Destiny: Rita Hogan, The Herbal Dog

A hands-on guide to holistic canine herbalism

“Even if skeptical readers don’t come away completely convinced, they’ll be enormously educated—Hogan imparts a huge amount of biological information about dogs, and does it all with an easy readability that will make quite a bit of it stick. An informative and sometimes eye-opening examination of natural remedies for helping your dog.”—Kirkus Reviews

• Teaches the tenets of holistic herbalism for the individual dog

• Presents safe, clinically proven, and effective protocols for common canine conditions, from acid reflux to allergies to itching, scratching, and yeast

• Lays out a comprehensive materia medica of canine-specific herbs, including what conditions they are good for, their energetics, internal and external use, safe dosages, and contraindications

In this comprehensive guide to holistic care for dogs, clinical canine herbalist Rita Hogan explains that by looking at dogs as individual ecosystems with unique personalities, physiology, and needs, we can select effective and personalized herbal remedies to support their constitutions and provide relief from many different ailments.

Hogan, who has spent more than two decades working with canines, uses energetic principles (cool, warm, dry, damp) to reveal how herbs are not "one size fits all" and how to find the root cause of chronic imbalances. She discusses in depth how a dog’s main organ systems work, how they are connected to each other, and why we need to understand them when choosing specific herbs and foods.

Presenting safe, clinically proven, and effective protocols for common canine conditions—from acid reflux to allergies to itching, scratching, and yeast—Hogan presents a wide variety of holistic and herbal remedies: from herbal tinctures, glycerities, and phytoembryonics to flower essences, essential oils, medicinal mushrooms, and homeopathy. Her comprehensive materia medica of canine-specific herbs that she uses in her practice details what herbs are good for which conditions and why, what types of energetics are involved, safe dosage recommendations for each herbal remedy, and when to discontinue an herb.


Allowing each of us to take a hands-on approach to our canine companions’ health and longevity, this herbal guide outlines how to help them live their best lives by our sides.

Rita Hogan is a clinical canine herbalist with over 20 years of experience specializing in holistic canine herbalism. She is an educator, speaker, writer, formulator, and herbal medicine maker. Using a combination of diet, flower essences, herbs, mushrooms, and phytoembryonic therapies, Rita helps address a dog’s mind, body, and spirit.Rita’s work involves helping dog owners, natural practitioners, and veterinarians understand how to use herbs according to plant language. She believes in integrative, holistic care where traditional herbalism complements and supports science-based integrative veterinary medicine.

https://www.canineherbalist.com/


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
how you doing. Come on in and have a seat.
Let's talk about animals today, specifically dogs. You know, I
had an author on the program last year talking in
general about animals and people really liked it. And so

(00:38):
I keep my eyes open for topics that are supportive
of that theme. And I remember Destiny is all about
tools for transformation, and I have a really good one today,
an author who is a holistic herbalist, a canine herbalist,
who recommends using herbs and quality foods for dog health.

(01:04):
And I think it's important to note that when we
have an animal, we have a dog in our lives,
and I've had a number of dogs, they're like children.
You have to really be careful what you feed them,
how you work with them, how you exercise them, and
you have to be conscious of it. And so many people,
my friends, my family, consider kibble is the primary food

(01:29):
or wet food out of a can, without really considering
the dog's health. And as we're going to learn today,
it's really critical what we feed our animals and how
we are part of that animal's environment. And when I
say environment, it's like when we're feeling bad. They pick

(01:50):
up on that. Dogs are really hyper sensitive. And I've
known this and discovered it over the years. If you're depressed,
if you're feeling sad, they understand that. They pick it up,
they can feel it. And we're gonna hear about how
to go about working with your dogs or dog and

(02:12):
the responsibility of being a parent or a dog owner.
And you know, I figured this out after having a
couple of dogs. You know, you think they can do
their own thing, but they're very reliant. They're completely reliant
on their human parents to help them live a healthy life.

(02:36):
And it's funny because we're going to hear this today
that the veterinarians of the world, although they're honorable, they
still follow a similar path that our allopathic doctors follow,
which is great amounts of drugs, great amounts of steroids,

(02:57):
great amounts of unnecessary femotherapy when an animal isn't well.
And I see this with my brother. I haven't had
a dog in a couple of years, but my brother
and his wife got a terrier. And terriers require a
great deal of energy because they're hyper. They get to
get they want to get out, they want to run

(03:18):
they want to see what's going on. They very very
interested in what's going on when they're walking and when
they're running and when they're out. And if you don't
have a lot of energy, and I'm not saying that
my brother doesn't have a lot of energy, but they're
they're demanding. It's almost like you need to really be

(03:39):
aware of the dog breed that you are acquiring if
you want to be a dog owner. And I think
they may have become challenged with the need for more walking,
more outside time, and a diet that supports their their personalities.

(04:01):
So it's interesting to say this though, and you can
see this and dog owners, dogs are a reflection of
our own personality and lifestyles as well. So if we're
into exercise and eating well, I think we were responsible
for the dog having the same kind of environment and
the same kind of world good food, good exercise, and

(04:25):
responsible parenting. I call it parenting, but it's really responsible ownership.
So I think you've got to like this today. The
book is The Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism Applications and Practices,
and my guest is Rita Hogan. She has been working
with dogs for over twenty years and the book just

(04:48):
came out, just came out a few weeks ago, and
it's really and I had to say this when I
was reading it. It's a great reference. So it's not
like you have to really know all about herbs, but
you know, it's a good primmer for using herbs as
a supplement, supplementing your dog's diet with herbs. Wow, it's amazing.

