Paul Anthony Wallis: Escaping From Eden

What were the world’s ancestral stories before they became viewed as fiction and fable? What was the Bible before it became a book about God? And if the Bible was not about God, what was it our ancestors wanted us to know?The Eden Conspiracy reveals evidence of ancient ET contact in the Bible’s deep past, along with forgotten secrets about human progress, political power, emotional intelligence and human potential. This book will take you around the world from Australia to Brazil, Guatemala, Ghana, Kenya, Italy, Scotland, England, Israel, Palestine, and ancient Sumeria. The Eden Conspiracy visits archeological sites in the Levant which hold clues of ancient experiences of close encounters, and sits at the feet of world-class scholars and senior figures in military intelligence, whose privileged information concerns the hidden layers of covert government in the deep past and in the present day.The Eden Conspiracy reveals how we can recover our ancestors’ wisdom and build a better future. It lifts the lid on why this layer of information was edited and translated out of the Bible? Who made these changes, how, when, and with what agenda? And what does any of this have to do with ETs?

Paul Anthony Wallis is an internationally Bestselling Author, whose books probe the world's ancestral narratives for their insight into human origins, human potential and our place in the cosmos. As a Senior Churchman, Paul served for 33 years as a Church Doctor, a Theological Educator, and an Archdeacon in the Anglican Church in Australia. He has published numerous titles on christian mysticism and spirituality and is a popular speaker at conferences around the world.Paul is known for his bestselling series of titles in paleocontact. George Noory hailed Paul's 2020 book "ESCAPING FROM EDEN" as "This generation's 'Chariots of the Gods!'" propelling Paul onto the international stage as the go-to-guy in the field of paleocontact.The 2021 sequel "THE SCARS OF EDEN" was endorsed by the legendary Erich Von Daniken, followed up in 2022 by "ECHOES OF EDEN" and in 2023 by "THE EDEN CONSPIRACY," both endorsed by George Noory. 2024 sees the release of "THE INVASION OF EDEN," endorsed by Laura Eisenhower.Paul's interviews and documentaries on the Paul Wallis Channel and The 5th Kind and El Quinto Tipo are watched by millions worldwide.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
All right, you've pressed start and we are on our
way to another Earth Ancients podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
This is Cliff, your host, and I hope you're doing
well today. I am preparing to leave for Yucatan next
Thursday the eighth. I'm gonna leave a day early, just
because I like to settle in and get ready for
people who show up. That is gonna be a fun tour.
I have not been to Yucatan, Mexico since the pandemic,

(00:48):
and I'm gonna be joined by Mimo Gonzalez, who is
a second generation tour guide, and he has all kinds
of stuff to tell me. The archaeological parks are still
there that she needs, ushmo Ek Balaam, the black Jaguar,
the whole punk route, which is the Saylo and Labna,

(01:09):
just some of the most beautiful and elegant Mayan cities
in all of the Maya domain. That's that's north of
the North Yucatan. And what we're discovering is, and this
is something I've been wanting to have happened in a
while for a while, is that they are just they're

(01:29):
doing more lightar scans, this very special laser scanning of
the you could call it biasphere, the jungle area that
surrounds these Mayan cities that I have just mentioned, and
what they're discovering is the similar kind of a layout
that we find in Guatemala, which are city after city
after city. Now, lightar is a wonderful tool for archaeologists

(01:53):
and it's revolutionized archaeological research for this simple reason that
they can fly a drone or a plane or a
helicopter over a region, shoot this laser down. It removes
the foliage, just the bushes, the trees, the moss, even
up to a couple of feet of groundcover and reveal

(02:17):
these buildings. And they're uncovering layers and layers and cities
next to cities. I would love to see Ina, the
archaeological community of Mexico do a thorough scan and really
let the cat out of the bag, because I have
known for a couple decades, based on the contact that

(02:42):
I've had with elders, the Mayan elders in that region,
that there are cities littered everywhere. And we know this
not only because of the sock bees, which are the
white roads that connect these cities that have been in
a in existence for thousands of years, but also because

(03:05):
there are documents, historical records when the conquistadors of Spanish
came and began settling in there and conquering the Maya
in the fifteen hundreds. So this is very important data.
I am excited again because I haven't been down there.

(03:26):
If you can, it's a very inexpensive trip to fly
from the United States to Mexico, and then you just
take a cab or you take a car and you
go to these places. And when you enter these archaeological parks,
they're wonderful. They are well preserved. Some of the bigger

(03:46):
locations like Chichen Eats and Ushmo have been pains takingly
excavated and what they call consolidated so that the buildings
are as good as they can get them.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Up until.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Fifteen years ago, you could actually climb these pyramids. Why
they don't allow people to even touch the buildings that
Chichenisa is very very sad. There's a lot of discussion.
I think one of the bigger issues now is that
because of this Maya train that swings right by Chichenisa
has a stop there. They're looking at millions of more

(04:25):
people entering these sacred areas, and so they're just coordinating
everything off, which is kind of a it's not a
great thing. It's not because you need to connect with
these places. And one of the things that we'll be
talking about on this tour is the energy. Now we

(04:46):
now know by through NASA and people like John Burke
that the older pyramids are active, meaning that they're sitting
on tolluric energy fields which are part of lay lines.
What we I don't know, and I'd love for somebody
to begin studying this again, is why they would run
channels of water underneath these pyramids and the lay lands.

(05:11):
There's some chemical component, there's some combustion, there's some electric
energy magnification that's going on inside these pyramids, and then
they're bursting forth with this tilleric energy. Some people believe
that Tesla, in his Warningcliffe tower that he built, had

(05:31):
the idea that the atmosphere could be charged with electricity
and that you could power all kinds of not only
was it good for communication, but you could power all
kinds of vehicles with this energy. And the thinking is
that this is what the Maya did. Now, we're not
saying that the Maya had craft that flew and drove

(05:55):
on the sockbies. But I do believe that they did
have the wheel. I think the mile we're more into
the energetics of Tuller energy fields, and we're using it
to enhance their cognition, perhaps physical health, and I mean
on a real extreme thought possibility, on a high end level.

(06:21):
Perhaps they were channeling by locating, doing all kinds of
stuff when it comes to using power. Now we're going
to be speaking to Paul Anthony Wallace today, who has
written the Eden series. We're going to focus on Escaping
from Eating his first book that came out in twenty twenty.

