Michael Cremo: Extreme Human Antiquity

Michael Cremo's book Forbidden Archeology, coauthored with Richard Thompson, caused shock waves in the world of science, It exposed evidence for a human presence on this planet going much further back in time than the current dominant consensus in the world of science allows.In Extreme Human Antiquity, Cremo builds on the foundation of Forbidden Archeology, introducing explosive new cases from all phases of archeological research, from the nineteenth century to the present. Drawing on his knowledge of the history and philosophy of science, he documents how evidence for extreme human antiquity has been subjected to a process of knowledge filtration, by which this evidence is ignored, forgotten, set aside, or dismissed on flimsy grounds.Evidence for extreme human antiquity includes human bones, human footprints, and human artifacts. Cremo's understanding of what counts as human includes discoveries that have previously been attributed to Neanderthals and other hominin species. Cremo presents for each case the pros and cons for taking it as evidence for extreme human antiquity and lets readers make their own decision.

MICHAEL A. CREMO is an independent historian of archeology. He is a member of the World Archaeological Congress and the European Association of Archaeologists. Cremo is the principal author of the book Forbidden Archeology, a comprehensive historical survey of archaeological anomalies. Cremo examines the history of the archeology from the standpoint of alternative worldviews, particularly worldviews with foundations in ancient Indian thought. He has given invited lectures on his work at the Royal Institution in London, the anthropology department of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, the archeology department of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore and many other scientific institutions. He has also lectured on his work at universities throughout the world. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programs, and has a wide presence on the web. His website is www.mcremo.com

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, over the years, I've prided myself, I should
say our team has prided themselves in the ability to
find good authors, good material research investigators, people who are
making significant discoveries. And one of my favorite people has
always been Michael Krimo. And Michael is releasing a brand
new book called Extreme Human Antiquity, further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology.

(00:47):
And what makes this new book just must have for
your library is the fact that not only does he
cover great ages of human skeletal remains, in some cases
hundreds of millions of years, but he is really the
original out of place artifact researcher because there are so

(01:09):
many examples of unusual artifacts that are millions and millions
of years old that just defy educated guests, defy hypothesis,
our understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Of our past.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hey, this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and
today we will be speaking with Michael Cremo on the
release of this new book and it's focused specifically on
human remains. Now, what I love about Michael, and we've
had him on the show just annually for at least
since the beginning of the podcast twelve years ago. What

(01:47):
we love about having him on the program is that
he is a follows a Hindu philosophy. He is infirm
understanding of the Yugas, and he also follows the pranas.
And this is something that we don't talk enough about
because it is a very specialized practice. But today we're

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going to focus on, without a great deal of specifics,
the ancient.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Past of Earth.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And when you start contemplating and understanding that, according to
his research, Homo sapiens, this modern human that we are today,
the physicality, the bone structure, the brain capacity, and so on,
this is a being or we are a being that

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has been here millions and millions of years. Now it's
gonna be a little scary because at the end of
this interview you're gonna hear about a discovery that was
made that places us over one hundred million years in
Earth's past, meaning that modern humans, not these ape like

(03:02):
creatures that we consider our ancestors, but modern humans have
been and have settled Earth over one hundred million.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Years in the past.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That is a mind blowing number. And whenever I hear
it from him Michael Krimo, hear it from Graham, or
hear it from anyone else, it's perplexing because where are
the ruins? Where are is the evidence? Today we are
going to hear about not only skeletal remains, but artifacts

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that have been dated to over one hundred million years
in the past. A lot of these artifacts are found
in the United States. Some, as we would be expected,
are in Africa, some are in Australia, many are in
Europe and China. They're all over the place. But it
really is a real solid look at where we have been. Now,

(04:07):
if you've been listening to the program on a regular basis,
you know that we've had archaeologists and egyptologists on the program.
One of my favorite egyptologists is is doctor Kara Cooney
from She's a professor of Egyptology at UCLA here in California,

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and we've had her on many, many times. And one
of the things that I was shocked in our last
interview was the fact that the Dynastics, these pharaohs that
are noted, reused burial goods, reused coffins, reuse jewelry, and
we don't know how much more they reused. And this

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is a theme in today's interview simply because we understand
that it's a great possibility that the pyramids have been
around not just nine or ten thousand years, it's possible
that they've been around fifty or one hundred thousand years.
And also these temples and these structures that we take

(05:10):
are interested in and we talk about that are located
in Egypt, like the Hathor Temple, like Karnak, like the
Giza Plateau, with the Sphinx and these other buildings. It's
likely now that they have a great, great ancestry that
goes back twenty thirty, forty to fifty perhaps further than

(05:32):
we understand. And when I bring up Karakuni, the fact
remains that it's a possibility now that many of the
pharaohs reuse temples, reused buildings that they discovered.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I talk all the time about Ramsey the Second, the
great usurper, who regularly regularly placed his cartouche on buildings,
on statuary, on structures and claimed them as his own.
And it looks like this was a practice that was

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taken up by many, many pharaohs who had these massive egos,
who claimed these buildings as their own. And to date,
there is no way that we can convince the Egyptological
archaeological community that these are much much earlier. They seem