(05:11):
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(07:19):
not to be missed. If you're an animal like me,

(08:00):
I have a fantastic book for you. It's brand new.
It's called The Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism Applications and Practices.
And I got to tell you, not only was I
pleasantly surprised that the way it was designed, it's a
true herb book for animals, specifically dogs. And I wish

(08:21):
I'd known about it when I had dogs years ago
because the solutions, the remedies are fabulous. And my guest
today has been working in the field for many, many years.
My guest is Rita Hogan, and she is a clinical
canine herbalist. Can you believe it, We're gonna learn a
little bit about that today. She hasn't just been doing

(08:42):
this for a few years, She's been doing this for
over twenty years. And this book is fantastic. So Rita,
welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
All right, tell us about this book. Why did you
write this book? I mean, I want to just say this.
In the beginning of the book, you have this wonderful
kind of opening where you were talking about living on
the growing up on a farm, having animals, seeing how
they are nurtured and age and so forth and so on.
That's a big part of this history of yours, isn't it. Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
For sure, it really did imprint on me. And you know,
as I talk about in the book, my dog Susie
lived until she was at least twenty four, if not
twenty seven. But my dad passed away, so we can't
really ask him. He's the man that would know. But
my brothers and sisters, you know, they're quite older than me,

(09:40):
and they know that at least it was twenty four,
So she was there way before I was born and
after I went to college. So it was interesting, you know,
looking at how she lived her life and how our
dogs are living their lives right now to night and day.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Do you suspect that your dad was using herbs, incorporating
herbs and holistic remedies into the animal's daily lives on
the farm.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So Susie didn't. I never saw him usually use herbs
with the dogs. He used him with the horses and
pigs and cows. But Susie, her like, her diet was
pretty simple. She had raw milk from our cow Motley.
She ate meat scraps. She ate whole foods, she ate

(10:35):
off the table. I mean we ate, like we didn't
eat processed foods for the most part. There wasn't a
lot of processed foods in the seventies. And she, you know,
whenever I would I rode my horse most days, and
she would be behind us walking nibbling, eating plants, eating,

(10:55):
you know, eating little creatures that made me cry, and
you know, just do and stuff that dogs do. But
she also like got to choose if she wanted to
sleep outside or not. She got tons of fresh air,
which you know, fresh air is a huge thing for
dogs right now because the dogs spend the majority of
their lives inside.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, exactly. Okay, what is a holistic herbalist.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Who is different than like an allopathic herbalist herbalist? The
easiest way to explain it is, you know, well, I
don't know, seven to ten years ago, you would see
all of those lists five things that for arthritis, ten
herbs for arthritis, right, yeah, and people would literally like

(11:47):
take six herbs on that list. But and people always say,
you know, rita, what's the best what's the best herb
for my dog? I can't answer that without asking you
a slew of questions. You know, dogs are individuals, and
a lot of times when people don't feel that herbs
work out, it's because they're not appropriate for your individual dog.

(12:08):
And that is the biggest thing. Because plants have language,
you know, they speak on a language of opposites. So
if you're warm or your dog is warm, you're going
to give poling herbs. You know, turmeric, right, Turmeric is
everyone knows what turmeric is. It's an excellent anti inflammatory,
but it's not an excellent, excellent anti inflammatory for a

(12:30):
very warm person or a very warm dog. It causes
more heat, and that's when you get into trouble. So
when you learn plant language, you can use herbs so
much more effectively, and that's kind of the basis of
holistic herbalism.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I was amazed, and this makes perfect sense to me
that when you go to your typical vet, they are
using a allopathic modality, which is using drugs, using hormon
shots and surgery and pretty invasive treatments. Is it your

(13:14):
hope or can you tell us our herbs being more
incorporated into veterinarian practices today or is it more that
the individual parent of a dog, cat animal is the
one who is speaking up and saying I'd like to
try this.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think it depends, so I think people people are frustrated.
You know, veterinary allopathic veterinary care is really good at
saving lives, yeah right, And it's excellent at like end
of life care to create more more comfort, excellent in

(13:53):
emergency situations like if your dog gets hit by a car.
But I don't think the doctors of today are skilled
in the art of prevention and longevity as far as
having a dog thrive. Looking at nutrition, very little nutrition,

(14:15):
if any training in vet school. And you know thatts
are busy, right, They're busy, and you really have to
take time out of your practice to learn something new.
A lot of vets have started learning acupuncture, which is great.
I'm very happy for that. And when you learn acupuncture,

(14:36):
you start to learn kind of how the body is connected.
And my book is all about how everything in the
body is connected. And when you understand the dog as
an ecosystem, you get that the treatments that you're getting
at the VET are just to quell symptoms. They're not

(14:57):
to solve the problem in the first place. And I
truly believe in integrative care. I would I like, you know,
functional kind of functional medicine on the on the human side,
you know, functional medicine for dogs, including plants. And I'm
I'm on a book tour right now and I've had

(15:18):
close to thirty vets at my my events and that's
been that's been really promising. I really like that. And
I'm you know, I'm I have a lot of holistic
fat colleagues.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I like that. You know, it's funny you mentioned functional
medicine and this is something that's recently come on board
with human medicine, is functional medicine, which is more integrative
in its capacity to heal than just allopathy. One of
the things that I find fascinating about your book. And
by the way, those of you listening, Rita has done

(15:56):
a great job. And this is a reference book. So
would you say that it's made for everyone from the
beginner to the advanced parent. And I want to just
say this parent being observer observers of their animals in
terms of how they reacted to foods and things like that.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
The book is definitely for everyone. It's for vets. Vet
TeX's uh, holistic practitioners. Functional medicine doctors, and then the
everyday average pet parent in that the things that it
covers apply to all including our kidtie friends. You know,

(16:42):
it is a reference book, but it's also a teaching book.
Like the first part of the book, it's it's it's
in two parts. The first part teaches you, you know, what
is holistic herbalism, what a you know, what is my
opinion on evidence based medicine. You know, how to look
at evidence space medicine so that you're not looking at

