Special Edition: Lydia & Arturo de Leon, The Maya-Atlantis Connection

Embark on a Transformative Journey into the Heart of Ancient Mesoamerica

Join Earth Ancients’ host Cliff Dunning and Geophilia’s founders Dr. Lydia and Arturo de León for a once-in-a-lifetime 12-day adventure through Guatemala’s sacred landscapes, ancient cities, and living Maya traditions.

This exclusive retreat blends archaeological discovery with spiritual immersion, offering you a rare chance to experience the profound wisdom and mysteries of the Maya.
Why Guatemala?Guatemala is a cradle of ancient civilization and a haven for spiritual seekers. From the mirror-like waters of Lake Atitlán, ringed by volcanoes, to the jungle-clad temples of Tikal, this magical country offers an unparalleled opportunity to connect deeply with both Earth and Spirit. The legacy of the Mayans, with their cosmic wisdom and sacred rituals, continues to resonate in the land, providing a profound backdrop for transformation and renewal.

Guatemala + Atlantis
Guatemala holds a profound connection to the mystical legacy of Atlantis through the enduring wisdom of the ancient Mayans. Many believe that the Mayans inherited their advanced knowledge of astronomy, sacred geometry, and spiritual practices from Atlantean teachings passed down through the ages. Lake Atitlán, revered as the “Navel of the World,” is often seen as a spiritual portal linked to Atlantis, its volcanic waters echoing the energy of this lost civilization. As you journey through Guatemala’s sacred sites, you’ll feel the threads of this ancient lineage awakening within you, inviting a deeper connection to the cosmic mysteries that unite past, present, and future.

Dr. Lydia de Leon is a Greek born Holistic Architect, Coach and Temple expert, with a focus on the relation of buildings on health and well-being. She has been researching for 15 years the relation between ancient temples and their location, as well as decoding their true nature and function through a new lens blending scientific research and ancient wisdom. Her mission is to help people “Return to the Temple”. She is the cofounder of Geophilia.

Arturo Ponce de Leon is a Mexican Architect, Engineer, Psychologist and is a world leading expert in Sacred Geometry, which he has been teaching for 20 years and applying to architectural design in a broad spectrum of projects. He is the author of several books, an international speaker and an expert on decoding and applying Sacred Geometry. He is co-founder of Psychogeometry and Geophilia.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh, my God, this is a special edition of Earth Ancients.
We haven't had, My God, in many months, we haven't
had a special edition. We got to start pushing these
out a little more frequently. And the reason we have
special editions there aren't the typical interview topic for archaeological ruins,

(00:43):
lost of civilizations, everything that we typically cover on Earth Ancients.
The special editions coming from the archives. That's something else.
That's remembering people who have passed on capturing a specific
target topic and other past material. Today we are talking

(01:03):
about the Atlantis Maya connection as it pertains to Guatemala. Now,
I have been to Guatemala once when I was very
young in my twenties, and I kind of ran through
the place and I knew from the people that I
met there that it was very special and it had
a special feel to it. But of all the locations,

(01:26):
and I'm talking about all of Mexico, all of the Yucatan,
which is really kind of my forte in the Yucatan
Peninsula because I've been there so many times, I've also
met with and have been mentored by a number of elders.
Guatemala has a special energy and one of my friends

(01:48):
who has passed on. Who's an elder and a daykeeper?
Remember daykeepers are the calindrical specialists. These are mathematicians from
a sacred science, from a sacred mathematic mathematics from a cosmology.
We really don't understand. We don't understand most of the
information that we think we know about the Maya. They're

(02:12):
an ancient culture that developed their own science, their own math,
their own engineering, and we are arrogant to think that
we understand and know them. And it's a challenge for me.
I have a great respect for the archaeological community, but
they have to maintain a certain level of so called expertise.

