Matt LaCroix: The Epic of Humanity

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Oh boy, here we go again, another one for the books. Hey,
how are you? You know it'sfunny. I have talked about this
for years that our history is educatedguests for the most part, and especially
when you start getting into civilizations thatare a thousand years or older, we

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don't know how many of these earlypeople formed. We're talking Sumerians, we're
talking pre dynastic Egyptians. We we'retalking the Maya, the China, Chinese,
and so forth and so on.A lot of these guys just appeared
on the scene completely formed. That'sa huge problem for a lot of archaeologists,

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Egyptologists, minus whatever you want tofocus on. And it's a challenge
because there's no writing, you know, and we're just beginning to get a
sense of these cuneiforms, these claytablets that go back thousands of years,
most notably the Sumerians, and they'redescriptions of earlier civilizations that because our current

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crop of archaeologists and scientists are notallowed or educated to go further than noted
and well documented kings and individuals,including civilizations, they don't accept it.
They don't accept the kings lists thatgo back ten twenty there's even evidence in

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some of the Egyptian lists that areclose to fifty thousand years in the past,
and that's just too much. Andthis is what's so frustrating about academia
and our current history. They needto see hard evidence well on Earth ancients.

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We do our best to provide asmuch hard evidence as possible and research
and we got it today with myreturning guest Matt Lacroix, who is going
to drill down into what he hasdiscovered and continues to uncover in Turkey.

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And I have only been to Istanbula couple of times, which isn't really
getting out in the backcountry like goBeckley Tepe, places like darren Kuru,
Cappadocia. These are hundreds and acouple of places are close to eight hundred
one thousand miles excuse me, nota thousand, close to eight hundred miles

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from Istanbul, and this is wherethe real research and excavations are going on.
Now. We all know about goBeckley Tepee, which was dated to
what nine five hundred BC, roughlytwelve thousand plus years ago. It was

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established and then oddly it was coveredup, it was buried for some reason.
It was protected. Now there's anothersite that's a few miles from go
Beckley Teppey called Carahan Teppi. Andwhen we had Hugh Newman and JJ Ainsworth
on the program, who have beenthere a few times, we're getting in

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a sense that there's still a greatdeal of guesswork. And when Schmidt,
the archaeologist who discovered and excavated goBeckley teppe first revealed the carbon daty,
he basically tipped the worldline and seehere, because it was so far it
was so far back, so ancient, that it was hard for the academic

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world to adapt. Now. Istill think there's a lot of people that
are questioning these dates and are veryuncomfortable with going that far back. But
in our program today, Matt isintroducing a new book that he co wrote
with Billy Carson called The Epic ofHumanity. And in that book, he

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goes back. According to the cuteiforms, these clay tablets that are written on
he goes back two hundred thousand years. And that's where we begin to,
strangely enough, correlate with people likeMario Bill Reps. Remember he's a mathematician

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that goes back. I think hegoes back actually more than two hundred thousand
years. And then we got ourown doctor Mark Carlotto, who, through
the use of alignments of temples,pyramids, and ancient buildings, he goes
back I think pretty close to acouple hundred thousand years. Now, these

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are insane dates. I am collegeeducated, many of you are college educated.
I studied some anthropology classes. Butyou know, whenever we get Jin
day On here, That's why Ilove Jin. She's an archaeologist. She
becomes quiet and subdude when she startshearing dates that are one hundred thousand to

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two hundred thousand years in the past, four sophisticated buildings. How do you
get over this, Well, youhave to get over it through hard evidence.
And I haven't announced to make justthe last couple of days. Jindo,
our own archaeologist here at Earth Agients, has agreed to join Matt Lacroix

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and his team to go to Turkeyto study these artifacts and through testing and
data analysis, work to get somedates for these new ruins that are coming
to light. So when I hearthat our own Gendeo going to Turkey and

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working with Matt, and I reallyadmire Matt and appreciate him. He's got
the energy that I had at hisage to head out and start uncovering more
evidence of this early civilization that he'sall excited about. So our program today

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is the Epic of Humanity, andmy guest is Matt Lacroix, and we're
gonna go for a couple of hourstoday because we're gonna talk about not only
where we left off when he wason the panel with Doctor, with Reverend
Jim Willis and Jendo and myself.We're gonna drill down deep to that,

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and then we're gonna talk about thisbook that just came out. I mean
it just came out, what isit, a couple of weeks ago,
So the Epic of Humanity And bythe way, you can now get it
on Amazon, so check it outand see what you think. So this
is what we're doing today. We'regonna do a deep dive on Turkey.

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right, we've got a great showtoday. As always, we have interesting
topics, and I've invited Matt Lacrueback to the program. Not only does
Matt have a new book out calledThe Epic of Humanity. It's co written
by Billy Carson, but I wantedMatt to come back to give us the

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kind of a deep dive on what'sgoing on in Turkey. I have not
been to Turkey. We're doing ourfirst Tour Earth Ancient Tour in August of
this year, and I'm looking.I mean, I've been to Istanbul,
but Istanbul is very modern and Ididn't get a chance to go to go
back to the Tapy and so forthand so on. But I have invited
Matt back for a number of reasons. He's an exciting guy. He's passionate

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like I am, about the ancientpast, and he is taking Orthodoxy and
moving it beyond what we understand aboutancient our ancient history, and giving us
a possible scenario for really exciting discoveries. So, Hey, Matt, welcome

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back to Earth the Ancient. It'sgreat to see you. Hey, Cliff,
it's great to see you again.I feel like this is like part
two, because we just had thatother one we did, but truly,
it's an amazing way to come outof that show and then discuss even what
came out of that and these newdiscoveries that you brought up. So thanks
for having back on. Yeah,the panel was fun. I had a
lot of good positive comments. It'sfun to have more than one person on

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a panel. But as we discussedbefore we started, the time issues are
much tighter, So you know,before we start, Matt, I want
to get a little information about you. I mean I haven't had you on
by yourself for lee four years now, if not longer. Yeah, why
are you passionate about the past?What? What is it? I mean,

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it's it like, oh, it'scool to look at new discoveries and
you're in Turkey, and Turkey's inancient place and there's not enough feet on
the ground that are looking at stuff. But what is it for you?
Yeah? Who cares? Man?I mean, why why should we care?
Well, the funny thing about youasking that is that a lot of

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my life I was interested in thein the idea of lost civilizations, and
I was fascinated by that concept.But I wasn't like a history nerd.
You know, you didn't walk upto me in the playground when I was
like twelve and be like Matt wasthe date on like when you know,
like Cortes conquered the astec Like Iwasn't bad, Like that wasn't me.
I was like looking for crystals androcks and I was, you know,

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wonder. I was in awe andwonder of the stars above me and all
the kids. Everyone's like walking arounddoing their thing, and I was just
out out there staring around like andpeople. It felt very odd to me
that I felt very different than everyoneelse. I knew it very much.
Felt more like in my friend thatI grew up with, Ryan would attest

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to this, It's like it's likeyou don't know anything about being here.
It's kind of weird. It wasan odd thing. It felt like more
like I was some kind of atourist and I'm like I'm wide eyed and
I'm looking at everything, and I'mlike out nature and I'm like blown away,
and everybody else is sort of likeokay, And that's was my life
though. That was my life froma very young age. It's just being

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completely unorthodox to everyone else. Iwas like a complete nerd. I didn't
have a lot of friends. Iwas usually spending most of the time out
in nature looking for rocks and crystalsand gold and all kinds of things,
and I still do that now.I'm never like. In fact, there's
not that much difference between my passionsfrom when I was young, except one,
not big one is that I've literallythe embodiment of who I am and

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my mission here. Literally, Ifeel like it is connecting the ancient narrative
of our lost civilizations and the originsof who we are in our consciousness,
these mysteries, these greater mysteries thatencompass the totality of our existence here in
this reality. And that became farmore than just an interest in something that

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I was passionate about, but becamesomething that I realized was more of a
voice inside me. It was moreof like a fire that was burning,
that was something that I had todo, and there was nothing else that
I really could do. It waslike that voice and that calling just became
stronger and stronger as I got alittle older and into a different phases of

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my life. And now it's tothe point where I have to try to
go out of my way. Andmy wife will admit this to try to
do other normal things in life becauseI am so focused and obsessed with uncovering
these ancient mysteries. Yeah, weshould also let our listeners know that congratulations,
you've just got married. I gotmarried back in but but I mean

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within the last twelve months. Butcome on, it's been it's been great.
She's an amazing woman. She's sobeautiful. I feel very lucky to
have such a supportive, smart,just an incredible woman that is already driven
to want to explore the greater questionsof things. Anyway, and that's really
part of what you want to sharethat path with. Yeah, that's that's
a perfect partner. You said somethingjust now that I can relate to,

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which is that I came back,I incarnated. I wanted to show people,
tell people, reveal the people thatwe are part of a much older
culture. Yeah. Do you havea sense of lifetimes in an earlier period,

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perhaps not acknowledging them in dreams orwhatever, but just because for me,
at a very very young age,I was like being kicked out of
Sunday School because I'm like questioning theBible. Say, who's Jesus Christ?
Did he get out of here?Right? Get out? Of that exact
same thing happened to me too.It's crazy, you know, Kenny.

