrisy (04:43):
Probably going to your nursing home and being like
sitting down with grandma hereand being like grandma.
Give me one of them, Newports,Applaud you and applaud that our
alma mater had a program likethat yes, awesome.
Kerry (04:50):
But I so I don't really remember this movie personally
watching it, but when you talkabout it I do kind of remember
it.
So I think I remember becausekids talked about it.
I don't well, I did not watchit Either.
Chrisy (05:01):
I think you were two types.
You talked about it because youwere horrified or you didn't
talk about it because you werehorrified.
Kerry (05:08):
Because you grew up either not talking about things,
because your family didn't talkabout things you were horrified
about, or you normalized it, soyou talked about it.
Chrisy (05:16):
Right, and just to tell you my own personal experience,
I didn't talk about this for along time.
Really, it was that traumatic.
Kerry (05:23):
It was, it is.
We need to tell about thisbecause we've been talking
around it.
Chrisy (05:28):
So tell them the premise of this movie.
This movie that they showed isimmorality.
My husband was kind enough tohelp research this, because I
didn't even want to Google it,because I don't want anything
like this popping up on my phone.
The movie we're pretty sure wascalled the and it was based off
of a book.
Am I correct?
(05:48):
Yes, To sacrifice his son, anallegory.
Okay, and Carrie, go Talk aboutthe religion part of this.
My husband touched on it, butI'm going to leave it.
You seem to have a good handle.
Kerry (06:00):
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but can you just do
a quick touch on what you weresaying?
Yes, so, when DJ Nick wasexplaining about this movie, it
goes back to the Bible Genesisstory of Abraham and God asking
Abraham to kill his only son.
And so Abraham, you know, hasto make this decision.
Does he kill his only son?
And or, you know, for his loveof God?
(06:20):
And so he takes his son up tothe mountain, and he was, you
know, going to as much as it waskilling him to kill his son.
He was going to do that to showGod his obedience and devotion.
And at the last minute, theangels stop him and say you know
, don't kill your son, youclearly show your dedication to
God.
And at that moment a ram wastangled in the bush, so he
suddenly had something else tooffer as a sacrifice to god.
Chrisy (06:43):
So, oh my god again, this is what you say.
It's horrible enough to thinkabout.
You're gonna.
You've been asked to do this toyour child.
I know but then this poor thebrain, wasn't it got stuck?
It was collateral damage but,uh, you know what I'm gonna
focus on this story?
Focus on the story, okay, focuson the story, okay, focus, real
quick.
This is what it was about.
(07:04):
Yes, so it opens.
And remember this is like themid to late 70s, yeah, so.
Kerry (07:10):
That the movie was made.
That the movie was made.
We saw it in the late 80s.
Chrisy (07:14):
Yeah, in, yeah Well, yeah, no, late 80s, you're right
, 88.
So it was like present day typething for when it was filmed
and you see a family in akitchen Mother mother is
pregnant, father and a littleboy at the table, probably maybe
two years old, three years old,and it's very nice opening.
(07:35):
They're having breakfast, dad'sgetting ready to go to work.
You know, mom makes breakfastfor everybody.
They have a quick sit down andthen dad leaves to go to work.
So we see dad go off to work.
They have a quick sit down andthen dad leaves to go to work.
So we see dad go off to workand soon we realize that dad's
job is.
Kerry (07:53):
He works as a.
What is this job?
A conductor, a bridge?
Chrisy (07:55):
operator, Bridge operator for the train to cross
over this very large gully.
So he's at work and we hear atrain coming.
(08:16):
This is where it gets badpeople.
And okay, where is this going?
Well, then we see a littlefigure walking along the tracks
and soon we realize it's thisman's little boy.
And now the decision has to bemade Do you sacrifice your child
to save all the people on thetrain?
(08:37):
The man's decision is hesacrifices his son.
That's horrible and we have towatch the pain on this man's
face after he makes thatdecision.
I'm glad I didn't watch.
I'm glad I didn't have yourclass but you, you had to have
it, but you, just like I said,you were lucky enough to maybe
get pulled and go to do somelovely, maybe public service you
(09:00):
know, or maybe, maybe I didwatch it and I was so
traumatized I've blocked it.
I couldn't.
