Hugh Newman: Forgotten Türkiye

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
M m.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yes, that's the applause, the applause for a new conference
that's coming our way. It is the Origins conference we're
going to feature today, which is part of the Mego
Lithomania group of conferences that's hosted by our friend, producer, writer, researcher,
investigator Hugh Newman and who is our guest today. Will

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be speaking to him shortly, not only about the the
groups of people speaking, the themes of the of the
presentations that or conference. By the way, it's going to
be November one in London. But Hugh is on top
of it. He has a streaming format. I think he's

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charging forty or fifty bucks for the full day. It's
one day from ten am to seven pm for those
of you who can't stay up late or excuse me
early in the morning. It's all recorded and kept in
a file so you can hear people like Robert Temple
and Hugh jj Ainsworth many others will talk about them shortly.

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But he's got it down. He's smart, he knows what's
going on. He's been doing conferences for a while. As
a former producer of programming for conferences, I appreciate what
Hugh does and that's why we have sponsored it. I
think we were going on our third or fourth year now,
and he has a great lineup. He has an excellent lineup.
Robert Temple alone is worth the admission and he has streaming,

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live streaming, automatically recording for you to pick up later,
and it's just fantastic. Now a lot of people who
listen just to podcasts, that's great. We got a percentage
of people that are moving to our YouTube channel and
that's kind of nice because you can see who's talking,

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some of the graphics or whatever. For those of you
who don't have YouTube, don't enjoy watching podcasts, make sure
you go to the Facebook page to see the graphics,
the supporting material. We call them podcast notes, and they
are the photographs, illustrations, graphics, whatever is in a book

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that we're promoting, or part of a dialogue, part of
a presentation, part of an interview that we are presenting
for you, so you can get that material there. Today
we are gonna talk to you not only about the conference,
but I consider Hugh Newman one of the top names

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of researchers who are in the Middle East, notably Turkey,
and we're gonna hear details on new discoveries that not
only go Beckley Teppee, but one of the other Teppees,
which is Carahan Teppee, which seems to be carving central
for human human like figures. They've already found five eight

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foot plus tall carved rock carved men, a number of animals,
and the list keeps going on and on and on.
We're gonna see some new photographs. We're gonna talk about
some new photographs that are being collected. And I was
just there a couple of years ago, and the Turks

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have put together a fabulous world class museum to display
these artifacts. And I gotta tell you, although they're very rudimentary,
very crude in some ways, they are intelligently designed. And
it's not that you look at it's not like you're
looking at a Greek or Roman sculpture. They're much cruder

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than that. But they're substantial, and that's a big deal.
They are substantial. The other problem with a lot of
these sculptures is we just don't know what the meanings are.
We haven't decoded the civilization that has created these subsurface temples.
And the other thing that both Hugh jj Ainsworth and

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Andrew Collins have detected is that many, if not most,
of these underground subsurface temples are observatories of some kind.
And these t squared columns that were carved have little
notches and little protrusions and in some cases direct cuts

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where they become sightlines for various constellations, the sun, the moon,
really observational tools that are now coming to light. We
didn't really know until just a few years ago what
these temples were, what these underground temples were. We still
don't know why they would cover them up to preserve

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them and some of the dates, said Klaus Schmidt. The
archaeologists who uncovered the first go back to the temple.
We just don't know what their purpose was, why they
would dig and cover it up again. You know, it
suld be nice if we had some writing, if we

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had some kind of way to decode these unusual temples.
But who was going to bring it all to us today?
And I have just received the full compliment of slides
that he is presenting at the upcoming November first Origins conference.
So if you can't get there via personal passage or

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via streaming media, you can see it on Facebook. We
got I'll probably post half of the presentation, and he's
got some brand new slides that are I want to
say profound, but we don't know if they're profound yet.
There was a new Man sculpture of a man that
just was discovered about a couple of months ago. I

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posted it on the Facebook page. These are all very
very unusual. We were guessing what's going on, and we're
getting these incredibly old dates. Twelve thousand years ago, fourteen
thousand years ago, and on and on and on. It
keeps pushing back. As Graham Hancock likes to say, things

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just keep getting older. So a lot to enjoy. Again,
if you can't get to the show, at least get
to the Facebook page and take a look at the
sculptures that he was presenting at the Origins conference November one,
so check that out. So today's program is Forgotten Turkey

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and my guest is Hugh Newman. Hey. We're going to
be in the jungle this December first to the twelfth
on the Guatemala Sacred Temple tour, and this is an
opportunity not only to climb pyramids, but to interact with
the local shaman in understanding what the Maya were up

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to their state of mind and ceremony to connect with
the sacred temples and pyramids that will interact with This
is a chance to not only climb pyramids connect with them,
but also to taking the spirit and the consciousness that
is the genius of the Maya. If you'd like to

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join us, go to Earthancents dot com, forward slash Tours
and you'll see all the details. To get details on
the Guatemala tour, send an email to me at Earth
Ancients the number four of the letter you at gmail
dot com and join me for a private zoom conference
with our hosts Lydia and Arturo di Leong. Again. The

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Guatemala tour is December first to the twelfth, twenty twenty five.
For more information, go to Earth Agents dot com, forward
slash Tours or send me an email Earth Agents the
number four the LETTERU at gmail dot com for a
discussion on just what we'll be doing. This tour is
perfect for you. It's that time a year again, and

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I mentioned this most of the time that we have
a period where we're doing conferences, and we mentioned the
Italian Conference on Ancient History. It's going to be Italy,
but we're also sponsors of megal Lithomania's Origins conferences, Hugh
Newman and family and this I think, and I'll ask
you this question in a minute. I think we've been

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sponsoring for at least three or four years and he's
always got a good lineup. Hughes traveled the world. He
knows who's who, and there's good speakers all over the
place and he typically has them. And so we want
to have Hugh on the program for a few hours
to talk about not only Origins but also his latest
discoveries in Turkey and what he's uncovered. So, hey, you

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how you doing? Man, good to see it.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm great, Cliff, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm doing good. Well. You're in England right now, right.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean England you and are kind of not
too far from Stonehenge.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah. I always say that, you know, when I came
out to visit you, it's like, what's the city that
you're in? Is it Stone? Is it that the city
called Stonehenge?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's in I mean technically we're in Stonehenge, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
In the in the inner works that they would consider
the grounds of Stonehenge.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right, Yeah, we're close to the Stonehenge and we are
to Amesbury, which is the local small town, so it's
village really and so yeah, so technically, you know with Stonehenge, really,
can you.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Walk to the actual facility from your home?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah? Yeah, it's like fifteen minute walk.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
God they let people live there, but I guess you're
the village has probably been there for a thousand years, right.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
These are the you know, these are the homes, the
houses that where people would look after Stonehenge and lived.
This is like the custodian kind of homes. Yeah, okay,
so this is like you know traditionally where you know
next door. We've got National Trust to kind of run
the whole landscape. I see, it's a fascinating place to live.
I'll tell you that it's haunted as hell, but it

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is really kind of it's called I love the megaliths.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So this is like the ultimate place to be.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Really, it's hard to do. You have the dead bodies
around of the workers over thousands of years. I don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
But it's some weird stuff, but it's all good, nothing
to worry about.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, sounds good. Hey, well talk about origines this year.
You have a great lineup. You have like one of
my favorite people, Robert Temple, Andrew Collins, Deborah Cartwright, and
then you have Filippo Bioni and Armando May to come
back and talk about I guess they're going to talk
about the stars, scans of the Pyramids or what's new

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with them.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, yeah, they've got some good stuff. I mean that
they're constantly updating, you know, Amando or Filipo. So we're
delighted they're coming over. We met him a few times
this year and gone really well at a really good
time as well, so that's kind of cool. And so yeah,
but they've got they're gonna have new stuff to share
origins as well, so we're looking forward to that. They've
just been at a conference in America where they are

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getting now backing from people like.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Chris Dunn and others.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
So that's really cool, and I think a lot of
people are now realizing these are kind of you know,
serious people, you know when it comes to this kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
No, I mean, what they have is groundbreaking. In fact,
I'm having Graham Hancock on the program at the end
of the year. He does not really feel strong enough
about the star tech to comment on it, but I've
discovered that The military has been using it for years,
a similar type of scanning equipment, which I thought was

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quite quite interesting. In fact, it's one of those top
secret UH applications that they use for bunker busting. They
can pierce the ground and go I think a mile underground.
Let me share the screen?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Should I?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Should I share my screen? I'll get some good graphics
and stuff. Yeah, Yea'll do that. So I let's try that.
I've got to send request, so we're gonna have to
edit this bit out unfortunately, but.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You go give me like here go, You're good to go. Yeah,
that's too, that's just maybe.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah. So anyhow, we had an Armando on res and
he is still blowing people away with what he's showing.
You know, it's funny because you heard Zahi jas on
Rogan's program saying it's not valid. What they're showing is
not valid.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
You know, I was like, christ, Yeah, I find that
strange because you know this is you know that you know,
Filipo's a scientist for starters, He's been doing analysis underground
of other things in Italy and other places for years.
So this isn't like he's just you know, jumped on
a bandwagon. He's just got his genuine interest in all

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this kind of stuff. And so we're you know, when
I actually met them and interviewed them at a long
interview them, I realized that, you know, these guys are
for real. They're not like Amanda's got some more kind
of incredible ideas going back deep into history and what
they could be used for.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
But I think there's something going on there.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
So, yeah, I havn't met The Origins conference is excellent.
It's the first time doing stuff in Britain or in England.
So and and are.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
They going to Yeah, they're coming over.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're flying them over coming in a
couple of days. Before we're going to we might do
a little press conference. We're going to do a press
release because they're going to bring some new data to
the to the event, so we're going to make that
kind of you know, make a special deal out of it.
Andrew's obviously Andrew Collins. He's got his republished updated book.
He's got the you know, Beneath the Pyramids coming out,