(17:02):
a biased uh study. And how herbs are used in studies. Uh,
it's not the herbs that you know, standardized herbs are
has to be have to be used in studies, and
those are they're they're a little different than than you know,
your regular herb that you would gather outside.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
But in the in.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
The book itself, I deal a little a little with
feeding diet is very important, especially for our indoor dogs.
And then and then I move right into teaching you
you know, how to look at your dog as an
ecosystem and an individual and going through the you know,
the nervous system, the lymphatic system, the liver, the lungs,

(17:45):
the heart, and that that's that chapter is called everything's connected,
and that's really gonna it's very easy to read, and
it's gonna teach you to look at your dog differently.
And when you start observing your and looking at your
dog differently, things just really open up and you understand
like that you can't do this without that right, and

(18:09):
that herbs aren't really that this for that switch like
a lot of you know, allopathy looks at when you
look at herbs like well, I need something to replace this, right, right.
Herbs go into the body and they fix things, They
balance things. The body is always trying to get back

(18:31):
to being in balance. And it's tenacious, right. We beat
the crap out of our bodies and our dog's bodies.
And many of the standard of care pharmaceuticals in the
veterinary industry affect the body for years. One of them
is I talk about in my book is metronatazol, which

(18:54):
is flagile and it's given in human medicine and also
veterinary medicine, but it's it's the standard of care for diarrhea. Right,
So if you bring your dog in for diarrhea, you're
gonna get flagile. And one of the things that flagile
does is it turns on it genetically alters the gut, right,

(19:16):
and it turns on inflammation markers. You know, does it
create a polymorphism, I'm not sure, but it turns on
inflammation in the gut. And almost every client that I've
ever helped with herbs that has like ibd IBS severe
gut issues. Dogs can only eat two proteins. Things like that,

(19:39):
I find the flagile in their history. And we kind
of like, antibiotics have become so commonplace that we kind
of just well, they had antibiotics, but that was six
months ago, or that was two years ago. But until
we do something to alter the damage that that antibiotic

(20:01):
has done, you're gonna see, You're gonna see symptoms. And
my book is written on the premise of organ health
because when you look at every single thing besides a
genetic problem that you're born with, right, and even that

(20:23):
can be related to the mother's issues, right, or the
father's issues. But every single thing that you can think
about your health and your dog's health is can be
completely brought down to a single thing, and that's organ health.

(20:45):
You know, when our organs are working correctly, and organs
being the gas to intestinal track, the lymphatic system delivered
the kidneys, the lungs, the heart, the spleen. When our
organs are working correctly, uh, we don't have ill health.
Those symptoms aren't there. And so when you learn how

(21:06):
to heal and support those organs in your dog, a
lot of the symptoms that you're that's driving you and
your dog crazy they disappear.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Would you say that you're suggesting that the user of
your book be educated enough to As an example, steroids
are used a lot with dogs for all kinds of conditions.
So if the doctor says we're gonna recommend steroids, and

(21:39):
one of your readers who's been up to data on this, says, well,
can I try something else? Is that what you would
call a complimentary alternative to a steroid or to a
powerful drug? Is that? Is that what you're hoping to do?
Because I think what I'm getting from what you're telling
us is this is like human beings, We get these

(22:01):
powerful drugs that throw us way off equilibrium, and then
we have to slowly come back with good foods, with exercise,
with herbs, with vitamins and so forth.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I definitely would say that it would be complementary.
You know, you definitely want to do the steroids if
it's a life threatening illness, you know, like right of course,
like pneumonia or something like that, or you your dog
is sucking air and they can't breathe, you know, you
definitely And I talk about steroids in the book, like
you know, yes, you definitely want to take the steroids.
But if it's steroids for you know, something simple or

(22:39):
you know, my biggest issue is antibiotics. You know, antibiotics
for just you know, bacteria between the paws, not life threatening,
you know, for me, life threatened. Antibiotics should only be
used when your dog's life is threatened because you know,
eighty percent of your immune system is in your and

(23:00):
including your dog, and dogs have very short gastrointestinal tracks.
And when you take out the immune system, it dominoes
to everything, like everything, and then your dog is more
susceptible to fleas, they're more susceptible to tick born disease,
They're more susceptible you know, to pathogenic overgrowth, yeast infections

(23:24):
and these are ear infections. These are all things that
really gravely affect quality of life for US guardian owners,
right and our dogs.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
So in the book.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I have a lot of lists in the Everything's Connected chapters,
like how do you tell if your dog's kidneys are
weak because or your dog's liver needs help, or the
lymphatic system is stagnant. I'll tell you right now, almost
every single dog out there, besides a working dog or
like a dog doing agility on a weekly basis, is

(24:04):
their lymphatics are stagnant and their liver needs support because
of the amount of exercise. So the average American dog
gets less than fifteen minutes of exercise a day. You know,
people are busy. They come home from work and they
walk their dog around the block, or they just let

(24:26):
their dog out to go potty, leave them outside for
a minute, and then they come back in, eat their dinner,
chill out, let them out again, go to bed. Right.
So we all need age appropriate exercise to move our
lymphatic system. And a lot of people don't you know.
At my events, I ask you know, I usually ask

(24:47):
the question, does anyone know what the lymphatic system is?
And usually the answer is no, or the answer is yes,
but they don't know what it does. Yeah, and one
and two dogs will dive of cancer. And that's one
of the is that my next book is on cancer,
and this book is like a you know, if you
can improve organ health, cancers will go down.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So when you really let that sink in, right, one
in two dogs will die of cancer. In two thousand
and three, dogs didn't have cancer, right, they hardly ever
had cancer. And now it's one and two dogs. So
twenty twenty two years later, dogs one and two will

(25:34):
die And you think, okay, so we spend more money
on veterinary care in the United States than almost any
other country. Something's not working, you know what I mean? Like,
something isn't working. And I think it's definitely a combination
of food over vaccination and the misuse of antibiotics and stress.

