Destiny: Dr. Dylan Petkus, The Sleep Apnea Solution

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Destiny.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
MM. Is that how you sound at night? Does your girlfriend,
your wife, your partner complain that you snore? Do you

(00:45):
have sleep abnea where you're spending part of the evening
when not able to breathe? Do you have a C
pop machine? Do you wear an appliance to stem off
sleep abnea? This is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and
this week we are discussing sleep apnea, this chronic problem

(01:07):
that is affecting, or should I say afflicting, tens of
millions of Americans. I myself have been diagnosed with moderate
sleep apnea. And when you are dealing with the medical establishment,
most notably allopathy, they want you to get hooked up

(01:29):
to a seapap machine. They want you to to invest
a probably close to one thousand dollars for one of
those machines. And I did it. I was afraid. I
was shaken when I had my heart attack in twenty
twenty two, and I did everything they said to me

(01:51):
until I figured out it's a lot of scare tactics.
Their remedies don't work, and there are holistic methods to solving.
In fact, in many cases eliminating sleep apnea. Now you're
gonna hear from our guest today who is a medical doctor,

(02:11):
that the typical remedies or solutions from an alpathic point
of view are pretty severe. And when I say severe,
when you're having air forced into your lungs, there's a
lot of problems that can arise from that. In fact,
there's a recent settlement from a company that makes these

(02:37):
seapap machines, these sleep apnea machines. They were sued for
over a billion dollars because people were getting up a
respiratory disease, they were having fungus growths because of the
forced air, and in many extreme cases, people were getting
cancer because this impure, pready impure air was forcing into

(03:02):
their lungs and people are getting lung cancer. In fact,
this is still going on today, and I have stopped
using the spat machine. I use breathing techniques that you
hear about today. I've uped my minerals and nutrients, which
is a huge issue when you have sleep deprivation, which

(03:23):
is lack of sleep, and if you're like me and
most people, if you don't get a good quality sleep
every night, and for me, it's between six and seven hours.
It is a strain on the body. In fact, it's
so serious that if you're not paying attention to your sleep,
you can take years off your life. In other words,

(03:44):
you can age much quicker, you're more sceptible, you're more
susceptible to disease, to aches and pains, and it ages you.
In fact, we're going to learn today that if you
don't get regular sleep, it can take not a few years,
but close to a decade. You can die much earlier.
I think the bigger problem is that you're opened up

(04:06):
to a lot of different disease processes that are lurking,
and you know, so you need to get a good
night's sleep. But I have been looking for someone to
speak on sleep apnea when I started when I was
diagnosed back in twenty twenty two. And if you're like me,

(04:27):
you belong to a health medical establishment. I'm here in
northern California, so that's Kaiser Permanente, and they have sleep studies.
And when your doctor is suspicious of your health and
you're not sleeping well and perhaps you have a medical condition,
they will assign you a sleep specialist who will give

(04:52):
you a testing some equipment that you take home overnight.
In my case, is a device they put over your
finger and they strap somebody to your chest to band
your chest, and they test your breathing capacity, your heart rate,

(05:13):
how much you fidget, and so forth, and they can
tell if you have sleep apnea. And so that's how
they determine that I had moderate sleep apnea. That's a
while ago. I need to get tested again. But this
is the medical science. This is what lifestyle of Americans
has developed. We need a quick fix. We don't want

(05:35):
to work on our health. We want to get a pill.
We want to get a machine that helps us breathe,
that helps us journey, that helps us defecate. And it's
not something you really want to do if you look
at it closely. And this is what the beauty of
today's guest is. If you look at the sleep apnea closely,

(05:56):
it's a direct result of modern living. Processed food, no
nutrients in the diet, no sunlight, circadian rhythms, all screwed
up alcohol or drugs, damaging your ability to go to
sleep naturally. I sleep like a log. I go to
bed at midnight every night. I get about seven to

(06:17):
seven thirty. I sleep like a log, you know, And
well the other thing is people don't get any exercise,
and that's huge, It's really, really, really big. So my
guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss, and I funny enough
I found him on TikTok and he was doing a

(06:39):
series of programs promoting his natural therapy and his book
is called Sleep Apnea Solutions, and that's the theme of
the program today is holistically adjusting our lifestyle so that
we can remove or eliminate use or eliminate sleep apnea.

(07:02):
So I think you're going to enjoy the program today.
I know I did. I really enjoyed it, so away
we go.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't imagine it's a first showing all things where
your doublin's up, put your mother's side, those lies and
pangles with a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Really excited about today's guest. I am one who suffers
from sleep apnea, and we're gonna learn all about sleep apnea.
And I discovered that there's over eighteen men and about
seven main women here in the United States to suffer
similar issues. And uh, you know, I've been doing the

(08:10):
seepap machine. I've done all kinds of weird remedies, but
nothing has really helped, and so I been looking for
somebody to speak on it. And of course here at
Destiny we're all about holistic treatment because uh, you know,
we're constantly dealing with the corporate medical model of allopathy.

(08:32):
And my guest today is doctor Dylan Petkiss and he
has I found Dylan on Whould you Believe the Internet TikTok,
and you know he is, you know, trained as a doctor,
and so he's dealing with this from a very interesting
perspective and we're gonna learn learn all about it. His

(08:56):
book is called Sleep Apnea Solution Less. I think it's
called less Snoring, less cpap just Sleep, which is a
fantastic title. And so we're gonna get the whole rundown
today from from Dylan. So Hey, Dylan, welcome to Destiny.

(09:16):
Great to have you on the program.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, obviously you wrote the book because you are
also a sleep apnea victim. Talk a little bit about
your journey from start to finish in terms of wanting
to find a solution.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Gotcha from the start, like when my parents met or
I mean how much time we got yeah, so yeah,
so back looking at the date thirteen or fourteen years.
It's been a while, all right. I was starting to

(09:57):
have I'm starting to drag, and I was like, am
I twenties at that time, so starting to drag just
like tired, et cetera. I was like, oh, maybe just stressed,
maybe just whatever. I just kept pushing through like a
lot of people do. And I know I'll kind of
shove men under the bus here that sometimes we kind
of wait on things or just kind of keep going.

