Douglas Beechwood: Mystic Maya, Journey of Initiation

"Mystic Maya: Journey of Initiation," is a cinematic masterwork that unveils the ancient wisdom of the Maya. Prepare to be captivated, challenged, and forever changed by this extraordinary exploration of esoteric knowledge.Step into a hidden realm beyond the pyramids as this captivating documentary unravels the truth about these enigmatic structures, intertwining the sacred initiation rites of the Maya, Egypt, and modern Western Esoteric Mystery schools. Prepare for a mesmerizing journey that challenges your perception of history and illuminates profound connections between diverse esoteric traditions."Mystic Maya" unlocks the secrets of pyramids, revealing their purpose as catalysts for personal transformation and global change. Featuring intimate interviews with Mayan lineage holders, esteemed Western Esoteric authors, and renowned experts, "Mystic Maya" reveals the once-veiled knowledge and illuminates the hidden dimensions of world history. Experience a transcendent journey that awakens curiosity and invites you to embark on your own path of initiation.

Douglas Beechwood is a filmmaker with extensive experience in Commercial/Documentary and Live event production. He studied Fine Art and Photography at the University of Colorado and has immersed himself in the study of world religions for over three decades.Notably, Douglas served as Editor for "Yangsi: Reincarnation is Just the Beginning," a documentary following the life of renowned Buddhist Lama Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche for close to twenty years, from his coronation at age three to his graduation as an empowered Tibetan teacher. Additionally, he served as Production Manager, TD, and finish editor for all three seasons of the New Mexico PBS series entitled "Ageless Living."Douglas worked for twelve years as the Technical Director and Production Manager for the prestigious Festival of Faiths in Louisville, KY, which brings together faith leaders from diverse backgrounds from Native America, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism for a multi-day theatrical livestream conference. His efforts helped grow the Festival of Faiths from a small local event into a world-renowned happening that continues to engage the viewership of many millions.His spiritual journey embraces practices in Christianity, Native American beliefs, Western Esoteric Mystery Schools, and the profound teachings of Dzogchen Buddhism. Douglas further works as the media coordinator for the worldwide outreach of Tsoknyi Rinpoche's humanitarian activities through the Pundarika Foundation USA, which involves producing Buddhist retreats and secular mindfulness programs, as well as the support of Buddhist schools and nunneries in Nepal and Tibet.

Free viewing, https://www.mysticmayamovie.com/

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/earth-ancients--2790919/support.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
So what happened?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
So why they're saying the Egypt they are more old
than the Mayas, which is not possible because the Mayers
will build it more pyramids than the Egypt. So that
sermon center day to school were in that place I.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Told you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Is twelve thousand years. But why they don't publish this mistake?
Mistake because its books pick about pyramids, but the officers
system again indicate how many years? Most of that information wrong,

(01:03):
like the information wish have now Yucatan about the Mayas
and then the Mayas gave three thousand years and before
the ages they give five thousands. But the information might
have and the number of the years is twenty eight

(01:23):
thousand years. So I think they need to check again
all the books they have with the schools universities about
the ancient civilization and started with Mayas.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Check again. That's unbats Man, who is a Maya elder
also known as a daykeeper. He was a He had
been trained in traditional Mayan clindrical studies and so he
was all about the calendars and was always whenever I

(01:57):
had a chance to visit with him, he would always
bring up theme of the calendar, which was this is
happening because this the planets are aligning. It's kind of
almost a form of astrology, but much much more more sophisticated,
more cosmology planetary influences and energetics as they appear on

(02:23):
the Earth. And that's our theme today, which is a
documentary called Mystic Maya Journey of Initiation, and our program
focuses around Humbat's men. He passed away in twenty sixteen.
He was a friend of mine and also a great
influence on me. I met him in I See nineteen

(02:47):
ninety seven. I believe when I was a program director
here in San Francisco, flew him to the area. He
was part of a Indigenous American studies on our influence
on the Earth, what they were recognizing as problems. There
was even some prophecy which made it really fun. And

(03:10):
he was a huge influence on me for years until
his passing, and it was nice to see that he
is the main theme in this documentary. Hey, this is
Cliff your host of Earth Ancients. And this week we
are looking at a documentary that came out a few
months ago. Again it's called Mystic Maya, and we have

(03:32):
the producer, director, and writer Doug Beechwood today that we're
going to talk with on just the importance of the prophecy.
And I'm not just talking about twenty twelve, the changing
or the end of a calendar. This documentary gets into
stuff that I'm totally interested in, which is pyramid technology,

(03:56):
the influence of pyramids on environment. They believed, and of
course the elders in the Maya today recognized that their
ancestors were the geniuses and engineers who actually built the pyramids.
And what happens, and this is now coming out, is
that each generation, or after a few hundred years in fact,

(04:19):
they would put a new shell on these. They would
modify the pyramids so that they were more in line
with the current practices, the shifts of vibration, the shifts
of trailuric energy, and it's fascinating. If you pierce most
of the pyramids that are based on Mayan science, they're

(04:44):
multi layered. They're like a Russian doll if you're not
familiar with Russian dolls. There's an outer cover and then
there's sometimes there's up to ten different inner shells or
inner dolls, one after another. You start with a big
one and you open it up as a you keep
opening it up until you get to the base. And

(05:05):
in the work I've been doing, NASA became very interested
in the late nineteen nineties on the El Castillo Pyramid
at chichen Itza, among others, and according to my sources,
they cordoned off the Great Pyramid and began doing a

(05:25):
number of tests to determine if this pyramid was radiating energy,
if there was something to the anomalies that they had
heard about. And there are all kinds of anomalies when
you are around that area of chichen Itza. There's acoustic anomalies,

(05:47):
there's energetic anomalies, and we just don't know. The Maya
had developed a science of acoustics, of science and telluric
energy capture that we don't even recognize today except for
a very very few handful of people. And this documentary
that we're presenting today covers a great deal of the

(06:09):
science and what are considered machines, and these machines are
the pyramids. Now, I've been talking about this for a
while and I'm writing about it, and God, I gotta
get my fuck cutting this book out. I'm sitting on
it too long. It was fun to have Doug the
producer of this documentary on the program because it kind

(06:31):
of kind of reminds me that I got to get
complete my work. But the Maya were clindrical scientists. They
were energetic scientists. And one of the things that you'll
hear about today is the fact that the elders that
the shaman recognize the inception of the Mayan people in

(06:55):
what is now known as Mexico and Central America around
twenty eight thousand years years ago. Now that is really
too much for most archaeologists. They can't bend to that
because why they will take a reading. They will do
a carbon dating of a pyramid of an area using

(07:17):
the organic material surrounding the pyramid, and that will come
up with a few thousand years. Well, if they are
continually adding outer shells to the pyramid, how do we
know what the earliest pyramids are on the inside. Well,
the only way you can do that is test. So

(07:38):
we're getting on. I think we're getting what you can
consider a false positive. I mean, all of our history
books are saying, well, Maya are a few thousand years old.
When we have Richard Hanson on the program, the earliest
Maya might be four to five thousand years, but you know,
they're not recognizing the traditions. And one of the big,

(08:00):
big problems I've had with traditional orthodoxy when it comes
to studying ancient cultures like the Maya is that they
are they have a hard stop at a few thousand years.
They just cannot conceive of any culture being more than
a few thousand years. I mean, the oldest are the
Sumerians and maybe the Dynastic or pre dynastic Egyptians, and

(08:24):
that's you know, five thousand years some of the earliest periods.
But anything before that, you know, we're considered hunters and gatherers.
And that's where we come into some serious, serious problems.
And this hard stop that the archaeologists have is a
detriment to our understanding how these people were. If the

(08:47):
elders are saying that we populated, we migrated from around
the planet two Yucatan too, Central America, twenty eight thousand
years ago, it just blows these because archaeologists and anthropologists away.

