Destiny: Umberto Visani, The Mysteries of Antarctica

“The Mysteries of Antarctica - Anomalies of a Forbidden Land” is an intriguing journey to the most remote continent on Earth. The authors methodically guide the reader through the annals of exploration, the lore of antiquity, and the enigma of history obscured by ice sheets. The text delves into the legends of lost civilisations, official and clandestine Nazi missions, and the hypothesis of hidden UFO bases, drawing upon conventional history and demonstrating how it itself provides substantial foundations for an alternative perspective on Antarctica, ranging from Atlantis to the controversies of the present day as reported by specific informants. The book combines elements of history, mystery and speculation, encouraging readers to contemplate the potential secrets that might lie hidden within one of the least explored regions on Earth.

Umberto Visani was born in Turin, Italy, in 1983. He graduated with honors from the Faculty of Law at the University of Turin. He is an independent researcher specializing in ufology, mysterious archaeology, and counter-information.He contributes to several national and international magazines, including Mistero Magazine, XTimes, UFO International Magazine, Revista UFO Brasil, and Fate Magazine. He has been a frequent guest on the Italian TV program Mistero, aired on Italia 1.He is the author of numerous books:

• Mondo Alieno: Ufo ed extraterrestri nella storia dell'umanità (Arethusa Edizioni, 2012)
• Mai stati sulla Luna? (Uno Editori, 2016)
• I Misteri dell’Umbria (Morlacchi Editore, 2017)
• Ufo: le prove (Edizioni Segno, 2018)
• Ufo: i casi perduti (Edizioni Segno, 2019)
• Scomparsi (Uno Editori, 2020)
• Missioni Apollo e misteri dello spazio (Edizioni Segno, 2021)
• Ufo. I documenti ufficiali (Età dell’Acquario Edizioni, 2023)
• Esseri anomali dall’ignoto co-authored with Matteo Martini (Nexus Edizioni, 2023)
• Sotto l’Antartide co-authored with Gianluca Lamberti (FacciamoFintaChe Edizioni, 2024)
• https://www.facebook.com/visanium/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, welcome to Destiny. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning, and
I do hope you're doing well today. I do, I honestly, heartfelt,
do hope you're doing well. Hey, we're talking about Antarctica.
And I haven't brought up Antarctica very much because it's
a challenge. It's really a challenge until we can get

(00:41):
boots on the ground, it's gonna be theories, it's gonna
be legends, it's gonna be myths. And you know, I've
resisted having a variety of people on the show because
it's all It goes nuts. It goes from UFO site
to creatures, it goes to conspiracy theories. But I gotta

(01:08):
tell you, when we start breaking it down, there is
a lot of insanity, a lot of creepiness, a lot
of weird actions that are taken when we talk about
the place known as Antarctica. My interest is multifold, and
it begins with Charles Hapgood. And if you don't know

(01:29):
Charles Hapcood, he wrote a number of books. The most
noted is The Maps of Ancient Sea Kings, which has
to do with these very unusual maps, most notably the
Peri Reese map, which reveals Earth thousands and thousands of
years before recorded history. And one of the most unusual

(01:52):
features is a north pole without snow. And the other
features are that are noted are the perimeters of noted continents,
but places a Peri Reese and the ships that he
drove in the fourteen hundreds had no idea of their

(02:16):
I mean their locations that are unknown to the world
at that time. The speculation by Charles Hapcoot is that
the map was drawn by a very highly advanced culture
thousands and thousands of years before our written history, in
fact so old that it goes way beyond the Sumerians,

(02:38):
way before the pre dynastic or dynastic Egyptians, goes all
the way back to what he believes was a place
known as Atlantis. And this is a college professor. But
what a lot of people don't know is Charles Hapcot
was also an intelligence officer during the war Second World War.

(03:00):
It was extremely bright. In fact, he regularly corresponded with
Albert Einstein and pasted his theories along to Einstein, and
one of his theories was what is known as crustal
displacement where the Earth's continents move given different catastrophic events.

(03:21):
Now here we go again, catastrophic events are in this
case nine five hundred years ago, approximately twelve thousand years ago,
this bombardment of asteroids in the Pacific and in the
what is region considered North America. Now, we still do

(03:42):
not know the extent of the damage, but Randall Carlson,
who we've had on a lot, and many other authors
hypothesized that it was a terminating event to a degree.
It destroyed most of the known civilizations, a number that
are not known except we have some, we have some

(04:03):
skeletal remains, but damaged the planet severely. And this is
what Halfgod believes is that not only was the Earth shifted,
but his belief and a number of others, is that
present day Antarctica is the former continental island known as Atlantis.

(04:28):
So we're gonna get into that today and we're gonna
we're gonna speculate, and we're gonna hear evidence. And I
gotta tell you, it's been real fun for me to
find our guest today because he's not an American. He's
an Italian and his name is Umberto Vesani and he
is a prolific writer, but he's also very careful not

(04:53):
to make certain claims. And he's like me, this material
is fascinating. I want to know more. But until we
hear more from researchers, until we get more solid evidence,
we can only speculate. And his book we're talking about
today is The Mysteries of Antarctica. It just came out

(05:15):
in the English version. I really recommend that you who
are interested to go out and get it. You can
get it on Amazon. But I'm going to tell you
right off the bat, we're not going to get into
the UFO side of things. We're not going to get
into what Admiral Bird found in nineteen forty. We're going

(05:35):
to talk a little bit about the Nazis. My primary
interest is the possible discovery of the place otherwise known
as Atlantis, and there's been a lot of reflection, a
lot of speculation from Linda Moulton Howe, and she has
talked to whether it's known as whistleblowers who have through

(05:59):
military campaign, excavated parts of the Antarctica Ridge and found ruins. Now,
the really challenging part of that declaration is the fact
that we have no pictures from her. We have no
photographs from the whistleblowers. It's all word of mouth. And