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You say that because I was inSunday School and I also got kicked out,
So it's funny that we walked asimilar path in that way, Cliff,
But you're right. The way todescribe it is this, as I've
been uncovering and connecting this narrative offrom the Canaean form tablets and the Sumerians,
Acadians, Babylonians, Assyrians up throughancient stories around the world, whether

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it's Vedic texts or ancient Aztec texts, it came it came more in line
with this understanding that there was somethingthat need to be brought together. There
was an understanding there was a therewas a story, a thread that had
gone around the world that had beenlost, that had been fragmented into pieces
over time from catastrophes and conquerors andvarious other means that have come along and

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just time itself. And for me, something spoke to me as being like
an ancient like an ancient librarian orsage or something like that. Because and
I say that not in a wayto sound cool at all. I don't.
It's more of this fire within meof to literally dedicate every single thing

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I have to these mysteries and protectingthese ancient texts and the knowledge that's within
them, and where that comes from. It's the only thing that makes sense
to me is it has to comefrom some previous life that that was literally
what I did. And thus Iguess, like you said, maybe we
come back for different reasons. Wehave many different lifetimes. We all have
a great tapestry we play in thisgrand scheme of reality. But what if

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some of those lifetimes we had avery pivotal role at one point, and
then we come back to almost replaythat role again in another life. And
I very much feel like that maybe why I'm doing this and why maybe
some of these secrets are are connectingand becoming known in a way where it
almost seems more familiar than anything else. It's like remembering rather than learning for

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the first time, yeah, orbringing it back as quickly as possible.
One of the interesting things that hasbeen an issue for people is well known
as Graham Hancock and the hundreds ofpeople that we have on the program each
week or every year, I shouldsay, is the fact that we are

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dealing with an orthodoxy that doesn't recognizeearlier sophisticated cultures Atlantis, Limoria, you
can name it, the people whowho perhaps had technology that is more earth
centered. And I'm dealing with thisright now in my writings with the Maya,
the earlier Maya who did have anearth based, geomagnetic, tuloric filled

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society built around a science that we'rejust discovering right now. This is a
huge problem. And what you're doingis great because you're revealing through your writing,
through your research, through your travel, uh, that there are earlier
civilizations. Why do we need tolook at these people with a fine tooth

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comb? Why? Why? Whyshould we care? I mean because I'm
curious. I just it's kind ofa secondary question to you, but it's
important because why Well, the firstthing to the way to answer that question
is the state is to first pointout that this view we've have our of
our past in a linear way ofslowly progressing from like stone tools and you

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know, beating each other over thehead with like the whole flintstone idea,
that concept that is like kind ofsilly, but the idea that that started
there, and then we've slowly gottensmarter and figured things out over time.
Is this model that is portrayed tous and nearly everything that we see.
And then so when people look backand they're like, what do I care
about history with some primitive people thator doing something in the jungle or somewhere

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like, I don't care, Likewhat does that matter? Like there's nothing
I can learn from them. Itcould not be more of the opposite the
truth. It literally could not bemore of the opposite of that statement in
literally every single way. And letme tell you why. The first thing
is that when we look at theancient past, this linear progression from starting

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in a primitive place to getting towhere we are now and thinking where the
pinnacle of knowledge and different aspects likethat, first of all, I think
is very very wrong. I thinkit's very very wrong. And secondly,
when we look at the history ofhow far back our story goes and the
levels of civilizations that have risen andfallen over time, looking at something like
the Yuga cycles out of the HinduYuga cycles, which point out that that's

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literally the nature of the cyclical natureof our existence. Here you find that
our story is far more complex thanwe've been told and instead of being something
where those primitive hunter gatherers were verystupid back twenty thirty thousand years ago,
we're now looking at evidence that isemerging from Turkey in other parts of the
world, but especially like Vaughan thatwe're going to talk about, that is

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showing us that there's an entire chapterof our story that is enormous and mysterious
and mythical and seems to have thisorigin point that we couldn't figure out,
but that the output was that allthese giant civilizations were building temples and pyramids

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and connecting to that, like yousaid, that great word, the energy
of the Earth. Love it thatenergy that flows through the earth that Nikola
Tesla figured out through magnetism, thatenergy. They already had figured that out,
so they embodied in everything they did. And so we look now where
we are with cars driving by everywherein trains and planes flying over our head,

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and were like, look at thepinnacle of all of our achievements.
And yet we can't even usually usuallysay a couple sentences without having some kind
of a slang word or using somegrammar that's inaccurate. We're like, we
don't, We're not that well educatedcomparison comparatively to these poets of our past.
Go if you read something like JohnTaylor's book that I just a good

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an example of this, Like,give me an example I spent. I
just did a podcast on this booktwo days ago. This is from the
eighteen hundreds, from man named JohnTaylor. In reading his words, you
realize that we've lost so much evenfrom the eighteen hundreds, the way they

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speak, the way they see theworld, the way they value interaction and
respect, and the way they valueall those things. That degradation has continued
to the point now where we nolonger value our elders, we no longer
value our past, We no longervalue the things that really matter, like
the Earth, are role in theuniverse, are the totality of reaching balance

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and what all all these things canunlock. But that's why I think it's
so profound to go back to someof these earlier writers and some of these
earlier thinkers to remember what we've lost. And of course if you want to
go back for them, that you'lltruly see it. Go back to read
read the ancient Sumerian tablets like readlike the Auma Elish or octra Hasis or

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Epic of Gilgamesh, the earlier versions, because though they were rewritten in other
in our later cultures. But whatyou find is the most beautiful form in
which they were describing our connection toeverything, our connection to nature and the
source of of like what we thinkof as God, and the totality and
the fabric, this invisible fabric thatexists all around us, that we're almost

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invisible. It's almost invisible to us. Now we no longer look at it,
we no longer care about it,we no longer respect it the way
that we used to. And theancients are trying when we're trying to tell
us all along. If you wantto go back to the very almost ancient
text of all, they say thatif we lose the balance and harmony we
have within ourselves the microcosm of themacrocosm, within the earth and nature and

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within the universe, we literally becomedisconnected from the true sides of who we
are. And that is what thetrue biblical idea of hell is. An
angelic like divine being that starts ata place where it's connected to source.
It finds this way so lost eventuallythat it literally has no connection back to
it our current civilization. Right it'salmost like a whisper in the wind of

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what used to be long ago thatwe've forgotten, that we're almost trying to
listen to, like it's an echo, but we don't really know what it
is, and we're trying to rediscoverit. And that voice from the past
that's kind of flowing on the windthat we hear is getting louder and louder
as the ancient past and these discoveriesare merging. The old world is merging

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with the new world coming together.Right now, we're finding that synergy of
energy. Finally, we're finding thatawakening of consciousness and that flowering that's emerging.
And I truly believe that these discoveriesat Lake Vaughn is that origin point
we've been searching for for thousands ofyears. Yeah, it's funny because you
know, when we had you onthis panel, you were you definitely have

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an affinity for Turkey, but it'sgone beyond just an affinity. It appears
to be that you have found,through others research, a link to the
very very ancient past. Let's talkabout your interest now. I want to
talk about this underwater temple at LakeVaughan. What was the dates they came

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up with on that, wasn't itsomething extreme? Well, first of all,
it was discovered those those temple templewalls in the in the temple foundations
that were left over was discovered underwaterin Lake Vaughn had more than one hundred
feet deep. Okay, but onlyin twenty seventeen. You know, think

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about how right now, if yougo on forms or you're on anything ancient,
go Beckley Teppee and Karrahan Karahan Tepeare sort of everyone's talking about them
because they're shaking things up and they'rechanging our timelines. But those were found
during World War Two. These discoveriesin Lake Vaughan, if people are wondering
why they haven't heard of them orwhy a lot of this seems brand news

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because they are brand new. They'rebrand new discoveries in the scheme of history.
Like if you find a site likefor instance, when they discovered Ayanis
in nineteen eighty nine, they didn'tdiscover the temple. They discover the lower
megalithic walls way down below. Tookthem thirty years to find the temple,
thirty years to get all the wayto the point where they could find that

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Haldy temple with all those ancient symbolsthat we're gonna talk about. So even
if you make a discovery in somelocation, it doesn't mean that you find
the heart of what you're looking forright away, right And what you were
getting to your point about the discoveriesis that I was confirming with conferring with
the megalithic expert of the world,Brian Forster, who's one of the experts
on this film, and he wasI was asking him on like, Brian,

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is this the only underwater megalithic templewall that has megalithic precise blocks anywhere
in the world, because I can'tfind any other ones. He thought about
it for a minute and he's like, I believe that's the only one in
the world as well, which isalready phenomenally fascinating because then you have something
that's in a place that doesn't existanywhere else. But then then beds a

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question, Well, okay, soit's not a primitive wall. I'm not
saying there's no other underwater stuff.We have plenty of stuff off Alexandria in
Egypt and other areas of Greece andso on. But how could you have
cliff a highly sophisticated megalithic temple wallthat was clearly built over one hundred feet
underwater in Lake Vaughan. If ourhistory that we're told with civilizations emerging out

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of Mesopotamia is only six thousand yearsold, it doesn't make any sense if
you have over one hundred feet underwater. It would have had to predate the
lake levels of that lake, right, And that's exactly what they found.
It was fascinating to read. Ifanyone's curious to go read some very interesting
papers, go read about the underwaterdiscoveries in Lake Vaughan and where they discuss

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geologically and climatologically when the lake wouldhave been low enough to be able to
build at that level. And someof the scientists were like throwing out dates
like fifteen thousand years ago because that'swhat the glacial minimum for when that lake
was as low as it was,which literally ties in exactly with the timeframe
of everything we're talking about now withthis new timeline of history and these lost

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civilizations. So who are the peoplewho build I mean, because the photographs
that you present on your website ofthis ruin in Lake Vaughan is beautifully designed.
It's like really, you know,high tech or we don't want to
say machine because we can't tell ifthe stones were cut with a machine or

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not. But nice tools though,like high end, yeah, really high
end. Beautiful bronze age not bronzeage. Yeah, So what is this
suspicion in terms of an age forthat, because we were talking about the
glacial melts into the river, thatcould be pre ice age or maybe at

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the end of the younger dress youjust suggested twelve fifteen thousand in the teens.
Sure older than that. Yeah,I actually think and I'm going to
make a definitive statement here as someonewho studied every megalithic temple and every megalithic
site in the world that I canfind, and every temple site too,
because we have to remember the earlySumerians with Arado and Shirupak, they didn't