Maybe it's a repressed memoryand, like I said, I didn't talk
about this for years.
just recently and so after wewatched the movie, we were
tasked with coming together as aclass and discussing, basically
justifying why this man madethat decision, and why, it was
(09:23):
the right decision, justifyingwhy this man made that decision
and why it was the rightdecision.
And so some people said well,his wife was pregnant, so he was
going to have another child, orthe fact that it was about
saving hundreds of lives overone life Wow, it's a dark place
to go.
And when you're 16 years old,it was just hard place to go.
(09:46):
And when you're 16 years old,that's horrible.
It was just hard.
So I guess I would have to sayI'm not exactly sure it made me
feel closer to God or made mequestion my moral decisions any
better or worse.
I'm not exactly sure back thenwhat the educational decision
was to have this as part of yourclass.
Kerry (10:02):
I wonder if our parents had to sign something that we
were.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
We didn't do that back then.
Chrisy (10:08):
I don't think did they.
I don't know, I mean ourparents weren't really involved
anymore and I don't think backthen, just the thought process
wasn't anything that they felt.
You were going to school, yeah,and you were learning and
that's what you were expected todo, so so that is very
traumatic it was traumatizing,that was traumatizing.
So the other thing was Iremember doing it seemed like
(10:30):
10th grade was just really hardon us, really, because we read,
not that this was hard, this isa book that is important to
history and everything else.
And again, if I say it wrong,because I've heard people say it
two different ways Hiroshima orHiroshima.
Kerry (10:46):
I'm sorry.
Chrisy (10:47):
We read that yes, I remember that, yeah, and
remember this is the late 80s,so we were still in the cold.
This was before the wall camedown and everything, so we were
still fairly preoccupied withthe possibility of a cold war or
nuclear war?
Kerry (11:03):
with Russia.
Chrisy (11:04):
And so that was a little terrifying.
Yes, just reliving that part ofhistory, but then they had to
double down on the trauma.
You just read this book aboutsomething that really happened,
but yet let's just totally sendit home now.
Kerry (11:21):
Mess these kids up.
Chrisy (11:22):
We watched a movie called Testament.
I know you thought it was.
What movie did you think theymade us?
Kerry (11:28):
watch the Day After.
Chrisy (11:29):
Which is another horrible, horrifying movie, but
I didn't see that.
I saw this movie.
Kerry (11:34):
Oh, so the movie I'm thinking the Day After is not
the same movie as Testament.
Chrisy (11:38):
No, but it's similar storylines, it's about a nuclear
war happening Right Probably instory.
Well, it's about a nuclear warhappening right, probably in the
80s or early 90s, but this wasthis movie.
Testament was from the 83 youtold me 83.
We were seeing it five yearsafter it was made in english
class.
So okay, it's basically anuclear bomb is detonated in the
(11:58):
united states.
I think we basically aredealing with uh, california, in
moment.
And basically all you do iswatch these people suffer and
die.
Kerry (12:09):
Is this where the mother had the little boy in the sink
and he's just hemorrhaging blood?
Yes, okay, see I always.
God, that was traumatizing thatwas testament, that was
testament and she could donothing to save him, nothing to
save him.
Chrisy (12:22):
Yes, he from the radiation?
Kerry (12:24):
Yes, the radiation.
Okay, see, in my mind I thoughtthe movie was called Day After
and so that's okay, but it wastestament.
Chrisy (12:31):
But to give you credit, the Day After is a movie that
deals with sort of the same idea.
Yeah, absolutely.
Kerry (12:36):
I remember that scene and now that we talk about this, I
think this is why I was alwaysterrified of a nuclear war.
Chrisy (12:42):
Why we were all terrified of it.
We were definitely terrified,but wow.
Kerry (12:48):
Yeah, oh, yeah, I will never forget that scene.
Yeah, with the mother and thechild in the sink.
Yes, yes, it was so much blood.
Chrisy (12:54):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I don't even know how to bringthis back to anything.
Oh my God.
Okay, so we're done with thehorrible movies.
Okay, let's get on to somethingthat I'm just going to shit all
over.
Kerry (13:07):
Okay, but wait a minute Before we move on to horrible
movies or other things.
Let's finish the horriblemovies.
So I need to take a breath herebecause I know I've given you
trauma because you forgot I did.