(06:22):
this is where I kind of like drop the anchor
and say no, I'm sorry, give us some material. Fortunately,
the book we're talking about today, The Mysteries of Antarctica,
has a number of photographs that are very peculiar. On
the surface of Antarctica. Remember it's two mile it's a
two mile thick bed of ice from the top of

(06:47):
the ice glacier or pack, to the to the land mass.
And so what we're looking at is more recent buildings,
although they are very many thousands of years old. I
will place them on the Facebook page. They'll also be
on the YouTube channel that you can check out. And

(07:08):
there's something to check out, there's something to look at,
there's something to consider when we talk about Antarctica. But
I again, I have not been interested in bringing up
Antarctica because there's so much mythology, there's so much speculation.
There's nobody there doing any testing, there's no excavations that

(07:30):
we know about, there's no universities that are allowed there.
It's a military installation. And this is what's well and
we'll talk about this date. This is the other thing
that's a problem is that there's there's no one allows
is allowed to land and explore the continent, and there's

(07:50):
a no flight zone on it, and there is reportedly
thousands of scientists there doing what we don't know, but
you know who knows what's going on? Uh is it's creepy,
it's it's it's weird. Why we can't get on, you know,
poots on the ground and look at it. And if

(08:13):
there are ruins, if there's a big hush hush, top
secret UH status placed on this continent, then maybe they
know something. Now if it is the remains of Atlantis,
that's hot stuff, and why we wouldn't know more about

(08:35):
it as anyone's guests. Again, here we go. The authorities
don't want us to know about our ancient past. This
is what Earth Ancients is all about. Cover ups, rejections
of data by non orthodox researchers, and all kinds of
other fun funny business about the the rejection or the

(08:59):
revelation of the possibilities of an ancient civilization. So we
got to get it in bits and pieces, and we
got to get it in whatever way we can. And
so today's program is the Mysteries of Antarctica, and my
guest is Italian research investigator author Alberto Vizani. The Earth

(09:21):
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(09:50):
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it's like when you have a tune fork and then

(10:11):
you have another tune fork and they will resonate with
the same frequency. So when we're on top of a pyramid,
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field resonate like this cavity.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
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(10:48):
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(11:35):
deal of interest in Antarctica, and I've had a number
of people on the program talking about it very briefly.
But today we have a journalist, an author, a research
investigator who's actually done a thorough investigation of Antarctica with
his new book, The Mysteries of Antarctica. My guest today

(11:55):
is Alberto Vesani. He is an Italian writer. He's written
a number of books, but he's also a regular contributor
to MS Terrow Magazine, Fate Magazine, UFO International Magazine, X Times.
He is very, very prolific, and this new book that

(12:16):
I have been looking at is a real excellent look
at just what is happening and why there's so much
interest in Antarctica. And as we'll hear today, some of
the reasons that we need to pick a little bit
closer attention to what's going on there, So Umberto Welcome

(12:37):
to Destiny. Great to have you on the program I Place.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. It's
a great opportunity for me.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
What spurred your interest in Antarctica. Was it just all
the rumors and stories and strangeness of Antarctica or was
there something more that was of interest to you.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Well, my first interest started reading the book by Rose
and Flann, The Ministers of Antarctica, especially the Connection with Atlantists.
That was my first book on that topic, which really
interested me because you know, when you have to link

(13:21):
Antarctica and atlantist it's a great deal, you know. So
that was my first look into the topic, and I
was so intrigued because you know, when you know, you
talk about Atlantists and you think, oh, Atlantists might have
been in the Atlantic Ocean maybe, or you think about

(13:43):
the Plato's Dinalogues and you think, okay, that was part
of Gibraltar in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. When
you have to think about Atlantis being so far away
and so distant from me usual location, it's a great,
big deal. So that really intrigued me, and I started

(14:07):
to think, oh, maybe Antarctica might hide something, and that's
why I started to look into that with a more
thorough approach. And that's why I started to investigate. And
I was so intrigued also by the topic of the
strange maps from the past, because you know, there are

(14:28):
so many maps ancient maps. Just think about the TV
Rays map. He was a Turkish admiral and in this
famous map you can see the whole coastline of South
America Africa. But if you look south than that, you

(14:48):
can see the Antarctica coastline. So how come how is
it possible? You know that Antarctica was discovered in the
nineteenth century, at the beginning of nineteenth century eighteen twenty
if I can remember, and so if you can see
you can clearly see the Antarctic coastline in such an

(15:12):
ancient map. How come it's so strange? But it erasing map.
It's not the only map. You can see also in
the Ronto Finale map. You can see in the Market
Towards map. So many maps from the past clearly show
the Antarctic coastline. But and this is even stranger. These

(15:35):
coastlines are eyes free. I mean, there's no ice on
these coastlines. So that's extremely strange because you know, if
you start to talk with some geologists and some experts
of the ancient weather, of course the Antarctic land was

(15:59):
always filled with eyes. So it's even stranger. And we
have to think about that these masks maybe were made
taken into consideration even earlier mass so we here we
go into a farther past. I mean, when we can

(16:23):
see the Antarctic coastline with no eyes, maybe thousands of
years ago. So it's it's a brand new way of
trying to understand what happened in the past. I mean,
it's even stranger than everything in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
You do bring up Charles Hapgood who wrote a fascinating
book Ancient Maps of Ancient Sea Kings, and he actually
highlights this Peri Reese map, which we've talked a little
bit about here. What makes it absolutely incredible is it's
almost like someone was flying in an aircraft above these

(17:04):
continents and drew very accurate coastal perimeters of the various continents.
And I think you even mentioned that it's possible that
the maps that Perry Reis used to create the map
that he had were thousands and thousands of years old.

(17:26):
So yeah, and so it's possible that a very advanced
civilization created those maps. Talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I think so because Peter Race map is too accurate,
is too good for try to venture different hypotheses. I mean,
the coastline is so accurate that the entire dediction of

(17:57):
the lands, I mean both Africa and southern America so
very it's so clear. So how come how is it
possible that ancient mariners from sixteenth century could draw such
a precise map. It's extremely unclear how it could go happen.