(09:08):
And the only way we're going to get around that
is to continually research it, hopefully begin to recognize the
oral traditions, which you know, are in many ways the
truth of the past. And in some cases it's mythology.
And also work with the indigenous archaeologists like Paulette Steves,

(09:31):
who's a Canadian and we've had her on the program
Canadian Archaeologists, who's redating North America as extremely old. In fact,
you know, I think I mentioned this that in her
book she is redating many of these sites that were
once thought as Clovis sites to well over one hundred
thousand years ago. They were settled one hundred thousand years ago.

(09:56):
So we had to really really revise our understanding of
the people and not be so so sensitive about these
dates because it's doing them an injustice. And also, you know,
there's so much more that we need to know about
the Maya. And rather than waiting for a new book,

(10:17):
which is you know, a codis, I think we need
to step out and start looking at a multidisciplinary approach.
Let these engineers come in, Let these biologists come in,
Let these sound frequency engineers come in and test these
places to determine what science was developed, because we still

(10:37):
don't know. We consider the Maya, I mean many Miaas.
Consider this the Miaus Stone Age people. That's the term
that they used at the turn of the century when
they began excavating these sites. These people are extremely old.
There's a whole section of my book when they first

(10:58):
discovered these great cities. They had been destroyed by water.
Most of the Yukatan Peninsula was under many feet of water.
And when you go and you see the first images
that were taken of chichinitza, Ushmo Koba, most of if
not all of the cities in the northern Yukatan area,

(11:22):
they were bombarded by tsunamis, by the powerful undulation of
water underwater, and they lost most of their outer shell,
outer coverings, and these pyramids, these temples, these buildings, they
were in ruins, but most people don't know that. And

(11:43):
we're lucky that these places were imaged or photographed so
we can see this when we go to the Yukatan Peninsula.
When we tour there, there's an area at sail And
known as the Puk Route or the Pook Trail, and
half the buildings are under the surface. They were buried.

(12:05):
They were buried. The buildings are destroyed and then buried
because of the powerful action of waves of tsunamis. And
this is all coming out in the last seven to
ten years. It's been reported by a number of specialists

(12:25):
that tsunamis were very regularly coming inland as many many miles.
They were monsters. I mean, can you imagine a tsunami
that's over a mile high?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Can you ever?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I mean, and here we are, we're talking about the
Younger Drias well. The Maya were one of these groups
that were devastated during that Younger Dryas impact. We're just
beginning to understand this. So our program today is in
celebration of this documentary.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Again.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
The documentary is Stick Maya Journey of Initiation and my
guest today is producer director Doug Beechwood. And by the way,
listen closely because we will give out a link that
you can see the entire documentary for free, and I
think you'll enjoy it. So that's our program today. I

(13:21):
love climbing among the temples and the ancient pyramids of
the Maya. We actually have a tour coming up in
Dissemmerates the Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala with my friends doctor
Lydia and Arturo di Leong. This is a wonderful twelve
day tour of some of the most eclectic sites in Guatemala,

(13:43):
including Tikal and Elmador. We all meet together. This is
a chance to not only connect with the pyramids by
sitting among them and meditating and also doing ceremony. We
will also visit national museums as well as sacred sites
that are typically not available to the general public. What

(14:05):
makes this really once in a lifetime visit is that
we can climb, we can sit, we can interact with
not only pyramids, but temples, sacred sites, and visit some
of the most historic sites in the world. For more
information and to join us, go to earthacients dot com,
forward slash Tours and you'll see the Guatemala banner. We're

(14:29):
only taking about twenty people. We're half full, and so
I'm making the special announcement. We're also reminding people that
this tour is half the price that normal tours are,
and we make sure that we don't skip on anything.
We want everyone to enjoy the tour. So it's five
star hotels, it is the best food, the best beverages,

(14:52):
and a chance to interact with shaman with noted archaeologists
in the area. It's a complete tour, and there's an
option to go to Elmador with doctor Richard Hanson on
the last day and we'll be helicoptering to Elmiador and

(15:13):
have the opportunity to decline the Ldonta Pyramid. This is
a once in a lifetime visit and this is not
to be missed. Join us in Guatemala December first through
the twelfth. For more information, go to Earthasients dot com
forward slash Tours. Earth the Ancient sponsors a number of

(16:06):
documentaries every year, and there is a documentary out there.
It's called Mystic Maya Journey of Initiation. It's been out
since twenty twenty three. We had the producer director with us,
Doug Beechwood, and I had a chance to look at
this documentary. I really enjoyed it, primarily because it features

(16:30):
Whombot's Men, who's a Maya daykeeper who I knew intimately.
He was one of my mentors. And if you haven't
seen this, we're going to give you a chance to
see it and we'll give you the link a little
bit later. It's well done. It is covering a lot
of topics that I like, including who the Maya were,

(16:54):
what their purpose was in a culture, and a lot
of other details. So hey, Doug, welcome to Earth ANSI
it's great to have you on the program.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
It's an honor to be here, Cliff, thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Talk a little bit about the inspiration behind making a documentary.
I had a chance to look at the details. You
pretty much uh paid for this on you out of
your own pocket, which is a significant amount of money.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Well, it was, and it was.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
It was, you know, kind of like an homage to
the Spike Lee method of filmmaking director, producer, writer, editor, filmer.
But it was, it was, it was, It was an
honor to do it. I was inspired by my teachers.
Jhenbots was one of my teachers as well. John McCollum
another one one of the guys who was featured in
the documentary, one of my primary teachers.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That really introduced me.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
To this more esoteric path of the Mayan uh initiatory lineages.
And I'd been fascinated by the Maya, you know, ever
since I was a kid. Included a Discovery channel, you know,
watching what happened they disappeared. Oh, you know a couple
of years later, they're still here. Mayan live everywhere in
meso America. But you know, every time that an archaeologist

(18:06):
would refer to, well, what did this temple complex do?
It served a ceremonial purpose. Okay, well what's that ceremony?
What was the purpose?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You know? So that that was a.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Motivation I think, just behind the scenes for years for
me to be interested in these things.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, well, well a documentary work have you doneg I
know you've done other pieces, But what's kind of your background? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:29):
I thinks my background has been in documentary production, film production,
and live event production for the past twenty plus years.
Had had great success a few years back with a
documentary called Yangxi Reincarnation is just the Beginning, and that followed,
colleague of mine, followed a young Tibetan lama from the
age of three till twenty through all the stages of

(18:52):
his growth and initiation and training. I'm working on another
documentary called Quantum Chee. This one's about a decade in
the making. We're getting ready for a release on that
coming up in September, along with with the wide release
of Mystic Maya to Amazon, Apple and all the streaming services.
But Quantum Cheese pretty exciting too. We interviewed montak Chia