(06:29):
to think that during the Dynastics, as an example, Ramseys
and others, they were simply claiming works from short an
earlier period, maybe a few hundred years, nothing like what
we're presenting today, which would be several thousands of years,

(06:51):
tens of thousands of years, which is fascinating but also
a consideration. So today, not only will will we talk
about auto place artic facts, but we'll also discuss the
great possibilities of claiming much much earlier buildings, structures, and
perhaps the pyramids as their own, and modern science or

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archaeology and egyptology just accepting this, which is somewhat depressing
if you ask me so. Again, today's program is extreme
human Antiquity, further investigations into forbidden history. And my guest
is Michael Kremo The Earth Ancients Sacred Pyramid Tour December

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one through the twelfth of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
What happens when we walk or we are doing a
ritual or praying over the pyramid is that we literally
resonate with the committee. But it's called the human resonance.
So in our planet we have resonance that it's called
human resonance. It's like a heartbeat of the planet. So

(08:10):
when this hard bit of our planet resonates with these
type of structures like these Mayan pyramids, they amplify the
human resonans. And because they're all made with fractal materials
like pso electric stones and very particular types of stones.
Imagine that It's like when you have a tune fork

(08:31):
and then you have another tune fork, and they will
resonate with the same frequency. So when we're on top
of a pyramid, it will make our whole body, our DNA,
our electromagnetic field resonate like this cavity.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's our turo deally On who is one of our
hosts for the upcoming tour. He is a architect from
Mexico who has incorporated sacred geometry and many of the
buildings he has designed, who understands the intricacies of pyramids
and Maya science. Journeys for this special tour December first

(09:08):
to the twelfth of this year. For more information and
all the details, go to Earthancients dot com. Forward Slash
Tours come out and join us. We have Michael Krima

(09:57):
with us this week and Michael has just released an
new book called Extreme Human Antiquity further investigations into Forbidden Archaeology,
and he had mentioned this when he was on the
program recently. And this is a detailed analysis of remains

(10:19):
that he has found around the world, which makes it
a very interesting book and a really good addition to
your library. So, Michael, welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great
to see you, good to be with you. Tell us
about this book. Why a book on human antiquity? What
was the motivation?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Well, it's not just human antiquity, but extreme human antiquity.
Of course, my book Forbidden Our Archaeology to introduced that
topic evidence showing that human beings have existed on Earth
for far longer peers of time then most modern scientists

(11:04):
would expect. And when people read that book's the nine
hundred page book, they began to ask me, have there
been any new discoveries since that book was published? That
was published a long time ago, nineteen ninety three. So

(11:24):
I'd finally gotten around to bringing out another book that
answers that request. It includes hundreds of cases of new
discoveries that came to my attention after Forbidden Our Archaeology
was published.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Fantastic you look at the antiquity of man from a
Hindu perspective, And in the beginning of the book, you
talk about the Piranhas, which are Indian writing, which is
the foundation of the research. Talk about what that means

(12:07):
and how it passes through man's antiquity.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Well, it's kind of interesting. Until I encountered the Piranhas,
I never really had any reason to question the accounts
of human origins that I got from my teachers in
high school or university. Even so, it was like having

(12:35):
a folk chrome you used to raise a very heavy object.
So what they contained that interested me were accounts of
human populations existing on this planet going back not one
or two or three hundred thousand years, as mainstream scientists

(12:59):
now accept but going back millions of years, even hundreds
of millions of years. So that was really quite astonishing,
and I decided to look into the history of archaeology,
because if you look in the current textbooks, you're going
to see only the discoveries that conform to the now

(13:23):
dominant paradigm that humans like us appeared fairly late in
the geological history of the Earth, and now they say
within the past three hundred thousand years. So when I
started looking into what I call the primary scientific literature,
the original reports by archaeologists and other scientists to dig

(13:49):
into the earth. I was surprised to find numerous accounts
of human bones, human artifacts, human footprints growing very very
far back in time. So that is something I was
able to establish. Now, the Piranhas also speak of high

(14:10):
levels of civilization in the very ancient past, but that
kind of takes us beyond the kind of evidence that's
currently available to sciences.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Would you say that the Piranhas follow the Yugas in
a fashion because the Yugas are a cyclic way to
look at human evolution, but it's never brought up in
orthodox science because it's a philosophy with a it's kind

(14:48):
of a sacred science, I guess you could call it.
And yeah, do you do you can you relate to
that at all, the Yugas and the Piranhas.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yes, of course, even in the West, scientists and ordinary
people except the existence of cycles. We're very familiar with
the day night cycle. Most people they work study during
the day and during the night they're sleeping. And we're

(15:21):
also familiar in the temperate countries with the seasonal cycle
of spring summer, fall, winter, and we eat different foods
during the different seasons, play different sports, wear different clothes,
so we are familiar with cycles. And then there's the

(15:44):
business cycle boom and bus So ancient people were aware
of even larger cycles of time, and they knew the
conditions were different in each of these cycles. There's a
cycle of four yugas, a Golden age, of silver age,