(18:23):
So I think that maybe with the famous Alexandria Library,
you know, the ancient Egyptian library, maybe something went into
oblivion with the infamous burning of the library. So I

(18:45):
think there might have been some ancient maps which keep
the idea of depicting these modern maps. So Bitter Race
maybe come into knowledge of a precise and accurate ancient,
much more ancient map. But I think that's the key

(19:08):
point is that the Antarctica do not depict the ice.
So that's the de clear point. I mean, a free,
a nice free Antarctica dates back in now such a
long past, so that's the question.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, it's probably tens of thousands of years old when
they that map was was made. Would you you consider
that as a possible date extreme.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Age, that's the most probable time and date, because you know,
that's the so called anti the Luvian Age. I mean,
that's the most likely time where something odd happened. All

(20:00):
the civilization talk about something really strange that happened in
about ten hundreds ten thousands years ago, so that's a
period where something incredible happened. You know. Also, the Incas
talked about the the luge. It's maybe in French to

(20:24):
the luge. You know, it's an extreme weather condition that
happened those days. So also the Incas talked about Atslan,
so at Slan and plant is sound very similar. So
maybe there was a common origin, a common memory of

(20:47):
the something that happened all that times ago.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Talk a little bit about this other map that you feature,
which is the Horizon Boronzo map, and it also has
Antarctica that is ice free, and also it's very very accurate.
Do we know an age for that map.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's just a bit later. I mean, it's also from
the seventeenth century and in that map too, you can
clearly see the ice free coastline, so it's totally uncommon.
It's extremely strange. And the same goes for market Ors map.

(21:32):
So it's full of maps from that age that show
the Antarctic coastline totally free of ice. Also some minor
maps that you can find in some towns here in
Italy to depict the Antarctic coastline totally free of ice.

(21:55):
It's something so strange, but I'm pretty surprised that nobody
seemed to care. I mean, it'd be so so clear
that it's so obvious. It's so clear to me that
those maps do really depict Antarctica, but nobody really seemed

(22:17):
to care.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's funny because you have to wonder why the Nazis
under Hitler were so intrigued by Antarctica to the point
of requisitioning submarines and a great expense. You actually write
about this, at great expense headed to Antarctica, but we
don't know what they were doing. What do we think

(22:40):
they were doing when they went there?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh, that's that's a great mystery. Hitler was kind of
obsessed with Antarctica, and there's a famous declaration by Admiral
Dunits who admitted about building a base in Antarctica. That's
not scifey. That's a reality that decoration is. It's part

(23:09):
of history, it's not science fiction. So many missions and
expeditions were made to Antarctica by the German Navy and
especially to the so called nouschbaben Land, many missions with
U boats and the likes. So this is part of history.

(23:33):
It's not something concocted or invented. So I think they
were trying to establish some kind of bays there. I
mean they were trying to eat something, maybe a base.
Maybe they were trying to hide. I mean, if you're

(23:55):
noticing that you're losing the war, maybe you can try
to to free you can try to take there everything
that you think might come handy in the future. I mean,
you know about all the extremely advanced aviation technology of

(24:17):
the German I mean just think about the Horten frying
wing that was so advanced. It was a prototype that
was extremely advanced for that age. And this is history. Also,
like many other prototypes, we are not heading into the

(24:44):
strong territory. I mean, if you talk about maybe the
Haunabus Okay or the b seven. Okay, that's much more debated,
I know. But when you talk about the Horton buying wing,
when you talk about the the glock, I mean the
glocky is the bell in English. Yeah, the copies is large,

(25:09):
and you know there were real prototypes. I think that
this technology might have been taken to Antarctic, and I
mean they were losing the war. They were they know
that the future would have been extremely difficult for them,

(25:32):
so why not trying to establish a base so far away.
I think this is a history. I mean there have
been many books in the fifties and in the seventies
and sixties as well about what I would call a

(25:54):
counter history of upology. I mean, there were many writers,
just like Aundel, who wrote about the idea that the
so called euphosm were not extraterrestial, but they would have

(26:14):
been German prototypes. That's a great mystery, that's to be honest.
I don't think that's reality. I mean, I think youthhos
were not German prototypes, but that's just my opinion. But
in the sixties so many authors wrote about that. There

(26:41):
were many theories about this because then you know, the
first signing by Kenneth Arnold in Washington State, June twenty fourth,
nineteen forty seven. That's the start of modernthology. And some

(27:02):
people said, Okay, those fine discs, we're not coming from elsewhere,
We're not coming from other space. Maybe they were gentleman prototypes.
It's an extreme I thought was this. I know. But

(27:23):
when you start to try to connect the dots, I mean,
when you try to look at the bigger picture, you
start to understand that maybe these theories there are not
so theres I mean, are not so strange or uncanny.

(27:48):
Maybe something real is really there. I mean, yeah, so
if you talk about the Nazi connection hit I was
obsessed with the South Ball. Real missions were taken there
to the South Board, and maybe the so advanced the

(28:11):
German technology was really taken there, and you know, maybe
really they managed to create what they used to call
a base two hundred eleven, the so called last outposts.
This might be real because if you when you start

(28:32):
also thinking about and you know, birds, operation high jump,
that's such a strange operation. Its aims and goals are
so hard to define. I mean what they were bird
trying to do? I mean operations high jumped from an

(28:57):
external point of view, seems to be more a military
operation than I seevil operation. I mean, there were so
many ships, so many military equipment. So also think about

(29:18):
that Admiral Bert's declaration to Chilean magazine. Admiral Bert said,
and I think that in the near future, the most
dangerous manners in the future will come from the poles.

