July 26, 2025 • 75 mins
Deep beneath the waves of myth and time lies Atlantis, a lost empire of unparalleled splendor, whispered to have birthed a race of giants whose legacy endures in ancient stone and scattered lore. In *Giants of Atlantis: The Legacy of the Fallen Race*, we embark on a speculative journey into the heart of one of humanity’s greatest enigmas. Were the Atlanteans towering beings of superhuman stature, as some ancient texts suggest, or are their monumental traces merely echoes of a forgotten culture? This book explores the tantalizing possibility that a race of giants once walked the earth, shaping civilizations and leaving cryptic markers in stone circles and megalithic temples. Drawing from the accounts of Plato, who described Atlantis as a naval power sunk by divine wrath, we begin with the philosophical cornerstone of the Atlantean myth. Plato’s dialogues, *Timaeus* and *Critias*, paint a picture of a sophisticated society lost to catastrophe. Yet, he hints at inhabitants of extraordinary might, capable of feats that defy modern understanding. Could these be the giants of legend? The book delves into parallel accounts from Saxo Grammaticus, whose *Gesta Danorum* chronicles Norse tales of towering figures wielding godlike power, and Adam of Bremen, whose descriptions of Baltic temples suggest sacred sites built for beings of immense scale.
Patrick Chouinard is an American author, alternative archaeologist, and investigative mythologist who challenges conventional narratives about humanity's remote past. A prolific writer with ten published books exploring ancient civilizations and forgotten histories, Chouinard serves as Editor-in-Chief of The New Archaeology Review, a platform for cutting-edge archaeological research. As former host and producer of Archaeology TV, he brought alternative archaeological perspectives to mainstream audiences. Beyond academia, Chouinard is a dedicated political activist who advocates for transparency in historical research and the democratization of archaeological knowledge.
www.patrickchouinard.com
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Patrick Chouinard is an American author, alternative archaeologist, and investigative mythologist who challenges conventional narratives about humanity's remote past. A prolific writer with ten published books exploring ancient civilizations and forgotten histories, Chouinard serves as Editor-in-Chief of The New Archaeology Review, a platform for cutting-edge archaeological research. As former host and producer of Archaeology TV, he brought alternative archaeological perspectives to mainstream audiences. Beyond academia, Chouinard is a dedicated political activist who advocates for transparency in historical research and the democratization of archaeological knowledge.
www.patrickchouinard.com
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/earth-ancients--2790919/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Wow, do you remember that what you do, haven't? The
Wizard of Oz is the movie that comes from and
that's the March of the Winkies, or as they would say,
the chant from the nineteen thirty nine movie Wizard of Oz.
And I felt that it was appropriate. I felt it
was appropriate for today's program on giants. We haven't anybody
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talking about giants in over at least a year and
a half, maybe two years, seems to have fadd I
think the last person we had on was Hugh Newman
and his co writer Jim Vieira, and they have written
a couple of different giant books. We were talking about
European giants at that time, but today we're talking about
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Giants of Atlantis. And my returning author research researcher is
Patrick Schnard. And Patrick hasn't been on, would you believe
since night since twenty seventeen, I think, or maybe even earlier.
We'll find out today. And giants are an interesting topic,
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simably because here in the United States, when they were
digging into the mounds of the Mississippi Valley area, Ohio
and other parts that had significant mounds, in some cases
they found giant skeletons and when I say giants, some
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of them were eight feet tall. And there is an
early turn of the century flood of giant sightings. It
seems like people were buying plots of land that were
once sacred to the native people of the country, of
the various regions, and they were finding very large humans. Now,
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some places in one of the places is the Catalina
Islands off the coast of Santa Barbara, California, had very
tall people in the twelve foot range. But the rumors
of people being twenty and twenty five and beyond that
are kind of stretching the reality of the situation. Hey,
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this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients, and I've
always been fascinated in giants. About five years ago we
had an author who had written a book on Earth's
descending periods, and apparently, according to him, the dinosaurs were
created because the gravity on the planet was such that
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large animals were able to develop, be birthed, and actually
grow into huge monstrosities. If you have never seen the
skeleton of a dinosaur, go check it out at your
local natural history natural science museum. They were monstrosities, fifty
sixty ton creatures that were moving and God, if you
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had to face a t Dinosaurs Rex or any one
of those gigantic dinosaurs, you were in trouble. You were
in trouble. And there's some people that believe, and there
is growing evidence that the dinosaurs were around at the
same time there was a man mankind was around. We've
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recently heard from Randall Carlson that the dinosaurs were basically
destroyed in a catastrophic event sixty six million years ago.
But in places like New Mexico and other parts of
the world, there is evidence of human occupation at the
same time. And the reason we know this is because
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there are footprints of dinosaurs along with footprints of human beings.
Now we don't know if these are Homo sapien. Sapien
scientists would say no, it's more like an earlier hominin
that was living at the time. But damn talk about
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a problem. If you run into the path of one
of those giant carnivore dinosaurs, you're in trouble. So anyhow,
that was that focus on that author, But he had
another book where he felt that the giants that are
rumored to have existed on Earth may have had the
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same issues where the gravity was at such a rate
that the ability to birth humans of great stature and
girth were in effect. So we don't know. It appears
that at one point science wasn't really supportive of the
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theory of giants, and so skulls and physical remains, skeletal
remains were in some cases see appears to be covered up.
There's a lot of rumor that the Smithsonian Institute in
d Washington, d C. Sent out filled archaeologists to collect
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they remain from these mounds and we never saw them again.
In fact, this is what a number of authors that
we've had on the program have been telling us. I
think he was one as well as Jim vi Era,
that these giants were reported, and they have articles in
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their book where local journalists were chronicling the discovery of
humans that were eight feet ten feet twelve feet tall
in burial mounds, and that they were collected by field archaeologists,
brought back to the Smithsonian Institute and then either categorized
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or placed in a vulnerable position and either disintegrated or
were destroyed in a variety of manner. This has been
a problem for a while. When I first started Earth
the Ancients, everybody was down on the Smithsonian Institute and
functions like the National Geographic. This is old school science.
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And as we begin finding evidence of an earlier civilization,
and I always say this, if they don't come up
to speed, they will kind of be lost in the shuffle.
I think, as much as I enjoy the photography and
National Geographic, I haven't picked up a National Geographic in
years because it's kind of the same old stuff. You know,
(07:33):
they're not diving at Dwarka, India to see one of
the oldest underwater cities in the world. We know, they're
not diving off of New Orleans, Louisiana to look at
some of the ruins that are down there. And you know,
they don't want to shut rock the boat. They want
to support the current narrative of man's development approximately four
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and a half five thousand years ago. And before that,
we're apes dragging our hands on the ground and we're
hunters and gatherers, which just doesn't work anymore for me
and for many many other people that are on this program.
So there you go. So we're going to talk about
giants of Atlantis with reference to giants around the world.
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Patrick is a very thorough author and he has written extensively.
This book, by the way, Giants of Atlantis, came out
a couple of months ago, is over four hundred pages,
so very much worth your while to get it. So
today's program is Giants of Atlantis Legacy of the Fallen Race,
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and my guest is Patrick Schnard. Hey, I do tours
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connect with the pyramids. We get to climb pyramids and
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I'm always speaking about John Burke and his testing. We
will actually sit on the Lost World pyramid that John
tested and actually showed is emitting vibration. So this tour
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We get to connect with these pyramids by sitting among them.
Meditating and learning how to shift our vibration. For all
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Forward slash Tours. It's been a while since we've discussed
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the history of the giants on Earth. We've had a
number of people over the years discussing and providing evidence,
including Hugh Newman, who had a recent book on the
Giants of UK and his belief that the a race
of giants built Stonehenge and use Stonehenge and other megalithic
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sites in England. But my returning guest today has written
extensively about the giants, and I'm really happy to welcome
Patrick Sennard back with us. We haven't had Patrick since
twenty nineteen. Apparently I didn't know that his new book
is Giants of Atlantis Legacy of the Fallen Race, and
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I was intrigued because This book is over four hundred pages,
and Patrick makes a thorough assessment not only of North
American giants, but really giants around the world. So, hey, Patrick,
welcome back to Earth Ancient. It's great to see how
you been.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh, I'm great to be here. Great to be here
with you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Fantastic. Hey, let's start from the beginning. What was kind
of the And I don't think I've ever asked you this,
What did you really get interested in the giant question?
Was it because of the mountain builders and you were
in the South and you you were walking through Kahokia
or was it just a general interest in jo You know.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I did go to Kohokia, and I did, in fact
go to the mounds. In fact, I was up in
the Upper Midwest one summer with my father and the
motor home. We were going as a family trip, and
I gave Wayne May, an ancient American magazine, a call,
and he said, you know, check out the Dana and
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Hopewell Mounds. So we went to a mall. But that's
not what really sparked my interest in the giants. I
to be honest with you, I was just reading the
works of Charles Fort and also David Childress, and they
wrote a little bit about them. But then I really
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started to get interested just by you know, the idea
sparking a little bubble in my head, and I started
researching this and I said, you know, that would make
a good book. So that one idea eventually first led
to an article and a new page anthology that came
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out with Airic Bondanakin and Nick Redfern and several other authors.
And from that article I developed my first book, well
actually it was my second book, but with my first
book on giants, the Lost Brace of the Giants, And yeah,
that was a very successful book. It was a groundbreaking
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book and basically, I hate to say this, the start
of the whole movement about giants back then, and.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What you Lost Race of the Giants come out? Was
that like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh, twenty thirteen. Oh wow, it was like the beginning
of the whole thing. And I wish I was a
little more signed on that in Ancient Mysteries for contributing
to that than I am. But it was a it
was a groundbreaking piece of work. And after that, you know,
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I continue to do my research and Giants of Atlantis,
the Legacy of the Fallen Race is basically what it
is is a sequel to both of those first two
intermeditions books Forgotten Worlds and Lost Race of the Giants,
because it not only talks about giants, but talks about
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their role in Atlantean this. Yeah, I mean the name
giant comes from the Greek Gigantes, and if you really
look into its etymology and its mythological context, it goes
back to earthborn and that's because they are the products
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of Gaya in in Chronos. So they are the giants,
and in some areas of Greek mythology they're linked to Atlantis.