(19:13):
master Lee John Feng. We've got excerpt from Bruce Lee
in there, and and it's just an amazing kind of
transmission from all of the the lineage masters in the
tai Chi and Chi Gung world about what that that
ancient practice does for health and vitality and wisdom and
well being.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, I love it. I love that theme, the theme
that you kind of carry along. What is it about
the Maya that intrigued you enough to pull together this
group of people.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Was it just that you.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Wanted others to have more insight into what we currently
know about the Maya? Or was there, like you said before,
there was a lot of questions that you had.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, I think primary my questions and then this this
inside path that that might teach, including hunbots kind of
laid down for me that is lesser known and not
widely accepted in the archaeological canon. You know, like I
kind of glossed over ceremony, But what does that mean.
I've practiced a lot with Native Americans and the Lakota

(20:15):
tradition too, and and and also the some others. But
things that are really important to them are direction and place,
the powers of elementals and and and these are things
that I think are you know, even if they're an
atheist I think you can vibe with the idea that
the world is a living, cohesive thing that has its

(20:37):
own powers and its own vitality and and and that's
a beautiful way to relate to the living world. So
so there's a lot of that in the documentary that
that's uncovered and revealed. I really just wanted to share
some of the inside track that I've had through my
teachers and and and in the documentary form through the

(20:58):
first person word of their interview.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I felt was the best way to do that.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is the is the documentary, I mean, because the subtitle
of this Journey of initiation? Would you call it a
visual initiation because you're actually giving I think some pretty
heavy stuff in oral tradition, which is Maya.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, well, and you keep in on it.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
It's kind of the oral tradition, and you know, to
use more of a Buddhist terminology, I think it's kind
of a transmission that that by by listening to and
seeing these people and the places and the real context
of what they're talking about, you get a sense of
the real magic of what the Mayan believed and practiced.

(21:44):
You know, we can go there and we can visit
these big, cool temples and say, wow, how neat is that,
you know, and go back to our hotel and have
a nice coffee and a nice breakfast and kind of
put it, you know, put it in a in a
an envelope, so to speak. But the living tradition is
is pretty powerful. Like like I mentioned the energies of
place of space. You know, I will get into actually

(22:07):
the teachers in this documentary get into talking a little
bit more about the working machines that that pyramids are
and were to the Maya. And you know, one of
my favorite parts of Hunbats talks about you know, we
have all these angles of pyramids. You know, what's the
function of this, you know, to connect to the different
energies of the different planets which we know, you know,
we know they were aligned to the belt of Orion

(22:29):
like in too t Teacon, you know, and Giza was
aligned to the plant uh the belt of Orion. These
these are you know, I think these are more widely
known in the past decade since you know the works
of Robert Bavall and Graham Hancock and you know all
all of the all the great visionary archaeologists that that

(22:51):
that that are that are coming forward in this era
to share, to share their you know, their intertract.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, there their inntract.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Where have you been in uh?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
In Mexico? Which which my sites? Uh have you visited?

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well, in Mexico, I've got to admit I haven't traveled
as thoroughly. I have been to it for several solstices,
and and that's I'm sure equinoxes that that's been really
see the serpent descend and you know all yeah, But
my primary travels have been in Belize and in Guatemala.
So in uh Call pesh Uh carrat Call, which is

(23:32):
you know, one of the largest temple complexes that you
find anywhere. So Nonsinich I also covered the documentary that's
you know, called the Temple of Women. Like in Egypt
we've got the Temple of Man. So Nonsinich was laid
out like like a woman laying down, and it was
primarily like a center for the women priests to h

(23:53):
to have their ceremonies, their rights and and and passages.
And then in Guatemala to Call, I think the King
of the Mayan Monuments. You know, I've spent so many
times into Call just hanging out in the north and
south of Acropolis.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Imagining what did they do?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Man? What did they do here?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Did you get a chance to climb the Lost World
pyramid and get up on top of that one that's
the one that's supposed to be still active?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:22):
I did. I climbed Lost World. I actually even had.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
An unofficial nighttime escort up Temple of the Jaguar in
the central So that was pretty too, under a full moon,
you know, with the guard with his shotgun making sure
there wasn't anything creeping around.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Wow, So.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I did?

Speaker 4 (24:43):
I really did? You know?

Speaker 5 (24:44):
I'm actually getting chills and kind of tingles right now
thinking about it because you're just immersed in the living
rainforest energies there. Yeah, you know, you found North American forest.
You might hear some birds, see some things, but man,
those those forests are alive.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, totally amazing. Let's talk about Humbot's men for a
little bit. He was he is your main focus. How
did you get a hold of him? And the other
thing I'm curious about he passed away in twenty sixteen.
Did you you must have been down there multiple times

(25:21):
or did he was he in the States when you
were filming him? Amazing footage no, thank you.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
I imagine bouts multiple times. I actually interviewed him when
he was in the States, and that was you know,
I'm gonna say, I interviewed him probably twenty fifteen before
before things, you know, before he started to take take
more ill, and it was you know, it was a
whole vetting process. We'd known each other, but he had
to kind of sort me out what am I going
to share.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
With this guy?

Speaker 5 (25:48):
You know another like, what is he going to do
anything with this I could.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Tell he was comfortable with the questions because you know,
I don't know if he was not well at the
time you were filming him, but he seems to have
enough energy to give you some solid material.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Absolutely, I think he was.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
He was.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
I didn't I didn't.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Put the couple first questions in there, of course, but
he he really opened up and he shared some amazing
things with me.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
You know, I was asking him.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
About timelines, and I mean, this is something that keeps
coming up with Graham Hancock's work is pushing back and.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Back the dates.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Yeah, for these these global sites, and Humbats had no
problems saying, look all the history we have about the
Maya in the Western civilization, we just need to throw
away these books and start over. He said, his oral
tradition is that the Maya are way older than the Egyptian.
And he backed that up by saying, look, you look

(26:48):
at all the pyramids in the Maya. You look at
the pyramids in Egypt. You know a lot more of
them in the Maya. They keep finding more with all
these light our scans.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Oh my god, we've only scratched the surface through thousands
and thousands. As a clinical expert, which is what he's
a daykeeper, we both know that. Talk about that for
a minute. What does he tell us about the Great
Age of the mile where's a a kind of a

(27:18):
inception period for them?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, you know, I think the Classical Age would be
about eight hundred to twelve hundred, you know, and don't
quote me on this.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I am not.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Very good with the Western dates, but the Classical Age,
especially dating back to the sunken pyramids off of Cuba.
You know, he covered those in great detail. And he
talked about twenty eight thousand years being like the inception.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah when he started.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
And that's what he told me, and that's so it
blows me away. I mean, he told me that in
the late nineteen nineties when I started visiting him that
the Maya are, you know, twenty eight thirty thousand years old.
I'm like, well, why are they dating the pyramids to
only a few thousand years, you know, which is really weird.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Well, there's there's a couple things with that, you know,
because they didn't just build them. Once they built them,
they might have started out as a platform, and then
they would expand on that. They put another layer on,
and they put another layer on, and another layer in
another layer, and this will play out, you know. With
the excavations that are still going on it to call,
you'll see the layers in there. So we're looking at

(28:33):
the late you know, neo classic period.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Again.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
My terminology with with the Western timelines is somebody wise.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well it's the pre classic classic, post classic modern, you know.
It's academia has decided that they need to categorize it
in these periods, and they've just made a confusing miss
out of it because there's an earliest period that hasn't
been really decoded yet, and there's a even a language

(29:05):
that they have not deciphered, and those are the original people,
and I think there was I think we can begin
thinking of the Maya as being old enough to be
part of that cataclysmic period of nine thousand, five hundred years,
which is what Hancock, Ranald Carlson, and many others are

(29:26):
using to the Younger Driest period as kind of a
ending of this earlier period that basically wiped the surface
of the planet clean of animal and human life. Does
Hubots talk a little bit at all about that. I
didn't see the whole thing, but is he so much?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Yeah, he tried to push the dates back and really
challenge the modern Western narrative. I don't want to get
on a tangent clift, but I think it's worth mentioning
that whenever you find these great acropolises around the world,
you're also going to find an underworld component to them,
whether that be a cave system or an intentionally excavated system.

