Special Edition: Brad Olsen, Sacred Places in North America

"Olsen provides hand-drawn maps and detailed driving directions to help guide readers to each strange attraction. He offers information on each site, juxtaposing local folklore and Native American legend with scientific theories or physical evidence to provide context. Look for the paperback in bookstores." —Orlando Sentinel

Brad Olsen is a captivating speaker and author of ten books, including three in his Esoteric Series: "Modern Esoteric" "Future Esoteric." and the newly-released “Beyond Esoteric.” An award-winning author, book publisher and event producer, his keynote presentations and interviews have enlightened audiences at Contact in the Desert, UFO Mega Conference, the 5D events and dozens of radio (including Coast to Coast, Ground Zero, and the Patriot Underground) and television shows (including Ancient Aliens, America Unearthed, Beyond Belief, Book of Secrets, The Truth is Out There and Mysteries of the Outdoors). He has traveled to all seven continents, including Antarctica by sailboat, seeking adventure and the answers to the mysteries of humankind’s past.Although the professional task of book publishing occupies most of his year, .

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
It has been quite a while since we've had a
special edition from Earth Ancients, and I've had an interview
that I've sat on for the last few weeks with
Brad Olson. If you don't know who Brad is, he
is a He is best known for esoteric work. But
I'll tell you prior to that, he did a great
series of books called Sacred Places. He had one on Europe,

(00:43):
one on the world. And what we're going to concentrate
on today is sacred places in North America. Hey, this
is Cliff, your host, and today we are looking at
places that are in our backyard that our aunts, esters
and the indigenous people who populated much of what is

(01:04):
now known as the United States, Canada, and most of
Mexico consider sacred. And this can be what you what
is considered vortises, which are energy centers. This is sacred mounds,
sacred dwellings, underground cities. We'll even talk about Black Rock City,

(01:26):
which is the home of Burning Man in Nevada, and
we're going to get into some real specifics on just
why that area was chosen as a gathering each here. Now,
you know, if you're not familiar with Burning Man, it's
kind of a cultural creative site on the desert in Nevada,
and they just it's kind of Some people think it's hedonistic,

(01:50):
but it's more of artists. I have a lot of
friends I have never been there, and we're gonna talk
to Brad about it today. Brad's been there a number
of times.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
But I have.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Friends that build machines out of car parts. Some of
them are built out of wood, and it's a chance
to kind of let your hair down and explore creativity.
There's always a unique area where you can try some
of the local psychedelics and you camp out and you

(02:20):
get dirty and dusty because the winds pick up and
it's a flat area where you can get covered with
grime and dirt, but that's all part of the experience,
and that's known as burning Man. Now, there's so many
other great places that we'll be talking about today that
I haven't had a chance to go to. Monument Valley,

(02:42):
Pyramid Lake, and the list goes on and on and on.
And we're looking at sacred places in the United States
or North America, I should say, because we have these
locations in our own backyard. So we don't need to
fly to Egypt, need to fly to Mexico. We don't
need to fly to South America to experience sacredness, sacred

(03:06):
places where we can sit and meditate, where the energies are.
I live here in northern California. It's just a few
years ago, I'd say maybe five or six. I discovered
through friends that Mount tamapaias one of the highest mountain
peaks in the Bay Area, was a ceremonial area. There
was a ceremonial rocks that were magnetic, and I actually

(03:32):
finally had a chance to go up and sit in
one of these they're called rock chairs, or they've cut
them in such a way that you can sit comfortably
for an hour or more and you can actually fill
if you close your eyes, you can actually fell a
low hum And I don't know. I didn't bring my
uh my compass or anything to measure the fields or

(03:55):
the energy, but something's definitely there. So I can say
see why they the local people, miewalk Is, the people
that live there Miwok tribe, why they cherished that area,
why they had ceremony, why they considered it a sacred place.
And again, we're going to go to different parts of

(04:18):
our country. Here in the United States and discover sacred locations.
There's a lot of people who think that the United
States isn't that very isn't that old, that the Homo
sapiens were not popular in the area. It's more Neanderthals
and perhaps other early hominid types. But in the recent

(04:41):
series of discoveries, most notably in Oregon, they found the
skull of a Homo sapien who looks very European. He's
known as kinnewick Man, and he was discovered in Oregon
in the Columbia Gorge. And I have always been fascinated
by this. We're going to talk about this guy today.
When they did the reconstruction. He looks like a northern European.

(05:04):
He's Caucasian. And this is a real problem for anthropologists
because they do not believe there were Caucasian types of
hominins in the North American region. And I will say this,
I'm writing about this right now. The issues regarding diffusion
or migrations from other countries to North America have always

(05:28):
been a contention for anthropologists an archaeologists. You know, it's
the training of an archaeologist is so rigid that if
you could leave the boat and say that there could
be migrations from Asia, there could be migrations from Europe
to the Americas over a nine thousand plus years ago.

(05:51):
You're immediately everything you're seeing is disqualified. It doesn't make sense.
And yet we have Thorhyodal in this contee tiki boat
mide out of reads, crossing the Pacific Ocean into South America.
And he did it in a very rudimentary type of craft.
By the way, if you want to read about migration

(06:15):
and theories that are out there, read Thorhydal and his theory.
This is a university trained archaeologist who really shot shocked
the world in the sixties when he did this and
built a boat out of reason. He traveled the ocean

(06:35):
to South America, and the whole idea was preposterous to
most universities. But he broke he broke round. He broke round,
And I see this in the Mayan culture and I
write about it in this book The Mayan Controversy. When
you look at the various steely, these are standing markers

(06:57):
that usually have dates on them. Many of the kings
or noted rulers are carved into these markers, and if
you look at them closely. There's definitely Caucasian types, there's
asiac Asiatic types, there's African centric types, and there's even

(07:20):
and I say this all the time, there some racests
that are not with us any longer. And these are
the long heads. These are the wide heads, very strange
wide craniums wide to the you know, wide in a
way that is not able, is not done through headbinding.
They're just genetically different. And I talk about this, and

(07:41):
I'm not the only one. There's been a number of
scientists over the ages, over the decades that have chronicled
the different skeletal remains of unusual racial types. And to
say that that's just normal for Mexico is disingenuous. It's

(08:03):
not really looking at the facts, looking at the skeletal evidence,
and looking at the various people who've come before us.
There's not a lot of people who have come before us,
but there's enough to make a question mark regarding diffusion,
regarding migrating from other parts of the world. But today
we're talking about sacred places, and so the kinniwick Man

(08:27):
is one we'll be talking about. We'll talk about medicine wills,
which are markers for energy centers and also astronomical observatories
that are all over the United States, which I didn't realize.
And the glyphs, the geoglyphs, the carvings, and some of
these carvings are thousands and thousands of years old. Now,

(08:50):
one of the other things that I'm going to bring
up today and we'll be talking about more thoroughly, is
the Topper Site in South Carolina. And if you don't
know about the top Er Site Tppe, r look it up.
It is now regarded as one of the oldest dwellings
found in the United States or the Americas. It's over

(09:11):
fifty thousand years old, and it was an area home
to ice age people and you can you can see
a great deal about it. It's not widely discussed because
it's just so controversial that, similar to go Beckley Teppe,
it's so old that the archaeologists can't get their head