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you know, so that's going to be fully updated with
all the new data and everything else.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Beneath the Pyramids, the Kids of the pyramids are.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
The tunnels, initially the tunnels and caves that he discovered
back in two thousand and so that's the that's one
of the main thrust. And he's written live you know,
several you know, forty extra pages of all the new
data of how it all fits in it. Obviously we
went under there, went into the cave system last November,
not long before this Saskan stuff will kind of blasted

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onto the scene. So yeah, so yeah, he's going to
be doing that there. And so we've got a bit
of an Egyptian thing obviously with Robert Temple as well.
You know, he's going to be bringing some of his
you know, I think he's quite intrigued of the whole
kind of SARSCAN thing and how it fits in with
his data and stuff. He's being researched. And I'm just
notably in his book Egyptian Dawn, well he was looking

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on he was looking underground, not just at the Cyris Shaft,
but on all these chambers, all these you know, what
we thought were Pulley systems going under the Valley Temple
and everything else.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So you saying that when he wrote that book, which
is probably twenty years old, that he had a sense
of underground chambers and tunnels and things.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, he was one of the first people to really
go into the Asiris shaft and do analysis there. But
then he found more evidence of other places under you know,
around the Valley Temple, around the Sphinx and other such
things that he was looking into the shafts, which are
becoming a big deal for Filipo and Armando in the
Cafre research project. And so yeah, so there's a lot

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to consider, you know. So we're going to get into
all this obviously at the conference. But obviously we're going
to be going into what we're going to be talking
about today all the new stuff coming out of Southeast Turkey,
because there's a huge amount of stuff. I mean, JJ
is going to be looking at all the symbolism JJ
Ainsworth and her new analysis of super ancient sites even

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older than older than quebeculey Tepe in other parts of
the world. I'm going to be looking at the solstices.
Because of our discovery of the Carahan Tepe witness solstice,
I found evidence going way way back. I'm going to
be presenting all this at the Conference of Solstices, going
back into Paleolithic times and this obsession with it and
now that really became a thing which ended up at

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places like Carahan Tepe. So people think the oldest solstice
is like Stonehenge and places like this, but it's not.
There's something there's something much more profound, much more ancient
going on. So yeah, we're going to be digging into
all that. And one of the other guys we've got,
his professor, David Jackson. He is fascinating. He's actually doing

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a dig here in October near me, and he's been
working on the Mesolithic again the same era as Beckley
Tepe really but in England around Stonehenge and a cycle
blick Mead, but also at Stonehenge, which I'm going to
be talking about. You know that they had solstice alignments.
They're ten thousand years ago. But he's going to be
you know, he's now working on a new project. Hopefully

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we're going to get all the updates and that is
literally starting this month in October, and yeah, I' going
to be meeting him before the conference. He's going to
be staying really near me, so I'll get some exclusive
some updates on what he's looking at here because I
think they found a whole load more stuff in the
whole kind of Stonehenge landscape as well.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I want to mention that you also have Debbie Cartwright
who will be one of our guests I think in
a week or so promoting the actual conference. I want
to also remind you guys listening the website say to
get more information is Origins Conference dot co dot uk.

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And also Hugh talk a little bit about the streaming package.
If people obviously can't get there, they can get on
there and pay. I think you said it was fifty
three dollars US to pay for the streaming and streaming
live correct.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yes, So what we do is we've got a multi
camera set up, We've got a whole whole kind of
a really good team, a really good wo'll be doing
it with us for years. They get their blood professional
former TV guys and so there he will be doing
it live, you know with all the slides, bloody Die
everything else. But also people can then watch the archive

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you know, at their leisure forever basically, And so we
don't put these up on YouTube for about six months
or a year, but they will eventually be up free.
But by then all the new stuff's come out by then.
So we recommend people check it out because you know,
we put a lot of a lot of time and
effort into kind of getting these really cool speakers, right.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, you're getting a really good set up.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
In the venue.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It all looks really good.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
We've got you know, good quality sound, and.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You're capturing the screen images as well, the slide present
presentations are. So you're going you're editing clean editing between
the speaker and the screen.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, we do live editing.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's killer. I mean, that's
worth fifty three dollars is nothing.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's nothing.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's I don't know how you're making any funny, but
I appreciate that number. So so let me think, now,
if it's at ten am in England, that's going to
be at night in the US, so it's.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
A bit more leisurely in the US. You have a
lion that day and watch it, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So exactly, So what November first is Saturday?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Right November the first year, we're you know, people who
want to come to the conference, we're actually doing a
Avebury tour, you know, the largest stone circle in the
world on the Sunday, So we do a little walk about.
We will get together. Andrew is probably going to be
leading it. We're going to have other special guests there
as well.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Get out and about as well, you know, even though
it's going to be like the winter but not it
won't be too freezing by there. But yeah, so but
the live stream and he has forty UK pounds or
it's ends up being like fifty three bucks or something
like that, so it's very reasonable. Plus you get access
to it, you know, we do give access to other things.
We might get a few exclusive little interviews while we're

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there as well. It will only be available on the
stream and things like that. So yeah, people can check
it out at Origins Conference dot co dot uk and
you know, they can get in touch with me via
the website as well.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
And which number is this? Is this the tenth annual
Origins I can't remember how far? Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Is No, Well, we don't do it every year. We
started in twenty thirteen, oh in London for a while. Yeah, yeah,
it's been a while, but we skipped a few years,
we don't. You know, this is just a kind of
you know, it's kind of a passion project. Really, We
just you know, megaliths mainly is our big thing. We
do you know, to two day three days of tours

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on top of that every May. But this is kind
of a thing we wanted to get more into the
deep origins of civilization, not necessarily just talk about megaliths,
other things as well, you know, kind of going into
consciousness and you know, you know, astronomy and things like that.
So that's kind of why we set out myself and
Andrew back in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right, So before I let you go, where is it
held and if people want to get overnight accommodations, is
it an airbnb or is there a hotel, a proper
hotel in that area?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
There are some, Yeah, there were a few hotels, and
not actually directly and pusy funnily enough where we do it.
But there's a train station, so people come in for
the day. Mainly they just come in from London or
anywhere in the country and it's a major train station
just in the small town. So and there's lots of
the surrounding towns. There's loads of hotels and things like that,
but generally people come here for the day or if

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they're you know, driving in, they stay over somewhere nearby.
But yeah, it's kind of cool and there's lots of
pubs and curry houses.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Used to visit London and visit the British Museum, which
is just worth your you're coming in.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's also like, you know, Bristol. If they're flying in,
you can fly into Bristol. It's not too far away.
And yeah, it's easy to get to. Basically, we've got
a giant car parks. You know, people can just drive
in and stay there. It's totally fine. We've got really
good caterers as well. We've got this really cool team.
We do the really nice food and proper coffee, which

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is useful when you're listening to seven or eight hours
of lectures. But yeah, it does, you know. So we've
got it covered basically.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So what are you charging converted to us? What's what's
the fee to get in for the day.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
That's a good question. I can't remember, Tom.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think it's about six sixty I think it's about
fifty five pounds. I believe about seventy dollars something like bugs.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You're including hood with that, No, no, no, okay, yeah,
it's hey, it's compared to American conferences it's pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's here god yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really cheap, but
maybe eighty bucks by the time.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Dig it out some goldon stonehead or something to keep
going like, but we.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Just get Luckily, we get quite a lot of people coming,
so it kind of comes it a lot of people
on the on the live stream. But yeah, but yeah,
we have a we have a good time. It's a
nice little winter get together over sam Hay and Halloween time.
You know, everyone can kind of get together. And it's
one of the things I like about conferences as well,
a bit like the tours, but more the conferences because

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you have like one hundred and two hundred people all
turning up haven't seen each other for months now. We'll
get to hang out, you know, we all get to
hang out and kind of hear the latest stuff, you know,
share ideas, Yeah, sign a few books, this, that and
the other.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
So it's like it's a good it's a good vibe. Excellent.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
All right, let's talk about your latest discoveries. You're going
to be presenting at the conference as well. Origins Conference
and you are the Quebecy teppee boy is all I
can think of it used to be Coylin Andrews. Now
it's you and there's been some discoveries there and once
you talk a little bit about the latest research that
you have Encourverreed.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, yeah, I mean the whole area, which has become
known as Tastapola, which basically means Stone Hills, is growing.
I mean we're talking you know, for a while, a
long while, there was only Quebec lee Tepe that was
the big site, dates to eleven thousand, six hundred years ago.
Now we've got Carahan Tepe, the Saber. There's some sites

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that are just being started to be excavated, like habet
Zu van Cepe, Tepe Chak Mac Tape, even a jan
Lahoyec as well, which we'll talk about shortly.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So there's a whole load.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Of stuff kind of going on there, and it's stretching,
you know, into a wide area which I call a
super civilization. That's going to be kind of title of
the next book that me and JJ are working on.
But if we started to Beckley Tape, for instance, because
there's actually brand new stuff coming out of there, and
there's more controversies coming out of there as well, which
I think are going to surprise people. Obviously we've got

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the main the main enclosures that everyone knows about. There's
talk now of a new GPR scan is going to
be taking place. This is there's one that was done
in twenty fourteen or between twenty twelve and twenty fourteen.
But they're going to be doing a new scan ground
penetrating radiar and then they're going to decide what they're

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going to do next. Because there's all the olive trees,
which was a big controversy, they've all now gone.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
There's going to be stuff if just for a minute
you there's been a lot of discussion of corporations buying
the facility and not excavating anymore. Apparently I can't remember
who was talking about it, but it was it's gotten
it to the point where it's a museum rather than
an archaeological site. What's the story on that.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yes, so there's been a lot of debate.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
There's a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti, Yes, thank you. Does
Bright Insight is a very interesting chat. He's been really
pushing because he's done a lot of research on it.
I kind of assisted him with a little bit of
that actually, and he's found that there's an involvement from
the w EF, the World Economic Forum. They had a
big thing about Coebecley Tappe and Davos when they had