(06:42):
He is of the belief that aliens came and not
only created us through a hybridization program, but that much
of our history, most notably in the Bible, can betributed
to alien interaction. Now this is not Eric Donnegan ancient aliens.
This is more religious side of it. Remember, if you

(07:04):
don't know who Paul Wallace's will know about, we'll hear
about him later today. But he's an archdeacon, former archdeacon,
church doctor in Australia, and so he fell upon some
data that we're going to hear about today and it
helped him reinterpret Genesis and also other sections of the

(07:25):
Bible in a new way. Some people feel its a
revolutionary way. I have, as you know, have a challenge
with ancient aliens because I think they go a little
too extreme and anything that can't be explained as the
work of aliens. I'm more with Graham Hancock, which is
there was an epic or there was an epoch where

(07:46):
Earth humans were very advanced and could create pyramids that
generated energy, use that energy in a certain way, you know.
And the thing is we read about the vamanas. How
did the vimanas? How were they powered? Were they powered
through turillerg energy? Where they powered through mercury? Some people

(08:10):
believe that they were powered through mercury engines.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Until if somebody finds one of these things. Now, when
someone uncovers of Amana, if that ever happens, that's going
to change everything. So we can only cross our fingers.
So this trip into Mexico, I will be chronicling with
my new camera, so I'll bring back photos of some
of the new unveilings. They've done some excavations at Ushmol,

(08:38):
They've done some re open some sections of Labna and
sail in the golf portion of the Peninsula, and then
we're going to go to a new area of ek
Baalam that they've discovered with some fascinating figurines, stucco figurines

(08:59):
that have just been on Earth. They found a whole
what they call apartment section that has wall figurines that
are just beautiful, just fabulous. So I'll report back to
you on that. I want to also mention that we
have now filled our Repanui Easter Island tour March fifteenth

(09:19):
to twenty third. If you are on the fence about
joining us, what you need to do is send me
an email, send it to send it to earth Ancients
for you at gmail dot com and say Cliff I'd
like to join you. We're going to create a small
waiting list and we will open the door for probably

(09:40):
a handful of three to five more people who want
to join us. If you want to know about that
tour again, it's March fifteenth to the twenty third, twenty
twenty five. You can go to earth Ancients dot com
forward slash tours and see the entire itinerary. And this
is a special group. It's a small group of about
twenty plus people that will be led by doctor Ed Barnhard,

(10:04):
who is going to show us some very unusual and
also off the beaten path sites on Easter Island and
we're gonna have a blast. I'm really really looking forward
to it. So again, if you're interested in that tour,
you won't be hearing any more ads about it because
we're full. But we are taking a handful of additional people,

(10:27):
almost a first come first sort of get on the
list and we'll see if we can get you on there. Again,
if you want to ask me a question about it,
you got my address at Earth Ancients for you at
gmail dot com. So today's program is with Paul. Anthony
Wallace is the Escaping from Eden. He has a number
of books that have come out since Escape Escaping from

(10:50):
Eden has been released. The latest book is Echoes of Eden.
And what's fascinating about Paul is he calls himself a
paleo contact researcher, paleo meaning extremely old in the ancient past,
obviously contact and this is the alien et contact with Earthlings.

(11:14):
The conversation delves into today's contact with UAPs and his
belief on who they are and their link to the
current Homo sapien sapiens that are here. Remember, his belief
is that we are highbred as we are a creation

(11:35):
from an alien race. And what makes this interview much
more palatable than the simple ancient alien theme is the
fact that he backs up all of his claims based
on Bible, based on Bible passages, based on ancient literature.
And what's even more fascinating for me is when I

(11:57):
asked him if he had any connection with zach Karaz Sichen,
who was a very big an Anachi person, ancient alien advocate.
He didn't know about Zacharai Sitchen and he made a
point of not using Sitchen's material as reference. Now that's refreshing.

(12:18):
So see what you think, and I hope you enjoyed
the program today. So today we are again presenting Escape
from Eden. My guest is Paul Anthony Wallace, roll about

(13:01):
the ancient past, the known history, but it's a great
deal of unknown history that we feature each week on
Earth Ancients. And this week we are introducing someone who
I have just discovered, which is funny because he's been
around for a few years now, and that is Paul
Anthony Wallace. And let me tell you a little bit

(13:22):
about him. He is an internationally best selling author whose
books pro world ancestral narratives. He's what he calls a
paleo contact specialist, and that is something that will discover.
But what makes Paul unique is that he is a
senior churchman. He served thirty three years as a church doctor,

(13:47):
a theological educator and an archdeacon in the Anglican Church
in Australia, and he is coming to us from Australia.
What Paul written is a series of books on the
ancient past. The one I'm reading right now is called
Echoes of Eden. But he has a series of books

(14:09):
that look at our beginnings from really the biblical past.
But also he includes uniformed tablets and other research material
to make these books fascinating and very very readable. So
today we're going to introduce Paul and we're going to
get a sense of what he's been talking about and

(14:30):
what he feels is perhaps a narrative of our ancient
past that is not presented in quite the light that
he has presented in these books. So hey, Paul, welcome
to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you on the program.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Get a Cliff, thanks for having me today.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Talk a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
The beginnings of this important research. These books on Eden
and you actually highlight this are based on your decipherment
of ancient texts or a new way to view the
writing of the Bible.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yes, you've said it beautifully.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Of those roles that you've mentioned through my thirty three
years in church based ministry, the one that really got
me into this territory was the role of theological educator
because the topic that I trained pastors in is the
discipline of hermeneutics. So that's the principles of interpretation of

(15:32):
ancient text in particular for passes. Of course, they're looking
at the Bible, and so I would teach them to
do source analysis. I'll we reading the original version of
this story. If not, where did it come from? And
how did it look before it looked like this form analysis?
What kind of literature is this we're reading? How should

(15:55):
we read it? And then the fundamental question what do
the words mean? And these are the things that we
explore in hermeneutics. And what happened is as I mentioned
in the first of my Palio contact books, which is
this one escaping from Eden. I suffered from an ultimate

(16:15):
frisbee injury, which is a code actually for a number
of times where I've been given the opportunity to take
a pause between assignments and just do my own research
for its own sake, So instead of reading the Bible
for the sake of a sermon on Sunday morning, really

(16:36):
plumbing the interesting questions that pastors often don't have the
time to dig into. And anyone who.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Reads the Bible will come away with questions.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
And some of these questions are so obvious a child
will ask them if they.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Read even a kid's Bible.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Why does God say, let us make let us make
the humans to look like one of us? Does that
one of whom look like? If we're talking about God?
And then you get into the Genesis three story, how
could God fail to anticipate what was going to happen?
How could he punish people who had no sense of

(17:15):
right and wrong because it hadn't been provided to them,
They hadn't been upgraded to that point. How can the
God character want the humans so unintelligent they don't even
know they're naked, keeping them at an animal level. And
then some other figure who on earth is that wants
them to have a happier, more sophisticated human experience. Now
I've got the God character obliterating the human race save