(16:08):
copper age, and finally an Iron age, where the conditions,
the social conditions, environmental conditions start going through that cycle,
getting progressively worse with each Yuga, and then another cycle

(16:30):
starts again, with everything in a more or less perfect
state and then degrading as the Yuga cycles go on.
The ancient Romans and Greeks had a similar system, as
did some of the North American Indian tribal people. They

(16:52):
even had the same symbolism that the piranhas from ancient
Indian years, which was, in the case of the piranhas
a bold with four legs and over with each age
it lost one leg. So some of the North American

(17:16):
Plains Indians had the idea of an all buying no
buffalo that with each passing age, a cycle of four
ages lost one of his legs, So it's kind of
interesting how do these cross cultural parallels.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
What I find interesting about the Piranhas is that the
belief the Sacred Science says that modern humans did not
evolve from ape like creatures, that they have been living
on Earth for mains and millions of years.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Well not only on Earth, according to the Piranhas, there
are four hundred thousand human like species scattered throughout the
entire universe. And another thing to consider about the Piranhic
cosmology is that it involves millions of universes simultaneously existing,

(18:25):
and the universes go through a cycle. If you delve
really deeply into the Paronic cosmology, you'll find that it's
you find a god, God expansion and expansion of God
called Mahadishnu, who lies on a serpent bed in the

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causal ocean. And it said he's sleeping and when he
breathes out millions of year, the universe has emerged from
his body, And when he breathes in, the universes converge
back into his body, and the cycle goes on and
on endlessly. Universes are being manifested and then unmanifested, and

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in each of them, according to the piranhas there are humans.
So in one sense you could say, I'm not an evolutionist,
I'm not a creationist. I'm kind of an emanationist. That
the human form is always available in all of these

(19:43):
universes throughout all time. So it's like the plan for
the human body is always there.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
So if we follow that format at that philosophy, when
does homo sapien sapien arrive on Earth and does it
come from? Is it planted here or delivered here by
another civilization, or does it, as our scientists will like

(20:19):
us to believe, evolve from a small amoeba.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, well, yeah, it's kind of interesting. This is this
is a radically different point of view. The basic concept
is that a human body or any other type of
biological organism biological form, is a vehicle for a conscious self.

(20:48):
That's what it is. The reason I'm alive and conscious
now is because there is an oma, a conscious cell.
To use religious terminology of soul, but I don't like
using that word because people begin to think, well, that's
religion that requires the belief or requires faith, and I'm

(21:13):
not into that. I just want to see what's real
consciousness is the most real thing we have in our existence.
Without it, there wouldn't be anything else, and it's something
we all experience on a daily moment to moment basis

(21:34):
that I'm a conscious being, your conscious being, We're all
conscious beings. So any physical body is a vehicle for
a conscious self. So I would say the plans for
those vehicles have always been there in the cosmos, and

(22:00):
what's injected is the conscious self, which comes or belongs
in a different level of reality. It's so in that sense,
we are all extraterrestrials. As individual conscious personal beings. We

(22:22):
are from another dimension of reality. The piranhas described getting
back to that picture of Maha Vishnu lying on the
cause of ocean breathing out, and the universe has emerged
from his body, and when they're out, he glances and

(22:45):
injects into them. The conscious sells the automost, the fragmental
parts of the supreme conscious being that we are. He
also injects information into each universe. That information includes the

(23:07):
forms for the different types of physical vehicles that a
conscious self can occupy. So you could say this is
kind of the ultimate panspermion, the ultimate cosmopsychism. You could say,

(23:31):
we have a small reflection of it today and the
ideas of many scientists like rickrom Saying and even Francis Cricket.
I believe one of the co discoveries of DNA, namely
that our planet has been seeded. I agree, it's been

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seated with ottomas, and it's been seeded with bedras or
of the form of human bodily vehicles and the bodily
dihicles of other kinds of life, so hance, hanimals, insects, fish,
and so on.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, you write that, it's your belief, and within the
Piranha teachings that modern humans lived alongside these ape like creatures,
which would make me think that at some point hundreds
of thousands of years ago or millions of years ago,
Earth was a big experiment where they are trying to

(24:38):
test these different types of hominins to see which one
will last, and all of a sudden, Homo sapien has
all the attributes of a longer life, a longer possibility,
and perhaps the choice was made to use Homo sapien
because he was a survivor.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, well, I agree in principle with what you're saying.
My detailed understanding of it may be a little bit different.
They Yes, this is a testing ground, but as conscious sells,
we've arrived here and we've found all these that there

(25:23):
are available for us, all these different kinds of vehicles,
Homo sapiens vehicles, the undertall vehicles, regular chimpanzee and Guarrolla
vehicles all coexisting. Yeah, so to figure out you know,

(25:49):
it's like you land on a planet and you find
all these different vehicles available, and you wonder where did
they come from? What do they ford? Dry them out?
So we get to try them out one after another
in the cycle of bri incarnation. Because all of the

(26:11):
vehicles are temporary, they break down on a certain point,
but the conscious self doesn't break down. It simply goes
into a brief state of suspended animation, and that takes
a new vehicle and experiments with all of them. But

(26:34):
the human vehicle is the most powerful one in the
sense that it can be used to make sense of
the whole picture and bring us to a higher level
of awareness.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I love that where these shells, these biological shells, And
what you're saying is that the consciousness, which is religiously
thought of as the soul, tries out.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
These different vehicles. I love that analogy.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Let's get into modern human in your book, and I
didn't know this, but you describe modern humans as having
identified identifying attributes. One is high, smooth forehead. What are
what are some of the other definitions of a modern human?