(02:34):
And as our friend Ed Barnhardt likes to tell us,
we know about one percent. There's about thirty known archaeological parks,
which is another way of saying cities Maya cities that
we have uncovered, we've excavated, but in the last six

(02:55):
I should say seven to ten years, we have discovered
with light are there is a revolutionary product of scanning
jungle sites. There's literally tens of thousands and I'll see
that again, tens of thousands un known detected ruins, and

(03:19):
most of them uppere to be in Guatemala. Now, I mean,
like I said, I have been going to Yucatan for
many years, and there really isn't any good light our
scans of that area either. And I know for a
fact that there's probably another many, many, many many thousands
of undocumented ruins that the locals know about because they

(03:41):
still go there, they still worship at a lot of
these temples. And I mean, I could spend the whole
show talking about pyramids that I have found that are unexcavated, unexcavated.
I could get Ed Barnhardt on this program. We could
sit down together, go, hey, remember when we were at

(04:02):
Ushmol and there's about two or three huge pyramids and
I'm talking over two hundred feet high, two hundred feet tall,
and they're just sitting there. And it's not a you
can't blame the Mexican archaeological community, Ina, it's they're just
they don't have the bandwidth. And if they were in America,

(04:23):
it might be a little bit better. But it costs
a tremendous amount of money and man hours to carefully
excavate a pyramid, to carefully excavate what has now become
known as a civic area, civic area is typically a
main central pyramid surrounded by it. Could be a ball court,

(04:44):
could be smaller temples, could be smaller buildings, meeting areas,
which is what a civic area is. It takes a
lot of time and energy decades sometimes to excavate. So
but today's program is covering Guatemala, and primarily we are
going to speak with doctor Lydia de Leong and her

(05:05):
husband Arturo, who is a architect, but he's also studied
and is incorporating sacred geometry into his research, which is
a very critical study that we're just getting up to
speed on. And part of this program and why it's

(05:26):
a special edition, has to do with a tour that
they are promoting and leading and hosting with yours truly
December first to the twelfth. Now I have not done
a tour in Guatemala. Very very few people have, which
is really funny because this is where some of the

(05:46):
most gorgeous and spectacular pyramidal temples are and cities, and
the most well known and perhaps the one that leads
to think about ancient ancient Maya is in Tikal, northern Guatemala.

(06:06):
Now we're also going to be visiting Elmador And how
many times have we had Richard Hanson on the program
talking about Ilmiador and talking about the Lydonta pyramid complex
and also acknowledging that they're the largest standing pyramidal structures

(06:27):
in North America. Now, the other thing, and I've talked
about this before, and the reason why we're having Lydia
on the program, is these pyramids are active at a
certain period in Maya development. They started researching and understanding

(06:49):
to lurc or gravitational energy, earth bound energetics, and they
built their temples and their pyramids and their buildings on
tip of these things or close to lay lines, which
are like meridians. And remember we talked about the Chinese
acupunctural meridians that run through our body. The Earth has

(07:10):
meridians too that run energy, and that Maya spent perhaps hundreds,
if not thousands of years studying these meridians and placing
temples and pyramids and buildings on top of these meridians.
At Tikol, during this pyramid, during this tour, we will

(07:32):
climb and sit and commune with these machines, these machines,
these machines that were designed to affect biology, human physiology,
human awareness, human consciousness and its connection with higher realms,

(07:53):
the spiritual realm. And I'm so excited about this that
I'm presenting an entire program on the research that doctor
Leong has developed and the program the tour that we

(08:14):
will engage with December first to the twelfth. If you
want to see the entire itinerary for this program, go
to Earthancients dot com forward slash tours and you will
see it. You can see the itinerary. If you have
any questions, go to Earth Ancients the number four of
the litter of you at gmail dot com and I

(08:35):
promise to get right back to you on any questions
you have. Now, in twenty twenty, one of my mentors
and the Maya day keeper who lived in Guatemala, Carlos Bareros,
passed away from COVID, but I want to play a
short interview with him and you can hear discussing the

(09:01):
importance of the calendar system and how the Maya understood
the energy of the earth and how these buildings, these
pyramids actually worked in symphony with human physiology. That's how
quick listen. This is Carlos Burero's.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm Carbal Barrios. We are hearing what the malan so
America maya lan and we are leaving these interesting moments,
but we can't have the opportunity to develop our own
selves famous period of the end of the war. The

(09:43):
twenty first of December of twenty twelve. This is a change,
This is a big cycle for five thousand and two
founders will live for videos of five thousand years before.
But this moment is the moment of the knowledge of
the wisdom.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
And now it's beginning to be really configurated, because it's
not like you turn the light and okay, we are
right to twenty twelve and now it's the This is
the wisdom, is the is the knowledge the power of
the human being.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, this is it's okay. So the the energy of
this is a part of the of the net step
of the human being. And it's correlated with Mother Earth.
That's one thing that we don't we don't understand for

(10:43):
my own people. Mother Earth and human beings happened as
the same propose to grow to go to in an
evolutionary moment, and this is in moment it is very
important to concentrate and two are in peace and connect
with our inner power. We're in our mind to create reality.