(17:38):
for one family. I thought it was a God of love.
These are very obvious questions that you'll be asking before
your six chapters into the book let alone, when you
get further in and there's very violent, brutal behavior that
is all credited to the God character. And when I
had this period between pastorates, I went back to those

(18:01):
kinds of questions and I tackled them as Bible translation questions.
What happens if we read these stories according to the
root meanings of the words rather than conventional translations that
have grown up over the centuries. If we go back
to the Hebrew and go back to the root meanings,

(18:22):
what story emerges in the most primitive reading? And I
found very quickly that what emerges is a story of
patio contacts.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
And I remembered enough.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of my theological training to realize that the stories that
emerge are actually a summary form of the narratives from
out of ancient Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, and that
many of our familiar God's stories are actually based on
stories of sky people in the Mesopotamian texts and of course,

(18:56):
we have a word today for Skype people. We would
say extraterresque, we would say Aliens, we would say other civilizations.
And the fact that the stories parallel them so closely
made me look at the Bible in a completely fresh way.
And I realized that the patio contact theme really extends

(19:18):
from page one to the final page of the Bible.
And that was the little white rabbit that got me
onto this whole territory.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
What is the impetus for you to leave what we
believe are human figures in the Bible and move into
creator gods?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean, I can immediately think of Zachariah Sitchen. Maybe
you picked up his books. He is interpreting Sumerian uniform
clay tablets, according to him, deciphering them and seeing how
the Sumerians and those before them are interacting with these

(20:03):
creator guides. Was Sitchen somebody that you relied on or
was it other documents that you made the connection and
began to cross over?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yep, Well, not only did I not rely on Sitchin.
I'd never heard of Zechariah Sitchin when I did my research,
and it was only as I was finishing off Escaping
from Eden that I suddenly discovered Zechariah Sichin and who
he was, And I thought, oh, okay, should I pause

(20:40):
and read everything Zechariah Sitchin wrote on this, get my
head around that, and then get back to writing my book.
Or would it be more interesting if I apply my
logic to my data, and then if I reached similar
conclusions to Sitchin, that's interesting for the reader. Yeah, And
they might say, oh, here are two people with completely

(21:02):
different start points, completely different backgrounds, and they've reached similar conclusions.
Wouldn't that be more interesting? And so I made that
my decision. And so to this day I've not read
a single Zechari Sicchin book. I know about him, I
know a little about his work, and I know that
what Sitchin was doing was not really bringing super fresh interpretations.

(21:27):
What he was doing was rubbing in people's faces the
implications of the translations of the Kunea form texts that
already existed. So, as I've studied the Kunaea form texts
from Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, I've used only the
most widely accepted translations, followed the narratives and said, what

(21:53):
did that just say?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
What?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Did that just tell us and again force people to
look at the implications, and Kara Sitchen did something very
very similar. So I often hear people saying, oh, Sitchin
translated that wrong, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
But that is a very.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Unfair assessment of his work when I know that he
appealed just like I did in my book. I've done
in my books to the most widely accepted translations of
those texts. The issue is what are they telling us,
how do we interpret it, and what do we do
about it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I just wanted to say that we've had Irving Finkel
on the program Doctor Finkel. Oh, I love Irving Finkel,
and he and I've asked him point blank, what do
you think of Sitchen's translations? And he kind of looks
off to the wall and says, not very well. You know,
he's not a fan, and he thinks so well, there's
a lot of misinterpretation of.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
There's another layer, of course, to what Sitchen did what
which was to write fictionally, which then enables him to
take data, which he does from the Canaarian forms and
make comparisons with other ancestral stories and then do his
own speculation and he weaves it all together into fiction,

(23:11):
and so any academic is going to pick that up
and be absolutely exasperated because.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
That's not what they want to read.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
They want to read stuff that's pure analysis, footnoted, referenced,
and you're not.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Going to get that from Sitchin exactly. Yes, talk briefly
about pedaleo contact. When I think of that paleo contact,
I think of extreme age. And when we talk about
the well you talk about the creator guides, this is

(23:47):
hundreds of thousands of years ago, right. They tell us
that Homo sapien is two hundred thousand years old.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
One of the questions I have for you is it
seems like every decade we find a new harmonin in
some cave, and it's like Earth is this breeding ground
for test subjects. We have the Benificence, we have the
Nanerata Creole, magnanm man in silver, and and.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Then Homo sapien dragon.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
What do you say to that Florida and all these
strange creatures? Do you It's almost like there were a
Petri dish of testing to see who can last? What
do you say to that?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
As I started my world tour of ancestral narratives regarding
the origins of Homo sapiens. I was fascinated to see
these areas of overlap from culture to culture, cultures that
had no contact with each other, from age to age,
and the overlaps suggest a long period in the story

(24:55):
of human development in which we were a didn't altered
by visitors, and so we've got in the Bible and
the Canoe form texts stories about the creation of a species,
which is really the modification of a hominid that was
already here to a point where we could be a

(25:17):
useful working class to those who were governing us, who
were from somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So you find those stories.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
The Pope pole Vu, I think is one of my
favorite stories of human origins, which is the Mayan story
of origins from out of Guatemala. This this was a
document because the Maya were a literary culture, and when
Central and South America were taken over by Portugal in Spain,

(25:45):
these texts were destroyed.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
They were burned, and the idea was.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
To delete the indigenous stories and replace them with Catholic Orthodoxy.
And the Pope le Vu the Mayan store He was
considered to have been incinerated, destroyed, obliterated from human memory
until just before seventeen hundred in Chichi, Castanango, the parish

(26:12):
priest there, Dominican friar by the name of Francisco Jimenez,
was handed a surviving text which a little remnant of
the priests of the Feathered Serpent had protected for the
best part of two hundred years. Francisco Jimenez was a
wonderful Dominican priest who loved his people and was a

(26:33):
genuine seeker of truth, a real researcher, a linguist, and
when they said this is our story of beginnings, would
you like to look at it? He was thrilled and
he translated it into Spanish. The Pope porl vu all
that is a preamble to say, you read that. And
the story of human origins is mind blowing for its

(26:57):
openness and honesty. It talks about these non human entities
who came and they wanted a working class, and it
took them a long long time to get the kind
of human that they wanted. And without going into too
much detail, it suggests that it's not only us, but

(27:18):
it's us and the shared relatives we have with the
other primates. These were all the result of artificial involvement
in animal development on planet Earth. And so these stories
of intervention alteration go back prior to two hundred thousand

(27:39):
years ago, because we've looked like this for at least
two hundred thousand years. But then there are other moments
in this human story as well that reflect an intervention
as recently, I argue in my books as ten thousand
years ago, just on this side really of the younger
driest Cold period, the most recent ice Age, a moment