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build with megalithic stones. They specificallybuilt with brick for a purpose that they
wanted that time. And it's actuallydescribes in the tablets, and I'll paraphrase
it says they laid bricks in pureplaces and so they had a reason for
that for that. But that alsomakes us so any kind of brick structures
can't really survive unless they're buried undera massive amount of inundation layer of mud,

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which is why ad Srupeks survive.However, in saying that, when
you excavate and go look at thosesites, you don't see the remains of
there's no beautiful temple still like it'sjust all eroded with pottery and fragments of
cuneiform tablets. Right, it's soancient, there's nothing really left in terms
of it. It's megali, it'snature of it, of its temples and

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its structures, they're not really muchleft. So having said that, I
believe that ionis temple with the absolutelystunning recreation they put into it. The
University of Anchora is standbul out there, Vaughan University Professor pasaically phenomenal job.
Thank you from the bottom of myheart. You guys seeing that sight when

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they first discovered it, Cliff,when they first uncovered the Holdy Temple at
Ayanis, it was like it lookslike an apocalypse destroyed it. There's vitrification
marks strewn all over the walls,extreame melting and burning. Things are thrown
all over the place. It lookslike a tsunami and then some kind of
corollass ejection heat event just destroyed thatwhole area, which is why they found

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it such a enormous amount of sediment. But getting back to what you were
saying at the beginning, the discoveriesunder Lake Vaughan with this megalithic temple shows
us that there's a timeline here thatis sterious because if Quebecley Teppe has been
radiocarbon dated further to the west asbeing eleven six hundred years old, it

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begs the question on how old thesetemples could be though, because when we
look at the ancient Sumerian stories,this Christian Noah figure that is from the
original Sumeri, last Sumerian king ofSharrupak known as Untapishtam or Zaya Sudra,
you find that that's where the heartof that entire story came from. And
it's this epic of the last lineof Sumerian kings and priests that were going

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to be destroyed from this event,and they want one of them with his
family was warned and that's where thestory comes from. But that's how that
family got from the Sumerian region overto Vaughan was from literally a catastrophe on
the earth, and it's very true. It's very well documented in at least
four different sets of tablets, theEpic of Gilgamesh, the Haitian Autrejasus,

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the Legend of Itsubar, and thereis even a couple others too that are
kind of obscure that described that thatflood story in almost the exact same way,
with this seed of mankind being seedof mankind being preserved from an ancient
bloodline of the Sumerian king and hisfamilies, three sons and his and they

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they are then the ones that we'refinding these bizarre kings lists coming out of
Lake Vaughan from cliff Okay, That'swhat I mean is like this mythical kind
of Christian story that is like,of course, I think there's a lot
of it that's not accurate in thedating and all those things, but there's
this origin point back to the originalSumerian versions and all these Babylonian versions.

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And then what you find is thatmakes this so like mind blowing is that
there's a site at around Lake Vaughan, at the southern end of the lake
called Cavistepe, and at that sitethere's a megalithic wall that's surrounded by the
more primitive Urartian work. And inthat wall it has a translation cliff okay,
And in that translation it says,and I'm gonna paraphrase because I don't

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have it right in front of me, but it says something like I King
Hike and Haldy built this great templeand this civilization and all these things.
And you see that, and youlook up King Hike in Wikipedia. You
don't even need to go in deepd deep, it's anywhere. It's very
obvious. You find that. Itsays right in there that he literally was

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a direct descendant of Japeth, whois a directed was one of the three
sons of Noah. The last Sumerianversion of this Untapischtam. It's like the
whole story came full circle. Thewhole thing became a reality, from like
the myth and legend side to thearchaeological evidence driven side the whole the two
things merged and we found these mysteriesthat just got deeper and deeper. That

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was just the beginning. That waslike the tip of the iceberg. For
how deep that mystery truly went.So to answer your question, though,
how old is it? I don'teven think that those disasters that caused that
event that led to them going thereand then building that. I don't even
think that was the last ice AgeYounger Dryas twelve thousand years ago, which
is what I think destroyed Atlantis andall these others. I think it was

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an entire event before that, whichis how they were able to then pass
that Golden Age around the world,which was then destroyed by the Younger Dryis.
But that means that Ianis, Itruly believe is the oldest and most
important temple in the world. AndI think it's it's more than twenty thousand
years old. Yeah, I was. I was waiting for you to throw

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that at me. Uh. It'sinteresting how the Sumerians chronicle these guys uh
in their in their writing, intheir their tablets. But you are I
want to continue with this a littlebit. Then we're gonna jump into this
book because it transitions very nice.And don't forget the new addition to the

(35:30):
team too. Yeah, we shouldmention that that Jindeo, who's been on
earth the ancients for years, hasnow joined Matt's team. Uh and uh,
so Jin Jin's a real deal archaeologists. She's done research and done studies
too. Yeah, she's an anthropolitic. Obviously, you have to be with

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origins and you get archaeology. It'syeah, she's gonna be fun to It's
gonna be fun to hear what shehas to say. But you're assembling this
group with the goal of what thegoal is to have expertise from every single
possible area we can so that we'rein when we're in a place that has

(36:12):
megalithic stuff and archaeology, we needto have people that are experts in megalithic
stuff and archaeology. When we're inthe same place that has religious iconography and
ancient symbols that tie back to theorigins of spirituality religion, we need someone
that has deep, deep knowledge inwithin from the church but has not from
within but has come out that hasthe biblical background, but also that spiritual

(36:36):
shamanic understanding, right, and thenwe also have to have people that understand
ancient texts, like me from thedegree of where these names and where all
these stories come from, and wherewe can follow this thread. And so
that ended up emerging into five expertsfrom around the world, myself, Billy
Carson, Brian Forrester, Jennifer doand now Paul Wallace as well, to

(37:00):
make five total to create this likea dream team. And I just want
to I want to go back thoughon what you had mentioned a minute a
second ago about Jennifer Dio. Ifanybody wants to watch that wonderful panel that
we did just recently that is onCliff's channel and is on mine. It
was amazing because I had never metJennifer. Cliff introduced me to her just

(37:22):
Ada Blue in that panel, andyou'll see right in it like during the
process, I'm kind of like smiling, and I'm like, hmmm, because
you can. I've already figured itout very clear that Jennifer was the one.
She was the only archaeologist I evermet who's open minded in that way
to look at evidence that is froman academic and evidence driven place. She's
got a lot of experience, she'svery smart, but she comes to the

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place where she's not going to berigid, just like every other archaeologist.
And so I feel very honored thatJennifer has joined the team and is willing
to help investigate this mystery to trulysee if we can change history. So
that's what it's all about, bringingthese together for a film that's gonna go
not only in Turkey, but we'rewe're working right now to see if we

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can make it happen on another mysteriouscountry in the Middle East that I can't
mention yet. But then we're gonnaWe're gonna include Peru and Bolivia as this
expedition around the world to to followthis mystery and try to see if we
can lead it back to the veryorigins of everything. Mm hmm. So
the goal is to have real soliduh content for this film. But the

(38:30):
secondary result of this research would bethat you would be publishing in papers your
your work. Right, Yeah,let me get Let me explain that for
a minute, because it's important thatpeople understand the scope of this is that
I parted ways. I was workingat Gaya back in November up until November,

(38:51):
and I parted the part of Waysin Gaya with these new Discoveries and
started started my own company, ohmy honest legacy Okay. That became the
entire foundation behind the film, theDiscoveries everything. It was the engine behind
this and all this work, andso I'm doing that full time now with
bringing on a couple people soon,which is incredibly exciting, and we're gonna

(39:14):
be launching this as a media anddiscovery company to then go multiple times,
not even once in so far thisyear, we're scheduled to go to Lake
Vaughan and those sites two times.We're gonna be there for like a month
total. We're gonna be capturing,we're gonna be doing full surveys, no
digging, because we're not gonna breakany laws or rules, but we're gonna

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be doing measuring surveys. We're gonnatake measurements of the stones. We're gonna
be doing everything we can that we'reallowed to do to then go forward and
write a whole book on this goingforward, and Jennifer might actually join me
in that book. We're still talkingabout it. But at least we're going
to be coming at this in themost academic way possible to present these this

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findings with every single avenue of academicand I guess sort of like studying background,
sort of self studied background as well, the academic side sort of coming
together to try to see if wecan prove that this is truly is accurate,
and so far the consensus is that, yes, this is not at

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all what we've been told. Thisis not the Urartian civilization that we're showing
with these sites. It is fromanother completely different epic in history, and
now it's just about going and provingit. We're going to take a short
commercial break to allow our sponsors toidentify themselves, and we will be right

(40:44):
back with my guest today, MattLacroix, discussing his newest book, The
Epic of Humanity. We'll be rightback. You don't want to practition.

