Special Edition: Jared Murphy & Kristi Bass, Near Death & the Unexplored Maya Ruins of Belize

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
We got another special edition not from the archive. This
is a friend who has returned.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And a few years ago we had an author who
was also a research investigator. His name was Jared Murphy,
and he wrote a book called It's not Aliens Worse,
It's Us. And I really was interested in that because

(00:46):
we were also talking about Mayan ruins, excavations, archaeology, consciousness
and so forth and so on. And at that time
I believe we had Jen Dale on with us, and
I think they Jim was gonna go down with Jared
to Central America to look at some sites that he

(01:08):
had highlighted.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well that's a few years ago that that never happened.
But we do have Jared back with us and a
new partner. Her name is Christy Bass, and they are
launching a new podcast called rko X Podcast, which airs
every Wednesday. We're gonna learn all about it. Hey, this

(01:30):
is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients. Today we're gonna
learn just what it takes to find the ruins of
an ancient civilization, a Mayan city in the and Belice
and what leads up to actually getting things done. Fun
about this interview and why it's a special edition.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
They actually use some Google satellite imagery, tracked down some ruins,
found the owner of a site and Belize, Central America,
and track down a site that's never been documented, has
no name.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It is a large ruin with a number of pyramids
that are over two hundred and fifty feet tall. And
what he's doing is he's trying to work around the
university or archaeological community and pull together his own experts,

(02:28):
including I just mentioned Christy Bass who is a lightar expert,
and some other figures that we're here about today and
actually use the local community, pay them to with supervision
excavate this site. And it's just and you'll hear this today.

(02:50):
It's just amazing what they uncovered. And we're going we
have pictures of this and we'll see if you're on YouTube,
you can see the photographs of it. But this all
came out and Jared had this. Jared had a heart attack,
poor guy, and was pronounced dead. And we're gonna hear
about this event that he had, this cardiac event and

(03:14):
the subsequent trips that he took to Central America and
Belize to do sites inspections. And he and Christy went
down there and met a light art specialist and it's
just fascinating. It's a really intriguing story and it hasn't end.

(03:37):
It hasn't ended. He wants to do tours take people
down there. And I think he wants to do tours
where people go down, they see the site and they
put on their gloves and they do under supervision, they'd
excavate some, you know, sections of this city, the civic area. Now,

(04:05):
I find this interesting because it's completely contrary to what
we hear about where a site is identified through locals
who have lived on the area for generations, and then
the university funds it and then the archaeologists get come
down survey it and then choose, depending on what their

(04:26):
budget is, choose a portion to begin to excavate. Now,
as you'll see from the photographs that are posted, a
lot of this city and there's no name for it,
is exposed. And one of the main areas that has
they're they're called complexes where you have multiple pyramidal platforms

(04:52):
with pyramids built on top of them, is very much
open to exploration and what it is exciting and I
don't know it has to be legal obviously, if they
have a group of professionals, but there's no archaeological team there.
These are geologists, these are definitely amateurs, and we're gonna

(05:18):
find all about it. We're gonna find out just what
they found. And it's like, wow, it's kind of cool
because you know, for a number of years when I
went down to Yucatan, and Yucatan's just barely excavated. In
other words, there's so many sites that are known by

(05:40):
the local community, the local Maya community that isn't known
by the archaeological community, and like Yukatan has not been scanned.
And when I used to go down there, I would
go to places like Koba, which is only part artially excavated,

(06:01):
and even the world class cities like Chichinitza, Ushmo, sail Labna,
those Pook Trail cities, they're just barely excavated. And you're
gonna remember when we have doctor ed Barharer on the program,
he reminds us that what we know of the Maya
is what like less than one percent, less than one percent.

(06:23):
So we're gonna hear some pretty eye opening predictions and
theories today on the program. So again the program is
focused around having Jared Murphy and Christie Bass on the
program and discovering what they found. We'll have photographs on

(06:46):
the YouTube channel, but a lot of these are coming
up now, including the early light Hoar photographs that you
can see on the Facebook page. And the community, the
local Maya community that pitched in and we're paid to
do some excavation and cleanup work. So real fun, very unusual, legit,

(07:10):
one hundred percent, one hundred percent legit because, as you'll
learn shortly, document not only documents, but permits have to
be requisitioned by the police government and they have their
own archaeological UH team that has to sanction the work

(07:31):
that has done on these sites. So so today's program
is Near Death and the Unexplored Maya Ruins of Beliefe
and my guest starred Jared Murphy and Christy Bass. This

(08:21):
is a special edition of Earth Ancients. We have a
friend that we are welcoming back who has actually been
through a lot. We're talking about Jared Murphy. He is
the author of It's Not Aliens Worse, It's Us. We
had him on I can't think I think it was
like three or four years ago, but he's a fascinating

(08:44):
guy and he has not only been through a lot personally,
but he has launched a new podcast. We want to
talk about that, as well as done some Indiana Jones
type of research in Central America. So I want to
introduce both Jared Murphy and his partner Christy Bass. They're

(09:06):
coming to us from Oklahoma. So hey, guys, good to
see you. How you doing.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's so nice to see you again, Cliff, thanks for
having us on.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
All right, we want to start with Jared's situation here.
This dramatic. I mean, we were just we were just
talking back and forth and all of a sudden I
heard from Jen Dale or archaeologists here is like Jared's
in the hospital. Jared's had a heart attack. Jared, Jared,

(09:35):
we serious too, you know. And I heard this and
I don't remember if I tried to reach out with
an email or something, but it was bad. So, hey,
what's been going on with you? What happened?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Did you take some some bad medicine or were you
on a psychedelic journey?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
And uh, you know, alignment?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
It was really funny. As a side note, I have
heard that some people that take ayahuasca it's so intense
that they don't necessarily have a hearttach where they have
like a psychic break where they're like they had to
kind of like be mellow for a week or two,
sometimes as much as a month, because it's shipped that
the whole, the whole reality has shifted. So but yours,
yours is a little more grounded. Talk a little bit

(10:20):
about what happened, Phella, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Sure, well, and Christy can speak to the ayahuasca part,
but and and she she's an.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Expert, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
She's she's an astro plane, astronaut, astronot. That's it. Yeah. So,
by the way, it is for everyone listening, it is
entirely due to Cliff that when we met, that's how
I met Jen Doe, and that that has been She's
a wonderful human being. And uh that was great, thank

(10:54):
you because you're like, oh, you're in You're in Saint Paul, Minneapolis.
It's like, so is Jen, and it's like, you guys
should get together.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You guys were actually going to go do what you
Christy you did, which is go down and see some
sits somewhere. But I just didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, because she worked in Iraq, she's worked in Syria,
She's worked in a lot of places. And then and
and really Jen and I were on track to do
all that, but she moved. You know, that's what happens
when your husband's a rocket scientist.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Can you imagine the pillow talk?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh yeah, it's like, hey, honey, what did you today?
I invented it? Do a rocket? You're going to Mars
And it's like, okay, but yeah, we uh it's it
was hor rough. I probably didn't get back to everybody
when I died, but I did go to I went
as far as having a widow maker. So I had
a heart attack. Then I had a cardiac arrest. And

(11:45):
this was two years ago on Memorial Day. And it
was two weeks after I got back from Belize. And
you know, I had written the book. You and I
had met and and the book was really a foundation
to getting what was going to be. I didn't have
an idea of what was going to be. I had
no idea how it was going to be the life.
I mean, when we get to the website, you're going
to see because entirely what we already talked about off

(12:09):
off air, what in me meaning Christy, what has happened
and what's evolved into I mean entirely this is I
had an idea and then really what it's turned into
is because of the woman sitting next to me.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
M fantastic. Before we before we get into Christy, give
us the circumstances of your heart attack. Were you hiking,
were you walking, were you driving? What was going on?
And the bigger point is did you get a sense
that was your heart bothering you? Were you having some
physical problems? Because in my case, I was I was

(12:44):
hiking and I was like, wait, something feels weird. And
then I started losing the energy as I was coming
down the hill like a I mean, I was out
in the middle of nowhere. So I got in my car,
drove to a local hospital. Luckily it was close by,
and they're like, you're having a heart attack. But it
was weird for me because it was like, what's happening?

