July 5, 2025 • 78 mins
In March 2025, the world was stunned.
Headlines across the globe reported that a team of Italian researchers had detected massive underground structures beneath Egypt’s iconic Pyramids of Giza. Utilizing a combination of synthetic aperture radar (SAR), acoustic data from the Earth’s surface, and AI-enhanced geospatial analysis, the team—known as The Khafre Project—has uncovered what some are calling a lost subterranean city, hidden for millennia.
The Khafre Project recently made international headlines with the announcement that a combination of cutting-edge sensing technologies—including synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and acoustical data—have revealed massive, unexplored structures lying deep beneath the Giza Plateau. Described as potentially "city-sized," the subterranean formations have stirred excitement and debate across scientific, archaeological, and alternative history circles.
“We understand the value this moment holds,” said Armando Mei. “We are working diligently to ensure the information we reveal at Cosmic Summit is not only significant but genuinely compelling.
Dr. Fillipo Biondi
Aerospace Engineer | Remote Sensing & Geospatial Analyst
With extensive experience in advanced radar processing and satellite-based sensing systems, Dr. Biondi applies aerospace technologies to terrestrial analysis—leading to discoveries previously invisible to archaeology.
Armando Mei
Egyptologist | Author | Independent Historical Researcher
A researcher known for investigating ancient Egyptian mysteries with fresh eyes and a deep respect for ancient texts. Mei brings a cross-disciplinary approach to one of the most enigmatic regions on Earth.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/earth-ancients--2790919/support.
Headlines across the globe reported that a team of Italian researchers had detected massive underground structures beneath Egypt’s iconic Pyramids of Giza. Utilizing a combination of synthetic aperture radar (SAR), acoustic data from the Earth’s surface, and AI-enhanced geospatial analysis, the team—known as The Khafre Project—has uncovered what some are calling a lost subterranean city, hidden for millennia.
The Khafre Project recently made international headlines with the announcement that a combination of cutting-edge sensing technologies—including synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and acoustical data—have revealed massive, unexplored structures lying deep beneath the Giza Plateau. Described as potentially "city-sized," the subterranean formations have stirred excitement and debate across scientific, archaeological, and alternative history circles.
“We understand the value this moment holds,” said Armando Mei. “We are working diligently to ensure the information we reveal at Cosmic Summit is not only significant but genuinely compelling.
Dr. Fillipo Biondi
Aerospace Engineer | Remote Sensing & Geospatial Analyst
With extensive experience in advanced radar processing and satellite-based sensing systems, Dr. Biondi applies aerospace technologies to terrestrial analysis—leading to discoveries previously invisible to archaeology.
Armando Mei
Egyptologist | Author | Independent Historical Researcher
A researcher known for investigating ancient Egyptian mysteries with fresh eyes and a deep respect for ancient texts. Mei brings a cross-disciplinary approach to one of the most enigmatic regions on Earth.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/earth-ancients--2790919/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, it's fourth of July weekend and I am and
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you are celebrating if you live in the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
This is our document of freedom from England and it
is a special time to be an American and we
think of what has happened, what is going to happen,
and how great it is to live in this country.
I love the United States and I appreciate it. Hey,
this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and we
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have really a special addition. We have the team behind
the Cafree Pyramid project that use this new unique satellite
imagery or satellite scanning tech known as SAR Synthetic Aperture Radar.
(01:39):
And we've had a number of different interpretations by people
who are outside of the scientific team. But today we
have Filipo Biondi, who is the technician, the SAR technology
specialist who actually requisition the satellite, this geological satellite and
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tweaked the scanning tech and scan the pyramids and scan
the Geeza plateau. And there's been so much debate about
the actual imagery that has been brought back and discussed.
People are saying they can't pass into the ground, it's
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not truly piercing the Caffree Pyramid. I'm glad to get
them on the program because in twenty twenty two they
did the Cufu Pyramid and all these unique rooms and
shafts and passages were detected, and the Egyptological community immediately
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deny that this was valid without even checking. And so
we have Filipo today, and we have Armando. He's an
Egyptologist and a co leader. We don't have Corado Malanga,
he is in Italy, but we have the man himself, Filipo.
(03:12):
I've been trying to get a hold of Felipo for
over a year and you'll hear hear You'll hear me
today in this interview basically going hey, so great to
have you on board. So this is really a special
edition simply because we want to get to the heart
of this technology. And I have been basically thinking that
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this SAR tech in the hands of archaeologists can wield
it in the same manner that they willed lightar. And
if you don't know what light lightar is, light ur
is used exclusively, almost exclusively for archaeological ruins, and it
has become a revolution. I think once they tweak the
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data from these satellites this SAR technology will be just
as potent, just as effective, and likely be another tool
for looking at archaeological ruins. Now, I have been thinking
that the data that has come back upsets Egyptologists quite
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a bit because they know they may feel like we're
crossing into their boundaries. I've been saying for probably over
a year now that if Egyptology archaeology don't come up
to speed and start adapting these new technologies, they're going
to be left in the dust. And when I say technologies,
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I'm not only talking about sorrow. I'm talking about toleric
field capturing technology that they can use to measure emissions.
And we know from John Burke, our dearly departed friend
who passed away, oh my seven eight years ago, that
using special capture scanning tech, you can measure the frequencies
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of emissions that is coming out of Maya Pyramids. Now
he went beyond that. He went to Kufu and he
said that he measured field radiation and other types of emissions,
as well as going to the Serpent mount in the
United States and a number of known sites including Tiba
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Tilacan in Mexico, Mexico City, and was able to measure
emissions from there that location. If archaeology does not come
up to speed and began adopting these emissions, they're going
to lose out to it, and a whole another field
is going to be developed that does begin understanding this
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and also understand that our ancestors, prior to our written history,
we're using these energies for environmental changes, for physical enhancements
and health, and probably the sky's the limit. If you
are pumping positive ions into the atmosphere along with other
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emissions that are causing positive physiological change. It's something to
be thinking about. And this is a whole new look
at the ancient past. And as much as I have
great friends that are archaeologists anthropologists, the closest friends I
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have agree with me that things have to change. You
go to college, you use and read from one hundred
and fifty year old books, outdated thinking that grant you
a PhD, but also grants you unfortunately, block thinking, constipated
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opinions of new thought. And this is where the universities
are beginning to fail. And we have a problem with that.
But I'm not going to get into a dissertation about
my problems with archaeology. I think if you're listening to
Earth ancients, who knows you know exactly what I'm talking about.
And many of our guests on this program have the
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same feeling that archaeology needs to begin to open their
eyes a little more. And the real sad thing is
that the Egyptological community, and I'm speaking of none other
than Mark Lerner and Zahie Hiuas are the probably the
worst candidates for disseminating information. If you caught Zahi Owas
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on Joe Rogan's program, it was not only an embarrassment,
but it's a sad statement about the whole field itself.
If this is the spokesperson for Egyptology, it's it's they're
in serious trouble. They're in serious trouble. So we're not
gonna We're not gonna take this much alonger, We're not gonna,
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you know, I I'm tired of putting up with it.
I go to Egypt almost every single year. I speak
to a number of different field archaeologists who are working
under people like Zahie Owas or similar mentality, and they
are frustrated and they are likely and I say this
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without too much problem, that in Egypt, the scientists are
about two to three decades behind the times. Refusing to
use light ar, refusing to use ground penetrating radar in
the most basic way is backwards. So but today's program
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is because again we have Filipo Beyondi. He is the
SARS specialist. He's from Italy and he's going to give
us an update not only on what they discovered, but
the applications for synthetic aperture radar in the future and
what we can expect. So today's program is the Caffrey
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Pyramid project, and my guests are Filipo Beyondi and Armando May.
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If you haven't heard about the Coffree Pyramid project, it
is a phenomenon that is sweeping the world right now.
It has to do with a new technology, or perhaps
a technology that's being reused called SAR, which is a
synthetic aperture radar. It's a new type of well it
may not be new, it's probably been used. We're going
to find out today. But there is a team that
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was put together to use this technology in scanning the
Giza Pyramids known as the Caffre and the Cufu Pyramids
and some other phenomenon in that area. We have with
us today. Felippo Biondi. He is a SAR technology specialist
who was primarily involved in researching this data and using
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it in the application. We also have Armando May he's
an Egyptologist. He's also a co leader. We've had Armando
on the program before. And the third individual is Carnado Malanga.
He is not available. He was the co leader. But
we have two out of three, which is excellent and
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I'm really happy to have all my guests today. So hey, guys,
welcome to Earth Ancients. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Oh, thank you, thank you, okay for your invitation.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I want to ask I want to ask you both,
and I'll start with Filipo. When did you determine that
this technology would work on pyramids? The'sur technology.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yes, at the beginning, I had some skepticism to make
it to work on the pyramids because my technique use
as the estimation all vibrations that are present on the
Earth in order to retrive tomographic inversions in order to
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scan underneath. We can say that this technology bond in
two tie two thousand and eighteen, when in Italy we
had something. There was a bridge located in Genera in
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north part of Italy and this bridge collapsed and it
was the it was called the Morandi bridge collapse because
of a storm happiness in during the during summer was
this period maybe in August, not now, and so I
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had to in my consciousness, I had to find a
man in order to prevent this kind of of the situation.
When storm interferes with bridges and let's say induces this infrastructure,
the so called the residance frequencies and when the restaurants
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frequency is again, it is very dangerous from the infrastructure.
And so I started the feasibility to perform investigation on
using synthetical virtual radar images produced from from space. You know,
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the use of synthetical lecture radar is very is not
innovative because the radar is very is a well done
technology that is located in the state of the art compound.