(41:28):
My guest today is Matt Lacroix.He is the author of the latest book,
The Epic of Humanity, co writtenwith Billy Carson, and he is
doing some exciting research in Turkey,which is the topic of our discussion today.
I want to ask you about thisbecause when go backly Teppie was first

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revealed to be was it nine fiveBC? And then Carahan Teppee is I
don't know if it's older or not, few thousand years old, the same
thing they're built around. They're prettyclose. Yeah, that was hard for
the community to swallow. It's justthere's still I mean I remember, and
this is not that long ago.The Egyptologist was asked about Go Beckley Teppe

(42:19):
and he was like, what who, what, what is that about?
Which is scary because he knew heknew, I mean he knew. Yeah,
but this is what we're you're dealingwith. You're dealing with a community
that just will not budge on atimeline with sophisticated cultures, and I mean
you're hoping to show them in thesame kind of a context like here's Go

(42:43):
Beckley Teppe, but now we havean even earlier people from Turkey that were
much much more sophisticated. Because oneof my big problems with Go Beckley Teppe
is, although it's great dating,it's very rudimentary. The sculptures are just
the t shape pillars are the onlything that is of an in trust to
me. I mean, I'm anartist, I'm a trained artist and sculptor,

(43:04):
and when I see the sculptures,I'm like, this is very crude.
These guys are like, you know, what do you think about that
compared to like some of the beautifulstuff at Lake Von though, well that's
what I was saying. The stonework and on this under water temple.
It looks like Humapuku or it lookslike very sophisticated egypt temple work. So

(43:25):
it's like and that's the big problemwith with a lot of alternative work,
is that you go way way backand you see extremely sophisticated machine cut stones,
sculptures. We can go spend aday on that, and then there's
a period where it recedes and thenit picks up again. So and this

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is where I think archaeology has aproblem is that they are confused as to
where these timelines. And this ismy big problem is the timelines are screwed
up exactly that and that, andthat can not be more apparent with a
site called kef okay Kef Temple.It's called Kef Klesi, but I don't
use the word klesi because it meansfortress. It's kind of like calling the

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Great Pyramid of Za Kufu's pyramid becausehe had nothing to do with it.
So it's silly. But anyway,when you go to Kef, I've shown
on that and you've seen that giantbox relief that has the winged gods and
all that, just like it's madeof a basalt. It's like some of
the most beautiful work you've every everseen the world. It's amazing, and

(44:28):
the symbols and iconography in that isso fine tuned in the layers of how
they did it, it's beyond comprehension. I'm of the opinion that I'm I
am skeptical that it was even doneby hand. I don't understand how it
was done. I don't know megalithicstone expert has ever been able to explain
to me, especially something like thatthree by three by four foot giant basalt

(44:53):
box relief that is coursed a bigpart of all of this, But how
they could have carved that in literallylike you've seen, it has layers,
that has three different layers that arehave been carved into it with cost within
it. It's like mind blowing.How could they could do that? But
the point I'm trying to make isthe reason I said all that about how
amazing it is is because that's howthe archaeologists found felt when they found it.

(45:19):
When they discovered it, and thatsite was not found during ey honest,
it was like a whole other timeperiod and it became sort of lost
and no one ever heard of itagain. But it was found in nineteen
fifty eight nineteen fifty nine ish thattime period they were in excavating and they
found that giant box relief with fragmentsand other things. And what's really sad,

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and I talked to Jennifer about thistoo, and it's something that we're
reading and talking about for the filmto discuss, is that there was archaeologists
that came in that established the narrativeof Turkey before that, okay, and
then when these archaeologists came in toexcavate, like kef above Adel Savez and
they found that they were amazed byit. They were they wrote pages about

(46:02):
this and about the icons and everything. But what was sad about it was
that they kept talking about the symbolsand how the symbols that have been identified
earlier by the other archaeologists. Itwas like they were trying to mold to
it and it was difficult for them. They would say things like, well,
we've been told that this looks likea lance or a spear, but

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it really looks a lot like thetree of life symbol on here as well.
It's like they're arguing with each other, but in a respectful way where
they're not overstepping there they're like discussinghow well it doesn't really match, but
and they're trying to like make itbend so they'll be like, well,
the lance or the tree of lifeimage, it's like one's a war symbol

(46:45):
and one's a symbol of like balanceand harmony in nature and essention. Like
they literally couldn't be the more oppositesymbols. But what that did is it
created this entire mentality to try toto try to take the entire teachings that
within that and try to weave itinto the Urartian war empire that made primitive
Bronze age tools and all this stuffthat had none of the artistic work.

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The last point I want to make, Cliff, they mentioned how the interesting
thing is that they found nothing culturallyis advanced with artwork or pottery or stonemasonry
anywhere else in the Urartian civilization.And instead of being like, well that's
strange, their answer was, well, I guess they figured it out.

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It's like that was their answer.And I'm not putting down those archaeologists that
said that they're just doing the bestthey can. They're just trying to do
the best they can. It givesus the avenue to come in now and
to try to really lay this inthe way that's evidence and objective driven.
And Jennifer has already looked at thatand agrees with me that we're gonna we're
obviously not gonna go with the Urartianbackground here because it doesn't make any sense

(47:52):
any longer. And just like aroundthe world, Cliff, whether it's the
Inca or of you know, MachuPicchu or Oea Tombo or Saskylaman there or
Tiwanaku and Pumapunku, it's the samething. There's an older story in the
bottom and then a younger story ontop. But you see that in Egypt,
you see that in Mexico, youliterally see it everwhere in the world.

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And that's the timeline that we needto get established so that we can
create this understanding of when things occurredand not lump it all together and get
it all confused like we are rightnow. Yeah, I'm gonna look forward
to hearing from you and of courseJenna, and on what you guys put
together and the outcome obviously the movie, the documentary and whatever books or white

(48:39):
papers that you release. One ofthe things. As a final note,
one of the things that I havecome to realize is that the orthodoxy the
academic community is hindered in so manyways. And I got a wake up
call when I was introduced to doctorEdwin Barney Hard, who's a Mianist who

(49:01):
we we just did a tour withhim in Chiapus, Mexico. He made
a statement that was profound to me, very very clear, very to the
point, which is that we onlyknow and have only excavated about one percent
of the Maya world. We onlyhave thirty known cities, and we know

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there are literally hundreds of thousands ofcommunities from Honduras to Yucatan the jungle like
lost right. And he said that, and he said, how in the
hell can we know so? Andthis is what I try to get across
to the listener is that science science, and these archaeologists are doing guess work.

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This is our history. It's guessing. And to say that we know
conclusively about a culture that is overthree thousand, five thousand years old is
not fair to the reader. Andit's also unfair to alternative researchers like yourself,
like myself, like hundreds of otherpeople that you know. How do

(50:15):
you feel about that going forward,and how do you work with the orthodoxy
that is rigid, unyielding in theirunderstanding of previous early civilization. You know
how, if you've ever been inyour life in many different situations, maybe
you've just been in a situation withpeople you know around you where maybe you

(50:37):
have an idea that is rejected byeveryone else and you feel very isolated,
and it's like, am I sureI'm right about this? Or like how?
And then let's say instead, youlike, maybe you meet a new
friend you're part of that group,and their friends like, guys, listen,
I've been studying this. Like everythinghe's saying is I think it's right.

(50:57):
You really should listen to what he'ssaying. And then a third friend
of that, maybe a group ofsix, right, is like, I
think he's right too, and thenthey like they walk over next to you,
and then before long everyone is like, yeah, I think maybe we
should look at this in a differentway. And but you're like, wait
a minute, you guys just toldme I was like ridiculous and silly six
months ago or whatever it is.I'm just there. This is a hypothetical

(51:19):
analogy, but that concept is basicallyarchaeology that's archaeology. That's that's the whole
and mentality of archaeology. Are theseacademic moguls of their time, these these
heroes that have laid this foundation,and they're well studied, and they're up,
you know, sitting in a stiffroom with a they're all like,

(51:39):
no, like, let that go. That's not that that's not the future
anymore. Archaeology is being done byyoung people around the world that are open
minded and you just want to undercoverthe truth now. And so you have
all these students that are part ofacademic universities that are like amazed by this
stuff. But they're waiting. Everyone'swaiting for that tipping point to have all

(52:00):
those friends walk over to the otherside of the group. And that's what's
happening, I believe right now,and I mean right now. Look at
something like it's a stepping stone thing. Look at something like we Beckley tepping
Krahan pushing that narrative back, finallybeing accepted a little bit. Then you
get things like Braham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypsegetting the mainstream, start getting more understood

(52:22):
and accepted. All the stuff that'sgoing on with the podcasts around the world,
and it's blowing all this stuff up. People like, all right,
let's look at this in a differentlight now. And then, now,
for the first time ever ever,you have in the light of having the
interest of being knowledge and getting atthe truth, and people that have their

(52:42):
hearts in it and they're in puteverything they have in this. You have
actual academics for the first time,archaeologists coming forth. They're like, we
need to look at this again.I don't know if we've been right about
this, sorry, but it's timewe need to look at all of this
again. And then I think it'slike that domino effect. You get a
couple academics, they start agreeing,and then all of it just flows the

(53:05):
other way. And I think weare right at that tipping point right now.
That was my next question is howdo you hope to have the orthodoxy
buy into your your world. Letme tell you how we're gonna do it.
We have a whole plan the film. The film is gonna just be
this this obviously like kind of likethe great It's like the dinner of the

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day, the big big event,right, the big dinner, and where
the film is gonna be taking peoplein expeditions around the world and showing all
these things with expert it's gonna beincredible. But on the all the on
the other sides of that, there'sstill there's a breakfast, there's a lunch,
there's dessert. What I mean bythat is we're gonna be going to
all these sites and we're gonna bedoing surveys. We're gonna be doing all

(53:46):
this professional work that's not even partof the movie where it's like measuring everything,
looking at it from like the supernerdy scientific angle to your following protocol.
Right, We're gonna we're gonna hitthis from every angle, films like
back behind the scenes, measurements andanalysis and papers and books, and so

(54:08):
we're going to be tackling this fromevery side we can to try to bring
the world's attention to what looks likethis great mystery that really whenever someone looks
at this, I've gotten very littlepushback, and I think that's a good
thing. I would love if peoplewould like to come back and challenge this.
But maybe it's one of those things, Cliff, where we've been searching

(54:28):
for some something. Collectively, alot of us have been searching for something,
and it's coming together now to thispoint where it was. It was
an origin of knowledge that has beenfar more important and preserved in secret places
than we ever realize. Cliff,because the cross that is that Ionis and

(54:49):
and a site one of the hardeststones on earth, the first cross that
was lowered there by Haldy. Thisanuna God that's literally identical to end Lil
and Zeus and Greece. You seethis, He's passing the cross and these
doorways of knowledge on how to reachascension and all these things. But that
cross, that specific cross, theexact one, for my honest, just