(11:06):
And this is amazing because we can create everything that
we like. You know, our mind is better than the
most amazing compare that we never use because we don't
have any functions. So in this moment we can understand
that we have all these internal powers for my people.
We have more than five cents. We have our around

(11:29):
twenty cents. And one of these is impression or the tradition,
but is the capacity produced and material size? Everything like
the spirituality of these times have a world and this
world is action and we need to do action, to
do the action of our life, to don't lost this

(11:52):
gift of life. To go deeper in this power that
we have.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
This is very nice to create, to breed more our
spaces with our abilities. This body have all the power
to produce the most amazing thing. But we need to
do that. We need to sin, We need to beginning
to perceive. We need to be here.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now we are alone, we can see and meditate and
crazy order of his life. Are you happy with all this?
Do you think this is the life as you like,
this is the gift of life or this is just
a structure. But you can do the best for you.

(12:39):
This is the message. Be in peace, being harmony, be
with the knowledge to produce the pisp. Please remember when sin,
the most important scene in this life is your own self.
If you take responsibility and you create the development of

(13:02):
your own self, you're going to help not just skill,
You're going to help humanity because you are going to
find the peace, the law. You understand and you par
share and you can teach and you can't learn because
we don't know nothing. We need to be humbled and
perceive everything and grow, grow and be human things to

(13:27):
get beats.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Now, if I haven't mentioned it before, I will mention
it now you if you're interested in Mayan cosmological studies
calindrical studies, Carlos wrote a book called The Book of Destiny,
and you can get it. I think you still can
get it on an Amazon and it gives you a
sense of the way the Maya lived among the earth,

(13:57):
what they thought of the cosmos and the and the
most interesting thing I think is the likelihood of the
Maya being the descendants of Atlantinians are a very very
sophisticated mother culture. So to today's program is the Maya
ancient descendants of Atlantis with my guests doctor Lydia and

(14:23):
Arturo de Leon.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
M h h h.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm really excited this year. We're going to be in
Guatemala December first to the twelfth with Lydia and Arturo
di Diong. The tour is called it's in Guatemala. It's
called Temple Energy Activation. And I'm excited because I've really
never done anything like this. I've been touring for twenty
twenty five years, and I'm excited about this tour on

(15:23):
a lot of different levels. And I have Lydia and
Arturro with me. Now we're going to talk a little
bit about the details of this tour itself and really
give you an idea of what you can expect. So, hey,
Lydia and Arturro, Welcome to Earth Ancients.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Great to see you, Thanks Maaul, Great to see you again.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Great to see you Lea. Thanks so much. Lydia.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Would you say that the bulk of the tour is
based on the book The Power of Sacred Location or
is it a combination of you and Arturo's experience in Guatemala.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
It's all of that and more, Cliff, I'm so happy
you asked, so yes, First of all, we both have
a background of holistic architecture, and my main passion has
been decoding the ancient temple technology, how they were designed,
Why were they design like that, why they were using
specific proportions, why that location, all of these things, I

(16:25):
will tap into it in a moment. And so that
has been like really important, and that's how I went
into my PhD and then writing the Book of the
Power of Sacred Location. And Arturo also his passion is
on sacred geometry, which is like a very important pillar
of the ancient temple design. So to begin with, I'm

(16:47):
always had like this question of why did ancient people
like really invest heavily in creating temples, investment, in invest time,
energy resources, you know, all these things all around the world.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
And of course you.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Can say, and somebody can say, oh, it was for
religious purposes and worship. I get that, that's fine, But
I have to say, in the history of our humanity,
usually as humans we invest heavily on things that give
us something very valuable back. So I felt that there
is far more to what ancient temples were giving to

(17:26):
people than just the religious worship. And that's where I
started to dive into this rabbit hole. And then I
started like overlaying maps of ancient temples around the world.
And by ancient temples, I mean all kinds pyramids, stone circles, mounds,
ancient Greek temples too, pass anything you name it. And