(10:19):
So I was doing that, and then you just got
to a point where it's just like geez. I was
maybe waking up every sixty ninety minutes, heart beating a
little fast, always exhausted in the morning, like two, three,
four cups of coffee. Eventually graduated to caffeine pills because
I figured that'd be more efficient. God forbid, I actually
do something, but the problem just you know, take a

(10:40):
thousand milligrams caffeine, which I don't recommend anyone do in
case anyone only meant to listen to the first two minutes.
And then I went to the doctor, like God, primary care,
We're just like, I don't know, see the sleep specialist,
sleep specialists. You might have sleep apneah, do the sleep study,
get the all the schmuts over your head and all

(11:03):
over the place, and they kind of wrap you like
a mummy you see on the History Channel. And then
the nurses at Tech kind of just says sleep normal.
And then I imagine they laugh in their own head
when they leave you in the room and then came
back with moderate sleep apnea. And then the next time

(11:24):
is in the doctor's office because for some reason, you
need to wait eight weeks for a physician to tell
you have twenty five point seven on a piece of paper.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't get it either, but oh yeah, you can
do a CEPAP. And I was like, okay, maybe, and
then uh tried that out a couple times and I
was definitely the camp of like, uh, screw this. This
doesn't seem very attractive or effective, and they're kind of, well,
just stick with it. I'm this feels like this is

(11:55):
making things worse, and I just, you know, win in
my own journey. Well like took a step back, like, okay,
like why why is this happening? Because the classic phenotype
right of sleep APNA is not like mid twenty something
that is in okay shape, et cetera. It's usually like

(12:15):
you know, man started between fifteen and seventy, maybe a
little bit overweight. That was not me. So I had
to kind of understand like, okay, why is this going on?
And that led me to really discover, hey, this is
a lot more around the breathing part than it is
around just like an obstruction, which is that should feel

(12:38):
less profound than it is because I'm basically saying a
sleep breathing disorder, would you probably talk about breathing? Yeah,
And that's when I start to learn, like, what what
is what is the main issue with our breathing at night?
Because when we think about sleep APNA, everyone's mind is
like okay, like I stop breathing or I'm snoring, but

(13:00):
we never really understand what's going on. We are understanding
is typically just led by a doctor who they mean
well just to like, yeah, you just airway gets blocked
off at night, right, you know, sun goes up, sun
goes down. Can't do anything about that, Like it just
comes to a point where we don't understand why that's happening.

(13:21):
And when I look back in the research, like some
of the old, old research from well okay, I just
said old old, and I'm going to say, nineteen fifties,
So whoever's offended, don't be too offended. But that was
like some of the original research on it, and what
they found was when test participants, like if you made
them breathe faster at night, it would cause their airway

(13:43):
to be obstructed. Right, So this is counterintuitive to what
we are told in which is airways gets blocked off,
you know, tongue flops back, et cetera, and then that's
all you can do. It's a breathe event that then
triggers a collapse in the tissue, which just on face

(14:06):
value does make sense. You know, patients would sleep apnea.
They may stop breathing at night anywhere from five to
you know, forty times per hour. Right, that does not
and the grand majority of people that does not happen
during the daytime at all.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Let me stop you real quickly, Dylan. So, as a
medical researcher and a trained physician, obviously you understood that
the commercial medical side of things were like, our solution
is to see pap machine or you write about this
in your book. We can do a surgical procedure, or

(14:43):
we can do pretty much invasive programs, and we're not
into the holism holistic approach because that's just not our style.
So it sounds to me like you are like, I'm
not following your lead. Guy. I'm going to look at
this from a historical position. And as you're saying, and

(15:06):
you write about this in your book that in the
fifties and seventies they began looking at this. Do we
know if it goes back further than that? Is this
an industrial complex? A modern society problem of not enough
thought for and we'll talk about nutrition and exercise in

(15:28):
a minute, but is this is just part of a
sedentary lifestyle?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It partially is I think a lot of the I
guess modernization of things and now how humans have begin
to devolve is a huge, huge part of it. Yeah,
for sure, because I mean like a lot of these things,
like because I wasn't so contrariant until I was like

(15:55):
in it, which I think is a very common pattern
with like modern medicine. It's good to think on, but
then you feel the opposite when you're in it, like
oh yeah, that makes sense on paper, and then you're
like I don't know about that same thing there. So
that can be one contributing factor for sure. Because yes, nutrition, Yes,

(16:17):
different nutrients you have will come together because the big
link between those factors, right, your environment and your lifestyle,
how sanitary you are with breathing, The biggest one is
going to be through your mitochondria. All right, that's what
produces energy. And if anyone's like powerhouse with a cell,
awesome is that that's what produces CO two. So just

(16:41):
like your car produces exhaust and burning energy, your mindochondra
produced CO two by also burning energy in the form
of fuel, not diesel or premium, although I think some
people are trying to eat that nowadays. But beyond that,
CO two will then tell your brain, hey, this is
how we should breathe. So when CO two is high

(17:01):
or metabolic activity is high, it makes sense we should
breathe more. When it's low, we don't need to breathe
as much. Now, one of the biggest things we'll seep
APNA is this thing called respiratory loop gain. Very catchy,
sound very cool. If you say no, doctor will don't
know where they we're talking. I mean polemonologists would. If

(17:23):
you're seeing a pollmonologist, you're probably in the ICU or something,
and that's your bodies, your brains response to CO two levels,
and think of it like a breathing thermostat, where if
there's a certain amount of CO two, there's a certain
response for you to breathe a certain way. When someone
has sleep apnea, it's the very over sensitive thermostat the

(17:45):
moment the temperature goes like up AC kicks on like instantly,
even when it's not needed. So this happens because a
lot of times when like you know, you have the
faster breathing pattern and then you have an obstruction, and
then immediately after the obstruction, you'll start to breathe fast
again and start to sort of wire this pathway of

(18:06):
being very overresponsive to things. So then if we layer
in these lifestyle things, I'm coming back around to the
original point this was a detour. Is that like say,
if you're eating a lot of carbohydrates or something like that,
like we live in the carbo loca here, that is

(18:28):
going to impact that sounds like a bad restaurant somewhere,
but that's going to impact how much CO two is
going to be produced, and then that's going to impact
your breathing thermostat. Let's say you're sitting around all the time,
right you're super sanitary. That's very similar if you have

(18:49):
a car that you like, never drive, and then like
three years later you're like, let me take the the
Chevy and pale out for a spin, because why not.
The engine is going to kick out more speak, so
it's going to alter the I think I first a

(19:10):
little bit there, but the engine's gonna you know, spew
out some credit here, and that's going to alter how
much Cotwo is gonna be made. Then your breathing thermostack
can't properly adjust to it, bad breathing pattern, more appy episodes.
That's why a lot of times when you see these
lifestyle interventions, which is funny because a lot of time
in social media maybe you've seen it, I make this
incredibly controversial position of maybe lifestyle factors effect you're breathing

(19:35):
in sleep, which I know is you know, it's up
there with Gallo saying, you know, I think the Earth
goes around the sun. Maybe that's the other way. I know,
very you know, difficult positions to defend across a modern
human thought point being, if I say, like lifestyle impact

(19:55):
sleep APNA, people will be like, oh, but like I
thought it was an obstruction there's something in way this
and that. But those sating people won't think twice if
I say, well, you know, if you drink alcohol for
a bed, or if you eat a really heavy meal
a couple hours for a bed, or one very very

(20:15):
common event like people when they stay up a little
bit later, they go to bed two hours later. Oh,
I had way more snoring. Yeah, we've made no changes
to your anatomy. Yeah, and yet you know we've changed
something where someone's in a different environment. There's you know,
they're breathing and crap, they're stressed out more. All that's