(55:12):
so happens to Cliff become the exactcross that the Knights Templar were protecting,
and also the cross that then becamethe Vatican. That the number they'll cross
on the Vatican. The Pope whathis cloak that he wears that cross,
and the British Royals have the sameexact cross, from my honest, not
the Christian crucifix cross, but theIonis cross. What it's telling us is

(55:37):
that there's an ancient, ancient storythat's been protected here, that's been preserved
but has been not known about,and if anything, maybe it was lost
at one point and then over time, we're finding it, finding our way
back to it again. But Ibelieve that the secrets that come out of
Ionis and the civilization I'm calling theLost ra As civilization around that whole region

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with Temple and Caavis and others,and the underwater stuff. The secrets that
come out of those incredible artifacts,reliefs, and these these symbols and the
ancient megalists and all the teachings thatit embodies that then travel around the world
everywhere that becomes the core of nearlyevery law civilization. I truly believe that
when we unders when we finally uncoverthe mysteries of that. And I have

(56:22):
very interesting, very powerful people aroundthe world that are interested in this and
are joining forces with me. Butwhen we uncover the mysteries of this,
we will finally uncover the mysteries thathas led us so far away from who
we truly are in our origins ofthe divinity of what mankind actually is.
Very cool. I was waiting foryou to say, now, Elon Musk

(56:42):
just gave us half a billion,and we'll be Elon. But hey,
we're getting there. Let's let's putit that way. No, I'm serious
he's totally into this kind of stuff. He'd be a great sponsor. Yeah,
you know, before we before wetransition into this new book. Uh,
do you have a place where peoplecan send donations and reading. We're
bringing that up. I really appreciatethat for anyone who wants to support the

(57:06):
film, because we're not trying toraise as much money as far the research
alone. It's right now, it'sfour countries. Now. I have not
mentioned one of those countries yet becauseI want to make sure we get that
secure at one hundred percent before Imention it. But one of them is
amazing. Like when I mentioned thatpeople will go wild, so try to
think big. There somewhere that theoutside world hasn't really seen. But when,

(57:28):
when When if people want to supportthis film, because honestly, we're
trying to do this with whatever wecan. We're trying to come from this
from every angle we can, includingcrowds funding, right, and so if
people want to be a part ofthis, there's incentives that you can go
to the stage of Time dot comand go to the documentary page and once
you'll see if you scroll down withall the team members and the information and

(57:51):
the images of locations, you'll seea silver and a gold tier for people
that want to be part of thismovement. It's not even the movie,
it's the movement. The film ispart of a movement. And so if
you give one hundred dollars, youget to have your name on the website.
But if you give five hundred ormore, you get to have your
name the credits of the film atthe end. And that's and that's on
there right now. If you wantto be a part of history. And

(58:14):
a lot of people are coming outof the woodwork people I never imagined.
It's almost turning into like a likelike an Indiana Jones movie. It's very
cool. But I will say Ireally appreciate everyone that believes and supports in
this and if you want to bea part of that film, it just
keeps getting bigger and better, andit gives us more to do more that
we can have to make this intothe most grand and incredible experience possible.

(58:37):
Excellent. So the stage of timedot com and then there's what you scroll
down, there's a donation, Yeah, there's a there's links you can contribute
and plenty of places for that likecheck it out. It's really I really
feel an honor. You'll see allthe names on there, so if anyone
hasn't actually gone to look, I'mvery diligent about putting those in. And
you'll see a lot of people Ibelieve in the and put and it put

(59:00):
their some of their money and timeinto this. Excellent, excellent, all
right. I want to transition intothis new book, The Epic of Humanity.
You co wrote it with Billy Carson. Yeah, and a great cover,
by the way, Thank you,thank you, Billy Carson. And
I I got to tell a littlestory, is that Billy came out to
visit me three and a half yearsago, getting out four now out in

(59:24):
Maine where I nobody really knew meand I was starting out. I was
unknown and I didn't even have theI think I had just published The Stage
of Time or something like that beforethat, relatively recently, and Billy came
out and we were sitting on thisbeautiful ledge that sits over the ocean at
Portland Head Lighthouse. At anyone listeningwho's from Maine or in Hampshire, loveonill

(59:45):
that spot, beautiful spot. We'resitting there on the cliffs and I'm sitting
there with Billy, and we're wewere there to do something for his network.
It wasn't even related to what I'mabout to tell you at all.
We had no plan for that.Sitting there, We're having lunch, and
I'm like, Billy, we shouldwrite a book together. And I said,
we should write a book that's basedon the epic of our entire story,

(01:00:07):
but lay it out with timelines,and would try to give evidence to
lay the whole thing, to createa complex timeline that helps the whole thing
unfold in a way where we cansay, well, we're gonna place like
Shrupak. Here, what's the evidencethat Shrupak actually existed at that time.
So the book is about our storyand our struggles of almost being destroyed from

(01:00:30):
catastrophes and having the ancient stages thentravel around the world and then create those
civilizations with that lost knowledge, whichof course I feel like now derives back
to Lake Vond. But the bookis a lot more than that, Cliff.
The idea was not just about tellingour timeline and not just about telling
our story. It was something alot greater in the purpose. And I

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told Billy, I said, Isaid, you know, I put a
lot of ancient texts in my bookThe Stage of Time, my previous book,
and as I'm talking, you'll havea segment that's got a a segment
of excerpt from that text, andit's very powerful, and I have it
so you can, like, ifyou want to look up, if you
want to look up the outrahasis,you can go find where that is and
all that right, And I realizedthat perhaps that's the most important thing that

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we've lost, is that if youwant to go read the greatest teachings and
the greatest writings that have been leftbehind by mankind, how are you going
to know where to look? Howare you gonna know on this internet full
of all this stuff and all thesemisdirections, like how are you gonna know
what to read? How you goingto know what's important? And not that
we are the ones that are supposedto determine that, but so many other

(01:01:38):
people have already determined that long beforeme, on these amazing pieces of work
that are either the oldest things wehave or are come from this time period,
that all can join together with theseteachings and all these things, and
there's there's an enormous amount of them, whether it's Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian
tablets or or Egyptian texts like theBook the Dead, and others like Pyramid

(01:02:00):
texts to Gnostics texts and even Greektexts like the Timaeis and Critias and so
on. We have many, manyothers. We have Vadic texts and all
those others. But you realize thatperhaps that's the most important thing all along,
is preserving the most important ancient teachingsof all mankind and put them in

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one place. And that is whatwe did with the Ethic of Humanity.
And we're prideful to say, andit did exceed the stage of time a
little bit, but I we're pridefulto say that this has the most amount
of the ancient texts excerpts of anybook in the world. And it'll give
people the opportunity to that wide varietyof different things to then come back and

(01:02:42):
be like, have this totality ofknowledge and understanding that then doesn't just come
from our words and trusting our words, but reading the actual words of the
ancients themselves. Yeah, it's gota lot of a great material. You
know, it's funny you just broughtup Timeline and you feature a timeline of
your own creation that begins approximately twohundred thousand years ago. Yes, and

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you get into the Anonachi and thefact that your belief is that we are
a hybrid civilization, we were actuallyplanted here by a much earlier civilization,
and there's a lot of people thatare beginning to talk about that but non
aliens. Though. I'm not aUFO alien guy, and I'm glad you

(01:03:28):
said that, because that's not Ihave a huge problem with the ancient alien.
I think they've destroyed the whole conceptby basically anything that's not explainable was
ancient alien. I have a verydifferent perspective around that, and I think
that's one of the reasons actually thata lot of powerful people and people interested
in this in a tangible academic wayhave come around me in this because we're

(01:03:51):
looking at this in more of away of I think we haven't understood our
reality in the right way. Theancients have told us, all along with
it's ay gnostics, that this isreally an illusion and that there's so much
more around us, and that perhapswhat we are missing is understanding the multi
dimensional side that exists with us andany beings that are related to us in
a way that perhaps we haven't beenlooking closely enough about what are considered angels

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and demons nearly enough right in theway of which that's been the influence all
along, and not this influence ofa UFO with some green men coming down
to the landing and then creating us. Even though like that whole concept of
that whole concept doesn't make sense becausewhen they show these ascended beings or these

(01:04:35):
beings that are related to us,they look exactly like us. Right,
So at one point we have tostop and be like, hmm, let's
look at this whole like gret aliennarrative, and let's backtrack a little bit
and maybe look back at a differentway to look at this. That's a
little bit more of really, Ifanything, Cliff, it only empowers us

(01:04:56):
in our role in importance in theuniverse in a way that's makes you feel
a lot more a part of somethingrather than being like, well, someone
randomly came here and they just wantedto play around with DNA, and hey,
poof, we came out of nothing. We came out of some like
Neanderthals like apes, and that's it. It's so much more complex than that
it's more of like a grand stagein the universe where we're playing out how

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to exist in a physical body,but we are actually a multi dimensional consciousness
and these like ascended beings. Butwe get come back here and we're part
of this like grand stage of reality, like almost like a movie where we're
almost trying to find our way back. But it's part of this karmic system
where we have to live lifetimes oflearning lessons and finding your way back to

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where we began. It's actually quitebeautiful, it really is. And I
think I think that if anything,we should be going outside and looking up
at the sun and just being likeamazing that we have this existence. Thank
you, And that's really what it'sabout. The book has so many fun
dimensions. I want you to talklittle bit about the clay cuneiforms, which

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are featured in the very beginning.And one of the areas that just as
a complete disconnect for me, andit seems to be for academia, is
these Sumerian kings lists. And wealso see it in Egypt too, and
the academic world uses it to identifyknown pharaohs. Yes, and here it's

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the same thing with the Sumerian weknow about really identical. It's like,
yeah, they're almost the same thing. Which is very interesting too, the
rains the reins of these like bloodlineroyals. But I want you to talk
a little bit about the fact thatthe Sumerians go back tens of thousands of
years, if not further it withsome of these very very early kings,
and there's a disconnect with orthodoxy becauseit's like, well, wait a minute,