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the big meeting there. He's found out over twenty million
of funding euros has come in and they kind of
it's almost started seeing saying they slowed down the excavation,
are focused on conservation and tourism and building all this
stuff over the site, which is some new stuff. I'm
going to show you that, which is a bit I'm
not too keen on that.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
The reason I'm interrupting you is that Corsetti showed some
photos of these olive trees planted on the archaeological site.
It's like frit Scene who allowed that.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
They've been there.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
They've been there for years. I mean, they've been there
since I've been going there. Oh and I think I
think it wasn't I don't think it was when they
were when they were planting. It was planted by the
family to improve improve the soil, improve the kind of
increase the value of the site so.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
They get more commission and things like this.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
But then they realized, you know, there's a debate as
to whether they realized they causing damage underneath, or whether
Jimmy pushed forward to kind of get them removed. But
whatever happened, you know, I think Jimmy was doing the
right thing and bringing that to people's attention. And now
they've removed all of them, and so now they're going
to do a GPR scan, which is fascinating it and
they've actually, as we'll see in a moment, they've changed

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some of the pathways.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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(29:42):
today is Hugh Newman. He is a author, research investigator
and has made a personal study of Quebecle Teppe, Carahan
Teppe and many of the unusual sites that are found
in northern Turkey. So I was there two years ago

(30:03):
and you're saying that they have removed all of the
olive trees on all sides of the area.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, the whole site, the whole site has now kind
of gone none left. I mean there's a few handful left.
That's it, just a few, so it's not too much really.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
So what's the latest discoveries talk a little bit about
what they have uncovered.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, well, when we were there this if you look
at this, this discovery was found in the wall. If
people can see this image, there's you know, it's quite
well known. You can google, you can see it online.
They found this human statue is about three feet long
inside a wall. The one in the middle is actually
a representation of another statue was found several years ago,
which is similar to it, and they've kind of put

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that now in the museum. So people don't know whether
because it was placed in the wall, it was some
kind of votive offering or whether it was just used
to as a you know, it was knackled old bit
of stone and they used it as a brick in
a wall, you know, which I think it's quite interesting.
So there's different debates about what that is. But often,
you know, when you're placing stuff like that, it's like

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it's in the foundations, and so it to me it
feels like although it's probably added later after the main
site of being constructed, it is has meaning.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's not just placed there randomly.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
And I think that I think that that's my opinion
on it, based upon other stuff they found which has
been placed in walls at other sites and things like
this which seem to have meaning as well. But what
they're meaning is, we don't know. But it doesn't have
any legs. It's like hands sort of coming up. It's
almost coming up the front like this, not really touching
the navel, they're kind of coming up the front. And

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it's got a kind of unusual, kind of almost alien
like head on it, which we find in many of
the statues at quebecley Tepe. But while we were there
this was being discovered and so that we found this
quite intriguing, and soon after, you know, and then it
got announced like two days after we were there in
September twenty twenty five. While we were there, we were

(32:00):
noticing that there's lots of construction works taking place inside
Enclosure C at quebeculey Tepe. This is one of the
main enclosures that everyone looks at. The Closure D is
the main one which in the background that you can
see there, but Enclosure see, they're actually like rebuilding the
walls and rebuilding the ta pillars of the main tea

(32:22):
pillar inside the site, actually gluing it back together like
a jigsaw. As you can see here, they're kind of
like just piecing it back together, which I thought was
very odd. But and the problem is this wall you
see that they're rebuilding is going over some of the
tea pillars and actually covering up some of the three

(32:42):
D reliefs, which really surprised me because this wall. They
think that basically the walls were placed there between the
tea pillars the very early earliest point of construction in
nine thousand and six hundred BC. There's no actual evidence
of that. There's no evidence that these walls weren't added
later just to hold things up and kind of separate
the enclosures. And so because you wouldn't create these three

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D reliefs and then build a wall straight over it,
maybe in a few generations you might have done it
just to kind of prop up the stones. So we
don't know what if they're reconstructing it, if it's actually
based on the original design, because they haven't actually excavated
below these walls and further down, so they could be
building over actual excavation, which needs to be done, which
will never see again now because these are permanent. So

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there is a bit of an issue going on there.
We even had the Japanese princess turn up and just
a couple of days after we were there, and she
kind of was having a look. She was also involved
in the archaeological project because as a Japanese team taken
over one of the test table of sites. But as
you can see you see in the back there it
actually reconstructed the t pillar step back together.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yes it's massive.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And so here's here's a couple of shot, some shots
before and after. You see that, you know on the
left side of both pictures.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Quickly do they think that these tea pillars were purposely
damaged and crushed two or a collapsed so that they
could cover them up?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
These were these were destroyed before the site was closed
down years ago. So this is a part is what
we see a Carahan tape where the site itself is
almost deliberately damaged. We see another view of it here.
Wow big, I mean there's a big. These are a
massive the's like eighteen feet tall roughly. So these are beasts,

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you know, so that you know, and the bedrock you
see the sort of bedrock. There's like a bedrock pedestal
there that's that's all carved down from bedrock. So there's
like massive bedrock carving going on here. And I believe
even around the edge they had a curb kind of
coming around the edge which they would slot the tea
pillars in before the walls were built. You can actually

(34:53):
see that in this reconstruction. If you look on the
left hand side, you can see that there's like a
bedrock curb. I can show pick within the bedrock itself.
And got another image here before and after. That's the
back of the tea pillar and you can actually see
it's kind of like a bit rough. It's kind of
like being damaged and things like that, but it gives you,
it gives you some impression, you know. And I think

(35:15):
they're going to be doing more and more of this reconstruction,
but I just hope they don't do too much where
they then building over the archaeology where they could be
discoveries to be made. And you also have to question,
why are they spending time and money on this when
ninety or to ninety five percent of the site has
not been excavated. You know, they could just be doing that.

(35:37):
Why an't they doing that? And so that that baffle
has always baffled me.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Well, we got to.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Admit this because they have spent a hell of a
lot of money on this huge enclosure and so they
probably want to get as much tourism as they can
out of the things. So they're making this thing that
the prime object object to go to go view.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Right, Yeah, no, for sure, you know, but but you
know one of the things, Yeah, it tidies it up
as well. You look at that, you look at like
you could basically see like the floor. Now it's a
lot more tidy, tidy it up. They put this all
this rubble back together basically. So in a way it
makes sense, you know, it's like a logical They're doing
it at Carahan Tepe already we can see some of

(36:18):
the enclosures they will look at shortly, and so it
makes sense. But I'm just concerned about the walls mainly
being built, you know, being rebuilt, because these are covering
up stuff they haven't even excavated yet, I think, you know,
so this is where the issue comes in, Hugh.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Is it because they have found artifacts close to the
wall area and you're you're thinking they should be digging
deeper or what.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, they just haven't got down to the bedrock in
a lot of places, so there's going to be stuff there.
I mean, there's a porthole stone at the back end
of Enclosure Sea, which was Andrew and I suppoted back
in twenty fifteen, and it's just in the rubble and
that's just being forgotten about. And there's rubbable now going
over the top of it. And that should have been
placed in this new wall because that would have been
the northern orientation they you know. So there's issues like that.

(37:10):
But one of the interesting things that I've noticed, you know,
when you look at this, it's actually confirmed something I
was researching before that, and that is the geometry I
found that they it's almost like they've tied in it
up and you can see more of the enclosure, and
it's actually confirmed what I was saying all along that
enclosure to see it as a very specific geometry, which

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is called a flat and circle modified type B based
upon the work of Alexander tom and the British dose circles.
So that made my day. You know that that is
now being confirmed. But also we have Enclosure D, which
is behind it that's now been tided up. There's there's
been all the new discoveries with the Boor statue, which
we'll look at in a moment, but that is now
proved that there's a geometry there which we can see here.

(37:56):
And this this back again backs up my theory that
they were working with very sophisticated, very very specific types
of geometry based upon the work of Alexander tom and
the stone circles he decoded in the British Aisles, and
so that is quite interesting. So the more they clear away,
the more they excavate, the more they kind of tidy

(38:16):
things up, the more shapes come out, which seem to
just keep coming up with these specific geometries. We get
that and Enclosure B as well in Enclosure A and
where you know, since more's being cleared up, it's shown
that it's an egg shape, a very specific egg shape
that we find, you know, in other stone circles around
the world.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
So yeah, I'm quite intrigued by all this.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
There's a you know, there's a negative side, where why
aren't they doing more excavation, Why are they rebuilding all
this stuff? But at the same time it's clearing stuff
away it's revealing the geometries, it's revealing these new discoveries.
So there's a it's two sides to the coin. I
think you've got to look at it both ways. Let's
just hope with this big GPR scan that they're planning

(39:01):
to do this month apparently, that they'll find more and
they'll be able to actually dig deeper and they'll be
able to actually be able to have a look at
what's going on kind of under the ground there a
little bit more. Mean, they did the scan years ago,
but I think they need that they've got better technology,
they're going to do it again, so I think that
I think that's the key.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'm curious your theory that this is something that relates
to Tom's work. Was there a roof on these enclosures
or not, because if they're doing sight skins into the sky,
they can't have a roof. They have to have either
a sight line that opens up somewhere or no roof
at all.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well, No, it depends because you know you've got if
it is all about the walls, right, because if the
wolves aren't there, they're not blocking anything. You can see
in between the outer tea pillars in the outer ring,
you know, into the horizon. So a lot of a
lot of the stuff I've been looking at and jj
is horizon astronomy, like the sun and the moon rising