(30:12):
And you know that plays out into call that plays
out you know, with with the modern scans, it looks
like it's playing out in Egypt. You know, plays out
in uh Taotacan, Mexico City. This I do get into
the the sub Alba and some of the importance of
the of the underworld, both in tradition for ceremony and

(30:34):
and kind of the metaphysical beliefs of the Maya.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, in the.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Talk about that a little bit. The metaphysical beliefs get
into what you're presenting.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, well, so I started out talking about direction, you know,
and that's going to be important to I think all
meso Americans, North American Indians, uh, meso American Central South America.
You have this respect for the directions southeast and west,
respect that those have their own distinct and sacred energies,
and respect that there are also energies, no walas as

(31:09):
they may call them in the Maya, energies or or
spirits of place, and and those can be very beneficial,
you know, to to your health and vitality and your
well being. They also believe in the upper world, you know,
the spirit world, the middle world where we live, and
the underworld, which is is termed the Zabolba, where things

(31:31):
you know, where you go after death, where you go
for renewal, where you would do ceremony deep within the earth.
I visited the the Okunnall Cave in Belize and I
actually managed to get some rare footage in there of
the broken pots that they would you know, these great
vases that they would carry underneath and break the pots

(31:52):
in them release the to release the energies to them.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I think they found a I think they found it
human skull under in one of those underwater caves of beliefs.
And I think it's it's dated some thousands of years
older than they you know, typical homo sapien sapien.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Yeah, they have some ancient stuff in there, and you know,
and they didn't really want to excavate so much as
as respect those spaces, so I think and Kimie always
doing a good job, you know, protecting and preserving what
they've got us as the Belizean archaeological minister.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, very cool. Yeah, Uh, what is who much to
say about the calendars? Is there any calendar discussion in
terms of anything actively happening right now?

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Well, I mean in the mind calendar that's so interesting,
you know, with with the various calendars, there's always something happening.
You know, you've got a unique an unique date stamp,
any unique signature of kind of an elemental energy for
every day. You know, most of the modern daykeepers or shawmans,
I know, we'll just use apps to translate these things

(33:06):
of course we came through what a decade ago, decade lost,
the twenty twelve passage, which is kind of that zero point.
You know, there was all the fear.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
It's the end time.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
What a mess that was.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Right, we're all here.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
First we survived Y two K, then twenty twelve and everything.
We're survivors here exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah. Does whom buds discuss the impact the Maya his
ancestors had on the Egyptians and the Indians India. I
should say there's a strange, compelling notion of Maya in India,

(33:48):
ancient India, and I've seen it in some of the
ruins and who in Yucatan. Some of the buildings look
very Indian in style. Not only that the sculptures are
right out of Indian temple design.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Yeah, you're right, you get this intulum and other places,
this real kind of East Indian feel, and that that
is interesting. I think that's one place where scholars turned
away from Hunbots, even some traditional Mayan would turn away
from him. But I love this mystical ancient idea that
things are connected with some type of a unified past

(34:32):
of shared experience and knowledge. And Hunbats did he really
got into He would cite in some of his work.
He cited as a parallel to his own oral tradition.
He cited the work of Churchward, who wrote Lost Continent
of MoU and all these books that were really popular
back in the twenties and thirty. Yeah, and I'm really

(34:54):
surprised that in the modern kind of esoteric mystical archael world,
we don't hear more about churchwards work, because it was
it was really fascinating.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Church Ward had these the concepts of crustal displacement, which
could have helped, you know, move continents around, which might
be why we you know, don't see Atlantis or this
or that. You know, Einstein was a believer in the
crustal displacement theory too. But to get more to the
kind of Mayan esoteric works like church Ward's work, he

(35:27):
talked about these tablets that I think it was niven
Y and Earl archaeolums in in meso America found on
these clay tablets that had a symbolic language dating back
to the Lost Continents, and it was, you know, symbols
that today we'd look at and say, there's some circles
and some squiggly lines and and you know, some stair

(35:47):
step patterns don't necessarily mean a lot when you look
at them out right. But his interpretation was really fascinating
that it told the story of the fall of Lemuria,
the Old Old Continent, which I'm going to put it
that twenty eight thousand year ago time, whereas you know,
the younger Dryast the ten thousand year ago. I think

(36:08):
that's more of what we're looking at for the the
Atlantean fall, you know, ten to twelve thousand years ago.
And all this is you know, I'm really open to
these ideas, you know, as I'm just I've been karmically
drawn to all this and finding different threads through different
cultures really helped me believe that some of those options

(36:28):
really could have taken place. But you know, back to
the work at church Ward, he would he would talk
about this this connection he was actually turned on. I
think he was a traveling with the British military on
some type of you know, he had some great post
where he got to tour the world and he was
in India and came across Arishi. That also gave him

(36:51):
this story of the connections with the ancient Maya and
the connections with these same tablets and the same symbolic
language that that Niven had had had discovered, which which
which are really really fascinating.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guest today, Doug Beechwood, who is the producer
of this new documentary Mystic Maya.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
We will be right back.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
We're highlighting the new documentary Mystic Maya Journey of Initiation
with the producer, writer and director Doug Beechwood. Will give
out the web address shortlyast so you can see the
documentary in its entirety. How does he portray the Maya though,

(38:29):
Doug is he is it more of a teacher pupil
or just disseminators of information that you could do use
in any manner you need to.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well, that's an interesting question. I think it's more of
teacher pupil, and of course there's a generalized knowledge that
comes with all this. But the heart of the film,
where I call it, this journey of initiation, hearkens back
to this idea that you know, sure, we can get
all the book knowledge we want, we can be book smart,
but we've spent time with someone that's really assimilated that

(39:03):
and and can you know, help us put it into
a living context. That's where the initiation comes in, you know,
the in the Maya they would and just as in
the Hindu tradition today, you know, you can go pray
darshan with the Guru.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
But if you're going to really.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Progress and get more elevated in in Uh, your your powers,
your discernment, your you know, your ability to hold sacred energies,
that's going to come through rights of initiation. As in
the Maya, like you you couldn't go to the central
Acropolis and to call unless you pass through you know,

(39:39):
the initiations that that allowed you to go there. Exactly
today we just wander all around it like it's you know,
open tour season.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And it's something about the building of these uh civics areas,
these temples, these pyramids and buildings that have to be activated.
They're like living uh into these or living beings that
the Maya believe everything's alive. And one of the big problems,
and I'm curious about your take on it, is in Mexico,

(40:09):
the Eena as well as the officials have stopped allowing
initiatory ceremony in the entrance of these temples. Why do
you think they would do that?