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we can't have sophisticated cultures that goback ten fifteen to twenty one hundred
and fifty two hundred thousand years.What's the deal with that. I mean,
well, I accept it, butthey don't. Well, the first
thing is having an anthropologist. Nowwe have to remember, let's look at
other anthropologists like Lloyd Pie They verydistinctly found that the human brain doubled in

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size two hundred thousand years ago.I'm not creating a two thousand year timeline
just because of the Sumerian king list. There's a lot of other factors in
place to create that timeline that iswoven into that. The Sumerian king list
is just one of them, andthat simply is the dynasties of the original
Sumerians those they're separated by a catastrophethat a new line of kings has to

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take over the new world. It'svery distinctly shown in the Legend of Atana.
If anybody would like to read theLegend of Atana, I wish I
had that on the read right now. I don't, but it's basically like
it goes into saying, well,there was a disaster on the earth.
Everything was destroyed, and then therewas a new king that was chosen to
be the architect of the new world. It literally says that an architect of

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the new world. His name wasAa, so it's called the Legend of
Atana, and he became the firstking of Kish. Year was that Well,
that's the thing that we're trying tofigure out is we have no idea
because we're told that that time periodof Kish came from like four thousand years
ago in that Mesopotamian era but withthe Syrian time. But what we're finding
is that no, no, no, no, no, hold on,

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guys, let's look at Charupak.We found three distinct layers of civilizations there,
not one, meaning that if youwere to look at a region like
Iraq, the Sumerians was like anancient ancient legacy that had nothing to do
with the same language all of theAssyrians or Babylonians or Chaldaeans. Just because
they write in qneiform wedges does notmean it's the same language. I think

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that. I don't think a lotof people know that. No, it's
important to understand because the Sumerians werelike this mysterious ancient language. And I
want to use the paraphrase what Jensaid. She said, you don't get
a fully cooked culture like the Sumeriansout of nowhere. She said that,
and she's one hundred percent right.There's this like mysterio vious origins of the
Sumerians that they don't even state thatthey invented everything, because they literally invented

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everything, and I mean like everythingcame from there. They invented writing,
the first writing, the first currency, agriculture, that building blocks of civilization,
laws and rules, metallurgy, astronomy, mathematics. You literally could go
on and on and on. It'salmost like if you were to create a
civilization, you're like an angelic groupof beings. You're like, Okay,

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let's create a civilization here. Whatis necessary to do so well, we
will lower the divine laws and rules, and they actually had a name for
it. I haven't talked about thisnearly enough, Cliff, and I'm glad
you brought this up. They callthose set of rules that they lower like
the code of Hammurabi, where there'slike moral laws and rules and how to
govern a society, the things neededto create a civilization. They called them

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the mes m apostrophe s, theroyal mes. They did and they discussed
how the mes, these these tabletswould like the commandments like Moses. These
commandments would be on these tablets,and they would reside in a certain city.

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Okay, they would reside in acertain city, and when they were
there in the royal library, thesethese like royal mes from the gods,
that city would be chosen to bethe dominant city of the gods. And
it was Aridu for a long time, and eventually it moved over to uruk
Er and then eventually Shrupak and others. It moved and at one point it
talks about how Anana stole the meatfrom Aridu. Okay, it's wild.

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Okay, you can go read what'scalled inky in the world order. You
find out that Anana was in chargeof other civilizations in other parts of the
world, like maybe Iran, inparts of maybe Turkey and other areas.
But it's described how she stole it. She stole the me tablets and then
brought it to their patron city andthey almost got in like a war over

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it. It's really really fascinating.But the point I'm trying to make we
got down that long road is thiswas decided long ago. It was like
a blueprint for civilizations to then createthem. But then the Sumerians were destroyed
by that catastrophe that flood, theFirst Deluge, and that's where the whole
Noah story with these bloodlined sons oflike Vaughan comes from, because they were

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then tasked with creating the new world. And but they but they had a
lot of tools that the Sumerians didn'thave. They had the megalithic building style,
they had these teachings of ascension thatwere lowered at Ionis and others that
then passed around. And so whatI see it as the story that makes
the most sense is that imagine threesons governed by divine gods. Anana became

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Athena to the Greeks. She's rightthere. Imagine Enlil right there, who
became Halty is right there, andKi's right there, and they're like these
like the they're like they're basically theeloheme of this count, deciding our fates.
And they say, Japath, Shemand Ham, you shall therefore go
about each part of the earth andcreate the new Golden Age. And Japith

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is shown just in Christian. It'sjust like Christian Hebrew bloodlines. He's taking
over Europe. He's supposed to haveEurope in Greece. And then you see
Shem is supposed to be in chargeof Egypt, the Great Pyramids of Egypt,
which is exactly who John Taylor thinksin the eighteen hundreds built the Great
Pyramids of Egypt. The sons ofNoah Shem. Really that is where these

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This has led me down that rabbithole. That has blown my mind because
I didn't have any evidence to supportthat until I found Cavistepi and these other
sites. But it was absolutely fascinatingbecause I realized so then Cham the other
son was tasked with going through Iranin India Southeast Asia, and you're like,

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whoa, so wait a minute,So this is supposed to go to
Europe with the ancient Greeks, andyou find through to Timaeus and Critius that
during Atlantis there was a pro toAthenian civilization that rivaled Atlantis, one of
the greatest civilizations in Earth's history,that came out of Japithan Lake Vaughan in
Greece and to this day in Athens. If you go to Athens, Greece,

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I would really like to add thisto the film if we could,
is a possibility we might be ableto. Let's see, okay, and
maybe or maybe just another trip.But if you go to Athens today to
prove this theory, there is awall called the Picks Wall that is gigantic
megalithic wall, beautiful, beautiful,beautiful that it has the same indentations of

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three levels on the stones as thisteaching that comes from Lake Vaughan as well.
And I want to pull this up. I want to say very very
much thank you to the comment thatsomeone left on my channel, because I'm
discovering things all the time, I'mlearning things all the time. We don't
none of us all know everything.So this was pointed out to me that

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in Greece there is the Greek equivalentof Noah is known as Dusa Lyon Italy
is the Greek equivalent of Noah inGreece, showing that the whole story connected
all through. And that's really wherethis has become wild, because you're you're
imagining, like, wait a minute, so Twinaku and pom pom Pu and
Bolivia the same symbols, same stonework, same cross. We're gonna take a

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short commercial break and we will returnwith my guest today, Matt Lacroix,
discussing his latest book, The Epicof Humanity. I guess today Matt Lacroix

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is coming to us from Colorado withinthe United States, and we're discussing his
latest book, The Epic of Humanityand his research in Turkey. That's what
I wanted to talk to you aboutbecause you actually show in this book Epic
of Humanity similar design features in Pumapukuand early Turkey and also perhaps construction.

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Yeah, engineering that's very similar.It's literally it's not even similar. Clip
it's actually weird because let's take fora minute Leg Vaughan in eastern Turkey.
It's the largest Turkey lake in Turkey. It's over one thousand feet deep.
It's actually over fifteen hundred feet deep, incredibly deep. It's one of the
deepest lakes on Earth. And rememberEaster Island, the Moai. There's this

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obsession with a navel. Remember anavel into the earth. Okay. Meanwhile,
they're really bizarre thing because these aresun temples. By the way,
if anyone wants to know their solarsun temples, I honest is a sun
temple. Meanwhile, across the world, in South America, you have another
giant lake, high elevation lake that'sover a thousand feet deep called Lake Kitty

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Kaka. And both of those lakesare surrounded by volcanoes, like massive volcanoes,
and they all have basalt and andesite. In fact, the word andesite
comes from the word andes from SouthAmerica. But they were building an aside
in Lake Vaughan. So it seemsto me, Cliff, that the builders
of Lake Vaughan packed up graveled acrossthe entire world to Lake Titi Kaka somehow

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knowing everything about it, and thencreated almost a mirror of the exact same
civilization there that you're The khana symbolis from the step pyramid symbol from the
box relief of kef the the crosssymbol is at is at Pumampunku, the
exact same cross, the same thesame T shaped pillar that I'm calling the

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ascension pillar that became the Gobekley pillarand Minorca pillar in Spain as well as
this this pillar we see in PumaPunku, but it's got other more jagged
edges to it. They added extraedges. I think it's a completion thing.
But then there's it's like goes onand on and on. It's like
they mimicked it, and then theycreated these civilizations to mimic around the world

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and then taught all these things andthen catastrophes came through and like wiped them
all out. Everything. He wipedthem out. Like that's why Machu Pichu
I believe was originally built by thesame group from Lake Vaughan, because if
you look at the descriptions of Haldyhow he's shown in his descriptions, it's

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identical to Ua Kosha, identical andit's not the same being as Kukocon and
Ketzaquata either, because they're feathered serpentbeings that are about knowledge. I think
that's more like inky Thoth Viri Koshaseems to be like basically a direct mirror
of Haldy from Vaughan with these likelightning bolts and controlling being like a powerful,

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powerful god that is also does endup passing a ton of wisdom and
knowledge. We have to look atthis whole thing in a different light,
I think, going forward and understandingcycles and energy and things. But the
point I'm trying to make just beforeyou jump in, is just to say,
like, this linkage is around theworld, and it's profound. It's
profound, and that's why so manypeople are coming together to uncover this mystery.