And I further linked them to legends of fully and
other like Lumeria, and that's something that Levatsky did. She
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connected them to le Maria and Atlantis. So I kind
of get into the esoteric areas of that and ariosopy
theospapy and really get into some of the occult aspects.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, Giantess talk a bit abouts for very few people
talk about him. He's kind of a turn of the century.
He could consider him an early version of Graham Hancock,
where he's discussing anomalies like frogs flat coming out of
the sky and stuff like that. But where does he
refer to giants? Does he go to the mounds or
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is he talking about tombs that have giant skeletons or what?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, he is like the origin of the up parts
if you know what ou parts had a place on artbacks. Yeah,
it's when it is claim the fame, and he just
basically hits it all. He hits on giants. He a
little bit on the extraterrestrial influence. So he kind of
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anticipated the whole alien theory to some extent. And so
he and HP Lovecraft, both of them kind of anticipated that.
You know HP love wrote about uh the Kusulu uh
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old ones and uh. But that that being said, Uh,
I was very fascinated by Charles Fwartz, uh uh you know,
examination of out of place artifacts, and I even got into,
like I think, if you remember me talking on our
last show, out of Place Caucasians, where you're talking about
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in mythology, you know, the light skinned almost Nordy type
aliens that uh seemed to be ever present in mythology
like I'm a Taratsu in Japan and in the sun
gods in China who built the pyramids and things like that.
So I was very fascinated by him, and Ripley's believed
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it or not because they talked a little bit about giants,
you know, like if you've ever been to the museums.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, they actually had a couple of wax versions of
the tallest man in the world is I think he
was an American. I can't remember. He was like eight
feet tall exactly. Yeah, fascinating. Talk to us about your
what you believe. The reasons are that archaeological science does
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not really take a closer look at these grave sites,
these tombs, and these ruins that you highlight in your
books that look to be built by giant humans.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think it's because it's easier just to go with
the most simplistic explanation, Oh, they were just made by
pulleys and people dragging these huge blocks of stone in
the place and using copper chisels and the simplest, easy
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to explain ways that they can say, oh, it just
was done by human ingenuity, because if they were to
admit that there was something, oh my god, something otherworldly,
it would be just too much for them to admit
and get off their high horse. But the way I
think they have found evidence, and I think that evidence
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has been kind of shoveled underneath. I think, you know,
there is a lot of rumors out there the Smithsonian,
you know, they covered up a lot of the discoveries
that were going on back in the nineteenth century, in
the early twentieth century. There's a lot of evidence for that.
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Like in the beginning of Giants of Atlantis, I talk
about the Indiana Jones scene and Raiders of Lost Arc,
the last scene of the movie where the Lost Arc
is being taken into the big warehouse, right and cams
and you just see all these creates of all these
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forbidden artifacts being hidden away.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
God, if that's true, that's so sad. That's our whole history. Yeah,
you know, I'm hoping that's just a movie the creative
mind of the writer for that movie.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Because yeah, yeah, if it's true, it is sad. And
you know that could be for all we know. Area
fifty one.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, I want to talk about a chapter that
you wrote about in this new book Giants of Atlantis,
the Preodomic period, and talk about what we know about
this period and why it's such a fascination of yours.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, the preandemic period is mentioned extensively in the Hebrew tradition.
It's it's talked about in in Kabbalistic circles, but also
in the Talmud. Uh it's reference to uh secondhandedly in
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the Bible Uh in Jeremiah and also in several areas
of Genesis, but also throughout this Talmud, which basically is
a commentary by rabbis. It's it's one of the most
prominent uh Uh scriptures of the Jewish religion. And then
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the Kabbalistic and the Zohar talks about a time before Adam.
In fact, I didn't think in ancient Aliens, I forget
his name. He's a rabbi. Who is he? That is
on ancient aliens all the time? You'll know the name.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Ancients. I don't really watch ancient aliens much anymore. Oh,
David Hatrick Sheldon.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No, No, the rabbi, I don't know, oh his name,
But anyhow, he was talking about it when they talk
about the lanes Uh, the ruler the land, the times
before there was a ruler in Israel, and so that's
like referencing this time period. But in the Kabbalah and
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different things like that, they talk about this time and
this is to me It's fascinating because I'm Christian and
I am heavily into scripture and this idea that there
was this other time before humanity, in which there was
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this vast, sophisticated, superior race, long before we ever came
to be, but on an earth, and that this civilization
or the people, if you will, lead to our civilization,
either directly or indirectly. It's just something that fascinates me,
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and I want to take it to the next level
and discuss it. So I devoted a whole chapter to this.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Right, where are the remains of these people? Would you
say that they're in uh? Because you have a whole
section on Malta and Sardinia and Italy where these are
megalithic ruins and there's some gigantic especially in Sardinia, some
magnificently large tombs. Talk a little bit about that part
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of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, in Sardinia, the theirrogic tombs, they are you know,
they're they're they're they're dated to about three thousand BC.
I think they're far older, and they they definitely look
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like they could have been moved or put into place
by someone who is beyond just a normal sized person.
They look like they could be brought in by a giant.
And they have statues and I and and and there's
been several documentaries which have shown these uh there's there's
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statues which depict these giant human beings and they not
only have this aspect of being giants, they look very
similar to the depictions you see in the Middle East,
not in Europe, but in Mesopotamia, you know, with the
Ananachi in that and so they they're very provocative, uh
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works of art to depict these giant like humans.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah. I think something about Sardinia, which I haven't been
to yet, is very sophisticated. Apparently there's belief that it
was us a great deal of very sophisticated plumbing and waterways,
and that is partially artificial, and no one really knows
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who built that. What do we know about that?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, the interesting thing is is that they actually have
fountains and cisterns and like you said, complete complete water
rays and sanitary systems built into these structures. And they
go underground and when you get down there, there's wells
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and different areas for colding water and they look just
like they were built yesterday with the same sophistication. They're clean,
polished looking, but they date to three thousand BC. They're
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very old, and they definitely do not look at all
like their three thousands of over three thousand years old
for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Right. I didn't get to the section of your book
on specifics of Sardinia, But are there tombs known, tombs
that are unusually large? I mean, I'd love to hear
about skeletal remains, but it's very unlikely that anything is published,
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simply because of the editing that's going on in historical editing.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, the sad thing is there's so much a
lack of what we would call the smoking gum, being
the skeletal remains. Everybody wants to see the skeletal remains,
and there's reports of skeletal remains, but to actually have
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them in your hand is rare. And but the other
aspect of the evidence is there is a overwhelming amount
of evidence in the historical and oral traditions talking about giants,
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you know that we did have them, that they were
present on the earth, because they're not only in mythology,
they're in recent modern historical reports, you know, like from
the nineteenth century in North America and even in our
own recent decades, we have reports of giants being found
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and then they hit the news and then within a
matter of weeks there's dead silence on them, like there's
a cover up. So we get this information coming in
and then it goes away, you know. And but we
see that with the UFO phenomenon as well. We almost
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get to it, and in every time we almost have
that essence of disclosure, we don't. And that's really the
frustrating aspect of this whole research.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, I can imagine one thing that I'd like to
hear a little bit more from you about is the
science of the giants. That'd be a book right there,
Science of the ancient Giants. It seems like there is
more of an earth bound paradigm where they are using gravity,
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they're using talleric fields. And specifically, I'd love to learn
a little bit more about the hypogem that's in Malta.
I haven't had a chance to go there, but you
have a whole section on temple tech talk about that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well. It's just amazing. First of all, I don't believe
that the temples of Malta are only like five thousand
years old. I think they're far older. Think they're more
contemporaneous with structures like go Beckley Teppe and Carrahan Teppe.
I think that as far as how old they are
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there more like that, I think they're not dated properly.
On the other hand, I mean just the fact that
when you go into certain like the Hypogeum, the residents there,
how it echoes, how it modifies sound, and the fact
that when you go to these temples, you know, if
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you bring a compass into one of these structures, the
compass goes wild. It's definitely God an electromagnetic residence, and
it's God. I mean these if you imagine this, these
structures were just carved right out of solid rock, and
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it's amazing the sophistication that went in to them. I'm
not an expert on exactly how they were created, only
that I talked a little bit about some of the
research done early on in the nineteenth century and talked
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a little bit about some of the findings in the Hypogem,
which included elongated skulls, and that was one of the
most notable finds in the Hypogeum, that these skulls were present.
And then like the skulls in Prague, they were not
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due to cranial deformation like the skulls in progress. They
had no saginal future, which is the ridge that goes,
you know, in across the head, and so yeah, they
were definitely bored in that way.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return with
my guest today, author research investigator Patrick Schnard, presenting his
new book Giants of Atlantis, will be right back. My
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guess today is research investigator author Patrick Schnard. He has
written a new book called Giants of Atlantis is a
look at very large humans living through prehistory and following
the Great Catastrophe, those that survived the floods. So there
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was a long headed race that was ancient Malta.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, and they were European in origin, just like the
Parrakas goals. At least we know that half their lineage
the one in Pracus, we're Europeans. We don't know what
the male side of that was because there was kind
of a degradation from the y chromosomes, so we don't
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know exactly where what where their male line came from.
Where we know the female line was European and they're
closest even as well as the ones in the Hypergem.
They're closest matches were north of the Black Sea or
the Celtic Fringe or Scandinavia, which is completely wild, especially
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in the case of Parracus, because you got three thousand
year old skulls that not only have European DNA, they're
long before any possible contact between Europe and the New
World would have happened. And the mainstream scientists just don't
want to hear of it. They know it's true. I mean,
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they can't deny it because mainstream scientist as some of
the ones who did the genetic testing, but they can't
explain it, so they don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, Malta is a funny island. It's another one of
these areas of the world that has a huge history,
but it has a lot of mythology too. And I'm curious,
do you feel that this could have been part of
a greater continent like Atlantis and perhaps was very sophisticated
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at one time.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, I kind of believe that the whole planet at
one time was part of this great network of civilizations.
So in my mind, Maltus Sardinia, the Near East, Europe,
the America's, the Pacific all was together in some you know,
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pre Ice age planet Earth was part of this vast network.