(20:36):
going to impact how you breathe. And that's how many
Appney episodes you have at night.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So before we get into two more specifics, because what
I want to do is I want to get into
the AMA's look at it, the industry of seapap and
so forth. But before we do any of that, what
is the basis What is the definition of sleep appney?
Obviously it's obstructed breathing, but it's it's it's the throat

(21:02):
closing down on the windpipe basically.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Right, Yeah, so, uh so, an apnea episode is a
stop itchin airflow that also happens at the same time
you have auction levels drop a certain amount for a
certain amount of time.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's all an APNA episode is. Sleep apnea is then
when that happens anywhere, well, it has happened at least
five or more times per hour over the course of
the night. So if you sleep eight hours, five time
is eight. If anyone has a mathematical PhD, you can
figure that one out about forty events per night. That's

(21:43):
all it takes, right to then have a sleep apnea
a diagnosis, and then you know it breaks down to
different categories. But that's where it starts.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, I had a heart episode in twenty twenty two.
When I went into the doctor, uh, they put a
stint in one carnary artery. But the other thing he said,
have you been tested for sleep apnea? And this is
the training, And of course I did get tested. I
came back, it came back with moderate sleep apnea. They

(22:13):
immediately recommended the SEAPAP machine, which stands for a continuous
positive airway pressure, and in my case, my insurance covered it.
But it was still a thousand dollars machine, which is
not cheap. And I did it twice and I couldn't

(22:33):
stand it.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's very typical.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I mean, yeah, talk about that because those machines are
that's the standard recommendation, is these damn machines. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. So the research has shown if you're a doctor Joe,
when you're a sleep a specialist, you have one hundred
patients and you give them all SEPAP within one year,
within twelve months, which may range from day two to
day hundred and like three hundred and sixty five, about

(23:08):
forty percent of them will still be on it. So
you lose a lot of people right away, and then
of those forty percent, about half of them will say
they experience benefit from it at all. So it's one
of those things where there will be people who they
love it, and that's great, they name it. I'm not saying,

(23:30):
you know, no one should stop their receipt PAP. They
love and their responding well to it awesome, But at
the same time, we shouldn't sacrifice the silent perhaps even
gas lit majority for the minority experience and also expert opinion, right,

(23:54):
because one of those things where you know, mostly medicine
doctors are probably not a SEAPAP and it makes times
for me like, yeah, I use this thing. But if
like you know, any sort of treatments like oh, yeah,
so you're gonna put this on your face and hope
you're not clostrochhrobic, and if it stays on, yeah, and

(24:14):
if it doesn't come off from the middle of the night,
and also if it doesn't like dry your face out,
and if you don't react to it, and if you
aren't using the Phillips ones that gives you like lung cancer.
You know, if all that happens, might be okay.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, but it's a it's a nefarious industry. In your book,
you talk about Phillips. The vision sued for one point
one billion dollars recently because of people having all kinds
of health issues that use this seepap machine. And but

(24:55):
then again, if we look at it from historical point
of view, in the fifties up to the seventies, the
solution was a tracheometry, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Which is it is a step up. You give give
them credit, but it's all it's also it's so invasive.
It's like, this is the model of allopathy. Is they
forget about the holistic aspect and they get into the
commercial machine. They spend billions on making these machines that

(25:27):
you're telling us that only forty percent of people use
them after they begin. And then there's all all kinds
of crazy medical procedures. There's one that you write about
that I've been seeing. It's called inspire therapy, where they
shock the system into breathing again. And this is something

(25:50):
that looks really cool because they don't they show it
on TV. They don't show the surgical procedure, they don't
show the tune ups and the adjustments to this procedure.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
They have great advertising, it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's horrible, horribly invasive. So this is what we're facebook,
and this is why you're on the program, Dylan, is
the fact that they don't go to the to the source,
which is a holistic approach and look at nutrition, look
at exercise, look at lifestyle as a causation. So I'm

(26:23):
kind of speaking over you a little bit, but i
just want our listeners to get a sense of why
it's important to go to the source, to go back
to the beginning and see where you are nutritionally, where
you are stress wise, where you are on a more
naturalistic or holistic balance scale as a starting point. When

(26:47):
you are it's determined that you are a candidate for
sleep apnea. So can we go back a little bit
and let's talk about the CPAP machine and the problems
associated with it, most notably the the the problems with

(27:10):
the body.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, definitely the biggest problem. You can't you can't get
a custom color on the outside and a lot of
people on it. So that's not a problem. But uh,
these just they just don't have personalized medicine like they
show nowadays. Maybe want a green one, but with let's
just go through the whole thing. So yeah, so let's
starry with the Phillips things. So the CPI has like

(27:34):
a lot of parts, like there's filters and all these things,
and you know they're going to be using a lot
of polymers to create that. I know a lot of
people are are more familiar with microplastics. What I'm about
to discuss is not microplastics per se, but just the
idea of if I if I have like if this

(27:56):
is a plastic bottle, this is a green bottle, and
it's not a highnech can it's it's mountain values to
bring everyone. But if you are interacting with this plastic
thing all the time, you're gonna get some of that
plastic in you. I think I hope people are starting
to understand that.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Now let's say you have continuous air force from the
pressure from the sea path and then you have these
actual like foam particles now coming out of it in
some of these defective machines. This is what the lawsuit
was about. And then all these people, you know, get
lung cancer and all these things that go downhill. That's

(28:34):
what's known And if anyone's a historian of pharmaceutical tobacco,
those are kind of the main two. The kind of
the scheme is, let's make a bunch of money, get ahead,

(28:55):
and these lossits will happen, and we'll we'll they'll, you know,
it'll it'll. It'll pan out in terms of revenue and
then revenue loss from the lawsuits. But with other things
around seedpaps to consider. One, I do think microplastics are
going to be an issue with those over time. It
just kind of makes sense to me. Number two is
also mold exposure because a lot of people, whether they're

(29:19):
not taught or told, they use this thing or stored improperly,
they don't change out the filter that will start to
become a hotbed of all sorts of interesting things that
you're then breathing in you know, two date hours airway inflammation,
and it's like more upper airway like in your mouth
like setup. Because again, if you're just constantly having air there,

(29:43):
that's going to create friction. And then what else can
we go through this? Let's even go electromygnetic because a
lot of these things has a heating coil. It's gonna
put electric field on your face. A lot of these
are hooked up to Wi Fi for some on godly reason.
I'm not sure why you want that. That's going to

(30:04):
rate you. It's just this whole laundruls of things. Again,
you know there's someone who might experience a lit benefit
from it, but there's when something is not amazing, we
need to ask ourselves like why this is and what
the risk and benefits are. And I'm like, why there's
other things that are better? Because kind of to your
point of where a very common path is good doctor sepap,

(30:24):
All right, you're in the algorithm, You're you're moving on
to square. Now you get a seapap that didn't work.
Have we tried have we tried lecturing the patient? Okay, Okay,
let's do that, and then maybe let's try different masks.
Let's may we try bypap, let's try some surgeries out
and then well, I mean not try it per se,
but people might get like their uvula taken out, it's