(09:35):
around it, so they leave it alone. They totally leave
it alone. But we're gonna talk about it today. So
today's program is Sacred Places in North America and my
guest is author explorer Brad Olsen. The Earth Ancients Sacred
Pyramid Tour December one through the twelfth of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
What happens when we walk or we are doing a
ritual or praying over the pyramid is that we literally
resonate with the cavity of what it's called the human resonance.
So in our planet, we have resonance that it's called
human resonance. It's like a heartbeat of the planet. So

(10:23):
when this hard bit of our planet resonates with these
type of structures like these Mayan pyramids, they amplify the
human resonates. And because they're all made with fractal materials
like pzo electric stones and very particular types of stones.
Imagine that it's like when you have a tune fork

(10:43):
and then you have another tune fork, and they will
resonate with the same frequency. So when we're on top
of a pyramid, it will make our whole body, our DNA,
our electromagnetic field resonate like this cavity.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
That's our turo Di Leong who is one of our
hosts for the upcoming tour. He is a architect from
Mexico who has incorporated sacred geometry and many of the
buildings he has designed, who understands the intricacies of Pyramids
and Maya Science Journeys for this special tour December first

(11:21):
to the twelfth of this year. For more information and
all the details, go to Earthancients dot com Forward slash Tours.
Come out and join us. We have Brad Olsoon with

(12:03):
us today, and Brad has written a series of amazing
books called Sacred Places. He's got one for the world,
he's got one for Europe, and the one that we're
focusing on today is on North America. And I really
enjoyed it because not only does Brad cover the esoterics
of the area, and by the way, Brad has a

(12:24):
series of books on esoterica that are excellent, should check
them out. But Brad also covers the historical aspects of it,
but also anthropological aspects, which I find quite a good
fit for Earth Ancients. So we're going to talk to
him today about some unusual areas that as a native

(12:44):
California native, I have never seen. And it's funny because
we go, I go all over the world, but I
don't know my own country very well. Just mentioned that
to Brad, you know, thinking, what the hell, I gotta
do some tours in my own country. So hey, Brad,
how you doing, man, good to see it.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hey doing great, Cliff, Thanks for having me on again.
Always a pleasure to speak with you.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I got to mention to our listeners we just saw
each other in April as the New Living Expo and
you were part of the Ancient Civilization panel.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
My god, you're all over the place with everything. I mean,
you cover a lot of the ancient civilizations of the world.
But also it's funny because, as I just mentioned, in
this book, you're talking about unusual anomalies like the Kinewick
man that's from Oregon, and I'm curious to know why

(13:36):
you would add that to sacred places, because not only
is he unusual because he's a Caucasian, which anthropologists don't acknowledge.
They say he's a Native American, but they re constructed
the skeleton of this man and he's Caucasian. And the

(14:00):
bigger problem is that he lived about nine thousand years
ago in the I think it's the Columbia Gorge region. Yes,
And you know that's another thing I didn't realize. I
thought he was in Canada, but he's not. What is
it about this that is unusual to you? I mean,

(14:21):
when I saw that reproduction of his head. I thought
to myself, this is a Northern European person.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, that's right, and he kind of looks like that
other captain from Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh John Yeah, John Luke Picard.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, it looks like Picard. It does look like Picard.
They did a reconstruction of his skull before he was reburied,
so now the remains of the kind of man are
completely lost. It's sort of strange that they would do that,

(15:01):
but it's part of the Native American Repatriation Act that.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
So how'd that work? So they found him on a dig, Yes,
well up the skeleton they're blown away by they get it.
Rec I mean the cost of reconstructing a face like
that is thousands of dollars. And then because of this
three whatever they call it, they had to the local
tribes put him back in the ground.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Correct wow, because it did not fit with their narratives.
So the biggest detractors of the whole Kennewag commn find
were the Native Americans. They did not like the fact
that he was essentially a Caucasian and that he could
be here in upstate Washington State, and that he would

(15:52):
be as old as he was, so they demanded that
the body be repatriated and reburied, and it has been
in an unknown location and will never be seen by
scientific eyes again. And Cliff, this is very similar to
whenever the remains of giants were found. And I live

(16:15):
out in northwestern Nevada where there had been a giant
freshwater lake during the last ice Age. It's called Lake Lahatton.
And in Lake Clahatton, all around the high level mark
there were these caves where they found giant phones. And
you really don't hear about that much in our history books,

(16:38):
nor do you hear about And here's a map of
Lake Lahoton and it goes from Oregon to California, all
over northwestern Nevada, and you don't hear about that in
the history books. Nor do you hear about all the
giants that they pulled out of the mound sites, which

(16:59):
I cover quite extent all across North America. So there's
so many anomalies. And that's why I included kennewick Man
about our ancient history and who really populated this continent
so many millennia ago.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
If kinnewick Man is dated at nine thousand years ago,
do you think that he is a migrant from the
Pacific Ocean. Perhaps there was a some island remains of
Limoria or I mean, I don't go for the bearing

(17:37):
straight migration at all. I just don't think that's feasible.
But what's your feeling on that guy, because he is amazing.
His bone structure is right out of Germany or something,
you know, Norwegian or something. He's just he's like a
white boy.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, he's a white boy, all right. Yeah, But it's
quite conceivable that he did come via boat around the
shoreline of Asia to Alaska, down the Pacific Northwest and
then up the Columbia River, which is in the context
of the Columbia River is a very sacred native place.

(18:16):
The salmon still run the Columbia River. It's quite amazing.
So it's a huge food source, transportation avenue. It's it's
the biggest river on the West coast. It goes way
deep into the continent, all the way into Idaho and

(18:36):
also Canada, which you'd be able to navigate via a canoe.
And he was found right on the river bank of
the Columbia River. And so where he came from is
the big question. And it's unfortunate that his remains have
been reburied and lost because there's no way to do

(18:57):
additional testing on him, to do like the a Hapla
group to see where he was located. But a features
certainly came out as Caucasian.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Was there any artifacts that were recovered from where they
pulled him out of the ground.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm pretty sure there were. They were just pretty much
typical Native American type implement bow and arrow or spearhead
or baskets, that kind of thing. Nothing extraordinary, as I recall.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, one of the things that I really like about
your book, Brad is the fact that you questioned the
issues that anthropologists have regarding cultural what they call diffusion.
Whereas different parts of the world, and we know this
because of the different racial types show up in the
Maya culture, they show up looks like now in North

(19:51):
American Native culture. Why is it such a problem for
anthropologists to consider migrations from different parts of other worlds
or other countries.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well, I think it's this whole cookie cutter mold of
history that basically got set into place during the nineteenth
century when a lot of covered wagons were crossing America
under manifest destiny, which was basically just go anywhere you want,

(20:25):
We'll give you ten acres and a mule to just
settle these lands and get to basically Protestants to these
distant locations to claim the United States for this country,
especially after the Louisiana purchase. And so every time these

(20:46):
out of place artifacts would pop up, or giant bones
were found, or more recently the Kennewick Man, they just
didn't fit that cookie cutter model of history that it
was the Native Americans for and they came over the
Siberian to the land Bridge and went through a gap

(21:06):
in the glaciers and then populated the Americas. Well, Cliff
I was down in South America seven years ago and
looking at some of those megalithic ruins down there, and
they are now being dated much much much older as
well as the people and some of the ancient remains
that are being found these mummified bodies. Guy TV did