(29:39):
That's it so strange to me, I.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Mean, come from where?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
From the poles, from all the poles. Wow, the South
Pole and a north boat where it's uh, it's weird,
you know, it's uh, yeah, police strange to hear that
from an admiral because you know, maybe orter bears can
windsor what else. So, and that's a real declaration to

(30:10):
Chilean magazine. So it's not concocted, it's not invented, it's real.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Can you talk a little bit about the American Admiral Bird,
because his Operation high Jump was in the nineteen forty,
just before the Second World War, and he made a
number of outrageous discoveries, including what he thinks of as

(30:37):
an inner Earth or hollow Earth, because he flew for
so many hours thinking he was in the north I
think it was a North Pole and he just kept flying.
Talk a little bit about why his contributions are important
to have in a discussion on Antarctica.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, this is i hartily debated claimed by Admiral Bird,
because the his diaries are debated, especially the diary about
this some kind of last expedition, because he clearly talked

(31:20):
about an encounter with some strange people let's call them
this way. I mean, he clearly talked about encountering some
kind of master, I mean some kind of sage person,
kind of some kind of wizard. Maybe we can call

(31:43):
him this way. He talked about seeing an entrance to
the whole. The strange thing is that the people he
met were talking in a strange language, and people were
talking also in German. And that's why many people thought, oh,

(32:10):
he was talking with German people. That's that's a proof
of that.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
But no, I was just agreeing with you. It sounds
very strange. He was talking and he was talking with
people that spoke in German.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, these people were talking in German and they looked
like German people, you know, so blant here. The strange
thing was that he saw some kind of city there.
The weather conditions were different. It was not so cold,

(32:51):
there were green places, I mean not only ice. So
also the description of the lands. It's strange. These people
seem to have a city. There were buildings there. It
was not maybe just a base a normal days. Also

(33:16):
let's talk about the what might be or not be normal,
so we should always talk about this. But he described
a real city, so not only a base. That's why
many researchers sometimes tend to try to diminish the importance

(33:39):
of this diary because they say, oh no, this can't
be real. There's no certification of what the was really
talking about. So that's why this is so actually debated.
But I think that if we want to be sure
and if we want to stay inside the realm of

(34:04):
history with capital age, the decoration to the Challean magazine
is it's so weird because you can't say there would
be a menace from seuth Pole and non Pole. It's terrible.
I mean, it's something you can think about that and

(34:28):
just try to wait for the next years to come
and see what comes next. And when you see the
mainy UFOs all over the sky, just think about the
fly over Washington nineteen fifty two. That was a show

(34:50):
up of such a aerial superiority. So what if they
were really coming from the south or they were really
German airplanes German prototypes and I don't think so, but
that's an hypothesis. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
The thing that's interesting to talk about Umberto though, is
that large portions of Antarctica are off limits and there
are no fly zones, which is very particular. You know,
if a jet could fly close to Antarctica, it could

(35:31):
probably save a lot of time in flight hours. So
why do you think and what do you reason there
is a no fly zone in parts of Antarctica are
off limits.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
That's a great question. And that's something that adds some
mystery to the whole topic too, because you know, if
you can't go there really, I mean if you would
like to go there, you can't. I mean you have
to give a specific authorization. You have to maybe get

(36:08):
a work a job there, so it's not free to
go there. You have to be employed by a scientific
base or something like that. So you can't decide, Okay,
next summer, I'm linking to South or no, you can't.
There's also a no flight zone, and that's why many

(36:29):
people started to think, oh, they are trying to hide
something from us. And but the next question is what
are they trying to hide? So that's the real question.
I think that many important people, I mean politicians, religious characters,

(36:58):
like the Pope, like the paveearchs, all these people try
to come to Antarcta and they can't. They can go
to Antarcta, they go there, nobody knows really why. I mean,
you see, also John Kerry went to Antarctica some years ago.

(37:19):
Prince William went to Antarctica. The Argentinian Prime Minister Milay
went to Antarctica. So why, I mean, there are so
many places in the world, and why Antarctica. That's really
strange to me because the circleed normal people can't go

(37:42):
to Antarctica. Really, there seem to be so many prohibitions
going there. So why. That's something that really puzzles me.
Because there are no clear answers, so you don't have
an answer. Then you start trying to figure out some uh,

(38:08):
some theories, something that could explain that. And if you
can't find a real explanation, then you start to wander.
You start to try to find some answers that you
cannot find in the in the real world.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I mean, you know, yeah, it's very curious. We're gonna
take a short break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves,
and we will return shortly with my guest today, Umberto Visani,
presenting details on his new book just released in English,
The Mysteries of Antarctica. We'll be right back with you.

(39:31):
My guest today is the Italian research investigated and author
Amberto Vizani. He has written a new book called The
Mysteries of Antarctica. This is really an excellent look at
the mysteries of this forgotten continent. Can you tell us
a little bit about the Antarctica Treaty that was signed

(39:53):
in nineteen fifty nine, which is very odd because it
states that this continent does not belong to any country,
and I found that just amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That's strange as well, because it's some kind of treaty
that makes you makes the countries totally uncapable of doing
anything with regards to Antarctica. I mean, you can't as

(40:28):
a as a nation go there and decide to do
whatever you do. I mean, there are only scientific bases,
so there are scientific outposts. Many people go there as scientists.
There is an one case that came to my mind

(40:50):
and it regard the a scientist whose surname was Dish.
I can't remember his name. It was nineteen sixty six
and Carldish was working there on a base and one

(41:11):
day just working in this base, just going outside in
a totally nobody's land, I mean, there were no people
out there. Carl Dish was just doing some scientific research
and he vanished. He was nowhere to be seen. And

(41:36):
this is so strange. This might be connected to the
to a great mystery to me, which is the for
one one missing, missing for one one mystery, because Carldish
vanishing in Antarctica is a typical missing for one on
one case and this is the only one I know

(41:58):
about this connect to Antarctica, and that really puzzles me alive.
So he was in a scientific base, he was working,
according to everything, and he vanished. He was totally like
he was abducted. Who knows how. But this case is