(25:57):
You know, our stress is their stress, and we are
as humans, we are stressed out mess right now.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
So are you saying that this cancer increases immune issue
where they're being over medicated and the body is not
being able to function in this normal state. Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Absolutely, Wow. So when you destroy the microbiome, things start
coming out of the woodwork, and you know, it usually
takes about three months, so you kind of forget about
those antibiotics, right, And also a lot of people because
you know people don't a lot of people don't eat

(26:38):
real food anymore. They also don't feed their dog real food.
One thing about my dogs growing up and my dogs
in life, give or take a few years of stupidity
or should I say ignorance, they eat real food. And
dogs are being labeled as geriatric between eight and nine

(27:02):
right now, and it should be between seventeen and eighteen
in my opinion, Like, we need to get back there.
It may take us another twenty years, right or thirty
because it may take us another ten years to wake up,
but we can get back there. We can turn it around.
If it can happen, we can turn it around. And
I think people need to understand that. You know, kibble

(27:27):
is a convenience and even my you know, I am
not a kibble shamer by no means, but like my
book deals with you know, if you're feeding kibble, here's
to how to improve the bowl. We need to improve
the bowl. We need to Kibble has no enzymes, right,
so a lot of people feed kibble diets with no enzymes,
and we need to If you're feeding kibble, you need

(27:48):
to feed enzymes. And the interesting thing is when you
look at liver function, right, everyone should be looking at
liver function. And when you look at liver function, it
takes it takes close to ten to fourteen hours depending
on the kibble to digest kibble for a dog and

(28:09):
their gastro intestinal track again is short. So if you
feed twice a day, that's all your dogs liver is
working on is helping the gas to intestinal track with
the gallbladder, the spleen and pancreas to digest that food.
Whereas a fresh fruit diet lightly cooked or raw or

(28:34):
freeze dried or dehydrated, you know it is going to
take between four and six hours, so then you only
have you have a lot less time. And then you
know a lot of people overfeed their dogs as well,
which is super hard on organ health. So I talk

(28:56):
I talk about that in the in the in the
food section of the book book, and you know, and
then the book is a grab a go to.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guest today, read A Hugan discussing her newest book,
The Herbal Dog, will be right back.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Stop.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I guess today is Rita Hogan. She is a holistic
canine herbalist, and she is an expert with over twenty
years of experience and helping dogs live their most fulfilling lives.
I have to say this though, this is a huge part.
You emphasize the fact that dogs are carnivores and that

(30:28):
they pretty much in the natural state, eat raw animals, plants,
and that's really their sweet spot is to live as
naturally as possible. But talk a bit about because you know,
I think one of the big issues here I don't
have a dog anymore, my family members do, is there's

(30:51):
a responsibility that the parent needs to be recognized, is
that don't just feed your dog kibble. That's not the
way to go because that's going to But talk a
little bit about the average diet and the problems associated
with just giving your dog kibbles. This is what my
brother does is and his wife, they just give their

(31:12):
dog kibbles four times a day and that's that's it.
That's rough.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Four times a day is even worse because you know,
just think about that's all that dog is doing, and
that's going to cause you know a lot of that
because of for liver health. I mean, if you're going
to give your dog kibble, right, Yeah, like I can
talk about in the book, Like if you're going to
give your dog kibble, you need to support the liver,

(31:38):
you need to support the lymphatic system so that the
body can deal with that kibble more efficiently. And you
absolutely have to add digestive enzymes. And there's a kibble hierarchy, right,
there's a kibble hierarchy. You want to give the best
kibble that you can. On my Herbal Dog website, I
have sourcing for you know, kind of the kibble hierarchy.

(32:01):
Here's some good some good kibbles, and try to avoid,
you know, try to avoid the rest. Basically, you know,
you don't want to feed wheat, soy byproducts meat when
it just says meat or animal fat. You know, there's
so many things. There's rendered meal and a lot of kibbles,
and you don't want to feed kibble that uses rendered meal.

(32:23):
These are things that dogs and cats should not be eating.
Cats are obligate carnivores, which means that they don't need
anything else but protein. They should be eating only protein.
Dogs can have some vegetation, they usually eat it from
their praise guts. But you know we feed way too

(32:46):
many carbs, which causes aging. And when people are working
towards a better diet. You know, I think that baby
steps are very good. Like one, you know, you start
if you're on like a really poor kibble that has corn,

(33:06):
soy those types of things in it. Not only are
those ingredients bad for your dog, but they're completely saturated
with pesticides, herbicides, glypeless ate like oats, if they're not organic,
you're eating glypeless sate just you might as well be
drinking it. So and that's really it's a really sad

(33:27):
thing because that's one of the things that has happened
over the last twenty years. Right our food system is
saturated with chemicals that we know caused cancer, and so
you know, we know that it's in our atmosphere, now
it's in our brain water. So like we know that
we have to clean this up and so, but we

(33:49):
all have to clean up the bowl too. So you
move to a better kibble, You add digestive enzymes, you
get that done, then you aren't adding fresh food to
the bowl. I have lists in the book of things
that you can add to your dog's bowl to create
a better microbiome. It has been scientifically proven and this

(34:13):
is for humans and dogs that even one meal of
fresh greens like sprouts, you know, organic kales, spinach, things
like that, and you don't need a lot for our
dog can improve the microbiome exponentially. You know, it's not
going to stay that way, but it's still going to

(34:36):
cause improvements. You just have to give a little bit
a few times a week to keep those changes going.
And that's fascinating, you know, And there's so much we
can do without stressing ourselves out to improve the bowl.
A lot of times people will think, oh, well, I'll
just give white rice, right, Well, white rice has no

(35:00):
fiber in it and it turns to sugar in the body.
So you know, I feed my dog chicken and white rice.
That's not a good diet. It's actually an inflammatory Dietriada.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
There's so many conflicts in what I'm hearing from you.
I mean, because there's some people that say, don't give
your dog table scraps, and one will say give a
little table scraps, but don't give them a lot of
something else. If you were to come up with an ideal,
of course, there's no idea because every dog and cat
and animal is different. But if you were to say