And also synthetical actual radar on such lights because there
are from a lot of time. But the innovation key
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point was given by the evaluation of metal that that
makes available the so called communication channel given by vibrations.
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Vibrations are a tiny movement of the earth and we
know that the acoustics are predominant, predominant, predominantly probably propagating,
propagating through the matter. And the more is dense and
the better is the feasibility to transmit this acoustic information
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because can be done using by a higher velocity.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And so.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
We started to do some experiments and experiments. All the
experiments I did are everyone published on academic journals be reviewed.
In twenty nineteen, I met our team leader which is
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the professor of Korada Malanga.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That was.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Professor at the University of Pisa and now he's retired.
And in that time he was studying the Pyramid of
and so also I was resonating on his topics and
I asked asked him, ask him to make some work
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together and I proposed him to use the evaluation of
synthetical virtual radar data. In the time, there was only
one research group working scientifically on the pyramids. That that
is also today the Scampyramid project. This Campyramid project that
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uses the information given by MOS. Yes, some particles that
are transmitted from the universe, and this Campyramid project uses
these particles in order to scan inside any amount. But
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we are using something different. So now we are there
is a second research group that scientifically is working not
only on the Pyramids but on all the Giza Plato,
which is our research group. That is the cover research problem.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, Amandel, was the was the satellite requisition by you
or did you already? Did you take existing data and
use that with the scan?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Maybe could because it's more Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes, we use as we used. We use at the
moment data that are collected, just collected by by satellites.
The satellites is imaged. You know when the satellite passes
on the on the and makes a photo.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So you have to find the longitude latitude specific to
the actual flight pattern.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yes, yes, you you just everyone can take photos by
satellites and not everyone can take it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So my other question is did you uh pick a
satellite that is known?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Obviously it has the star technology in it. But prior
to scanning the pyramids, was the specific type of scan
used for geology?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Absolutely, Yes. The snapshots are all stored into the company database.
Who wants can or buy the data or if they
are very available for philanthropic activities, it is our case
you can have data for free. In this case, I
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we asked the Capella Space, which is an American company,
and we start working with open source data, so not
only us, but everyone can manage this data. That is
a photo. Let's say, let's say like that it's like
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a photo. It is more more, much more, let's say,
in terms of information, has more than a simple picture.
But let's consider it like a picture. And this picture
has been reprocessed in order to extrapolate the vibrations of
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all the Giza plato.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay, so you explained to us that this star technology
captures the vibration. Yes, uh, and then you get back
raw data and then you as the technician have to
interpret that correct.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yes, we have we have the let's say they know
how in order to extrapolate vibrations from synthetical actual data,
which is, let's say they se this process. Once we
have the vibrations, we do the analysis, the so called
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the tomographic inversion in order to watch what there is underneath.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, what there's a lot of questions about the actual
depth of this technology. How deep I hear some people
say it can go up to two miles underground, some
people say several hundred feet. What what is the actual
depth of of the pyramid of the pyramid peers.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
So the actual depth, the maximum depth debt theoterically our
technique can gain, can be comparaible to in terms of
time delay. Because time delays. This is very important. Any
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geological tool does not measure a distance directly. The stances
are measured are measured by time delay. Why because the
space a distance is measured measured in terms of matter density,
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Because the acoustic information is propagating propagating only inside the matter,
and the more the matter density is the better, the
higher is velocity, So more space is done by the
acoustic information. Approximately, the maximum debt that we can reach
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can be in the order roll five kilometers below. Okay,
in the in the scans that we made on the
Giza plateau, we approximately estimated the distance underneath on about
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one point two or three one point to one point
five kilometers.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Kilometers. What is that, Armando? Is that like, uh, that's
like as as like seven.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Hundred in mice. I don't remember the.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We have to convert kilometers in mice, which is I think.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'll convert it here in a second, Armando, you joined
this team? What a couple of years ago? Were you
part of the CUFU scan group as well. Did you
what I mean? I think you sent me some photographs
of that early scan of the of the Cufu Pyramid
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and it was phenomenal. There was new rooms that were discovered,
there were new channels that radical What was the response
of the community to that? I thought it was pretty good,
but some people felt that you were making stuff up.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes, I had to say that.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I joined the group of research the first September twenty
twenty two because I was studying the northern shaft of
the Queen's chamber inside the Kuful Pyramids, because I together
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read Manusep Zadek and Jean Paulbolau, because we noted some
interesting details that could suggest possible existence of unknown chambers inside.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
The Great Pyramid.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And in that period I noted the stands of the
made by Philippo and Corrado that were working on the
Kufu Pyramid, and I noted also three D models that
they showed during a conference, and looking at the three
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D I noted that there was a possible connection between
an environment connected to the northern shaft of the Queen's
chambers and the environment detected by Coroado and Filippo Biondi.
That is why I enter in contact with them and
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we discuss very We had a very interesting discussion about
their work and partially about my job that I was made.
I made also on the Confre pyramid because as you know,
according to a multidiscipliney model of analysis based on mathematics
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and geometry, I discovered a connection between the Confree pyramid
and the number under thirty seven and it is a
basic number in physics because it's from tech number originated
the main three laws of physics. It means that Thatch
code if is connected to the Kafree pyramid. It means
that to build the pyramids already manage this code, this number.
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That is why I believe that was very important to
approach the study of the entire Giza Platol, so not
only the pyramids and the Sphinx, but also the birds,
the two temples beneath the pyramids, and so because I
believe there is a global project, so all the monuments
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are connected among them, and the scans through the the
r is showing that all the underground of Giza is connected.
So we decide to move together in this new kind
of study India, for to understand what is the purpose
of the Giza Plato. So with this idea to move
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with the co for research project. That leads us to
the conference of last March when we revealed the first
image of the underground of Pisa.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, fantastic. Now, one of the issues regarding this star
scan is using other methods to validate what has been discovered.
In other words, how do you follow up on just
a scan? And I think that one of the positive
outcomes was the scan of the Osiris shaft and you
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are able to scan this and also validate the entire
shaft itself from top to bottom, which is a validation,
isn't it. Pardon me, I can't talk. Would you say
that's a validation of your work?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yes, the validation is very important because when we are
measuring something that we know anything about it, we need
with using the technique, the same technique as to be
validated in order to have a comparation order of market,
so we can say we are what we are watching.
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So what we are measuring is like calibrating our measurement equipment.
So we studied everything beginning from the laboradory. This I
can suggest to watch the conference that we that we
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made in Malta. Because there is has been explained explained
the very in the in the DALs. So we started
from the laboratory where we was simulating the equipment that
we use it on the satellite. So in poratory we
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have a tune the technique using optical images. Once we
were able to scan let's say small inside a small
test environment located in laboratory, we moved approaching the technique
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using the first satellite images and we scanned inside the
environment where we knew exactly what we had to watch.
So we scanned inside the mountains where we knew exactly
what we had to know, specific tunnels, specific large infrastructure
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where we knew exactly what we had to what we
are what we were watching. For example, we scanned inside
the Grand Sas Todalia, which is a mountain located in
the central part of Italy, where inside in the core
of the mountain there is a physics laboratory and the
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physics laboratory where was detected and also evaluated the details
inside the laboratory. The laboratory is located currently located one
point four kilometers with respect to the top of the mountain,
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so this is very important. Once we tuned our software
like that we were using test sites. We began scanning
the Klungkufu pyramid. So we are referring on the work
that we did. I did do it Coroado, Malolanga in
twenty twenty two and we have we have measured t
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things that after six months. Also Zakia was estimated also
in C too. I am referring to the nine meters
long accordedor that he announced to that he announced that the.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Discussion in the corner that's above the entrance. Is that
what you're talking about right, yeah, actually.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Called the small void, so called small boyd Yes, okay,
And we.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Have the big discorder or previously the discover in C
to discover discover that Jakia was made and we can
see and we can say that with Zakia was because
he have a validated tower metal. So this is very important.
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And then once we had the chance to see that
the things were working, was working, we're working. I'm sorry,
we moved to scarn all the Jizabrato and so now
we are able to announce our measurements that I say
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it has to be validated within seedweck excavations, but with
a certain probability that in my personal opinion is very high.
We can announce that under each pyramid there are shafts
spirits with the spira nature that are that are belonging
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underneath for a lot of meters.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guests today Filippo beyond the and Armando May
discussing the Cafree Pyramid project. Will be right back.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
My guests today are Felipo Biondi and Armando May, two
of the three team members on the Caffrey Pyramid project
that took place last year and has had phenomenal results
from their satellite scan. Yeah, Armando, give us some more
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information about the chefts that have these I guess is
it a walkway or a stairway that kind of follows
down into the ground.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Well, of course, before to l the precise answer, we
have to explore the underneath of Giza and we hope
that in the future we can achieve the pyramits to
explore the underground. Meanwhile, we are examining them tomographies and
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we are trying to understand what lies beneath the pyramids.
There are shafts that archaracterized by spirits that goes from.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Down to up.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
And I believe that if we talk about one kilometers
point too, I believe that we cannot talk about staircase.
But in my personal opinion, I believe that the spirits
may be some kind of metals that characterize the shops.
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But it's only my opinion for twelve a certainty we
must excavate on the gist of Pats of India fort
to find the correct solution to this mystery. But as
I said to you, in my opinion, the only answer
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that we can give in this moment, it is just
only an opinion. And as I said, in my opinion,
it's metal.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
When we look at these scans, it makes us think
about Christian's book that these are machines rather than tombs.