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Well, this is something that I changed my ideas on
over the years. The standard, you could say, her default
definition of what it means to be a modern human
in terms of skeletal characteristics would be that smooth forehead,

(27:54):
a chin, no eyebrow ridges, or a bar going across.
But the thing is so that they what they originally
did was say, okay, the individuals with the smooth foreheads,

(28:17):
the developed chins, those are Homo sapiens. And if you
have a low forehead, eyebrow ridges, and no or very
small chin, you're something else. You're neandertall, you're a different species.

(28:41):
But there are living populations of humans on this planet
who have those features and scientists don't call them a
different species. So that is leading me to think we
have to expand our definition of what it means from

(29:06):
a skeletal point of view to be modern human Homo sapiens.
One way to deal with it is to break things
down into subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens for the classic modern human,

(29:26):
Homo sapiens, neanderthalns is for the Neanderthals, Homo sapiens, erectus
for Homo erectis, and so on like that, which kind
of is interesting because it expands the range of the
kind of evidence that scientists now accepts as being evidence

(29:51):
for human presence, pushing it very far back in time.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guest today, Michael Cremo, presenting his new book,
Extreme Human Antiquity. Will be right back. My guest today

(30:58):
is author research investigator Michael Krimo. He's the author of
a new book called Extreme Human Antiquity. This is a
continuation of his work in the forbidden archaeology genre, and
we're discussing this new release in the details of the book.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Why should we.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Be interested in extreme antiquity of humans? Why care about this?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Are you a good question? I think? To me, what
it indicates is that we're here for a purpose. We're
not accidental creatures and an accidental universe. It means if
this evidence is taken seriously, which I believe it should be,
means we need new explanations for human origins. And I

(31:58):
think those questions are going to involve consciousness. It's a
big problem for science. In July I was in Barcelona
and Spain for a meeting of the Science of Consciousness Group.
It's a big international organization of cognitive scientists others working

(32:24):
in the neuroscience field trying to explain consciousness. Charles Darwin
recognized consciousness was a problem for his theory because at
some point he was going to have to explain how
consciousness comes from matter, and he couldn't do it. And

(32:46):
he said he predicted He said, well this will be
solved by scientists in the far distant future. Well, you know,
the far distant future has arrived and still no solution.
So I think that is the big products of the
problem in modern science today, how do you explain consciousness?

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So I think it's going to eventually involve understanding that
consciousness doesn't produce matter. It can simply become covered by it,
as we are now covered in these body suits vehicles.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Now, one of the things I want I want to
talk about with you is that you have different definitions
of antiquity or different categories. You have skeleton, dental, footprint, cultural,
and so on. And I was curious, before we get
into the actual case studies that you feature in your book,

(33:59):
I have come up with a thought on this antiquity
regarding evidence of reuse of temples and pyramids and things
like that. And it's now been shown through. And I've
had a couple of people on my program who are

(34:20):
Egyptologists that the reuse of ancient temples, perhaps pyramids, perhaps
artifacts is now established, especially in predynastic Egypt or dynastic Egypt,
where they would use the burial.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Goods.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
And this has been found out with King tutan Common
his death mask was designed for an uncle or an aunt,
I think, but he came around and so they refitted
for him. And I think, and it's becoming obvious to
me that a lot of these temples, and I think

(35:07):
the pyramids were there thousands of years prior to the
arrival of the Egyptians. And I'm wondering, does this come
into your thinking when you write your work as a
potential identification of a great age.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Well, yes, it has. I haven't formally introduced it into
my work at the present moment, but I am thinking
about it because there are researchers who have done studies
of the alignments of these temple structures. Typically, if you

(35:50):
look at ancient structures, most of the cultures were very
aware of complex astronomical aspects of the cosmos, and they
align structures to the north the geographic North Pole. And

(36:17):
the problem is not a problem. It's actually very interesting
is that the position of the geographical north Pole has
varied over the thousands and thousands of years. So I
have seen studies that look at the orientation of large

(36:45):
numbers of temple structures or ancient monument structures all over
the world, and they point in slightly different directions that
correspond to the known position of the geography north pole
in ancient times, and it can be used as a

(37:06):
method of dating dating them. It's something I'm still looking into,
but there is on the web information like that, and
I think that and they may have been rebuilt reused,
so you would in fact, if they were just new,

(37:29):
they would be towards either the current the building would
be oriented towards the current north geographic pole or to
a fairly recent location of it. But I think as
you're suggesting that because the orientation of those structures is