See, this is what I was saying.
Repressed memories.
But God, no wonder why.
No wonder why we're dysfunctionjunkies.
Chrisy (13:26):
Chrissy, I know, I know and I bet you Do, kids Are your
kids having to watch this shitin school now, do they?
Do this?
No, not that I know of.
Kerry (13:36):
Was this some kind of special hell that we had to go?
Chrisy (13:38):
through.
But if I don't know, I mightfind out in 15, 20 years from
now, when my daughter, my oldest, graduates.
Because I didn't tell myparents about it.
In fact, I don't think I evershared this with my parents
Because they would have beenlike well, of course, it's just
normal, don't worry about it,it's a movie.
Did they give you popcorn?
Kerry (13:54):
I'm going to have to text your daughter and say I don't
know if you want to talk aboutthis to your mom, but you can
talk about me about this, butare they?
Chrisy (14:01):
making you watch this in school?
I don't think so.
I'm worried for her.
I I think we've evolved alittle bit and I don't.
Yeah, you have a goodrelationship you guys talk about
well, no, I mean as, hopefully,as a school system and what I
hope as far as educators are outthere.
What is the value in doing thisto students?
(14:22):
I don't know, but it screwed usup.
Well, it is.
It's terrifying.
I'm not exactly.
I would love to pick the brainof the.
First of all, the moralityclass was taught by a sister.
I'm not going to say her namebecause I don't have permission
to, but she was a nun, of course, and taught religion there, and
other was an English class, andI religion there, and other was
(14:42):
an english class, and Iremember her name too.
Kerry (14:44):
I won't share it but she was an english teacher at our
high school.
I'm not saying that it's yeah,that one.
Okay, I'm mouthing theteacher's name because I'm like
I think I can't completely blamethem for their choices.
I have no idea because it wasprobably school curriculum the
curriculum, so they werefollowing the curriculum.
They probably showed this toprior they probably were in the
teacher's lounge tipping backshots and stuff going oh good
(15:04):
God, I got to teach that classand show that frickin movie
today.
Chrisy (15:07):
Yeah, and they did.
They sat in class.
Think of how many times theyhad to watch it.
And then they had to discuss itand hear people justifying
things.
Kerry (15:17):
And they taught the same class all day.
Yeah, yeah, and they taught thesame class all day.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much yeah.
So they were teaching this liketo eight different classes, I
bet.
Chrisy (15:26):
If they want to come on to our podcast and talk about
their trauma and dysfunction.
Kerry (15:31):
Yeah, I think they should .
I wonder if that teacher'sstill alive.
Chrisy (15:34):
I think they both are.
I think so All right.
Kerry (15:37):
We need to find this out.
I'm really troubled by this andI saw the show notes and you
had texted me the idea of thisand I was like, yeah, okay, I
hadn't really given it muchthought.
Yeah, no, it's bad.
Chrisy (15:48):
What were you going to say?
So if people do want to watchthose, they're both free on
YouTube.
Kerry (15:52):
Of course they are.
Of course they are.
Don't watch it please everyone.
I am trying to spare youtorment.
I was while you were talking.
Chrisy (16:07):
I was.
I Googled it on my phone.
Kerry (16:08):
Don't do it, because now you're going to get horrible
things, and I accidentally hitthe record button, so let's see
oh double.
Chrisy (16:12):
That person doesn't get that text message, they'll be
like well, so now let's talkabout that.
Now we can move on.
Yes, and I hope this will be alittle bit more lighthearted.
I think it will be, because wedefinitely need to brighten it
up a little bit.
Kerry (16:27):
Yeah, looking at the list here, the one for sure.
Oh yeah, that's going tolighten it up.
Chrisy (16:32):
Well, which one are you looking?
Kerry (16:33):
at the last one.
Chrisy (16:35):
Oh, oh that.
Oh, wait till we get to that.
Oh my God, I couldn't evenremember the damn name of it.
We'll get to that in a second.
So books we read in high schoolyes, I know, you had to take
some English courses in college.
Everybody had.
Kerry (16:48):
Yes To some extent.
Chrisy (16:50):
Well, I think you had to at least take one, depending on
what you tested.
Kerry (16:52):
I was just going to say I took one.