A Filippo, what is your feeling either of the Kufu
or the Caffreine pyramids in terms of what their role was.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yes, I thanks Christopher DNA that was very patient to
also to join us at the YouTube channel of nicol
Chicolo and we had a very nice transmission streaming talking
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about this task. Of course, Yes, the Jessa Plateau, so
I agree with the with with the Christopher Dunn. So
what we can say in my personal obinion is this
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the Jisa plateau has to be considered entirely from north
south east west underneath up to the stars in terms
of calibration on calibrated two stars.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It has to be considered entirely. It is can have
more than one purpose, of course, but it is not
possible to consider separately the things. So the pyramid is
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things separately, but entirely, and considering what we are discovering
these days, the pyramids are can be considered the like
hats that are located on the Giza platoon. Two weeks
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ago we had a very nice conference in Florence where
we met the pink lefamily and Mario Ping was an
Egypto egyptologist very famous that he discovered for the first
time the jug, which is that multiliyer monument that is
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located inside the Kunum Kufu pyramid that is located on
the top of the king's chamber. So the jug is
a monument that is made all in granite and it
is separated from the structure of the pyramid. So it
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is like that all the pyramid is like a caver
that is on top of the Jiesa plateau in order
to preserve something or to make a propagate something that
is very near to vibetions. So all the gesab Plato.
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To know really what the Jesus Plata was, we have
to go to watch things personally, so we have to excavate. No, excavate,
not so much. I suggest you again to see the
I to see the Moulta conference that we did, because
there there are something about the shafts, very important about
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the shafts that are visible inside from the surface of
the outside, from the surface of the Giese Plato.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But let's see.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And so it is true. I convinced myself that the
pyramids can be considered only the tip of the iceberger
of something very huge colors that is located underneath.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, Armando, what is your feeling of the potential purpose?
And also, while you're on that subject, does it seem
like this is a dynastic invention or is it pretty
dynastic Some very early people made these big machines.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, you know that.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
I am in the field of Egyptology since twenty five
years and I started from the academic field because I
studied the most famous Egyptologists such as Petrie Salimasan a gardener,
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George Art and Williams and so on. Because I was
fascinated by the Pyramids party earlier, but a long the time,
I noted many clues suggesting that the Egyptians during the
Fourth Dynasty were not able to build such a kind
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of monuments because of the architectural engineering features, but also
because of the logistics. You know that, for example, the
Great Pyramid, the King's chambers is composed by granite blocks
of the weight of seventy tones that were transported from
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the Aswan quarries that are nine hundred kilometers from Gisa.
So it is really very hard to suggest the possible
construction of those monuments during the Dynastic Age. Moreover, inside
the pyramids were not found any kind of hieroglyphics, for
example celebrating the pharaohs, or all traces of funery.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Varied and so on.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
So in my PI started to study the alternative theories,
and as I wrote in my English book The Secrets
of the Gods, I described my opinion. It is not
in opinion, but is a very scientific study based on
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multidisciplinary patterns of investigation, based on astronomy, mathematics and physics
and geometry, showing a world that is really fascinating because
of the connection with the mathematical constant for example, of
all monuments involved in the global project with astronomer and
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so I believe that the Ulisa Patuc was built by
a preceding civilization that lived on Earth in the ancient past.
Now who were I don't know, but the myth for example,
for example, the Book of Death, all the text of
itful for example, just the existence of a preceding civilization
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that was destroyed in the ancient past by a cataclysm
that destroyed the preceding civilization. So, in my opinion, the
Giza Parto is witness of this civilization that lived on
the on Earth and then relieved all aground the world
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monuments that are very similar. So I believe that it
was a global civilization. They lived in South America and Africa,
Europe and Asia, Middle East and so on, So a
global civilization that lived before us.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Interesting. Filippo, what is your opinion of the technology behind
the Giza Pyramids. Do you think it's something that was
part of the dynastics that we know of, or was
it something that is from a large civilization.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
In your opinion, yes, in that I am not expecting this.
I have to say that I'm not expected. But now
are some years that I am studying the Pyramids from
twenty eighteen since now. But I tell you again that
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I am not expected. So this is what I'm saying
is related to my personal opinion, and also according to
the books written by people that are more expected than me,
and also the books of Armando, I could understand that
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there was another civilization before let's call it a catastrophic event.
I believe in the exact type, there was a time
that where when the Pyramids were built, but not the Pyramids,
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the Giza Plateau was built. Because the Pyramids are can
be considered that the end of this colossal work that
were made. The Gizza Plateau was built by an ancient
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civilization where some kind of technology based on maybe based
on acoustics, and so this civilization was able to do
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we are just discovering now. So when I'm saying that
civilization debt where leaving they the territory, let's call it
off km before during a zetep. Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Right in the images taken of the Kufu Pyramid. There
are descending shafts that go deep under the surface of
the of the of the area. Was is it your
belief that this was used to suck water out of
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the nile or did you go and analyze it a
little further after the scans were done to determine what
these descending shafts are because in the rendering of the
data they're very very deep and very large.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yes, yes, the different infrastructures that we have found that
we found are very huge and they go very deep.
Thank you for these questions because a lot of people
are asking us information about these shafts. The correlated to
the water table that is located underneath. Also there is
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water underneathings.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
We have.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Estimated that we have found. Also we have correlating our
results with water. Again, I suggest to suggest the people
to watch the confidence we had the model, because what's
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very important this confidence. And there we we did. We
we said a lot of things technically once related to
the water, the shafts, the particular shape given by the
shafts because they have a spiral nature, so there is
it is something spiral like that that goes down. Because
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we are watching this nature on the on the on
our measurements, So we are measured measuring something that is
not an addural. We are measuring something that has a
spiral behavior. And we are also measuring that these shafts
are very huge and very deep and they go also
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below the water.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Day.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
Yes, I want, I would like to add some information
on the correlation between the Giza Plateau and the water,
partly salt water, because you have to know that. In
nineteen twenty two, German geologist announce the discover of a
river connecting the Mediterranean Sea with the desert of Libya
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and Egypt. Fine I found artificial channels going towards maybe
also Giza and the Tatara Depression, and the river contained saltwater.
I was called Ornil, the twin net with the will
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the denial. And also in nineteen twenty nine two geologists
of the University of Chicago made an interesting survey in
the regional Fayoum discovering channels, artificial channels leading towards north
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to towards Giza containing southwater. So it's very interesting to
underline that there is a place on the Giza plateaul
party that some both the birth that is characterized by
conduits and channels that goes underneath, and there is an
interesting and impressive water erosion and also traces of sodium.
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So it is possible that the tomb of the birds
was basing characterized by salt water that was connected to
the network developed in the underground that we are discovering
with the SAAR. So it is very interesting. I will
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explain better this topic at the conference in Chicago the
Global Pyramid on September. So it is interested could found
information on the Global Pyramid network dot com and I
will explain better this topic because I believe it's very
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very important to understand the possible function of all the
structures of geese, as the monuments on surface and the
network underneath.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I mean, I've been down to the subterranean shaft in
the Kufu Pyramid and when you get down there, all
those stones look to be water eroded.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Water was particularly the subterranean chambers, to the floor of
the subterranean chambers, and also the structures the wall present
water erosion. So it means that in the chambers.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
There was water.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, it has to be. We're going to take a
short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves
and we will return shortly with my guest stars, technician
Filippo Bioni and archaeologist Armando May discussing their work on
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the Caffre Pyramid project. We'll return shortly. Today's interview is
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highlighting the new technology known as SARS, which is synthetic
aperture radar, which will revolutionize our understanding of archaeological sites
and also a way of looking into our ancient past. Filippo,
in the images of the Caffree interior of the pyramid,
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there seems to be five different relieving chambers. There's only
one that we know of in the Kufu Pyramid. Was
are any egypt trilogists confirming that there's five or there?
Are they still waiting the yes inspect these.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Thank you for this question. We are measuring five structures
that are similar like the jet. The unique structure that
is located and I repeat was discovered for the first
time by Mario Binkle, which is the jet.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
So the function of the.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yes according to this to this we can say this.
According to this correlation, we measured acoustic activities where were
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we are depicting the structures multi multilayer structures very similar
like the one is present in the So we because
of several confirmation of these measurements were done using different satellites. Also,
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we are confident that the treaty model that we have
depicted and showed, so the model concerning the upper part
of the Kfre pyramid where we are depicting five structures
like the one that are present that is present in
the CLUNKOFU. We are confident. The moment, we we don't
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have confirmation because because could be nice when the results
of this Campyramid project may be cold to confirm our
our hypothesis that it is not a hypothesis. Be attention,
let's let's focus on this are measurements. The hypothesis that
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we're done was passing from the measurements to the three
D model. Okay, that it is an hypothesis given by
our reconstruction. So from the measurements to the image three
D model. Okay, So when the Campyramid project will give
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their results, we can can be.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
A very.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
Nice opportunity to match the results the Moon results with
our results. Okay. So oh, we are leaving all this planet.
Everyone is leaving on this planet, so we have to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
It is not.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
A nice thing to be separated. So when this s
Campyramid project is also are available, we maybe match everything
together and give it better.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
And I love what you're saying, Philippo, but the problem
with the Scan Pyramid group is they work with the
Antiquities Department and only a small portion of their data
has been released to the public. And this is the
real problem. And I love the fact that you guys
just said, we're doing it, whether you like it or not.