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Because it goes from Turkey to SaudiArabia to India, to Egypt,
to South America to ball back Lebanon, to Greece, to Peru to Mexico.
It goes everywhere. Yeah, Ithink people are intuitively curious and they
are weeding about our history and goingthis, something's missing here, There's there's

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missing links that we need to discuss. I want you to talk a little
bit about what you call the mythof Adappa. Sure, And the reason
I like this is because I amfascinated about the creation of homo sapien sapien
the various levels. And when youtalk about Noah, we read about their
very amazing longevity three four, five, six, eight hundred years of age

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or more sometimes, and these areunique beings that must have had a physiology
that was very hearty to last thatlong. So talk about that. I
think it's the idea of kind ofmerging these higher beings of us like like
us, but with a mortal being, and then you get kind of a

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mix in between of a long longevity. But eventually, as that bloodline becomes
more diffused over time, our ageseither either either somehow through manipulation. Because
it is weird, all of asudden, we became kind of capped off
at one hundred and twenty. Thatis weird. I will say, there's
something odd there that needs to belooked at. But it's it's great that

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you brought that up because it's importantthat you look at Let's look at the
Samarian king list, right. Theysay, this is what they say,
academics, Well, you're wrong aboutthe age because you're you're wrong about the
number of what is considered the ageof a shar shaar. A shar is
how they measure time in Sumer.They considered it in shar, so they
would be like, well, KingUbaratutu live for this many shars, and

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then so academics are like, youguys, got that wrong. It's must
be like months, not years.It's impossible. There's a problem with that
though. There's another whole set oftablets called the Iraq List of Kings and
stages that came from a whole nothercity called Iraq that has the same the
same kings, same thing mimicked fromanother time period another one. Then they

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might not also know that there's anotherwhole set of them as well from that
region called the Borocious King List.Borocious was the high priest of Marduk in
Babylon, not the New Babylon,the old Babylon. Babylon has an ancient
history too that's older than people think. Babylon was actually conquered and rebuilt in
a later time period as well.In the original Babylon, there were these

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ancient lineages just like Sumer of thesekings that really did rule that long.
And the evidence for that is justgore Genesis. It shows right in there,
Noah in there that was seven hundredyears old. It's like we ignore
the Christian side too in the Hebrewside that literally mimic it. But okay,
like fine, you don't believe that. Let's add another whole one.

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Let's add the Egyptian Turin King listfrom Egypt. Yes, okay, literally
identical. It shows these dynasties ofpharaohs over time, and it shows Cufu's
group down the dynastic pharaohs. Laterthey're like a whole nother page. They're
like way down the list, right, but at the top is this like
original group like raw and all theseothers that are from completely different agents.

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I mean, isn't Osyrus on thatlist and all these which they turned into
gods because they're so far back inantiquity. Well, I think it's I
think that the royal lineage of whowas ruling was directly connected to them,
like there is a direct relation tothat. But the Turing king list or
also knows the Egyptian king list mimicsthe same thing, mimics consumer mimics all

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these texts with Well, it showsthese enormous lineages of these ancient ancient Egyptian
rulers, and then the number getsless and less and lower in age till
it gets to the same ages thatwe are, and you're like, hmm,
it's kind of weird, right,how is that mimicking all around the
world? But yet, what doesthat mean? Well, it means means

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that if that's true and the brainsize jumped doubled in size two hundred thousand
years ago, and something happened withHomo sapient sapians, then and you add
up the entire Sumerian king list forrackalistic kings of sages, or the ferocious
king list or the Turing king list, and guess what you get? Two
hundred wisdom change two hundred thousand yearsago. I know it's so you gotta

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look at that. You can't ignoreit. And that's why I put Sharu
Pak and error do in that timelineway up at the front. And then
if I was gonna add something tothat which I need to now, I
would put Lake Vaughan and the errorat Civilization. Probably would have to put
it something like I'm gonna get introuble for this, but I probably would
have to put it at something likefifty thousand years ago. See, I'm

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looking at the university professor listening toyou is going like it doesn't make any
other sense. It didn't any othersense, like platistically wise, because for
instance, Edgar Casey, who Ithink was the only true channeler in the
world that I actually, like,really really respect in the way that he
did. He gave this age offifty thousand years for Atlantis being created.

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And also the Cuban geologist it AreAll Day in Cuba, who is investigating
these underwater ruins off of Cuba thatI did a whole episode with for Guy
Ancient Civilizations season five, he speculatedthat tectonic changes that could have led to
that being subducted would have had tohave been fifty thousand years ago or so.

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It's really interesting that these numbers keepcoming up and correlating, because that's
why I said, I honest isat least twenty thousand years old, because
I think that that Lost Civilization chapterwe're talking about, it ended at the
younger Dryas, didn't start there,ended there. That's when everything was destroyed
and repped. And so what Imean by that is like, well,
okay, so remember the date thatPlato is given by Solon for when Atlantis

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is destroyed is exactly the same dateeleven six hundred years ago or eight in
that timeframe for when the Younger Riasshows this pulse water of massive events around
the Earth that flooded and subducted plates. It literally matches exactly. It means
that we can create a timeline.It means that lost civilizations all around the
Earth were systematically destroyed during the YoungerDryas. Okay, so that means that

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they were destroyed at we'll call ittwelve thousand years ago, but that means
that the whole lineage of when allof them existed was before that. That's
why I give this idea that,yeah, I think that was like this
fifty to potentially one hundred thousand yearperiod of time that we created the most
magnificent structures on Earth and literally createda bond with Heaven on Earth with the

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stars, and then forgot everything andforgot who we are. Yeah. I
have the same feeling that you do, that that there's the ancient civilizations not
only in Turkey, Egypt, butin the Americas and China and so forth.
Ye China Golden Age, and andthere was something that wiped them out.
The big issue with Orthodoxy is thatwhere's the evidence. I mean,

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there's a famous story of Mark Lairand are talking to Robert Shaka, like
show me the potshards from I cangive you the evidence, but I've already
come up with it. My feelingis that these buildings were there, they
were reused by the pharaohs and theyput their cartoon sh on it. We
now know that Ramsey's the second wasa example, yes, great example of

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pyramids and making them his These guyshad egos that were off the charts.
But make a few comments about thatin terms of the antiquity and how we
identify these earlier places and how thatfits into this book Epic of Humanity.
Well, we have evidence to We'rehaving emerging edit evidence coming forward that is

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supporting all of this in a waywhere let me provide that evidence. The
first is that when we study someof these structures in places around the world
that are showing that Telfale sign ofnot being from the culture that we're told
highly advanced, highly sophisticated, sametypes of things we see, we can
we can label them all and it'skind of map them out and I did.
I've done shows with Brian Forrester ifyou want to check it out,

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where we literally discussed every single megalithiccivilization around the world and try to like
categorize them all and catalog them all. Okay, that endeavor is something that
we need to go forward and takebecause it's becoming more apparent that that's not
that hard to identify. To behonest, if you know what you're looking
for, it's pretty obvious to seethe difference. But having said that,

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still, like, what's the evidence, Well, I want to give a
big piece of evidence or two bigpiece two big pieces of evidence. One
I'll say three. First, oneis the stone that the hardness of the
stone, with the sophistication of whatthey've built and the and the tool marks
left behind show us that it wasn'tbronze a tool and there was some kind
of tools they use to build themthat we have no idea what it is.

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That is like a foundation right nowthat we don't know what could have
made these scoop marks in Asthwan,We don't know what did that. We
don't know what made these saw marksin Abusir in Egypt, or these drill
holes in Peru and Bolivia that areperfect, literally perfect. We don't know.
If anybody wants to nerd out onone of those types of things,

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go look at the altar at ianisthat stone altar? Look right in the
bottom of the altar. Somehow theydrilled these tiny holes to create like a
flower of life or sun symbol andthe bottom. How could they have done
that? It's literally mind blowing tothink that. But there's that, And
then we add on to that,these sites that we've now identified have extreme

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vitrification and damage on them, spotswhere the rockets melted in a way where
it's non normal erosion. These indicationsthat some extreme event heat event, all
water event like the sphinxing closure.That's what blew off of this whole thing
with Robert Bovall met up with arubber shock and they said, that's not
wind erosion on the sphinx enclosure,proving that had been water. But it's

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a desert. So when did itrain enough or flood enough to create that.
That's the kind of consensus we're gettingat. But I want to add
the big one at the end thatI don't feel like it's talked about nearly
enough. Cliff. I guess it'sthe sort of part of my brand to
talk about this, But when I'vestudied the most incredible megalithic aspects of these
civilizations. The most grand work theyever took on. Right, go from

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Easter Island with the moai. Largestmoai they ever created, never made it
out of the host rock, didn'thave any cracks in it or anything.
So let's just separate that silly argumentfor a second. It never made it
out of the host rock. Butnot only is it the biggest, it
was three times larger than any existingmoai on the island. Stay with me

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here, unfinished left abandoned the quarrywith several others as well, same like
they were about to take on something. This is the picture of the one
that's massive that's still not completely cutout of the quarry, like laying down.
Yeah they yeah, yeah. Nowlet's go to other places. Let's
go to say ballbeck Lebanon. Right, largest stones they ever created, over

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twelve hundred, thirteen hundred and fourteenhundred tons, never made it out of
the quarry. They were being shapedand fitted and moved and they're literally still
sticking out of the ground like they'rehalf out. And you're like, there's
another example. Let's go to Egypt. Got as one egypt largest obelisk ever
created by far by far was wasbeing moved out of the rocks seven hundred

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tons, and they were about tomove it, and then they abandoned it.
And then and then archaeologists was like, no, no, no,
look there's a huge crack through themiddle of it. That's why they abandoned
it. Or the fact that it'sbeen fifty thousand years or whatever it was
since it was carved and earthquakes andevents cracked it. So now add that
one I mean to be honest iszeb Tepi is thirty eight thousand years ago,

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So that if you want to behonest, that's when I think Egypt
was first built. If we wantto give dates, is that there's a
thing, there's a there's a placecalled Aindaro ain Dhara in Syria that gives
these ancient datings that kind of matchwith when we look at ancient Egypt with
Zebtepi on the wall for this thirtyeight thousand year period. But anyway,
the point is, let's continue andlet's go all the way around to China.