I didn't a major in that, so Iliterally think I took one class
in English.
Chrisy (17:00):
Right, I think everybody was required to take the one
literature course.
Oh, you had to take two, unlessyou tested out of it, which
maybe she did.
Kerry (17:07):
Well, because you know why I took college prep classes
in high school.
So that might be why I only hadto take one.
Chrisy (17:12):
Yeah, or you could have taken a lot of the English
courses were offered because youhad to take so many electives
right, and I think I also took alike a speech presentation
class.
In fact, that same englishteacher taught me that in
college because she also taughtat the college and I didn't know
that yeah, I think, yeah, itwas like a speech.
Kerry (17:30):
It wasn't a debate class, but it was a speech and public
speaking class.
Oh, okay, and and I think thatwas my.
I feel like that was my english, that's what I, that was my
only english thing I had to take, okay so well, what I'm trying
to separate is because I didactually graduate with a degree
in english literature so I reada lot of books.
Chrisy (17:49):
Yes, I don't read anymore and horrible, I'm sorry.
Literature is very importantand I have total respect and
appreciation for literature.
I'm just lazy, I am very lazy.
Kerry (17:59):
you're good at YouTube and you get it.
Chrisy (18:01):
You get your literature through movies and I am a
product of now and I do like myinformation quick and probably
in about a 20 to 30 minute spot,just like our podcast.
Yes, we want you to getentertainment quickly and move
on to our next episode, episode.
So so, chrissy, go.
These books traumatized me inhigh school.
(18:23):
I don't really rememberanything in college.
Well, there was one book I'll.
Maybe I'll talk about thatlater, but first we want to deal
with these books we had to readin high school.
Yeah, all right, what's upfirst here?
Let me see, let me see, let mesee.
Okay, all right, here's.
This is an awful book andliterature.
People are going to come at me,bro.
Come at me, bro, try to justifythis one.
Steinbeck fishing.
(18:44):
Anybody out there fish?
I'm sure you do.
You went fishing.
You caught your dad.
Kerry (18:51):
I remember that that was the old man on the lake, not the
old man in the sea.
Chrisy (18:56):
Okay, so Carrie just introduced the name of the book
Old man and the Sea.
Nothing that is more torture.
(19:16):
And then they made a movie outof this.
Kerry (19:19):
I remember the book and I actually remember liking it,
but I could not tell you whatthe plot and the story was at
all.
I just remember I liked itCarrie.
What's the?
Chrisy (19:30):
plot A flippin' old man on the sea fishing, but he never
catches anything.
What is the plot of this thing?
Kerry (19:38):
I'm sorry.
Chrisy (19:39):
This is a piece of shit.
Kerry (19:40):
This isn't Moby Dick, is it no, no.
Chrisy (19:43):
No, At least that there's a challenge.
Is this guy trying to catch aflipping?
What do you call those fishthat have the big horn coming
out of their face?
Oh, a marlin.
Kerry (19:53):
A marlin.
I think it's a marlin, a marlin.
Chrisy (19:55):
Is that like the California state?
Kerry (19:56):
fish.
No, I think that's the Floridalogo.
Chrisy (20:02):
Oh, I'm thinking of somebody.
Kerry (20:03):
It's a baseball team the Florida Marlins.
Chrisy (20:07):
Again, people, I apologize, I don't fish, I'm not
a nature person.
I really don't care for reading.
I remember that, so just thebook awful, awful Spencer Tracy.
I know that everybody respectshim as an actor.
Kerry (20:20):
Well, I don't know Anybody out there respect.
Chrisy (20:22):
Spencer Tracy as an actor.
I know it gets a lot of hubla.
I'm not even going to sit hereand name Spencer Tracy movies,
but he was in that.
Okay, I'm pretty sure he wasthe actor in the film version of
it.
Kerry (20:33):
Now it's coming back to me Now I kind of remember yeah
you're right, it was really justbad.
Chrisy (20:39):
I'm sorry.
Kerry (20:40):
I remember it didn't bother me.
Chrisy (20:42):
Let's just say that Okay , I'm having no anxiety and deep
breathing about this, as I didtowards the movie.
The only anxiety I have is thatit just never went anywhere.