You know. Graham Hancock, for instance, kind of alludes to this,
and he I think that though Graham Hancock really thought,
at least when he wrote Fingerprints of the Gods, that
it was an Antarctica, I just think it was all
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over the globe. I think it was a vast network
of civilizations, much like you see today. There's not just
one nation, there's multiple nations. So I think that back
then there was just this community all around the globe
of a maritime civilization that was trading at different courts,
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going to different areas of the globe, and that they
might have had some type of aerial technology, that they
were far more advanced than our own culture today perhaps,
and that they were dominated by a race of giants.
And this becomes the premise of my book.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So when you say that it was dominated or is
that another word for ruled a king hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Of no, No, that they were just they were just
they were They were populated primarily by a vast civilization,
not necessarily rule. I don't necessarily thinking in terms of
anything like an authoritarian UH commandment. But I'm looking at
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it as a civilization that was prominent across the globe
and highly evolved, and I see the giants. You know,
when you look at mythology and they talk about, you know,
men of great stature, like even in the Book of
Mormon they talk about the Jaredite. You know, you have
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this idea of these great men of stature. You know,
some people describe them as Caucasian like some other civilizations
do not, and that they were teachers. And I do
believe that that's the case, that they were not only
UH master explorers, and as they had great statistics, they
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taught our ancestors the rudiments of civilization.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What do we know about Malta and the amazing megaliths
that we find there. Is it your belief that these
earlier pre flood civilizations were master builders of megalithic sized
stoneworks or is that just happened to happen and that
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during the Dynastic pair of the Egyptians. No.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I believe that in the pre flood world they were
very much master builders, that these structures were being built
far earlier than we believe far earlier than go back
to Jeff Beer Carahan Tepee. I think that what we're
discovering in Turkey is just the tip of the iceberg,
(37:51):
you know when you really read, and that's where the
predomic aspect goes into because you know, in the Tuma
Endo Zohar, you're getting a description of a civilization that it
was highly advanced, that could go back quite a long time.
And even in like an LDS scriptures, you have this
(38:16):
discussion of other worlds, in previous civilizations that existed before
the rise of Adam. So this mystical view of a
world before our own, if you're to use that terminology,
is at the root of what my book is about,
(38:39):
and it tries to address that. And that's why, like
when you first read the first two chapters of my book,
we discuss creation and the pre flood area era and
discuss that as a prelude to the discussions in the
rest of the book.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So pre flood is we've had Randall Carlson on and
a number of other authors who are talking about this
asteroid hit that basically ended the Younger Driest and destroyed
the great deal of the civilization's nine thousand, five hundred BC,
(39:20):
which is, you know, approximately twelve thousand years ago. What
do we know about the civilizations that were around prior
to this catastrophic event.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We only really know from what we know from scriptures
and mythological content in oral traditions, because nothing from that
era can or could have survived, other than of course,
maybe some structures. We have the presence of some sunken
(39:52):
possible sunken cities. You know, you've got Yanaguni, You've got
these structures off the Gulf of Amy, your India, you
got some possible ruins off Cuba. But other than that,
the presence of physical evidence thinking that world to ours
(40:15):
is very very thin, like even you know, genetically. What
we do have is evidence of a bottleneck sometime fifty
thousand years ago, which suggests a great catastrophe. But again
we don't know, and that's the mystery. What we should
(40:38):
be doing is everything in our power to expand on
our knowledge of that time period, and it's starting to
come out slowly, but surely. They just discovered some new
pyramids in Poland just this past week, which were from
(41:02):
the funnel beaker culture, which was a major culture within Europe.
Five thousand, five hundred years ago. So, I mean that
is amazing because you know, one usually associated ancient Poland,
little alone ancient Europe with pyramids, but that seems to
(41:23):
be the case. They were burial pyramids and they were
bound throughout the Baltic area of that country. So, and also,
I don't know if you've heard of this, the Blinker Wall.
Have you heard about.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
That sounds familiar?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
That is a structure underneath the North Sea, which is
eight thousand, five hundred years old. It's one of the
largest megastructures in Europe.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Wait a minute, the whole hall. Where's it looking? I
don't know. I think I do know about this where.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
The North Sea. It's underneath the north Sea, sixty feet
below the waves.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Called the Bleaker Wall. Yes, talk about that. I've never
heard of it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, it's sixty feet beneath the waves. It's eighty five
hundred years old. It's one of the largest and oldest
structures known now in Europe. And it is a vast wall,
basically a megalithic structure, and it dates back to that
(42:34):
time period and it was a time when that whole
area was still part of it was still above sea level.
Because at one time they had Dogger Land there, which
was the land bridge that connected Britain to Europe to me, right, Yeah,
(42:56):
and this was the last vestiage when that was above water,
and the people who lived there during the Olympic times
built this wall and is now submerged beneath the north.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So it's your feeling that this worldwide flood was very
thorough in its destruction whoever was on the surface of
the planet.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, it would have. It would have been so extensive
that we would have had little or nothing remaining of
the previous civilization. Now did did somebody? You know, you
got to ask yourself, did someone survive and then then
rebuild civilization? Well, Graham Hancock talks about that all the time,
and I believe he's right. I believe that there were survivors,
(43:46):
obviously because we're all here, but also from that group
that I identify as a lost race of giants who
were in fact teachers, and they were the ones who
helped rebuild somezation. Like even in the Bible it still
talks about the giants who survived the flood, and Goliath
(44:09):
was one of them.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, and you talk in your book about fair skin,
redheaded giants. What is what are we talking about in
terms of height and weight for these people.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, I don't believe necessarily that we're talking like twelve
foot or twenty foot people lumbering around like in some
of our mythologies. But I believe that there were men
of great stature between say six three to seven foot
in height. There were just these very large, robust, tall
(44:49):
individuals that were later, you know, compared to some of
the people that were on Earth in those days, who
might be you know, five five, six, five seven, you know,
many of that height were giants to them, you know,
these you know, And so maybe through time they became
(45:10):
more and more mythologized, where they were not only seen
as men of great statue and technological sophistication, but that
they were considered extremely tall to become giants in the mythology.
Just like I always say, certain Caucasian like civilizations later
(45:32):
became interpreted as gods in Asia. They weren't gods, but
over time they became mythologized as such because maybe they
contributed something technologically to those civilizations that warranted their mortalization
as such.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
This is the first time I've heard this, Patrick, because
I was thinking, like, you know, a lot of these
mound builders they find the crypt of a king in
one of these mounds, and it's reported that they're twelve
fourteen even one or two of that are eighteen feet tall.
That's like a monstrosity. So you're talking more. I would
(46:18):
think height variants that are somewhat more reasonable, like six
feet six feet three. That's not an obscenely tall person.
That's just somebody's who's a little bit larger than say.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
The average person at that time. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying
that because it would it would more or less explain
the genetics of what we know about people in the past,
and it would open the doors to explaining why not
(46:56):
only do we have these missive giants world whide, but
also certain types of gods and sophisticated cultures. I think
that they were giants, not just in great stature, but
also giants and their technological abilities. I think these were
an advanced civilization. It was just as human as you
(47:17):
and me, but just more advanced and sophisticated, probably even
more so than we are today. I mean, I know
when you listen to the prophecies and works of Edgar Casey,
he talks about Atlantis is a highly advanced civilization with
(47:38):
you know, crystal technologies and flying craft and things like that,
and uh so right.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean it's funny because you have a section in
your book on megalithic builders, and apparently the myths are
that they had great strength. And this is what Hugh
Newman and javiea right about in their book that they
believe that giants built Stonehenge. And I've put the Stonehedge
(48:12):
a couple of years ago, and those stone blocks are
huge the way, you know, one hundred plus tons some
of the main supports stones.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I'm a would like clip gunning. I'm not click gunning.
I'm sorry. Christopher Dunn called your name, Christopher Dunn, who
believes that the ancients had sophisticated technologies. I think that, Yeah,
the giants built Stone Hinge. Was they used sophisticated technology
to build it, more so than in Brute's strength. I
(48:48):
don't believe that they were just picking up, you know,
these stones and putting in place manually. I believe they
had the technology that made it possible.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, So what's your feeling on the
people who actually built the megalith known as Stonehenge and
perhaps Avaburry. The stoneworks that are in a circular pattern
looked like a big radio astronomy dish.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I wouldn't. I would basically, first of all, identify them
with the Elongage's skulled people, and I believe the people
we describe as giants, they're one and the same. And
I believe that they were the dominant people at that
time in Britain Northern Europe, and that they were also
(49:45):
the people who we find in Purracus, that they had
traveled that far and were interacting with other indigenous people
in that part of the world. I don't believe that
they were necessarily ruling over or dominate them, but I
believe they were interacting with them. And I believe the
same people who were in Northern Europe were building uh
(50:08):
these vast megalithic structures, erecting these stones. I believe that
these same people built Scaru Ray if you know what
that is, that's that Neolithic settlement in the Orkneys, which
is in northern Scotland and the islands there. That the
(50:28):
stone structure or these stone settlements were very sophisticated, as
sophisticated in some ways as the structures on the island
of Crete. They were very advanced. When you go there,
you know they had sanitation, They had stone cupboards to
(50:54):
put all their food and preserve their booth supply. They
were very advanced people that later just disappeared for no reason.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
My guest today is research investigator author Patrick Schnard, who
is releasing a new book called Giants of Atlantis Legacy
of a Fallen Race. This is a new book part
of his Giant series. He's been writing probably for the
last fifteen years, specifically on giant Humans will rejoin you shortly.
(52:14):
My guest today is author Patrick Shanard. He is coming
to us from Arkansas of the United States. His new book,
Giants of Atlantis, is brand new and now available on Amazon.
You mentioned go Beckley Tepe, and you also talk about
(52:36):
it in your book. Do you think that those were
larger than normal humans for the time, because at this
interview point, we don't really have skeletal remains, although they
did find a skull within the last year, but we
haven't heard anything. It's like they've been very quiet about it.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Asia, the East Asian I don't know what they're calling it.
They have a name for it. But they recently discovered
another hominid which had a larger skull than most humans.
(53:20):
So it's a possibility to that that those remains are
related to one of these people. But I think, you know,
even in Tascities Tascitas as time Uh Tacitus uh talked
about the ancient Germans as being highly, very tall and
(53:43):
very big compared to the Romans. And this is another
thing we're talking. This is where all the major megalithic
constructions took place in northern Europe and central Europe, and
we're linking uh, you know, the ancient Germans and Celps,
who are big people. You know, they were not small people.