(21:27):
a collected sample of one of these mummies, and for one,
they're not only very old, but some of them are
not even human. So this all just bucks the trend
of the whole model of who populated the Americas. And
so when any of these anomalouses or out of place

(21:48):
artifacts pop up, they just get confiscated by the Smithsonian Institute,
and in the case of the giant bones, just done
away with dumped in the Atlantic OCE are the reports
they just want to get rid of. So don't you
find it interesting that just in the last month, Trump
is saying, well, we want to take a full accounting

(22:09):
of what the Smithsonian has and they're underground archives all
over DC. I have heard that. Really that just came out,
and a lot of us in the field are saying, WHOA, Okay,
maybe we will get some giant bones or some of
the few things that they decided they would preserve.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
That would be hilarious. Same changer, Yeah, that would be amazing. Hey,
when you wrote this book on sacred places, what do
you define brad as a sacred place? Give us that
hint on the top of your head. What were you thinking.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Exactly? Well, certainly it's not a place where there was
major bloodsheds or there's other books out there that will
do battlefield fights or places of great trauma or massacres
like Wounded Me. And while I'm very emotionally invested in

(23:04):
the horrors that took place at these locations, I don't
consider them to be sacred plates. So basically what a
sacred place is is anywhere that was revered as a
natural location, mostly to Native Americans. They were the first
ones to identify many of these sites around the continent.

(23:25):
But also sometimes the Native Americans built these medicine wheels,
or in New England you have the Beehive stone chambers,
which look very much like the beehive stone chambers of
Ireland and the Northern British Isles. So there's also European influence,

(23:45):
and a lot of these places, such as the medicine
wheels and the Beehive stone chambers, have archaeological astronomy astronomical alignments.
That's called archaeo astronomy when you put the two together.
Other because they also had a very profound knowledge of

(24:05):
the movement of the stars and the sun and other
heavenly bodies and could basically predict the seasons and the
time of year, and so so anytime there was an
archaeo astronomy alignment that certainly rang a bell. And as
far as Native American sites, and about probably about sixty

(24:27):
percent of the one hundred and eight sites in this
book are Native American. But then of course you have
that when the Europeans came over, and then they would
create their own sacred sites. Some are in Canada. Is
that one I just showed in Montreal and their pilgrimage sites,

(24:47):
so people go there. But what I found interesting, Cliff,
is that oftentimes the Europeans would choose sites that were
already Native American sacred sites, right right. So in the
case of Montreal, it's Mount Royal they named it, and
there's a big basilica up there where pilgrims go to

(25:08):
this day. But originally it was a sacred mountain an
island in the Saint Lawrence Seaway that was very special
to the Iroquois and other Native American people. So sometimes
you have this surplanting of newer sites than taking on
the form of older sites.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Something that you touch on a little bit on the
book is the energetics of these places, and this is
something that we don't have a sense of today because
we've lost it. We're not trained to be sensitive and
connect with tulleric energy or subtle energy coming from the earth.
What do you think we are missing when we are

(25:51):
not sensitive? And I think a lot of these places
are sitting on top of energy fields.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh yeah, and I also did well Moore books in
the series. But another one I did was Sacred Places Europe.
Right here you have sites that then go back thousands
of years. And I'll just give you one example, and
this does have telluric energy lay lines crossing through it,
and that's the Charts Cathedral in France, just about miles

(26:19):
from Paris, and that was originally a grotto, a cave grotto,
so you could even trace it all the way back
to Chromagnan or the Neanderthal people in this cave. And
then the grotto became a pagan trine, and then a
little Wattele church, one of the first Christian sites, and

(26:42):
then it became a bigger church, and then finally the
Charts Cathedral we see today, which was built in Gothic
style over a thousand years ago and is still standing.
So a lot of them have this tradition of being
on this location, which I found was really fascinating, and
more in the Europe book, because these lay lines are

(27:06):
quite prominent. But there are definitely lay lines everywhere in
the world, They're just a lot more pronounced in Europe,
where I think prehistoric people had a very good knowledge
of where they were and how they were able to
visualize them or couldn't even feel the energy, and decided

(27:26):
this is the spot. This is where we got to
put our temple, shrine, church, you name it.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Have you actually been to any place in the United
States that has these talluric energy fields that you could
actually feel.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Oh yeah, definitely, and usually the older the location. I'll
give you an example, Chaco Canyon. I was just there
to get a conference there in June. It was great,
and it was my second time there. The first time
I was there to go and research this book. Boy,
there's something about that place, even though it's just a

(28:01):
national park and the only people that live there permanently
are are the the people that work for the park Service.
It's totally abandoned. The ruins and they're all over the place,
and there were roads that radiated out. You can still
see the stairs carved right into the hillside. I mean
as straight as a Roman road radiating out from Chocoal

(28:23):
Canyon to the other great houses in the area. Yeah,
and that place. You definitely feel that this was chosen.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
But what are you feeling, Brad when you're walking along?
I mean, they don't let you climb the major pyramids anymore.
But what what are you feeling when you're walking among
those mud, earth and earthen works.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, it's kind of I would I would ascribe it
to something similar to negative ions in the air when
you go to a waterfall side or during a rainstorm.
You just get this kind of upwelling of well being basically,
And I always recommend that people just find a quiet

(29:07):
place at these sites and just sit down alone if
you can, and just think about it and meditate, just
let the whole concept of what the site is come
to you. And that's why I'm so proactive about traveling
to these sites. And of course in every one of
these sacred places, it has getting their information and yes,

(29:29):
something there never goes out of style. I mean, that's evergreen.
That will always be the directions to go to these places. Yeah,
so yeah, just recommend people experience the location themselves first
and then try to spend some quiet moments there and
just see what comes to you. See and a lot
of times I would get information on the site that

(29:50):
would even include in the book that really made a
lot of sense to me. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So when you say get you there and say my
intention for being here so you sit. An intention being
here is to get data on where this was, who
were the people, and what it's doing for me kind
of thing, maybe more on say a shamanistic level, and
just to say to myself.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
And see what kind of answer comes is what sort
of rituals were performed here? And for example, in Chocoal Canyon,
they have these giant kivas which were ceremonial centers, and
when you're looking at them, you can kind of picture
the people down there, the sun coming through the window
on summer solstice and being a very holy moment, and

(30:41):
you could kind of just put yourself in the picture,
I guess is what I mean. Not to say that
the factual background that the National Park Service is incorrect,
but just to kind of give you a perspective of
what a Native American might experience when this site was occupied.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, that's great suggestion. You know, earlier in your book
you describe that there are sacred sites that are caves
and mountains, and you talk about the Hope's San Francisco
Peaks as being residents of the Katchina. Can you talk
a little bit about the Kachina dolls are amazing, but

(31:23):
they're based on gods.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeahhh, the gods that live in the San Francisco Peaks
of northeastern Arizona, not too far from where I am
right now, right, and they would they would be in
basically hibernation or sleep for most of the year, and

(31:47):
then the Hope people would do their rain dances and
dress like the Kachinas and invite them to come down.
And when they did come down to the Three Hope Masas,
they would bring the life supporting monsoon rains, which every
day since I've been here in north northern Arizona, the

(32:10):
monsoon rains are forming in the afternoon and sometimes it rains,
but oftentimes you see the lightning, and so there's those
negative ions in the air, and it's this good, measured
feeling that you get from water crashing or electricity in
the air. And so I think that would have played