(37:52):
very different or is more greatly different than the others,
it indicates an age difference that the news structure was
built on an older structure that was in fact older. Yeah,
that's so, That's how it comes into my thinking.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
The challenge that we have, though, is that a lot
of your discoveries in this new book, Extreme Human Antiquity,
we're talking hundreds of thousands and millions of years ago,
and the biggest problem we have is that buildings deteriorate,
you know, after a certain time frame. I'm wondering if

(38:37):
we study and think about Robert Vival's theory on the
Orion constellations and the position of the Great Pyramids of
the Giza Plateau, he recalculated that they were built during
the I think that he's thinking around twenty thousand years
ago might be earlier than that, which isn't close to

(38:59):
the you know time frame you're talking about. But do
you have a sense of any possible temples or perhaps
carvings geoglyphs that could be hundreds of thousands of years old.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Yes, there are objects, and I know for example, and
temples in India that claim to be from very very
ancient times. Now demonstrating that scientifically is not going to

(39:42):
be easy because a lot of these objects are being
worshiped today and temple structures so not going to be
so easy to get access to them. But say, like
you take the Shri Rangam temple in South India and

(40:05):
Tamil Nadu state, it's like many temple complexes in India
and other parts of the world, like encore Wat. You
have massive temple structures with ring walls going around them,
sometimes many up to seven and they are actual models

(40:30):
of the universe. They align to a different phenomenon where
the sun rises at the solstices and the equinoxes. In
this particular temple, they have a form of Vishnu, Hindu god.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
That is.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Reclining as if on the causal ocean. And according to
the temple of records, that object was originally worshiped off
of this planet. It came from some other part of
the universe. And just like right now, scientists are looking

(41:21):
at a couple of objects that they say are from
outside our solar system coming in. So they claim these
are objects like that from some other planetary system and
they arrived on Earth a long time ago, many Yugas,

(41:44):
many millions of years ago, and were continually worshiped. So
you have cases like that where you have these very
as you said, maybe now new structures built on older

(42:05):
foundations and containing objects that have remained throughout all the
different manifestations of structures at that particular location.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Is there So you're seeing that there's a reclining statue
of Vishna, but is it him? And then a small
enclosure that was built around him.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Originally it was like that. It started from a small
enclosure and gradually got bigger and different walls were built
around it.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
So yeah, amazing. Yeah, I mean, I got.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
To get to India. It's got some extreme antiquities. Let's
talk a little bit about this new book. In chapter two,
you open the research with the middle plesticcene, which is
one hundred and twenty six thousand to seventy seven hundred
and seventy four thousand, and this is what really makes

(43:17):
the book fascinating. And I like to focus on footprints
because there's a lot of evidence of footprint footprints. You
talk about the It's in Italy, the Devil's trail which
has been dated to three hundred and forty five thousand
years in the past. And what's unique about this discovery

(43:38):
and when did they discover it?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Well, I thank you for really getting into the details
of how the book is structured, because right now, the
most scientists say the first humans like us appeared about
three hundred thousand years ago, and before that there weren't

(44:05):
any humans like us, or at least they haven't been discovered. Now,
what I wanted to start with in this book extreme
human antiquity, was the evidence that's close to what modern
science now accepts. As you mentioned, these footprints, which were

(44:26):
made in volcanic ash in Italy near a volcano, are
about three hundred and forty five thousand years old, so
that's the significance of them. They were identified by the
discoverers as being indistinguishable from anatomically modern human footprints. I

(44:52):
document that in the account that I gave in the book.
It's actually the first case of physical evidence in the book.
And the footprints have been known for some time, maybe
since late medieval times, so people have called them colloquially

(45:16):
the devil's foot trail or something like that. So that's
there so I think the significance of it is, well,
here's something that really doesn't go too much further back
in time than when what you're now prepared to accept.

(45:36):
Why not accept this and let's go on from there
and see how far back in time we can go.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
But you're you're right, Oh, when there's a moment. I
just wanted to mention that I just recently saw yes
day a report of footprints a little over three hundred
thousand years old from the site in Germany and Lower Saxony.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
But go ahead, you.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Know, we here occasionally coverage of these discoveries of footprints
and artifacts, and we'll get into some of these skeletal
remains here in a minute. But why is it so
hard for mainstream science, especially archaeologists, to accept these as
modern human rather than some ape like creature.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, well, I don't think it's necessarily a Satanic conspiracy.
I think they they would think they're just being good scientists,
good custodians of the evidence. I think it's what I

(47:16):
would call a process of knowledge filtration. And this is
something that it's not new with me. It's something that
historians of science and philosophers of science have understood for
a long time, namely that theoretical preconceptions can influence how

(47:39):
scienceists react to different categories of evidence that come to
their attention. If the evidence conforms to a dominant paradigm,
then it's treated in one way. If the evidence radically contradicts,
or even contradicts to all degree, a very well established paradigm,

(48:04):
it's treated in another way. It's put aside as problematic,
or it's dismissed on very flimsy grounds, or it's just
forgotten about. You know, nobody's thinking I'm hiding true evidence which,
if known, would cause other people to disbelieve in our theories.