(30:48):
a little thing hanging down in the back. Maybe they
get some rotoscoping down their their nose. Maybe you mentioned
the Inspire, which is thinking about like a pacemaker for
your tongue in a way that doesn't make it sound
any more pleasant, but you know it's a device that
shocks your tongue such that it stays more tone and

(31:09):
out of your airway. That's like the simplest explanation of it.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll reach ot with
my guestterday, doctor Dylan Pitkiss, discussing his new book Sleep
Apnea Solutions. Will be right back. My guess today is

(32:08):
doctor Dylan Petkiss. He has written a book called The
Sleep Apnea Solutions, and we're learning today just how you
can avoid using a cpath machine or dangerous surgery. Does
it actually work though this Inspire method? Because I can't
find any documentation I haven't really looked that deep though,

(32:30):
But they're saying it's the new miracle procedure. But it's
a surgical procedure. And what you write about is that
just because they do it once, it doesn't mean it's
gonna work. They have to kind of tune it, tune
it up or or adjust it.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, so modern medicine is a cure with the story
of like ten ifs behind it right, like we're gonna
put this in, and if it's in the right position,
if the wire went through your neck properly, and if
you're not reacting to the surgical sites, and if you
know it settles correctly, and if we find the right cause,

(33:08):
like it's not just on off, it's more like think
of like a volume remote. You gotta have different settings
of different electrical current going through it. If we find
the right level for you and if you're by because
sometimes people like like they get to an eight out
of ten super arbitrary scale, it's not what it is.
They get to an eight out of ten on the

(33:28):
shock scale, then like maybe it stops working and like
maybe they go up, maybe they have to go down
for a little bit and then back, Like there's this
whole adjustment period. And then if again it's it's staying fine,
et cetera, and heaven forbid if you ever need an
MRI or something. Okay, like there's a lot. Now again,

(33:50):
there's some people who it works for and rave about it.
But again it just has so many like if we
compare it to like some of the things I mentioned,
just the opposite, like eat earlier at dinner, raise the
head of your bed. Uh, you know, do some breathing exercises.

(34:13):
You know, I haven't gotten any email yet in many,
many years of like, oh man, you know I did
these breathe exercises and like I can't see anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm blind.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Well, I guess that person wouldn't be emailing me. They
you know, they would struggle to find the keyboard. So
maybe I should have a better example.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
But no, your you're trained is an allopath, and so
I can hear it in your voice that you're kind
of disgusted at your your brethren, uh, you know, and
the medical experimentation that is FDA approved. I don't know
how Inspire therapy can be improved, but obviously they pushed
it through and paid tens of billions, tens of millions

(34:55):
of dollars in the to some of.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
The old technology. It's an old technology, like FDA approval
for it's it's uh so if you want to think
like the FDA, I would first encourage you to just
stop thinking. That's like step one. Step two. Is one
of the biggest things that allows them to be thing
forward is if it is similar to something that has

(35:18):
existed in the past. So INSPIRE is just a type
of a hypoglossal nerve stimulator. So there's been different iterations
of this over like decades. Oh really, so this is yeah.
So that's why like approving slight variations of it or
large variations, uh, it is pretty easy. Whereas like if

(35:40):
I wanted to make a device, I don't know, if
I wanted to make a device out of this bottle
that helped you breathe better, and all you had to
do was like blowing it for five minutes. Yeah, okay,
a couple million maybe two to four years later.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's scary what these doctors are
doing to people. I as I mentioned, I didn't find
any use for a CEPAP machine. But before we get
into the solutions that you offer in your book, which
are very holistic. Talk about mouthguards, because I've tried using

(36:24):
the mouthguard. One of the one of the mouth guards
I use sucks your tongue out to the front of
your mouth, and I was miserable because I kept freaking out.
I put it in and I wake up in an
hour hour later thinking what's going on? But do those
actually work?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Those whether it a tongue suction device or like through mouthguard,
tongue suction. Okay, yah, So it can work because there's
all these things, right, there's tongue suction, there's like a
straw you talk on, there's all sorts of different things.
If that is like you're one in primary issue and

(37:04):
again it's the only issue. Yeah, it can work. Now
A big if to it, though, because when like you're
pulling your tongue forward, not the most comfortable thing, and
we'll sleep apnea if I do like a little side
profile here. One of the big problems is the towent
that the tongue is down and back here, right, and

(37:27):
it's used to sitting here a lot, so if you
try to pull forward, it can be a very uncomfortable
stretch and some people, I mean, it just doesn't really
jive with them. But again, if if you're able, and
if that's like the strict only problem, then yeah. But
like like on the on the converse, let's say the

(37:49):
tongue is not the problem. It's really like the positioning
of your jaw, and then you still have the bad
breathing pattern. Then it's it's not going to be your
sort of go to thing.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Interesting. Before we jump into your solutions, I want you
to address some of the what you call hidden nutritional
demands of sleep and also hormones for sleep recovery. So
one of the things about sleep apnea that you discussed
and sleep in general is that when you don't get
a good sleep, it deprives the body of nutrients. Talk

(38:24):
about that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, yeah, So just like when if car analogy, I mean,
like if you yeah, let's go the car analogy. I'm
not a car guy though, so God help us all
with this one. So you have like an issue you
with your your brake pad, right, so you're gonna now

(38:47):
rely on your emergency break Okay, this is shaping up
to be a good one when you do that all
the time. Like if you use your emergency breake to
stop all the time. Your car is gonna wear and
tear differently, right, especially around the emergency break. And then
one day you're gon be have no breaks available to
you with our body. If you're not sitting well or
you don't sleep all that night, the next day, your

(39:08):
body is going to be in a different metabolic state.
So here's you know, say you have good sleep metabolism
and you have bad sleep metabolism. Okay, bad sleep metabolism
needs to act a different way to make up for
like your brain being sluggish, yourselves being tired, et cetera,
and good state metabolism doesn't need to do that. So
when you're constantly in bad state metabolism, your body is

(39:31):
hoping and also strategize and thinking, this is just a
short term problem. Let's just get through today, you know,
kind of drive around with the emergency break. The problem
becomes when you do that all the time in that
bad state metabolism, bad sleep, and there's going to be
certain nutrients that will be selectively depleted. So one such

(39:55):
is that when you're in bad sleep metabolism, you will
burn sugar preferentially to fat. Right as a result, you
will use more of those enzymes one of the most
prominent ones is thiamine or inviting B one and then
you'll use that up and that's not good for a

(40:15):
lot of reasons. Number One, that's also a vitamin that
is essential for a certain part of your brain called
the mammillary bodies. We're not producing milk care that is
connected to your breathing centers. So for low thiamine, which
is a prevalent nutrient in an air of your brain

(40:36):
that controls breathing, gonna make things worse. So that's like
probably one of the top ones. There's a whole lot
of them. So another one being magnesium, because again when
you're carbohydrometabolism, you will also deplete magnesium. Another one being copper,
is a big one because of just all the different