(40:02):
or setting on the horizon. So you don't even if
it had a roof will make any difference because you're
looking through like a gap, like a window between two That's.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
What I'm wondering, if it's like a you know, a
sight line of somekin.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I mean, there are speculations that there were roofs, obviously
that this has been put forward by various kind of archaeologists,
but there's no evidence. All they found is two negatives
where they think two poles may have once existed. But
it's now been proven that this fell down from the
higher up elevation of the later structures, which we know
had roofs on them.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
These are small square and.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Structs square structures, and so there's no direct evidence. But
we've proven over and over again, and we can look
at that Carahan tape shortly that even with roofs it
won't affect the kind of astronomy we're looking at because
there's going to be gaps in the outer walls between
the tea pillars, the in the you know, the outer ring,

(40:58):
so makes no difference. But the other problem is is
that we've had engineers, structural engineers join us on our
tours there and they've looked at it, and so they
can't be a root because all the tea pillars are
slightly different heights and there's no damage on top of them.
There would be there's a wood place on top of them,
and they're not structural, They're just not structural. These are

(41:20):
more symbolic, you know, And these tea pillars might look structural,
but they're not very shallow pits, very shallow sockets.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
So if there was.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Any wind or rain or movement, it would knock all
the tea pillars over, you know, especially the central ones.
So it wouldn't really function like that. I mean, but
again we're speculating as much as the archaeologist are speculating
that there was a roof, you know, because there's no
evidence to back it up as such.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yet, are you guys still holding to the cover ded
at twelve thousand years ago where they covered it up
or is it gotten in the order?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, the old dates, they've got a close to nine thousand,
six hundred BC as their construction dates and then around
eight thousand b C or thereabouts they started. But there
were slope slides that filled in that enclosure d and
some of the enclosures, so there was a natural kind

(42:18):
of infilling. They cleared them out, they did repairs and
things like this. This is in prehistory, and then they
deliberately covered up the rest of the site. This is
pretty much improven now. It's so, you know, there's there
was this big debate that these slope slides buried the
entire site, but that's that's literally impossible because there's you
can't slope slide upwards. You know, there's there's stuff above

(42:39):
where the slope slide happened, phil that are being placed
there by people and so and Krahan Tepa. There's a
scientific paper by the head archaeologist Nesmi Keral who's proven
beyond doubt that there was a deliberate burial there as well.
And so we pretty much know that for a fact
that you know, both these sites and other test Temple

(43:00):
of sites, this is this is in fact, how they've
been preserved so well.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Is that they were buried, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
But weirdly, the building of the people at the site
damaged it some of the site, some of the site
then buried it. So it's annoying, you know, yeah, but
not all of it. Some of it got preserved, some
of it even got reconstructed.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
When I was there a couple of years ago, I mean,
the main pit was open. But you're saying that Gorbeckley
Tepe consists of what twelve pits.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
There's there's a well, there's there's about five or so
enclosures are being uncovered. These are the main ones, the
main ones in the southeast depression, but they started on
some other ones in the northwest but not continued them.
It just some years ago and so no, very very little.
You know, technically, there's some smaller ones going heading west

(43:58):
from the main enclosure. You can actually see that on
the scan. You can see it going to the enclosure
f which has got interesting a summer solstice alignment, and
some other ones. They're smaller later enclosures. Some of those
are being excavated. But as you see on just the
scan they did like ten to fifteen years ago, there's
giant enclosures under there. They're not they're thinking they might

(44:21):
not excavate, which I cannot believe. This is one of
the things Jimmy Corsett has been talking about, Look, why
aren't they excavating this?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I think I had twelve million dollars. What's that
money going towards?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
And twenty million euros at least, oh euros is what
we're talking about. That's conservation, that's building the visitors center
and things like that. Stuff like that's what that's been
spent on, you know. And so there's a potentially twenty
one enclosures now that's the theory that and only five

(44:52):
or six are being excavated, you know, started to be
looked at properly, and so the potential is insane. I
mean what baffles me is that we have some archaeologists
who are saying, oh, you don't need to dig anymore,
We've got enough information. But I don't buy that because
you look at what's happening at carahand Teppe and say Birch.
They're discovering constantly daily whilst they're pushing forward with the

(45:14):
excavations at those sites, and so it kind of makes
you wonder what on Earth is going on and why
they want to slow it down when they could really
be speeding it up, you know, with all the interest,
all the money that's coming into the country.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I just hope they do, you know. I just hope there's.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
More done at Quebecley Tepp, and I hope this GPR
scan they're planning reveals more and they can actually kind
of go into where they've removed the olive trees and
actually start digging.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Excellent, Hey, let's go to carahand Teppy. I had a
chance to see it in an early phase a couple
of years ago. I wanted to ask you they found
a human skull there. I think it was there, and
to my mind, I think I read that it was
petrified stone, which means it is it would have a

(46:02):
great age. I have not heard anything since in the
last twenty four months about there. Do you any information.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I don't know. I don't know about a petrified skull.
I know they found bones and skeletons and skulls. They
found them at say Birch as well.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
I can't imagine it to be petrified unless it was
just buried in you know, rock and dirt and things
like this. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But
this is like but they're finding a lot of stuff
on the top of the hill. Now this is the enclosure,
the main enclosure. This is brand new photos of the
enclosure at the top of the hill, just to give

(46:38):
it a perspective that that's the site. It's a bit
of a rough photo. But now they're pushing up the
hill and excavating more and more up there, so there's
quite a lot. There's quite a lot still being uncovered. Obviously,
we know about the seven and a half foot human
statue holding its phalus with the ribs and the kind
of almost sphinx like beard, and the porthole stone, and

(47:04):
we have this dude as well. We have the kind
of the vulture that was found in that particular enclosure.
But what is really fascinating to me is this they've
they're now really they've really gone to work on this
top enclosure where this statue and this vulture were found,
and they're revealing these really interesting scenario where the bedrock

(47:26):
cut bedrock floor, giant tea pillars in the center, twelve
ta pillars around the edge, just like we find it
a Beckley tepe, and these giant kind of benches carved
out of bedrock in some cases, and with the tea
pillars were placed in between. We slotted into the bedrock.
So I think that was a design spec before any
walls were built at these sites.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
When they were being constructed.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
There's lots of artifacts, stone work detail is to be
honest with you, it is insane, is what is happening
in this.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Part of the world.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Is a complete lost buried culture, a super civilization I
call it because it's so advanced the first time, and
it's astonishes me every time I go there. I go
there at least twice a year, sometimes three times a year,
and it just blows my mind constantly. I just cannot
quite believe I was going to Carahan Tepe like when

(48:21):
nothing was there, nothing, you know, it was just a
few pillars, a little tops two or three inches of
a tea pillar sticking out the ground and I had
no inkling. This was underneath my feet every time I
walked there. I was going there for six or seven
years please, but started probably excavating.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So, yeah, it is older than go Beckley Tappey. It's
like fourteen thousand years, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
No, that's one of that's one of the arguments for it,
but there's not been verified. Actually, they actually say it's
nineteen thousand and four hundred BC hundred, which is two
hundred years younger than go Beckley Teppe. But you're right
in one respect because they think they've actually there was
actually kind of people frequenting the area before that, and

(49:03):
they found evidence of tools and stone you know, little
you know, like arrowheads and things like that in the
whole area on top and around Carahan Tepe, which go
back at least a thousand years before this. And so yeah,
so there's something, there's something definitely going on there. But
this new enclosure I just find really really fascinating because

(49:25):
there's rumors of other statues have been found, but they
haven't been presented to the public yet. We've got some
information about that, but we can't really say much.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
But there's more.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
These stone plates, these beautiful stone plates have been uncovered,
intricate carvings. There's astronomical alignments emerging from these sites as well,
which something in the archaeologist aren't too keen on, but
they're there. They keep they keep turning up, you know,
it just keeps happening.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
But there's more.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I mean, if you go down the hill, if you
actually go down the hill kind of to the bottom
part here. If you go down, you know, to the bottom,
you can Actually they've actually found a few other things.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I mean, this is one.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
So we've got the famous pillar shrine at the bottom
of the hill. We've got the kind of structure AB
it's called all the Pillars of the stone head as
the winter Solstice alignment. But just in front of that,
I mean JJ spotted this. They've now uncovered this like
a mini pillar shrine, you know, and it's actually got
one pillar or two pillars in it, carved out of

(50:26):
bedrock as well, so it's like a little phallus room,
you know, like there's the big Fallus room structure AB,
but this is like what the hell is this?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
So that really intrigued us because.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Last year I had the opportunity to go to something
that JJ's been researching for years, this site in central
Turkey called get a Kaya Cave, and this goes back
fourteen to sixteen thousand years old. Within the cave you
have something like this, but it's actually a stalagmite or
staleog tite coming out of the ground and it's revered

(50:58):
and been cut. It's got calved around it, were all
built around it, and it goes back to before the
time of Carahan Tepe, long before, and yet we have
a similar thing here as well. So so JJ was
kind of looking at the comparisons of those two for
a long time, you know, with the pillar shrine, could
they be representations of natural features like you're getting caves
like stalimite, stalley types, things like this. And then this

(51:21):
one turned up and it looks almost like it's from
the cave itself in way back, way further west in
central Turkey. So we found that quite intriguing. Actually, you know,
there's little things like this, little symbols of we believe
they're like fertility symbols turning up at these sites.