(54:05):
They were called they were robust, and they were fair skinned,
and they seem to really fit the subscription that you're
getting all around the globe. I mean, people you're like, well,
why are they talking about red haired giants when you're
talking about these people who might never have seen a
red haired individual from Europe, Yet in the mythologies they're
(54:28):
talking about these people, so that somehow sometimes they must
have encountered people of that nature to me describing them.
So that's where the red haired giants I think come in.
And again in North America. They talk about this extensively.
(54:51):
The Sioux talk about these great white giants, and then
the pious talk about the red giants that supposedly were
there tens of thousands of years before their own people arrived,
and they were considered barbarians and cannibals in they had
(55:12):
to eliminate them, and the pious say launched genocide against
them and eventually cornered them in a cave and killed
the rest of them, and that was the end of
the story.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
What do you think is the root civilization of Gobecley
Tappy and Kraahan Teppe. I have had a chance to
see both of those sites, and they're building under the
ground or under the surface, but they're t stones that
are used to support the roof are megalithic. They're huge
(55:50):
and although rudimentary, there's very sophisticated carved images of animals
and looks like star systems constellations. The feeling is by
people like Hancock is that it is a reboot center,
a learning center. But what's your take on it?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I think, in my view, I think my theory of
an ancient giant race, I think that that's proof that
that race existed I think is probably towards the end
of their civilization, the last stronghold before the next phase
(56:30):
and human civilization took place. So we're talking towards the
end of the great reign of the Giants. That's really
what I think. What you're seeing is the final stage
and the beginning of something new. So right at the
point when giant civilization becomes modern human or now I
(56:54):
would say modern human civilization, but the civilization we would
barely identify as human from something that was a little
more beyond what we have today, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, the title of the book is Giants of Atlantis
Legacy of a Fallen Race. Does Plato talk about a
larger than normal people in Cretis his books on Atlantis?
Or are you hinting at a possible larger people, the
(57:33):
red haired race of white skins who were scattered around
the world.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I'm actually doing that. I'm hinting at this great red haired,
fair skinned race, which I'm not only linking to Atlantis,
I'm also linking to fully the Northern Atlantis, or as
the Irish call it, tyrna Ogy. The Irish have legends
(58:06):
of multiple western lands in the middle of the Atlantic
which are lost and Pitheus of Masselia, which is now
Marseille grants he was a grief explorer, went out in
the fifth century BC and explored northern Europe by sea,
(58:31):
and he wrote a book called on the Ocean. Now
that book we don't have it in its entirety, but
we have parts of it through writers like Strabo and others,
and Pliny the Elder and other classical writers have preserved
parts of it. And he just described this land called
(58:52):
fully or Fool up in the north where it was
surrounded by icebergs and a midnight sun. And then when
he got there, it was this advanced culture. It was
a thriving culture. No one was really able to figure
out exactly where was it Norway? Was this Scotland? Was
(59:13):
it Britain? Was it Iceland? I venture to say that
it wasn't in north and it's probably around where Iceland
and Greenland are now, and that there was at one
time a great northern civilization. I also think that the
Black Sea before that was flooded might have had a
(59:35):
lost civilization there as well. That also contributed to the
rumors or the tradition, if you will, of Atlantis. Maybe
Plato had heard of that great civilization that was destroyed
in the Black Sea, together say with Hilligy, which was
another Greek city that was submerged along with the and Dreamy,
(01:00:01):
another great civilization that was destroyed by a tsunami, and
together with all these different sources, drew them together and
composed the story of Atlanta, just based on multiple sources.
I think the whole idea of giants as a sophisticated,
advanced culture of people of tall stature, I believe that
(01:00:25):
that contributed to his vision.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah. I have to say, I like your reclassification of
a giant stature, Patrick. I think it's more reasonable to
consider tall people six three six' five as giants to
(01:00:51):
people who are five five five, seven which was the
Average european height around THE i guess evil period in. Before,
yeah so that really does begin to make, sense makes
it more.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Palatable, Yeah, YEAH i, MEAN i just don't see it
as far as this idea that you have these twelve
foot twenty foot. BEINGS i know that in The bible
it suggests, that And i'm not necessarily going to say,
no absolutely, not BUT i would say it's more than
(01:01:30):
likely that my interpretation is more. Correct and you, KNOW i,
KNOW i know there are those who would disagree with,
me Certainly Hugh newman. WOULD i know that the Ancient
aliens crowd tends to think that The inochy were these huge,
beings BUT i would say that even, THAT i would
(01:01:53):
say The, inachi rather than being, extraterrestrials probably were emissaries
of The spring civilization that existed On earth in the distant.
PAST i like to keep things grounded On earth rather
than in the. Stars ALTHOUGH i won't just count that
we have have been visited by extraterrestrials in the distant.
(01:02:15):
Past in, FACT i think it was likely that we.
WERE i just want to keep it grounded as much
as the evidence. Permits, yeah you, know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
NO i appreciate that we're we have a challenge supporting
ancient alien hypothesis because there's a lot there's very very
little evidence of anything that's.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Right, well there's a little evidence about the giants thing.
TOO i just like talking about it and speculating about,
it BUT i want people to know that it is.
Speculation you, know there isn't a DEFINITE i, mean the
evidence is, there but it's not it's not completely. There
there's got to be a lot more evidence before we
(01:02:58):
can just close the, book can say, yeah it. Happened
but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep looking for.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Evidence there's scattered. Evidence i've been The Cairo museum And
i've seen some coffins that are twelve feet, tall and
whoever the human was that was encased in them must
have been. Huge there's a couple of examples of very large,
coffins some in, wood some, metal and a few in
(01:03:27):
stone that were made for a very large. Human so
is that a remnant of an ancient? Race we don't, know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
But, YEAH i, mean but we do know that there
are people with you, know hormonal problems that make them
grow very that's true, too you, know And i'm certain
just as there are now people like, That i'm sure
backed in there were as. Well and we must remember
is that The egyptians inbred, themselves so there was a
(01:03:58):
lot of genetic and noma lees among the. Inclusions h you,
know they could make them very. Tall they could like
look at look at akonon his long looking face and
his long looking. Features that's a perfect. Example you could
tell that he was in. Red and Then King tutt you,
(01:04:20):
know they say that he had kind of a limp
and if you were to reconstruct his, face it's kind of.
Lotsided And saggy had a lot of deformities, because, UH
i guess he was the product of HIS i guess
his his parents were. Siblings, yeah, interbreeding, yes, Exactly and
(01:04:45):
so that's the. Case and, uh, now the one THING i,
disagreed and you want to say this With robert Ruvall,
is he said That egypt was in all black. Civilization
that's really even especially now with genetics coming. Out they
recently came out with a genomic study Of egyptians from
(01:05:06):
ancient times and they were linked to the populations Of,
mesotamia whoever then linked to the people of The Black sea,
area so they were Not African africans like In Sub Saharan.
African they did Have african elements because especially the pharaohs
(01:05:26):
when they were signing treaties With, nubia they Had nubian
princesses as. Wives so The nuans were breeding into that.
Line but the whole population Was it wasn't like you
were going to go to Ancient egypt and everybody was.
Black that's that's that's just like, saying, oh they were all.
(01:05:49):
White you, know it's not scientifically accurate to. Me they
were a multicultural, civilization.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
AND i see that every TIME i go. THERE i See, Asia, African, Centric,
caucasian and even some races that may not be on
the planet. Anymore very diverse cultural, place especially even a.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Crossroads they're the, crossroads you, know they're in a spot
On earth where everybody comes together because the populations are
going From you Got libby on one, side you got
to the, north you Got europe, exactly you Got mesopotamia
to the, south you got some say or In.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Africa and who's to say That chinese didn't come out.
There there's amazing examples Of chinese, workers various administrative. Staff
there may have even been a couple of pharaohs unknown to,
us that Were. Asian there Are asian evidences all Through,
(01:06:53):
egypt and it's funny that we don't hear more about
the multi, racial kind of a cosmopolitan environment that was
At egypt's. Peak it's very.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Odd, well The Bronze age definitely was a period and
human history that was very much like our. Own it
was a period based on trade in warfare and a
very interconnected period and when it, fell it fell, hard
(01:07:30):
and then there was a really big dark age that
came after. That but you, know and someone who wrote
a lot about this Is Eric, klein and he's a
PROFESSOR i don't know exactly what, university but he wrote
a book on this subject WHICH i, read and he
discussed The Bronze age collapse and how that was brought
(01:07:56):
about by the sea people's but also a very a
number of other, aspects including a problem with the the
the bronze, trade and when that, collapsed it basically put
it into the civilization because their whole economy was based
(01:08:18):
on the trading of. Broms because broms not only was,
valuable it was you, know it, helped you, know it met, tools,
weapons everything in. Between and without, it their civilization could
not sustain.
Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Itself, yeah. Amazing the books Called giants Of Atlantis legacy
of A Fallen. Race my guest today has Been Patrick. Snard, Hey,
patrick as we, close you have a whole chapter On,
antarctica AND i don't know really what's been found. There
if you Follow Linda Milton, howe she believes is a
(01:08:58):
huge ancient ruin that's been discovered by the military that's
kept quiet and there's evidence of. ALIENS i don't know
what to. Believe what? What what's? Uh what do you
pick up on in your?
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Research, well there was beneath the, ice there is evidence
of vast ecosystems that have survived despite the cold. TEMPERATURES
i mean they have they have life forms that rather
than based on, photosynthesis they get their nutrients directly from
(01:09:34):
the soil at the bottom of the ocean in The.
Antarctica and as far as advanced, civilizations who, knows but
that would be interesting that the pyramids that they think
are there and the so called anomalies are not extraterrestrial
but are linked to my mythical. Giants and that's basically
(01:09:56):
WHAT i talk about in that chapter of the.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Book So, oh they thought that at some point there
was a geological shift And antarctica was Once. Atlantis do
you believe that.
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It's a. Possibility i'm open minded to.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
It, Hey Patrick, gowing it's a. Pleasure good to see
you and hear from you again for those of you.
Listening giants Of atlanta's is now available On amazon and
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(01:10:34):
To patrickshanard dot Com and, uh, hey you're gonna be.
Continually you got, like what three books that you've put
out to this this. Year what's what's coming up for?