We're scared. We're scanning the pyramid and we're going to
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report our data. The Scan Pyramid people mentioned this void
above the King's Chamber, but then we're not allowed to
release the data.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
They We are waiting since twenty fifteen the results of
the Skin Pyramids. Ten years has passed passed, but until
now we don't have any kind of scientific evidence of
their job. They're discovers and not so I hope that
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one day the Scan Pyramids will release the content of
their work in the effort to comperate their data with ours.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, but have either one of you spoken to anybody
at the Scan Pyramid organization to determine what that void
above the King's chamber is or are they not releasing
the data.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
Yes, in my personal opinion, it's true. Yes, the scam
Pyramid project to give us the announcement of a big
void on the Grand Gale a little, but they don't
know exactly the position orientation. Okay, it is this an
important opportunity to join together us because we have our
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results where we have seen also the big void. But
not because we are more professional than them, I'm not
saying this, but also we've found something that can be
related to.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
A big void.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Just correlating, correlating the results using two independent research group
will give us the certainly, the certain certainty to have
located in the space exactly the space the big void,
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or just I make you the example of the corridor,
the nine meters corridor, the nine meters corridor where was
estimated by us and published to the results and estimated
by the Scampyramian project six months later with respect to us,
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they published the results after this. After this, zachiawas made
the in C to performation. So he made the the
the in C two measurements with a small camera and
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so announced that everyone they discovered the existence of this corridor.
But when I made it, I correlated my results with
them and so everything matched. So it is only to
stress the fact that research groups has to collaborate, not
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be divided by I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yes, but my question to either of you is why
has all the scanned pyramid data been released to the public.
Why are they keeping certain parts of that data quiet?
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
That's why. I don't know. I don't know what amount.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
I don't know me too, I don't know. Maybe they
end to that.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I mean it's been you know, like you said, it's
been since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen they did their work, so.
Speaker 5 (59:36):
You know, this is I agree with with the Philippo
because I believe that Sacawas should be smarter on that topic,
and because it's it is very important to collaborate between
the project or research. So I don't know. I don't
understand why we drove conferences because of the presen the
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Italian team. It was it isn't a great opportunity to
share knowledge, experiences, data in the interest of humanity, not
in the interest of Zakia Wwass or Mandomeea, Flippo Boni
or Coradoblaga, but in the interest of humankind that have
that must know what happened in the engine past? What
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are our origins? So it's it's very important the collaborations
between men, between groups of research and so on. So
I suggest to Zakiawas and this team to be more
smarter on that topic and to start to have a
different point of view in the effort to find the
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common path of research that could help us to understand
what happened in the engine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Post Armando real quickly on that subject. Why would and
this is a possibility, and this is being a little
pid on my part. Why is there a reason why
the Egyptological community and the Antiquities department in Egypt we
want to hold on and repress data. Is it because
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in our worst thoughts that they don't want us to
know about an ancient civilization that may have been highly
sophisticated prior to our written history.
Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
So you know in my opinion that it's in my opinion,
my personal opinion, if we could show that in the
ancient past, before our civilization, there was another human civilization
that gave birth to our civilization, it is a reason
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of proud for the Egyptians that are the seats of
the recient civilization of the modern civilization and it could
improve also the tourism, for example. It's very important for
the Egyptians authority to understand that because we can show
that in the ancient past there was a human civilization
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that built the pyramids and all the Gista, in my opinion,
is very important for the Egyptians to all and then
for the humanity. So I don't understand why they are so.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
They don't want to discuss with us, and the egypt
Egyptology community is not open to this kind of discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, it's very suspicious, very strange. Filippo Trevor Grassi has
been working with William Brown, and William did some ground
penetrating radar many years ago and discover an intricate tunnel
system in the is a plateau in your skins. Have
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you found or have you followed his suggested area where
there's tunnels and if so, do they lead to the
Nile or have you discovered a path?
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I thanks Turbo Grassy because he contributed to give us
some suggestion in order to scan the dia plata. We
at the moment we are, we know the moment we
have scanned already some particular shafts vertical shafts that are
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visible from the Diga Plato and more exactly on the
space belonging between the Caffe pyramid and the sphinx. There
are some shofts that has a squared base that goes underneath.
But at certain depth there are they are blocked by
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soil something that can cannot that are blocked, that is
blocking the shaft. So we have measured those shafts and
we have seen that they go deta underneath, and so
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we are considering those like an entrance possibility to entrance
at let's say, the the connections or all inside all
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the tunnels that are located underneath. So that shafts, if
we do some cleaning a t it is on those shafts,
maybe we can entrance in the so called the city
that is located underneath. Just to tell you, in the
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Joe Rogan Experience broadcast, when zakiawas was interviewed by Joe
that I I thanks Joe to cite us several times
in his broadcast, Zaki Professora was told Joe that he
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was open to have a contact with us.
Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
So we are.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We are available now and yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
This is my mail. Yeah, and he can write me
when he wants. This is my email.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Okay, we're looking at that. I'll make sure we put
that on our video. I actually know a couple of
his producers, So if you want to go on, Joe Rogan,
I can help you with that. This should be a problem.
As we conclude, my friends, give us an idea what
the future holds for your research in the Giza Plateau. Obviously,
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from a scientific perspective, we want additional validation for what
you've discovered. Obviously the permissions have to come from the
Antiquities Department for archaeological digs, any kind of new science
on the plateau itself. I know for a fact that
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Zahilwass was very unhappy that you didn't go through the
Antiquities Department before you released your data. Personally, and I
go to Egypt every year, I thank you all both
for publishing your data, because it's just you have to
wait years and years and years and years and years
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for information to come out of the department. So what
do you see as the future in the Giza Plateau?
And the final question would be do you think Sar
will be like Ldar in the future where science will
use it on a regular basis.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
And I answered, okay, I answered your last question for
first in my best sound opinion. Yes, because I am
really convinced on my technique. I am convinced that it
works very efficiently. What I have to do is to
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improve there is a rules on I have to work
work more on it. I am aware that maybe some
tomograms are a bit noisy. Yes, okay, so it has
to be optimized and that's my job, So why will
do it. But on the other hand, of course, yes,
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satellite technology is growing up, and it's growing up because
there are a lot of nice things that are coming
on the on the stage. And so I believe in
this in science, and I believe also in the space
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and satellite technology for archaeological purpose. So this is my
personal opinion and I am very firm.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
On this catage.
Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
In my opinion, there are two points that are very important.
First of all, the historical and archaeological purpose of the
Giza patog because I believe that it's important to explore
the underground. That of course, also the pyramids, because I
believe that all the new environments that through the s
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a are we found inside the great the Pyramid of Kufu,
for example, or into the kaf Pyramid.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Must be explored to know better what is the.
Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
The consistence of the those environments. And what is important
is also to move high in the technological scientific approach
to the techniques of the protocol beyond the protocol. And
this is important for example to unknowns that months ago
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we sign an agreement with the Antennato's Foundation of Delaware
and the Professor Howard ep Stand for the university in
the effort to study better the technology is applying that
also in civil application and of course in the archaeological project.
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So I believe that the SAAR is the future for
archaeology because experimental archaeology and the eyes side of my
technology not invasive, could there p us to know better
the mystery solved from many archaeological sites.
Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
They were built all around the world.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Fantastic Flippo, BEYONDI and Armando may thank you very much
for being on the program. Continue success. You guys have
really done an amazing job, and as somebody who travels
to Egypt every year, I'm really really happy with the
work you're doing and I hope that you can continue.
So thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
For thank you, thank you so much, Cliff, and I
hope to meet the American community at the two conference.
Uh okay that we will attend in Denver in August
at the Ancient Civiliz Ocean Conference and in Chicago to
the Global Pyramid Conference. And we hope to meet the
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American conference and maybe you oh.
Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah, hey, you guys are doing the you guys are
doing the Guaya conference.
Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
A fantastic So we can meet in a person at
Guya Conference, then that's great, We'll come out and see you.
Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Hey much success and thank you both.
Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Cheers, thank you, thank you, to you, thank you, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Chow.
Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I kept getting the sense that this technology is still
in its infancy and at some point for it to
be used more widely, there's going to have to be
a training program that is similar to Lighter, where the
scans are done and then the data is brought back
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and then it's tuned and cleaned up and used for
identification of archaeological ruins. I have seen. If you, by
the way, if you have not seen I have seen
these three D scans. If you have not seen these scans,
go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients and look at
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the actual graphics. They are color, some of them are
very detailed, some of them are not. And it's again,
it's a technology that's in its infancy and we're going
to have to wait until it's refined. There's a great
number of archaeologists that are just very skeptical of this,
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and understandably so, because it's noise, it's vibration converted to graphs,
and you don't see really hard evidence like you see
in the light are so you have to I think
it has to be taken to the next level, maybe
SAR two point zero, where you begin to refine the
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data and you get more of a clear definition of
the chaff or of a tomb or some artifact, so
it's more id identifiable. An archaeologists perhaps feel more comfortable saying, yes,
that's a chaff, or that's a room, or this is
a corridor or something. And that's the key. Now, if
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you saw the CUFU three dimensional representations taken from the stars,
that's very easy to look at, but that's twenty twenty
two data, and I think they've refined the actual stars imagery,
so once you see the graphics you'll know what I'm
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talking about. They're rough, and they are vibrations, so I
think there has to be another phase of this technology
for more white skill acceptance, which makes it something to consider. Again.
When light Our first came out, there were similar issues
with imagery. So again I'm calling it synthetic aperture radar
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two point zero, which would be a refined version of
what we're looking at. So there you go. I hope
you enjoyed that. I got more details on just how
the technology works and how it's captured, and we'll be
hearing more from them because they're going to be doing
more scanning. In fact, we'll have a similar interview in
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a few weeks with the Hawara group that did the
Hawara Pyramid in southern Egypt and also captured the underground
labyrinth with great detail. This imagery was taken in almost
ten years ago. In fact, we had Carmen Balter on
the program a couple of times talking about it, so
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we'll get a sense of how far these scans have
come and the importance of them. So hey, I want
to mention there. Atlantis Summit is a conference that's coming
up on the twelfth and thirteenth of this month, Saturday
and Sunday. It's a two day program filled with amazing
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speakers and programs were sponsoring it. I'm giving a talk
on Mayan pyramid technology and what we understand about that.