(13:05):
And leading up to it, I had like little weird sensations.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
And so when you say leading up to it, like
how how far.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Before that, actually I'd say I'd say a couple of
weeks before I'd had strange heart sensations. I should have
I should have, you know, called in ahead of time.
But I'm always one of these guys. It'll go away,
you know, it'll pass. I will, I'll be fine. But
I'm just curious, Jared, you know, because sometimes there's like

(13:37):
little messages and little warning signs and something that's impending.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Oh yeah, Well, and just so everyone's clear, you had
a whittow maker just like I did.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right, I did. And that's and it's funny because they
put the stint they extended me right in that artery
on the heart.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
So yeah, me too, I think so since we're unpacking
and you can double as my therapist or psychologist. So
for everyone, I do design, build, historical remodeling. That's kind
of my background for a number, well a few decades now.
So I can do anything with either dirt or home

(14:16):
existing or not or whatever. I can do anything, really truly,
And I just mean that I can design or I
can repair, do that kind of work. And being from Minnesota,
we have a bit of a different work ethic than
a lot of places. And so for anyone wondering, I
was one hundred percent entirely blocked. The lower dessetting widow
making artery was one hundred percent block. I was I

(14:38):
had been in the jungle, you said it had I've
been hiking. I don't complain about stuff. So did I
have a sixty pound pack? I did? And was I
in the jungle for We were in the jungle for
four to seven miles a day in the jungle with
razor grass and really right yep in Belize, and for
two weeks we had twenty six target satellite sites and
I put together group and I think it was entirely

(15:00):
stress related. But I apparently like to work cliff until
I die. So if it comes to people's pain thresholds,
I don't know where yours is at or anyone else's,
but I'll go till I'm dead. And I don't stop.
I don't complain. I just keep working and I work hard.
And apparently I said I had a headache. Now for

(15:20):
everyone listening, I was on fentanyl. They put me on
a lot of drugs. So here's what happens. According to
the reports, I said I wanted an ice cream sandwich,
which is not something I've wanted in like fifteen years,
And I apparently will end up sharing that ice cream
sandwich from my digestive tract to the paramedics who were
really keen on telling me about it since I survived.

(15:41):
And then afterwards they said they wanted to go to
Dairy Queen for some reason, but I ended up having
a headache. I said, I wanted tile and all, and
I had a headache, but I just kept working and
I sat down on.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
The front in Minnesota. You're in Minnesota when this is happening.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
And so I've been back from Belize for two weeks
and I die right there on the front steps. It
looked like I was having a seizure. That's a rare
thing too with heart attacks. It looked like I was
having a seizure, so they didn't think it was a
heart attack. Even they thought it was something else. And
so I was taking what's called the death breasts when
the paramedic showed up in five minutes, and fortunately was
by an incredible medical center. Hadn't been County Medical Center.

(16:16):
It's a joint teaching hospital with the Mayo Clinic and
the University of Minnesota. So we're talking about the likes
of doctor Najerrying and a lot of really really intelligent
heart people that they basically I was in the right
place at the right time.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
You said death breaths. I hate to interrupt this beautiful monologue,
but you said death breaths. I haven't heard you refer
to them as that.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
What is that the first time I heard them? They're
pretty scary. If for that, I guess I can kind
of I can mimic one I've heard. I don't know
what I sounded like, but some people can go on
for minutes. So say you're sitting betsided with someone who's
maybe not doing well, when they're body, when they're really
shutting down and they're still fighting to go, So what

(17:06):
you'll start to hear and I'll mimic a couple. But
what it is is that's good and it's like, hm,
it's really bad.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
That's terrible. You're just like hanging on.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Here we go. Yeah, they're like what I'm doing, but
they're deep. Yeah, and they keep going and so like
and then and you can almost feel their their they're
rattling their chest rattling.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's really so where are you You're walking out of
the house.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I was working, I had I had come back from believes,
I'd unpacked a lot of my stuff, and I had
a job site where we had collected you know, we
had all the satellite imaging and we had done the
expedition was so successful and what what right now, it's
not r qox Right now, it's just it's not aliens.
And we're going to do field work and I know
what we're going to do. And we had done it

(17:59):
and went really well. But now we're back. We got
to unpack all this data. We had filmed a bunch
of stuff and we helped the owners of the land
on on track to find two and a half to
three and a half million dollars worth of stolen artifacts.
And it was a giant archaic Indiana Jones looking archaeological
theft site. And so we're all excited about it. But
here I am at a job site on a front
patty of porch in South Minneapolis, and I was doing

(18:22):
the day job and I sat down to take that break,
and the next thing, you know, the friend I was
with he looked outside it and looked like I was
having a seizure, and they and and I'd fallen over
hit my head, and.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
So he called the ambulance.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Which was Memorial Day. So apparently people don't like to
do things on Memorial Day, like die or do things.
So the fire, the fire paramedics came. The fireman came,
and the regular paramedics came. Everybody came, and all the
neighbors came out, and a very populated South Minneapolis neighborhood.
And from the time I dropped to the time I
had a heart stint, I was dead for forty five

(18:56):
minutes total. They had to restart my heart seven times.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You were uncaught just when they ambulance you to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, So they immediately hooked me up to what's called
the Lucas machine, and they broke five of my ribs.
They in debated me, and seventy minutes later, I had
a heart stint after they got my heart started, which
would not stay started for forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
You look miserable in that bed with being hooked up.
So was that after they put the stint in.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, for some reason, having been dead for forty five minutes,
they said that for some reason, I needed to be
in the coma to help. They had dropped the temperature
in the room and I apparently they tried to wake
me up four times. Coma was only supposed to be
induced for a couple days, but apparently I wasn't responding well,
and then eventually they had said that, well, you know,
he's been dead for forty five minutes. It's cognitively, it's

(19:45):
the fact that he lived. Ninety one percent dies, so
the of the nine percent that lived, eighty percent are
incapacitated in extremely physical and mental ways or both, and
so the likelihood of me being functional at all. But
I can tell everyone that I walked out of IC
you in seventeen days and then I had a full
They when they when I did the full heart rehab,

(20:06):
I had one percent my ejection fraction rate. So I
was dumb about hearts.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I didn't know your heart wasn't damage. You didn't die,
part of the heart didn't die.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, So I have damage to my lower part of
my heart. I do have damage. Oh okay, what does
not happen is I didn't know that your heart sucks
and pushes blood. I thought just I thought just pushes blood.
I thought just squeezes like a muscle.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
It never occurred to me that it's sucking and pushing.
So the ejection fraction rate never recovers what mine did
in three months. And they said this is a miracle.
And so there's a lot of anomalies about my recovery.
One being as dead as long as I was functioning
as well as I did until then, and then uh walk.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
They don't call it death, they called you were just
in a coma.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
No, I had my so first I had a heart attack.
Then I had a cardiac arrest, so my heart stopped. Oh,
I was just straight up dead. And then they would
double paddle my heart, and then they ultimately went to
double paling that maximum, and my heart would start and
then it would stop, then it would start, and then
it would stop. So I was straight up dying over

(21:15):
and over seven times. Wow, sometimes it work.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, coach. The question now is did you pass through
the tunnel of light and see relatives? And who was
the shaman on the other end that said you you
need to go back, buddy, your time's not up yet.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Back to the right. So that is the assumption. The
uh the ayahuasca expert over here had the brilliance do
I just thought we're going to start saying enough until.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
It is bo was that Christians was Christie's by the
side of the bed, shaking a rattle or something.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
And I didn't know where you yet, ramonic shimonic drum,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
My daughter was there, and everyone knows I love led
Zeppelin and back and there's a number of musicians that
I'm fond of, extremely passionate about, I really do. There's
my daughter was there, my brother was there. Yeah, and
they were playing music for me that was things they
knew I liked. And yeah. So there's these protocols to

(22:13):
wake you up. And I won't repeat exactly what I said,
but they're like, listen, he was dead for forty five minutes.
He's not going to function. Well, we don't know what's
going to happen. So ultimately that I was on a
fentanyl cliff and a bunch of drugs that they deleted
my memory for a couple of days even prior to
the event, and prior I have no memory of what happened. However,
this is where her idea of doing some regression maybe

(22:35):
either either whether it's ayahuasca or whether it's some really
good hypnotherapists. There's some different activations that we want to
do to try to recover my memory of that time,
because there's no way, according to some some of the
people's psychic. Some of the people that we've spoken to
since they're like, you are not the same human beings.
Some people die and they come back near the same person.