(48:32):
They're just thinking, well, I got other things to do. Now,
I've got a grant to apply for. We'll get to
that later. It's not really that significant. But the point is,
if you do that once or twice, maybe it's not
so significant. But if you do it hundreds of times,

(48:52):
then what you're dealing with is not the complete set
of facts that are relevan to the questions you're trying
to answer in your scientific discipline, in this case, archaeology.
But this similar kind of process operates in practically every

(49:13):
field of science, whether it's cosmology or biology or geology.
And for example, there was a scientist early in the
twentieth century named Wegener from Germany who proposed continental drift,

(49:33):
you know, the idea that one original continent broke into
pieces and spread out. He was laughed at. His ideas
were completely rejected, and now they're the mainstream theory. So
sometimes there can be revolutions in science and they're inspired

(50:00):
by these anomalies that gradually accumulate, and whether there's too
many of them to ignore, then maybe we get what's
called a paradigm shift in a scientific discipline.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, do you think we're getting close to a paradigm
shift because there's a lot of new discoveries that are
kind of shedding light on the possibilities of extreme antiquity.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Well, I'm trying to do my part, but I'm kind
of operating at in the deep end of the tool,
you might say, where others are working with more recent
periods of history. That's why I call it extreme human antiquity.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I will mention this though in your book you mentioned
in the beginning and the introduction that for a long
time it was I thought that modern humans were one
hundred thousand years old, and now recently it's gone to
three hundred thousand. So do you think that at some
point they'll say, okay, it's a million years is when

(51:15):
modern humans show up?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Yeah, I think they're taking baby steps in the right direction.
When I was doing the research for Forbidden Archaeology, the
mainstream view was about one hundred thousand years. Yeah, when
that book was published in the early nineteen nineties. By

(51:39):
the time you get to the two thousands, they were
saying two hundred thousand years, and now they're saying three
hundred thousand. So it's every decade or so they add
one hundred thousand years. So maybe by seven years from
now they'll be up to a million. I think there's

(52:00):
still a long way to go.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, they'd have to find a machine that is or
something an artifact that is so compelling that they have
to change their thinking.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I guess, well, read the book.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
That may be someone there.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
There's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Which let's go to the next item, which is the
what you call it the middle plaster scene. And this
is an amazing one. I don't know if it's in
the original book. It's a it's in ten ten Morocco
it's a figurine that was dated to four hundred thousand
years ago. And I don't know if that was in

(52:37):
the original book, but that's a pretty amazing discovery.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Well, I think this is this is new. This is
one of the cases that no matter where it was,
what time it was actually made, it didn't reach by
attention and the original book. Yeah, that's that's a sculpture

(53:03):
kind of like a very primitive but recognizable form of
a woman carved bell of Uh, some kind of discovered
in Morocco.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
And did they discover it underground in a tomb? Where
did they discover it? Uh?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Actually, I've always been afraid of somebody who's going to
open up to a page from my book and ask.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
You could glide over it. There's so much to talk about.
We can move on to something else. Of your details.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify those selves, and we will return
shortly with my guest today, Michael Cremo and his new
book Extreme Human Antiquity, will rejoin you shortly. My guest

(54:37):
today is author Michael Krimo, who is introducing a new
book called Extreme Human Antiquity and not only are there
examples of million year old humans, there is a great
deal of out of place artifacts. These are artifacts that
appear to be modern that can be millions of years old.

(55:04):
I've had a number of archaeologists on here who are
now looking at redating the occupancy of hominins in North America.
Now it goes back now, I think with the redating
to over one hundred thousand years. I'd like you to
describe what is known as a kill site. There's a

(55:30):
recent discovery a couple I think maybe a decking now
that came up in the San Diego, California area where
there's a kill site that was found under a freeway construction.
But there's a number, that number of them that you
bring up that are very important because it's obvious that

(55:50):
a human like creature is killing a mastodon or a
rhinoceros or something and then creating tools to get the bone,
marrow and so forth and so on. Why are these important?

Speaker 4 (56:06):
The current dominant paradigm is that human beings first entered
North America from coming from Siberia over what they called
the Burying Land Bridge. Now there's ocean water between Siberia
and Alaska, but thousands of years ago, maybe twenty thousand

(56:32):
years ago, when there was more ice on the land
in the form of glaciers. That meant water was being
taken from the ocean and deposited on the land in
the form of those glacial sheets. Therefore, the ocean bottom

(56:55):
the land kind of emerged, and it was possible to
walk from Siberia across Alaska and then go down through
an ice treet corridor to the lower forty eight American
states and from down there to Mexico and then to

(57:19):
South America. So they thought all that happened within the
past twenty to twenty five thousand years. So these new dates,
in particular the mastodon kill site, and I think it
was State Road one twenty four going through San Diego,

(57:44):
they put an age. They give that site an age
one hundred and thirteen thousand years And this was published
in a mainstream scientific journal. But there's a hidden history
to that whole discover that goes back a few decades,
and I was involved in that. The original reason why

(58:13):
the masdon bones with butchering marks on them were discovered
was that most states, most governments around the world now
have laws mandating that when there's construction going on, there
has to be If the bulldozers or whatever run into

(58:37):
any human remains, there has to be an archaeological impact report,
or if they find animal remains, there has to be
a paleontological impact report. So Caltrans was building the highway.