For the full program and a huge discount, go to
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the program, it's a complete streaming conference. Everything's online type
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twelfth through the thirteen. You can see Robert Schock, doctor
samu Asmano mich Matt Lacroix, Mohammed Amberheim and many many
others discussing ancient technology as it relates to Atlantis. We
think that these technologies are offshoots of the mother culture
that we consider what Plato called Atlantis. Again, this is
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a I can't miss conference July twelfth to the thirteenth.
For more information, go to geophilia dot com and see
all the details. All right, that's it for this program.
I want to think my guest today, Filippo Bioni, coming
to us from Rome and Armando May coming to us
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also from Rome, discussing the Cafree Pyramid project. As always
the team of Gail tor Mark Foster and fas ol
Our Video Tech. You guys rock all right, take care
of you well and we will see you next time.
Yeah, it's fourth of July weekend and I am and
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you are celebrating if you live in the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
This is our document of freedom from England and it
is a special time to be an American and we
think of what has happened, what is going to happen,
and how great it is to live in this country.
I love the United States and I appreciate it. Hey,
this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and we
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have really a special addition. We have the team behind
the Cafree Pyramid project that use this new unique satellite
imagery or satellite scanning tech known as SAR Synthetic Aperture Radar.
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And we've had a number of different interpretations by people
who are outside of the scientific team. But today we
have Filipo Biondi, who is the technician, the SAR technology
specialist who actually requisition the satellite, this geological satellite and
(02:05):
tweaked the scanning tech and scan the pyramids and scan
the Geeza plateau. And there's been so much debate about
the actual imagery that has been brought back and discussed.
People are saying they can't pass into the ground, it's
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not truly piercing the Caffree Pyramid. I'm glad to get
them on the program because in twenty twenty two they
did the Cufu Pyramid and all these unique rooms and
shafts and passages were detected, and the Egyptological community immediately
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deny that this was valid without even checking. And so
we have Filipo today, and we have Armando. He's an
Egyptologist and a co leader. We don't have Corado Malanga,
he is in Italy, but we have the man himself, Filipo.
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I've been trying to get a hold of Felipo for
over a year and you'll hear hear You'll hear me
today in this interview basically going hey, so great to
have you on board. So this is really a special
edition simply because we want to get to the heart
of this technology. And I have been basically thinking that
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this SAR tech in the hands of archaeologists can wield
it in the same manner that they willed lightar. And
if you don't know what light lightar is, light ur
is used exclusively, almost exclusively for archaeological ruins, and it
has become a revolution. I think once they tweak the
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data from these satellites this SAR technology will be just
as potent, just as effective, and likely be another tool
for looking at archaeological ruins. Now, I have been thinking
that the data that has come back upsets Egyptologists quite
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a bit because they know they may feel like we're
crossing into their boundaries. I've been saying for probably over
a year now that if Egyptology archaeology don't come up
to speed and start adapting these new technologies, they're going
to be left in the dust. And when I say technologies,
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I'm not only talking about sorrow. I'm talking about toleric
field capturing technology that they can use to measure emissions.
And we know from John Burke, our dearly departed friend
who passed away, oh my seven eight years ago, that
using special capture scanning tech, you can measure the frequencies
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of emissions that is coming out of Maya Pyramids. Now
he went beyond that. He went to Kufu and he
said that he measured field radiation and other types of emissions,
as well as going to the Serpent mount in the
United States and a number of known sites including Tiba
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Tilacan in Mexico, Mexico City, and was able to measure
emissions from there that location. If archaeology does not come
up to speed and began adopting these emissions, they're going
to lose out to it, and a whole another field
is going to be developed that does begin understanding this
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and also understand that our ancestors, prior to our written history,
we're using these energies for environmental changes, for physical enhancements
and health, and probably the sky's the limit. If you
are pumping positive ions into the atmosphere along with other
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emissions that are causing positive physiological change. It's something to
be thinking about. And this is a whole new look
at the ancient past. And as much as I have
great friends that are archaeologists anthropologists, the closest friends I
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have agree with me that things have to change. You
go to college, you use and read from one hundred
and fifty year old books, outdated thinking that grant you
a PhD, but also grants you unfortunately, block thinking, constipated
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opinions of new thought. And this is where the universities
are beginning to fail. And we have a problem with that.
But I'm not going to get into a dissertation about
my problems with archaeology. I think if you're listening to
Earth ancients, who knows you know exactly what I'm talking about.
And many of our guests on this program have the
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same feeling that archaeology needs to begin to open their
eyes a little more. And the real sad thing is
that the Egyptological community, and I'm speaking of none other
than Mark Lerner and Zahie Hiuas are the probably the
worst candidates for disseminating information. If you caught Zahi Owas
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on Joe Rogan's program, it was not only an embarrassment,
but it's a sad statement about the whole field itself.
If this is the spokesperson for Egyptology, it's it's they're
in serious trouble. They're in serious trouble. So we're not
gonna We're not gonna take this much alonger, We're not gonna,
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you know, I I'm tired of putting up with it.
I go to Egypt almost every single year. I speak
to a number of different field archaeologists who are working
under people like Zahie Owas or similar mentality, and they
are frustrated and they are likely and I say this
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without too much problem, that in Egypt, the scientists are
about two to three decades behind the times. Refusing to
use light ar, refusing to use ground penetrating radar in
the most basic way is backwards. So but today's program
(08:59):
is because again we have Filipo Beyondi. He is the
SARS specialist. He's from Italy and he's going to give
us an update not only on what they discovered, but
the applications for synthetic aperture radar in the future and
what we can expect. So today's program is the Caffrey
(09:25):
Pyramid project, and my guests are Filipo Beyondi and Armando May.
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If you haven't heard about the Coffree Pyramid project, it
is a phenomenon that is sweeping the world right now.
It has to do with a new technology, or perhaps
a technology that's being reused called SAR, which is a
synthetic aperture radar. It's a new type of well it
may not be new, it's probably been used. We're going
to find out today. But there is a team that
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was put together to use this technology in scanning the
Giza Pyramids known as the Caffre and the Cufu Pyramids
and some other phenomenon in that area. We have with
us today. Felippo Biondi. He is a SAR technology specialist
who was primarily involved in researching this data and using
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it in the application. We also have Armando May he's
an Egyptologist. He's also a co leader. We've had Armando
on the program before. And the third individual is Carnado Malanga.
He is not available. He was the co leader. But
we have two out of three, which is excellent and
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I'm really happy to have all my guests today. So hey, guys,
welcome to Earth Ancients. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Oh, thank you, thank you, okay for your invitation.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I want to ask I want to ask you both,
and I'll start with Filipo. When did you determine that
this technology would work on pyramids? The'sur technology.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yes, at the beginning, I had some skepticism to make
it to work on the pyramids because my technique use
as the estimation all vibrations that are present on the
Earth in order to retrive tomographic inversions in order to
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scan underneath. We can say that this technology bond in
two tie two thousand and eighteen, when in Italy we
had something. There was a bridge located in Genera in
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north part of Italy and this bridge collapsed and it
was the it was called the Morandi bridge collapse because
of a storm happiness in during the during summer was
this period maybe in August, not now, and so I
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had to in my consciousness, I had to find a
man in order to prevent this kind of of the situation.
When storm interferes with bridges and let's say induces this infrastructure,
the so called the residance frequencies and when the restaurants
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frequency is again, it is very dangerous from the infrastructure.
And so I started the feasibility to perform investigation on
using synthetical virtual radar images produced from from space. You know,
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the use of synthetical lecture radar is very is not
innovative because the radar is very is a well done
technology that is located in the state of the art compound.
And also synthetical actual radar on such lights because there
are from a lot of time. But the innovation key
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point was given by the evaluation of metal that that
makes available the so called communication channel given by vibrations.
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Vibrations are a tiny movement of the earth and we
know that the acoustics are predominant, predominant, predominantly probably propagating,
propagating through the matter. And the more is dense and
the better is the feasibility to transmit this acoustic information
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because can be done using by a higher velocity.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And so.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
We started to do some experiments and experiments. All the
experiments I did are everyone published on academic journals be reviewed.
In twenty nineteen, I met our team leader which is
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the professor of Korada Malanga.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That was.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Professor at the University of Pisa and now he's retired.
And in that time he was studying the Pyramid of
and so also I was resonating on his topics and
I asked asked him, ask him to make some work
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together and I proposed him to use the evaluation of
synthetical virtual radar data. In the time, there was only
one research group working scientifically on the pyramids. That that
is also today the Scampyramid project. This Campyramid project that
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uses the information given by MOS. Yes, some particles that
are transmitted from the universe, and this Campyramid project uses
these particles in order to scan inside any amount. But
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we are using something different. So now we are there
is a second research group that scientifically is working not
only on the Pyramids but on all the Giza Plato,
which is our research group. That is the cover research problem.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, Amandel, was the was the satellite requisition by you
or did you already? Did you take existing data and
use that with the scan?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Maybe could because it's more Yes.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes, we use as we used. We use at the
moment data that are collected, just collected by by satellites.
The satellites is imaged. You know when the satellite passes
on the on the and makes a photo.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So you have to find the longitude latitude specific to
the actual flight pattern.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yes, yes, you you just everyone can take photos by
satellites and not everyone can take it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So my other question is did you uh pick a
satellite that is known?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Obviously it has the star technology in it. But prior
to scanning the pyramids, was the specific type of scan
used for geology?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Absolutely, Yes. The snapshots are all stored into the company database.