(22:56):
The advice has been given. Barbara DeLong, for instance, as
has said, you are not You're not the same.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Actually she said you were not alive, I think is
what she said? Are you what she How did she
word it? I don't remember, but it was basically like,
you're just dead.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well are you thinking that? You know? You were worried
that you were going to be a walk in that
you wouldn't be Jared Murphy anymore. You'd be only physically
Jared Murphy. But you're some other soul. That's why a
lot of people were interpret when they leave their body.
I don't think you sound you sound the same to me.
You look the same. You got a big smile, and

(23:32):
I'm looking at Christy. Christie's smiling too.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
So I think, if you're just a different version, what
if you're just what if a different time? What you know,
you just jumped into your body from a different timeline.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You're two point zero?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I will tell you that your higher self took over after.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
They woke me up. I will tell you this is
that apparently I asked about two hundred times, one hundred
times before I ever knew what was going on, like I,
and so all I can tell you is the moment
that I remember asking the question where am I? I
had already asked it a couple hundred times, but I remember.
All I remember is asking it where am I? And
the answer this is the answer. I remember they said
you died and you're in a comment. And it literally

(24:15):
took me about a minute maybe not even somewhere between
fort choice seconds to have been and a half to
realize to fully let it sink in because I like
situational awareness. I like to know who's arouwing me, what's
going on. I'm not distracted by it, but it's again
it's ten years in the restaurant business. And also it's
like is there a thread or I'm not worried about anything.
I just I noticed things. And so once I had
the assessment of like I could comprehend the needles, I

(24:37):
could comprehend, and they're really upset and I'm definitely in
a private I must be bad because I'm in my
own room, hoom, and I know it's ICU and so
I'm assessing all this instantly, Cliff. And then there's this
part of me that says, I now have the control
and power to not die. Yes, So there's a point

(24:58):
that's kind of powerful. So so once you're reactivated enough,
I had this thought that it's like I will now
will myself to stay alive, and that is that was
my immediate internal I did not share that with anyone. Yeah,
I actually I've never shared that on air. I've never
told me.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
That's the first time I've ever heard you say that.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, I don't share.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
So that will to survive that like you know when
people are near death and they have that fighting, you know,
will to survive. That's what you felt.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
It was an absolute knowing that I will not let
myself die again.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
And then there's another part of it.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well, I mean, you know, you do know that's inevitable, right, No,
You're gonna definitely die.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'm doing the Brian Johnson biohacking stuff my intention forever.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, we're going to talk a little bit about your
biohacking because I got into it about three months after
I had my heart attack, and I was like, huh,
I need I need to manipulate things a little better
because the allopathic point of view, they just don't get
subtle energy. They don't get the meridians that the Chinese
have understood for five thousand years was what they focus

(26:07):
and provide acupuncture for as well as herbs, and so
when you're looking at that aspect as a healing modality,
it doesn't work. They're only about death and in fact
they're great analysts. They'll tell you what's going on, but
after that it's up to you to figure out or
you do the drug routine. My father had a heart

(26:27):
attack right after he retired. He was on twenty different medications.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, they call it heart remodeling, and that's what they
did to me. They want to remodel your heart and
they want it to and Christy shared a visit with
as soon to be retiring, one of the main doctors
at HCMC, who said that we have a dilemma. We
ethically don't want to take people off of drugs that

(26:55):
we see do I'm there talking about wanting to get
off the meds.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh my god, here's the doctor next to you, guys
going I don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Row.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Absolutely, the look the look on his face was just
like yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
What exactly?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Actually, so why And it's not that they're not good people,
it's just the training. It's like they're not given anything
other than the drugs, medical radiation and surgery.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
It's like, yeah, it's here's the illness, here's the drug.
Here's the illness, here's the drug.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
There's no holistic, no holistic remedies at all.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
None. Well, and then there's you know, we have that
Ted talk by Anthony Holland, Professor Anthony Holland with the
whole frequency energy killing leukemia and mursa and all these things,
and there's the Ted talkts on YouTube. We can discuss it.
It's real, it's there. We've heard nothing out of his
experimental company. However, I have a friend this last week
that I was I visited with and she has a

(27:56):
friend who has stage three four leukemia. Yeah, and it's bad,
and she had not heard of the ultra high frequency
treatments which are standard in England, and she's like, what
are you talking about? And then I showed it the
Ted Talk quick she said send it to me. And
then her friend, who's really concerned, does not is a fighter,
doesn't want to die and and at the same time,

(28:17):
it's like you can just go standard to England and
at these massive, beautiful hospitals go get ultra high frequency
targeted cellular destruction of cancer and it's not even brought up.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
We're just ghost that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
And it's been around there for years. And so I said,
just google it, and she did, and she's like, oh
my gosh, this is the real thing, and I said
it is. But as as an American, we're not given
these as not only options, but how we grow our food,
what kind of mineralization, like what are we not just
what minerals are in the food, but these these field
and frequency sound systems and these the resonances, they're all real.

(28:57):
How we handle everything from our preventative care to our
actual care to fighting these things. It's not you have
to be your own advocate. I chose to get out
of bed. I chose to get up, I chose to move,
I chose to not just lay there. I knew that
I had to fight. And so when I had said
that thing to myself, and I guess, I guess I

(29:19):
didn't think about maybe that's probably significant that I said
that or thought that, But I knew that I wanted.
I knew what my life trajectory was. I know what
I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I know, I know. We look good and you sound good,
and I've obviously recovered, and you have a few meds
you got to take. I think we talked about that
offline a few days ago. I had to take a
few meds too, because you know what, it's their machinery
in my body. I'm part borg now with a stint,
and so I have to have the med I had
to take the meds. You know that they recommend that

(29:52):
are focused towards the stint, that protocol, but that's a
small part of the protocol, and I'm more into self awareness, uh, biohacking, vitamins, minerals,
and exercise. So I think that's big. Hey, let's jump
into this archaeological dig because this is an amazing discovery.

(30:14):
I really I am not that familiar with beliefs. But
how did this all come about? This discovery, this this
uh uh, this ruin and this connection and then going
down there? I guess that Christy comes in there somewhere too.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
She does, and a very very very much a full
crumb of all this. What's going to turn in on
our QX. You know, that's the thing, the evolution of
actually living and doing I knew a lot of people
were frustrated with me getting out of that, not going
back to the getting out of the hospital bed. But
it's like it's like there was frustration within weeks of
like how can you just get up and go? And

(30:50):
it's like, because I know what I'm doing, and there's
a there's a drive, and whether it was believes or not,
there you have the these Maine villagers you just got
Guatemala mine village is actually they're they're in Belize, which
was a British Commonwealth. English speaking is their primary language. Otherwise,
these minds are living on top of these ancient ruins
and we need to This is now going to be

(31:11):
the third expedition. But what we're going to do is
we're gonna light our scan them. And Tom Elmore, our
other partner, he had suggested we need an aerial light
our company and so getting quickly to Christy here it
was she was like, you should just scan four thousand
acres and like yeah, we should.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
So give us the inception of this whole concept of
I don't know where you you met Christy somehow and
then you guys decided to go down or is it
tom Elmore, I mean give us the uh, the beginnings. Yeah,
the timeline, so the shortest.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I had moved to Utah and met a man who
had a very colectic gentleman in almost in his nineties,
who had seven thousand acres so five by seven mile
plot of land. He said, I'm pretty sure I have
Mayan ruins. I had, I had met you, and I'd
written the book, and the plan was we are going
to be doing field work. I am going to continue.
I'd been to South Africa and Indian and many places

(32:09):
where I had been looking at work, but I knew
that I was going to do field work. And so
this was the first opportunity to first invite directly that
said we want you to come and locate mine ruins
on my property. And he's like, can you do it?
And Tom Elmore and I had met through Dennis Stone,
who owns the American Stone Edge. Dennis and I had
become friends. I'd already speaked at America, I had spoken
to American Stone Edge. And then what happened was is like, well,

(32:31):
let's put a group together and do this expedition and
ultimately we're going to we're going to conceive of our qux.
Eventually we're with the ideas we're going to go to
field work, and we've not done it before. So I
got a hold of ten people and we got a
hold of some satellite we you know, we got some
satellite work done, and we eventually found these targets and
that was like the beginnings, like we had all the

(32:52):
success with it. And then I immediately come back and
put the entire momentum on pause because I paused and
died and then it's like okay, reset and then they're like, well,
you can't fly yet. So I do their rehab and
I I and then within weeks, within within three months,
Tom Elmore and myself and another gentleman, we went back
to Belize, the same village because we know these village,

(33:15):
these ruins are at least two thousand years old. They're
the oldest ruins in Belize. So Belize, for everyone listening,
is between Guatemala, so we've got the Atlantic and the Pacific.
This is the part of the vast Mayan Empire, and
Belize is at the squeeze point of central pre Panama. Canal.
Belize is definitely a place where you would drop something
and you could definitely walk over to the Pacific or

(33:37):
travel upstream and get to the Pacific. This is a
this must have been a highly highly populated place. And
so here we are conceiving of Arcox and we're gonna
We've been talking to the Peruvians and we're talking about
doing some of the large magalithic ruins and doing work there.
And at the time, you like, we have to build
an actual team, like what is what is Archaox going

(33:59):
to be? At the time, we didn't have a name
for it. It was just we knew we were going
to do this. It's not aliens, and we're going to
do this.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll return shortly with
my guests today Jared Murphy and Christy Bass discussing their
new podcast, r ko x podcast, as well as their
research in the Belize Jungles. We'll be right back. My