(32:31):
into the Hope people feeling that these clouds were coming in,
that they could actually draw them in, that they could
do a rain dance, and that these Kachinas were responsible
for the rain. And gee, let's face it, without rain,
you have no crops and you don't live for very long.
And maybe why Chaco Canyon was abandoned in prehistory, and

(32:52):
nobody really knows why, but it could have just been
a sustained drought.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, we're gonna take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guest today, Brad Olsen, discussing his book Sacred
Places of North America. Will be right back. We're discussing

(33:59):
sacred and aid places in North America today with my
guest Brad Olson. This features a number of locations, perhaps
in your state. Let's talk about some other well known
mountainous areas. Mount Shasta, north of where I am, seems
to be just covered in legend, most notably the Limorians

(34:24):
that live inside of it. And you know, and there's
always stories of Bigfoot UFOs. I mean, they have a
UFO conference up there, I think every other year or something.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
You know that area.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
What is it about Mount Shasta that's so special?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, for one, it's one of the tallest of the
Cascade Mountains, one of the tallest mountains in North America.
Just as free standing, almost perfectly conical volcano that you
can see for hundreds of miles in all directions, just
just amazing. The Native American called it Great White because
it sustains glaciers all year round, except for just five

(35:06):
years ago all the glaciers melted for the very first
time ever.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
The prophecy with the Modoc Indians that when Mount Shasta
loses all its glaciers that would be the beginning of
great earth changes. I think we've kind of seen that
out in the last five years. But what makes it
so special and why people believe that there could be
a civilization down there, is because it's riddled with cave

(35:33):
systems all over the place. They're the Subway cave you
can go into near Bernie Falls you need a flashlight,
of course, and then another one closer to the town
of Weed right on the banks of Mount Shasta called
Pluto caves, and boy, those go for miles, and those

(35:54):
are just the ones that the public are allowed to
go into. So my point is that there are all
these lava tubes and cave systems all over the place
to begin with, and that it would be sustainable for
some inner civilization at least. That's the belief. That the

(36:16):
neck of Shasta goes down over one hundred miles, I understand,
and off the flanks of all these lava tubes could
be civilizations or even in the case of Telos, is
the name of the city down there, a whole civilization,
a whole city.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Has anyone seen anybody coming out onto the surface or
it's just rumors.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, there's this book that came out called A Dweller
on Two Planets, and he described this Lamurrian very human like.
You could walk by him on the trail and wave
to him and said, wow, that guy, something about him
is or whatever you turn around he's bought. His name
was Philos, and Filos would ring a bell and if

(37:05):
you were of the right mind or energy, he would
invite you in and give you a tour of Tailor's.
So that was in the book A Dweller on Two Planets,
And ever since then there have been a lot of
reports of people being of that state of mind where
they were invited in, including a gentleman named Lowell Johnston

(37:27):
who spoke at quite a few conferences that I was at,
and he said he we got the access. He went
in on the location where and of course there was
no opening, but he said that a rock just kind
of moved aside, and he was met with some Lurmarne

(37:47):
people that took him on a tour and this is
just what he says. I'm not saying right or wrong,
but I'll tell you where we went to the Syke Cliff.
We knocked on the stone and it did kind of
ring hollow where maybe just the sort of rocket was,
but during it kind of had a reverberation when you
knocked on it.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
And where did you access that what you thought was
the entrance to this tailos?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
What is where Lowell Johnson said he was welcomed in
And it was not too far away from the parking
lot at the snow Bowl where the old ski resort
used to be that got taken out by an avalanche.
You just walk up the trail about a mile and
then climb up to these rocks.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
And that's where he said it was that great hiking
up there. I miss it a lot. Let's talk about Kahokia,
the Khokia Mounds of Illinois. This is a real sacred area.
We kind of talked about it briefly, but these earthen
mounds are are not only are they energetic, but they

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they're a lined to cosmological constellations too, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, Yeah, something about Kahokiah. It's really an amazing place.
I grew up in the land Lincoln, that is, Illinois,
and I've been to Kahokia probably a dozen times now
and was even in the Journey to Truth documentary about it,
which is available online. I think it's called the Mysteries
of Kahokia, And basically it is the largest mound which

(39:19):
they never nobody knew the name of it, because the
city was already abandoned by the time the first settlers
started coming through there. But it's called monks Mound because
then some Trappist monks took up residency and then used
the mound and grew some fruit trees on the side
of the hill.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I didn't know that. I didn't know monks actual.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Called Monk's Mound. And so the base of this earthen
mound has a larger circumference than the Great Pyramid of Egypt.
I mean, it's huge, and every they had to basically
carry up buckets of mud to create it. Hundreds of

(40:03):
thousands of buckets of mud to create this pyramid structure,
because in the Midwest there is no readily quarried stone,
especially around these mound sites, so they just had to
build them out of packed mud.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Wow, hadn't somebody done a ground penetrating scan of that
place and discover that there's something at the very base
of it?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, they sure have, and we were looking into that
the last time I was well the Journey to Truth.
Guys that are all from Saint Louis, So we would
we did the conference, the Journey to Truth Conference right
there in across the river in Illinois, and then we
would go to Kahoki on the last day of the

(40:50):
conference and that's when we'd explore around. So last time
I was there, and this is what it looked like
in its heyday. That's monk Mound in the center there
with the big ceremonial court and flanking pyramids, very much
like the Mayan cities of today. And so they did

(41:13):
do a drill in monks Mound and then they hit
something solid. They hit some sort of like a solid
inner chamber, which I don't think has been penetrated. They
know it's down there. And Kahokia just went from a
state park to a national park.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I was protected down.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
When I was there last year. They were in the
process of changing over the visitors center to be a
national park. So it's getting the recognition it deserves. But
while I was there, we met a local historian who
was also part of this documentary, and he said, when

(41:53):
when he was a kid, there were some digs that
were taking place, or maybe it was his dad, when
he was a kid, back in then nineteen thirties, so
ninety years or so ago, they were doing an excavation
right next to Monks Mountain. Lo and Behold, they dug
up giants. Oh wait, they went really Yeah, but he said,
you go over that visitor center and there's not a

(42:15):
mention of it, and everybody will deny it exists. And
this was also the case when I went across country
four times to do this book, and I'd pull up
at these mound sites, and every once in a while
i'd be able to speak to one of the archaeologists
on site. I would always request to have an interview
with them, and lo and behold every single time, Nope,

(42:39):
don't know anything about it. I said, well, but there
were newspaper articles that they found giants here in these
very rare, unusual artifacts or upahs out of place artifacts. No,
if they did, they're gone, they're lost. That's not how
we look at it these days. So there's this great
denial about our prehistoric history that anything that bucks the

(43:01):
trend of the Native American people here coming and starting
the Clovis culture, and then that's how it all began.
But that just keeps getting dated older and older and older.
And I was on a panel with Graham Hancock A
contacting the desert a couple of years ago, and that's
his saying, is that everything keeps getting dated older and
older and older. And I would agree with him. And

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so even the Clovis culture, which is just an arrowhead
that was found in Clovis, New Mexico, but it could
be dated because it was similar in the way that
it was created to other Clovis arrowheads found across the country.
And so they said, okay, well, here you go. This

(43:42):
is the foundational culture that started, because here's something that
took some intelligence to design, and that design spread across continent.
But now even with some digs there's up. The Topper
site in South Carolina has even predated the Clovia site.