Yeah, it was a little monotonousand I think that anybody in
literature, whenever this waswritten, I don't know for sure,
I'm guessing 30s, 40s, maybethat generation of new writers
(21:03):
that came up in like the 50s and60s, like Kerouac and, oh,
Ginsburg the poet, I don't knowthat.
They really I can't speak forthem, but I'm thinking that
their type of writing style andliterature was basically in
opposition of what Steinbeck wasdoing at this time period.
If you want to hear any sort of, You're speaking a language I
(21:25):
have no idea you could literallybe speaking French right now.
Kerry (21:29):
Well, actually, no, I've been actually taking French
classes.
Let's say Chinese.
You could be speaking Chinese.
I know no Chinese, so whateveryou're saying here is like I'm
sorry.
Chrisy (21:37):
Sorry, chrissy, that you're saying here is like I'm
sorry, sorry, chrissy, I justthat's maybe the extent of my
literature knowledge.
I can maybe comment on that,but I am not trying to speak for
jack kerouac or alan ginsburgand how they felt about stein
back right, okay I'm getting sofrustrated, I'm losing control
of his name.
I'm just thinking because theirliterature style was so
different compared to this.
Kerry (21:58):
Yeah, okay, what's your?
Chrisy (21:58):
next movie the Great Gatsby.
Kerry (22:01):
I love the Great.
Chrisy (22:02):
Gatsby.
They made two movies out ofthis piece of crap I like it
who's?
The author of this F ScottFitzgerald.
F Fitzgerald Fitzgerald.
Yeah, I know, I know this name.
He's written something elseimportant, oh okay, oh, okay,
you're gonna look it up.
I thought maybe somebody knewthat offhand.
Okay, f scott fitzgerald, Iguess yeah shout out your book
(22:25):
and the movies are crap and thisis like something we can't even
.
Kerry (22:29):
But it got even better when it had.
Oh, you talked about him withthe meme.
Who is it with the meme?
Chrisy (22:34):
well, you because they did another version, a newer
version le Leo.
Dicaprio and Tobey Maguire, ldcand.
Kerry (22:43):
I don't know who the girl was in that.
I love Leo DiCaprio.
Chrisy (22:45):
Well, I like him too very much.
Well, in one movie, how can younot A couple movies?
I like him, Quentin Tarantinomovies.
He made two with Quentin andthose are both wonderful, but
and I didn't see the one withLeo and Toby in it- Because, I
had to bear witness to the onefrom the 70s with Robert Redford
(23:06):
.
Kerry (23:06):
Mia Farrow Bruce.
Chrisy (23:08):
Dern and Sam Waterston.
Kerry (23:11):
I like that one.
But I will tell you, the eyething on the billboard was
always creepy.
In the movie the what?
The eye on the billboard?
Chrisy (23:18):
Where is there a?
Kerry (23:18):
billboard In the Great Gatsby when they're driving and
there's the eye watching.
I don't remember this.
Am I getting my movies mixed upagain?
I think there's a when they'redriving crazy down the road and
there's the billboard.
I'm sure I got it.
Chrisy (23:32):
Well, I can't say you're .
I'm not going to dispute you,but obviously that didn't make
an impression on me.
Okay, well, but anyhow, I justI have not, you're not a fan.
I can't relate to this filthyrich guy who's just like, hangs
out in his house and hides andthen he has this party.
And then Pete, I'm guessinghere, he's at the party and
(23:53):
everybody's like this is just aflipping killer party.
It was who threw it, the Gatsby.
Well, where is he?
I don't know who the hell he is.
Isn't that what it was?
The basis was, they didn't evenknow this.
He was sort of creepy, sulkingaround at the party, going hey,
this is a great party, right,whose party is?
I don't know the guy's awesome.
Look at the party you'reblowing out.
What do you?
(24:13):
You're giving me a look ofdisgust, nicholas.
I just it was written, you know, f scott fitzgerald's in that
the jazz age it was.
Kerry (24:21):
It was what the time was like then.
Chrisy (24:23):
That's what it was about it's not that everybody was
rich, like jay gatsby back then,but yeah, let's talk about
those poor bastards.
Oh, should we go?
Go into the other?
Oh, I forgot.
The grapes are wrath, althoughthat's not the jazz age.