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(52:38):
He has made a study of many of these unusual
sites known as Quebeclee Teppe, Carahan Teppee and other unusual
sub level temples in northern Turkey. I'm curious. I don't
remember seeing any tools in any of the museum. How

(53:01):
the hell did they cut that bedrug into flat walkways?
It's just must have taken forever.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yes, it's a serious amount of work. I mean, I
mean it's impressive.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Because they cut around and create columns, right and somebody,
I know, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I mean, so, yeah, they were using well there's antler picks,
there's flint, the fine stone work. They could use obsidian.
You can actually use obsidian for it as well. All
of these were available, you know, at this time, and
so you know, we we do know that they were
certainly they certainly did it, but they didn't have any
metal or anything like that. Orthough, there was copper found
at some sites, but it wasn't heated hardened copper. It

(53:42):
was just natural work copper with hammers and things like that.
So yeah, there's there's there's a.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Lot going on.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean, there's a few other things here as well.
I mean here is just there's a few extra carvings
have been emerged. I'm not sure exactly what all of
these are, but the one, the one in the middle,
there are those that can see this. Basically, we've got
a three D relief on the front of a pillar
like you find a quebecule Tepe the famous three D
critter crawling down the front. There's actually one at Carahan

(54:11):
Tepe in the new enclosure that's been uncovered. We even
have nubs, you know, like the nubs you get in Peru.
There's a t pillar here with a nub on the
front of it, which is like probably not a nub
as we know it, but it's there, and it's like, oh,
I got a sec you know, this is what the
hell's that?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You know?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Why is that there? And so yeah, there's quite a
lot to a lot going on. And there's also that
they're they're rebuilding their kind of look on this image
here this these yellow areas. This is where they've they're
digging pits into the ground and they're going to be
building a roof at Krahan Tepeh.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
This is the news.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
This is this is like the news has been around
for a while, but they haven't started yet. We were
there in September, just a few weeks ago. But this
is what they wanted to look like. This is what
they think, yeah, yeah, oh no, And so these are
this is like the kind of graphics that come up now.
It's obviously there's a positive it's going to protect the
site because this hasn't been exposed for thousands of years,

(55:12):
but it's gonna it's already they're already digging these holes
into the archaeology, you know, clearly going down to the
bedrock to see where they could put these giant posts.
So that's slightly concerning. And we're also worried that that
will block the winter solstice alignment the sun coming through,
but looking at the cmeach here, it might not because

(55:32):
if they don't have sides on the roof, it's going
to be open. So the winter solstice sunlight should still
be able to get through and come through without being
interfered with, which is kind of what we hope that.
That's what we're hoping anyway, But we'll see what happens
with that. I mean, we might we may or may

(55:53):
not go back there in December because the thing the
problem is now that now it's becoming a fishful site.
There's cameras up everywhere, the guards with guns people out
there too.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, you can't. You can't.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Just before we could wander up there and walk about
and get shots of whatever we wanted. Now they're kind
of a little bit strict, So we don't know if
they'll even let us in for the winter Solstice sunrise,
but we might go and try anyway because we feel
it's like this should be a cultural phenomenon in Turkey.
This is like a major you know, just you know,
we think it's a major discovery. I mean, we're not

(56:26):
blowing our own trumpet here a little bit, but we
feel it needs to be kind of looked at because
if they were recording things like this the winter solstice
back at this time, then they were very smart, very
advanced people, and Garyan Teppe was almost like built around
this winter Solstice alonement. It could have been what their

(56:46):
culture was kind of based upon. So it just makes
you wonder. I mean, for those that can see this
is we've got time lapse of what actually happens on
the winter solstice. You can see the head getting illuminated
and it lasts for forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Are you scanning in the pit to take this flow?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
No, we weren't. We're just outside of it. But we had
the camera very low.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Okay, I was going to say, wow, how did you
get in?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, and and so that's this is what happens. So
this alignment. You know, it perfectly fits in with what's
going on at the site, and you know, and so
you know, we've got just let me run this by.
So regarding this new roof that they're going to build
on the site, there's actually people think way way back
there were roofs kind of on the site when it

(57:32):
was being used, and we think, you know, there might
be something to that. So we had our guy, Kevin Eslinger,
was a graphic three D artist kind of test you know,
what it would be like when it was rebuilt with
this when a socials alignment still work. He put the
the kind of roof on it, he put the wooden
beams on it, how they would fit the pillars if

(57:52):
they if there were kind of if there was a
construction there at ancient times. And I worked with him
quite closely on it, you know, and things like this
to make sure everything was in the right place. And
we just found that between the two outer tea pillars
on the left, some would come through between them. It
would almost be below just below the kind of roof

(58:13):
as I mentioned earlier, so these alignments may not be
interfered with with the roof, and it actually would come
through and it would illuminate the stone. And he recreated
this all on computer with the night sky in nine
thousand BC and kind of put it all together. So
and even with a full thatch roof like this is
like a Native American style, he found the same thing.

(58:34):
It would still work. It was still function even if
it's a one small window in it which captures the
movement of the sun moving across the sky.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That yees.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
So we you know we're working. I'm working. I'm working
with Kevin on currently. We just started really pushing forward
with our project to reconstruct carahan Tepe.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You know, does it feel huge? Does it feel like
there's a roof there or not? I mean, you're putting
a roof on it. Do you really have a good
feeling that that's how it was?

Speaker 3 (59:02):
No, I don't. I don't personally think there was. You know,
that's my opinion based upon the reason. But that's what
I thought. That's why I asked you. But there's but
so many people believe there was one and are kind
of disputing our winness solvedice alignment, saying that no, there
won't work because there's a roof. We decided to put
it to the test and we basically came up trumps,

(59:23):
but you know, so we're quite pleased about that. We
even had a friend, Matt Sibson off Ancient Architects Channel.
He was disputing our roof theory and he actually worked
with Kevin Eslinger and myself and and and he basically confirmed.
He was blown away. Even with a roof it works.
Absolutely stunned by this. And if people are interested, I've

(59:44):
actually put a full article together which people can read
on academia dot org. We can link it, you know,
on the show somewhere.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
People can have a reader. But it's free.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
You know, it's going to be a chapter, and it's
going to be a chapter in our book with all
the reconstructions and how and why it works. And we
just encourage, you know, because we're coming up to the
winter solstice, I think, you know, I want to encourage
people to kind of somehow let's try and make Carahan
Tape a thing, because this is like New Grains, It's
like Stonehenge. This is like people can go once a

(01:00:15):
year and actually have a little celebration and observing something
the ancients built into the site and observe themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So what I'm saying here is that this was I
think Schmidt. I don't know if Schmid was at krahan
Teppe or not. But this is an observatory. This is
a celestial observatory. Yes, I believe so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, but I think it's very much focused on the
solstices rather than the stars. That's what that's what, that's
what we've found because you know, probably were the stars
as well. That's something Andrew Collins and Graham Hancock and
others have looked at more than I have. But the
fact is you've got this winter solstice alonement which is
so so profound. So you can go and see it today.

(01:00:57):
You know, there's no disputing it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It works.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You know, you can't you can't really dispute it. That
That's what I'm so so intrigued by. You know, there
is functional when you can see it now, it would
have worked even better, but it's been a slightly different
only been a degree difference in the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
How sophisticated. Is it agricultural only or do we get
into like the Maya where we have a sensitive timeframe
that aligns with astrology, where you could actually figure out
if you wanted to have a child or not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Well, this is the fertility aspect of the site. Yeah,
this is something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I mean and j you believe that too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You have a fortun Well, this was before agriculture. It's
nothing to do with agriculture. This was probably ceremonial and
like ritualists and people, it's like a blanket term. People
don't like it too much in some cases, but if
people come to origins, I'm going to do my lecture
looking at the earlier solstices, winter sociuses before this time,

(01:01:56):
before carahan Tepe, and it's going to be a big
theme the new book which is going to be coming
out next year. And I've pretty much proven already that
even in Paleolithic times and other cultures before gebecley Teppe,
in carahan Tepe, the winter and the summer solstice were
big deals for people and it was all based upon
initiations rituals. It was the creation of a calendar as well,

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but it wasn't a calendar like for the way we
use calendars. It was a calendar for feasting, for initiations,
for rights of passage, for kind of changes in life,
you know, like celebrations, getting pregnant, rebirth, fertility, things like this.
That's very esoteric very But if you look into the
mythologies of the ancient, the ancient cultures, which JJ has

(01:02:43):
been doing, you find correlations with that it all fits together.
There's even data which I present, I'm going to present
origins I'm going to be going in the new book
proving that there's anthropological data hunter gatherer groups, and we
know the around Tape people were thought to be hunt gatherers,
that modern hunter gatherer groups all follow the solstices very carefully.

(01:03:07):
They're obsessed by it, and so ancient hunting gatherers probably
did the same. And there's even paleolithic caves in France
and other places that they chose which are aligned to
the rising and the setting of the sun on the
solstice and actually beams in the cave entrances and illuminate
some of the paintings. This is what's mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
So there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Whole area of research we're getting deeply into which proves
that this is a much earlier, earlier solstice kind of obsession.
So I'm back up to forty thousand years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
So I just mentioned fertility. What are some other esoteric
paranormal types of activities around solstices and the equinoxes that
you can talk about. Yeah, I mean you mentioned initiations
that could be initiating into the druid, you know kind

(01:04:03):
of theme.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Well, we've got a lot of a lot of things
going on. You know, there's a lot of aspects to this.
I mean, I've actually written about this already, So if
people want to kind of dive into it, they can
check out this article. They can just find it on
academia to org or on scribbed. It's going to be
up on substack as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Give me that you will put it up on the note.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, no, for sure. And I get into all this,
all these different aspects. We look at the Native American traditions,
they go way way back. How that fits in with
the Paleolithic caves and even like Lascal for instance, this
is something that might have Sweatman got me onto. It's aligned.
The entrance was aligned to the summer solstice sunset precisely.

(01:04:48):
And I've got to give you know, this was a
bunch of French researchers, but actually Martin Sweatman was the
first to put this in his book and it kind
of opened my eyes. But then I realized it's not
just one Paleolithic cave. I actually went there this summer
with my family to investigate all this. They found one
hundred and over one hundred and thirty Paleolithic caves are
aligned to the solstices and the equinoxes. It's way beyond chance.