(44:03):
And in fact, when they were digging the layers at
the South Carolina site, they found the Clovis arrowheads at
a certain level and then kept going down and finding
more and more artifacts. So yeah, Alcorvis has been outdated.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
But you know it's funny because the topper side dates
to fifty thousand years ago, right, and they don't they
still don't recognize it to the level of adding it
to the history books. Why, I mean talk about the
I mean that's an Ice Age people, right right, and
they don't even want to admit to Ice Age people.
And then we can circle back to kennewick Man, who

(44:41):
was well at the very tail end of the Last
Ice Age. But certainly the giants who lived around the
high level mark of Lake Lahotan during the Last Ice Age,
and there's a living memory of these giants with the
Paiute people in the state of Nevada in the book
My Life with the Piutes by Sarah Winnemucca, and the

(45:03):
town of Winnemucca, Nevada, is named after her family. They
were the chiefs and the shaman of the area. And
Sarah Winnemucca, who lived in the nineteenth century, she said
that this legend had been passed down that there was
this war between the Paiutes and these giants, and the
giants could actually eat them eat the Paiutes, so they're cannibalistic.

(45:27):
But you know, if you keep eating your own species,
you'll get these very rare diseases.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
And it's called a spongelitis.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
What's basically, what's the defect when you eat, when you're
a cannibal, what your digestion probably goes to hell? But
what else happens?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Sponge form encephalitis is what it's called. And it's basically
the mad cow disease. So when you feed your own
body parts, so the cows they were getting these very
strange and rare diseases where it would eat out the
brain tissue. Oh god, and there are other things that happen.
If you are cannibalistic. You can't do it for every meal,

(46:12):
you can. There are cannibalistic tribes. In fact, in my
book Modern Esoteric, I give an example of a tribe
of people that there was a sailor from Europe with
his wife, and one day he was invited to go
up to see their village in some far flung island.

(46:33):
I think it was in the French Polynesia island. Chain
wife stayed back with the boat. Guy went up. He
never came back. This is only about fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
They eventually found his charred bones on a fire, and
they basically admitted, yeah, we ate him.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I don't go on to this day. You hear about
those remote tribes that are cannibalistic. Wow, that's crazy. I
want to get some more clarification on this Topper site, Brad.
If I remember correctly, it was an actual university archaeologist

(47:09):
who began digging, passed through the Clovis site and went
into this Ice Age period and found significant artifacts dated
to fifty thousand years ago, and it kind of blew
the roof off of the conventional theory of progressive cultures

(47:32):
in the United States. And he was just pretty much
shut down, is what I remember.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah, that's right. So if anybody's in academia and they
dare go against the gospel of the Native American populating
North America, which of course the Native Americans support that
narrative as well, Oh but you'll be kicked out of
there pretty quick, and you'll lose your funding and your

(48:05):
job and your reputation real quick. So that's basically how
they kept people in line to go along with it.
But yeah, this Topper site in Allendale County, South Carolina,
North Carolina data fifty years ago. I mean, so this
just changes everything. And this is a professional archaeological dig,

(48:27):
so it's really hard to refute the findings basically, and
so I think they just have to basically go with
these well known archaeological digs and then redate themselves accordingly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
I mean, we're seeing this in Egypt too, with these
new sarscans piercing Great Pyramid and piercing Hawara area underground labyrinth,
and it looks like there is an earlier part of mankind,
a sophisticated part that was perhaps wiped out in a
big catastrophe. But this evidence is just being either refuted

(49:05):
or ignored or disposed of in a certain way, to
the point where it's becoming almost conspiratortory, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, Yeah, it's created quite a rift with Egyptologists because
they did the they did the scan from a satellite, see,
so they didn't even need permission to come into Egypt.
But when I was in Egypt in ninety three, I

(49:34):
didn't know it at the time, found out later, but
at the very same time March of ninety three, when
I was there, they were scanning the Geze Up plateau
on the ground and finding that it was levels and
chambers and passageways all over the place. It was like
Swiss cheese down there. Yeah, and they were all kicked

(49:54):
out of the country. This is called egypt Gate. But
enough of the knowledge of this underground city, basically under
the Gizel Plateau, enough of that information got out. And
now that this new team has come in and done
more satellites and shown it to be very extensive under

(50:16):
all the pyramids, and very deep and very wide. And
so one time I was at a conference also contacting
the desert, and sitting next to me was jj Hirtak. Oh. Sure,
we're friends and we compare notes from time to time,
and the microphone was way down at the end of
the table. So we just had our turn to talk
and we knew it the ten or fifteen minutes and

(50:38):
come back. He kind of nudgined me. He goes, hey, Brad,
you want to see something really cool. Of course, you know,
under his breath, because we're in front of the panel.
We didn't want to be rude or anything, but he
kind of pulled out his briefcase between his legs and
just showed it to me, not in view of the people,
but he said that he went down there, and there

(50:59):
is a chain under the Great in the Giza Plateau
near the Great Pyramid that's so big that you could
put a Gothic cathedral in it. And there's a branch
of the Nile River that flows right through it. So
it's like this whole underground city with part of the
Nile that flows through and chambers that are just ginormous.

(51:20):
And he showed me the images that he had in
his briefcase.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, the authorities in Egypt are sitting on just a
revelation for history. But I think the problem that the
pushback would be so great they wouldn't get funding anymore.
They desperately need to have their funding. I want to
ask you, Brad, why the number one eight on these

(51:47):
books the Sacred Places of Europe, the Sacred Places of
North America, and the Sacred Places of the World. Yeah,
what's one oa? What is that your secret formula?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I see, Well, you know the original book, which is
a second edition Sacred Place around the World was one
oh one site. So that's kind of like a I
don't know, maybe kind of kitch to use that now much,
but one O eight is a very sacred number, especially
to people in the East. And so a lot of
the temples around the world that I feature in the

(52:22):
Around the World book have the number one oh eight
incorporated into the design. For example, that Bora Badur on
the island of Java in Indonesia, there are one hundred
and eight of these bell like sculptures in which a
Buddha would be sitting in all of them. Wow. And

(52:43):
in other locations in Nepal, you'd go to a stupa
and around the base of it are one hundred and
eight of these bells or these wheels that you could spin.
So they believe the one hundred and eight is this
sacred number, and by building it in to the architecture
of these temples that it basically enhances the whole number.