(58:59):
They encountered mastodon bones, including a masterdon tusk, and they
called in palaeontologists to investigate, and they found that the
Masdon bones had cut marks on them that looked like

(59:20):
bookstraing marks. They found also stone tools along with them.
They dated the animal bones using the uranium series method
and got an age of over three hundred thousand years.
Oh now, this was all in a Coltrans report that

(59:45):
wasn't published in its scientific journals. The bones weren't put
on display in any museum. The report was just filed
in some office of the State of californ Ornia somewhere
southern California. But somebody passed the report to Virginia Stein McIntyre,

(01:00:12):
who is a geologist that I know was interested in
things like this, and she passed it on to me
and I wrote about it years before the scientific report
came out. I wrote about it in a column that
I had in Atlanta's Rising magazine. Now, the reason they

(01:00:38):
didn't let it out, you know, scientifically, was because of
the age of three hundred thousand years. Now, what they
did is they kept redating it, redating it, redating it
till they got it down to about one hundred and
thirteen thousand years. That's still pretty radical. So I have

(01:01:00):
to congratulate the scientists who put that out, But I
think the real age is even greater than one hundred
and thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
You know, it's funny you mentioned about this redating, redating, redating.
I have bad feelings and I've heard horror stories of
original carbon dating numbers to be at the maximum of carbon,
which is fifty thousand years, and because it's not an
acceptable date, they'll pass it through again and again and

(01:01:33):
again until they get a date that's more comfortable. That's insane,
but that's just the status of current archaeology, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Yeah. So there is kind of a movement towards greater
human antiquity in North America. Say, the evidence goes much
further back in time than one hundred and thirteen thousand years.

(01:02:08):
I mean, when you get to discoveries like the California
gold Mine discoveries and layers of rock fifty million years old.
That gives you some idea. Now, there was a North
American scholar named Vine Deloria. He was a Native American

(01:02:28):
Indian scholar PhD. And history, and he wrote a book
called Redder White Lies, in which he said, as far
as the Indian people are concerned, the Native American people,
they don't think they came over from Siberia. They think

(01:02:50):
they've always been here. And sometimes they give evidence for it,
like seeing a volcanic eruption like an Oregon near a
tribal area. Eruption took place hundreds of thousands or even

(01:03:10):
millions of years ago, and it's recorded in very tribal legends. Yeah,
so it was kind of interesting that this Native American
scholar really liked my work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, amazing, So many wonderful examples of antiquity in this book.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I want to come back to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
The United States and go to a place that you
identify as rock Well, Texas. And this is a rock
wall that was dated to sixty six million years ago.
And I'm curious what did they use on that wall

(01:03:57):
to date?

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Oh, they could have used I mean, there's stratigraphic methods right,
you know, I think which was the main thing that
they used. This is a case that Virginia Stein McIntyre,

(01:04:25):
a geologist who was kind of interested in these things,
looked into and she told me that the dating was
good sometimes. And I don't remember all the details about
that exact case, but I know from other experiences that

(01:04:50):
I've had, if there's anything volcanic involved with any sort
of volcanic rock that was placed into the wall structure,
that could potentially be dated. And there are other methods
of dating minerals again, radiometric methods based on the known

(01:05:17):
rates of decay of various radioactive elements, but I think
the main evidence was stratigraphic evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
It's funny, I remember seeing different photographs of this wall.
I don't remember how it came to light, if it
was excavated or it was found by somebody who thought
it was unusual. But was it do you remember was
it a retaining wall or was it a fortress wall.

(01:05:53):
I don't remember exactly what it was they think it
was designed for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Yeah, it's kind of a bit of a mystery, but
it I mean, some of the photographs that I've seen,
I haven't been there. Maybe somebody has. I think I
forget the name of the researcher who had a television

(01:06:20):
program where he was visiting sites around the United States.
I don't know if you remember him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Oh, you're talking about Unearthed America, Scott Walter.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
I think I think he may have done an episode
of Texas Rock Wall. But I haven't been there myself.
I just relied on published foports for it. But it
was discovered by settlers who came there in the nineteenth century.

(01:06:54):
And some of the photo so I've seen are very high. Yeah,
it's thirty or forty feet high sections of wall, and
some of them are shorter of chief sees high.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah, that's fascinating. The books called Extreme Human Antiquity Further
investigations into Forbidden Archaeology just came out. It's available on Amazon.
I want to talk about a couple of other not available.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
It's not available on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
It's not where can people get it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Well, I mean it should be on Amazon. There's just
been some glitch and the supply chain because I don't
All the rest of my books are on Amazon. Now
if anybody wants it, they have to go to my

(01:08:04):
I mean it is listed on Amazon. But the only
place you can get it is from two or three
private people who are selling it at prices much greater
than the retail price. So I don't know why that is.
I've been trying to find out, but just some little

(01:08:32):
supply chain blitch. So right now it's listed, it's listed
on it's my website.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Okay, it's on it's here. I'm looking at it right
now on Amazon and it says you can get the
hard copy hardcover. Hm, oh okay, I mean so it's