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, well, I think number one, they don't understand it,
you know. Number two, they want to probably protect the
the common narrative. You know that that these are just
sterile for use of ceremonial purpose and don't want to
step anybody's on anybody's toes as to what that ceremonial
purpose was. And there's a lot of Charlatan's out there too,

(40:45):
you know that that would be just you know, doing
their spiritual wu wu tour that that you know, the
government doesn't want to sanctify. But you know, what's interesting
for me to note was when I went to a
couple of times that I was at chichen Itza for
the equinox when the serpent descends, Like you could wander

(41:05):
all around the whole complex, but I'm trying to get
my directions right. But there's a certain part where, like
you know, the sun is rising up to it. There's
a certain part where the energies where I felt like
the energies were more sacred in building that was completely
cordoned off, you know, And.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Whether that was just coincidental.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Or whether that was a part of the stewards of
you know, both the archaeologists and the government saying, you know,
we're going to respect these ancient, ancient traditions and let
this happen because in a way they know it's important.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I don't know if you've been down there recently. We
try to go every year every other year. Chitchine is
completely cordined off. All the buildings are roped off. You
can't go and touch anything, you can't interact with anything,
and there's definitely no meditation or chanting aloud in any
of these archaeological parks anymore. It's just really, I mean,

(42:00):
you used a good word. They're forcing people to become
sterile and not engage anymore. And that's really what those
places are about.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
They're activation points, you know. I don't think it takes
a big leap, you know, if you're into any spiritual
traditions or not to say that there is something going
on on the earth at these points. And clip you've
been to Takol, haven't you.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Well, I was very young. We're going again this year
in December for another tour. But it was magical then.
But back then you could climb everything it was amazing.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
You could probably get to the underworld back then too.
That's something my friends have done, but I haven't been
able to.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
We didn't have access to caves then because I don't
know if they were allowing the public to go into them,
but we heard rumors about underground vaults and stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Well, I'll mention one thing that would be of interest
to you or anybody that's going to it, especially if
you're going there with a small group, will be to
climb up the pyramid. You're allowed to climb up. Half
of your group climb up there, and half of the
group stay back at the base at the bottom of them,
and you're going to be, you know, three hundred feet
up in the air, maybe two hundred feet. At some
points you can literally whisper and you will have a

(43:18):
conversation from the base of the pyramid to the.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Bottom of the pyramid somehow.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
The acoustics are just just immaculate.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
And in some of those courtyards and to call, there
are nodes where you can stand in the center and
give yourself a good clap and the clap will come
back in a zing.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Oh, I'm getting shells just thinking about it because it's
it's you really get a sense that there is more
than just something cool to look at going on there.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I think that's an unknown quantity of the Maya engineering
of these cities, is that they incorporated a stick phenomenon
for a purpose that we don't know. But I think
what you're talking about is probably exactly what it is,
which is some way of integrating consciousness with the buildings

(44:15):
by you know, using voices and talking. You know, something
is going on there that we're just not paying attention to,
which is really quite amazing. We don't pay enough attention
to that.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
I mean, I think maybe some of the early Renaissance
builders did in the cathedrals. You know, we didn't have
microphones back then, but but the Mayan builders, they really
had this sonic component talent something. My other teacher, the
guy that really introduced me to this whole ancient esoteric
interpretation of the Maya, John McCollum, and he was a

(44:50):
conundrum man. He was like the you know, I'm an
X Files fan, so before I met him, I watched
the Expoles. He was kind of like the Smoking Man
and the Old the Old Indian combined. He was like
Constant Chainsmoker, you know, had some background working in special
forces and grew up you know, his mother's lineage was
all Creek Choctaw Cherokee. His dad's lineage was all Scottish

(45:13):
Rite masonry. So he grew up in both of these worlds,
like learning a very similar esoteric language in both respects.
Trying to get myself back on track. I had a
good point to make there.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, No, I wanted to hear what he had to
say about him because I wasn't familiar with his work
and if he had studied the Maya, what was his
contribution in the in the documentary?

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, actually, well, he wrote a good book called Kashwuahana
you can still find on on Amazon. He passed away
a couple of years back too. But his contribution was
was really giving me the uh, the initiates tour around there.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
You know.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
He revealed this, this cahal Pesh, which is in near
the twin cities of Santolina and San Isabel in Belize,
really has the same layout as as what would be
known in the modern you know, Western esoteric schools as
like an initiatory complex.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
You have your you know, your your.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Opening, uh, you know, the atrium where people would gather.
You have your corridors and hallways lead you know in
the pronaeus that lead into the Holy of Holies, the
temple sanctums, and and you know that that idea that
this was that for going on tour with him many
times down to Belize and seeing through through his eyes
you know what he grew up in his initiatory lineages

(46:41):
at cahol Pesh.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Having him show me.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
The the mystery school layout basically at cahol Pesh and
at Sanansinich was was a real eye opener. So he
was like my first person tour guide to to many
of these.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Talk about the Mystery School in Belize. I wasn't I'm
not familiar with that.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Yeah, well, and this isn't something that you know, they
would really discuss.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
I've met Haymia.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
A couple of times down there.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
He's continuing to do great, you know, archaeological excavations on
the complex. But Cahalpesh is on top of the hill,
very small, seemingly somewhat inconsequential space, but it has these
great courtyards where the acoustics would work amazingly well. From

(47:27):
the temple steps to give discourses to hundreds of people.
And then as you progress further into the complex, you're
going up through a series of corridors with with side
rooms for instruction. That leads you around in kind of
a spiral way all the way to enter from the
backside through a very narrow corridor where there's a little

(47:49):
appse and and as in some of the traditional mystery schools,
you would you know, when you're approaching inside the temple,
you might be questioned. So there's the spaces where where
they're where those people would sit there to to give
you the you know, give you the password you can
progress on. But it really it falls in line with
all the markers that you would find in in like

(48:13):
a modern Masonic temple.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Oh really yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
So there then there's all these parallels. There's a bunch
of Masons that are way into the Maya, you know,
back to oh what was it? Uh wait and got
my book sitting here and church work. They were they
were definitely into this parallel with with how the Maya
went back. Laplan Gen too, you know, he's one that

(48:39):
not many folks have read, but he was one of the.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Early Maya explorers.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
He came from you know Western Masonic lineages too, but
he was in the late eighteen hundred, late eighteen hundreds,
early nineteen hundreds. She was trying to get people interested
in this Mesoamerican art, and no one was really paying attention.
You know, they're like, whatever, we don't need to preserve that. Like, no,
look at these staleys and these it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, yeah, cleon. Uh, he's an interesting guy because his
photography is fascinating. Yeah, and he dragged his poor wife
Alice all through the Yugatan right when they began excavating
these places.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
When he makes some pretty vast assumptions that then I'm
not going to stand by.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
But but well, he's the one I think that wrote
that he believed that the Maya were significantly older than
the Egyptians and that they had some form of an
influence on Egyptian life, which I thought was kind of strange.
But uh, and then I think he the problem with

(49:46):
him was that he was an early He actually spoke Maya,
he learned how to speak it, and so he was
translating things. But I think his translation has got a
little iffy.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah yeah, early on.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
I mean, we've seen the decoding in the Maya code
and then the oh, this is the re revised decoding
in the Maya code.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, in decades.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I think one of the sad things about the Maya
decipherment is that when they were using it, they never
really asked any of the elders or daykeepers to help them,
and so we only have about ninety percent, which is
a lot of the language. But I think by not
integrating with the local shaman as a real loss.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
I mean, an oral tradition improves out this whole idea
of a global flood. How many every tradition around the
world has has something about that. But it's an oral tradition,
is a living tradition to the people that practice it,
so it should absolutely be accounted for, at least by anthropologists,
if not the archaeologists.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
That's just that's Western science arrogance, you know, And I
believe there's some racism in where you don't use the
local indigenous people to give you I mean, God knows
what we're missing. You know, we only have four codises,
we only have four books, and I've heard rumors that

(51:15):
there's many other cotises that are waiting to come out.
What do you know about that?