(28:01):
when humanity was on the brink of extinction. Cultures all
around the world talk about mysterious others who turned up
and help us re establish ourselves on the planet, to
rediscover agriculture, to rediscover medicine, to rediscover civil engineering, and
that's the beginning of civilization as we know it. And

(28:22):
again it's the correlations from the po pas Vou to
the Sumerians to the Bible, African narratives, Norse narratives, Vadic narratives,
Greek narratives. The overlaps tell us that our ancestors maintained
a memory of these interventions, and they all found different
ways of telling those stories, different names, different metaphors. But

(28:45):
when you drill down and ask each story, what is
the memory this story was created in order to maintain
the memory is the same that we have had help
many times over in our long story as humanity.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
If we are hybrids from a creator race, creator guide race,
how do we know that? Is there some implication in
how we process information our physical form or have you
discovered texts that reveal how our consciousness works.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
One thing I've been looking at recently, and this has
come from my recent trip to Turkey where I've been
filming with Matt Lacroix You've had on your show, and
there is symbology there that suggests that psychoactive substances might

(29:44):
have been used to heighten the intelligence of our ancestors. Now,
if you pause and think, do I know any other
stories where food or drink was used to upgrade humans? Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Wait a minute, Genesis three.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh wait a minute, sham Hat in the epic of
gildamesh Oh wait a minute. This protocol exists in shamanic
traditions all around the world, where they're using psychoactive drinks
or foods to try and switch on other bits of
your brain. It's actually a worldview regarding our development and

(30:24):
regarding our human potential that exists all around the planet.
Everywhere you go, where you'll find folklaric story or initiation
traditions that have been maintained, this theme is there, and
it's not just there in the world of mythology and

(30:45):
ancestral stories. There are mainstream serious anthropologists today who are
saying that we've been around for two hundred thousand years,
but at some point we suddenly got a lot smarter,
and they are suggesting that our exposure to psychoactive foods
and drinks may have activated parts of our brain and

(31:08):
enabled us to access our imagination and creativity in ways
that simply had not happened before. And once it had
been switched on, we started using it, and then it's
like a muscle. You use it, it develops. So I find
it interesting that that story is there in mainstream science today,
but it's also there in deep ancestral story. So I

(31:31):
think that is a real part of our history.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Graham Hancock refers in similar manners to using psychotropic drugs
to not only heighten awareness, but perhaps help us evolve,
and so that's a great primer for evolution. We're going
to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors

(31:56):
to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my
guest today, Paul Anthony Wallace, discussing his latest book, Echoes
of Eden. We'll be right back. My guest today is

(32:54):
author Paul Anthony Wallace, who's taken another look at the
Bible and other biblical docum imments and rewritten an ancient
history of Creator Guides in his Eden series.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
The idea of.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
These guys coming in treating us is fabulous, but I'm
always curious, do you have any reference of ancient ruins, buildings, temples,
or any structures that are left that were built for
the gods or instructed on how to build from the Guides?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
No, I can't really speak to that. What I have
found in my research is that there's a fair bit
of evidence of megalithic skill prior to the younger dress
Cold period. Yes, and so I just find that on
its own absolutely fascinating, because that's telling us there's a

(34:01):
huge hole in our knowledge of Homosapians. On the one hand,
we've got research like that of Manfred Hoyne, who took
a team from the University of os in Norway and
the Maxi Plank Institute in Cologne, Germany, to Turkey where
I was recently, and to Kara Jada, and they identified

(34:22):
what appears to be the prototype farm in the story
of modern civilization, and they dated that to about ten
thousand years ago, except we've got megalithic remains from prior
to that period, and so there's a dovetailing of civilizations.
We know a little bit about what's happened in the

(34:44):
last ten thousand years and next to nothing about who
built those structures that predate that. So I find that
interesting on its own. I think there are questions still
to be answered about how some structures were created, what
technologies we use to transport and cut the stone we're

(35:05):
looking at. I mean, for instance, in Turkey, we can
find basalt that's been worked with in a way that
looks like diamond grade tungsten carbide tools have been used,
except we're told no, they only had bronze and iron.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Back in the day.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
And of course in Egypt, the pre dynastic artifacts found
in Egypt, we don't know how they were created. So
I don't make a leap and say, aha, this must
be the Tutelage of visiting extraterrestrial civilizations. But I do say, aha,

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here's another great gap in our knowledge, and it's another
impulse to sit and listen to what they have to say.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And if we listen to the Babylonian.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Story, this is one which is described vibing the Sumerian miracle.
How come the Sumerians, which is the parent culture of
the Babylonians, suddenly appeared from out of nowhere able to
do major civil engineering product projects. They had writing, they

(36:17):
had science, they had maths, they had record keeping, legal systems,
all the accouterments of civilization. And the Babylonian explanation for
that is, yes, we had help. We had help from
non human others. The Appkalou and Oannas, and the Appklou

(36:37):
was a presence living here. They were using underwater bases,
but they were representing others out in space, and they
were making an intervention to help humanity develop in the
aftermath of the most recent ice age. So I go
there and say, well, the ancient said this, But I
can't point to a building or an artifact and say, oh,

(36:59):
an extraterrestrial built that.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh they used extraterress to a technology here. But you're
actually seeing.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
You're actually seeing that when we look at megalithic structures,
that technology isn't typical. That's kind of a provided technology,
is what you suggest.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, the problem is we don't know where that technology
came from or what it was.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
There's no evolution of.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Technology that we can trace that gets us to that
kind of megalithic skill. So there's that gap in our understanding.
And then on the other hand, we've got our ancestors saying, oh,
we had help. So that it doesn't tie everything down,
it doesn't prove anything, but I find it very interesting.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, it's interesting. I really enjoy your interpretation. I'm listening
to audible echoes of Eden and another book, and the
way you interpret how these gods come to Earth and

(38:05):
began using the animal human animal like beings and then
eventually making a hybrid out of them. This is all fascinating.
Who would you say was the writer of Genesis?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Is it a.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Number of books, a number of individuals, because this is
your interpretation is so radical, you know, it's really a
challenge in some cases to consider who would be the
penmen of these of this document.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Okay, this is the book where I really go into
that the Eden Conspiracy. And in the Eden Conspiracy, I
show that the story of the production of the Bible
is actually told within the Bible itself.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
So we begin with the summar.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Reform of the Mesopotamian stories. So these are the stories
that Abraham. The figure Abraham brings with him from or
of Haldaion, which I believe is the high place of
HLDI ancient Armenia. And so he brings the stories from Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia,

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and Assyria boils them down in a summary form. They
really comprise the first eleven chapters of Genesis, and then
the stories developed from their stories of multiple advanced beings
called the Elohim, who are governing over different colonies of humans.