(35:14):
guests today are Jared Murphy and Christy Bass. They have
recently launched a new podcast called r ko X and
it is all about biohacking, lifestyles, all kinds of fascinating topics,
and what we're also discussing is their research and beliefs
in the discovery of an unknown Mayan city. So there

(35:40):
is Tom Elmore part of.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
R KO.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, talking real quickly about his company, Geo nav.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, the G and L group. They do ground penetrating radar,
they do ground light arms, so they do above ground,
they do below ground, they do areal.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
He's got the million dollar light our equipment or does
he rent it out? And then he's got to check.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
He is the first person in North America to use
a very special kind of ground lighter that is handheld
and it's meant generally for architectural light aring, but it
does three hundred Okay, so Derme does seven hundred and
fifty points of data in a square meter. A square
meter of data that's a lot seven and fifty points.
But his does about three hundred fifty thousand points of

(36:21):
data per square meter, so you get high, high resolutions
of turning the trees on, turning the trees off. And
then he works with other people and they do a
lot on He was the head of the I Believe
in Massachusetts, not New Hampshire. It was and Tom can't
get mad at me later, but he was ahead of
one of the historical societies. So they were scanning battle sites,

(36:43):
and they were scanning cemeteries, and they were scanning the
Newport Tower and they were doing there's all these dolmens
and weird ruins on the East coast, so he was
doing a lot of work there. He had not been
in central of South America.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
But you mentioned the other day though, that he was
at the site the Americans Stone Hinge. Did he do
American Stone Hinge?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
He scanned the whole thing and that did.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, he's using the tripod system to do that. If
it's ground based lightar.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
No, you walk with it on a stick. It's really heavy.
It's like a drum and you carry it and you
walk lines and the data is collected and it's put
together within this incredible vast software. And he was the
first guy in North America to use that particular system
in this way at Archaelectric because it's so detailed, it's
so beyond a drone or a plane, but we need

(37:32):
to do a vast area. And he is pretty good
at the research and and I don't know how he
managed a miracle up this one. But Christy is entirely
his fine.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So so so Tom introduced you to Christy.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, and then we had some meetings, right, Yeah, and
then and we didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I want Christy to talk a little bit now, because uh,
obviously this is your introduction. Talk about your background. We've
already heard from our friend here on the basics, but
get into your interest on this whole phenomenon of archaeological ruins. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
So I was working for an aerial light our company
whenever I got the call from Tom. So I ran
sales and marketing for air data solutions, and we were
a global company, but primarily stationed in the United States,
so we had an office in or have that this
company is still you know. Obviously I left the company

(38:35):
to pursue this full time with this dude here. But
the owner of the company was really a dear friend
of mine, and in twenty fifteen, it's about twenty fifteen,
he called and said, I have a business idea.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
He was a cowboy at the time.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
He worked on a ranch and he was a cowboy
and so he was on horseback all day long and
he ended up he bought he got his pilot's license.
His dad was an aircraft mechanic, brilliant aircraft mechanic, and
also had his license, and so Down ends up following
in his footsteps, and in his twenties he gets his license,

(39:16):
and so he has his pilot's license, and he was
asked by a farmer to take some health images of
his property, and so he went up and so he
calls me and he says, I have this really, I
have this idea.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Tell me what you think.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
And he tells me, you know, I took these pictures
from the air and like, when I'm checking out this
crop pilth and I think this could be like a business,
and I'm like, for sure, let's do it, you know.
So he starts the business and I contract with him
kind of off and on over a decade or so,
and then he calls me several years ago and says,
you know, I can finally afford to hire you full

(39:52):
He says, you know you want to come work full time?
And my response was always you can't afford me. And
finally he says, you know what I can, and I
was like, awesome. So I accepted the position and dove
into the world of aerial light ar, which was amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
So when you say aerial lightar, I haven't been up
to date on the modifications that have gone on, but
years ago when it first came out, it was a
million dollars for the package. Yeah, wrap it to a helicopter.
They strap it to a plane. In the beginning it
was too heavy for a drone. But now they can
put it on a drone. And Jared's talking about handheld.

(40:34):
I was like kind of shocked at that because that
must be a huge modification. But real quickly for our listeners,
it's a scanning technology. What else is it other than
the ability to scan an area and through the manipulation
the technician needs to do this, it removes the foliage

(40:56):
the trees and it gives you just the raw ground
or structures of a ruin in the image. Talk a
bit about that.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah, So with aerial LDAR, whether it's from a draint,
a drone, or a plane or you know, a helicopter,
we basically with a with a helicopter or a plane.
Well a lot of times on on helicopters and planes,
they have units that can even strap to the side,
you know, of the wings of the planes. So what
with my company, In most companies, I believe, do this

(41:26):
because the units are so heavy, they cut holes in
the bottoms of the planes. So you've got these just
giant holes in the bottoms of the planes, and the
units bolt into the holes and sit on a bracket
in the plane. And and then you fly over your
target and from the sensor, it shoots lasers down at
the at the surface and then back up and it

(41:47):
measures the time that it takes to hit whatever the
target is, and then back up to the censor, right,
and it builds a topographical map of the planet so
or whatever your whatever your target is, so whether that's
you know, indoors or the landscape or whatever, and so
it builds a topographical map of whatever you whatever the

(42:08):
target is, right, and a three D visual image that
you can flip and rotate and amazing, it's really amazing.
It's incredible technology. And you can click a button in
these software programs and you can turn off the trees,
so you can fly over one time and you can
take all of this imagery of this of the whatever

(42:29):
the target is. And then you can click a button
in your software program and you can turn off all
of the trees and foliage and you can just see
the surface amazing.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
So it works good.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So I've and most of my listeners are familiar with
archaeological ruins, which is just beautiful. It's revolutionized archaeology. But
in your case, when you're talking about a residence, why
would you want it, Why would you need to have
lightar scans of a property, because that's what you're doing, right.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Yeah, So we did more commercial scans, So we worked
for a lot of government agencies, engineering firms. You do
scans of bridges for you know, bridge safety. We did
a lot of slope analysis, and then in Appalachia we
spent like six months of.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
The year slope meaning snow slopes or just for geological
and slides.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, in the mountains.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, they could do that with lightar.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yeah, you can do all kinds of crazy things with
light ar.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Hotelines.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Yeah, and so that's another thing that well really that's
for like a lot of right away and stuff. But
so in them in Appalachia, there are pipelines that run
through the mountains and so a lot of it's not
just for most of the lightar that we did in
the mountains was for oil and gas companies. To protect
their assets, to protect the pipe, the communities, and so

(43:55):
the government requires you fly every you know, once a
year twice the year, depending on on on what it
flows in your in your pipes, what material is flow
through your pipes.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
So you're regulated annually by annually.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Whatever to to fly these lines to to to protect
the environment around it, the communities below it. So slope analysis,
UH A lot of times light ours flown in uh
California for like fire response, so you know, for.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Emergency response agencies.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, so that.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Bridge you were talking about, can it tell weakness structural
impurities and things.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Like that or is it calling up And so when
we talk about we were talking about the ruins in
the jungle, and one of the things that I think
is important to note with light R is it doesn't
go through foliage. So the the significance of what Tom
is carrying in in the jungle and a lot of
these finds that we find when we're looking for ruins

(45:03):
in the jungle light ART. The laser doesn't go through foliage,
so it stops at whatever the surface is. It very
seldom won't penetrate, which is why under like under the surface,
light R is such a revolutionary technology because currently it's
really difficult to penetrate the surface with the current light

(45:24):
ar technology that we have. And so in the jungle,
the significance of what Tom carries is a handheld unit.
So we're actually under the canopy when we're walking in
the jungles, so we're picking up accurate scans of the
ruins around us. Whereas when you fly this over the air,
it's a little bit harder to see through the foliage
if it's really dense, right, So in jungle situations, it's

(45:46):
a little bit harder unless you kind of have a
focus area, which in believe we did have a focus area,
So there was about four hundred acres that we were
looking at scanning. But you know, findally it just makes
more sense if we're going to fly a plane that
far to just because once we're down there, the expense
is in the mobilization to get from point A to

(46:08):
point B. Once we're there, the cost to fly it
is relatively inexpensive.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So did you do one hundred percent or did Tom
do one hundred percent ground based light our scanning?