Who wants can or buy the data or if they
are very available for philanthropic activities, it is our case
you can have data for free. In this case, I
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we asked the Capella Space, which is an American company,
and we start working with open source data, so not
only us, but everyone can manage this data. That is
a photo. Let's say, let's say like that it's like
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a photo. It is more more, much more, let's say,
in terms of information, has more than a simple picture.
But let's consider it like a picture. And this picture
has been reprocessed in order to extrapolate the vibrations of
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all the Giza plato.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay, so you explained to us that this star technology
captures the vibration. Yes, uh, and then you get back
raw data and then you as the technician have to
interpret that correct.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yes, we have we have the let's say they know
how in order to extrapolate vibrations from synthetical actual data,
which is, let's say they se this process. Once we
have the vibrations, we do the analysis, the so called
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the tomographic inversion in order to watch what there is underneath.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, what there's a lot of questions about the actual
depth of this technology. How deep I hear some people
say it can go up to two miles underground, some
people say several hundred feet. What what is the actual
depth of of the pyramid of the pyramid peers.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
So the actual depth, the maximum depth debt theoterically our
technique can gain, can be comparaible to in terms of
time delay. Because time delays. This is very important. Any
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geological tool does not measure a distance directly. The stances
are measured are measured by time delay. Why because the
space a distance is measured measured in terms of matter density,
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Because the acoustic information is propagating propagating only inside the matter,
and the more the matter density is the better, the
higher is velocity, So more space is done by the
acoustic information. Approximately, the maximum debt that we can reach
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can be in the order roll five kilometers below. Okay,
in the in the scans that we made on the
Giza plateau, we approximately estimated the distance underneath on about
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one point two or three one point to one point
five kilometers.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Kilometers. What is that, Armando? Is that like, uh, that's
like as as like seven.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Hundred in mice. I don't remember the.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We have to convert kilometers in mice, which is I think.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'll convert it here in a second, Armando, you joined
this team? What a couple of years ago? Were you
part of the CUFU scan group as well. Did you
what I mean? I think you sent me some photographs
of that early scan of the of the Cufu Pyramid
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and it was phenomenal. There was new rooms that were discovered,
there were new channels that radical What was the response
of the community to that? I thought it was pretty good,
but some people felt that you were making stuff up.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes, I had to say that.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I joined the group of research the first September twenty
twenty two because I was studying the northern shaft of
the Queen's chamber inside the Kuful Pyramids, because I together
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read Manusep Zadek and Jean Paulbolau, because we noted some
interesting details that could suggest possible existence of unknown chambers inside.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
The Great Pyramid.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And in that period I noted the stands of the
made by Philippo and Corrado that were working on the
Kufu Pyramid, and I noted also three D models that
they showed during a conference, and looking at the three
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D I noted that there was a possible connection between
an environment connected to the northern shaft of the Queen's
chambers and the environment detected by Coroado and Filippo Biondi.
That is why I enter in contact with them and
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we discuss very We had a very interesting discussion about
their work and partially about my job that I was made.
I made also on the Confre pyramid because as you know,
according to a multidiscipliney model of analysis based on mathematics
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and geometry, I discovered a connection between the Confree pyramid
and the number under thirty seven and it is a
basic number in physics because it's from tech number originated
the main three laws of physics. It means that Thatch
code if is connected to the Kafree pyramid. It means
that to build the pyramids already manage this code, this number.
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That is why I believe that was very important to
approach the study of the entire Giza Platol, so not
only the pyramids and the Sphinx, but also the birds,
the two temples beneath the pyramids, and so because I
believe there is a global project, so all the monuments
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are connected among them, and the scans through the the
r is showing that all the underground of Giza is connected.
So we decide to move together in this new kind
of study India, for to understand what is the purpose
of the Giza Plato. So with this idea to move
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with the co for research project. That leads us to
the conference of last March when we revealed the first
image of the underground of Pisa.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, fantastic. Now, one of the issues regarding this star
scan is using other methods to validate what has been discovered.
In other words, how do you follow up on just
a scan? And I think that one of the positive
outcomes was the scan of the Osiris shaft and you
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are able to scan this and also validate the entire
shaft itself from top to bottom, which is a validation,
isn't it. Pardon me, I can't talk. Would you say
that's a validation of your work?
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yes, the validation is very important because when we are
measuring something that we know anything about it, we need
with using the technique, the same technique as to be
validated in order to have a comparation order of market,
so we can say we are what we are watching.
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So what we are measuring is like calibrating our measurement equipment.
So we studied everything beginning from the laboradory. This I
can suggest to watch the conference that we that we
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made in Malta. Because there is has been explained explained
the very in the in the DALs. So we started
from the laboratory where we was simulating the equipment that
we use it on the satellite. So in poratory we
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have a tune the technique using optical images. Once we
were able to scan let's say small inside a small
test environment located in laboratory, we moved approaching the technique
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using the first satellite images and we scanned inside the
environment where we knew exactly what we had to watch.
So we scanned inside the mountains where we knew exactly
what we had to know, specific tunnels, specific large infrastructure
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where we knew exactly what we had to what we
are what we were watching. For example, we scanned inside
the Grand Sas Todalia, which is a mountain located in
the central part of Italy, where inside in the core
of the mountain there is a physics laboratory and the
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physics laboratory where was detected and also evaluated the details
inside the laboratory. The laboratory is located currently located one
point four kilometers with respect to the top of the mountain,
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so this is very important. Once we tuned our software
like that we were using test sites. We began scanning
the Klungkufu pyramid. So we are referring on the work
that we did. I did do it Coroado, Malolanga in
twenty twenty two and we have we have measured t
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things that after six months. Also Zakia was estimated also
in C too. I am referring to the nine meters
long accordedor that he announced to that he announced that the.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Discussion in the corner that's above the entrance. Is that
what you're talking about right, yeah, actually.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Called the small void, so called small boyd Yes, okay,
And we.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Have the big discorder or previously the discover in C
to discover discover that Jakia was made and we can
see and we can say that with Zakia was because
he have a validated tower metal. So this is very important.
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And then once we had the chance to see that
the things were working, was working, we're working. I'm sorry,
we moved to scarn all the Jizabrato and so now
we are able to announce our measurements that I say
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it has to be validated within seedweck excavations, but with
a certain probability that in my personal opinion is very high.
We can announce that under each pyramid there are shafts
spirits with the spira nature that are that are belonging
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underneath for a lot of meters.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guests today Filippo beyond the and Armando May
discussing the Cafree Pyramid project. Will be right back.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
My guests today are Felipo Biondi and Armando May, two
of the three team members on the Caffrey Pyramid project
that took place last year and has had phenomenal results
from their satellite scan. Yeah, Armando, give us some more
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information about the chefts that have these I guess is
it a walkway or a stairway that kind of follows
down into the ground.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Well, of course, before to l the precise answer, we
have to explore the underneath of Giza and we hope
that in the future we can achieve the pyramits to
explore the underground. Meanwhile, we are examining them tomographies and
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we are trying to understand what lies beneath the pyramids.
There are shafts that archaracterized by spirits that goes from.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Down to up.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
And I believe that if we talk about one kilometers
point too, I believe that we cannot talk about staircase.
But in my personal opinion, I believe that the spirits
may be some kind of metals that characterize the shops.
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But it's only my opinion for twelve a certainty we
must excavate on the gist of Pats of India fort
to find the correct solution to this mystery. But as
I said to you, in my opinion, the only answer
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that we can give in this moment, it is just
only an opinion. And as I said, in my opinion,
it's metal.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
When we look at these scans, it makes us think
about Christian's book that these are machines rather than tombs.
A Filippo, what is your feeling either of the Kufu
or the Caffreine pyramids in terms of what their role was.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yes, I thanks Christopher DNA that was very patient to
also to join us at the YouTube channel of nicol
Chicolo and we had a very nice transmission streaming talking
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about this task. Of course, Yes, the Jessa Plateau, so
I agree with the with with the Christopher Dunn. So
what we can say in my personal obinion is this
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the Jisa plateau has to be considered entirely from north
south east west underneath up to the stars in terms
of calibration on calibrated two stars.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It has to be considered entirely. It is can have
more than one purpose, of course, but it is not
possible to consider separately the things. So the pyramid is
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things separately, but entirely, and considering what we are discovering
these days, the pyramids are can be considered the like
hats that are located on the Giza platoon. Two weeks
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ago we had a very nice conference in Florence where
we met the pink lefamily and Mario Ping was an
Egypto egyptologist very famous that he discovered for the first
time the jug, which is that multiliyer monument that is
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located inside the Kunum Kufu pyramid that is located on
the top of the king's chamber. So the jug is
a monument that is made all in granite and it
is separated from the structure of the pyramid. So it
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is like that all the pyramid is like a caver
that is on top of the Jiesa plateau in order
to preserve something or to make a propagate something that
is very near to vibetions. So all the gesab Plato.
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To know really what the Jesus Plata was, we have
to go to watch things personally, so we have to excavate. No, excavate,
not so much. I suggest you again to see the
I to see the Moulta conference that we did, because
there there are something about the shafts, very important about
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the shafts that are visible inside from the surface of
the outside, from the surface of the Giese Plato.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But let's see.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And so it is true. I convinced myself that the
pyramids can be considered only the tip of the iceberger
of something very huge colors that is located underneath.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, Armando, what is your feeling of the potential purpose?
And also, while you're on that subject, does it seem
like this is a dynastic invention or is it pretty
dynastic Some very early people made these big machines.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Well, you know that.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
I am in the field of Egyptology since twenty five
years and I started from the academic field because I
studied the most famous Egyptologists such as Petrie Salimasan a gardener,
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George Art and Williams and so on. Because I was
fascinated by the Pyramids party earlier, but a long the time,
I noted many clues suggesting that the Egyptians during the
Fourth Dynasty were not able to build such a kind
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of monuments because of the architectural engineering features, but also
because of the logistics. You know that, for example, the
Great Pyramid, the King's chambers is composed by granite blocks
of the weight of seventy tones that were transported from
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the Aswan quarries that are nine hundred kilometers from Gisa.