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They're described collectively as the el ba'a dat the council
of power. And if you go to Psalm eighty two
and Deuteronomy thirty two, a post invasion committee meeting is
described where the senior being Elion, is handing out territories
to the different Elohim. Their arrival is commemorated as the

(40:05):
arrival of the Sava Hasha Maim the sky armies. All
this is there in black and white in the texts.
It's just not usually preached on. So the radical thing
I'm saying is just read those texts, read those stories,
and keep the keywords in their root form. Keep Elahim

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as Elohim, el elyon early on, el Shaddai as al Shadai,
jahwe is Jahweh. And the shape of the stories tells
you what you're looking at, the story of an invasion,
parceling out of lands, and then managing of human colonies
by non human entities. That's how the stories were until

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the eighth to sixth century BCE. And then the Bible
itself tells us that there was a sequence of kings
and high priests who wanted to obliterate the memory of
paleoc contact and turn Judaism into a monotheistic religion. And
so this begins with King Hezekiah, who comes along and

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he is a Yahuist. So among all those Elohim, there's
one called Yahweh. He worships one called h Yahweh. He
wants to obliterate the memory of the other Elahim. And
what that means is he wants all the other Jewish priesthoods.
Jewish priesthoods mark you disbanded. So the Jewish priesthood to

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Asherah disbanded, the Jewish priesthood to Milcom, to ch marsh
all these other named entities disbanded or sorted. He wants
their temples destroyed, their altars broken, their figurines will have
their heads broken off. And in the Jerusalem Temple, the
installations to those other beings will be taken down, and

(41:55):
the carvings of those other beings will be defaced, and
the carving of Yahweh that showed everyone what he looked
like would be confiscated and destroyed. This is King Hezek.
It's all there in the Bible. And so the Jerusalem
Guard goes into the temple that goes around Judea does
all that to get rid.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Of that memory.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And then in an age that follows him, his grandson,
King Josiah comes along and decides that the scriptures that
the Jewish people have been reading needed reforming as well.
Up until that point, memory had persisted. The Book of
Jeremiah says, for instance, that the Jewish people of the
eighth and seventh centuries BCE remembered paleocontact. They remembered contact

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with beings who had been phenomenally helpful to them, and
one who gets named is Asherah. And Jeremiah laments the
fact that on every high hill and under every green
tree you can find an installation to Asherah. But at
the same time, the Jewish people are saying, thank goodness,
we're not ruled anymore by Yahweh, and we got rid
of him, and we're not under his laws anymore. Jeremiah

(43:06):
reports this as something terrible, But the moment you separate
his opinion from his information, you realize he's telling us.
They have a memory of these other beings. They remember
what Yahweh was like, what Ashra was like. They told
those stories. But now that's got to be gotten rid of.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And so now.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Josiah develops the scriptures with the assistance of the royal
scribed Chaifan, and then finally, under the senior priest Ezra,
commissioned by the Persian King Cyrus, a new book is produced,
the Book of the Laws of Yahweh, which is now
a book teaching Yakist monotheism and teaching us to think

(43:47):
negatively of all those other entities they're now described as idols,
except they have to explain how come many of the
Jewish kings had employed priesthoods, these other entities, had remembered
these other beings positively, And so the narrator has to
put a spin on the stories, and he says, well,

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they all married foreign wise, didn't they?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Foreign women?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Foreigners a And so they give a little spin to
allow us to separate what they think Judaism should be
moving forward from what it always had been prior to
those reforms. And there's been a very recent find and
I write about this in the sixth book in the
Eden series, which I'm writing right now. Just in the

(44:36):
last few weeks in Jerusalem, they find that is a
beautiful emblem of this change in Judaism.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
What it was that was found was.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Near the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and it was a
seal used by a senior Jewish official. So when he
stamped to say certificate or sealed a letter, this was
the seal he used. And the image on it is
of a Sumerian anunaki, because to his mind, that's what

(45:12):
the Elohim looked like. And he was using this seal
prior to King Hezekiah and all those reforms. And it's
a reminder that prior to those reforms. Judaism was a
canon of memory of paedio contact, totally overlapping with the
Mesopotamian stories.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Hmm, fascinating. Do you you were just in Turkey. Did
you get a chance to go to go Beckley Teppee
or perhaps Carahan Teppee and see those saints.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
No, next time around, I planned to be at those sites,
but what we were looking at was sites in the
Van province where there are Oh, there's so much to
see there.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It's such an around Lake Van. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So we were looking at the Uratian citadels and at
some of the inscriptions and carvings there. Matt is doing
some fantastic work on really examining the timeline of humanity
in that part of the world. While I was there,
I got really sucked into the symbology that we were

(46:20):
finding carved into these sanctuaries.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
And I believe that.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Those symbols take us back long prior to the Uratian period,
which is the first millennium BCE. They take us back
to a receding of the environment after an ecological catastrophe.
I think all those carvings are about a period of
around ten thousand years ago, when agriculture had to be

(46:46):
reinvented when human beings had to learn from scratch how
to modify plants to become crops. And DNA research has
shown really confirmed that. Research Karaja Da by Manfred Hoyne
confirmed that agriculture started there, and then it shows the

(47:06):
DNA record shows that information moving westwards across into northern Europe,
and by about four thousand BCE it had reached northern
Ireland and with it not only can you see advanced farming,
but you can see megalithic building. So it's another scientific

(47:29):
discipline that confirms the ancient stories of a reboot of
humanity in ancient Armenia. After the younger Darias, I.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Asked the question about Quebec, the Tepe and these other tepees,
these other hills that they're finding because their subsurface, they're
protected because they're underground, and then they're covered after they're used.
And I'm wondering if you found any documents or any
evidence of who the teachers were that were showing how

(47:59):
to to eat greens, agriculture, animal husbandry, and so forth.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yes, that's a really good question because the proximity of
gebecley Tepe and Krahan Teppe to Kara Ja Dah raises
the possibility that could the people who helped that family
and tribe in Karaja Da to reinvent agriculture, could there

(48:25):
have been the tail end of this other megalithic culture,
And it would seem very logical that that could have happened,
because if you're a megalithic culture such as those that
built gebecley Tepe Karahan Tepe, you must have had farming
under your belt. You can't be hunter gather as building

(48:47):
structures like that, and so one would think, well, maybe
the survivors of a previous civilization are seeding the beginning
of a new one, and that may very well have happened.
And that is the view that Graham Hancock speaks about
in his books and in his Fantastic TV series. But

(49:08):
if we again listen to ancestral narratives from all around
the world, there's another layer to this.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
If I listen to.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
The Youngu people who live in what's now the Northern
Territory of Australia, they talk about a time when their
ancestors were in that place and they did not know
how to hunt or fish or what to harvest. Now,
this is a very strange story coming from a people
group whose relationship with the land.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Is one of genius.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It has always been their genius to know how to
live in balance with the land. But this story exists.
There was a time when we didn't know now either.
That's because there's been a forced migration to land where
they don't know the fauna, they don't know the flora,
or the environment changed or they have changed. And you