Kerry (24:36):
That would be the great depression you know you have
there's, I thought of one that'snot the Jazz Age.
That would be the GreatDepression.
You know, I thought of onethat's not on your list Of.
Chrisy (24:41):
Mice and Men.
Yeah, that's got so many layersto it and it's just too
upsetting for me.
I didn't even want to talkabout that.
I'm sorry.
Kerry (24:55):
You couldn't even say the name.
Well, I like that one too.
I can't even talk about that,let's move on to your big one,
the one that you were like ooh,real piece of crap, in my
opinion, oh God.
Chrisy (25:10):
And I had to ask Nick what the name of it was, because
I kept saying it's that bookPiggy?
It's a book called Piggy, right, isn't that the name of the
book Piggy?
That's what they call the poorheavy.
I know, but that wasn't thename of the book.
No, it was lord of the flieslord of the flies right the
flipping they this is what Iwish we were doing video to see
(25:34):
chrissy right now the kid's name, I think they gave him the name
and it wasn't his name, andthey called him Piggy.
And this is just a story, abook written about bullying the
weak one.
It is terrible.
These kids get stranded on anisland.
They end up eating him.
Kerry (25:55):
And this is where we've gone back before.
Oh, I forgot about that part.
It's terrible.
Chrisy (26:13):
It's a horrible book.
So, but this goes back to whatwe talked about before about
these things.
That really good point.
Don't you think the better wayof approaching how to present
these works of literature tostudents would be and maybe they
do that now to some extent ifthey're reading any of this crap
still in school, I don't knowbut to give it an opportunity to
(26:36):
open conversation about howthis makes you feel Right, and
who I mean.
How do you think it made theother person feel and how can
you go forth after reading thisto be a better person, right,
like?
Kerry (26:49):
they made us do after that movie, we had to talk about
it.
I don't remember talking aboutthis kind of stuff.
It was just here's the thing,an essay.
Move on next week, anothertraumatizing book, yeah, yeah
yeah, it's horrible, it'shorrible.
Chrisy (27:03):
Yeah, I don't uh anybody have.
I guess I should ask mydaughter, but what are they
making her?
Read these days.
I don't know.
Do we know, do you?
Kerry (27:11):
know if not.
Well, she's going into the.
She's going into the 10th graderight 11th, 11th, oh, she's in
11th.
Chrisy (27:16):
Well, she read To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, oh.
Kerry (27:20):
I love that one.
Chrisy (27:24):
You guys did it, you brought it.
Kerry (27:26):
I wasn't going to, your husband did.
Is that a?
Chrisy (27:30):
good book.
Kerry (27:31):
Yes, I think it's a good book.
Chrisy (27:33):
Yes, I'm not going to dispute that piece of literature
.
Is it a great movie?
Kerry (27:39):
Yes.
Chrisy (27:39):
Yes, it's, a wonderful film yes gregory peck.
My daughter has an affectionfor this gentleman who died a
very long time ago.
Great actor robert duvall'sfilm debut robert duvall was it
really?
I believe so yes, very, veryimportant.
Yeah, but piece of literature,here's where I'm gonna get, come
at me, bro.
(28:00):
Here's where I'm gonna get introuble, prissy.
It is my opinion and I havenothing except that this is
something.
If you google it, it's not justme thinking this, this is a oh,
because if it's on the internet, you google it.
It's true it's not true, but Iwas making.
There's obviously Don't believeeverything you read on the
Internet.
(28:20):
There is no, I'm telling you upfront.
There is no fact, nothing basedin fact with this.
This is all speculation, but itjust seems strange to me where
a person can write and publishthis type of literature at the
highest level.
I mean, it's non-disputed, it'sa fantastic piece of literature
.
It made a fantastic piece ofliterature.
It made a fantastic film.
How is it that this is the onlycard you have in your deck?
Kerry (28:45):
One and done, great and done.
Chrisy (28:46):
I think she was supposedly trying to write
another novel before her death.
Am I correct in that?
And it might have actually beena sequel to what was going on?
Am I wrong there?
Did it have some connectionwith?
To Kill a mockingbird, I don'tknow, so she's.
She's written a few other.
She had written a few otherbooks, but she got writer's
(29:09):
block christy, which I I Itotally would not dispute that.