(40:58):
properties and and poor you go much deeper on that.
Not people shouldn't like go put pennies in their socks
because of this. But the or take a bunch of it,
be careful is that when we think about sleep, there's
different things like the production of melatonin, different enzymes like superoxide, dismutaste,

(41:20):
all these different things. They rely on copper. And again,
if we're sleeping poorly, we're inefficient, that's gonna be overused,
et cetera. And also copper is used very often as
an antioxidant inside of your cells. You're not sleeping well,
you're having damage to night, You're gonna have more inflammation
and then that's going to cause a lot of issues
and then use up that nutrient there. Also, like certain

(41:44):
fatty acids will be depleted, right, whether it's like coaline,
fossilile searing. I mean, these are lippets, I guess, but
those will be things that just start to go downhill.
And this is also why let's say someone uses a seatpad,
appatungue section whatever. Just breathing, Okay, it is a necessary

(42:10):
part of good sleep, but it is not sufficient. Right,
Like for if you want to make smores, wood is necessary,
but you are not going to make OUI guy smores
just if you have a pile of pine in the
background and in the in the backyard, you eat all

(42:31):
the other ingredients. So that's why when people like they're
breathing better or whatever, or they're using one of these
treatments and feel better, but they're still like there's something missing.
And that's because they were depleted of these nutrients that
are not just going to magically come back because you're
breathing better.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I think one of the problems with modern society is
people don't have a sense of their bodies and they'll
go to a physician and hoping the physician will be
able to figure out what they're what's going on, and
the solution, the bag of solutions for allopathic medicine is
unfortunately very small. It's it's pharmaceutical drugs, it's surgical procedures,

(43:13):
and of course if you if you have a cancer
of some kind, they can address it with radiation, which
isn't a solution at all. And I think what you're
offering is for people to begin coming back home and
going what's your body talking to you about? How are
you feeling, how are you functioning? And this is where
these remedies are coming through. I think one of the

(43:34):
last things I want to mention before we get into
your solutions is the fact that ce paps the serious thing.
And I think you write that you can it depletes
up to ten or more years of your life. You lose,
you know, years by dealing with this from a non

(43:56):
holistic point of view, talk just briefly about.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah safe, Yeah, it's going to reduce life expectancy by
about eight to ten years.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Quality of like, so there's there's lifespan and health spent. Right,
lifespan how long are you alive? Right? Modern medicine is
kind of helping out with that. But then if your
last like twenty years or a nursing home, do you
really care if you added twenty years to your life? Right?
So health span is how healthy are you in those years?

(44:31):
Sleep apnion will take about like twenty years off of
the health span. So that means is basically, if you're sixty,
you're gonna feel like you're eighty. Yeah, And obviously that's
not what we want. And this happens because well, mortality wise,

(44:52):
well zooming out. Sleep apnie is a double edged sword
in that your body is damaging itself at night and
then also you have no ability to repair at nights.
It would be you know, if we had one. Okay,
you have both, and that's how thinks.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Which is what you're saying is when you're sleeping, the
body is repairing itself.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yes, well should be, but if you're gasping for air
every twenty seconds, it will not be right. Yeah, Okay,
so then all the systems will start to fall apart.
That's why I like, pretty much every single major disease
goes up by like two threefold in sleep, apnea, whether
it's strokes, heart attacks, those are the big ones. You know,

(45:40):
Diabetes goes up, cancer goes up. I mean, I know,
car accidents are not a disease, but it's still at
the same endpoint. Those skyrocket just you know, really everything
just groes dementia way up. Those are all the major
things from that.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Okay. In chapter four you get into breathing, talk about
the sleep method. This is one of your babies here,
one of.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Your great acronym, great great acronym here. So sleep stands
for slow breathing. Is the the S there. And then
I'm really going to forget my own acronym. I always
wondered how artists forget their own lyrics, and now I'm
at this juncture here. So it's lower stress, established go

(46:28):
arcade rhythm, and then environment is the fourth letter, and
then P is prioritize nutrition. All right, So right with nutrition?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yes, so got quized in my own book. I think
I passed. I haven't studied beyond chapter four, so don't
but so when looking at that, I know it's five letters.
The first one is the most important, slow breathing, okay,
and then the other things are like if you lump

(46:59):
them all again, they're equally important. Now that being said,
some people may have a lot of room for improvement
in one like environmental you have like a moldy pillow. Okay,
I don't care if you're doing all the fun breathing
exercise during the day. If you're breathing like mold for
eight hours, might be a problem. So the first one
slow breathing. So the basic premise of all of this

(47:24):
is that firstly, BAPA is fast. Irregular breathing will trigger
airway collapse. Even like and this holds true if you
have like nasal polyps, big tongue, big uvula, you have
a narrow trichea for some reason, those are just like

(47:46):
things that increase the risk of this being triggered. But
also that like anatomical basis, this is why you functionally
develop the fast breathing pattern in the first place, because
instead of having a bigger airway, you have a smaller airway.
And if you've ever for fun walked around your day
breathing through a straw One, it's not fun. Two because

(48:10):
it's a more you know, a smaller hole, you have
to breathe faster just to keep up. So when you
do that, when you have a narrow airway, you're going
to have a faster breathing pattern by the fault. And
then it was kind of cascading and gain this sort
of momentum. So if the problem is fast, the solution
is slow, right, mind blowing, And a lot of these

(48:35):
drills revolve around that. So slow breathing and its core
is just like I mean, we can go over a
few exercises this year, like let's say you inhale for
like four and then exhale for eight. Okay, so usually
having sort of like a ratio of a longer exhale
to an inhale.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
What's four and eight for an account or count? Yeah,
the hold the breath you mean you.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Like inhale, take like four seconds inhale and then take
eight seconds to exhale. Okay, nice and slow? Okay, all right,
So let's say we do that. That would take us
about well, I kind of want to be even. So
let's say with you five and ten out, we now

(49:21):
have a breathing rate of four breasts per minute, right,
And if someone can't figure out how we got there,
don't worry. There will be a book on that calculation
coming up next year. I'm joking it. It's just fifteen
seconds to four, so we're not having the four breast permit.
Usually just walk around the day someone's at like twelve
or sixteen seconds. Sorry, twelve or sixteen breast permitt So

(49:43):
the idea is, you do some drills and you bring
your breathing rate to slow because you kind of live
kind of fast if we're backing our thermostat analogy, but
we bring ourselves to slow so that when you go
by your day and recalibrate, you're kind of good. A
little bit slower, just a little bit right. You're not
gonna like stop breathing, and in doing so, that starts

(50:07):
to rewire how your brain and your body works together
to calm down your breathing thermostat to then allow things
to be slower at nights. That's the big thing. People
will ask like, well, okay, cool, did ten minutes of
box breathing or something else? But I don't control how
I sleep at night. And the good news is you

(50:30):
don't control how you sleep ever your brain.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
So are you saying by doing this practice that the
body naturally will conform to that rhythm. Yes, because it's
more comfortable, or because the body understands that what you're
trying to do is bring it back to homeostasis or something.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
You're retraining it. So by breathing slower, the main there's
different things, but the main thing is that your CO
two levels are going up in your body. Okay, that's
not a bad thing. It's a natural thing that happens
when CO two goes up and you're not breathing in

(51:16):
response to that, you're you're making your thermostat less sensitive,
you know, all the way to go. We said, the
big problem is you're breathing thermostats way too sensitive. It
sees a little bit of CO two and then it
freaks out makes you breathe. But when you do these exercises,
see CO two goes up, you're breathing thermostats like, oh
there's CO two and cautiously you're preventing yourself from breathing. Well,

(51:43):
you're breathing slower, so then your breathing thermostat is okay.
With higher amounts of CO two okay, And then as
a result, you will breathe slower like your Your breathing
center does not freak out every single time it sees
the molecule CO two. It feels more safety around that.