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Tom did, Yeah, it was flyovers at all, didn't fly
at all.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That's amazing and so so you and so Tom introduces
you to Jared. Jared goes, hey, let's go down to
Belize or.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
What we actually so here we are, this is gonna
be our third expedition. We had done a lot of planning,
a lot of stuff and I had it. I don't know,
just so we connected doing the light our thing and
you meet, you know, on cliff you meet a lot
of people who are interested in these subjects and it's like, okay,
you don't know where someone's at. And then Christiana decided
to connect on this and it turned out that no,
she had a really deep knowledge base and it was like, wow, okay,

(46:54):
this is not a basic conversation at all, and he
knows what she's talking about. And then it was just
a really it was really great and then we connect
on it, and then a few conversations with Tom and
I later I'm like, how do I break this to
Tom and say I think Christy should at least come.
And he literally called me within an hour of that

(47:14):
and said, you know, I have this idea, Chared, I
don't know just and this is Tom, you know, East Coast,
New Hampshire. He's like, okay, okay, I don't know if
we should do this, but I think we should invite
Christy and I was thinking, yes, oh you should.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
And you know what's so crazy is the whole set
that went the whole time I was working in aeriel Idor.
This is the call I was waiting for Cliff.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
This was the call, like, you're a residential girl, you
are a forest grew you, you were a Indiana Jane
kind of a girl.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Oh, she's totally Laura Croft. I mean totally Laura Craft.
I was an all Man's No, she's a badass. I
got pictures. I will send you the picture. I mean,
she's got aviator. No, she's an actual It's like I
don't know if she's going to a knife, a puma
or us.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, you know what. I want you to go over
real quickly. Jared, how you got you or Tom got
permission to first of all scan the area, because in
Mexico you can't do anything without permission, and you've gotta
deal with the archaeological community, and you got to pay fees.
It's just a nightmare. You can't well we know, I

(48:17):
don't know if you know it or not. You can't
fly drones in Mexico anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Okay, well, so let's just does.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
All of this sounds very familiar?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, so you know, yeah, so some of the benefits
of coming in on this late which is great, which is,
by the way, archaeocs does not exist without the woman
sitting next to me. It just doesn't. Yes, it would
not like it looks, not like it is not what
it is. It's like it became what it is out
of this expedition. It was evolving. But but but the

(48:46):
hours that I spent connecting between the local government, the
local village government, the local community councils, the local judges.
There's a whole process of the village itself being on board.
Then they have contacts within the which is the National
Institute of Culture and History, which manages all the ruins.
And then there's a droning Literally Ian Fisher and I,

(49:11):
he's our la cinematographer documentarian that came with and filmed.
He and I were literally on the phone the night
before the trip till like for me, it was two
in the morning, he was still we were still debating
on whether or not he was going to bring a
two thousand dollars drone because we may or may not
we're going to get permission, and we did not get

(49:34):
and the and we just ultimately decided like, what if
we don't get to get permission, so what should we do?
And he is ultimately like, let's just I don't know,
maybe we just shouldn't. And literally, like an hour or
two before the flight, he got a letter from from
Niche finally, after all the attempts of contact that said
you can't bring a drone.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
You know though, I mean luckily, because that would have
been a headache to bring to bring down to the beliefe.
Let me go back to the earlier present discussion. You
know the guy who owns the property that the ruins
are on.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
No, now there are two separate expeditions. The first expedition
involved seven thousand acres which had all sorts of mind
construction on it and ruined.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
But you know this is somebody that privately owns the property.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yes, yeah, yep, yep, and seven thousand acres.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And this is the American.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
This is an American. And what we are dealing with
is multiple satellite imaging. So this is beyond light our scanning.
These are satellite images using various methods for us to
locate what we suspect our ruin sites. We thought that
there were some pyramids on the property. It's next to
a National Park of Mayan Ruins where there we have

(50:48):
satellite imagining of those and that's like, that's a pyramid.
But these these acres had not been officially explored for
over one hundred years, and there was just a suspicion,
a suspicion. And what's amazing is that you know what
mitten mounds are, right, the Yeah, the shell So what
a lot of people don't understand is that there is

(51:08):
a significant amount and in order to make the white
plaster that were on pyramids, they would not only would
crush up, they would boil up these shell creatures, but
they would then crush up and they would make plaster.
And they had food. But there was so much mitten
in the seven Square there was an island of mitten.

(51:29):
There's so much mitten. It's tons and to billions, I
think tons.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
That the mind the shell fish.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, so they eventually, through mane history, I think, started
using some of the mitten. So they're processing the they're
called mitten mounds. But to process that much shell creature
and create what they were doing in the industry must
have been tens of thousands of human beings for the production,
and at some point in mind history they started bearing,

(52:00):
started burying people and artifacts. And so when we found
our had we picked twenty six target sites that could
have been a pyramid.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Could let me stop you real quick, Jared, So let's
bring up Angela. We got to talk about Angela. Oh boy,
Angela is an expert and we've had her on the
show before here on Earth Ancients, and she is a
satellite expert. You I can't I don't know if I
gave you her contact or you just found it from
to the but you reached out to her and she

(52:30):
You told her that the target area, which was believes
this area you're working on, and she did. She find
the the area is to do some basic excavation or
how So, at.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
The time I was learning, I was getting my own
crash course and learning how to locate and purchase satellite
imaging and everything about that. That was a learning curve.
So I had gotten some suggestions from her. Tom introduced us.
We talked about what we wanted to do, and she said, well,
I've found in ruins before, and I think I can
help you with this, and she said she had a

(53:03):
busy palette, a plate. She was pretty busy. But at
the same time it looked like maybe she could help.
And I found a lot of I found a lot
of resources, and we settled on a couple and I
we purchased data that is images of this exact area.
And there's the timing of what satellite, when did the

(53:25):
when were they taken, what time of the year. There's
so many different factors that end up creating. So then
she did help kind of get us started and then
and then ultimately the geoav group itself took it over
and we were able to you know, so we had
a little bit of a full crumb there with her help,
and then we ultimately came up with we could have

(53:47):
done more, but it's like what can we do with
ten people over two weeks? It's like how many sites
can we target? We're walking, We're just so you know,
we're not when people think of a hike, there's a
path or something I want to hike, they go on
a trail, Yeah, trail, a tough trail or like I
don't understand hikers. I mean, we climb because ropes, it's
not safe. We don't do safe things.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Oh, we love hiking. What do you mean you don't
understand hikers.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Well, I don't understand it is when they go it's
a double block, and I'm like, you're on a path
that's eight inches wives and your death.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Is well, I think what you're trying to say, Jared,
is what you're doing is you're cutting your own trail
in to find these ruins. Yeah, there's nothing, but it's
not like a beaten path, like, hey, we're gonna go
the Wama Wama trail today and look at the waterfall.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
No, you're cutting with machetes and you're getting in there.
I did that years and years ago. When I first
started going to to Yucatan. I'd get a Mayan elder
and one of my friends would go with me and
they spoke Maya. We cut the vines and I was
told not to step there because there was a snake
or something. So yeah, it's yeah, you're doing the raw,

(54:52):
you're the raw trail blazing.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah. So when I said five seven miles, four miles
into the jungle, there weren't trails. We made the tra
else And and ironically, with ten people, you think by
the sixth or seventh person, you wouldn't need to hack something.
Everybody had a machete and there was something to hack
for everyone, not because they wanted to. It was like,
why can't the first four people cut this enough? But now.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
We're supposed to not cut the whole vine day, You're
supposed to cut it off just to squeeze by. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Well, some people are different sizes and if you're a
little person, you don't have to cut for big people.
But I felt like we should have put the big
people in the front.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
But yeah, so it's like we hacked our way around
the jungle for.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
So tell how many targets you chose, what five or
six targets from the satellite imagery and these are what
you went after we.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Did and they were not and we tried to plan
them out in order. The topography, we try to understand,
the terrain, We try to understand, you know, because we
had to go for everyone listening. So we're in southern
Belize and in order to get to the property, we
had to take an hour and a half boat ride
in open waters on the ocean to just beach, not

(56:03):
land at a dock, just beat yourself, get out in
the water, reevaluate all your gear, get ready to hike,
and then start hacking your way to the targets using GPS.
And we then had a bushman with a rifle and
day one. Site one turned out to be a massive
archaeological Indian and Jones. They had cooking tents, they had

(56:26):
sleeping tents. They were working on about a half acre
quarter acre, and they had been working there for weeks
and by the end of the two week trip, the
first time they we had the owners of the land.
There's a lot of archaeological theft. The groups are known,
and they posed as buyers and they had shown up
and taken pictures of the artifacts, and the guestimates based

(56:48):
on what they were asking for was well, they were
asking based on the value of the objects found. And
they were beautiful, beautiful statuettes and things, and they were
just in the mitten, and the mitten, by the way,
not ten feet thick. We're talking like twenty thirty feet
thick at a minimum where they dug before they hit
the water level. And these were two and a half
to three million dollars in artifacts just in a quarter