(42:23):
maybe the most puzzling one connected to Antarctica. Yeah, that's
why he came to my mind.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yet, you know, it's interesting you write in your research
that there's ongoing experiments and research and that up to
four thousand scientists are currently based in Antarctica. What are
they doing? What are they researching?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Is there a great question there? Officially their researching about
the weather conditions in the class yeaheah. Maybe the fauna
and flora have of such an outlandish land, you know,
but I don't think what they're really doing, yeah, because

(43:11):
it's it's so strange to me to hear that so
many people are there in such a strange land doing
who knows what. So I think maybe some people should
go there and try to look into this, but you know,

(43:32):
we can go there, So it's it's an an impossible
situation to solve because they were there, but you can't
go there. And if you go there, you should be
a scientist, so you would become the another scientist. So
it's it's a strange circle, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah. I want to kind of go back a little
bit and talk about Charles Hagood and also Ran flem Ath,
who wrote a book on Atlantis. Their theory is that, well,
I should say Charles Hapgood's theory was that there was
massive crustal displacement during a catastrophic event that happened approximately

(44:16):
nine thousand, five hundred BC, and it was so devastating
that it shifted the planet's continents and moved what we
think of was Atlantis in Atlantic Ocean to the present
position of Antarctica. Can you talk a little bit about
Hapgood's theory and why he believes and many others believe

(44:43):
that Antarctica is Atlantis.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Well, I think that many researchers are getting to the
same point. Half Good then also Griham Hancock in maloin
Bellikok's King Body talked about past civilizations. I mean civilization
we do not know about coming from such a faraway past.

(45:14):
I mean, you talked about eighty one hundred, eighty thousand
years ago. So there are no there is no evidence
about that. But if you hear green pan Coco studies,
if you hear in Manobolikovsky's studies, everybody talks about the
existence of this massive astronomical events in the past, something

(45:43):
that changed the orbit. So maybe we know that nowadays
the weather is somehow stable. I mean, there were times
in the near past, especially in fifteenth century. Let's think

(46:05):
about the Vikings going to Newfoundland. That's history now, so
the weather was a little bit different, but not so different.
When we talk about Antarctica being a green land in
the past, you know, the weather must have been massively

(46:28):
different than now. So I think that maybe a big
astronomical event really did happen in the past, something that
changed the orbit. Maybe there were a past civilization. There's

(46:49):
a team here in Italy, the so called Ravdot Team,
which invented a strange mechanism which could see under the ground.
I mean, with this mechanism, you should be able to

(47:11):
see many things that a lot of the yards under
the the soil under the ground. So this team as
certainly allegedly saw something something strange in with this mechanism.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Hold on a second, virtual are you talking about the
Star Team with Filippo.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
That's that's a that's another team. I'm talking about the
Wrap the team and a mechanism that existed before the
Star Team because there was.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
The software application with satellite imagery or something else.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
It's something else, And there's also some mystery around this mechanism.
So the real ways it works are not so clear.
But in my own personal opinion, I think that they

(48:20):
might have seen really something. So it may sound strange,
I know, but if you connect the dots, Graham, Hancock,
Deli Kowski, the Rap the team, everybody's somehow telling the

(48:41):
same thing. There were past civilizations. This is not the
first civilization. There was a faraway past where different humanities lived.
So I think that maybe one day made the massive

(49:03):
eyes of Antarctica ne show something so strange that everybody
will say, okay, this is real. I mean, if you
look at Google Earth, there are some researchers who allegedly
saw pyramid pyramids strange places. So you know, when there

(49:32):
are such thick layers of eyes, maybe under the size
there might be something nobody knows about. But what the
future holds is still unplayer.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
So see, I'm wondering if some of these ground penetrating
technologies like ground penetrating radar or the stars have been
used in Antarctica. And this is why there's such a
large military presence, because they know there's ruins down there

(50:06):
and they are protecting them. They don't want the word
to get out because if these ruins are publicized and reported,
it'll change our understanding with history, and they don't want
to rewrite history.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Well, I think that the military establishment do have far
more advanced technology, so I think that if they want
to see what really lies beneath the surface, they can
do this. What really puzzles me. Is a change of

(50:47):
narrative of narration. I mean, you know, in the fifties, sixties,
and seventies, everybody talked about Nazi bases, German out posts
in Antarctica. Then a sudden change starting from the nineties,

(51:07):
nobody was talking about German anymore, and people talked about
military bases, military corporation with aliens. I mean, there are
many whistle blowers, there are many deep throats who started

(51:28):
to talk about the existence of facilities, the existence of
bases where there were military and also aliens. That's so
strange to me. I mean, why such a change? What happened?

(51:48):
I think the answer is not so clear because all
these people come from the military establishment. I mean, Eric
Packard carry Good. They are all from the military establishment.
So when someone comes out of that establishment and starts

(52:13):
telling I was there, I worked on a base. I
was there, and I also saw the other people working there,
so my testimony backs up his presence. That's strange to me,
because how can we think that they're telling the truth,

(52:40):
are retaining the group or not? This is so strange
to me. I mean, sometimes whistle browers are not such shame,
fear and trustworthy people because it comes to mind that

(53:02):
they might be following an agenda. Yeah, they might be.
They might they may be telling things according to an agenda.
So I'm not so keen on believe in the whistleblowers.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Corey Good. I think eventually
he was discredited as being a fabricator of information and
his claims were just so outrageous about working with aliens
and UFOs, and he just became a joke.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So yeah, I'm good. Is is not so good?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Cory Good? Yeah, exactly. I do want to bring up
Linda Moulton how now, and she was of course, she's
an award win journalists. I know Linda personally. She found
out about a number of military operations in Antarctica and

(54:13):
connected with a person who's a former seal Navy seal
guy identified as Spartan one. And I'd like to have
you talk a little bit about this, because this begins
to show us that it's possible there are archaeological ruins
of great significance. Who tell if you can't tell us

(54:36):
a little bit about the Spartan one's credentials and also
what he discovered.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, many people talked about the existence of the ruins
in Antarctica, and this scenario, I think it's trio. Maybe
it looks like out of a an hpl our Fields
Lovecraft tale that seems to be real. At the Mountain