(01:09:02):
available through a number of independent sellers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
My website mcremo dot com would be the easiest place
to get it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Right now, Okay, So just so mcremo dot com you
can buy it there. If you're an Amazon member, it's
available there, but not through Amazon's available through independent booksellers.
I just found it. There's about six different booksellers and
they're not marking it up. It's only thirty dollars for

(01:09:37):
the hardcover. I imagine at some point there will be
a softcover, but it just came out, so that's the
way he's selling it, Michael. As we conclude, can you
comment on this metal hammer that was found in London,
Texas and they dated it to one hundred and fifteen

(01:09:58):
million years ago. That is one of the biggest anomalies
that have ever seen, and there's been a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
That have seen that it's a hoax.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Yeah, well, it's interesting. I saw that object some years
ago in Vienna, where a researcher named Klaus Dona had
gotten lots of anomalous artifacts from private collections all over
the world, and he held an exhibit in Vienna and

(01:10:32):
he invited me to be a speaker at the opening
of that event, and one of the objects they had
there that he had gotten from the private collector who
owned it was that hammer. That it's a piece of

(01:10:53):
fossilized wood or almost fossilized wood with an iron hammer
head on it. And it's been analyzed in terms of
it's the alloyed metals that are in it, and it's

(01:11:15):
not like any type of iron that was produced in
modern times according to the reports that I read and
it was found. I mean, it's partial, it's still partially
embedded in rock limestone rock, and that formation that originally

(01:11:44):
formed around this iron hammer would have been as you say,
quite old, millions of years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah, it's go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
A lot of the things that are recorded end of
the book are of the nature of stone tools and
very primitive types of sculptures. So this is one of
the more developed artifacts that is present today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, and I guess because of the strata that it
was found in, they dated it to one hundred and
fifteen million years ago. I mean, it's ridiculously old.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
It really shows that the Yugas, these cycles of human occupation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Are true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
It's really you know, if that's what we can find, wow,
it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Well if it were just that, you know, maybe you
could reserve judgment and say, well, yeah, you've got one
or two interesting things. But if you add them up,
there are literally hundreds of these kinds of discoveries, And
to me, that's always been the most important thing, the

(01:13:15):
prevalence of these kinds of things, the idea that it's
not just a few, it's a good many.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Michael, you've made your career on studying human antiquity. What
do we learn about this, why should we have an
interest in it? And how does this for the future.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Well, that's an excellent question, because yeah, I could wonder myself,
I mean, what do I care whether humans have been
around a few thousand or a few hundred thousand or
a few million or one hundred million years. And the
difference that it makes is that if humans have been

(01:14:01):
around for as long as I think the evidence shows
they've been around, it takes us back to the very
beginnings of the history of life on Earth, And to me,
that suggests we're here for a purpose. We're not accidental
preachers and an accidental universe that has no purpose. So

(01:14:25):
I think that is the fundamental reason why we should
care about how long we've been here, because it raises
important questions about our identity, whether or not there is
some higher purpose to life on this planet or is

(01:14:47):
it just our little microsecond cosmic time in the grand
casino of the universe, or is it something more than that?
So I think that's where it all leads.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
As a spiritual being, Do we evolve spiritually by understanding
our past?

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Yes, because our present is going to become our past,
and how we behave in this moment of time is
going to have an influence on what our future is
individually and collectively. So yeah, lots really at stake. I

(01:15:45):
look at the cosmosis kind of a school, an education facility,
where where meant to acquire experiences that can go us
to behaving in a better way towards ourselves, towards others,

(01:16:08):
other humans, to all forms of life, to our planet,
and ultimately that we exist in harmony with the guiding intelligence,
supreme conscious being that is behind it all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Michael A.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Pleasure is always much success on this new book, Extreme
Human Antiquity. I enjoyed reading it and it's really an
amazing investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Thank you, well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I'm going to post a series of photographs from this
new book on Facebook and also on Instagram. I'd say
there's about five to seven photos that I've never seen
before that Texas London, Texas hammer. I think the whole
world's seen it. I'll post it anyhow. It's very very

(01:17:07):
unique because the wood of the pickaxe or I think
they call it a hammer, has been petrified. But it's
petrified in the same way you see a petrified tree.
You see the dark or the brown outer casing bark,
and then you see the actual stone hammer head, and

(01:17:32):
the whole thing has been petrified. It's all solid stone.
And you know, people keep trying to change and it's
just such an anomaly they find any explanation they can
to try to explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
There's no explanation for it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
It is the epitome of an out of place artifact,
you know. And that it was found in such a
deep layers of sediment is how they can date it,
and they date it over a hundred million years. It's
just a phenomenon that is mind blowing. I would love
for them to or somebody to begin revealing more of

(01:18:14):
the anomalies like that, because that really places mankind in
the extreme past or as Michael would say, extreme antiquity.
So anyhow, I hope you enjoyed that his book is
available on Amazon, but you have to buy it from
a dealer, and you know it's listed for about thirty dollars.

(01:18:37):
You can see some of them for fifty. Don't pay that.
You can get the hardback for about thirty bucks. And
Michael mentioned his site mcremo dot com. I've seen it there,
So there you go. There's a way to get the book.

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