(53:08):
And here's a here's a quick little multiplication trick for you.
So two times two that is two squared times three cubed.
That's three times three times three multiplied by two times
two equals one hundred and eight.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
And what are we doing with all those cubes and
squares and stuff? What's that all about?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Right? So squared is times two, cubed is times three.
So three times three times three is thirty six times four,
which is two times two equals one hundred eight.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
So there's a sacredness to that.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
There is, and it's this prime number that is divisible,
so it also works into many of these mathematical equations too,
and that could also be part of the reason why
it's believed to be a sacred number. In the East.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Okay, now I got you. Okay, you mentioned the Chucko Canyon.
I have not been there yet. I can't believe I
haven't been there. I'm gonna have to do a tour there.
But there this is a part of this, These kivas,
Casa ring A Doda.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Have you been there to that place? Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, I was just there in June.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
It's a huge kiva, is It's.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
The biggest one in North America? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah. And that thing was built for observing the Cosmos,
wasn't it correct.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So the summer solstice sunrise, there's a special room where
the sun shines right into the kiva, which used to
be covered so it was nearly pitch black down there,
and you'd enter via a ladder in the ceiling and
then sit along the benches on the side, and then

(55:04):
of course I would imagine dances would take place, including
the Kachinas, these ring gods. So that's what I mean
about kind of imagining what life would be like when
these locations were fully functioning and occupied, and kind of
get a picture in your mind of what it's like
when you spend a little time alone or have a

(55:28):
chance to just kind of meditate and think about it.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
You know, it's funny. The anasacy are such such strange people.
We don't really know a lot about them, but they
seem like they're a branch of a very sophisticated culture
because of the way they design these buildings. What's your
feeling on that are like? Are they like a branch
of the Maya? Are they a branch of Themoria? Are
they a branch of an unknown culture that just died out?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
M Yeah, that's a great question, and I'll defer this
to my friend Clifford Mahoodi, who is a Zuni elder,
and the Zuni were related to the Hopie. They're basically
blood brothers in many ways. Unfortunately, Clifford passed three years ago.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I know as a friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Presentation, I would sit in and listen to his talk.
He basically said that they don't like to use Anasazi.
Clifford corrected me and said to us, this is the
A word, as we would say the N word. You're
not supposed to say Anasazi because what it means is
ancient enemy. And it was given to the ancestral Pueblou

(56:37):
and people. That's the name they prefer by the Navajo,
who came much later, as well as the Arapa Hope.
They came down from the north, not even two thousand
years ago, and so the Hope and the Zuni were
well established here in the Southwest, and they had created

(57:01):
this very sophisticated culture which was borrowed upon by these
other invading people. They too have their own version of
the Kachinas and the gods and recognize the same sacred
places that the ancestral Publoan people did. But Clifford Mahoudi
and his presentation said that they were the survivors of Limuria,

(57:23):
even older than Atlantis. So when Lomuria was a continent
in the Pacific, what survivors made it to North America
then became the first population of this continent, at least
in the southwest region, and that were the ancestral Publoans.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Wow, we're going to take a short commercial break to
allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return
shortly with my guest Brad Olson discussing his book Sacred
Places of North America. We'll rejoin you shortly. We're speaking

(58:44):
with Brad Olsen, the author of Sacred Places of North
America and getting an idea of just where the hotspots
and the vortesses and the sacred spaces are in North America.
How do we get to this area this Chaco Canyon?

(59:06):
Is there a highway that takes you to a visitor
center and then you're you can't walk into the kiva anymore?
Can you?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You can't walk into it. You can walk around it,
and you can walk through Pueblo Benito, which is the
largest great house in Chaco Canyon, and there are other
great houses there too. By that, it just means a
very large pueblo in multi storied. To me, they kind

(59:34):
of look like apartment blocks. They are three stories tall
and people lived on top of each other. Yeah, just
as they do in this world today. So, yeah, there
is a visitor center there at Chaco Canyon, but only
dirt roads to get in, about twenty miles on the
south road and then twenty or so miles to get
to Farmington in northwestern New Mexico where it's local.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
So you can over You can look at the kiva
from the hillside, but you can't enter any of the
chambers anymore. I guess, huh oh, but you go for
the kiva.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
That's correct. There are some kivas in Pueblo Bonito, but
again they were they asked you not to climb down
into them. And you can understand why. You kick loose
a couple of stones and might collapse a wall. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, I'm asking because there's a section I want to
talk about next, which is your You call them the
Sedona vortses, which are earth energy centers, and well, what
about those, because I mean, I've only visited Arizona a
couple of different times and I don't remember any talk

(01:00:45):
of vortices anyplace. But there must be significant enough and
part of dwellings. And it's funny because Arizona is all
full of very funny things like Area fifty one, and
these UFO sidis are everywhere. So these for tests have

(01:01:06):
probably been known for centuries, hundreds or thousands of years,
and there's something about them regarding all kinds of anomalies,
anomalist satis UFOs, creatures of all kinds. So talk about those,
will you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, sure, well, Area fifty one is actually in the
state of Nevada, but excuse me, yeah, just about two
hundred and fifty miles away across the Colorado River. That's
the big challenge. Just how do you cross the Colorado River,
which created the Grand Canyon. There's only a couple bridges
between the state of Colorado and Utah and all the

(01:01:46):
way down to Needles near Yuma, Arizona. The Navajo Bridge
near Page was one of the first and now, of
course the Hoober Dam acted as a bridge until they
put in a larger ridge, So that's how you connect
to the other side, the northern part of the Colorado River.

(01:02:07):
But the vortexas are basically these energy fields that are created.
And here's a map of the Verdi Valley. This happened
to be right where I'm at today, and they're they're
these they're unseen, so I guess in some some people unproven.

(01:02:29):
I found that women are able to detect the energy
that comes out and it's kind of a swirling energy
in these vortices. And there's four main ones here in
the Verty Valley that people recognize as being active, and
so we were talking earlier about telluric energy or lady lines.

(01:02:50):
It's kind of in that category of earth and energy
that certain people can pick up on. Even dawsers will
pick up on this and they say that that it'll
enhance your mood and kind of like the negative ions
in the air, just just feeling of well being by

(01:03:14):
being there at these vortexas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So that might be a reason to stay even though
it's extremely hot there. The vortices are compelling enough to
make you want to stay there, I guess in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
The summer when it's hot like now, But boy, it
snows up here and it's cool and we're weren't high elevation.
We're at a sedona is over four thousand foot elevation.
I think it's about forty four hundred feet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
So are they yeah, is sedon these ortices? Are they
noted by the ancient people there as circular formations on
the side of a cliff and that would identify where
there were there origin is? Or how do we determine

(01:04:03):
where these vortices are located?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, that's a good question. And some people say I
didn't feel anything. I don't think there is such a thing,
and that could be their opinion. But there are these spots,
usually at the top or on the side of these
very dramatic mountains. So there's one that you have to
hike two a couple miles in Boyton Canyon and it's

(01:04:31):
just on the end of a Box canyon up on
a red rock. Another one at Bell Rock, the whole
Bell Rock is a vortex site. Cathedral Rock you also
have to hike up too, and it's in this saddle
between two spires. And then the most successful one, it's
called Airport Vortex, which is just above West Sedona on

(01:04:54):
the drive up to the airport and you just pull
over to that one. It's short hike up to this
this Red Rock hill and that's where they say one
of one of the vortexes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So has a National Park Association put up signs that
say these are vortases and this is where you can
you know, enter them, or is it more like local
lore that you have to follow to get to these places.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Well, it started out with local lore. And it's funny
you bring that up, because there are signs that say
that some people believe that these are vortices and they
have this earth energy, so I think they have to
acknowledge it, but they don't really confirm it. They don't
confirm nor deny it. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
They must get enough questions that have to put it
on the plot card or the sign that says this is,
you know, it could be a vortes, but we're not
gonna admit it, which is funny. Hey, you're in Nevada, Brad,
and they just finished Burning Man. You have an interesting
passage of Burning Man, and I didn't realize that it

(01:06:00):
has a kind of an interesting history. Black Rock City.
I had to talk about that, can you sure?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Yeah, Well, it's in the black Rock Desert. Nothing to
do with the company black Rock is sometimes people associated
nothing to do with it at all, And there actually
is a giant black Rock compyramidal shaped mountain. In the
early years of Burning Man, back in the nineteen nineties
when I first started going, you could just drive out there,

(01:06:30):
and that was named by the pioneers who are crossing
the black Rock Desert, which is just a giant one
hundred mile long dried lake bed and when it rains,
it actually fills up with water and every winter becomes
a lake and that's what knocks down all the sand
in the dust and gives you that perfectly flat patina.