(52:05):
So then at night you follow that pattern or you're
close to it.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Okay, cool. So how much is the sleep or excuse me,
the breathing exercises a critical and the other aspects too.
Is it all the less stress, the enhanced environment, nutrition
and the breathing exercises. Is that what's needed for the change?

(52:36):
Or is the breathing the most important?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I would say the breathing is going to bring the
majority of the results. So if I had to make
a vent diagram, or now we have a vent diagram
a pie chart, I would say breathing is for of
the results. Strengthening your airway muscles is probably maybe twenty

(53:02):
or thirty percent, and then the lifestyle factors are the
remaining amount.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guest today, doctor Dylan Petkiss, discussing his new book,
The Sleep Apnea Solution. Will be right back. My guest

(54:04):
today is doctor Dylan Petgist. He has written a book
called The Sleep Apnea Solution, and this is a holistic
look at treating and resolving sleep apnea. So this is
the big problem when you write about this is that
people typically eat too much processed food, they don't exercise enough,

(54:27):
they are in environments that are completely stress stress related,
and these all contribute to sleep apnea. So, and I
know you have case state. In a minute, I'm going to
ask you for a couple of Should I ask you
for some case studies Betty, Tim John and so on.
That's probably not gonna be great. Maybe off the top

(54:48):
of your head, you can provide a suggestion of somebody
who came in with moderate to severe sleep apnea and
went through the pet cat a system of breathing.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
The super duper Peccas Powerful Breathing Regimen trademark pending no
one's steal that name. I know it's really catchy. So
like for like examples of lifestyle change, people have used
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well, yeah, because obviously you've been doing this for at
least what a couple of years, and your books filled
with examples of people who actually follow the programs and
got relief. M hm. So do you have anybody you
can refer to who perhaps had moderative severe sleep apnea

(55:43):
and got relief? Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, So I wasn't sure if you were asking about,
like someone who changed your diet. So yeah, we have
a lot of people. So one guy, we'll call him T.
I guess the just go with initials. So he was
on the younger side. I think it was that modern severe.
I don't remember his exact hi. And yes, the breathing

(56:08):
was a big problem, but his environment was a super
duper big problem, like really bad mold. So not only
working on the environmental side of being less exposed to it,
but then also when you breathe in mold a long time,
it will colonize your airway, which is exactly as pleasant
as it sounds. So using certain things like there's a

(56:32):
it's like an herbal nasal spray. It's like getting punched
in the face by a regano but the yeah, it's spicy,
but that will start to break up some like the biofilms,
et cetera, so that you can breathe through your nose,
because nasal breathing is of paramount importance for sleep ap
you know, and then also his body security rhythm was

(56:54):
like really off, so he was like, you know, up
super early, waking up all the time at night to
being able to get his like rhythm into a good place,
like being sure is like he's getting out in the
sun and like getting that sort of signal to his
body and then making sure, you know, his sleep hygiene
like dark curtains, all that was in place, so he

(57:16):
could be in a much much better spot around that there.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
So are you recommending this, Stilan? Are You're the one
that's hearing from this individual and you're saying, okay, it's
do an analysis of your sleep patterns and what you
do to prepare for bed kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
So when someone's sharing like, hey, this is like my
night routine, it doesn't oh, it doesn't take me long,
which I guess is kind of the point of being like, oh, hey,
like these are kind of the three points of optimization
around like your behaviors from eight pm to eight am
when you're trying to get to sleep here and then

(57:56):
we just like optimize those camputus. So like, what are
you doing like your night routine? Okay, you have a
I don't think anyone's had a night light. I don't
think anyone would get that far to me, but like
they're they get up in the middle of the night
and then they decide to like read with like all
the lights on their living room, Like what are we
doing here? So like things like that, right, or maybe

(58:21):
like the diet they're eating is just like super like
supercar heavy, like very low protein, et cetera. So their
bodies like in that really bad you know, kind of
in that bad metaialism state, right, Like they're just beating
it more and more carbs and playing more and more
than the nutrients. So we want to be able to
have them focus on those components to restore the whole

(58:42):
picture there.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Interesting you mentioned the circadian rhythm. Talk about that because
that's an important aspect of wellness that I wasn't really
familiar with. And it seems to me when man Ki
was more earth centered, when we were out in the
nature more and sleeping out under the stars and so

(59:04):
forth and so on, we were much healthier. But talk
about the circadian rhythm. What it is it?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah, So circadian rhythm is when your body does what
in the simplest essence and the extension of that is
when your body does what when it's appropriate to do.
So that's like the biggest thing. So like we live
our lives and it's like I'm in here with like

(59:32):
these lights, you know, and then like I don't know,
it could be two am for all anyone knows. For me,
maybe I live in I don't know where the heck
could be two am, Alaska or something I don't know, Singapore.
And that's how people go about their life, right. It's
like it's nine PM. You're sitting watching TV and you

(59:54):
have this light that's hitting your retina and saying, I
know it's nine pm, but it's actually based on this light,
it's really one pp And then we wonder, well, why
why am I not taller? Sort of thing. So it's
just being able to make sure that you don't have
things disrupting your bias circa rhythm. So like light at
the wrong time is like one of the top culprits,

(01:00:17):
you know, having too much blue light at well. I
mean really any sort of artificial light at night is
going to then disrupt your rhythm. Or maybe you're just
like in sheer darkness all day. Like if I sit
in my office all day, it's not very bright it
comparison outside. So lux is the intensity of brightness perceived

(01:00:42):
by the the object. In an office, maybe it's around
five hundred lucks. Maybe in like a bright annoying office,
it's like maybe seven hundred. You step outside on a
cloudy day, it's going to be at least ten thousand lucks.
Like you're outside Canada, let's say, in Canada, cloudy day,

(01:01:02):
because people in Canada are like, oh, there's no sun here.
I'm like, well, there's about, you know, a thousand times
more light outside than inside, no matter how cloud it is.
But as humans, if we just are inside offices all day,
we miss out on that huge signal. And then the
darkness prevents us from a relative darkness prevents us from
having a good, healthy circadian rhythm there. So it's kind