(50:04):
can hear similar stories in Native American story as well.
And their explanation is not, oh, there was a previous
human civilization who taught us how to do this. They
described beings who were very, very different to themselves. They
were incredibly slender physically, and they had an ability to

(50:25):
ping in and out of their immediate space in a
way that they couldn't understand. So that doesn't sound like
human beings, doesn't sound like people who were living there before.
Sounds very very different. In the Babylonian story that I
mentioned before, the helpers don't sound like a previous culture

(50:46):
because their physicality is described.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
As a horrible monster.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
That's how Owannas and the Appkalu described when they were
first encountered on the shores of the Red Sea, and
they couldn't quite understand what they looking at was that
some kind of a person.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Was it an aquatic creature? But it was.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Terrifying and very very ugly. And we have other stories
besides where the physicality of the other beings is described
Reptilian features eight and features. So, yes, previous human cultures
seeding new civilizations may be part of the story, but
the moment you start listening to indigenous story, it's only

(51:28):
part of the story.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
If we have this et genetics in our system. Is
there writing that says we are part of a family
of planets? And is this what's happening now with these
UAP discoveries and these flybys, except that we're not having

(51:52):
sit down discussions right now. They seem to be anthropologists
who are studying our culture.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yes, that's a fair comment. Some ancestral narratives are very
specific about where our helpers came from. So we've got
the physical descriptions, but then we've also got references to
Ashera coming from the Pleiades. Cherokee people have stories about
visitors from the Pleiades. We go into ancient Armenia, people

(52:22):
from the constellation Signus go into the Hebrew stories.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
We've got the Pleiades, Sirious and Orion mentioned.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Listen to the dogone people of Male West Africa. Serious
is where their tutors came from, so they get quite
specific in ways that suggests we are part of a
wider cosmic family. Ultimately, all life in the cosmos is related.
That's the conclusion I've come to. This is something that
Plato taught two and a half thousand years ago.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
And again you go into.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
The field of DNA science and you'll find very serious, crudential,
peer reviewed the d NA scientists who believe in panspermia.
They believe life in the cosmos is the norm rather
than the exception, and that means all life is related.
And therefore we've got sort of cousin species who may
take an interest in us in that way.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
We're going to take a commercial break to allow our
sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with
my guest, Paul Wallace, author of the Eden series, discussing
his latest book, Echoes of Eden, will rejoin you shortly.

(54:12):
Author Paul Wallace is coming to us from Australia today
and he is discussing his latest book Echoes of Eden.
This is the research he's done on palaeo contact creator
gods on Earth and his belief that we are hybrids
from an alien race. I guess I'm going to ask

(54:32):
you another one about your own personal experience here in
a second, in terms of as an experiencer. But I'm
just curious because we don't seem to be welcoming any
other civilizations we've seen, especially in the United States. We're
very shoot first, asked questions.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Later exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
My point, though, Paul, is that is that if this
is in our historic DNA to be more open and
welcoming because our ancestors were this way, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
And perhaps, yeah, I think it probably has to do with.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Who wants to be, who wants.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
To have the power and the control in these conversations.
So I would suggest that we are in contact and
have been for more than seventy years in this current
iteration of contact. This is the claim made by her Mishad,
the former chief of space security for Israel, all right,
and so it was his job to know if we

(55:46):
were in contact and if there was any threat. And
in my latest book, this one here, if I can
spruit that for a moment the invasion of Eden. I
ask all the questions that you just asked, Cliff, why
are we handling the prospect of contact today in the
way we are. It's all being framed as existential threat.
When we had that here in last year following the

(56:07):
David Grush complaint, where essentially the US Congress wanting to
know what does the Pentagon though about UAPs or UFOs.
It turns out there's contact. We're in possession of entire craft,
not in human biologics. And clearly there are units within

(56:27):
military intelligence who want to control the narrative and control
any contact or conversations that are going on. So I
do believe there are sit down conversations going on, but
it's just not happening publicly. And I also know that
military intelligence is very interested in the ancient stories to

(56:48):
help them have their heads around what current contact might mean.
I believe we have more helpers available to us now
than we've ever had in human history. But we may
have some predatory contact as well, and there may be
somewhat of an uneasy truce over how Project Earth is

(57:10):
being managed by our various visitors. So when our ancestors
talk about a sky council or a council of power.
I think that still exists, but it's just not in
the public domain now. Haimashed, who I mentioned before, the
brigadier general who for twenty eight years run the space

(57:30):
security program for Israel, is saying that until we are
truly a space faring civilization, until we have the technology
that gives us access to the cosmos, we are the observed.
To echo what you were saying, we're the ones who
were studied and collaboration that Taymashd talks about is really

(57:54):
on the terms of our visitors. But once it goes
public that we can now locomote through the cosmos, once
we have that technology, that's when everything is going to change.
That's when a whole load of new protocols comes in
and there might be a bit more disclosure at that point.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
And in the invasion of Eden.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I suggest that we give every encouragement we can to
members of Congress and to our journalists to keep an
eye on what the aerospace industry is doing in this area,
because they are the ones with the privileged information about
current contact. They are the ones doing the work of

(58:37):
reverse engineering that the Pentagon has now authenticated, and it
will be people in that world who are having the
sit down conversations right now. And it's one of the
reasons why I find at a very exciting time to
be writing about ancestral knowledge, because how can it be
that our ancestors.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Could cope with the idea that we've.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Got company, and yet governments today think we can't cope
with that information.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, the Maya write about the Star people and their literature,
and there's a lot of reference to Star people in
et contact through their long history, as well as a
number of other ets. We've had Whitley strieber On a
number of times and his experience was horrific. I don't

(59:25):
know if you've read Communion or not, but it's just
not a real pleasant journey.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
No. I've interviewed Whitley myself, and yes, I know the
experiences he had took a lot of processing.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Right. We've had Barbara lamb On and Miguel I can't
remember Miguel's last name, who co wrote a couple of
books with her. You've had an experience, won't you talk
a little bit about your experience? Sure?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Well, my experience is a not dramatic, graphic ones like
Whitley's Tree was my experiences are They sound like stories
of nothing. But I share my personal experiences in my
book The Scars of Eden, because I think I would
almost go as far to say most people have stories

(01:00:19):
of weird things they can't explain.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Yeah, And I think you could sit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Down any family or friendship group and if you gave
each other the permission to share stories without fear of ridicule,
it would turn out everyone in the group would have
had an experience they couldn't explain, and if you put
those stories together, it will add up to we've got
company now. In my case, when I published Escaping from