(35:36):
generally how much kibble how much wet food do you
mix in? Is there a standard that you can give
or what would be a good suggestion for somebody who
doesn't have a lot of time to cook like a
meal for their dog, but wants to give an animal
a good diet.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, you know, we want to work towards balance that
it's balanced, you know, nutritionally. But there's tons of commercial
foods on the market that are balanced that you can
use that you can work towards. But you know a
lot of people get overwhelmed. Yeah, right, So I always
suggest you know, baby steps, like doing one thing and

(36:22):
then kind of you know, getting psychologically adjusted to that,
and then you can add you can up your game
and just keep up in your game to the point
where you're giving a minimally processed diet as much as possible.
And that could be a combination of things, right, it
could be a combination. I know a lot of people

(36:43):
that will feed kibble diet and then add some like
raw food toppers or freeze dried toppers to it to
add more nutrition, or greens, green powders. You know, greens
are great for dog. But you know, really like if
you are out there feeding kibble, one of the most

(37:05):
important things that you can do is one improve your
kibble to a minimally limited ingredient kibble that you can
actually that you can actually read. Sorry about that, that
you can actually read right, and then add digestive enzymes.
That digestive enzymes are the most important thing when it

(37:27):
comes to kibble. Yeah, and remember that you know, kibble
is super dry, it's super drying, and and dryness is
not good for the body. Dryness depletes kidneys, the kidney energy.
It's really hard on the lymphatic system. It's going to
take moisture out of your dog's body to process that kibble,

(37:50):
right if and it makes dogs drink a ton of water,
but sometimes it's not enough to process the kibble and
it will find the moisture to do it. So that
you know, it's one of the reasons why cats dive
kidney disease. So yeah, so very susceptible to dryness. It's

(38:10):
one of the reasons why they get hyperthyroid and they
also get kidney disease, and because it dries out their kidneys.
And so we have to be careful of that, and
I explained that in the book very simply, and it
doesn't need to be stressful. Right, And if anyone has
ever made a cup of tea, right a lot of

(38:32):
us have, then you have worked with herbs. You know,
coffee is a plant herb, black tea, green tea. Plants
and dogs are very conducive to water based medicines. I
have a lot of them in my book. Where it's

(38:54):
really as simple as simmering something on the stove or
making a tea, letting it cool and putting it on
your dog's food. So it's you know, it doesn't have
to be complicated for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I want you to talk just real quickly about enzyme
If you're the first person I've ever heard say, sprinkle
enzymes on your animals dish on their foods. And is
that because it's critical that the food is digested in
a proper way or is there more to it than
just digestion. Is it more wellness throughout the body that

(39:30):
these enzymes are helping.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
So enzymes help the bodies systemically, but they help break
down that food because kibble is completely dead food. There's
no life to it at all, Right, it's a difference
between eating like a really cooked like an apple for
apple pie, which is completely soft and devoid of most

(39:52):
things besides tastes, okay, and then a fresh apple off
the tree, you're gonna get enzyme, you're gonna get nutrients.
Dogs create some of their own enzymes through their pancreas
and their stomach acid, and then they depend on a

(40:13):
lot of it for their digestion through their food because
also they don't have amylase in their mouth like we do.
Like our food starts to break down as we have
it in our mouth. They don't do that. It has
to go into the stomach. And one of the things
this goes with the everything is connected, right, A lot

(40:35):
of dogs are stressed as well. If you're stressed, your
dog is stressed. And stress is one of the biggest
things that brings down enzymes in the gut. It affects
negatively affects stomach acid. And when stomach acid isn't working
like it should, we get undigested proteins in them all intestine.

(41:01):
When you know, when the stomach does its job, you
get this stuff called chime, and it has amino acids
of protein. Right, and when they're not broken down into
complete amino acids. What happens is is the immune system
gets on alert and starts targeting ordinary things like chicken, turkey, broccoli,

(41:26):
anything with any protein in it, even minute amounts of protein.
It targeteds for termination, right elimination. And then you get
a dog that can't eat hardly anything that's sensitive, itching, scratching, biting,
licking cycle. You know, us dog has allergies. They don't,

(41:46):
They have sensitivities. And that's a big job of the
lymphatic system, the liver system, and the gas to intestriginal track.
So I discussed you know, allergies and sensitivities in the
book and itching, scratching, biting. Yeah, but a lot of
it comes down to digestion.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Wow, I love that. Uh. You have a section in
your book that you call energetics, which I really love,
and you use plant energetics, which is which you define
as cool, warm, dry, moist, uh to define Why is
that important in observing and how do you react to

(42:29):
those those issues?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Energetics are really important because there it's plant language. So uh,
you know, warm plants warm the body, cool plants cool
the body neutral plants. Any dog can have. But the
sicker your dog is, the more sensitive they are going
to be to the same energetic and dealing with warm

(42:57):
and cool right now, So a cool dog. Dogs are
born either warm or cool, and they have a spectrum
of heat. So when your dog gets sicker, they get
hotter on a warm dog, and a dog that's cool,
they get colder.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Let me just start for a minute, rita, how do
you determine these types? Is there a type of animals
so like a terrier or is it the breathe.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Not specific, No, it is how they deal with heat,
so you just observe them. There's lists in the book
to help you figure that out, but it's really how
they deal with heat. So a dog that's cool really
loves to be covered up. He loves to be covered up.
He loves to lay in the blankets. He might love
a really warm like orthopedic bed that's made out of
membrane foam, which is very heating. He might lay on

(43:47):
a heating pad. He might lay in the sun until
you forcefully take him out of it by even panting. Right,
he'll lay by the fire and bake himself. A warm
dog will lay by the fire, not gonna lay too long.
You know, they're gonna get warm, and then they're gonna
move away from that heat. Course, they're not gonna stay
out in the sun for a long time. They'll maybe