(01:01:23):
of the two pieces the things that disrupt it, and
then also not having a signal like being outside in
the sun to tell your eye, to tell your brain like, hey,
it's this time of the days, let's do these things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yeah. I thought it was interesting you spent time on
being physically in natural sunlight. You actually say that people
should go out in the morning and kind of bathe
for a few minutes in the natural sunlight, which keeps
this circadian rhythm flowing. You know, it's kind of a

(01:02:00):
enhancement of some kind of natural enhancement that we perhaps
were used to it in an earlier version of humanity.
And then the other thing, and you just mentioned it
is reduced light at nighttime. I guess you're right. If
we're in if we're bathed in artificial light, it's kind
of a stimulant, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Oh yeah, I mean that's exactly why it is made.
So like a lot of these environmental things like office work,
warehouse work, if you look at like, oh geez, I
forget when this research is. But the basic premise is
how can we maximize productivity in our workers without like

(01:02:43):
killing them today It's kind of the whole basic premise.
So there's like certain temperatures of light like color temperature,
not light, not hot to the touch, but like the
how they're how blue they are if you will and
there's a certain level, then if you do that, that
will maximize productivity. And then if you layer in then

(01:03:05):
this craze of overcraze of like environmental efficiency. You have
to have led lights or you're a bad person. Then
that becomes another like non human alien sort of like
source of light that is then going to not interact
well with human biology.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Right, you have a chapter on the environment which I
thought was interesting, and you mentioned a couple of things
like electromagnetic frequency, which is like being around machines that
are pumping out electricity. If your room's full of devices
and something that that's not a good thing. Talk about

(01:03:46):
that for a minute. Well why would that be a problem.
Is it the electrical current?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, so let's do ams and one hundred and seconds flat.
So electromatic field or also know as our electromenic radiations.
Anytime you have an electron that accelerates, which I know
we're all like in you know, steady state versus acceleration
and increasing velocities, it will produce a wave of energy

(01:04:17):
in the series of photons in differentquencies. Right, So, if
I had a phone nearby, I don't know where it is, Like,
I guess that's my next thing to do. Find my phone.
It will be around. Like there's different bandlists like nine
hundred megaherds, eighteen hundred megaherds, even two point four gigaherts.
Our microwave is about two point four gigahertz. That's what

(01:04:39):
that is. So those electrons are making things that jiggle
very fast across space and time. Our body relies on
charged particles to move around in a very precise manner,
like a you know, like figure skater, like Disney figure

(01:05:01):
skater like Lilo and Stitch on ice times ten billion
is what's going on on the side of ourselves. And
if you have an electromatic field or radiation, whether it's
from the computer screen, whether it's from my microphone, whether
it's from the CPU on my computer here going around

(01:05:22):
like you know a billion times a second, that is
going to make my electrically charged positive or negative particles jiggle.
All right, that's going to make it very harder for
biology to do its job. Okay, it's not going to
be a very good is it, Lilo or I don't
forget what it is, but like you know, it's not

(01:05:43):
going to be a great show practically how that pans out.
So I was talking about like a cepap. It can
also be like like the number one culprit is like
people have their cell phone and then they charge it
on their nightstand and then you have this big electric
field from the electricity coming from the wall socket to
the phone, and then you have your phone on right

(01:06:04):
it still having still transmitting signals, whether it's to a
cell phone tower, whether it's to your WiFi, and it's
doing that a whole lot, and your apps are updating
all the time, they're always pinging back and forth. That
is going to then disrupt how your boy does things.
That's why the research is showing, like you have these things,
et cetera, it's going to lower, like, for instance, lower

(01:06:26):
your production of melatonin, your sleep parma. Not exactly what
we want if we want to have better sleep here.
And it's super easy to mitigate too, because like eighty
to ninety percent of our exposure are things like I
just mentioned of, where like instead of charging your cell
phone in your nightstand, maybe charge it in your bathroom

(01:06:47):
eleven point seven feet away, and that will like dramatically
reduce the exposure because it follows like the inverse square
law here where am I there? Basically the closer you
are exponentially gets worse, but the further it gets away
exponentially you're less exposed. So you know, there's little things,

(01:07:09):
there's big things too around reducing MS, but those are
very often overlooked, especially when people have like they have
a seapap and they wear an R ring on each hand,
and then they have another tracker, and then they have
LIKESA and Siri and you know whatever else, and then

(01:07:30):
they're like they have their router underneath their bed or
in their bedroom closet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
That's horrible. There's too much Wi Fi.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah, you'd be surprised. I mean, honestly, I would say,
like if someone likes sometimes like we go over the
environment people, I mean, it's got to be like probably
sixty or seventy percent of people who are sleeping really poorly,
like have the router obnoxiously too close to where they sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Wow. Amazing. Though, well, hey, it sounds to me like
you're asking people who have sleep apnea to look at
their not only their environment, but also their lifestyle. And
this is a critical issue. Is what you're showing us
here the modern society that we live with all these

(01:08:17):
unseen frequencies and Wi Fi and and not getting out enough,
not exercising, eating poorly. It's it's the modern society. Is
this is a modern disease, if you want to call
it a disease. And you're asking people to look at
their lifestyles and adjust, and when we do that, how

(01:08:45):
effective are we getting to eliminating or reducing sleep apnea?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Dylan super super effective is the clinical term. So it
all depends on are we doing the right things and
already being consistent with them, Because there may be a
thousand things to do. There will probably be like I
don't know, twenty two things out of that that's going
to really work for you versus Debbie versus Joey versus

(01:09:12):
like so on and so forth here and somebody just
has to go through it in layers because like when
we focus on the breathing, that's going to give you
a large portion of the results. And for some people
that may be like all they need, Like we like,
we have our program and I forget what it is,
but like I said, an automated email out like seven

(01:09:33):
days in, like how you doing, And a lot of
times people are like, oh my god, it's like a
whole new world here and that's all they need it okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Some people are like I'm a little bit better, like okay, cool,
And there might be more layers of the onion to
go through here, so to speak. So it's going to
really very personal person. But that's kind of the the
beauty of lifestyle, because let's say I'm I'm twisting your

(01:10:05):
arm to do some twenty minutes the slow breathing exercises
and maybe eat some more protein and all this stuff.
Maybe I annoy you, maybe I take up a little
time out of your day, but it's a little bit
better than having like I don't know, part of your
throat irreversibly sliced out and be like, well that didn't
work after three months of recover and you're like, well,

(01:10:28):
maybe we'll do something else. Like it's it's a lot
more modifiable. Yes, it's going to require more input, but
like that's kind of the point to like have a
healthy life. It's not just like people shouldn't live like
Warren Buffett, where you just like drink coke and eat

(01:10:49):
McDonald's or whatever, and then when something goes wrong, you
pay like one point five million dollars to your surgical
team to take care of something. I mean, yeah, he's
ninety four, but I think I forget. But that's just
not going to work for most people. It's the little
things you do when you're consistent with and like you said,