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acre half acre site. Museum quality stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Really, when you say a quarter acre half acre site?
Are these dilapidated ruins? Are these are they digging under
the surface.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
On your midooms? Yeah, it's a throw What are.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
We looking for? What are we looking at to get there? On?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
It looks like you're it looks like the ground's white,
and then you know it's mitten. And the mitten isn't
a few square feet. The mitten is square miles and
the mitten can be There are mounds in Central and
South America that were the size of multiple football and
soccer fields. You're you're walking on the ground. Yeah, this
is not like, oh, there's some sand and dirt and
then there's some mitten. No, this is tons and tons

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and maybe billions of tons of mitten. And then they
buried things in it, and or maybe they threw away
a little statuette which is now worth four hundred thousand dollars,
but you have to find it. And so they were
working this area that was pure mitten. There was foliage
on it, but it was a throwaway pile for the minds,

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and these people identified it as a place where they
thought they would locate cool objects. Not whether they found
bodies or anything else, we don't know. Any of that.
But we come across the site and there was day
one Site one, target one and had they still been there,
I don't think our one bushman with a rifle and
all of us with machetes would have been good. It

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would have been a It could have been a lot
more dangerous.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So did you have any archaeologists along with you to
kind of identify the artifacts that you were discovering?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
They had already stolen the artifacts, and so the owners
are going to locate the people who had been working
the site within a couple of weeks, and so you know,
people were contact authorities were contacted. We were there, which
just left with the tools, the site, all the holes,
all the surgical precision and all the archaeological precision work

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that I'd been done to locate and steal the items.
We were just left with the site. They had skidaddled.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
So so they were there ahead of you and they
left their mess, and so did you just kind of
occupy where they had.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Had their site and justa we were there. We we
videoed it and photoed it.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
And so talk a little bit about the site, Jared,
is it uh? Because on the photographs that Christie sent
me there's some nice staircases with the interest of some
pyramidal structures. It looks like there's some really nice retaining
walls built up. I think when we first talked, you

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said it was fairly high up on some of the
some of the platforms like a platform or a base,
and then there's pyramids or something. Go ahead and tell
us about it.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
That's a different site, and that's where we worked. That's
where we cleared the pyramids. That was what all to do.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I only sent two I think only sent two photos
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I think maybe it was Jared.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Maybe it was Jared of the uh oh, but but
then he cliffs talking about the doorway, right, so he
must be talking about that, so like possibly the doorway.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Give us, give us a kind of timeline from the
first time you were there, what did you see, what
did you identify? And then the second time you came back.
I guess that's when you started seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
The first time was really really rough. It was hard.
I mean we were in the jungle hard every day.
I mean it was like you're hacking your way to
get and there was uh there was big cats, of course, jaguars.
There was one so big. I'm i mean for for
size comparison, I don't have the smallest tan, I don't
have the biggest, but the jaguar print was bigger than

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my hand. Yeah, And and you got the razor grass
and you got a lot of nasty giant spiders and things.
So that was rough. But at the second site where
we took the photos, that has paths, it's occupied more
by the it's traveled by the villagers because a farm
out there. A lot of the fertile land is on
the sides of the old pyramid. So we're on This
is a four hundred acre site, not a seven thousand

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acre site. But this is a site that is likely
the oldest ruins in Belize. It's almost not been excavated
in any way at all, and we were there to
work with those villagers to clear it. And that's where
lower Croft here traveled on with Tom Elmore and she

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gets the I don't know how Tom was going to
that light. Our system is not light. I don't know
how he was planning on doing that entirely alone, because
you got to walk in a straight line. So you're
up on a pyramid two hundred seventy feet by the way,
it's not a single pyramid. It's a platform with a
couple soccer fields and size, with multiple buildings on it.
It's just that if you're on the top of any
of those buildings on the outside, the outside goes down

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two hundred seventy feet, So you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Could take a walk. You could take a walk down
the side of a wall and drop one hundred feet
or more.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Fortunately, it was all so disheveled from trees and plants
and earthquakes. It's very rough going down. You could if
you don't even need to be goat, you can get dominant.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
We're gonna take a short commercial break and allow our
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(01:03:14):
I guess Today our podcast host Jared Murphy and his
partner Christie Bass, discussing their research in Belize and the
discovery of a Mayan city and their new podcast r
ko X. Yeah, Christy, what did you see the first

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time you were there? One of these target sites that
you were visiting.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Yeah, so when we first got there, there wasn't a
whole lot to see because it was covered. But after,
you know, even the first day, we could start seeing,
you know, we could see ruins under the foliage when
they started pulling off vines and trees and you know,
bushwhacking everything. And so eventually they uncovered what was what

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appeared to be a doorway. We couldn't figure out how
to get in it, but it was clearly some sort
of a doorway into what we think was a set
of ruins that runs down the side of this mountain.
And if you could see down below it, if we
could have cleared down below it, there might have been
something beneath that we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
We only had a set amount of time to get
it done.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
But you know, more than I think that, more than seeing.
So it's fascinating being in this world of you know,
ancient archaeology and all of these things. So where I
kind of come in archaeology is relatively new. My fascination
with it isn't because we dig up cool things in
the ground. It's the age of the things. It contradicts

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the historical narrative that we've been told.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Oh we'll talk about that. I did you have did
you guys do some carbon dating in there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Or no, we didn't, but that's obviously that's the goal. Ultimately,
that's what we want to do. So we've we've been
we were in continued talks and believe, but also in
Peru too, So there are some site that we've been
looking at digging out in Peru. Hopefully maybe one day
soon well well we'll be able to dig and really

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do some foundation work over there. But no, we didn't
get to dig. We just got to clear the surface
and see. But really that's kind of where my interest
comes in, is like more of the consciousness side of
things and so kind of you know, pre show, we
were talking a little bit about energy at these sites,
you know, and having access to them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Or not go did you feel something?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
So that's so that was my interest was really more
in like meditating, Like I just wanted to go every day.
As soon as we would get up there, I would
I would hang out for a little bit and then
I would just disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Where's Christy Or she's in the tent meditating?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Okay, I was you on the pyramid Meditane anywhere she
could find on the pyramid and she would just drop
and meditate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Well, I wanted because Jared the other day we were
talking about the pyramids. This is my huge problem when
I'm in Mexico. There are so many ruins that are
just partially excavated that maybe one or two percent, And
as you're walking down a trail or two, there's you know,
two hundred foot pyramids that are covered in vines and

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dirt and stuff like that. But you know they're there,
right and you want to get in with your shovel
and start doing something, but you can't because there's a
there's a process to doing it correctly so that you
have a map. But I'm really curious to hear what
you guys uncovered in this one site. I heard you
both say pyramids, but Christy, did you actually get a

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chance to see one up close?

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Yeah, we walked all over it, all over and climbed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Up it and multiple I mean yeah, So you have
the Pyramid Mount itself, which has done multiple structures that
are so I guess there's a giant pyramid structure, but
it has multiple peaks because it has multiple buildings.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
They call them complexes because there's multiple pyramids on it.
Right on a level.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, we were on multiple complexes, multiple there's sticks officially
at this site, but there's more in the distance in
every farmer that works there. You can look in the
distance for miles and it's like, well, we know that's
a pyramid, and that's a pyramid, that's pearmen. You can
just see these standalones.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Well, it's really fascinating is when we were at it
was either a it was either nimly punin or it
was loop in tune. But at one of the other
already established ruin sights that we were at, one of
the groundskeepers said that everywhere you look, he just pointed off,
you know, in the distancing. He said, everywhere you look
in the jungle, he said, every couple of miles there's

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a temple or a pyramid or and he said that
he had an uncle that would every year he would
do this two mile hike out to this temple and
he would spend a few days just with himself out
there in the temple, out in the jungle, you know,
and so some of it and so that's really interesting

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that to think that, you know, if you live there
and you're a village or a local in that area,
and you can have that experience, you know, like such
a sacred site that probably carries a ton of remnant energy,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Prices on on an energy field.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
One of the things I thought was kind of different
was that you got the help from local villagers to
clear these sites. What was the idea behind that, because
that usually not only is it expensive, but you know,
it's a kind of creative in a way. It's almost
like you guys are developing your own expedition, you know,

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and you're saying, Okay, this much money is going to
be used for the local villagers, and we got to
feed them and then they're going to do some work,
and our goal is this. But before we go there,
how did you get permission to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
You go to well, you befriend the mayor and the council,
and then you have meetings with them, multiple meetings before
we leave. Then you go back, you bring candy, and well,
then we and Tom and another friend of ours go
we he and all of us go back, have another
more meetings with the council and the mayor. Then we

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come back, and then someone brings candy for all the kids,
and then you have another community meeting and you really
make sure that this is gonna you know what everybody's
concerns because you have a UTO, you have a very
much a socialized society. That is, you have seven and
fifty villagers that are actually voting together. They are they
are communally agreeing to They're not just leaving into a