(17:47):
I saw that it was like this extremely high correlation
with what we called your physical anomalies and simple works.
I know, these kind of anomalies are places where the
earth radiation has a big ship in its value, it
either increases or decreases by a big chunk, and so
these are happening places, Cliff. And the fact that all

(18:09):
these ancient temples were located in an anomaly like that,
whether that could be let's say underground water or underground
fault or another kind of a magnetic anomaly, means that
it was an inherent part of their design and it
was really important for their technology. So when I saw that,
I had two questions. First, how did they know how

(18:31):
to find these anomally places if they had no technology?
And second, if they knew this thing was there, if
there is underground water or a fault that statically would
make it building you know very we in its like underground,
why would they choose to place it there. And the
answer is that these places are have like a very

(18:53):
high charge of electromagnetic radiation from the earth, so they
were harvesting that and using it in the building for
various purposes, which is something that I decoded in all
this research trying to find what were the real functions
of ancient temples. Now, the second part of the building
design is all the body of the building. That's where

(19:15):
we have first of all the material properties. So there
are no random materials we know around the world. They brought,
you know, this unique stone from a quality I don't know,
four or five hundred miles away, and the reason for
that is they were looking for conductive material and so
that's like inherent. And then the other two things are

(19:38):
in this second part of the building body. They are
sacred geometry and sacred dimensions, which I think our tour
is very expert on that.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
So yeah, artural, yeah, talk about the obviously it's sacred geometry.
But as an architect, when you look at these pyramids
and these temples and say, like Guatemala, do you recognize
them as something completely different from your classical training or
is it like an ancient wisdom that we just are

(20:07):
beginning to understand and how they were built.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yes, it is really you know what it's taught in architecture,
you know in universities has nothing to do with the
technology and the way of designing of you know what
mala architecture ancient architecture, like the cat it's just a marble.
There is no way, and it's a pretty big you know.

(20:33):
It's sad actually because as architects in the university, they
will never teach you ever, how these pyramids were built,
what technology that we're using, like the deep esoteric understanding
of the layouts, you know, like the geometry were how
they were laid out, and also the arch astronomy. So

(20:56):
talking about sacred geometry in universities is actually they just
say a little bit about five ratio like the golden
mean the five racial one point six fourt eight. But
nothing else is this is something that has been kept
in secrecy somehow. Now, thanks God, with the Internet and

(21:17):
with all the information of the flow information, we have
access to a lot of things that in the past
we couldn't. But regarding cadregarding what the mala, the layout,
the basic layout, it's pretty complex, it's really complex. The
sacred geometry they were using, how they were aligning everything,

(21:38):
you know, are astronomically to specific events. It's not something random.
And also it's not random the proportions that we're using.
It's pretty remarkable that whoever built it, because we have
many stories about who build these pyramids, but let's assume

(22:01):
the mindless buildings they had inherit knowledge that there is
no way they could know by just observing nature. They
knew about very complex unified physics ideas, fact that now
we kind of understand them because you know, we have
a very advanced physics. But one thousand, two thousand years ago,

(22:26):
how could they even know about these ideas? How could
they even know that? They left many clues of specific
ratios em bettered in stone. It's like the mark that
will never change, and they put it in stone, saying
we know about the meter, we know about the food,
we know about the drying length, things that just very

(22:49):
recently in our history as humanity, we know about it. Yeah,
it's just marvelous.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Would you say that we have the dates wrong for say,
places like Tea and Copone and some of these Central
American Mayan cities.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Very good question, I could say that some of them.
The way I see it is that they're layers exactly.
So yes, we may be okay with the dates that
we have in some pyramids that were built at the
last stage, but we have layers of civilizations that start

(23:34):
building with other type of technology. And then let's say
like you find the house and then you remodel the house. Okay,
they're remodeling. Maybe it's accurate dated, but who built the
first house and why they choose that location at the
beginning exactly.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
So for example, there is the Lost War Pyramid, which
I know it's also your favorite and is also our favorite,
our favorite in Tica, right because there are other temples
that we'll be visiting in Guatemala. But for example, even
in conventional archaeology, the Lost World Pyramid has five stages
of construction on five different dates, and so who knows,