So it is really very hard to suggest the possible
construction of those monuments during the Dynastic Age. Moreover, inside
the pyramids were not found any kind of hieroglyphics, for
example celebrating the pharaohs, or all traces of funery.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Varied and so on.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
So in my PI started to study the alternative theories,
and as I wrote in my English book The Secrets
of the Gods, I described my opinion. It is not
in opinion, but is a very scientific study based on
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multidisciplinary patterns of investigation, based on astronomy, mathematics and physics
and geometry, showing a world that is really fascinating because
of the connection with the mathematical constant for example, of
all monuments involved in the global project with astronomer and
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so I believe that the Ulisa Patuc was built by
a preceding civilization that lived on Earth in the ancient past.
Now who were I don't know, but the myth for example,
for example, the Book of Death, all the text of
itful for example, just the existence of a preceding civilization
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that was destroyed in the ancient past by a cataclysm
that destroyed the preceding civilization. So, in my opinion, the
Giza Parto is witness of this civilization that lived on
the on Earth and then relieved all aground the world
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monuments that are very similar. So I believe that it
was a global civilization. They lived in South America and Africa,
Europe and Asia, Middle East and so on, So a
global civilization that lived before us.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Interesting. Filippo, what is your opinion of the technology behind
the Giza Pyramids. Do you think it's something that was
part of the dynastics that we know of, or was
it something that is from a large civilization.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
In your opinion, yes, in that I am not expecting this.
I have to say that I'm not expected. But now
are some years that I am studying the Pyramids from
twenty eighteen since now. But I tell you again that
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I am not expected. So this is what I'm saying
is related to my personal opinion, and also according to
the books written by people that are more expected than me,
and also the books of Armando, I could understand that
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there was another civilization before let's call it a catastrophic event.
I believe in the exact type, there was a time
that where when the Pyramids were built, but not the Pyramids,
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the Giza Plateau was built. Because the Pyramids are can
be considered that the end of this colossal work that
were made. The Gizza Plateau was built by an ancient
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civilization where some kind of technology based on maybe based
on acoustics, and so this civilization was able to do
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we are just discovering now. So when I'm saying that
civilization debt where leaving they the territory, let's call it
off km before during a zetep. Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Right in the images taken of the Kufu Pyramid. There
are descending shafts that go deep under the surface of
the of the of the area. Was is it your
belief that this was used to suck water out of
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the nile or did you go and analyze it a
little further after the scans were done to determine what
these descending shafts are because in the rendering of the
data they're very very deep and very large.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yes, yes, the different infrastructures that we have found that
we found are very huge and they go very deep.
Thank you for these questions because a lot of people
are asking us information about these shafts. The correlated to
the water table that is located underneath. Also there is
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water underneathings.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
We have.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Estimated that we have found. Also we have correlating our
results with water. Again, I suggest to suggest the people
to watch the confidence we had the model, because what's
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very important this confidence. And there we we did. We
we said a lot of things technically once related to
the water, the shafts, the particular shape given by the
shafts because they have a spiral nature, so there is
it is something spiral like that that goes down. Because
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we are watching this nature on the on the on
our measurements, So we are measured measuring something that is
not an addural. We are measuring something that has a
spiral behavior. And we are also measuring that these shafts
are very huge and very deep and they go also
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below the water.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Day.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
Yes, I want, I would like to add some information
on the correlation between the Giza Plateau and the water,
partly salt water, because you have to know that. In
nineteen twenty two, German geologist announce the discover of a
river connecting the Mediterranean Sea with the desert of Libya
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and Egypt. Fine I found artificial channels going towards maybe
also Giza and the Tatara Depression, and the river contained saltwater.
I was called Ornil, the twin net with the will
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the denial. And also in nineteen twenty nine two geologists
of the University of Chicago made an interesting survey in
the regional Fayoum discovering channels, artificial channels leading towards north
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to towards Giza containing southwater. So it's very interesting to
underline that there is a place on the Giza plateaul
party that some both the birth that is characterized by
conduits and channels that goes underneath, and there is an
interesting and impressive water erosion and also traces of sodium.
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So it is possible that the tomb of the birds
was basing characterized by salt water that was connected to
the network developed in the underground that we are discovering
with the SAAR. So it is very interesting. I will
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explain better this topic at the conference in Chicago the
Global Pyramid on September. So it is interested could found
information on the Global Pyramid network dot com and I
will explain better this topic because I believe it's very
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very important to understand the possible function of all the
structures of geese, as the monuments on surface and the
network underneath.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I mean, I've been down to the subterranean shaft in
the Kufu Pyramid and when you get down there, all
those stones look to be water eroded.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Water was particularly the subterranean chambers, to the floor of
the subterranean chambers, and also the structures the wall present
water erosion. So it means that in the chambers.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
There was water.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, it has to be. We're going to take a
short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves
and we will return shortly with my guest stars, technician
Filippo Bioni and archaeologist Armando May discussing their work on
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the Caffre Pyramid project. We'll return shortly. Today's interview is
(51:48):
highlighting the new technology known as SARS, which is synthetic
aperture radar, which will revolutionize our understanding of archaeological sites
and also a way of looking into our ancient past. Filippo,
in the images of the Caffree interior of the pyramid,
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there seems to be five different relieving chambers. There's only
one that we know of in the Kufu Pyramid. Was
are any egypt trilogists confirming that there's five or there?
Are they still waiting the yes inspect these.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Thank you for this question. We are measuring five structures
that are similar like the jet. The unique structure that
is located and I repeat was discovered for the first
time by Mario Binkle, which is the jet.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
So the function of the.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yes according to this to this we can say this.
According to this correlation, we measured acoustic activities where were
(53:15):
we are depicting the structures multi multilayer structures very similar
like the one is present in the So we because
of several confirmation of these measurements were done using different satellites. Also,
(53:36):
we are confident that the treaty model that we have
depicted and showed, so the model concerning the upper part
of the Kfre pyramid where we are depicting five structures
like the one that are present that is present in
the CLUNKOFU. We are confident. The moment, we we don't
(53:57):
have confirmation because because could be nice when the results
of this Campyramid project may be cold to confirm our
our hypothesis that it is not a hypothesis. Be attention,
let's let's focus on this are measurements. The hypothesis that
(54:18):
we're done was passing from the measurements to the three
D model. Okay, that it is an hypothesis given by
our reconstruction. So from the measurements to the image three
D model. Okay, So when the Campyramid project will give
(54:44):
their results, we can can be.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
A very.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
Nice opportunity to match the results the Moon results with
our results. Okay. So oh, we are leaving all this planet.
Everyone is leaving on this planet, so we have to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
It is not.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
A nice thing to be separated. So when this s
Campyramid project is also are available, we maybe match everything
together and give it better.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
And I love what you're saying, Philippo, but the problem
with the Scan Pyramid group is they work with the
Antiquities Department and only a small portion of their data
has been released to the public. And this is the
real problem. And I love the fact that you guys
just said, we're doing it, whether you like it or not.
We're scared. We're scanning the pyramid and we're going to
(55:48):
report our data. The Scan Pyramid people mentioned this void
above the King's Chamber, but then we're not allowed to
release the data.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
They We are waiting since twenty fifteen the results of
the Skin Pyramids. Ten years has passed passed, but until
now we don't have any kind of scientific evidence of
their job. They're discovers and not so I hope that
(56:21):
one day the Scan Pyramids will release the content of
their work in the effort to comperate their data with ours.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, but have either one of you spoken to anybody
at the Scan Pyramid organization to determine what that void
above the King's chamber is or are they not releasing
the data.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
Yes, in my personal opinion, it's true. Yes, the scam
Pyramid project to give us the announcement of a big
void on the Grand Gale a little, but they don't
know exactly the position orientation. Okay, it is this an
important opportunity to join together us because we have our
(57:14):
results where we have seen also the big void. But
not because we are more professional than them, I'm not
saying this, but also we've found something that can be
related to.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
A big void.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
Just correlating, correlating the results using two independent research group
will give us the certainly, the certain certainty to have
located in the space exactly the space the big void,
(57:55):
or just I make you the example of the corridor,
the nine meters corridor, the nine meters corridor where was
estimated by us and published to the results and estimated
by the Scampyramian project six months later with respect to us,
(58:19):
they published the results after this. After this, zachiawas made
the in C to performation. So he made the the
the in C two measurements with a small camera and
(58:42):
so announced that everyone they discovered the existence of this corridor.
But when I made it, I correlated my results with
them and so everything matched. So it is only to
stress the fact that research groups has to collaborate, not
(59:04):
be divided by I don't I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yes, but my question to either of you is why
has all the scanned pyramid data been released to the public.
Why are they keeping certain parts of that data quiet?
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (59:21):
That's why. I don't know. I don't know what amount.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
I don't know me too, I don't know. Maybe they
end to that.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I mean it's been you know, like you said, it's
been since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen they did their work, so.