(55:07):
of Madness by hpl is a tale that I read
some years ago, and it talks about the discovery in
Antarctica of the ruins of an ancient civilization, some divinities
from any odd past. I think this scenario might be

(55:31):
real because when some whistle blowers start to come out
and they've talked about such a scenario, who knows, maybe
there are real ruins. Some months ago I saw a

(55:52):
drawing maybe that was coming from from a whistle blower
on the Internet, and it depicted the theory an ancient base.
I mean, hm, people were digging the ground there. So

(56:12):
I'm pretty sure that something is happening Antarctica. Some research
are being held there. So you know, it's always hard
to understand the whole picture because nobody has or been

(56:35):
hents at hand. But when you start seeing all these
situations as a whole, then you start understanding that they
are hiding something from us. So I think the bigger
picture is showing something extremely of interest for us all.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Would you say the reason that we're not learning about
it is that it's so traumatic and so revealing that
it would shock people because it would force us not
only to try to understand who the civilization was, number one,
but also how they got there, because you know.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Well, with regards to the past, I think that there
would be some kind of cultural shock. I mean, when
you hear from the authorities that the past is totally
different from what they've been taught at school, you start
questioning your authorities. You start saying, oh, they were all

(57:50):
lying to us, so how can I trust them anymore
any longer? Exactly So, I think this is the main
reason that prevents governments from telling us the truth. This
is the main reason, in my opinion, But there's also

(58:10):
maybe a subparle reason. I mean with regards to the
actrestrial hypothesis, with the YOUTHHOS problem, especially in the over
the last few years, you know, the narration has traumatically changed.

(58:33):
I mean, as of twenty years ago, the main stand
of the authorities was, Okay, everything is is invented. The
UFOs are not real, or they are just real in
the minds of those who drink too much. So this

(58:56):
is not true. The uthos did not exist. They are misrepresentation,
they are miss the identifications. That was the main stand
of authorities as of twenty years ago. Then something changed dramatically.
Just think about the tic TAC sning. Just let's think

(59:23):
about the US Navy s I things, the three famous videos,
and everybody then started to say, yes, the youth of
phenomenon is real. We do not know what it is.
We tend to exclude this might be a prototype from

(59:50):
from another nation. We tend to school this, but we
might imagine that this could come from the out space.
So the so called actor wrestle hypocausis started to be
taken into consideration. And this is a massive change from

(01:00:11):
a political perspective. But there's a great boot in this.
I don't think that necessary. This is the real truth.
Maybe you know about the Professor mid Lane. The Professor
mid Lane was a professor in the forties and fifties,

(01:00:35):
and on July the eighth, nineteen forty seven, which is
famous date, he wrote a letter to the authorities, to
the government. And this is a an outstanding letter to

(01:00:56):
me because in this letter he talked about the UFO phenomenon,
and he said, I'm a professor, I'm heaving a team
of of researchers of the Striddit researches, and I do

(01:01:19):
know what youuphos really are. They are not coming from
other space, they are not from other planets. They are
from other dimensions. They are here because they want to

(01:01:39):
settle here. And this is extremely dangerous. I mean when
you hear that, when you hear somebody saying that youthhos
are here because they want to settle here, I mean,
it's so dangerous for all of us, so strange to hear,

(01:02:02):
it's so terrifying. So Professor Midlane, in my opinion, was
extremely close to the truth, because in my opinion, I'm
close to the Junkiel and Jacques Pallet's standing. I mean,

(01:02:22):
in my opinion, the so called very physical hypothesis is
much more trustworthy and credible than the exceterrestrial hypothesis. But
this is just my opinion, and mid Lane was so
close to the truth that I think that what is

(01:02:44):
happening over the last few years, this sudden change of narration,
is maybe another trick from the authorities, and the trick
from the government, because they're starting to say Okay, we
cannot deny the existence of UFOs anymore. We have to
start admitting the truth of the whole situation. So at

(01:03:10):
the same time, we can't say the real truth, so
we have to point to another direction. You have to say, Okay,
there will be extra restial presence, might be real, but
not to talk about the probable existence of something so subtle,

(01:03:32):
so weird, so difficult to understand, because I mean, if
you're a normal person who lives his everyday life, I
mean you maybe think about, Okay, there might be some
far away planets with some civilizations may be similar to us,

(01:03:56):
but you are pretty confident that they won't come in
next day, just like in end, stay moving, so you
are pretty sure that you will continue living your own life.
But if you start thinking that there might be some
other dimensions, some other planes of reality, that's extremely difficult

(01:04:24):
to accept because maybe you start thinking, okay, if there
are some other dimensions, maybe these entities that are here
are coming not from the aerospace, but they are coming
from this Maybe they're just coming from okay, another dimension,

(01:04:44):
but they are already here. So that's so hard to
understand and so hard to accept.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify the cells, and we will return
shortly with my guests today, Umberto Visani introducing his new book,
The Mysteries of Antarctica. Will be right back. My guest

(01:05:55):
today is Umberto Visani. He has written a new book
called The Mysteries of Antarctica. This is one of the
best books I've read on the topic, simply because it
covers most of the grounds, including mythology, recent history, and
some of the current theories behind its mystery. Can you

(01:06:18):
expand a little bit on this whistleblow or spartan one,
because he presents a discovery that was made of an
octagonal shaped structure. It was found in the Beard Moor
Glacier area, and I hadn't heard about this before, and

(01:06:41):
I wondered exactly what he was able to talk about
with Linda Howe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Well, you know, I think that the but of proof
is always on the people who come out and and
make such a bold statement, because you know, it was
car set and we said that if you have extraordinary

(01:07:13):
things to say, you have to put forward the extraordinary
evidence or something like that. So this would change everything,
I mean, the presence of such a structure in Antarctica
would change history books. And when I hear those descriptions

(01:07:37):
by whistle rowers, I would love to see some evidence,
to see some proofs, because you know, it's so easy
somehow to come out and say, Okay, I was there,
I saw an artificial structure, there were researchers, there were

(01:07:58):
military assets, there were also alien devices. Okay, that's great
to hear, but show me some evidence. Yeah, that's something
that always lacks in my opinion. I mean, these whistle
blowers should come out and show some photographs, show something.