(01:06:52):
It's mud, it's not sand, it's just dried, caked mud
that cracks, but it's perfect drive on. In fact, they've
tested some of the fastest cars in the world in
the Black Rock Desert and achieved land speed records there
and also the Bonavilt Flats of Utah, which is also
these playa dry lake beds. And so this event that

(01:07:17):
started in San Francisco on the beach, they got kicked
off of Baker Beach in the fifth year and they
weren't even able to burn this wooden effigy that they
called the man, the Burning Man. And so then there
was another group that was doing this camp out at
the Blackrock Desert. They say, hey, bring your man out,
we'll burn it there, and they did. And that started

(01:07:40):
nineteen ninety in the Black Rock Desert.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, the thirty five years out of that location and
almost forty years since it began.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
So you didn't do it this year. You didn't go
out this year, Brad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
No, I didn't because I had a conference I was
speaking at in Sedona.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I heard it. I was looking at some I have
friends that goover I have friends that go overy Yere,
and I was looking at pictures and they got hit
with some serious rain this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Serious rain. Yeah. Well that was on the early side.
And I was there for two years ago during the
mud burn year, and that was on the backside, and
that got people stuck and trying to leave. So this
is on the front end. So a lot of people
just delayed their arrival to let this weather go through
after Wednesday, and then from Thursday on it was perfectly fine,

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great weather.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yeah, so you do it regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I live up there. I'm only one hundred and twenty
miles due south of Black Easy, where my ranchet. Yeah,
that's an easy haul. But I was double booked this
year or so I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I didn't know. I mean, is there is the spot
chosen not only for its location and climate, but is
it also thought of to have some energetics involved in
it at all?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
And that is exactly what is made by the people
that come there. And on Sunday night they burned the temple,
which is the second most important piece of artwork. That's
built every year, always out of wood. The man they
burn on Saturday night and then the temple is Sunday.
And that's why I included it in Sacred Places North

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America because it is kind of this new pilgrimage site
many people that'll just withstand these terrible weather incidents just
to be out there for it and have life changing experiences.
But in the temple, if somebody passed away recently, and

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so last year I went and my mom had passed
away fifteen months ago, so I designed and drew a
big memorial for her and another one of my childhood friends.
And I was there with a childhood friend who was
his first burn. It was my seventeenth. But so it
can become very interpersonal if you put a memorial for

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a loved one who passed away in the temple. And
so on Saturday, when they burn the man, it's just
wooooo big party and fireworks and goes all night. But
when they burn the temple, it's a very solemn occasion
and it's it's mostly very quiet while you watch this
temple burn, and it's kind of the old saying, ashes

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to ashes, dust to dust. It just kind of gives
you this idea of mortality. When you see this temple
go up in flames.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
That's fascinating thought that they have the temple burn as
well as the man. It seems like it's kind of
a modern Chemanistic event in many ways. I have never
been to it, but it looks like there's something about
it that is a cleansing self cleansing. That's very very

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strange about it, but also very fascinating. I want to
talk a little bit about petroglyphic areas, Petricklyff Point and
some of these other places that you have featured in
the book that are so prominent, but we just because

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they're out in the desert or they're close to major highways,
we don't stop and visit these places.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, and they're really all over the place in the
West and even in the Northwest. So petroglyph means that
they're chiseled into the rock. Pictograph means they're painted onto
the rock, and both are quite prominently featured throughout the
Southwest and the Northwest. And so Petroglyph Point that's at

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Lava Beds National Monument in the far northern part of California,
and just amazing. Petrick Glyph displays when another prehistoric lake
called two Lay Lake had been filled enough with water.
Now it's gone, but the petroglyphs are way up high

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on a cliff wall that they would come in their
boats and chisel them. It's quite fascinating. If you're ever
up there near two Lay Lake, just on the Oregon border,
do check it out. It's just amazing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Hey, as we close, I want to finish our talk
with some of the bigger and better known medicine wheels.
You mentioned one in Canada and of course in northern California.
I'd have to fly to Canada. Are there medicine wheels
of noted size in say, Western United States?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
The ones that I know about, and I think they're
the only ones unless they're built more into modern age,
are all in the great planes on the slopes of
the Rocky Mountains, so all the way up into Alberta
and Saskatchewan, Canada, Canada, but also went into Wyoming. And

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the most famous one is called Big Horn medicine Wheel.
And that one is a veritable astronomical archaeo astronomy site
which all the wheels face off into different directions. In fact,
I do a map of it in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
So it's astro astronomy. Astronomic it's not anything regarding to
Earth based energy signatures. It's more just to map the various.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Planets, right right, So archaeo astronomy is the charting you
can see here. This is Big Horn Medicine Wheel, and
they have these carns, these stacks of rocks but you
kind of hollow on the inside. They call them spirit houses.

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And each one of those six spirit houses points to
either a prominent star like Sirius, Rigel, Aldebaran or Funnel Hout,
or they point to the summer solstice, sunrise, and sunset.

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So if you were a shaman who could read the
movement of the sun and the stars and the planets,
but most particularly the movement of the sun, then you
would know when you had to tell your tribe, okay,
it's time we start migrating south for the winter, or
if it summer, that are okay, we're safe. We can

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plant our crops now and stay up here until we
realize it's time to go. Because in the winter months,
Big Horn Medicine Wheel is completely covered with snow every year.
It's way up there on the saddle of mountain and
so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be useful in the
winter because it would be covered in snow. But certainly

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it was in the summer when they could use it
to chart out the movement of the sun, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
So it's an astronomical tool, uh right, only, I mean,
what what else were they using it for other than agriculture?
Was there would it be any kind of uh, shamanistic
prophecy or anything to do with healing work?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Well, I would imagine that it had certain shamanistic properties.
They would organize certain rituals or performances based on the
movement of these celestial bodies. And but again give them
a good idea when they needed to, say, strike out

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and start migrating south. So for example, on winter solstice,
which there is an alignment, that's right before the big
snows come and would probably be the time. Okay, it
has gotten to the farthest extent, it's gonna go. We
better go. And what's cool about it is it's on
this big plateau where you can see all the way
around three sixty degrees, as well as the rising of

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the sun and setting of the sun every night. So
we went out there on summer solstice and just camped
out the night before just to watch the sunrise, and
sure enough it just came right up over one of
those spirit houses, right along one of the spokes in
the medicine wheel, and was like, wow, amazing, it's still accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Wow, that's very cool. Hey, Brad, it's been fun speaking
with you. If you could put it in a succinct
paragraph or two, why did you write this book? Is
it more for those of us in the modern age
who have no sense of our ancestral path are past
both actually, or is it just to kind of give

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us a sense of historical places that we should be
aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah, that's a great question, Cliff. I think I did
it because I'm a traveler myself. I've been to all
seven continents, including Antarctica, and I just feel that these
are the really the most important locations that define the
best that humanity could be, both around the world and

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then throughout North America and course in Europe. And so
this is kind of how our civilization and our culture
has evolved around many of these locations, which became our
religions and many of our beliefs systems. So to put
this book together and make it accessible and give people