(44:10):
stay out for ten fifteen minutes and then go seek
the shade. They might depending how hot they are, they
might you know, get warm very easily. You want them
to sleep on the bed, but they are gonna sleep
on the cool floor. They may sleep on the bed
for a little while. Everything is in a spectrum or
a range. And I have like little diagrams on in

(44:32):
my book to kind of give you a visual of that.
But you know, if you have a dog that, like,
let's say a warm dog that gets arthritis, they're not
gonna be a healthy warm They're gonna be more on
the hot side, okay. And if you give that dog,
let's just say, a mixture of turmeric and green lip muscle,

(44:54):
which turmeric is very warming and green lip muscle is
a protein, and it's very okay. You give them that
supplement every day for a long time, it is going
to build heat. And then if you say that you
fed them a lamb food or lamb in venison, right,

(45:17):
that's a very hot food. And so you are putting
all of this heat into an already really warm dog,
and then that's where you start getting issues. And like
I said, I've been doing this for twenty years.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I know I can just tell you. It's like you
got to go with the flow. But the huge thing
about it, read it is that you need to be
constantly observing your animal, right.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Well not constantly, but at least a few times a week,
and you know, and the dry and the damp. This
is a just a visual like a little story recently
on my on my California like California, Oregon, Washington book tour.
Part's gone for about six weeks. And I came home

(46:02):
to my bass At Hound and she hasn't been my
dog very long. She's elderly, she's like fifteen. And she
came with a lot of lypomas. Those are fatty tumors, right,
They're benign and you can get your hand around them,
and they're just lumps and bumps. And I came into
the house and I noticed how much bigger they were.

(46:25):
They were a lot larger, and I thought, what is happening?
And so I asked my brother, who was taking care
of them. I said, you know, what's going on with Lola.
Her fatty tumors are a lot bigger. And I've only
been gone six weeks. What's going on? I don't know.
And I said, well, what have you been feeding her?
And he said, I've been feeding her pork. And I said,

(46:51):
you can't do that because pork is dampening. Okay, it
adds a lot of moisture to the body. You know.
If you look at pork, it has a lot of
fat on it, you know. So he was giving her
pork and lipomas. A dog with lipomas is what you
would call a damp dog, Okay, they have too much

(47:15):
damp in the body. And I explained what damp is
in the book, and this is more advanced, right, this
is more advanced when you go down the rabbit hole
with your dog. But you give a damp dog damp food, right.
It made the lipomas bigger. So what I did is

(47:38):
I went home and I switched her diet to a
drying food boat. I switched her diet to goat and
some drying herbs and drying vegetables, and the lipomas got
smaller over the next three weeks. And that again a

(48:01):
little more advanced. But you can see how much diet
affects the body and when you and it's just a
it's a language of opposites. So in a dog that
is damp and you say, well, how do you tell
if your dog's damp? I have lists like if your
dog has hypothyroid, they're damp. If your dog gets hotspots,

(48:22):
they're damp. If your dog has lepepomas, they're damp. And
here's you know, ten other symptoms of dampness. Right, this
is how you tell it your damp.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
And this is the beauty of your book too, because
if you go to the vet and the vet says
your dog has this issue, you can look it up
right so that you know where you're at and then
address it.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yes, yes, now. And so sometimes you can unknowingly negatively
affect your dog's ecosystem by just things that we think
are fine, like you know you're feeding a hot dog, lamb.
Things are gonna eventually get worse because what do we
do as humans. We tend to feed the same thing

(49:05):
day in and day out. We're not giving a lot
of variety, yes you know, and so it makes the
energetics of the food, which I have, the energetics of
almost anything you can think about in the back of
the book, like what they are. The energetics of the
food needs to be the opposite of what your dog

(49:29):
is for consistency, because energetics is only about consistency. It's
not about the pup cup at the Starbuck, or the
treat at the bank, or grom bringing over some special
treats for your dog. That's not consistent. I'm talking to stuff,
the food, supplements and herbs that we give day in

(49:53):
and day out.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
answers to identify themselves and will return shortly with my
guest today, Rita Hogan discussing her latest book, The Herbal Dog.
Will rejoin you shortly. My guess today is Red Hogan.

(51:00):
She has written a new book called The Herbal Dog.
This is an excellent primer on how to supplement your
dog's food to give them the best quality life possible.
It's also great for animals who have illnesses. One of
the things that you emphasize throughout the book is animals'

(51:22):
emotional health. And I want you to talk a little
bit about how our animals mirror our emotional health. And
so if we're having if we're depressed constantly, we're having
a hard time. The animals gonda emulate that a little bit.
Talk about the emotional health.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, So you know, there's this great research institute called
the heart math Institute. I think it's heartmath dot com.
And you know, they have proven that our electro magnetic
field of our heart system goes out between six and
eight feet. And you know, our dogs are usually near

(52:02):
us all the time, and our dogs, you know, are
interacting with us. And a lot of times we think
that we speak dog's language, right, but our dogs don't
speak to us the way that we speak to them.
They interact with us through smell. They are constantly smelling us,

(52:23):
smelling what's going on in their environment. You know, they
can smell down the street, right, So when we're stressed,
we smell like cortisol and adrenaline. And the unfortunate part
is that we are very stressed out human beings right now.

(52:45):
We live a very stressed stressed lifestyle. Electronics, social media,
Wi Fi, our cell phones, they all create stress. Even
the act of scrolling in social media puts us in
a low level of fight or fly, right, that's been
scientifically proven that crazy. So you know when we are

(53:08):
when we smell unsafe, our dogs feel unsafe, so they
really do mirror our emotions. And I talk about the
vagus nerve in my book, I talk about the nervous
system and how important it is. And on page one
thirty seven of my book, I tell you how to
heal chronic conditions. And the number one thing before you

(53:32):
ever deal with what is actually happening is you need
to stabilize your dog's nervous system. And I tell you
how to do that. But because of the fact that
when we're in fight or flight, even a low level
fight or flight, our liver is offline, our kidneys are
working at minimal capacity, are gas testinal tracks, they're not digesting.