(01:11:10):
just like listening to like, Okay, this breathing worked well,
this tongue exercise worked well, or they didn't. You need
to change how you doing or you know, address other things.
Like there's been people who I think I have some
like you know videos on like fini me or something
like that, like they just add it. And again I'm
not recommending this to an individual, but I'm just saying

(01:11:31):
this person was like, yeah, it started taking it and
my snoring went away. That won't happen for most people, Yeah,
but it will first song because that was like one
of the big missing things.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Amazing. The book's called Sleep Apnea Solutions. My guest today
has been doctor Dylan pet Kiss. You can get the
book on Amazon, but talk about your program, what people
can do to sign up with, what the website is
and more.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah, you just go to a bathroom mirror say pecus, pecus, pecus,
and then it'll just appear on your phone. It'll be
cure no no. So yeah, we have a program appnearreset
dot com. And really briefly what it is it you
get like a dynamic breathing protocol because like you know,
we just went over like one breathing exercise like the
five and ten out. But just like exercise, it's it

(01:12:21):
should scale, all right, because if you want to lift
three hundred pounds, you probably shouldn't start there, you know,
but you need to start somewhere and build your way up.
So what we have as part of our program is
like a little system in which, like you start with
these breathing exercises, next week you build to these et cetera,
just to make sure like you're on a good progress path.
And then we also want to make sure you support

(01:12:42):
it with that. So we have lots of ways because
we have questions, So we have like group Q and
a calls or group chat or cool community four yep,
and then and then other sorts of things like are
you know a call more holistic? The calls uh to
focus on different aspects like okay, my breeding's better, how

(01:13:04):
can I improve my deep sleep? Or uh, you know,
how can I optimize my nutrition? Just like these little
you know there are like these twenty eight day stretches
that you just complete week by week, just go through
a checklist about being about a boom. That's the new
Jersey and Me coming out, and that's how you do there.

(01:13:24):
So that's some people can check out it appnea resets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
So you have you have your own online I'll just
call it a clinic that might be another name for it,
where your people can sign up gets to analyze their
lifestyle and then go from there. Yes, yes, that's very cool,
fantastic And as we can close, what's the success rate

(01:13:53):
you're having with your it sounds I mean, it sounds
like a modern health issue. Unseen frequencies, poor diet, poor exercise,
not enough sun and so forth and so on. It's
it's like it takes a lot to break down and

(01:14:14):
have apnea, and how much time does it take to recover?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
How involved am I? And how involved in this person? Okay,
that's a good one. So the more you the more
you participate fully heartfelt, the better your solution. Yes, yes,
so with so, I track a lot of our statistics

(01:14:42):
and like our little membership site, and it's also just
across the board like all these like little like health
apps you see. Yeah, so this this the supposed standard
average rate, which I believe if someone buys like a
like a membership thing, it's like, you know, ten to
twenty bucks a month whatever. About thirty percent of people

(01:15:05):
will use that throughout the month. Seventy percent of people don't,
all right, just forget about it, which is I feel
that's very similar to like a physical gym.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Can't speak for those people. And then the people who
are then active, it's like, yeah, like how active are they?
But let's say a scenario, it's like they're more active,
they're raising their hand, et cetera, more involved with us.
That's something where it can range from. It will be typical.

(01:15:40):
I would say two to five months would be a
good range.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
That's actually very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
There are people in the one month of rage. I
don't want to count that or like be like, yeah,
four weeks, this is gone, but a lot of people
they're in that timeframe and whether they're like yeah, I
sleep like they're they're tracking their metrics like they have
like a like a tracker. That's why I'm doing this.
I'm not sure what that became, kind of like confrontational
tick out a tracker on their hand or wrist, and

(01:16:12):
they're seeing numbers that would indicate they're not having appney episodes,
they're falling in that clinical definition of sleep apne or
they get a sleep test and it's like, oh yeah,
like one lady, what she say? She was like, yeah,
so I was my age. I was I think like
thirty two in June. It's October right now in June,

(01:16:33):
and I think she was in the program for like
two or three months. And she's like, yeah, I got
retested my age. I was one and my sleep doctor
was like, yeah, I don't know. Whatever you're doing, keep
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
So yeah, Well it's funny because I understand the allopathic model,
and it's too bad there can't be a pet kiss
institute that people can go to. It's funded by the FDA.
You're not you're not pushing enough machines and intervention and
surgical procedures for you to Yeah right, yea qualified for

(01:17:11):
the allopathics system, which is sad. It's a sad statement
about allopathy. It's just so commercial.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Guy who makes a lot of videos telling people to
breathe online, that's my that's my business card.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Well, dude, it's fantastic. It sounds like you're doing a
great job and wow, it's uh it sounds like it's effective.
So thank you for joining me, Dylan. I was really
informative and power more power to you, guy. I appreciate
what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Thank you, thanks, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Although the book is helpful and I read it, it's
a short read, one hundred and fifty pages. I think
the website is the best way to go Apnea reset
dot com, apnea A P N E A R E
S E T dot com. The website has got a

(01:18:12):
lot of free stuff and you get a sense of
what you need to do in terms of the breathing
and you know what, it's really lifestyle and this is
what he's bringing up. It's our insane Western culture that's
always on the go. It's always on your phone, it's
always being bombarded by wavelanes, Wi Fi cellular phones, radiation.

(01:18:36):
He's talking about e m F elect electromagnetic frequencies. I
think one of the big ones is and just nutrition.
People don't take supplements, and if you're in the typical
Western diet, it's a it's a foods that are having
a nutrition, corporate farming, you know, not organic meats, vegetables, fish,

(01:18:58):
so far as and so on. You know the routine.
So check out his website and see if you can,
you know, get more data. And his books available on Amazon.
I bought the Kindle version for four ninety nine, his
regular books like twelve. And you know you don't need
to use the CPAP machines. You know you really don't,
because this is a way to tune up. And the

(01:19:19):
other thing is, if you're to the point where you
are having sleep abnea, and I admit this is me too,
you're not paying attention. I was not paying attention to
my body. I was not paying attention, and sometimes I
still have I wake up, you know, you know, needing
to have a breath, you know, oxygen deprive because my

(01:19:41):
tongue slipped back and I shut off my airpipe. So
check it out. This is a way to go. It's
really something. He's the only one I really think is
the way to go, because everything else is these tongue holders,
the mouth appliances. He's even got people putting tape on
their mouths, so you don't, you know, taking air when

(01:20:05):
you're asleep. So something to consider. Remember, we're here for
tools for transformation, tools for recovery, tools for health, tools
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(01:21:33):
All right, that's it for this program. I want to
thank my guest today, Dylan Petkiss, coming to us from Florida.
As always the team of Gail tour, Mark Foster and
Feya out in Pakistan. You guys rock all right, take
care of you will and we will talk to you

(01:21:53):
next time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Don't imagine me and side press showing all things. Let
your double tack put your mother's side both of life
and angles with a little adit. Why did this get

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so important?

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
I don't really.

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