(01:00:44):
Eden a few years ago, I had people beginning to
contact me who had experienced close encounters, and a very
large proportion of these people were veterans of war and
they'd had in in the context of their military service,
and they didn't want to immediately share their stories with

(01:01:08):
me because of the ridicule factor and the protection of
their privacy. And so they'd sound me out and they'd say, Paul,
if you had a close encounter, they wanted to know
if they could share their story with me, And early
on my answer was well, no, I haven't, but many
of my friends have, and I take it very seriously,

(01:01:29):
and that was enough for people to feel they could
trust me and start sharing their own stories. And the
more stories I heard, the more I was thinking, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
A minute, that happened to me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And bit by bit I realized that there was a
year in my life when I was twenty years old,
in which I had five close encounter experiences. The reason
that wasn't to the front of my mind even after
I had written Escaping from Eden is that at the
time I was really in the full flow of evangelical

(01:02:05):
life as a young Christian, and I interpreted the whole
universe through a grid of boxes. If something existed, it
had to be either God, the Devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable, mineral,
or it didn't exist. And so these strange experiences that

(01:02:28):
I'd had, I tried to force into one of those boxes.
And so the terrifying experience, well, that presumably was demonic.
The elevating experience, oh, that must have been angelic then.
And I didn't even have language for lost time to
explain another to encounters. Only as I listened to the

(01:02:49):
stories of others did I realize, wait a minute, those
five entities in my apartment in Bath were not demons,
because well, they don't fit anything in the biblical Geneo
Christian tradition about demons. They're not physical entities, they're not
the size of a year six, they're not half cloaked,

(01:03:12):
and they don't appear in your place just observing you.
I had a terrifying experience where this happened and I
saw them so vividly, and then I don't remember what
happened next.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Miss Hanne.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah, well I don't know on that occasion, but it
had always puzzled me because I remember seeing them, I
remember being terrified, and I'd always thought, oh, well, perhaps
I just fell asleep, except you don't just fall asleep
when you're having a terrifying encounter, so I could never
explain it to myself. Now I realized that was a

(01:03:50):
close encounter with what I believe was small grays. I
lived very close to a Ministry of Defense installation in
the city of Bath, and you probably know those kind
of areas are shot spots, so sightings of that kind.
So that was one experience, and then I had two
experiences of lost time before I had the language for that.

(01:04:14):
And it's only now listening to others who've experienced lost
time that I realized that happened to me twice in
that year. Then I had another encounter and again it
sounds like a story of nothing, where I was at
a shop in Chichester and these two people came into
the shop with a baby and a stroller who were

(01:04:38):
just incredibly beautiful and threw off this incredible energy and
I just had to watch, sort of open mouths that
these people as they moved through the shop, and they
were shopping in a very strange way. Both the man
and the woman were just going up taking things off
the shelf, almost blindly like that, putting it in to

(01:05:00):
the baskets, no coordination, not I'll get this, honey, you
get that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
It just went round like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I was thinking, what is going on? And then they
got to the till just in front of me, and
they paid and they left without a word, and the
feeling I was getting was so vivid. I wanted to
know who they were, Why did they look like that?
Why do they have this incredible serene atmosphere? How could

(01:05:27):
they communicate without talking? And I thought, should I run
down the street after them and say, excuse me, who
are you? But even I thought that might be a
bit weird, and I didn't, and again it just remained
a memory that I couldn't explain. I've not had an
experience like that before or since.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
But now that I've listened.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
To more and more experiences, the more I think we
have company of visitors who were doing their level best
to blend and I think that's what I was seeing,
and again very near a military base. Now again that's
not proof of anything. It sounds ridiculous to most people,
except that when we all pool our stories of the

(01:06:11):
strange and unexplained, you'll find experiences like that are more
common than you might think, and it begs an explanation.
And with some people who've told me very similar stories,
there's a story of missing time that comes with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah, it's funny because Willy and others that have had
on the program believe that these ets walk among us,
and that there are perhaps Caucasian ets, or they can
shift their form.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
They be more that way. Yeah for me, they can
look that way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, they can shift their form, which is kind of
nerve wrackings because because if you're around somebody. And I've
always believed this. If you're around a being that's a thousand,
a million years in advance of you, they're going to
have a different vibration, You're going to feel different around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yes, that's right, that's right. I mean I really hesitating
before I put those stories in the Scars of Eden,
because you know, it's yet another thing that could lower
my credibility with the masses. But I felt though I
had to do that because I do think these experiences
are quite common and I really want to encourage people

(01:07:26):
to share their stories. Give permission for people to share
their stories, because the more people you hear with a
story like that, the sooner you're going to start thinking,
all right, something's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Yeah. As we conclude, Paul, what do you feel you're
writing to? Are you writing to people who are just curious?
I mean some people are calling you the new Eric
van Donnikin and Eric tended to be more of a
chronicle of sites and information. You seem to be placing

(01:08:02):
it in such a way the narrative is something that
is welcoming not only speculation, but also what would you say?
What are you writing to and who.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Are you writing to? Well? In a way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I think every generation needs to break the taboo around
the idea of et contact. There's always a ridicule factor
around it, although I think that's lessened a little bit
since the Revelations from the Pentagon. But my aim really
is to be a gateway guy for people into this topic,

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and so my books are very grounded in history.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
They're very grounded in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Ancestral narratives and indigenous story because I want people to
be able to pick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Up any of the Eden series.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
People who are really skeptical about this, but by the
end of the book, first of all, I'll have enjoyed
reading it, and I try to write them in a fun,
accessible way, but give enough solid data that by the
end they're thinking, oh, there is something worth looking into
you here. I want to break the taboo for people
of faith who think that their Christian faith or their

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Jewish faith means they're not allowed to consider the possibility
of a populated cosmos or et contact today and show no, actually,
you should be on the front foot because your Bible
is full of information about this, and so really I
want to make this a much broader topic, much more accessible,
show that it's grounded, it's not just pure speculation, it's

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not just for crazy eufologists, and make this much more
a part of mainstream conversation than we've seen, probably since
Eric Vondnakin bust the bubble back in the sixties and
seventies with charits of the gods.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Why are we so afraid of et contact and possible
history or genetic history of knowing the stars and traveling
the stars.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I don't know, really. I think that we've had a
long period of narrative control. Where as Christianity spread around
the planet, there was a very aggressive stamping out of
prior stories and the demonizing of prior stories. So I
think we've got, you know, a lot of entrained views

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and feelings about that. I mean, the image I'm going
to put on the next book in the Eden series
will be a confronting one, and I know a lot
of Christians will look at it and think, oh, it's
got a bit of a demonic feeling. And the reason
they have that feeling is because of that stamping out
of images from prior cultures, images like the one on