(01:08:24):
In this view, I think that the Gary McKinnon case
is outstanding this from this point of view, because you
know Gary McKinnon, the Scottish hacker and no, Gary McKinnon
was a nineteen sixty six guy from Glasgow, Scotland, and

(01:08:51):
he was a nerd guy. He was so obsessed with
computers in the late eighties and in the nineties and
he managed to assess the n S A, FBI, NASA computers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
So he hacked their computer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, absolutely, he hacked them and what he saw was
the landish was extraordinary. I mean he saw the existence
of peril peril space programs, I mean space programs nobody

(01:09:35):
knows about. So he read about the existence of the
USS ships, I mean not the the third the second
S stands for space, so US space ships. And he

(01:09:56):
read about the existence of or p Is spaceships, and
about being the existence of structures on the Moon that
were hidden by NISA. There were different folders in those computers,

(01:10:21):
different folders before and after being photoshocked, So that was
beyond any conceivable experience. I mean what it found was
so important, which is I mean the most important thing

(01:10:42):
is that if you hear something from the so called
whistle blows, you know, they can say everything and none
of them gets prosecuted. On the contrary, Gary McKinnon was

(01:11:03):
extremely prosecuted. I mean he was condemned to seventeen years
of a conviction in jail. He was a Scottish citizen
so it couldn't be extradated to the United States, and

(01:11:27):
that's why he didn't go to jail in the US.
But he was prosecuted. On the contrary or the whistle
bowers can say whatever they want and none of them
gets prosecuted. So that's a big difference to me, and

(01:11:48):
that's why I think that Gary McKinnon did really hack
the NAC computers and what is said is extremely close
to the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Give us what details you can about this octagonal shaped object,
what we know? What technology was used? Did they dig
two miles of ice into the this octagonal thing or
was it imaged with some kind of scanning technology.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Well, as far as I can remember, this structure was
found ye in the ice and they started to dig
the whole area and then they found something that really
resembled an ancient structure. But the question is how come

(01:12:47):
such a structure? What is its origin? And unfortunately there
are no clear answers. Because you know, we should go there,
we should have a look there, we should see some photographs,
because that's what really makes me mad. I mean, every

(01:13:12):
time there are such a bold decorations, there are no photographs,
no videos, or maybe sometimes they are made with the AI,
so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Oh my god. Yeah, that really makes a mess of
every thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Yeah, absolutely so, especially over the last few years. The
AI intervention is so so bad in this field because
everything you see might be unreal. So I would love
to see something. I would love to be stunned by

(01:13:50):
the existence of something we didn't do, not know about,
and this would be a great chance to see something.
But with regards to this octagonal structure, I couldn't see
anything but a rough drawing. So I'm I'm at a loss.

(01:14:13):
I'm speechless because I would like to see something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
And yet Linda Moulton Hoow takes this guy's word, you know,
as being you know, the final thought on this whole thing.
One of the areas that comes up that you write
about this octagonal shape is the discovery of hieroglyphics that
are a combination of Egyptian and Maya And can you

(01:14:41):
can you expand on that a little bit because I
when when you wrote that, I was like, how did
you find that out? That sounds fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Well, that's put the rewrite history. I mean, the presence
of the hieroglyphics in such a structure would would mean
that all we have been taught about is is untrue,
is faith is false? And well, I think it's it's

(01:15:14):
a real mystery that connects past and present.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Also there might be connections between Egyptian civilization and Maya civilization.
There are some research. As I said, the fact that
the built pyramids is a clear sign that there were
connections within them, and maybe the real connection is Atlantis,

(01:15:44):
because such a lost continent made some refugees to go
to the east or the west. So then we have
the start of the Egyptian civilization and also the Maian civilization.
And when you think about Egypt, the strange thing is

(01:16:06):
that Egyptian technology that's so all this way started at
its peak and then everything was uh, I mean, the
pyramids were less accurate in the final phases you think

(01:16:28):
about the egypt pyramids of the Roman times were totally
different from the ancient pyramids that in a different way
in nowadays. I mean mm hm. Technology in the Egyptian
civilization went from m from top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Very advanced to very rudimentary.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Exactly exactly. So why so how come maybe ancient knowledge
was neglected was regarded. So I think that finding higheroglet

(01:17:16):
in Antarctica would be the discovery of the century or
maybe of the millennium. So yeah, that's why I would
love to see some pictures. That's why I would love
to see some evidence of this. I can trust a wetness.

(01:17:38):
I can trust the wetness, but as far as he
just starts talking and I can't see any real evidence
I must just stand here and and wait.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
For You're being a good journalist, at least you're at
least writing about it. But you're you're questioning the authenticity
of the old of the story, is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Unfortunately, Yeah, I'm questioning the authenticity because I'm so humming
on these subjects that I would be the first person
to love to see something. I grate for that, but

(01:18:24):
I can't see anything. So let's give me some proof,
not because I'm I'm skeptical, but just because I want
to believe, just like the famous agent molder Son.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
But I have to mention this, Romberta. In your book
The Mysteries of Antarctica, you have a number of photographs
of what looked like buildings on the surface of an Antarctica,
and some of them have, you know, very long, flat
surfaces that look like the side of a building, or

(01:19:00):
it could be a structure of some kind that that
has long been in unused. How do we know that's not? Ai?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Well, I must be honest, and I have to admit
that these pictures come from the preface by Nicolabitsi, who
is another author. So the pictures were found by Nicola
BITSI but I think that you know, when you find

(01:19:31):
these structures on Google, when you find some I cannot
call them buildings because if I call them buildings, I'm
I'm I'm already judging. I'm i'm, I'm thinking of them
as a construction made by somebody. So when you see