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council or the mayor. They are communally agreeing what is
going to happen with their community. They're they're actually doing it.
It's actually functional and it works, but it's a slow process.
And for us to get a letter, we all emily
before we went, yeah, we got approval from NICHE to
clear the ruins, to clean them well.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
And then it maybe explain what NICHE is, the National
Institut of Culture and History.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
This is purely a beliefe historical society of something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
This is nothing happens on any ruins in that country
without niche's approval and without their observation. So, whether you're
using their archaeologists or your own, no matter where you're
from in the world, you're not working in Belieze without
dealing with NICHE. Period. And so the mayans, the village
and and yeah, so they you have a lot of
communication that's happening. You have a lot of these are

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not maybe's. These are absolute no's and or yes or
maybe and they're every day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
So they allowed you to do that cleaning excavation, but
they said no to the to the drone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
They said, well the whole literally they banned drones and
all of Belize.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Oh I can see because they Well, right before we
were headed down for this last expedition, the cinematographer we
were bringing with us was.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Going to bring a drone, and right before we came down,
we were told that we could not bring the drone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
We're out in the middle of nowhere, but they still
have seen enough of them, probably by people that are
invading their land with these drones, that they're like, no,
absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Well and I think too, they're just really protective over there,
you know, their their heritage, their resources, you know, because
you get people that come in and take advantage, you know,
and a lot of times they don't have the resources
to fight that. So they're they're very protective over you know,
just as we would be. You know, if somebody were
coming into our backyard and you know, profiting off of

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our history and culture, I see, that would be Yeah,
that would be difficult to you know, like, who do
these people think they are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You know, Tom Elmore did get permission to have the
walk along light our equipment? I guess yeah, Oh well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
We we didn't have permission to fly, we had to walk.
Well let's just yeah, let's just leave it at that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
And then but at the same time, the approvals with
the rest of the government to just get to the
clearing part. There's a lot of well to add on
to Christie's point, one of the problems is that you
end up with a government allowing an archaeologist to come
from pick anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world,

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and they find something, and the village is like, well,
you're going to leave it with us, and sadly no,
either niche takes the item because they don't have anywhere
to secure it, or the archaeologists at themselves say we're
going to be researching this, and so the village loses
a valuable piece of its culture and history from their village,

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which would draw tourists and would draw people to them.
So frequently one of the reasons they don't want people
to work externally is because they take what they find
and they do it within the guise of yes, it's
a counting for it's uh, it's it's it's it's like, hey,
this is found here at the site. Niche has control
of it, but it doesn't stay there, so it doesn't

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help them when they're subsistence farmers.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Oh right, make a living bit bit to benefit. We
got to jump in here in a minute and talk
about r ko X in a second because that's the
result of all your your work and collaboration. But before
we go there, what is your thinking, uh, for the
future are you going to think of? Are you going

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to bring in a local university? Obviously you got to
have the archaeologist in there at some point and go, uh,
you got something here, this could be during this period. Oh,
here's the steely a standing stone. This is the king
who is here some interpretation. I guess this is what
I'm looking to think of. What what's your uh, what

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you're thinking in terms of future work.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Oh, there's a lot of layers to it. One is
I want to take one hundred years to uncover one
complex alone. The you know, if we say, you know
the constructions like the pyramid mounds, So there's eight eight
pyramids on this one mound. And then it's like, okay,
we got six mounds, and then okay, then we got
four acres and is it fourgn acres or four thousand?
So it's the botanical, the flora and fauna, the the

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layers that have built up, the composting that have built
up on the ruins. What eras are they from? So
that's contemporary. But then the abandonment would have taken a
long time for the for the for the layers to
build up. So then as we remove it, how do
we plug it and and grit it and account for that?
And then there's the obstacle, Well, half a dozen forms

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of carbon dating, a bunch of OSL dating, and then
there's okay, what about the blocks themselves? Can we just
not in the past? You know, you have an archaeological ruin,
and archaeologists are not engineers and they're not structural and
they're not they can look at something and go, well,
we think these this pile of blocks should just be
on this section of the building. But yeah, I'm a
little more ambitious in that I'm hoping that we can

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come up with some OSL dating and maybe through some
math and through looking at some of the failures of
the structure, we might actually be able to identify one
block out of a million, and through a massive pile
of puzzle, actually put all of Humpty Dumpty back where
it actually belongs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Like actually, well that's call Yeah, that's where you're doing
a consolidation. You consolidate a building with all the ruined
stones around it. And there's no blueprints for any of this.
I've seen some horrible reconstructions, but you do the best
you can.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
I want to eliminate some of that. I want to
refine the science and I'm talking about things that do
not exist I'm talking about I'm talking about using the
math behind the different dates of the different blocks, Like
one block may have fallen five hundred years ago, one
block may have fallen a thousand years ago, and somehow
they got twisted and turned and possible to actually not

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only put the building back together the way it could
have been, but are we seeing the structure from the interior.
Are There's a lot of cave systems, a lot of
chamber tombs we don't know, so we have to identify
we have. The GEONAP group is capable of using systems
that go to one hundred and forty two two hundred
feet below ground, and they could. They have systems that

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go four to sixteen feet sixteen to twenty four feet,
and these different ground penetrating radars could identify tombs and
things that we may we have to identify and work
with and what era are those in. So there's a
lot of layers as to what we do with the
composited ground that they're using for farming. We can't take
that away from them, So how do we sift through

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it but then put it somewhere that's on flat ground
so they can keep farming.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Yeah, Christy, You've made a really interesting statement a little
while ago. You're saying, I think this is a lot
older than they are documenting it or what we think
is the typical scenario for the Maya. What's that mean
to you? You are you saying that these are extremely old,
which is my belief. My belief is the builders of

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these great cities are much older than we give them for.
But what's your feeling?

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
Yeah, So Cliff, you asked, you know, kind of like,
what's the future of Archaeox look like? And that's sort
of the foundation of what we're what we're doing at
Archaeox is that we do we do see and understand
through you know, our own research, that maybe the historical
narrative that has has been presented is it's not it's

(01:17:33):
not necessarily been let's we we don't have to say
it's been intentionally misconstrued, but we can say that through time,
we've made numerous discoveries that contradict the history that we've
been taught. And but we're not updating our history, right,
We're not updating it and matching the discoveries that we're

(01:17:57):
pulling out of the earth. And so one of emissions
that we have is through a variety of different mediums,
the podcasts. We're working on a documentary, we're actually getting
ready to we're in production to start a new podcast
with with Michael Kremo. Actually Michael, Yes, So that one's

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gonna be really fine. It's called The Forbidden Archaeologist. It's
coming soon, so we're really excited about that. When but
really the goal of what we're doing is to is
to is to just expand awareness around you know, reality,
you know, and and what we currently believe to be
true by sharing these like these just discoveries and while

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we're doing it, while we're out in the field doing
the research, we're also plugging into the local communities. So
when we were in Belize, we we brought water filters,
We're looking at installing solar panels on the school there
so and bringing computers and so there's different ways that
we're plugging into the community that we're working in because

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we definitely want to leave it better than we found it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
And there's lots of ways to serve.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
And I think that's part of just being an aware,
conscious human being on the planet is serving that matters.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
People that you're encountering are living in substances subsistence level existence. Yes, absolutely,
really quickly, can you give us, yeah, an interpretation of
what you mean by you have discovered items, be it
artifacts or whatever that make you think these are a

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lot older.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
People yet, so a lot of a lot of the work,
a lot of the things that we talk about could
be summed up in Cremo's books. Forbidden Archaeology was was
I think his most famous and he in that book
he lists a ton of things that have been discovered
and in they're in order by date. One of the
artifacts dates back to two point eight billion years ago.