(01:05:13):
So there's millions of caves to choose from in that
part of the world, but they chose specific ones where
the sun would illuminate on these specific times of year.
And this is then there's paintings, you know, just in
that particular part of the cave. I mean there's even
three D reliefs we find in some of these are
very similar to quebecle Teppe and Carahan Tepe, and so

(01:05:34):
I think there's a you know, there's good evidence that
there's a long standing tradition going very very far back,
you know, into different parts of Europe, even even into Russia.
We've got evidence coming out of Russia now and the
kind of Caucasus area which JJ has been looking at,
which suggests this is the case. I mean, this is
just that this is the data that was collected by

(01:05:56):
these French academics kind of backing all this up and
so I mean that's a tip of the iceberg. I mean, honestly,
there's there's a whole lot more than that. But you know,
but I mean when it comes to the test Tapola sites,
we're just waiting for or to be excavated to see
if other sites have this. I mean, one of the
most exciting sites to me is we're talking about this

(01:06:18):
before we came on air is a Sayberg as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I want to talk about Sabers because I have not
been there and I've heard amazing things about it. We
should also let our listeners know, Hugh that the museum
that they've put up in Turkey just to glorify Goebecy
Teppe Carahan tepping in these other sites is fabulous. It's
very well done and I don't know who's doing it.

(01:06:42):
I don't know if it's the Turks or somebody else,
but it's a very good museum in multiple languages.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Is exceptional.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Yeah, I mean, they've done a full reconstruction of Enclosure
d all the a lot of the first discovered statues
from Carahan tape, even the Valley Churi is a lot
being reconstructed in the museum, which is amazing. There's stuff
now from say Birch as well, which we could see
here and what you know, say Birch, I mean it
doesn't even doesn't look like this anymore. I mean this

(01:07:10):
has been completely kind of removed, all the houses above.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I wanted to ask you when you guys, you and
Andrew first went there, you were going into a home. Yeah,
the circle was the foundations of a house.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
This is what I mean. So this is how fast
it's moving at these other sites. But the thing about
say Burt is the name I want to mention, because
we're talking about astronomy. Say in say Birch, Say means counting.
In Turkish, birch b you are with the thing on
the scene means sign of the zodiac, and you know
which is so it's like counting and the sign of

(01:07:45):
the It's like it's almost saying. The name of the
site could be an ancient name. And even burke in
a Turk in Kurdish means watch tower. And we know
there used to be a tower at the site, say Burch,
which got demolished in the nineteen forties. I know this
because we spoke to all the families that have been
there since that time. And so this is like Jericho

(01:08:06):
kind of tower we're talking about here. So it gets
more epic the more you look into it. Really, but
you know, for a long time with say Birch, we
had it looked like this and then we went back there.
You know, it's but a year and a half ago
it looked like this, so half of it, half of

(01:08:26):
it was uncovered. This was a year and a half ago,
and this is like, now the whole house has gone.
This is a three D scan, uh, and you can
see there's there's a huge area. But now this is it.
This is like an exclusive. Actually I haven't shown this
to anybody. This is what it looks like now. So
this is just one of the enclosures, mind you, this
is one Okay, this isn't like the entire site. We'll

(01:08:49):
look at some of the other new stuff as well.
So there so it's just blowing my mind the more
we look into it. You can see that here as well.
You can kind of get a sense. And this is
about what thirty feet across something like that. He's an
aerial shot of it one of the areas they're excavating.
But what really intrigued me is the fact that the

(01:09:11):
shape of it fits in of my research on geometry perfectly,
and you can see that here. This is again one
of the egg shapes of Alexander Tom which is now
being found at say Birch as well. Again I haven't
mentioned this is the first time I mentioned this anywhere
as well. So this is like brand new stuff coming
out of here. So it's really compelling. What is coming

(01:09:34):
out of the ground at say Birds for sure?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
What does say Birds meet? You give us the definition?
Is it also an observatory or is it more of
a ritualistic kind of medium place.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Well, it's a bit of both, I think, But the
name kind of you know, if it's an ancient name,
I don't know, but it means counting a sign of
the zodiac and watch tower, you know, which is really
life tower. Yeah, really bizarre to have that. But the
more they've done excavation here, I mean, we know the
main enclosures now being excavated. They found human bones actually

(01:10:07):
inside one of the square pits just next to the
main enclosure. They've actually found more here than they're letting on.
We we we know there's more here. We talked to
one of the locals and we saw some image images
of something that's going to be revealed very soon and
I'm not really allowed to talk about it right now,

(01:10:28):
but again, it should be out in the next few weeks.
But we've got we've seen it. There's an amazing discovery
that's being made. A little clue is is that it's
going to be something like one of these let's just
say that for now. But so with say Bert, you've
got this whole area here they're now excavating. You know,
there's a whole area to the south. There's lots more

(01:10:50):
they're digging deep into. Luckily, there was a whole area
of the village that no one built on. This was
like the sort of play park, you know, where no
one touched. It's sort of like a sacred area. They
didn't really touch it, and they've been digging there. They
found human remains, they found beautiful statues, some intricate carvings

(01:11:10):
on them, and a whole lot more and so. And
the other thing is another really weird thing is that
in one part of the site, it's just on the
left of the image here where they've kind of they
thought it was a Roman quarry which was kind of
being carved out in Roman times. Like eight thousand years
later than when it was Say Birch was being built,

(01:11:32):
because this dates back to at least nine thousand BC.
And there's I mean, look at the quarrying on the
left there that is Roman quarrying, they think. And so
I've got this crazy idea that the Romans discovered say
Birch and like then then left it because look at
this right. So you've got this here, you got this

(01:11:54):
little rope, You've got this potentially a Roman quarry. We
know they were quarrying in the area. There's another hill
just next to where they would definitely quarry. But look
then on the left there you've got this beautiful little
kind of test tabola style carving, which you can see
here that is just next.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
To this Roman quoit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
And they literally left it alone, haven't touched it, and
they're within ten feet of the main enclosure. And so
I think that I've got them absolutely convinced the Romans
discovered say Birch and they and there might be records
somewhere of them talking about this. I'm going to start
looking into this because there's something strains going on here

(01:12:32):
because a lot of the site, some of the other
tast Tabola sites seem to have this where the Romans
got really close to where many of them are but
then left them as though they were kind of warned
away by the locals or something like this, I don't
touch the area, you can't touch that. But you know,
let's just say though the new there's a lot of
human statues have come out of the ground. Carahan tape

(01:12:56):
got Earth of Man that came out of a site
in Shanneler for itself. We've got this little say birch
man there, and we've got the Navali try head which
was part of a large statue on the you know
with the kind of serpent coming down the back. So
all of these, so every actually every site they're finding
these human statues. And so watch this space with say
Berts because something is going to be announced very very soon.

(01:13:19):
But there's there's more though, there's sites. There's they've just
started excavating a site that we've been investigated for several
years called a yan Lahoyak. This is the official fence
they put around the site. This is a giant test
tablar site probably twelve thousand years old, a bit less
and this is now being investigated by Japanese team, and

(01:13:40):
it's just begun when we were there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
It just got in this year. But we've been going
to the site for years.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
And the thing that really good excites me about the
site is that they've actually, we've actually found tea.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Pillars there before.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Now weirdly, a paper came out many years ago by
Bauck teaen Selik talking about yand La Hoyac and about
it's definitely something going on and they found a few
little pieces there like we can see the image on
the right, and he said, there's no tea pillars are
being found. So me and JJ went there twenty twenty
two and what did we find. We found a tea

(01:14:17):
pillar just lying on the ground and we couldn't believe it.
So we and this is definitely a T shaped pillar.
You know, this is like it's got a little carving
on it as well. I've got three D scan of
it as well, and I was like, WHOA, I couldn't
quite believe. So, you know, it was JJ's kind of
intuition that kind of got us to the right spot
where we kind of found it. And so we were

(01:14:38):
the first people to discover a tea pillar at Yandla hooyak.
So keep that in mind because this is going to
be massive. A yelloo hooyak.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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with my guest today, Hugh Newman, coming to us from London,
describing his recent discoveries in Turkey. Will rejoin you shortly.

(01:15:52):
My guest today is Hugh Newman coming to us from London, England.
He has been doing some groundbreaking work and discovery in
Turkey and we're hearing exactly what he has found. And
the images that he has taken are available on YouTube.
Go to Earth Ancients on YouTube. For those of you
who are not familiar with YouTube, you can go to

(01:16:13):
Facebook and I'll have a small gallery of many of
these unusual and groundbreaking photographs. What's going on in this area, Hugh?
Is this a big post ice age push? Who are

(01:16:33):
these people? What do we I mean, it's still very
very uncertain as to who are these people, where do
they get their data from? Are they ex Atlantinians? Are
they ex ancient site people that we just don't know about.
What's the story on this?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
That's a good question, I mean, I think there's a
bunch of influences coming in from the directions. Okay, this
has been talked about by academics now JJ and Andrew
both being on it as well, coming in from the
Russian steps, coming down from the Caucasus. There's a big
influence there. You got from further south and Lord of Levante,

(01:17:16):
you've got the Toothians, who were very advanced. They were
building structures, they were doing early you know, attempts at
farming and even using geometry in some of their designs.
They all came up from the south. There's very good
evidence cycled check mac Tepe possibly a couple of others

(01:17:38):
of Thetuthian ideas being present there. So there's definitely in
the Toothian influence. Now, these are the Touthians were a
lot smarter than you think. And I think that there's
a misconception when it generally comes to hunter gatherers. I mean,
people just assume hunter gatherers are kind of savage types
literally hunting and gathering. But there's a whole different thing.