Speaker 4 (51:20):
I've heard about this too.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I've heard I've met people that claim they have them,
and I've said, well, show me, can't do that.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Really, So you've talked to elders or people that are
familiar with cotises that are.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Not native elders, but but westerners, you know, old old curators.
Let's say, oh, yeah, I've got some pdaps of those
waiting for the right time, like, well, maybe the time's right. Well, okay,
you mentioned this, that the codyeses are there. But the
other thing we do have, and I get into this
in the movie is the popol Vu, Yeah, which is

(51:54):
you know, a really profound text. It's like dream time
mythology about uh creation myths and this great story of
the hero twins going into the Shabbalba, the underworld, going
through all the rights and initiations. And this is actually
a place where I can tie it back to Hunbots too,

(52:14):
because Humbots and in his sighting of uh, you know,
paple Vu in some of his works, and then church
Ward also in in lostont and a Move, he'll get
into the parallels between the popul Vu and the Egyptian
pyramid texts, and how how amazing it is that they
basically describe these people going through the same trials and tribulations.

(52:37):
They'll be the house of fire, the ice house, the
house of bats, you know, and it's yeah, it's like wow, Okay,
in two different parts of the world, you have these
very similar stories that I mean, of course, there's a
vastly different cultural context, you know, but as uh as
a lay person, I can allow myself to make some

(52:58):
more uh leaps in an understanding than than maybe a
tenured archaeologist can't.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I think one of the issues on the Pulpa Voo
is that it seems like a mythology because they're talking
about human beings that could see beyond normal vision and
could have great sensitivities. And I think it's an earlier
period when perhaps we were more advanced and had more

(53:25):
connection to Gaya, the earth, and and uh, we're not
dealing with Wi fi and other technologies that basically hamper
our ability to be intuitive.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said for that.
And you're in the jungle, in the rainforest in these
places and there's no Wi fi. The real you're getting
a real vibration from from.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
These these these spaces, these sacred places.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Totally talk a bit about the Mya Pyramids as working machines.
That's kind of a theme and this documentary, and this
is something that I'm fascinated. I'd like to hear from
you what you're trying to explain and what comes out
in the documentary.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Great well, you know, I got into that a little
bit with Humbots and talked about the angles and the
design Humbots was was very much of the belief that
the physical design, the physical layout, the physical placement of
the pyramids was tapping into celestial energies, energies of planets,

(54:35):
energies of star alignments and channeling and amplifying that here
on the Earth for for what purpose, To raise the vibration,
to give us all more energy, more more good energy,
to purify energy, and and that'll play out. You know,
I think if you visit these places, you might just

(54:56):
get blissed out and.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
You might not know why.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
And it could have nothing to do with the margarita
you had.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
It could have everything to.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Do just with with the energies that are really emanating
from the space because they were designed very intentionally in
terms of the working machines part this this is back
to where I had a thread that I would I
had lost earlier on on my visits with with with
my teacher John McCollum, we would go to the apses
on the or the alcoves on the back of the

(55:26):
Sonansinch pyramid or at the base of the pyramid complex
at Cahol Pesh and there's these rooms that perfectly amplify
sound enchanting.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
So is this within a pyramid, within a pyramid.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
So many times at least in the in several sites
in Belize, most specifically at Sonansinich, you can climb this,
you know, very prominent pyramid with five items on top,
you know, like like has a crown of five big
eggstone pillars. Then behind it there are are all of
these alcoves that really really resonate the voice, especially seed

(56:07):
syllables or you know, I don't always sound corny, but ome.
You know, Almo is one of the most ancient seed
syllables that we have from for many cultures. And we
would chant home and and turn the pyramid on, you
know in a sense by meaning that I mean tune
our voice and our energy to the pyramid. Humbots also

(56:28):
believed in circumambulating the pyramid. You know, the pyramids is
a square, and you would walk around the pyramid in
a circle, you know, adding your energy to the energy
of the space. So you know, these are simple things
that we can even do kind of discreetly on a
tour to these places. You know, tour guide might be like,
who's that guy oman over there in the corner, but

(56:50):
you know, it's an experiment you can try for yourself,
and something may not.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guest today, documentary filmmaker Doug Beechwood, highlighting his
due release Mystic Maya. Will rejoin you shortly. We're highlighting

(57:59):
this new documentary Mystic Maya Journey of Initiation. In My
guest today is Doug Beachwood, who is the producer, writer
and director of this new release. One of the things
that I have become aware of is that some of

(58:19):
these pyramives were used as environmental energetic harmonic tuners, and
there's a number of photographs that I've seen. There's one
very famous photograph of chichen Itza or El Castillo at
Chichi which is the main pyramid emanating some kind of

(58:41):
a field at the top. And there's another big one
of the Pyramid of the Sun at Teo Telecon in
Mexico City with a big burst of energy that you
actually can see. Well, you have any idea on that
this who much talking any any bit at all about
the uh as a premise as an energy vortex.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Well, I I he never talked to me directly about that,
but I think that does come.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Out in his writings. It is. And he has a
couple of books you can still.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Find on Amazon, what are his ae Maya and the
Mayan Science Religion Secrets of the Mayan Science, And they're
fascinating reading.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
You know, they're.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Kind of mystical because he will get into the the
energies at these channel you know, both invisible and and
like you said visible, I recall when I went to
Castillo the day before I visited on Equinox, there were
a series of whirlwinds that were just buzzing around, the

(59:44):
buzzing around El Castillo, and like it's just it was
just kind of spooky how and much that revealed, like
kind of what's going on beneath the beneath the visible there,
and there's a lot of vortex activity going on.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I think there's a lot of unseen energy generation at
these these places. What's your take on the idea that
some of these Mayan cities are built according to the constellations,
so the words pyramids are aligned with planets, walkways are
aligned to you know, other functions of a constellation.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Well, I would rely on other people's work for that,
but you can you can certainly look in Mexico City
at the Temple of the Sun and Moon and see
the absolute similarity of the layout there to the temple
complex at Giza. It's it's like the they're they're they're
tilted forty five degrees to one another. So like whereas
the pyramids at Giza are square with each other, the

(01:00:44):
pyramids at Mexico City are forty five degrees tilted. But
there's big, big, little just like the belt of Orion.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I can't think that that's a coincidence, you know, for
them being in individual places or similar around the colonial.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
It's like the Maya wanted to be plugged in to
that celestial energy in some way.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Well, they have such a calendar that, I mean, why
do you need to calculate millions of years back and
millions of years forward, unless you're following the stars, unless
you're intricately basing your life and your you know, active
cosmos on interactions with all these subtle energies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Right, I think it was a beautiful way to live.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, it's very strange. Does who bots get into the
codises at all? I think one of the big issues
that I'm still trying to figure out is how did
the Maya, just apparently observing using their own eyes, be
able to determine the details of the Moon, the Venus,

(01:01:47):
and the other planets. How did they something's going on.
They're like, we're missing something.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
Well, I think modern sciences is starting to get another
key here, and I'm you know, I'm less keen to
to really go down the psychedelic rabbit hole. But the
Mayan used everything that was available to them, you know,
they didn't abuse it, but they knew they they knew
the plants, they knew the seasons, they knew the timing,
they knew, you know, how to put their you know,

(01:02:15):
the preestcraft knew how to put themselves into an outer
body state and bring back information from the higher realms.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Your suggesting that they would maybe go on a sacred
journey and leave the body and travel to the planets.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
I think that they were able to do a vision quest,
you know, probably with some psychedelic assistance in the early days,
without it in the later days. But I think there's
definitely a corollary there. You know, you'll see Graham Hancock,
you know, play out the story of Ayahuasca, which you know,
which is very interesting. And I haven't personally gone there.