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Now, let's go to the YangshenQuarry in China, which what is
the single by far largest megalithic stonethat was ever being moved everywhere in the
world. And I don't even meanby a little, by a lot.
The stone of the ancient quarry thatwas being moved, which we know is
non natural, has all the groovemarks where they're cutting it. And then
there's other ones that are already fittedin place called stelez that that section,

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that area, that stone, thatgiant yancient story, yancient quarry stone.
You see all the areas were aboutto be moved, all of them.
It's like very we could see itvery clearly. They basically take these grooves
out underneath and they carve it outand they somehow like lift it out of
the host stone. However they didthat, we've don't know. But in

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all those examples of like the mostsupreme projects that these civilizations that all be
taken on, and I would argueperhaps it was all happening at the exact
same time right around the world.Is that when you see all these projects
that are of the most monumental scalepossible, it means a couple of things.
One, it means that that civilizationreached the height of its entire level

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of sophistication. First thing, notnot like weakening and disappearing. Two,
it means that the work that thework to stop happened suddenly and unexpected,
right. And three, it meansthat because they can never come back to
it, it means that they alldied or like all were wiped out.

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Those are the three ways to provethat theory of saying no, they had
actually reached the height of the GoldenAge. And then the younger dryest events
were so extreme over a fifteen hundredyear period, especially in the front in
the back end, which doesn't eveninclude the older dryest That is a whole
other thing too, is another partof it too. But just imagine events

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with tsunamis and massive volcanism and maybecosmic impacts, but potentially a whole host
of things happening and literally causing thatentire legacy of that group to be wiped
out. To all that was left, Cliff, were a few survivors in
sages and teachers from those civilizations thatfound all the indigenous groups around the world

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that already knew how to survive becausethey lived in the indigenous like in basically
within nature, that then they hadto teach them or they would discover the
remains, but had no idea howreplicate it. Yeah, that's how I
see our history and our story.Yeah. I love that. Matt Lacroix,
we could speak for hours. We'rereally down to our final point here,

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this new book, the Epic ofHumanity. What do you want people
to get from the book and what'sthe what's the message? Because it's one
of many of your books, ofcourse, this is co written with Billy.
It feels to me that it isfunny because we're talking about this research
project in Turkey. It fits nicelywith that. It does, it actually

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doesn't, and you may not haveintended that at all. My timeline doesn't
even need to change. I justneed to add like they're as civilization into
it. I don't even need toanyway. The core is this humanity has
been governed for far too long tomake us think that we're nothing and insignificant
in the universe. Whether or notit's through Darwinianism or just through any kind

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of an academic mind or through theindustrial age, various different reasons have come
into place that have very much engineeredour mindsets to think that we're nothing and
they were part of an empty universe, and we're random, and that what
happens to us doesn't really matter,and that couldn't be further from the truth.
And really what the message in thisbook is the epic of humanity,

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is for us to truly understand howepic our story is and who we truly
are, the struggles and strives thatwe've come through, these incredible epics that
that great descended masters have that barelysurvived and like taught other civilizations to carry
on. That story and message isso moving. It describes in the Entra

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Haste as how when that first catastropheis created to destroy the old world,
that the gods weeped at seeing humanitylike destroyed, like they felt, they
felt like they'd made the biggest mistakethey'd ever made. And it was this
moment where in time where we realizedthat we're obviously part of something great.

(01:35:54):
We're obviously part of something that's farmore important than just the randomness of thinking
that we're not, that we're nota greater purpose than just the earth in
the universe. And I would liketo leave people during this time of challenges
and time of transition into great ages, to remember to have that peace of
mind, to sit out in natureand stare up and realize that You're part

(01:36:15):
of the greatest story ever told,and you can be a hero in that
story whenever you want to be.But in the end, you're playing a
pivotal role no matter what in theprogression of how that all unfolds. And
I feel greatly honored to be apart of the role that I'm playing to
help tell this story in the waythat it was intended all along. M
I love that. Man. That'sa great way to end our time together.

(01:36:40):
Give people contact information. You gaveus the Stage of Time for this
documentary you're working on, but howcan people learn more about you? Give
us your contact info? Check outmy YouTube page at of course, Matthew
Lacroix, and the YouTube page theStage of Time dot com. And we
will have an entirely new, massivesocial media campaign and branding run Ey Honest

(01:37:00):
Legacy. So who was listening tothis, Get ready for new YouTube channel,
all new content for that. We'regoing to be creating this whole all
these discoveries and bring them all intoanother whole platform in addition to that the
ones that already exists. So getready for just unbelievably exciting things. In
twenty twenty four, two Trips toTurkey, that other mystery country, Peru,

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Bolivia, Egypt. I mean this, it's gonna be amazing. So
buckle up because this epic journey ofdoing all these incredible things and changing history
has truly just begun. Fantastic man, it's exciting to listen to you.
I love it when you are expressive, and this is all heartfelt material.

(01:37:43):
So congratulations and thank you. Thankyou keeping up. Let us know and
we'll get you back on the programonce you begin to expose some of these
findings to a larger audience. Thankyou, Cliff. It's always a pleasure,
my friend. Let's let's connect againafter I come back from Turkey.
Okay, definitely, thanks again,Matt, see you. Just before we

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started, Matt was telling me thathe will be posting the results of a
lot of their research and data analysisnot only to his Facebook page, but
also to his website. And itgives me a great opportunity to have Gin
on his team because Jen and Icommunicate very closely on what she's considering good

(01:38:33):
stuff. And you know, it'sfunny. She as a trained archaeologist.
She goes by the book in termsof analysis, so that means you have
to get into very expensive research orlabs, data labs where samples are taken
and they are you know, you'reworking with what they call clean rooms where

(01:38:58):
everything is sterle because you don't wantto contaminate a sample, otherwise you won't
get an accurate date. And soI honestly don't know to what degree this
research is going to be done.When we talk about research, we can
also look to other parts of theworld. You might remember our good friend
Marco Vigato. He works with INA, which is the Archaeological Community of Mexico,

(01:39:25):
and when he's doing his research onlet's say, well Haaka Meetla,
that underground cavern and temple is beingsurveyed and scanned and they're using ground penetry
radar with the blessings and the cooperationof ENA. And this is really critical

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because when you incorporate a local researchorganization that is validated through the country,
then you you can begin publishing yourdata with their blessing. And this is
where Jen really shines the brightest becauseshe is a research archaeologist who has done

(01:40:14):
field work for ages and has spenta great deal of time in the Middle
East, and so it's going tobe fun asking her and discovering what really
is the insight in the background andthe revelations before it's published. And so
stay tuned for more information on Turkeybecause I think that we're going to get

(01:40:36):
some really really fun data on whatis looking more and more like a very
very early civilization that goes back perhapstens of thousands of years before the Sumerian.
So we'll have to see I mean, I have I mean I don't

(01:40:58):
want to get into the whole andAnaki thing because that is where we spin
off into another realm. But youknow, when we have valid data,
we have evidence in temples, inbuildings, in artifacts, then we can
say, okay, this is crystalclear and we have the evidence that we

(01:41:19):
need, so I can I expectto hear back from Matt and Jin and
other members of their team on thisresearch. So I hope you enjoyed that.
That's exciting. That's exciting news,and I am always open to receiving

(01:41:39):
data from good research. So fun. Hey, if you are a fan
of Earth ancients, perhaps you mightconsider a vacation with us. We got
three tours coming up this year.We have Egypt April twenty eight through May
ninth. We have Turkey, firsttime in Turkey August fourteenth through the twenty

(01:41:59):
four and then we just announced wejust posted Mexico. This is going to
be the Grand Yukatan Tour of allthe pyramidal buildings and temples in Ukatan,
Mexico, November seventh through the eighteenth, and that is love. I haven't
been the Yukatan now in probably Iwant to say four years, it might

(01:42:23):
be actually five. But Yukatan isa wonderful place to see ruins, to
climb pyramids. It's really an adultplayland. And we're gonna be connecting with
my old friend Mimo Gonzalez. Ireference him to anybody who wants to see
Chichinitza because he works there. ButI just heard that they have unveiled a

(01:42:46):
new portion of Ushmol, which iswhere the Pyramid of the Magician is and
Ushmol is magical, magical. Soif you're interested in any of these sites,
go to Earthancients dot com, clickon the tour button and you'll see
the itineraries for all three of thoseplaces. Now, this is probably the

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last year we're gonna be able tohold our price down for Egypt, and
Egypt is magical. We not onlygo and see the major pyramids and the
Giza Plateau, we go to theRed and the Bent Pyramid privately without any
of the general public. And I'veadded a couple of new sites where we

(01:43:33):
get to see these monoliths, thesemonstrosities, fifty to seventy ton statues that
are not only beautifully carved, butit's really a question as to what the
tool to carve them from, grantedwas, we don't know because there's no

(01:43:54):
tooling marks. And there's greater speculationnow about these because the Egyptians are allowing
outside scientific study and I'm waiting forsome Germans research to come back that really
is shedding light into laser technology orsome form of heat that can burn stone

(01:44:19):
as being the tools for carving thesemegalithic stones. Come out and join me.
We only take small people, smallgroups, twenty maybe thirty people.
We're about halfway full right now.We want to complete this so everyone can
have a blast. It is notto be missed. April twenty eighth,

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May ninth from the Full light itinerary. Go to Earth Ancients dot com forward
slash tours on any of our tours. If you have any questions, send
me an email. Send it toEarth Ancients the number four of the letter
you at gmail dot com, andI'll get back to you. These are
not only wonderful experiences, they're verydeeply spiritual. These are sacred places that

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we go to. So we doa small meditative access point is called we
call it the intention work, sothat you don't simply observe it visually,
you tap into it spiritually and physically, so that you get the full experience

(01:45:24):
that you'll never forget again. Formore information, go to Earthagents dot com,
forward Slash Tours and check it out. All right, that's it for
this program. When I think myguest today Matt Lacroix, coming to us
from Colorado, USA, and asalways, the team of Gail Tour,
Mark Foster and everyone who makes thisthing happen. You guys rock, all

(01:45:49):
right, take care of be well, and we'll talk to you next time.
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