(01:19:59):
It's called a clerk store sphere, and you know, that's
a pretty significant discovery that we can't explain. But you know,
these spheres, they're carved, they look like their hand carved,
and they're dated to b. Two point eight billion years old,
So how do we explain that? And then in Dorchester
in what eighteen fifty two there was a stone blown

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apart and inside the stone was a vase of oz
inlaid with it had silver inlays on it, so that
looked human. That was dated six hundred million years ago.
We're discovering these things, but we're not updating any historical
records as far as human existence on the planet. But
we have artifacts that we're pulling out of the ground

(01:20:41):
that look like they've been manufactured by humans. And then
just recently Matt Bell shared his vase collection, his Venetian,
his Phoenician vase collection, where it's I mean, how you
if you have the inside of a ose that you
can't put a human finger to tip in, But it's
so precisely the carving on the inside, the what's the

(01:21:08):
word I'm looking for? The spin, Yes, the patterns on
the inside, it's so precise, it's clearly been lathed, right,
it's got to be lathed if you can't even put
a finger in there, how could a human carb it?
Which shows evidence of technology, eye technology, advanced technology in

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a time where it's believed there was no advanced technology.
So there are things in the record that don't match.
So part of what we're trying to do here is
make sense of that, share information, and then just be
in the field and make these discoveries and serve while
we're there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Fantastic. I love that. All right, tell us about RKOX podcast.
I understand you guys launched it in January of this year.
Give us a little background on what I mean. You're
telling us what your theme is. But how many programs
have you done? And is it how you said? Every Wednesday? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
Yeah, we are on episode I think twenty nine now
every Wednesday live at eight o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
We were both kind.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Of out of sorts this Wednesday, so we didn't miss
this Wednesday, but typically every Wednesday we're there at eight
o'clock live and we talk about all kinds of things.
We talk about consciousness, we talk about biohacking and longevity,
we talk about archaeology, UFOs and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Oh UFOs, you know, all kinds of things. Actually, they're
down in Belize, all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
I know, you know what. So I went to a
plant medicine retreat in Ecuador in twenty twenty three, and
they're over the sweat lodge. The shaman said that all
the time, and they looked at me like I was
crazy when I asked the question. You guys get visited
out here, you know, and they were looking at me like,
are you really asked that's the dumbest question. Of course

(01:23:01):
we get visited, you know. But they said that that
chips would would would would hover over the sweat lodge
at the retreat center. Yes, they would just come down
and hover. They would see it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
It would just just like a normal day, you know,
stopping at the red light.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, is this an ayahuasca retreat center or just uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
It was an ayahuasca center.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
That's another episode. We'll have to figure out what you're
up to do you guys, have you actually seen any
of the artifacts that have been dug out all the
loot so to speak, or has it just been uh
dialogue that we know that they have took it. They've
looted these places and taken artifacts that are expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
I've seen pictures of the actual artifacts. And then I've
seen actual artifacts. I've I've held them, actual artifacts. I've
seen pretty stunning.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Yeah, yeah, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Yeah, really done? Have you done any of that? Like
between Egypt and wherever you been?

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Have you years ago? Before you they would throw you
in jail. This is like thirty years ago in Mexico,
in the Yucatan. I was introduced to some antique dealers.
But what they were doing is because there's farmers in
that area too, the farmers would dig them up the

(01:24:24):
planet crop and so they bring him to this guy.
He would pay them and then he would sell it
on eBay and I I bought a couple of pieces,
you know, for fifty bucks each. But they're amazing, you know,
they're figurines. Now if they're if you're caught with him
in Mexico, that you're thrown in jail. Okay, yeah, So

(01:24:47):
and believes it's different because you don't have the same infrastructure.
Of course, you don't want to take stuff home. You
want to try to you know, if there's no museum
to turn it into, maybe somebody who's with the local
university or something. I don't know, you know, who knows
where you would what you would do. But I envy

(01:25:10):
you guys, because that's the unbeaten trail of archaeological digs.
You probably could, you know, find some major sarcophaicai of
a noted ruler and all of a sudden you have
another pacal mask that you found or something you know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Isn't that like every explorer's dream, right, like every researcher's.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Dream, Like I just want to find a corpse, you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Know that's in the great well. On that note, the
ruins that we're working on, it's very likely that we're
going to find a lot, Yeah, a lot of that. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
I'm looking forward to And there's a I wish it
was just as good as we could find it and
just do the work and document it. It's the bureaucracy
around it that I am not. I can't believe it.

(01:25:57):
I should just sit here and be excited because this
is all I've ever wanted to do, all of it,
and the extreme human antiquity of it, Like specifically in Belieze,
there's like stonework that doesn't add up to just Miyan.
There is energy fields Tom's lighter equipment with while she
was helping him one day failed would not work in
one of the pyramid areas. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
It was more than just one.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
It was not just the one that It wasn't just
the active site we were working on. It was also
at Lubintun. When we were at that site, his light,
our equipment would not kick on, it would not pick
up and begin sensing if we were within a certain
you know, amount of feet from the.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Wall of the roof from the stone.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Yeah, he would have to walk away, you know, twenty
or thirty feet, wait for the sensor to kick on
and pick up, and then he could make his way back.
But it would not the sensor would not turn on
if we were close to the ruins. He had to
get further away. So it was some sort of a
maybe magnetic or energetic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
They're called tulluric fields. They come up through the ground
and they build their pyramids on time top of them. Yeah,
and there's been a few people in the past that
have actually began measuring them. But the problem is that
archaeological community doesn't identify that or they don't care. They
don't there should be a science.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Behind that, an anomaly we need to know about.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Right, Well, why do they use them? What were the
purposes what is there? What is it something around this
pyramid that they were tracking. Was it a meditative center,
was it a driving some form of technology? We don't know.
I mean there's that's not a question that is asked
by the archaeological community. So it's up the guys like you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
To the to do list.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Well, there's people that might want to be involved with
urchao X and if you know them, well I'll have
to talk offline.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Yeah, No, we want people to check out your podcast
every Wednesday. Uh uh just what is it? Just r
k e o X and they can find it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Yeah, yeah, YouTube or on the We are having some
trouble with it in real time, but the episodes are
on r ko X r k e o x dot com.
You can go on the website watch the video. You
can go on YouTube at rkox, or you can go
on the podcast catchers on Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Yeah. Perfect. Before I let you go, what's the future hole?
You got another expedition lined up? Are you collecting go
fundme resources.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
Or we should be? We're not we should be though, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
So right now we're really focused on getting the TFA
podcast kicked off. That's that's our biggest next step. And
then we're working on a documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
So documentary on the Discovery or a documentary on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Extreme Human Antiquity and consciousness and consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Yeah, yeah, I just had Michael on the program that
his new book, Extremely Human Antiquity, is kind of an
off shoot of his first book for Being Archaeology.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
But it's right. Well, if we hosted Chris and I
hosted the webinar release for Michael with Michael, we hosted
the release of that book for Michael for Extreme Human Antiquity.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
So yeah, it's really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
That was fun. Yeah, it's on Extreme human Antiquity dot com.
You can go actually watch us host that with Michael.
But that was just a couple of months ago.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Yeah, it was really fun. He is a god, he's
a mind.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Yeah. Oh he's great to talk with.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Brilliant man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yes, Christy, Jared, great speaking with you. Congratulations on the
launch of your podcast. Much support for that, and let's
have you back again when you're got some new photos
and you're at the top of the two hundred and
fifty foot pyramid looking down into and you know, but
maybe by that time there'll be a name for it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
You know, well, we'll get the we'll get the go
fundme thing figured out too, and the other. Yeah, I've
got a few more things. We'll come out. We'll come
on sooner. Besides, you can do a whole thing with
iwas get with her that that that's a whole other.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
You know, I'm not there yet. I have a lot
of people on the podcast who speak on ayahuasca, and
people like Graham Hancock have done it like seventy times.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Yeah, I'm like, I could just just the idea of it,
you know, is something I need to consider, But I
don't know. I'm not there yet, so correctly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Well, Cliff, but you we have to have you on sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Anytime, anytime you want to talk. Happy, happy to speak
with you. So all right, hey, great, great connecting and
uh let's do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Sounds good. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
If you haven't figured it out by now, what we
have heard is completely unusual and really unheard of. When
there is an archaeological site that is found, usually archaeologists
get involved, local government is called in and there is
there are permits that are requisitioned. They begin researching and

(01:31:11):
pulling together teams. We don't know how large the site
is but there are wonderful images that I will post
on the Facebook page and trying to have them on
the YouTube channel as well. I've got them late. In fact,
excuse me, they won't be on the YouTube channel, it's
too late, but they will be on the Facebook page

(01:31:33):
under special edition the archives. So something to consider. I've
seen in Mexico. I have seen unexcavated pyramids that are
up to three hundred feet and Maya had no problem.
They were masterful engineers and able to build quite elegant,

(01:31:57):
impressive as well, pyramids of all shapes and sizes. And
by the way, we're going to be in Guatemala to
see the world's largest pyramids at Elmador. I don't know
if Richard Hanson is going to be there. I got
to send him an email. But we get a chance

(01:32:18):
to climb those as well. And if you've ever had
an inkling to climb a pyramid, it is the most
wonderful experience because many of them are still active, and
this is something that is rarely discussed. The Maya were
energy engineers. They understood gravitational to lurics, they understood magnetism,

(01:32:41):
and there's a connection between how these pyramids are laid
out and their connection to the cosmos. In many cases,
a lot of these cities were blueprints or maps to
various constellations, meaning that one pyramid lined up with a planet,
another planet, line of a pyramid lineup with a smaller planet,
and so forth and so on. There's something that's missing

(01:33:04):
in our understanding. They are very, very sophisticated energetic engineers,
and so there's something that we're missing when we look
at these civic areas and connect it to off earth constellations.
It's just too much to consider right now, but there
is something going on there. So thanks to both Jared

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