(01:02:51):
I've just been waiting for a qualified shaman to help
the pathway there. The Mayan were adept at navigating use
other realms.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
They must have been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
It's almost like there's an earlier period in their history
where they had some form of technology. And because the
details of Venus and the various cycles of the planet,
it was only observable by being in the atmosphere or
being close by. There's no way to visually stand and

(01:03:25):
look at it. And this is the big problem I
had with archaeo astronomy, which is a branch of archaeology,
is to tell us that the Mesoamerican people were able
to stand on the ground and look in the sky
and observe the details of the planetary system.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
There's just no way.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Without a telescope, right, either a telescope or there's a
very early period where they're leaving the planet in some
form of traveler or something, observatories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Or they're working with ets or something that are actually
out there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Yeah, they I mean very well. I mean I know
a number of DNA very closely. I've spent time camping
out with them at Spider Rock and then you know,
we saw a lot of lights that that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Did not seem.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
When I asked them about them the next couple of days,
you know, they're like, yeah, we see that all the time.
That's that's those are the star beings. Personally, I've never
spoken to one. Yeah, maybe we're at that era. And
I know, I try not to really go there because
I think what matters for us really is what's left

(01:04:41):
here on on the Earth. What can we what can
we see, what can we visit, what can we study?
And it's it's just a fascination, like how did they
do it? There's they had obviously advanced technology. Mean, I
think it was easier for the Maya to build pyramids
because they were rough hewn limestone and there's plenty of limestone,
and you contend peninsula versus this very fine crafted block

(01:05:04):
you find in Egypt, but the prevalence of limestone in
both places is interesting. You know, you get this I've
read about these telluric or these earth energies that that
happened when there is a permeation of water in the
limestone and you know, and the pyramid built up above it.
You know, you kind of get that classic as above

(01:05:24):
so below thing playing out in a physical and there's
some energy that's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
What's your take on the sock bees the Maya word
for the white roads that are in the el Mia
door and Guaatemala. The sock bees are everywhere, and yet
the archaeologists say, we don't believe the Maya had had wheels,
although you see them in all the toys you go to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
The museum and toys in the museums and belize, you know,
Jamala city.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, how would they do that with?

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
You know, that's that's really funny because they haven't found
it yet means they didn't have it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Well, we have a lot of archaeologists on our program
and they admit, I mean Ed Barnhardt who's a regular here.
He's a miaist. He says, they've only you know, basically
excavated one percent. Yeah, you know, and we've talked before
we started that there's literally thousands of un excavated sites

(01:06:25):
that have and have pyramids and temples, and likely we're
going to find a tomb or or a wagon with wheels.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yeah, yeah, that would be a mind blower to proof.
I don't know, you know, either they were very patient,
or they had some technology we don't know about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Or we haven't found it yet. But you know, these roads,
I've had an engineer, Jim o'conn wrote a book on
the Maya Advanced Science of the Maya, and he analyzed
these suckbies and they're they're like the Roman roads. They're
multi layers is, they're built to last. They're built to
work on any environmental condition, rain, sleet, snow, whatever. It's

(01:07:15):
not going to be snow down there, but it can
be very wet and rainy. And they were made for commerce,
for people to move between the different cities. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Well the commerce must have been amazing because there was
so many cities. I mean, if you look at a
map of the Myalands and even these are the ones
we know about. That's still almost more cities than we
have on a western map in America. Then you get
the light our scans and come to recognition that almost
every other hillside is probably a pyramid complex of some sort.

(01:07:50):
You know, they had it going on for thousands of
years exactly, you know, and the trade coming up into
North America was significant too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
I visited sites in four Corners. They're one of the
other guys in my documentary, David Leonard. He went by
Lionfire del Norte. He's another good student of Hunbotses. He
showed me these sites on what he called sun daggers
in in uh In and around hoven w Weep area
and four corners of what we would normally know as

(01:08:23):
a Mason Verdy area. So these these these these sun
daggers are like markers on walls that would track the solstices,
the equinoxes. You'll see where the shadow hits, like right
on the equinox, you'll see it. A shadow from a
rock will hit a marking on there, and and you know,
and they'll have a spiral pas sometimes that shows where

(01:08:44):
it goes throughout the year. So long winded story here,
but right on one of these sun dagger panels and
hovenweep is uh is an etching of a macaw, totally distinct.
It's it's a big parrot, big and somebody in four
corners of the southwest USA there's no macause there. You're

(01:09:06):
probably weren't, my cause there a thousand years ago. So,
I mean, we have evidence of trade with the jade
and the turquoise and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
I don't understand why archaeologists was so reticent about considering
Maya coming into the what is present day United States.
It's very hard for them to stretch that, I guess.
I mean it's I don't know how to explain it.
And maybe that's why you don't have that many or
you have no archaeologists in your program, because you're dealing

(01:09:38):
more with a mystical and the intuitive side of humanity.
And when we start talking about those very subtle capacities,
it leaves the academic world behind, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
It really does.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
And I wanted to give a voice to the oral tradition,
which is the truth of the people speaking it and
the truth of their ancestors.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, you know, speaking.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
A little bit more to the North American counterparts. You know,
all of these the hopeball cultures, the mound cultures, in
the lineages that I've spoken with, they've told me that
those really started out and a lot of places as
step Earthern step pyramids and were worn down over the years.
So like I think there was it's harder to make

(01:10:28):
this leap between meso America and Egypt, but it should
be a lot easier to make this leap between North
America and Central America.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
You know, I think you make a good point because Hope, Well,
those are big native complexes all up and down the Mississippi.
But more importantly, because we don't see the stone pyramids.
We see more like these huge mound builders that that
doesn't really that's not really similar. But perhaps if we

(01:11:00):
were to dig into them a little bit. I see
it in the sculptures. I see Maya references in sculptures
in that part of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Oh man.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
One of my favorite guys to follow on Twitter is
I think gregorarly Little, doctor gregorly Little.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Come on many times.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it looks so Mayan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Yeah, and do yeah, you totally do. It's amazing. The
documentary is called Mystic Maya Journey of Initiation. I guess
today's been Doug Beechwood. Doug, what would you like the
viewer to get out of this documentary? What's your hope
and desire for people to take away?