(01:18:00):
Since I've been doing my research on the Solstices, go
further and further back in time, you know, going about
forty thousand years the hunter gatherers to me, was smart
as hell. There's the same brain capacity as us. They
didn't have all the kind of problems we have to
deal with in society now, and they just had time
to dwell on things and research things and kind of

(01:18:21):
feel into things. And I think they were studying the
stars to a high degree. But they were also developing
symbolism and language and other ideas that we don't really see,
but if you dig into it you can find things there.
So I think the kind of gatherers, and I think
when different groups came together, there was explosions of ideas,

(01:18:41):
and I think explosions of taking lots of magic mushrooms
and psychedelics and brewing beer and things like this. So
they were going in as altered states as well, you know,
bringing different plant medicines to one another and expanding their consciousness.
So I think there's a development which may have been slight,
but it may have had bursts of ideas. So you

(01:19:02):
also have people coming in from the west as well
as well as the two fings from the south of
the influence from the Russian steps coming in from the west.
You have the sites like I mentioned earlier, Geekaya cave
where there's clearly evidence of like fertility ritual going on.
And also from the west you've got the whole Paleolithic
people as well from the caves there, and so I

(01:19:25):
think there's so many it was like a whole admixedgure.
And this was right at the end of the last
I says, at the end of the younger driyat exactly
where the weather just started improving. Within a few generations
of that, they were building Go Beckley Tepe and so.
But must remember there were sites some of these sites
like check mac Tape, some of the other testablear sites
were earlier built before Go Beckley Tepe. So they were

(01:19:48):
already in this area doing things and developing it. So
I think there's there's a different way to look at
it now because so there's for a long time people
have been saying, no, it's just like a massive explosion
people came from Atlantis, and then other people say it
was a gradual build up. But I think there's a

(01:20:09):
bit of both. I think there's like different groups coming
in explosions of ideas. But they were a hunter gatherers,
you know as well, But they were very more ever,
much more sophisticated than people realized. I mean, when I
spoke recently at the guy at Ancient Civilizations conference, when
I mentioned I think hunter gatherers are smart, people chuckled
in the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
I'm like, this is this is this is the problem because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
They think that's the most rudimentary form of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Yeah, but I think it's because it's probably I've done
all this research on them, so I know, I mean,
I'm getting into their mindset where most people haven't. Most
people haven't. They just think they're sanvwiches, but they're not.
This is this is, this is where people get locked
in different you know, they get stuck in their research.
I think it's open your mind to the fact that
these these these people in prehistoric times were just like us,

(01:20:54):
you know, that they were as advanced as us in
the mind.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Well, I think is an interesting fact. And I've only
been there once. You're there twice a year. You've been there, like,
I don't know, for five six years. They haven't found
a burial or a tomb or a complete skeleton, which
I find given all these new sites, kind of peculiar.
And yeah, you know, and I don't know if it's

(01:21:21):
because of the weather conditions that the bones just do
not last or whatever. What's the story on that, because
that would help us a little bit if we could
do some testing on bones and see the skeletal capacity
of the brain and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
They've just thought they've actually just got into that recently, Saybach,
Like I say, this is just a very you know,
it's just a few bones and skulls thrown into like
a bit they would burying underneath the kind of domestic areas.
Apparently there's been a lot about seven or eight burials
found at human remains found at Combectli Teppite, but there's

(01:21:58):
no elaborate aerials or like you know, graves created as
such a very limited amount. That happened more in the
levant where you have the kind of plaster you know,
and like paint ochre and things like that put on
the skeletons. You get that up near the Tigris River
to the northwest, sorry, the northeast, up on the Tigris

(01:22:20):
area that sites like cortic Tape and Bonchop Glutala, but
not so much in the Testeplar region. No, but they've
just found that, say Birch, this is actually from a
year or a year and a half ago. This fhot,
but they've found this cachet of bones and skulls in
one area in the new excavation at say Birch, so
that's going to be a now soon. At Cheyanu, another

(01:22:41):
site further north which has been known about for years,
we visited there as well. They found this whole discovery
of this red ochre floor that goes back to nineteen thousand,
six hundred years ago. They found cachets of bones, they
found what's called the Skull building there. They've got hundreds
of skeletons and skulls that were decapitated and placed into
the like in a certain manner, in a very peculiar way.

(01:23:02):
And so there is there is a few little spots
of that, but no elaborate burials have been found, and
very few human remains, but they have found some and
they're now starting doing the testing on them. So this
is where the real data is going to come from.
That fantastic. Yeah, that's great news.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because all the information that
they're discovering and excavations, there's no kings or queens or
leaders or burial of a well known individual from any
of that area. It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Yeah, it just doesn't seem to be unless it's just
not been dug up yet. I mean, there might be
a whole kind of one of the sites might just
be a burial site. Who knows. We just don't know,
you know, so we've got to wait and see. It's
all like, it's an exciting time. This is like the
time of discovery. This is like, you know, this is it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
We're in it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
It's not like, you know, when the Egypt was being discovered,
when Myan Pyramids are being discovered, you know, it would
have been.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Amazing to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
But this is happening now, you know, this is it,
And so we've got a real opportunity, as you know,
individuals and researchers and enthusiastic get out there and kind
of appreciate it as it's happening. So although there's a
lot of pushback between alternative people and archaeologists, at the
end of the day, we've just got to celebrate what's
being discovered, and you know, it's all coming out, so

(01:24:20):
let's just enjoy the process.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I think conventional or orthodox archaeology still has a problem
with the dates that are coming back on this and
although it's verified, we have real science going on, we
have real archaeology, we have real excavations. I would say
a lot of people just can't grasp it, that just

(01:24:43):
doesn't feel like they can hold on to it. What
do you say to that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot that there's a
lot to say about the whole kind of situation. I
think one of the things I like, I mean is
that you can go you can go there and visit
these sites when they're excavating least they cover them up
in the winter pretty much, so you can actually go
there and actually see it happening. And then sometimes, you know,
if you get on the right side of the archaeologists

(01:25:07):
that come and talk to you and explain what they
found and things like this. So there's a there's a
lot of good happening, you know, and you know with
the what the archaeologists are doing, but there's also you know,
there's a lot of debate as to how they're doing it.
I mean, why are they reconstructing enclosure sea, Why aren't
they excavating more? Why are they kind of releasing these

(01:25:28):
new discoveries to the public quicker? You know, there's debates
about that. At the end of the day, you know,
we've got to just you know, there's nothing new or
you can do. We've just got to hope, you know,
hope they're going to release everything and keep excavating. But
the pace they're going at Saber, it's the pace they're
going at these other sites like Cephia, Tepe Hrbet Zuvan

(01:25:49):
and you know Carahan, Tappey especially, they're they ain't messing about,
They're getting on with it and that they're not going
to stop. In fact, the roof they're planning at carahand
Tepe Bay is actually quite interesting because it's not just
a fixed roof like you have have a quebecley Tepe.
They're actually going to be it's actually kind of adaptable,

(01:26:12):
so you can extend it up the hill in different
directions so they can keep excavating, and then they can
extend the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
They can't keep excavating and the area that's going to
be on exhibit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Oh no, no, no, they'll keep excavating.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
But the thing is if they expand the space they're doing,
they can then add a roof section to that bit
so they can preserve it as well. So there's no
limit there, whereas Kabeley's got a limit there's any roofs
in certain places. So you know they might have put
a whole new roof up there at some point as well.
I mean, you know, so let's let's wait and see.

(01:26:45):
But there's one other, one other discovery I want to
mention at Carahan Tappe because I just realized we didn't
mention this is this was discovered. This is a stone
of quite a large stone bowl carved as solid stone,
looks like bassel, that had another bowl within it, and
underneath it was a stone plate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
And within the small bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Were two what looked like stone, two or three what
look like stone donuts, like circular stones, different types of
stone with the hole carved out in the middle. They're
not donuts. And then there's three animal carvings like you've
got like a what looks like a leopard, You've got
like a vulture, and you've got some other strange creature.
I can't remember the name of it. And these were
found going into the holes. Yeah, and so because you know,

(01:27:32):
if those that can see this, this is the imagery here,
and you've got another view of it there, and you've
got sceptors as well stone septs.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
That's probably like two two and two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Other little fetishes, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
And so this is like a ritualistic offering. But this
is the holes really interesting me because that is like
the portholestones where you have these alignments coming through and
so you've got certain animals going through there which were
probably symbolic of certain you know, processes of initiation and
things like that. With the personal that you know, you'd
be like as a sham and you become the animal,

(01:28:04):
you go through the whole good. Yeah, statistic tools, yeah, yes,
So there's a lot of this is now being discovered.
They haven't said where this was actually found in cararahanter based.
It could be relevant once we know, but this is
just one of the discoveries that came out just a
few months ago. This is actually on display temporarily at
the it's in Anchora. It's actually in the sort of

(01:28:25):
palace buildings in Anchora and the President there's actually a
sort of display of test temple of stuff there. So
some of them, you know, it's not in the Anchora Museum,
it's not the it's in another building.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
So we weren't able to go there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
We couldn't see it for ourselves unfortunately, but if anyone
does go there, get some photos and some film clips.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And send it to you. I need it from my book.
I want to ask you as we're concluding you, you know,
we talk about John Burke and the tolluric energy feels
like the Mayan temples and Egypt and stuff like that.
Have you noticed or have you spoken to any of
the locals who can feel any significant tolluric energy in