You what are the books you got?
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Releasing, WELL i got a book on dragons that's coming
out and it talks about reptoids and reptilian aliens and
the mists of dragons throughout history and what the dragons really,
are And i'm not going to tell you what they
are because that's the whole point of the. BOOK i
(01:11:08):
also Got Caucasian mummies Of china and we talk about
The charum. Mummies and then another book Called Stargate.
Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Codex, Wow Stargate codex is That egyptian?
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Stargates oh, no it's it's basically about extraterrestrial. Technology it
was about, exoplanets dice and, spheeres, wormholes and then talks
about our own civilization and the remnants of our past.
Civilizations it's links to these. Civilizations so it's more like
(01:11:43):
the ancient aliens types ancient astronaut. Theory.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Fantastic, yeah you're a prolific. Fella keep it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Up, well thank, you all, Right hey a.
Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Pleasure, patrick and appreciate you being on the.
Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
PROGRAM i appreciate it and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
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(01:12:19):
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(01:12:43):
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Wow, do you remember that what you do, haven't? The
Wizard of Oz is the movie that comes from and
that's the March of the Winkies, or as they would say,
the chant from the nineteen thirty nine movie Wizard of Oz.
And I felt that it was appropriate. I felt it
was appropriate for today's program on giants. We haven't anybody
(01:11):
talking about giants in over at least a year and
a half, maybe two years, seems to have fadd I
think the last person we had on was Hugh Newman
and his co writer Jim Vieira, and they have written
a couple of different giant books. We were talking about
European giants at that time, but today we're talking about
(01:34):
Giants of Atlantis. And my returning author research researcher is
Patrick Schnard. And Patrick hasn't been on, would you believe
since night since twenty seventeen, I think, or maybe even earlier.
We'll find out today. And giants are an interesting topic,
(01:55):
simably because here in the United States, when they were
digging into the mounds of the Mississippi Valley area, Ohio
and other parts that had significant mounds, in some cases
they found giant skeletons and when I say giants, some
(02:16):
of them were eight feet tall. And there is an
early turn of the century flood of giant sightings. It
seems like people were buying plots of land that were
once sacred to the native people of the country, of
the various regions, and they were finding very large humans. Now,
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some places in one of the places is the Catalina
Islands off the coast of Santa Barbara, California, had very
tall people in the twelve foot range. But the rumors
of people being twenty and twenty five and beyond that
are kind of stretching the reality of the situation. Hey,
(03:03):
this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients, and I've
always been fascinated in giants. About five years ago we
had an author who had written a book on Earth's
descending periods, and apparently, according to him, the dinosaurs were
created because the gravity on the planet was such that
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large animals were able to develop, be birthed, and actually
grow into huge monstrosities. If you have never seen the
skeleton of a dinosaur, go check it out at your
local natural history natural science museum. They were monstrosities, fifty
sixty ton creatures that were moving and God, if you
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had to face a t Dinosaurs Rex or any one
of those gigantic dinosaurs, you were in trouble. You were
in trouble. And there's some people that believe, and there
is growing evidence that the dinosaurs were around at the
same time there was a man mankind was around. We've
(04:13):
recently heard from Randall Carlson that the dinosaurs were basically
destroyed in a catastrophic event sixty six million years ago.
But in places like New Mexico and other parts of
the world, there is evidence of human occupation at the
same time. And the reason we know this is because
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there are footprints of dinosaurs along with footprints of human beings.
Now we don't know if these are Homo sapien. Sapien
scientists would say no, it's more like an earlier hominin
that was living at the time. But damn talk about
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a problem. If you run into the path of one
of those giant carnivore dinosaurs, you're in trouble. So anyhow,
that was that focus on that author, But he had
another book where he felt that the giants that are
rumored to have existed on Earth may have had the
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same issues where the gravity was at such a rate
that the ability to birth humans of great stature and
girth were in effect. So we don't know. It appears
that at one point science wasn't really supportive of the
(05:38):
theory of giants, and so skulls and physical remains, skeletal
remains were in some cases see appears to be covered up.
There's a lot of rumor that the Smithsonian Institute in
d Washington, d C. Sent out filled archaeologists to collect
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they remain from these mounds and we never saw them again.
In fact, this is what a number of authors that
we've had on the program have been telling us. I
think he was one as well as Jim vi Era,
that these giants were reported, and they have articles in
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their book where local journalists were chronicling the discovery of
humans that were eight feet ten feet twelve feet tall
in burial mounds, and that they were collected by field archaeologists,
brought back to the Smithsonian Institute and then either categorized
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or placed in a vulnerable position and either disintegrated or
were destroyed in a variety of manner. This has been
a problem for a while. When I first started Earth
the Ancients, everybody was down on the Smithsonian Institute and
functions like the National Geographic. This is old school science.
(07:09):
And as we begin finding evidence of an earlier civilization,
and I always say this, if they don't come up
to speed, they will kind of be lost in the shuffle.
I think, as much as I enjoy the photography and
National Geographic, I haven't picked up a National Geographic in
years because it's kind of the same old stuff. You know,
(07:33):
they're not diving at Dwarka, India to see one of
the oldest underwater cities in the world. We know, they're
not diving off of New Orleans, Louisiana to look at
some of the ruins that are down there. And you know,
they don't want to shut rock the boat. They want
to support the current narrative of man's development approximately four
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and a half five thousand years ago. And before that,
we're apes dragging our hands on the ground and we're
hunters and gatherers, which just doesn't work anymore for me
and for many many other people that are on this program.
So there you go. So we're going to talk about
giants of Atlantis with reference to giants around the world.
(08:23):
Patrick is a very thorough author and he has written extensively.
This book, by the way, Giants of Atlantis, came out
a couple of months ago, is over four hundred pages,
so very much worth your while to get it. So
today's program is Giants of Atlantis Legacy of the Fallen Race,
(08:45):
and my guest is Patrick Schnard. Hey, I do tours
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Forward slash Tours. It's been a while since we've discussed
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the history of the giants on Earth. We've had a
number of people over the years discussing and providing evidence,
including Hugh Newman, who had a recent book on the
Giants of UK and his belief that the a race
of giants built Stonehenge and use Stonehenge and other megalithic
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sites in England. But my returning guest today has written
extensively about the giants, and I'm really happy to welcome
Patrick Sennard back with us. We haven't had Patrick since
twenty nineteen. Apparently I didn't know that his new book
is Giants of Atlantis Legacy of the Fallen Race, and
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I was intrigued because This book is over four hundred pages,
and Patrick makes a thorough assessment not only of North
American giants, but really giants around the world. So, hey, Patrick,
welcome back to Earth Ancient. It's great to see how
you been.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh, I'm great to be here. Great to be here
with you and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Fantastic. Hey, let's start from the beginning. What was kind
of the And I don't think I've ever asked you this,
What did you really get interested in the giant question?
Was it because of the mountain builders and you were
in the South and you you were walking through Kahokia
or was it just a general interest in jo You know.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I did go to Kohokia, and I did, in fact
go to the mounds. In fact, I was up in
the Upper Midwest one summer with my father and the
motor home. We were going as a family trip, and
I gave Wayne May, an ancient American magazine, a call,
and he said, you know, check out the Dana and
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Hopewell Mounds. So we went to a mall. But that's
not what really sparked my interest in the giants. I
to be honest with you, I was just reading the
works of Charles Fort and also David Childress, and they
wrote a little bit about them. But then I really
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started to get interested just by you know, the idea
sparking a little bubble in my head, and I started
researching this and I said, you know, that would make
a good book. So that one idea eventually first led
to an article and a new page anthology that came
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out with Airic Bondanakin and Nick Redfern and several other authors.
And from that article I developed my first book, well
actually it was my second book, but with my first
book on giants, the Lost Brace of the Giants, And yeah,
that was a very successful book. It was a groundbreaking
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book and basically, I hate to say this, the start
of the whole movement about giants back then, and.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What you Lost Race of the Giants come out? Was
that like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh, twenty thirteen. Oh wow, it was like the beginning
of the whole thing. And I wish I was a
little more signed on that in Ancient Mysteries for contributing
to that than I am. But it was a it
was a groundbreaking piece of work. And after that, you know,
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I continue to do my research and Giants of Atlantis,
the Legacy of the Fallen Race is basically what it
is is a sequel to both of those first two
intermeditions books Forgotten Worlds and Lost Race of the Giants,
because it not only talks about giants, but talks about
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their role in Atlantean this. Yeah, I mean the name
giant comes from the Greek Gigantes, and if you really
look into its etymology and its mythological context, it goes
back to earthborn and that's because they are the products
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of Gaya in in Chronos. So they are the giants,
and in some areas of Greek mythology they're linked to Atlantis.
And I further linked them to legends of fully and
other like Lumeria, and that's something that Levatsky did. She
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connected them to le Maria and Atlantis. So I kind
of get into the esoteric areas of that and ariosopy
theospapy and really get into some of the occult aspects.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, Giantess talk a bit abouts for very few people
talk about him. He's kind of a turn of the century.
He could consider him an early version of Graham Hancock,
where he's discussing anomalies like frogs flat coming out of
the sky and stuff like that. But where does he
refer to giants? Does he go to the mounds or
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is he talking about tombs that have giant skeletons or what?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, he is like the origin of the up parts
if you know what ou parts had a place on artbacks. Yeah,
it's when it is claim the fame, and he just
basically hits it all. He hits on giants. He a
little bit on the extraterrestrial influence. So he kind of
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anticipated the whole alien theory to some extent. And so
he and HP Lovecraft, both of them kind of anticipated that.
You know HP love wrote about uh the Kusulu uh
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old ones and uh. But that that being said, Uh,
I was very fascinated by Charles Fwartz, uh uh you know,
examination of out of place artifacts, and I even got into,
like I think, if you remember me talking on our
last show, out of Place Caucasians, where you're talking about
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in mythology, you know, the light skinned almost Nordy type
aliens that uh seemed to be ever present in mythology
like I'm a Taratsu in Japan and in the sun
gods in China who built the pyramids and things like that.