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Well, I think many people are drawn to the show
have a commonality and that they think that the world
is a lot older than we give it credit for.
So I want to give them some confidence in that
by by sharing the oral traditions of the people in
the documentary and a real insight into what some of
the ceremonies, beliefs and purposes of them of the Mayan

(01:12:06):
initiatory rights were. You know there there's counterparts in mystery
schools today, there's counterparts in Egypt. I think it makes
the world a smaller and more magical place to hold
all these things in your awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah, Now you're giving the listener, our Earth Ancients listener
a chance to see the documentary. Give us the I'm
going to take the link and put it on our
Facebook page, which is where we have a lot of
data with a banner of the graphic for the actual documentary.
But tell people how they can see it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Great, Well, you can see it coming up in September
on Amazon and streaming network near you. But in the meantime,
you can visit my Vimeo site Vimeo v I M
e O dot com slash spiral Media that's s p
I r A l M E d I A slash
Mystic Maya screener.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Okay, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Listening, I will have I'll have a link to it
on the Facebook page. Go to Earth Ancients. Excuse me,
go to UH Facebook, Go to Earth Ancients and I'll
have a graphic of the UH actual documentary and then
underneath it you'll see the Vimeo link that'll take.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
You right to it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
And I think Doug's been very generous because he's not
charging anything other than your email address. All you gotta
do is give him your email address and you will
get access to the I think it's almost an hour, right,
it's fifty eight minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
It's just over an hour, yeap, just over an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Yeah, So very well worth it, Very well done. And
my friend who unfortunately passed away and mentor the Maya
elder who butts men is the main focus of that,
so UH wonderful. What's coming up for you other than
promoting this uh this documentary dead well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I've got a lot of series in the works, and
that's part of what protromoting the documentary is about. Getting
distribution for it has been the big leap. I've written
up a thirteen part series that's all about the mist
the different Mayan pyramid complexes, and that's my intent in
the next several years is to you know, it's all
pre produced. When I'm trying to get the funding out
for it. What I want to do is one one

(01:14:29):
episode on each of the major temple complexes from Belize, Guatemala,
Honduras and have both Western archaeologists, have native shamans and
and and you know, light our footage and all the
bells and whistles. I think there's a real place to
bring together East and West and uh intellect and intuition.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
And it sounds like a Netflix series fella yeah, wink
wink Apocalypse. But maybe you know, purely because Graham. Graham
does cover uh, you know, the Maya, but briefly very well.
He has uh oh wait a minute, he has uh
Ed Barnhardt talk about it, doctor Ed Barnhardt, who's a miaist.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
M hmm, yeah, I mean he really got deep in
the last two episodes of season two some of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
So are you hoping for sponsorship from Netflix on this
new series?

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
It would be lovely to partner with Netflix. Yeah, that
would be absolutely a way to make it happen. You know,
I bootstrapped this other film. That's why I took a
decade to make it. But you know, it also took
me rising up the ranks of being being a person
that these elders would trust. So yes, you know they

(01:15:47):
go out with a microphone and say, tell me the
inside story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah, give us spill your guests so that everyone knows
all about it. What can you give us an idea
of what the expenses are to do this? This program,
Mystic Maya? Is it several thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Well, the film itself, I think outright, I spent about
one hundred and ten thousand over the course of many years.
And of course, being a filmmaker, I've produced many other
people's films, I've taught filmmaking, I've done all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
So you're behind the camera on all of Mystic.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Maya ninety percent of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Wow, I'm the editor, I'm the producer, I'm I'm the
Spike Lee, but you know that was I was the
guy I could afford. So if I had paid outright,
this would have been a four hundred thousand dollars you know,
to a five hundred thousand dollar production.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
And over how what period of time did the documentary.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
The documentary basically unfolded from around twenty twelve to the
five I wrapped it up in twenty twenty three and
started putting it out to film festivals. So over the
past year and a half it has garnered well an
auspicious mind number. It's garnered thirteen Interneutal Best Documentary Awards.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Oh right, I should mention that you have won quite
a few awards on this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
Yeah, it's come great in Europe. The first Hermatic Film
Festival in Italy. We aired at the Esoteric Film Festival
in Moscow, Russia. World premiere was an antique with Guatemala
Academy Deciny and it's it's it's just done remarkably well.
So I wanted to hold out the wide release with

(01:17:28):
UH with the streaming services until it had really finished.
It's its tour around the around the film festivals.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
And now I wanted to ask you, Doug I I
think I saw the director's cut. Is there a shorter
version that you have for a commercial release.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
I have a number of trailers that are the shorter
pieces that I've given on different shows. But director's cut
is is really the final cut?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Okay, it's the final cut. So that's that's the release cut. Yeah,
that's what people will see on the streaming service or
when they joined the join the mail list and and
and see the link.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Okay, hey Man, continued success, We'll get the word out
here on Earth ancients, and thanks for joining me Man,
really insightful.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
Well, it's been an honor, Cliff, thank you so much
and happy to know you're continuing to do good work.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
We're on the cusp of discovery with Maya. I really
think that it won't be anytime in the next few years.
It'll probably be within the next five to seven years.
I would say, someone's going to make a discovery. A
codus is going to be found, a document, a stela,
which is the standing stone markers, a tomb, so forth,

(01:18:41):
and so something is going to be found that really
begins giving us a closer look at the Maya and
their prowess. They're engineering prowess. I mean, people don't pay
enough attention to these pyramids, and we're going to be
in to call this. By the way, our Sacred Pyramid

(01:19:02):
Tour is December first of the second. For all the details,
including the itinerary, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward
slash tours and you can see the whole nine yards.
But what we're going to see in these new discoveries
is the fact that these are not just standing buildings.

(01:19:22):
They are energy centers. They are I think they're likely
to be transmuting energy and pumping it into the atmosphere,
and I think that's one of the roles of the
pyramids were and I think that's why Tesla was so
fascinated by pyramids and reproduced it with this Warncliffe Tower

(01:19:43):
in New York, United States, because you know, he understood
that you could probably create some energetic pulsion. It's not
that it was driving an engine of some kind. It's
just more like it was pumping energetics, pumping into the
atmosphe here. His goal was free energy, something we talk

(01:20:05):
about today, and that's over one hundred years ago. So
anyhow to see the details, go to go to Facebook,
go to Earth Ancients, I'll have the banner there. You
can click on the link below and all you gotta
do is go to Vimeo, give them your email address
and you can see the entire one hour and ten

(01:20:26):
minute documentary Mystic maya Journey of Initiation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
So that was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Hey, if you're a fan of Earth Ancients Destiny or
Earth Ancient's special Edition The Archives, please consider becoming a
subscriber for as little as five dollars a month. You
can support the work we do here on this podcast
We got and it really helps us. It really keeps
things going, keeps the lights on, and I would appreciate it.

(01:20:56):
All you gotta do is go to Patreon, that's PA
t R e o N dot com, Forward Slash Earth
Ancients and subscribe. We got a library of.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Gifts for you. You can choose.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
From over thirty five books now and all you got
to do should go in once you've subscribed, and you
download as many books as you want, and we upload
a new book every month, and these are excellent books.
It's a very co library and that's kind of a
thank you from us to you, so again. To become
a subscriber, go to Patreon dot com, Forward Slash Earth Ancients. Okay,

(01:21:36):
that's it for this program.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
I want to think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
My guest today Doug Beechwood, promoting his new documentary Mystic Maya.
As always, the team of Gailteur, Mark Foster and Facel,
our new video editor. You guys rock all right, Take
care of you well and we will talk to you
next time. Saw the