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the seal used by that Jewish official. So that's part
of the picture we've had. Of course, plenty of Hollywood,
fair Invasion of the Body, Mars attacks, independent stay, the
three body problem recently, but might make people a little
bit scared of what contact could mean. And again, this

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is one reason I love to go back to the
ancestral stories, because there is the balance. Yes, we may
have had experiences in the past that were unhappy ones,
but the stories of helpers from cosmic cousins, well, they
are overwhelming, and I think we will ask better questions
about contact in the presence in the present when we

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know these ancestral stories a bit better. So all my
books go into indigenous story and ancestral story and say,
just look at the patterns, look at the overlap, what
does that mean, and how might that help us moving
forward if we're in contact in the present.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Wonderful Paul Wallace, A real pleasure having you on the program.
Give us your website and how people can learn more
about you. Also a fabulous YouTube channel, talk about that briefly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Well on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
You can find me at the Fifth Kind or we've
got more than a million subscribers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
You can find me on the Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Wallace channel on YouTube as well. That's Wallace wa l
l I S. We have a website, Fifth Kind dot
tv and Paulanthony Wallace dot com. And you can message
me through that last website if you want to have
a longer conversation with me. Go to Amazon for all
my books. That's Escaping from Eden, the Scars of Eden,

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Echoes of Eden, the Eden Conspiracy, the Invasion of Eden,
and to be announced.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Fantastic Hey, continued success. We're gonna have to have you
back again when the next book comes out. Thanks, Paul,
really appreciate your time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Thanks Cliff, It's been a real pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Thanks for having me on. What I really like about
this Eden series in Paul's presentation is he's a really
good writer, and many of the books are chronicling his
personal views and interactions with people, their perception of palaeo contact,

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as well as you know how he references a lot
of the I guess you can call him case studies
of various people in the Bible and how they are
living longer because they have this genetics. People like Noah
and the other biblical Biblical characters are very long lived

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exceptional human beings, and you know we don't have that.
As Paul writes in his books, we were downgraded because
we were too powerful. We were all demi gods. So
fun read. I'm still trying to figure out where it fits,
how we can perhaps quantify, qualify, justify this material in

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today's world. He was not able to present any sites
that are homes or temples or places of worship. I
haven't read enough about the material, but it does open
a new door to the possibilities. And his openness on

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the UAP question I thought was refreshing. I knew Zacharia
sitching personally. He wouldn't talk on UFOs at that time.
And the other thing about Zacharia or Zach as we
call him, is that he wasn't really big on being questioned.
He didn't like people questioning him on his interpretations of

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the clay tablets, the cuneiform tablets.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
And it would have been nice if he.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Lived long enough to communicate with people like Irving Finkel,
Doctor Finkel, who have had the show on the show
many times from the British Museum in London, and Finkel
doesn't believe that Sitchy's interpretations are correct, and that's a
huge problem, you know. I'd love to have them debate
as to what they are interpreting. Zach would not do that.

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He would not And the other thing when I was
a conference dirrector, and the other thing that was a
bit challenging is that he would not sit on a
panel discussion. And one of the great things I love
to have when I had all these people at these
conferences in San Francisco or Atlanta, Georgia, or in some
of the other states that we would visit on the conference,

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including Austin, Texas, was that when you have all these
people at the show and you're paying for their hotels
where as well as their honorarium, they're speaking fee, to
put them all together on a panel discussion is very
powerful because you get all these points of views and
you have a panel that has a certain theme. Sichan

(01:15:57):
would not sit on a panel, So I made a
very very difficult to question his references, his research where
it came from. He just would not put up with it.
So and I don't know if that's because he had
a period where he was being questioned on his data

(01:16:18):
his research and he just got tired of it, or
he had a unique way of interpreting. These clay tablets,
the cuneiform tablets from sume Aria, from sumer So we'll
never know. He's passed away and I's been gone a
number of years and his books are still interesting. But

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Paul is a different perspective, a new breath of fresh
air and something to consider. Now. Again, I don't think
he's Eric von don Again. I think Eric has a
problem validating his sources. And you know, for a long
time in his youth, Eric would actually travel the world.

(01:17:03):
This is something that is unique about Eric went down again.
He'd actually travels to these places in different parts of
the world. He'd get on a plane, fly to South America,
he'd go to Mexico, he'd go to different places in
Europe and even Australia, and he'd actually fine and look
at these areas and write about him. So you guys

(01:17:27):
all know how I feel about ancient aliens. I just
think that they're spinning off into the universe without really
validating much, and the people that join the show each
week are just reinforcing this weird narrative and saying, you know,
the aliens did it. And I think moving forward into

(01:17:49):
the future, they need to begin to take a better
look at what they're presenting because I don't think it
washes too well. So Anyhow, I want to have Paul
on again. He's gotten of new books coming out next year,
and I promise I'll get more detailed in my questioning
as I as I look at what he's trying to

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present and see if it has you know, it rings
true on the hybrid side, that's a huge question. And
I've always brought this up. Where are all these hominints
coming from Neanderthal danusivin creole magnet? You know they're dying out?

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How do we how are we able to sustain our evolution?
Homo sapien sapien? Now he did say something I thought
was a little revealing. He did mention pan spermia as
a source of data capture and perhaps evolution. And you

(01:18:50):
know we've had the top of the line. We have
a doctor Wick Ramsey here on the show, who's with
Fred Hoyle, you know, developed the whole theory of panspermia.
A lot of scientists don't acknowledge it, and I think
it's it's not valid. I think it is. And you know,

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if this is a way to evolve our species through
minute bacteria that sparks our brain to grow our DNA
to change or evolve, this is something that should be
studied with a greater sense of urgency because we here

(01:19:31):
in the United States, we have a divided country and
I'm wondering if the parents bermia is spinning off into
the to the universe and some people are losing their
sense of perspective. But we won't get into that with
any details. So anyhow, we're going to have Paul back.

(01:19:52):
That was fun having him on the program. And his
books are very, very easy to read, and he has
released a audible version of the first book, Escaping from Eden,
and it's not him narrating, it's somebody else. But it's
very easy to listen to and it is. It's a

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forward Slash Earth Ancients. All right, I'll be in the
jungles of Yucatan, Mexico. Look for my update. The next
couple of shows will be prerecorded, but I'll be stepping in.
I'll be only gone for about seven days, but I
will definitely be continuing with the program, no breaks ever,
and I'll report back to you with some new data

(01:22:04):
on the ancient Mayan ruins of the Yucatan Peninsula. All right,
that's it for this program. Thank you to my guest
Paul Anthony Wallace coming to us from Australia and his
new series Echoes of Eden. As always, the team of
Gail tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen.
You guys are rock all right, Take care of you

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well and we will talk to you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
It did dem.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
It did in the