So I was very fascinated by him, and Ripley's believed
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it or not because they talked a little bit about giants,
you know, like if you've ever been to the museums.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, they actually had a couple of wax versions of
the tallest man in the world is I think he
was an American. I can't remember. He was like eight
feet tall exactly. Yeah, fascinating. Talk to us about your
what you believe. The reasons are that archaeological science does
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not really take a closer look at these grave sites,
these tombs, and these ruins that you highlight in your
books that look to be built by giant humans.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think it's because it's easier just to go with
the most simplistic explanation, Oh, they were just made by
pulleys and people dragging these huge blocks of stone in
the place and using copper chisels and the simplest, easy
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to explain ways that they can say, oh, it just
was done by human ingenuity, because if they were to
admit that there was something, oh my god, something otherworldly,
it would be just too much for them to admit
and get off their high horse. But the way I
think they have found evidence, and I think that evidence
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has been kind of shoveled underneath. I think, you know,
there is a lot of rumors out there the Smithsonian,
you know, they covered up a lot of the discoveries
that were going on back in the nineteenth century, in
the early twentieth century. There's a lot of evidence for that.
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Like in the beginning of Giants of Atlantis, I talk
about the Indiana Jones scene and Raiders of Lost Arc,
the last scene of the movie where the Lost Arc
is being taken into the big warehouse, right and cams
and you just see all these creates of all these
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forbidden artifacts being hidden away.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
God, if that's true, that's so sad. That's our whole history. Yeah,
you know, I'm hoping that's just a movie the creative
mind of the writer for that movie.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Because yeah, yeah, if it's true, it is sad. And
you know that could be for all we know. Area
fifty one.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, I want to talk about a chapter that
you wrote about in this new book Giants of Atlantis,
the Preodomic period, and talk about what we know about
this period and why it's such a fascination of yours.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, the preandemic period is mentioned extensively in the Hebrew tradition.
It's it's talked about in in Kabbalistic circles, but also
in the Talmud. Uh it's reference to uh secondhandedly in
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the Bible Uh in Jeremiah and also in several areas
of Genesis, but also throughout this Talmud, which basically is
a commentary by rabbis. It's it's one of the most
prominent uh Uh scriptures of the Jewish religion. And then
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the Kabbalistic and the Zohar talks about a time before Adam.
In fact, I didn't think in ancient Aliens, I forget
his name. He's a rabbi. Who is he? That is
on ancient aliens all the time? You'll know the name.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Ancients. I don't really watch ancient aliens much anymore. Oh,
David Hatrick Sheldon.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
No, No, the rabbi, I don't know, oh his name,
But anyhow, he was talking about it when they talk
about the lanes Uh, the ruler the land, the times
before there was a ruler in Israel, and so that's
like referencing this time period. But in the Kabbalah and
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different things like that, they talk about this time and
this is to me It's fascinating because I'm Christian and
I am heavily into scripture and this idea that there
was this other time before humanity, in which there was
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this vast, sophisticated, superior race, long before we ever came
to be, but on an earth, and that this civilization
or the people, if you will, lead to our civilization,
either directly or indirectly. It's just something that fascinates me,
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and I want to take it to the next level
and discuss it. So I devoted a whole chapter to this.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Right, where are the remains of these people? Would you
say that they're in uh? Because you have a whole
section on Malta and Sardinia and Italy where these are
megalithic ruins and there's some gigantic especially in Sardinia, some
magnificently large tombs. Talk a little bit about that part
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of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, in Sardinia, the theirrogic tombs, they are you know,
they're they're they're they're dated to about three thousand BC.
I think they're far older, and they they definitely look
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like they could have been moved or put into place
by someone who is beyond just a normal sized person.
They look like they could be brought in by a giant.
And they have statues and I and and and there's
been several documentaries which have shown these uh there's there's
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statues which depict these giant human beings and they not
only have this aspect of being giants, they look very
similar to the depictions you see in the Middle East,
not in Europe, but in Mesopotamia, you know, with the
Ananachi in that and so they they're very provocative, uh
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works of art to depict these giant like humans.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah. I think something about Sardinia, which I haven't been
to yet, is very sophisticated. Apparently there's belief that it
was us a great deal of very sophisticated plumbing and waterways,
and that is partially artificial, and no one really knows
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who built that. What do we know about that?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, the interesting thing is is that they actually have
fountains and cisterns and like you said, complete complete water
rays and sanitary systems built into these structures. And they
go underground and when you get down there, there's wells
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and different areas for colding water and they look just
like they were built yesterday with the same sophistication. They're clean,
polished looking, but they date to three thousand BC. They're
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very old, and they definitely do not look at all
like their three thousands of over three thousand years old
for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Right. I didn't get to the section of your book
on specifics of Sardinia, But are there tombs known, tombs
that are unusually large? I mean, I'd love to hear
about skeletal remains, but it's very unlikely that anything is published,
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simply because of the editing that's going on in historical editing.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, the sad thing is there's so much a
lack of what we would call the smoking gum, being
the skeletal remains. Everybody wants to see the skeletal remains,
and there's reports of skeletal remains, but to actually have
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them in your hand is rare. And but the other
aspect of the evidence is there is a overwhelming amount
of evidence in the historical and oral traditions talking about giants,
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you know that we did have them, that they were
present on the earth, because they're not only in mythology,
they're in recent modern historical reports, you know, like from
the nineteenth century in North America and even in our
own recent decades, we have reports of giants being found
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and then they hit the news and then within a
matter of weeks there's dead silence on them, like there's
a cover up. So we get this information coming in
and then it goes away, you know. And but we
see that with the UFO phenomenon as well. We almost
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get to it, and in every time we almost have
that essence of disclosure, we don't. And that's really the
frustrating aspect of this whole research.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, I can imagine one thing that I'd like to
hear a little bit more from you about is the
science of the giants. That'd be a book right there,
Science of the ancient Giants. It seems like there is
more of an earth bound paradigm where they are using gravity,
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they're using talleric fields. And specifically, I'd love to learn
a little bit more about the hypogem that's in Malta.
I haven't had a chance to go there, but you
have a whole section on temple tech talk about that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well. It's just amazing. First of all, I don't believe
that the temples of Malta are only like five thousand
years old. I think they're far older. Think they're more
contemporaneous with structures like go Beckley Teppe and Carrahan Teppe.
I think that as far as how old they are
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there more like that, I think they're not dated properly.
On the other hand, I mean just the fact that
when you go into certain like the Hypogeum, the residents there,
how it echoes, how it modifies sound, and the fact
that when you go to these temples, you know, if
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you bring a compass into one of these structures, the
compass goes wild. It's definitely God an electromagnetic residence, and
it's God. I mean these if you imagine this, these
structures were just carved right out of solid rock, and
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it's amazing the sophistication that went in to them. I'm
not an expert on exactly how they were created, only
that I talked a little bit about some of the
research done early on in the nineteenth century and talked
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a little bit about some of the findings in the Hypogem,
which included elongated skulls, and that was one of the
most notable finds in the Hypogeum, that these skulls were present.
And then like the skulls in Prague, they were not
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due to cranial deformation like the skulls in progress. They
had no saginal future, which is the ridge that goes,
you know, in across the head, and so yeah, they
were definitely bored in that way.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return with
my guest today, author research investigator Patrick Schnard, presenting his
new book Giants of Atlantis, will be right back. My
(32:02):
guess today is research investigator author Patrick Schnard. He has
written a new book called Giants of Atlantis is a
look at very large humans living through prehistory and following
the Great Catastrophe, those that survived the floods. So there
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was a long headed race that was ancient Malta.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, and they were European in origin, just like the
Parrakas goals. At least we know that half their lineage
the one in Pracus, we're Europeans. We don't know what
the male side of that was because there was kind
of a degradation from the y chromosomes, so we don't
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know exactly where what where their male line came from.
Where we know the female line was European and they're
closest even as well as the ones in the Hypergem.
They're closest matches were north of the Black Sea or
the Celtic Fringe or Scandinavia, which is completely wild, especially
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in the case of Parracus, because you got three thousand
year old skulls that not only have European DNA, they're
long before any possible contact between Europe and the New
World would have happened. And the mainstream scientists just don't
want to hear of it. They know it's true. I mean,
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they can't deny it because mainstream scientist as some of
the ones who did the genetic testing, but they can't
explain it, so they don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, Malta is a funny island. It's another one of
these areas of the world that has a huge history,
but it has a lot of mythology too. And I'm curious,
do you feel that this could have been part of
a greater continent like Atlantis and perhaps was very sophisticated
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at one time.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, I kind of believe that the whole planet at
one time was part of this great network of civilizations.
So in my mind, Maltus Sardinia, the Near East, Europe,
the America's, the Pacific all was together in some you know,
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pre Ice age planet Earth was part of this vast network.
You know. Graham Hancock, for instance, kind of alludes to this,
and he I think that though Graham Hancock really thought,
at least when he wrote Fingerprints of the Gods, that
it was an Antarctica, I just think it was all
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over the globe. I think it was a vast network
of civilizations, much like you see today. There's not just
one nation, there's multiple nations. So I think that back
then there was just this community all around the globe
of a maritime civilization that was trading at different courts,
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going to different areas of the globe, and that they
might have had some type of aerial technology, that they
were far more advanced than our own culture today perhaps,
and that they were dominated by a race of giants.
And this becomes the premise of my book.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So when you say that it was dominated or is
that another word for ruled a king hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Of no, No, that they were just they were just
they were They were populated primarily by a vast civilization,
not necessarily rule. I don't necessarily thinking in terms of
anything like an authoritarian UH commandment. But I'm looking at
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it as a civilization that was prominent across the globe
and highly evolved, and I see the giants. You know,
when you look at mythology and they talk about, you know,
men of great stature, like even in the Book of
Mormon they talk about the Jaredite. You know, you have
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this idea of these great men of stature. You know,
some people describe them as Caucasian like some other civilizations
do not, and that they were teachers. And I do
believe that that's the case, that they were not only
UH master explorers, and as they had great statistics, they
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taught our ancestors the rudiments of civilization.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What do we know about Malta and the amazing megaliths
that we find there. Is it your belief that these
earlier pre flood civilizations were master builders of megalithic sized
stoneworks or is that just happened to happen and that
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during the Dynastic pair of the Egyptians. No.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I believe that in the pre flood world they were
very much master builders, that these structures were being built
far earlier than we believe far earlier than go back
to Jeff Beer Carahan Tepee. I think that what we're
discovering in Turkey is just the tip of the iceberg,
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you know when you really read, and that's where the
predomic aspect goes into because you know, in the Tuma
Endo Zohar, you're getting a description of a civilization that it
was highly advanced, that could go back quite a long time.