(53:54):
You shouldn't eat when you're stressed. That's when you get
major amounts of stomach upset. And when we're in fight
or flight, we can't heal. We have to be in
what's called parasympathetic activity, and that is our rest and
relaxation digestion state, and our dogs have that same regulatory system.

(54:18):
It's actually quite beautiful, but a lot of dogs get
stuck in what's called sympathetic excess, and that is being
in fight or flight all the time. Not only is
their ball under the couch and no one cares, right,
but they're also dealing with all of your baggage. And
so you know, thousands of people say, rita, what is

(54:45):
the best thing that I could give my dog to
help them live longer? And I will tell you right now,
it is not an herb oh. It is to get
your stress in hand, figure out how to breed, figure out,
get more exercise, calm yourself down. You know, if you

(55:07):
have an emotional support dog or support dog, that dog
needs support really badly because they're taking everything in and
dogs are really good at that, but at a cost
because again, when our when we're stressed and our dogs
are stressed, you cannot heal your body. You can't even
hardly digest your food. And a lot of times when

(55:29):
I get a dog that I'm helping, you know, I
help a lot of vets with like hard cases. When
I get a dog, I look at their stress level
and a lot of times I'll deal with that and
like their reactivity goes away, they're cooping in the house
goes away. The dogs it's peeing everywhere. You know, they
can't say hi to someone without peeing on themselves in

(55:52):
certain types of incontinence. It's all from stress. And also
like dogs with nutritional deficiency that are on really good diets,
it's because they're not assimilating their food because they're eating
when they're stressed. And so I talk a lot about
stress in my book and stress as a mirror to

(56:13):
what is going on in our lives. And it just
can't be it can't be underestimated it or over emphasized.
You know, we all know that we need to take
more time for ourselves. We need to do self care.
You need to you know, it's a cliche, but you
need to put your oxygen mask on before you can

(56:34):
help anyone else. And it's you know, and a lot
of people won't do something for themselves, they'll do it
for their dogs.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Also this comes from love. Get off the phone when
you're with your dog. They know that you're not present, ye, right,
And most people who are on their phone are in
a level a low level of fight or flight, right.
And dogs dogs want to be safe. We all want

(57:05):
to be safe, right. Safety is one of those things
that we need as a human species, and safety is
also sought as a dog, a cat, or other, you know, creatures,
and we don't smell safe to our animals. You know,
make when you walk your dog, make it your your

(57:27):
self care time. You know, bond with your dog, interact
with your dog, get out, leave the phone at home,
put it in your pocket, put it in your bag,
do whatever you you know, lock it in your car.
I don't know, but being available twenty four to seven
is stressful.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
It's amazing. The books called the Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism. Uh,
my guest today has been Rita Hogan, Rita. You have
a portion of the book and you call it herb Protocols,
and you say, every protocol is a success. What does
that mean?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, what it means is if you try a protocol
and it doesn't work, right, Yeah, you can look at
the herbs in that protocol, go to the back of
the book, and it's very easy to figure out herbs
using my system in the book. Go in the back
of the book, look at those herbs, look at the

(58:27):
everything's connected chapters, and you'll figure out, Okay, these herbs
didn't work because and when you find out the herbs
that don't work for your dog, you can write them
down and then try to use probably the it's probably
going to be the opposite of those herbs. You know,

(58:48):
if you're just picking herbs out of the sky, you know,
you got a fifty to fifty chance that they'll work. Right.
And I don't like the kitchen sink dogs either, So
we're not going to give like fifty teen herbs. We're
going to give like three or six herbs or maybe
one formula, and we give it for you know, six
to twelve weeks. And if we don't like, if you

(59:11):
don't have success in six to twelve weeks, if you're
not moving in the right direction, then either the dosage
is wrong or the herbs are wrong. So I think
you can utilize that information no matter what. I'm not
suggesting herbs in my book that are highly toxic that

(59:31):
are going to harm your dog. The signs that things
aren't working are pretty simple when it comes to dogs.
And this is after three days because it takes three
days for things to kind of settle in the body.
But itching, scratching, fighting, diarrhea, constipation, vomiting, those are not

(59:54):
like horrible vomiting, just you know, easy vomiting. It's easy
for dogs to vomit it's not like not like us.
They just puke very easily. And you know, those are
those are the things that you look for when a
uh an herb isn't working, or if you know you
can always give too much herbs and idea. I have

(01:00:16):
this section called Expectations and Healing in the book, So
I think expectations are really important in patients, like this
is what you look for. But if like you're on
an herbal program and you up the dose and your
dog's hair starts to thin and they might be start
to shed considerably in one area, then you probably have

(01:00:38):
too high of a dosage.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, oh, I explain all those things like when to
stop an herb, when to start an herb, how to
know if an herb is working, how much do you give?
I take the guesswork out of that. What type of
herb do you give? What form you know? Do you
give a powder, a glissert, a tincture? You know? All
of those questions are answered in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, and I have to say this, it's a wonderful
reference because if you're just beginning, you can read the
effects of each herb and add it lightly as a
supplement and then watch it. One of the other things
I want you to talk about real quickly as we're
concluding our time together read it is the fact that
when you use a drug, which is the allopathic method,

(01:01:24):
you're going to have an immediate effect pretty much, and
where you have herbs, it's more of a slow unveiling
and you have to take it takes more time. And
I think the big key you're saying is with herbs,
patience is very important. Talk about yeah for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, it's it definitely is you You need to have patients.
These are not pharmaceuticals. They don't work like pharmaceuticals. They
slow and steady wins the race. However, in the back
of the book, like the herbal resumes, I like to
call them the herbal resumes, they have this list of