Speaker 5 (59:36):
You know, this is I agree with with the Philippo
because I believe that Sacawas should be smarter on that topic,
and because it's it is very important to collaborate between
the project or research. So I don't know. I don't
understand why we drove conferences because of the presen the
(01:00:00):
Italian team. It was it isn't a great opportunity to
share knowledge, experiences, data in the interest of humanity, not
in the interest of Zakia Wwass or Mandomeea, Flippo Boni
or Coradoblaga, but in the interest of humankind that have
that must know what happened in the engine past? What
(01:00:23):
are our origins? So it's it's very important the collaborations
between men, between groups of research and so on. So
I suggest to Zakiawas and this team to be more
smarter on that topic and to start to have a
different point of view in the effort to find the
(01:00:45):
common path of research that could help us to understand
what happened in the engine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Post Armando real quickly on that subject. Why would and
this is a possibility, and this is being a little
pid on my part. Why is there a reason why
the Egyptological community and the Antiquities department in Egypt we
want to hold on and repress data. Is it because
(01:01:14):
in our worst thoughts that they don't want us to
know about an ancient civilization that may have been highly
sophisticated prior to our written history.
Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
So you know in my opinion that it's in my opinion,
my personal opinion, if we could show that in the
ancient past, before our civilization, there was another human civilization
that gave birth to our civilization, it is a reason
(01:01:48):
of proud for the Egyptians that are the seats of
the recient civilization of the modern civilization and it could
improve also the tourism, for example. It's very important for
the Egyptians authority to understand that because we can show
that in the ancient past there was a human civilization
(01:02:11):
that built the pyramids and all the Gista, in my opinion,
is very important for the Egyptians to all and then
for the humanity. So I don't understand why they are so.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
They don't want to discuss with us, and the egypt
Egyptology community is not open to this kind of discussion.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, it's very suspicious, very strange. Filippo Trevor Grassi has
been working with William Brown, and William did some ground
penetrating radar many years ago and discover an intricate tunnel
system in the is a plateau in your skins. Have
(01:03:03):
you found or have you followed his suggested area where
there's tunnels and if so, do they lead to the
Nile or have you discovered a path?
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I thanks Turbo Grassy because he contributed to give us
some suggestion in order to scan the dia plata. We
at the moment we are, we know the moment we
have scanned already some particular shafts vertical shafts that are
(01:03:41):
visible from the Diga Plato and more exactly on the
space belonging between the Caffe pyramid and the sphinx. There
are some shofts that has a squared base that goes underneath.
But at certain depth there are they are blocked by
(01:04:08):
soil something that can cannot that are blocked, that is
blocking the shaft. So we have measured those shafts and
we have seen that they go deta underneath, and so
(01:04:30):
we are considering those like an entrance possibility to entrance
at let's say, the the connections or all inside all
(01:04:51):
the tunnels that are located underneath. So that shafts, if
we do some cleaning a t it is on those shafts,
maybe we can entrance in the so called the city
that is located underneath. Just to tell you, in the
(01:05:12):
Joe Rogan Experience broadcast, when zakiawas was interviewed by Joe
that I I thanks Joe to cite us several times
in his broadcast, Zaki Professora was told Joe that he
(01:05:38):
was open to have a contact with us.
Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
So we are.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We are available now and yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
This is my mail. Yeah, and he can write me
when he wants. This is my email.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Okay, we're looking at that. I'll make sure we put
that on our video. I actually know a couple of
his producers, So if you want to go on, Joe Rogan,
I can help you with that. This should be a problem.
As we conclude, my friends, give us an idea what
the future holds for your research in the Giza Plateau. Obviously,
(01:06:22):
from a scientific perspective, we want additional validation for what
you've discovered. Obviously the permissions have to come from the
Antiquities Department for archaeological digs, any kind of new science
on the plateau itself. I know for a fact that
(01:06:45):
Zahilwass was very unhappy that you didn't go through the
Antiquities Department before you released your data. Personally, and I
go to Egypt every year, I thank you all both
for publishing your data, because it's just you have to
wait years and years and years and years and years
(01:07:07):
for information to come out of the department. So what
do you see as the future in the Giza Plateau?
And the final question would be do you think Sar
will be like Ldar in the future where science will
use it on a regular basis.
Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
And I answered, okay, I answered your last question for
first in my best sound opinion. Yes, because I am
really convinced on my technique. I am convinced that it
works very efficiently. What I have to do is to
(01:07:51):
improve there is a rules on I have to work
work more on it. I am aware that maybe some
tomograms are a bit noisy. Yes, okay, so it has
to be optimized and that's my job, So why will
do it. But on the other hand, of course, yes,
(01:08:18):
satellite technology is growing up, and it's growing up because
there are a lot of nice things that are coming
on the on the stage. And so I believe in
this in science, and I believe also in the space
(01:08:41):
and satellite technology for archaeological purpose. So this is my
personal opinion and I am very firm.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
On this catage.
Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
In my opinion, there are two points that are very important.
First of all, the historical and archaeological purpose of the
Giza patog because I believe that it's important to explore
the underground. That of course, also the pyramids, because I
believe that all the new environments that through the s
(01:09:15):
a are we found inside the great the Pyramid of Kufu,
for example, or into the kaf Pyramid.
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Must be explored to know better what is the.
Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
The consistence of the those environments. And what is important
is also to move high in the technological scientific approach
to the techniques of the protocol beyond the protocol. And
this is important for example to unknowns that months ago
(01:09:50):
we sign an agreement with the Antennato's Foundation of Delaware
and the Professor Howard ep Stand for the university in
the effort to study better the technology is applying that
also in civil application and of course in the archaeological project.
(01:10:17):
So I believe that the SAAR is the future for
archaeology because experimental archaeology and the eyes side of my
technology not invasive, could there p us to know better
the mystery solved from many archaeological sites.
Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
They were built all around the world.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Fantastic Flippo, BEYONDI and Armando may thank you very much
for being on the program. Continue success. You guys have
really done an amazing job, and as somebody who travels
to Egypt every year, I'm really really happy with the
work you're doing and I hope that you can continue.
So thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
For thank you, thank you so much, Cliff, and I
hope to meet the American community at the two conference.
Uh okay that we will attend in Denver in August
at the Ancient Civiliz Ocean Conference and in Chicago to
the Global Pyramid Conference. And we hope to meet the
(01:11:19):
American conference and maybe you oh.
Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah, hey, you guys are doing the you guys are
doing the Guaya conference.
Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
A fantastic So we can meet in a person at
Guya Conference, then that's great, We'll come out and see you.
Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Hey much success and thank you both.
Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Cheers, thank you, thank you, to you, thank you, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Chow.
Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I kept getting the sense that this technology is still
in its infancy and at some point for it to
be used more widely, there's going to have to be
a training program that is similar to Lighter, where the
scans are done and then the data is brought back
(01:12:06):
and then it's tuned and cleaned up and used for
identification of archaeological ruins. I have seen. If you, by
the way, if you have not seen I have seen
these three D scans. If you have not seen these scans,
go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients and look at
(01:12:26):
the actual graphics. They are color, some of them are
very detailed, some of them are not. And it's again,
it's a technology that's in its infancy and we're going
to have to wait until it's refined. There's a great
number of archaeologists that are just very skeptical of this,
(01:12:49):
and understandably so, because it's noise, it's vibration converted to graphs,
and you don't see really hard evidence like you see
in the light are so you have to I think
it has to be taken to the next level, maybe
SAR two point zero, where you begin to refine the
(01:13:14):
data and you get more of a clear definition of
the chaff or of a tomb or some artifact, so
it's more id identifiable. An archaeologists perhaps feel more comfortable saying, yes,
that's a chaff, or that's a room, or this is
a corridor or something. And that's the key. Now, if
(01:13:38):
you saw the CUFU three dimensional representations taken from the stars,
that's very easy to look at, but that's twenty twenty
two data, and I think they've refined the actual stars imagery,
so once you see the graphics you'll know what I'm
(01:14:02):
talking about. They're rough, and they are vibrations, so I
think there has to be another phase of this technology
for more white skill acceptance, which makes it something to consider. Again.
When light Our first came out, there were similar issues
with imagery. So again I'm calling it synthetic aperture radar
(01:14:28):
two point zero, which would be a refined version of
what we're looking at. So there you go. I hope
you enjoyed that. I got more details on just how
the technology works and how it's captured, and we'll be
hearing more from them because they're going to be doing
more scanning. In fact, we'll have a similar interview in
(01:14:53):
a few weeks with the Hawara group that did the
Hawara Pyramid in southern Egypt and also captured the underground
labyrinth with great detail. This imagery was taken in almost
ten years ago. In fact, we had Carmen Balter on
the program a couple of times talking about it, so
(01:15:15):
we'll get a sense of how far these scans have
come and the importance of them. So hey, I want
to mention there. Atlantis Summit is a conference that's coming
up on the twelfth and thirteenth of this month, Saturday
and Sunday. It's a two day program filled with amazing
(01:15:37):
speakers and programs were sponsoring it. I'm giving a talk
on Mayan pyramid technology and what we understand about that.
For the full program and a huge discount, go to
geophilia dot com. Look at the top of the banner
and click on Atlantis Summit. And when you're ordering the
(01:16:00):
the program, it's a complete streaming conference. Everything's online type
in Earth Ancients. You'll get fifteen percent off and also
you'll get a whole file with last year's conference and
all their experts today. This year's program again is July
(01:16:20):
twelfth through the thirteen. You can see Robert Schock, doctor
samu Asmano mich Matt Lacroix, Mohammed Amberheim and many many
others discussing ancient technology as it relates to Atlantis. We
think that these technologies are offshoots of the mother culture
that we consider what Plato called Atlantis. Again, this is
(01:16:43):
a I can't miss conference July twelfth to the thirteenth.
For more information, go to geophilia dot com and see
all the details. All right, that's it for this program.
I want to think my guest today, Filippo Bioni, coming
to us from Rome and Armando May coming to us
(01:17:06):
also from Rome, discussing the Cafree Pyramid project. As always
the team of Gail tor Mark Foster and fas ol
Our Video Tech. You guys rock all right, take care
of you well and we will see you next time.
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