And even in like an LDS scriptures, you have this
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discussion of other worlds, in previous civilizations that existed before
the rise of Adam. So this mystical view of a
world before our own, if you're to use that terminology,
is at the root of what my book is about,
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and it tries to address that. And that's why, like
when you first read the first two chapters of my book,
we discuss creation and the pre flood area era and
discuss that as a prelude to the discussions in the
rest of the book.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So pre flood is we've had Randall Carlson on and
a number of other authors who are talking about this
asteroid hit that basically ended the Younger Driest and destroyed
the great deal of the civilization's nine thousand, five hundred BC,
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which is, you know, approximately twelve thousand years ago. What
do we know about the civilizations that were around prior
to this catastrophic event.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We only really know from what we know from scriptures
and mythological content in oral traditions, because nothing from that
era can or could have survived, other than of course,
maybe some structures. We have the presence of some sunken
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possible sunken cities. You know, you've got Yanaguni, You've got
these structures off the Gulf of Amy, your India, you
got some possible ruins off Cuba. But other than that,
the presence of physical evidence thinking that world to ours
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is very very thin, like even you know, genetically. What
we do have is evidence of a bottleneck sometime fifty
thousand years ago, which suggests a great catastrophe. But again
we don't know, and that's the mystery. What we should
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be doing is everything in our power to expand on
our knowledge of that time period, and it's starting to
come out slowly, but surely. They just discovered some new
pyramids in Poland just this past week, which were from
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the funnel beaker culture, which was a major culture within Europe.
Five thousand, five hundred years ago. So, I mean that
is amazing because you know, one usually associated ancient Poland,
little alone ancient Europe with pyramids, but that seems to
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be the case. They were burial pyramids and they were
bound throughout the Baltic area of that country. So, and also,
I don't know if you've heard of this, the Blinker Wall.
Have you heard about.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
That sounds familiar?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
That is a structure underneath the North Sea, which is
eight thousand, five hundred years old. It's one of the
largest megastructures in Europe.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Wait a minute, the whole hall. Where's it looking? I
don't know. I think I do know about this where.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
The North Sea. It's underneath the north Sea, sixty feet
below the waves.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Called the Bleaker Wall. Yes, talk about that. I've never
heard of it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, it's sixty feet beneath the waves. It's eighty five
hundred years old. It's one of the largest and oldest
structures known now in Europe. And it is a vast wall,
basically a megalithic structure, and it dates back to that
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time period and it was a time when that whole
area was still part of it was still above sea level.
Because at one time they had Dogger Land there, which
was the land bridge that connected Britain to Europe to me, right, Yeah,
(42:56):
and this was the last vestiage when that was above water,
and the people who lived there during the Olympic times
built this wall and is now submerged beneath the north.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So it's your feeling that this worldwide flood was very
thorough in its destruction whoever was on the surface of
the planet.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, it would have. It would have been so extensive
that we would have had little or nothing remaining of
the previous civilization. Now did did somebody? You know, you
got to ask yourself, did someone survive and then then
rebuild civilization? Well, Graham Hancock talks about that all the time,
and I believe he's right. I believe that there were survivors,
(43:46):
obviously because we're all here, but also from that group
that I identify as a lost race of giants who
were in fact teachers, and they were the ones who
helped rebuild somezation. Like even in the Bible it still
talks about the giants who survived the flood, and Goliath
(44:09):
was one of them.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, and you talk in your book about fair skin,
redheaded giants. What is what are we talking about in
terms of height and weight for these people.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, I don't believe necessarily that we're talking like twelve
foot or twenty foot people lumbering around like in some
of our mythologies. But I believe that there were men
of great stature between say six three to seven foot
in height. There were just these very large, robust, tall
(44:49):
individuals that were later, you know, compared to some of
the people that were on Earth in those days, who
might be you know, five five, six, five seven, you know,
many of that height were giants to them, you know,
these you know, And so maybe through time they became
(45:10):
more and more mythologized, where they were not only seen
as men of great statue and technological sophistication, but that
they were considered extremely tall to become giants in the mythology.
Just like I always say, certain Caucasian like civilizations later
(45:32):
became interpreted as gods in Asia. They weren't gods, but
over time they became mythologized as such because maybe they
contributed something technologically to those civilizations that warranted their mortalization
as such.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
This is the first time I've heard this, Patrick, because
I was thinking, like, you know, a lot of these
mound builders they find the crypt of a king in
one of these mounds, and it's reported that they're twelve
fourteen even one or two of that are eighteen feet tall.
That's like a monstrosity. So you're talking more. I would
(46:18):
think height variants that are somewhat more reasonable, like six
feet six feet three. That's not an obscenely tall person.
That's just somebody's who's a little bit larger than say.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
The average person at that time. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying
that because it would it would more or less explain
the genetics of what we know about people in the past,
and it would open the doors to explaining why not
(46:56):
only do we have these missive giants world whide, but
also certain types of gods and sophisticated cultures. I think
that they were giants, not just in great stature, but
also giants and their technological abilities. I think these were
an advanced civilization. It was just as human as you
(47:17):
and me, but just more advanced and sophisticated, probably even
more so than we are today. I mean, I know
when you listen to the prophecies and works of Edgar Casey,
he talks about Atlantis is a highly advanced civilization with
(47:38):
you know, crystal technologies and flying craft and things like that,
and uh so right.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean it's funny because you have a section in
your book on megalithic builders, and apparently the myths are
that they had great strength. And this is what Hugh
Newman and javiea right about in their book that they
believe that giants built Stonehenge. And I've put the Stonehedge
(48:12):
a couple of years ago, and those stone blocks are
huge the way, you know, one hundred plus tons some
of the main supports stones.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I'm a would like clip gunning. I'm not click gunning.
I'm sorry. Christopher Dunn called your name, Christopher Dunn, who
believes that the ancients had sophisticated technologies. I think that, Yeah,
the giants built Stone Hinge. Was they used sophisticated technology
to build it, more so than in Brute's strength. I
(48:48):
don't believe that they were just picking up, you know,
these stones and putting in place manually. I believe they
had the technology that made it possible.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, So what's your feeling on the
people who actually built the megalith known as Stonehenge and
perhaps Avaburry. The stoneworks that are in a circular pattern
looked like a big radio astronomy dish.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I wouldn't. I would basically, first of all, identify them
with the Elongage's skulled people, and I believe the people
we describe as giants, they're one and the same. And
I believe that they were the dominant people at that
time in Britain Northern Europe, and that they were also
(49:45):
the people who we find in Purracus, that they had
traveled that far and were interacting with other indigenous people
in that part of the world. I don't believe that
they were necessarily ruling over or dominate them, but I
believe they were interacting with them. And I believe the
same people who were in Northern Europe were building uh
(50:08):
these vast megalithic structures, erecting these stones. I believe that
these same people built Scaru Ray if you know what
that is, that's that Neolithic settlement in the Orkneys, which
is in northern Scotland and the islands there. That the
(50:28):
stone structure or these stone settlements were very sophisticated, as
sophisticated in some ways as the structures on the island
of Crete. They were very advanced. When you go there,
you know they had sanitation, They had stone cupboards to
(50:54):
put all their food and preserve their booth supply. They
were very advanced people that later just disappeared for no reason.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
My guest today is research investigator author Patrick Schnard, who
is releasing a new book called Giants of Atlantis Legacy
of a Fallen Race. This is a new book part
of his Giant series. He's been writing probably for the
last fifteen years, specifically on giant Humans will rejoin you shortly.
(52:14):
My guest today is author Patrick Shanard. He is coming
to us from Arkansas of the United States. His new book,
Giants of Atlantis, is brand new and now available on Amazon.
You mentioned go Beckley Tepe, and you also talk about
(52:36):
it in your book. Do you think that those were
larger than normal humans for the time, because at this
interview point, we don't really have skeletal remains, although they
did find a skull within the last year, but we
haven't heard anything. It's like they've been very quiet about it.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Asia, the East Asian I don't know what they're calling it.
They have a name for it. But they recently discovered
another hominid which had a larger skull than most humans.
(53:20):
So it's a possibility to that that those remains are
related to one of these people. But I think, you know,
even in Tascities Tascitas as time Uh Tacitus uh talked
about the ancient Germans as being highly, very tall and
(53:43):
very big compared to the Romans. And this is another
thing we're talking. This is where all the major megalithic
constructions took place in northern Europe and central Europe, and
we're linking uh, you know, the ancient Germans and Celps,
who are big people. You know, they were not small people.
(54:05):
They were called they were robust, and they were fair skinned,
and they seem to really fit the subscription that you're
getting all around the globe. I mean, people you're like, well,
why are they talking about red haired giants when you're
talking about these people who might never have seen a
red haired individual from Europe, Yet in the mythologies they're
(54:28):
talking about these people, so that somehow sometimes they must
have encountered people of that nature to me describing them.
So that's where the red haired giants I think come in.
And again in North America. They talk about this extensively.
(54:51):
The Sioux talk about these great white giants, and then
the pious talk about the red giants that supposedly were
there tens of thousands of years before their own people arrived,
and they were considered barbarians and cannibals in they had
(55:12):
to eliminate them, and the pious say launched genocide against
them and eventually cornered them in a cave and killed
the rest of them, and that was the end of
the story.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
What do you think is the root civilization of Gobecley
Tappy and Kraahan Teppe. I have had a chance to
see both of those sites, and they're building under the
ground or under the surface, but they're t stones that
are used to support the roof are megalithic. They're huge
(55:50):
and although rudimentary, there's very sophisticated carved images of animals
and looks like star systems constellations. The feeling is by
people like Hancock is that it is a reboot center,
a learning center. But what's your take on it?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I think, in my view, I think my theory of
an ancient giant race, I think that that's proof that
that race existed I think is probably towards the end
of their civilization, the last stronghold before the next phase
(56:30):
and human civilization took place. So we're talking towards the
end of the great reign of the Giants. That's really
what I think. What you're seeing is the final stage
and the beginning of something new. So right at the
point when giant civilization becomes modern human or now I
(56:54):
would say modern human civilization, but the civilization we would
barely identify as human from something that was a little
more beyond what we have today, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, the title of the book is Giants of Atlantis
Legacy of a Fallen Race. Does Plato talk about a
larger than normal people in Cretis his books on Atlantis?