(01:19:55):
these artifacts and you see how accurate they are, you
start thinking, Okay, they might be the they might be
ancient ruins. So who made them they? Can they be
natural or are they artificial? That's the same question that

(01:20:21):
comes to my mind when I think about Mars. Mars
is full of similar structures. Let's think about the silk
calls things, that's the Sidonia face on Mars, the pyramids.
So it's it's a matter that I understand why it

(01:20:42):
is hardly debated.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah, I want you to talk a little bit about
Arthur Posnanski, who was in Bolivia it's the turn of
the century and excavated Tiunaku, which is just a fascinating
place and has so many anomalies. The most noted is

(01:21:06):
that it sits on some kind of a lay line,
energetic lay line that either powers the buildings or whatever.
But what do we I mean his belief is that
that Tiuanaku is part of a very advanced civilization, perhaps Atlantis.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Well, when you see Kanaku or Heltiwatan or Cuscon or
also the Great Pyramids, you are facing something that is
far beyond the past technology and maybe also beyond modern technology.

(01:21:47):
So you start wondering, how could ancient civilizations build such
a structure. They didn't have the liver, they were not
so technological at that time, so everything is so strange

(01:22:10):
and you have to try to find some new hypothesis.
Somebody said, Okay, maybe they used some sound technology. They
managed to get to zero gravity somehow, So when you

(01:22:33):
see those huge rocks, okay, they could somehow make them
way zero. So that's the probow solution of this strange situation.
But you know, maybe lay lines, maybe sound technology, maybe

(01:22:56):
the existence of substance who could which could soften the rocks.
It's especially in Southern America and South America. It's a
theory about the existence of a substance which could soften rocks.
It's why you can see this is the famous twelve

(01:23:20):
angle stone. It's a stone in Kutzkal which has twelve
or thirteen angles, which is totally incredible to see. I mean,
it would be almost impossible today to build such a structure,

(01:23:41):
so h it's so strange to hear that such an
ancient civilization could do this in a far away past.
So that's a huge mystery, and we can see the
living proof of it because all these structures are there.

(01:24:02):
You can see them. They are real, but we do
not know how we could build them. So that's one
of the most important mysteries in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Doesn't Kosnanski give Tylnaku something like a date of twenty
thousand years in the past, some outrageous number.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Yeah, outrageous number because if you accept those numbers, Mayas,
Incas and and other mas American civilization were there much

(01:24:46):
more later. So yeah, this reconstruction of the past. Mayas
and Incas they come and they saw these structures already there,
so they did not build them. They just come came

(01:25:06):
there and these structures were already there. So it's a
totally different vision of the past. It's a brave new
radio the of seeing our past. But I think it's

(01:25:27):
it's more credible than the reconstruction we read in school books,
so why not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah, the books called the Mysteries of an Arctica. The
English version just came out. You can get it on Amazon.
My guess today has been Umberto Vizani. Where can people
contact you? Do you have a website? Give us your details?

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
I do have an Instagram account, book page or email address,
but not yet a personal website, but I'm working on it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Okay. And you have a YouTube channel?

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
You got a YouTube channel? Is it under your name? Umberto?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Am you do? Okay? As we conclude Umberto, what do
you think will be revealed and Antarctica? Uh, that you've
been waiting for. Perhaps you've been tracking some information and

(01:26:36):
you're wanting to get more details. What would you like
to see come of any research on Antarctica?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Well, my hidden dream would be that of the seeing
some expeditions, some missions, and some videos out of that
expeditions that clearly depict something real. I mean, there are
so many people talking about high strangeness happening there, So

(01:27:10):
if this straininess is really happening, I would love to
see some of it. I mean, there are so many whistleblowers,
so many people who say, okay, I've been there are
so strange things. Okay, just come out and let me
see some pictures, let me see some videos. I want

(01:27:31):
to believe, I want to know. I want skeptics to
shut their mouth and just say, Okay, you were wrong,
so you were right, and history must be rewritten. So
that would be my wildest dream.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Yeah, I mean that's a real simple answer, but it's
complex because there are powers that be that don't want
people to see new evidence of these ancient places. If
it is the mythological Atlantis, if that's what Antarctica is now,
I think I don't think they want people to know

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about that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
No, the boss can be rewritten so easily.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Yeah, I'm berto real pleasure having you on the program,
And yeah, those of you listening, we only touch the
surface of this wonderful book. There is so much in
the in this book that we didn't cover that we
could do two more shows and maybe not even cover.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
And we thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
The Mysteries of Antarctica is now available on Amazon. It is,
as I mentioned in the very beginning of the show,
it's worth your while to consider it. It covers a
lot of ground, and it looks at it from a
very analytical perspective, like is this stuff real? Is it
a myth, but it breaks up a lot of questions

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and this is why I like it, and this is
why I had an umbirdo on the program. It's a
good fit. So check it out. Hey, we do tours
here on Destiny as well as Earth Ancients, and we
got a good one coming up in December. It's our
Quandumalan Tour. For all the details on the tour, go

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to Earth Ancients dot com forward Slash Tours. We have
a new tour coming up in April of next year,
twenty twenty six. It's the Earth Ancient Semath Annual Grand
Egyptian Tour, and it's a kind of megalithic focus, meaning
that we're gonna go to sites that have megalithic ruins.
And one of my favorite subjects is the statuary how

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they carved a five excuse me, a five hundred plus
ton block of granite into one of the most elegant
sculptures you'll ever see. We're gonna see up close and
personal at the Memphis Outdoor Museum. It's the Ramsey two sculpture,
and it is so elegant, it's so well carved, there's

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no way a human did it. It was manufactured there's
no human touch on it at all. Go to Earth
Ancients dot Com, Forward slash Tours. We'll see all the details,
all the information, and come out and join us. All right,
that's it for this episode of Destiny. I think my

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guest today, Mberto Vizani, coming to us from Italy. As always,
the team of Gueltour, Mark Foster and Feya in Pakistan.
You guys rock all right, take care of you will
and we will talk to you next time.