(01:29:07):
any of these sites.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yeah, I mean there's a I think there's actual There
was some actual research done as well. I mean the
back in the two thousands, Paolo Derbertolis of Trees University,
he did some analysis of enclosed to the it Beckley
Tepe and actually found a magnetic anomaly within it, which
I thought was kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
And I kind of I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Probably mentioned that in my little book as well about
you know, it's going to be a big thing about
it in my upcoming And he actually found like a
spirally magnetic anomaly within it. But he was also found
very sophisticated acoustics in there as well, So clearly they
were building upon sites or areas which had a natural
kind of toleric enhancement.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Like John Burke.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I'm actually going to be writing a about him, because
as you me and you are both big fans of
the late brilliant John Burke and the Seed and all
this tone of Plenty book, which I think is revelatory book,
and I think that's going to, you know, if that
can be applied to this area, which it looks like
it can now, especially when we consider that agriculture was
developed within two hundred years of Quebectuvee be and built

(01:30:20):
where they do. They come up with some way of
enhancing their seeds and grains to like grow the food
or something like this. So we have to be able
to question that kind of thing. But I think you
know you can't. Yeah, you can't really go inside these
structures anymore, you know, very few.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I mean you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
We were lucky we've got in size say birch. But
you're so excited because it's like, you know, it's an
opportunity of a lifetime. I don't really think to get
your dowsing rods out and start meditating kind of like
you know, you're trying to like kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Just you're going to be showed away with guns.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
But if anyone does go there, if anyone's got any
you know, their own experiences, that I'd be I'm very
interested in direct experience that people have at these sites,
especially in the test Templar region, because I would be intrigued,
you know. But I find there's something about Cara hand
Teppe that gets me. I don't know what it is.
It just I feel like I've been there before. That's

(01:31:13):
what it feels like, you know. That's the weird kind
of reincarnation kind of feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
I get with it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
It's something about that place for me. You know, other
people have it with different sites obviously, and especially when
me and JJ when we first discovered that winter solstice thing,
it was all like the synchronicityes led to that point.
That all fell into place over a few months and
then peaked a few days before it for us to

(01:31:39):
discover that. And if you know, we just think if
we hadn't discovered that, hadn't followed the synchronicities, we would
never have discovered that. So that kind of thing I
take notice of, you know, you or.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Your book with that. We were thinking, we were having
coffee and all of a sudden we must got to
Cara hand Teppy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Well, you know, but we were getting messages from people
in Turkey who are who were saying, oh, by the way,
you have to go before this date because it were
closed in they're going to cover it up, and say, oh,
go shit, we better get our tickets books. So and
then we got delayed and we couldn't get to the site,
and then then we were forced it with The only
time we go was first thing in the morning because

(01:32:16):
officials were coming in that day to close it up
for the winter. So we had to go first thing
in the morning because they were going to come in
at nine am or something. And that's why we were
forced to go at sunrise. We weren't even know there
would be a winter Solstice thing there, but then we
a really good one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Turned up less we were quite clicked.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
So you've got you know, when that kind of thing happens,
like you haven't synchronouses, you're having kind of you know,
you kind of go with you realize there's something significant
taking place. And so I get that at some sites,
you know, some weird dark stuff at other sites, you know,
and I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Didn't know you were into the paranormal. This is all new.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
This should be Yeah, I've got a calling to it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yeah, you could say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
No, no, no, I mean I'm serious. I mean because you're
you're speaking about interwort of infant nation. Uh, you know,
casual discussions that turn out to be major discoveries and
so forth. So that's great. Yeah, Hey, as we conclude,
what why should we be interested? Why should we care
about these tepees? Why why should we even you know bother?

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Well? This is this is it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Well, the thing is right, you got you've got Stonehenge,
You've got the Pyramids, you got the Pyramids of Mexican.
None of them are that old. Seriously, none of them
are very old. I mean Stonehenge is what five thousand
years old? Pyramids of Mexico the oldest is three thousand
years old, maybe two thousand years old. So this is
twelve thousand years old to eleven thousand years old. This

(01:33:43):
is a whole different time frame. And the sophistication is
equal or more advanced than all these other cultures that
came five to eight thousand years later. So, and we're
not just talking one site, you know, we're talking multiple
They're talking about forty plus sites now in that region.
Each of those has multiple stone circles and these enclosures,

(01:34:06):
these alignments, thousands of statues, artifacts, it's and it just
doesn't quit, you know. It's like, you know, we thought
it was going to quit after you know, Beckley Tepe,
but they found a whole civilization there. And so this
and the fact that it was buried, there's civilizations and
cultures and armies and people have passed through that area

(01:34:29):
for the last nine thousands of plus years and didn't
even know it was there. So it's been completely written
out of all the history books, all the traditions, all
the cultures, and so it's like this whole fresh discovery
of something that's just been it's the lost civilization. Everyone's
talking about this is it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Well, you actually feel there's a last civilization.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
It literally was lost, it was buried, no one knew
it was there, and so this is what's so compelling
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And as we had a bi that was buried, entombed
with a little bit of data, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Yeah, well I think that's that's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
I think the DNA stuff's going to come out an
anytime soon, hopefully sooner the better. But obviously with human
remains is the whole process they have to go through
and everything else, but they you know, but I think,
you know, people, we've got to understand this was buried.
This was forgotten about for like ten nine to ten
thousand years. So this is when me and Jaja had
that revelatory moment the Karahan Tepe seeing this winter solstice,

(01:35:30):
the first people to see it in like nine thousand
years or more. It blew our minds because we dawned
on us days later. My god, you know what if
we hadn't seen that, You know, what if they then
built over it with a roof or something, you know,
and it'd never been discovered. So what else is there
that hasn't been discovered yet? It hasn't even been dug up.
If we have, we're we're finding stuff. At the first

(01:35:51):
excavation was done, we found something significant. So the list
goes on all these sites that could be major, major
things taking place. Then we have to look at like
I think I've got to give Graham Hancock a bit
of He wrote this fantastic article about the story of Gilgamesh,
you know, the whole Sumerian thing and everything else, and
about that Seyburg say Birch being a representation you know,

(01:36:14):
literally of that, you know, the whole kind of narrative
scene that they discovered there was actually part of this
Gilgamesh story, and so he's now piecing together it's Mesopotamian connection.
And so all these cultures like Egypt, Stonehenge, Sumerians now
we can see. Now we're starting to see who they

(01:36:36):
got influenced by. We're started to see the influences like
but the geometries from my research, the astronomy, the Gilgamesh myths,
JJ's research on the symbolism and the Golden Gate of
the ecliptic and everything else. So so we started to
piece together a whole missing chapter of human history thanks
to these discoveries in Southeast Turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Fantastic. I want to thank you for this presentation. For
those of you listening, we'll have this available on YouTube.
I'm gonna twist Hugh's arm and get a few photographs
for our Facebook page as well. Obviously we can't have
the same number on our Facebook page that we have

(01:37:19):
on the YouTube channel, but really cutting edge, Hugh's got
the latest and the greatest. So thanks to you, I
really appreciate it. Give us your contact information. We know
about origins. We've got the link to that, but give
us your own personal dating. What's your website, what's the
other Facebook links and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Yeah, well, just like you just searched h Newman, they're
going to find me that. This is a little book
I published with Wooden Books. It's now out in America.
Expanded updated version that's going to be that's available now
and Megalithomania dot co dot UK is the website.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
I'm also I'm speaking at another conference in America, the
Quest for Ancient Civilizations, because I think all the latest data.
That's the fifth of the seventh of December in Scottsdale, Arizona.
People can just search for that. Organized by Robert the
coocha of world Views Media and David Childress.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Amazing bunch of speakers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
There and yeah, and people can kind of check out
basically just check out our website. We've got we obviously
we go back to Turkey quite frequently. You know, we
take groups out there and things like that, so people
can kind of if they want to, they can join us.
I know, you go out there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Yeah, you average work three to four tours a year, right, Yeah,
we do a few. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we do other other areas
where the Malta. The Malta connection now with test Table
is emerging, is coming out even the island as well.
We're do an island, but we do. We're doing a
few others. We're heading out to Peru and the places Cambodia,
just because it's delightful and obviously, you know, we encourage people,
you know, to just check out the website, go and

(01:39:09):
do your own exploring. You know, you don't have to
come with us on the tours if you don't want
to do that kind of thing, but we are, we
are super passionate. We really want to, especially when it
comes to Turkey. We want to show people what's going
on there because you can go there, you can go yourself,
and you're going to miss loads of things if you
don't know what you're looking. It's all very intricate. So
we do encourage people to check all that out. There's

(01:39:30):
there's a whole world to explore. Fantastic. Hugh is always
a real lesson on what's going on. And I appreciate
your time and continue success.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Thanks Cliff, it's been great talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
The photography that he presents on this presentation are just
cutting the edge outstanding. I mean, within a few months
ago he's taken photographs of some of the new excavations,
some of the new items statuary, and it continues to
be fairly insightful because we don't hear enough in the

(01:40:13):
news about the excavations at any of these sites. We
I mean, if it wasn't for Hugh and Andrew and
Delma and occasionally Mohammed Amberheim reporting on Turkey, we wouldn't
know anything about it. The general consensus isn't you know,

(01:40:34):
seeing is not going to pick up information unless it's
like groundbreaking, Like there's a number of figure statues that
I think are outstanding, but they don't typically report on it.
It has to be something fairly dramatic now because it's
like go Beckley Tippy's Old News, even though it's the
oldest temple in the world at nine thousand, five hundred

(01:40:55):
BC going further back. So to see these images, go
to Earth Ancients Facebook page. I'm going to have it
on the public or the private. So if you can't
get in the private, I encourage you to sign up
for the private Facebook page because we publish a lot

(01:41:16):
of unusual photos on that and we don't let everybody
check it out. We'll also have the public site, which
is nice. We'll have a few photographs on Instagram, and
then the rest of it is Hugh presenting it on YouTube.
So go to YouTube and punching Earth Ancients and look
for Hugh. You knew and so go. Always good to

(01:41:38):
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(01:43:06):
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