Or are you hinting at a possible larger people, the
(57:33):
red haired race of white skins who were scattered around
the world.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I'm actually doing that. I'm hinting at this great red haired,
fair skinned race, which I'm not only linking to Atlantis,
I'm also linking to fully the Northern Atlantis, or as
the Irish call it, tyrna Ogy. The Irish have legends
(58:06):
of multiple western lands in the middle of the Atlantic
which are lost and Pitheus of Masselia, which is now
Marseille grants he was a grief explorer, went out in
the fifth century BC and explored northern Europe by sea,
(58:31):
and he wrote a book called on the Ocean. Now
that book we don't have it in its entirety, but
we have parts of it through writers like Strabo and others,
and Pliny the Elder and other classical writers have preserved
parts of it. And he just described this land called
(58:52):
fully or Fool up in the north where it was
surrounded by icebergs and a midnight sun. And then when
he got there, it was this advanced culture. It was
a thriving culture. No one was really able to figure
out exactly where was it Norway? Was this Scotland? Was
(59:13):
it Britain? Was it Iceland? I venture to say that
it wasn't in north and it's probably around where Iceland
and Greenland are now, and that there was at one
time a great northern civilization. I also think that the
Black Sea before that was flooded might have had a
(59:35):
lost civilization there as well. That also contributed to the
rumors or the tradition, if you will, of Atlantis. Maybe
Plato had heard of that great civilization that was destroyed
in the Black Sea, together say with Hilligy, which was
another Greek city that was submerged along with the and Dreamy,
(01:00:01):
another great civilization that was destroyed by a tsunami, and
together with all these different sources, drew them together and
composed the story of Atlanta, just based on multiple sources.
I think the whole idea of giants as a sophisticated,
advanced culture of people of tall stature, I believe that
(01:00:25):
that contributed to his vision.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah. I have to say, I like your reclassification of
a giant stature, Patrick. I think it's more reasonable to
consider tall people six three six' five as giants to
(01:00:51):
people who are five five five, seven which was the
Average european height around THE i guess evil period in. Before,
yeah so that really does begin to make, sense makes
it more.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Palatable, Yeah, YEAH i, MEAN i just don't see it
as far as this idea that you have these twelve
foot twenty foot. BEINGS i know that in The bible
it suggests, that And i'm not necessarily going to say,
no absolutely, not BUT i would say it's more than
(01:01:30):
likely that my interpretation is more. Correct and you, KNOW i,
KNOW i know there are those who would disagree with,
me Certainly Hugh newman. WOULD i know that the Ancient
aliens crowd tends to think that The inochy were these huge,
beings BUT i would say that even, THAT i would
(01:01:53):
say The, inachi rather than being, extraterrestrials probably were emissaries
of The spring civilization that existed On earth in the distant.
PAST i like to keep things grounded On earth rather
than in the. Stars ALTHOUGH i won't just count that
we have have been visited by extraterrestrials in the distant.
(01:02:15):
Past in, FACT i think it was likely that we.
WERE i just want to keep it grounded as much
as the evidence. Permits, yeah you, know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
NO i appreciate that we're we have a challenge supporting
ancient alien hypothesis because there's a lot there's very very
little evidence of anything that's.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Right, well there's a little evidence about the giants thing.
TOO i just like talking about it and speculating about,
it BUT i want people to know that it is.
Speculation you, know there isn't a DEFINITE i, mean the
evidence is, there but it's not it's not completely. There
there's got to be a lot more evidence before we
(01:02:58):
can just close the, book can say, yeah it. Happened
but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep looking for.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Evidence there's scattered. Evidence i've been The Cairo museum And
i've seen some coffins that are twelve feet, tall and
whoever the human was that was encased in them must
have been. Huge there's a couple of examples of very large,
coffins some in, wood some, metal and a few in
(01:03:27):
stone that were made for a very large. Human so
is that a remnant of an ancient? Race we don't, know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
But, YEAH i, mean but we do know that there
are people with you, know hormonal problems that make them
grow very that's true, too you, know And i'm certain
just as there are now people like, That i'm sure
backed in there were as. Well and we must remember
is that The egyptians inbred, themselves so there was a
(01:03:58):
lot of genetic and noma lees among the. Inclusions h you,
know they could make them very. Tall they could like
look at look at akonon his long looking face and
his long looking. Features that's a perfect. Example you could
tell that he was in. Red and Then King tutt you,
(01:04:20):
know they say that he had kind of a limp
and if you were to reconstruct his, face it's kind of.
Lotsided And saggy had a lot of deformities, because, UH
i guess he was the product of HIS i guess
his his parents were. Siblings, yeah, interbreeding, yes, Exactly and
(01:04:45):
so that's the. Case and, uh, now the one THING i,
disagreed and you want to say this With robert Ruvall,
is he said That egypt was in all black. Civilization
that's really even especially now with genetics coming. Out they
recently came out with a genomic study Of egyptians from
(01:05:06):
ancient times and they were linked to the populations Of,
mesotamia whoever then linked to the people of The Black sea,
area so they were Not African africans like In Sub Saharan.
African they did Have african elements because especially the pharaohs
(01:05:26):
when they were signing treaties With, nubia they Had nubian
princesses as. Wives so The nuans were breeding into that.
Line but the whole population Was it wasn't like you
were going to go to Ancient egypt and everybody was.
Black that's that's that's just like, saying, oh they were all.
(01:05:49):
White you, know it's not scientifically accurate to. Me they
were a multicultural, civilization.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
AND i see that every TIME i go. THERE i See, Asia, African, Centric,
caucasian and even some races that may not be on
the planet. Anymore very diverse cultural, place especially even a.
Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Crossroads they're the, crossroads you, know they're in a spot
On earth where everybody comes together because the populations are
going From you Got libby on one, side you got
to the, north you Got europe, exactly you Got mesopotamia
to the, south you got some say or In.
Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Africa and who's to say That chinese didn't come out.
There there's amazing examples Of chinese, workers various administrative. Staff
there may have even been a couple of pharaohs unknown to,
us that Were. Asian there Are asian evidences all Through,
(01:06:53):
egypt and it's funny that we don't hear more about
the multi, racial kind of a cosmopolitan environment that was
At egypt's. Peak it's very.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Odd, well The Bronze age definitely was a period and
human history that was very much like our. Own it
was a period based on trade in warfare and a
very interconnected period and when it, fell it fell, hard
(01:07:30):
and then there was a really big dark age that
came after. That but you, know and someone who wrote
a lot about this Is Eric, klein and he's a
PROFESSOR i don't know exactly what, university but he wrote
a book on this subject WHICH i, read and he
discussed The Bronze age collapse and how that was brought
(01:07:56):
about by the sea people's but also a very a
number of other, aspects including a problem with the the
the bronze, trade and when that, collapsed it basically put
it into the civilization because their whole economy was based
(01:08:18):
on the trading of. Broms because broms not only was,
valuable it was you, know it, helped you, know it met, tools,
weapons everything in. Between and without, it their civilization could
not sustain.
Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Itself, yeah. Amazing the books Called giants Of Atlantis legacy
of A Fallen. Race my guest today has Been Patrick. Snard, Hey,
patrick as we, close you have a whole chapter On,
antarctica AND i don't know really what's been found. There
if you Follow Linda Milton, howe she believes is a
(01:08:58):
huge ancient ruin that's been discovered by the military that's
kept quiet and there's evidence of. ALIENS i don't know
what to. Believe what? What what's? Uh what do you
pick up on in your?
Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Research, well there was beneath the, ice there is evidence
of vast ecosystems that have survived despite the cold. TEMPERATURES
i mean they have they have life forms that rather
than based on, photosynthesis they get their nutrients directly from
(01:09:34):
the soil at the bottom of the ocean in The.
Antarctica and as far as advanced, civilizations who, knows but
that would be interesting that the pyramids that they think
are there and the so called anomalies are not extraterrestrial
but are linked to my mythical. Giants and that's basically
(01:09:56):
WHAT i talk about in that chapter of the.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Book So, oh they thought that at some point there
was a geological shift And antarctica was Once. Atlantis do
you believe that.
Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It's a. Possibility i'm open minded to.
Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
It, Hey Patrick, gowing it's a. Pleasure good to see
you and hear from you again for those of you.
Listening giants Of atlanta's is now available On amazon and
you can get your copy there as well As patrick's other,
books and if you want more information On patrick go
(01:10:34):
To patrickshanard dot Com and, uh, hey you're gonna be.
Continually you got, like what three books that you've put
out to this this. Year what's what's coming up for?
You what are the books you got?
Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Releasing, WELL i got a book on dragons that's coming
out and it talks about reptoids and reptilian aliens and
the mists of dragons throughout history and what the dragons really,
are And i'm not going to tell you what they
are because that's the whole point of the. BOOK i
(01:11:08):
also Got Caucasian mummies Of china and we talk about
The charum. Mummies and then another book Called Stargate.
Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Codex, Wow Stargate codex is That egyptian?
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Stargates oh, no it's it's basically about extraterrestrial. Technology it
was about, exoplanets dice and, spheeres, wormholes and then talks
about our own civilization and the remnants of our past.
Civilizations it's links to these. Civilizations so it's more like
(01:11:43):
the ancient aliens types ancient astronaut. Theory.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Fantastic, yeah you're a prolific. Fella keep it.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Up, well thank, you all, Right hey a.
Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Pleasure, patrick and appreciate you being on the.
Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
PROGRAM i appreciate it and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
ON i wanted to remind everybody that this book just came.
Out you can see it On, amazon and it's available
pretty much any place you get, books but most notably On.
Amazon all Of patrick's books are available On. Amazon you
(01:12:19):
can go back to twenty seventeen when he released his first,
Book The Lost race of The, giants and then he
Mentioned Forgotten. World that was Another Inner traditions publisher published.
Book but he's also he's written extensively about The aryan.
Race he's got a book Called unlocking The Aryan code
(01:12:43):
and then the book called A Brief history of The Slavic.
Race so he is on. It he's writing, constantly so
good to catch up With. Patrick, HEY i want to
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