That is definitely a thing.
But then you think about whoher buddy was.
Who was her buddy?
Truman Capote?
I don't know who that is youever hear of anything called
Breakfast at Tiffany's Uh-huh orIn Cold Blood.
(29:32):
In Cold Blood was the big one.
She actually helped him withthe research on that.
She did Okay, and so I don'tdispute the woman educated, the
woman knowledgeable, the womannot actually helped him with the
research on that.
She did okay, and so I don'tdispute the woman educated, the
woman knowledgeable, the womannot dumb on it.
No, no, no, no.
But just to what level didtruman assist in this piece of
literature is just a question.
(29:53):
You have no facts, justwhatever.
Just me and many other peopleout there sort of brought this
topic, this possibility up.
I don't want to try and promoteany sort of conspiracy stuff,
although I guess this is sort ofa conspiracy thing.
Again, I'm telling you I havenothing to base this on except
ramblings of other people.
(30:14):
And then it made me kind ofthink well, you know, anything's
possible, I guess.
And then it made me kind ofthink well, you know anything's
possible, I guess.
Well, there was always thattheory that Truman Capote, as a
gift to her, wrote the book.
Is that what you're talking?
Kerry (30:26):
about yes.
Chrisy (30:26):
Here's another theory Courtney Love did not have any
talent.
Now, I'm not saying this is afact.
Boy, did you go from one, wow,but you switched gears.
Kerry (30:39):
She did is a fact.
Boy, did you go?
Chrisy (30:40):
from wow, but she switched gears.
She did.
Courtney lives in a band calledhole and some of their stuff
was very good.
I like hole, I like the music.
We're a product of that timeperiod, the 90s I have no idea
what, what's court?
She was married to kurt cobain,the guy from nirvana, the lead
singer oh, okay it was a rumortoo.
Courtney's a victim of this,just like harper lee.
They said she had no talent.
(31:01):
And again, rumor, no base,facts base here.
But you mean songwriting,songwriting, writing talent.
No, she could sing.
Yeah, she was definitely apresence as a singer.
I'm not crapping on that, butit was always speculated whether
or not she was capable ofwriting to that level because
she was married to Kurt Cobain,who was a proven artist.
(31:23):
That way so Harper Lee andCourtney are both besties?
No well, I don't know, butthey're unfortunately victims to
the same speculation, and it isonly speculation and people
like to make up crap.
And yeah, once you, once you'refamous, come on you guys.
I don't want to hear it's sohard to be famous.
I guess it is.
I don't know, I'm not famous.
If you guys want to startmaking me famous we'll see how I
(31:46):
can break down.
I'm open to it, wow.
But yeah, I'm probably the onlyperson in the world who's ever
connected Harper Lee withCourtney.
Love my connection.
Kerry (32:02):
My six degrees of separation.
I was just talking to somebodyabout that six degrees of
separation.
Oh, we went to a graduation Ithink it was a graduation party
and I was talking about that andpeople had no clue what I was
talking about.
I'm like, really, that was likea big thing at raw anyways, but
it was cool to hear you saythat well, those six degrees of
kevin bacon.
Chrisy (32:14):
That's a fun game to play.
It is all right, I want.
Kerry (32:18):
All right, I want to be six degrees from Leo oh.
Chrisy (32:23):
We're too old for Leo.
I don't even know that he hangsout with people as friends
already.
You want to?
Kerry (32:31):
be six degrees from Gillian, gillian, isn't that?
Who that kid?
No, killian.
Chrisy (32:36):
Killian.
Kerry (32:39):
Not Gilligan.
Chrisy (32:43):
Killian, killian Killian , and that kid, no killy.
Killian killian, not killing it, not killing it.
Killian killian, and again, yes, I just think he's just a great
actor and he's just fun.
Kerry (32:50):
Do your, do your dna, you might find no, no, no well,
this was an interesting episode,although slightly traumatizing.
Chrisy (32:58):
And, I'm sure, traumatizing for the listeners.
Kerry (33:02):
They're like is it over?
Chrisy (33:03):
yet, please, no more.
We'll leave it at that, allright.
Kerry (33:08):
Well, hey, thanks for joining us in this very
interesting topic today, but wewant your feedback, so please
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(33:28):
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