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directions how to get there. Is just a way to
facilitate other people having that opportunity to go to these
locations and experience them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Excellent. So it is Sacred Places of Europe, sacred places
around the world, and we're talking today about Sacred Places
of North Americas and eight destinations. So those are all
available on Amazon. How can people get a hold of you?
Give us your website and what you're up to in

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the next couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Sure, sure, Well my website where I have all my
upcoming conferences is it brad Olsen dot com, just as
my name is spelled dot com. And then CCC Publishing
dot com is the publishing website where all these books
are also available. And then if you ordered over CCC

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Publishing dot com, I'm able to sign copies for people
and then send them out to them. So it's even
a little cheaper than Amazon as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I got to ask you before I let you go,
what's going on with the Antarctica? I mean, are they
There's so much hinting going on. I even heard Graham
Hancock the other day talking about a pyramidal structure that's
very suspicious.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yeah, I know about that actually three pyramid sites. I
would like to know which one he's focusing in on.
But yeah, that's right. There is so much mystery of Antarctica,
and I went down there seven years ago on a sailboat,
not the easiest trip ever. But my new book is
going to come out at the end of this year

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called The Secrets of Antarctica, The Untold History of the
Ice Continent. So oh, that book comes out, you and
I should have another talk.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
We'll definitely have you come back. But before I let
you go, give me a sense, because I hear stuff
from like Linda Moulton Howe that there's an underground room,
that there's a long canal that takes you from the
surface down to this underground city, that the military is
known about it for decades. So I mean, give us flavor, flavor,

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the possibilities.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Linda is a great friend of mine and a colleague,
and she has put me in touch with Brian s
one of her main whistleblowers, and he and I had
an hour conversation a few months ago. So I use
a lot of material that Linda has put on her
show about Antarctica, and she freely allows me to quote

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her and use some of the other information. So she's
been a great resource. And indeed other scientists have scanned
the Antarctica ice much in the same way they did
at Giza in Egypt, and indeed found very symmetrical, right
angled grid like structures that Mother Nature doesn't create, perfect

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grid like structures in the size of a city that
are now being discussed as being under the ice, including
some pyramids which could be these ones that were scanned
under the ice that Graham Hancock could be talking about,
because I think this is like those Giza scans. This

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is hard evidence that there's something down there. And we
don't even have to be talking about hollow Earth, which
is inside the earth. This is just below the ice
on the continental level. But since there's a two mile
plateau of ice there called the Polar Plateau, and volcanoes

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all across Antarctica, it is the most geothermically active continent
in the world, so you'd have the propensity for these
large domes to form under the ice, and with the
heat from geothermal activity, it could be a warm and
pleasant environment, unlike the surface, which is very inhospitable and

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would kill you within a day if you weren't prepared
for that kind of cold and wind.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
So how in the areas that are presumed to have
these pyramids and ruins, isn't it like ten miles thick
of ice from the surface to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Not quite that thick. The deepest it has gone is
about three miles, but on average it's about two miles
on the polar plateau that is the largest part of
Antarctica called East Antarctica, and that continental plate that goes
all the way back to Pangaea or Gondwana land, which
broke off from India and Africa and Australia many millions

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of years ago, and then through continental drifts located at
its present position, which happened to be at the very
bottom of the planet. So that's why it froze over.
And it took a long time to create two plus
miles of ice, many many hundreds of thousands, if not

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millions of years to accumulate that much. So what secrets
are below, Well, you'll have to wait for my book
to come out. I really meal some of those secrets.
Clip excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah, we're gonna have to have you back. It doesn't
seem like it's a very hospitable place to do tours,
so that's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Not particularly so, that's right, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Yeah, Hey Brad, always a pleasure having you on the program,
and thanks for joining me. We'll have you back. What's
the book? Are you self publishing or are you going
to have a publisher for that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
That's going through CCC Publishing. We publish other authors, so
it'stributed through Independent Publishers Group and it'll be out at
the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Okay, we'll looking forward to having you back. Hey Man,
appreciate it being on the program.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Thanks again. Oh, always my pleasure, clip thanks for having
me on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
It's good to have Brad on the program. He's going
to be joining us this fall to talk about a
new book on Antarctica. He's made a couple of trips there,
and I don't know anybody who's actually been there. I
think Linda moldenhow might have been there once, but I'm
not sure. Also, I want to mention that if you
have an interest in visiting these sacred spots in the

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United States, get his book Sacred Places in North America,
And I'd like to know what you think of some
of these the Mound Earthworking Places, Kahokia Monks Mound, places
like that. I'm really curious. I need to get out
and see more of those places. I've told I've been

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told by a lot of people that they're a worthwhile visit.
It's funny because fifty years ago, my grandfather traveled through
the Southwest. He was going through Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona,
and he had a great interest in indigenous cultures and
Native Americans, and he spent and my grandmother spent a

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great deal of time in Navajo reservations Hope, and he
would collect jewelry, but he also collected Kachina dolls. And
I'm really kind of a little perturbed at myself for
not asking for those when he passed away a few
years ago, because those Kichina dolls are sacred, and when

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they make them, they are adding bird feathers and stones
from certain parts of the reservation, so they're actually idols
and they're actually having energetics that you can work with.
So it's what they tell me. So, but he traveled

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throughout the Southwest and was really enjoying it. He would
pull a trailer with my grandmother in the car. She
was game though. She loved that stuff. They went all
over the country. He was the immigrant from Germany who

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migrated to US, became a physician and worked at a
central California city of Pismo Beach. And Pismo Beach used
to be a stop for people who were driving from
San Francisco to Los Angeles. It's like a six hundred
five over five hundred mile drive, and he had a

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practice down there. He was like for years during the depression.
He was the only physician for like a thirty mile radius,
so he delivered a lot of kids. So anyhow, all right,
sacred places. Hey, we have a final tour this year.
It's in Guatemala. You've probably been listening to the ads

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we've been from. We have a handful of spots left.
This is an opportunity to connect with these ancient temples
that are down in Guatemala. And I got to tell you,
not only are we going to connect with the temples,
we have access to these wonderful pyramids that were designed

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for human interaction. You know, I keep saying that Mexico
is completely off limits. Now. I don't know why they're
doing this, but in Guatemala, the archaeologists down there are
working with the government and they're making the temples and
the Pyramids and the actual archaeological parks completely accessible and

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this is very very rare, and it's an opportunity to
sit and connect with the pyramids, feel the energy, do
a vision quest, do a prayer, and work with the energy.
The tour is December first of the twelfth. For more information,
should go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours

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and check it out. It is a wonderful tour and
I'm really looking forward to it if you're interested. In
twenty twenty six, we're going to be in Egypt in
April with Mohammad Imbraheim. You will hear him probably in
the next couple of weeks talking about the tour and
all the details for that tour. That go to the
same place Earth Ancients dot com Forward slash Tours and

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you can see the banner for the Megalithic Structures of
Ancient Egypt. So that's going to be April twenty eighth
through May tenth. Tours are fun, they're inexpensive, and they're experiential,
which is what it's all about. Earth Ancients dot com

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Forward slash Tours. All right, that's it for today. Thanks
to my guest today, Brad Olsen coming to us from Nevada.
Great to see him and talk with him. Always a
team of Guil tour, Mark Foster, Faya Bravar. You guys
rock all right. Take care of you well and we

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will talk to you next time. H