(01:02:06):
cofactors and that's the symptoms that your dog. Symptoms are
conditions that your dog has or has had. And the
more matches in that list of cofactors that your dog has,
the better that herb is gonna work. So you know,
you first checked the energetics of the herb. Is it warming,

(01:02:28):
is it cooling, is it neutral? You know, and if
your dog is cool and the herb is warm. That's
a match. So you know that you can look at
that herb. So if you had a cool dog and
you were looking for something for yeast in the gut
and you looked up alive leaf in the back of
the book, it's going to say that that that herb

(01:02:51):
is warming, your dog is cooling. Your dog is cool,
and that herb is warm. So that's a match. So
you say, yeah, I can use olive leaf with my
And then you look at the cofactors and you have
eleven symptoms or conditions that kind of apply to your dog.
That's going to be a pretty good herb for your dog, right,

(01:03:13):
But if you are looking at another warming herb and
your dog only has one match on that cofactor list,
I'd probably look for a different herb because there's so
many and I also include pharmaceutical interactions. Yeah, and if
that herb can be used for cats.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Amazing, What a fascinating book I just started. I got
to chapter six. I was like, oh my god, did
you do an audible version of the book? Iriata?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yes, it is coming out. I do not know, probably
in the next few three monks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Fantastic. That must have been a bit of a labor
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
While yes, I read it myself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
All those diary how do you read a diagram that's
pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Oh my god, you have to go U extra small dog,
two drops, medium dog, four drops, after dog six drops.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
No, the engineer and I had to go to a
studio and it took an entire week to read this book.
And again it was something and I'm sure I'll have
to go back and make some changes, you know. They
then it goes to it like a audio editor, the
engineer and then someone who listens to me talk and
then reads the book at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, we don't have enough time to cover the whole book.
Rita has a section on essential oils using homeopathy and
again the herb Protocols, which are fantastic. It's very very
well written. I believe. Really it's for the beginner, or
I call them the advanced observer, someone who really knows

(01:04:49):
their animal very very well, which is excellent. So again,
the books called The Herbal Dog just came out and
it's a fantastic book. And and I would imagine the
audible version has references to your website so they can
see the charts and diagrams.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Right, yes, And in the book it says you know,
seetherbaldog dot com for more information like where to get herbs,
where to source herbs in all different countries. My book
is available in Australia and England and all that stuff.
And you know, if people want to connect with me,

(01:05:32):
I have a podcast of my own called Dogs or
Individuals that's every week. I have I'm on Facebook and
Instagram as canine Herbalist, and I have a teaching platform
where I have courses and I have a like an
advisory subscription group where I answer questions for a couple
hours a day, every day, every day, Monday through Friday.

(01:05:55):
That's like twenty five dollars a month. And you can
ask me anything even about human medicine because we work
with humans. And I have some courses on there. It's
canine Erbalism dot com. And then I have a store
and consultancy at canine erbalist dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
What's the website. What's the main website.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Again, canine Herbalist or canine Erbalism.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Okay, okay, you have both of them. Let me just
ask you read it. Some of you might be listening
that may have a real serious problem with their dog.
Do you do consultations as someone who's really got some problems?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I do, And I also work with a network of
students that have been working with me for five years,
like every single week, so and I have some great
holistic that's that I refer out to if it's more
complicated than something that we can handle, you know, because
we don't. We don't treat disease, but we help balance

(01:06:53):
out those organ systems.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah, fantastic, wonderful cover. By the way, The Herbal Dog
just came out and it's available on Amazon or wherever
you get your books. Rita, thank you and much success
on this wonderful book.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
You know, as I was reading this book, I was like,
this is way way too much. And then that was
the beginning and then you go to the back where
the references is and she really makes it easy and
simple to apply. You can start with real basic herbs
like making tinctures, or you can make tea, like just
boil some water and put a tea back in and

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then pour that over the food. And it's much easier
than I had thought. And that's the real thing is
people just don't have time. And that was a little
bit of a worry for me when I was reading this,
I was like, Wow, my god, this is gonna be
too much. But the book's very easy to read. It's
very simple, it's not that complex. And the beauty of

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it is she lists the various health issues and I'll
tell you it's so easy just to defer to your vet.
You know, my dog's vomiting, my dog's got a skin issue,
my dog's got something going on with his eye discharge something.
You know, so many things happen with your animals. And

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with this supplemental tool, this herb book, you can do
a lot to really enhance the treatments that your vet
is suggesting. In fact, in some cases you get so
good that you can defer. Rather than saying, hey, we
want to the vet wants to give your dog a
vaccine or steroids or something else. You can really look

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at the possibilities of working and being very much in
part with your dog's treatment programs. And that's really critical
because these drugs are very toxic. I mean, I've seen
more animals fade because they've been giving these powerful drugs,
and it's the same kind of thought form that I

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always talk about the allopathic approach of drugs, drugs, drugs,
and then God help you. If you have a dog
that has cancer, then it's like just it's dire because
you can be charged thousands of dollars for a treatment
program and then dog lives a few a few extra
weeks or months. And I think that you can avoid

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some of this issue if you take on supplementee your
animal's health with with herbal remedies. So check it out.
I think you might like it. And hey, go to
her website too. And by the way, if you're one
like me and you're not big on reading, check out

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her audible. I love audible. Audible is fantastic. So the
herbal dog holistic canine herbalism read a Hogan. I love
that we're gonna have her back when she finishes her
dog cancer book, because that's an industry on its own.
It's really a tough industry. When you get that prognosis

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from your vet, that's just sad. It makes people depressed.
So somebody can we'll have her back for We'll have
read her back for that material. Okay, that's it for
this episode of Destiny. I want to think. My guest today,
Rida Hogan in her new book The Herbal Dog. As always,

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the team of Gail tor Mark Foster and everyone who
makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right, Take
care of you well, and we will talk to you
next time.

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