(24:12):
like in the beginning, there might be the original structure
that could be far older and thousands of thousands of
years ago, and then now we have access to the
external part, and then yes, when we date maybe some
mortars and things from there, maybe it's you know, from
the later air of the Mayans. So honestly speaking, it's
very difficult to date the actual structures. And the only

(24:37):
way to actually date, in which takes a very long
time and you need, you know, experts, is to go
into the archaeo astronomy, because that doesn't lie. You know,
when we have alignment of the pyramids in Giza or
in the pyramids in Telkiwa can with orion and that
happens only specific dates in the past, then you can be,
you know, very very clearly say that you know dating

(25:00):
we have is completely often the same is for other
temples all around the world. So and because we mentioned
that the Lost World Pyramid is absolutely stunning, it's like
a very special place. It's one fortunately it's one of
the places in Tika that gathers the least amount of
people and actually it's the most electro magnetically active. So

(25:25):
what we do is we have like we do a
special activation. We go on the top of the pyramid
and we do we take advantage of this energy and
this portal that is there in the top and we
can do also ceremonies and there's also an extra hour
that you can go and see the sunset from there,

(25:47):
and the sunset clip is another electromagnetic portal. I'm not
saying that just in terms of romanticism. All let's go
on to the sunset. But sunrise, I mean, it's amazing
and I'm also a very romantic person, but I love
also the other part, which is sunrise on sunset is
equivalent to the equinopsis and it's also an electromagnetic portal.

(26:09):
So throughout the day, these two times are the ones
are the most powerful to visit temples. And guess what,
We're gonna be doing that with a special entrance and
we'll be there in the Lost World Pyramid doing our
meditation on sunset, so that will be an epic experience.
I mean, we've done it before and it's really powerful.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Tell us and I'm really looking forward to seeing the
Last World Pyramid. We get the climate, we get to
interact with it, which is really a highlight to this tour.
But tell us what your feeling is in terms of
how this stone structure activates and works with physiology, because

(26:52):
I'm always curious to know is it change, is it morphine?
Is it modifying us or is it enhancing us in
some way?

Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, So I was mentioning before, like the three main
parameters of ancient temple design. So we have the location,
we have the building body which in there we have
sacred geometry, we have materials, and we have the sacred dimensions.
And then the third aspect is the astronomical.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
So all these.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
Make like an ancient temple like a powerhouse. It's like
a really powerful device seriesly, and so one of the
four functions that I decoded with scientific backup, because there
are other functions that I don't have scientific backup until now,
but that doesn't mean they're not true. But for the four,
the one that I would love to start based on

(27:41):
your question is there are two main things. One is
ancient temples are meant to create and support alter states
of consciousness for us. And the way that happens is
that these geomagnetic anomaly that is just channel through the
building and then amplified through sacred geometry and all that

(28:02):
basically creates micro seizures in the temporal lobes right of
the brain. And they're called temporal the temples because they
link with temples. That's how I see it. I mean,
this is not a random naming in my opinion. And
guess what happens, Cliff. At that time the brain itself
starts producing and releasing in the body a molecule called

(28:24):
piney line, and that's the equivalent of what you would
get with the actual yahuasca ceremony.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
So I mean, is there a penil glen release? Can
you say.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Pinoline?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
Pinal Line is the molecule that is actually chemically similar
to DMT. So it's the body endogenous psychedelics that is
triggered by the environment of a nacient temple. So when
we visit temples, it's our opportunity to literally have an
outer state experience. We can connect to these higher states,

(29:01):
we can have literally received guidance from our higher self
or see clearly things in our lives. Or what I
can say is that when you do that in portals
like the sunrise or sunset with the right people, with
the right environment, also in a group setting, it can
be like a shifting of reality and a development that

(29:24):
otherwise could take people, you know, maybe sometimes years, and
you do that in a few days. When you're doing
temple pilgrimages. It's the same as you do special ceremonies
or you do a special initiation. So that's a very
powerful experience.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
It sounds like this subtle changes are being made. Is
that what you're suggesting.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
One part of that and the other part is ancient
temples were also used for healing because what the temple
technology is creating is like a modern bioresonance device, so
it has all these special frequencies, and that's why people
went to temples in the past to get healing. And
that's why you have even in ancient Greece, tons and

(30:05):
tons of like tablets saying, you know, blind people came
and then they slept one night in the temple and
then the next day they could see. And there are
thousands of them. And you know, you can you can
make a fairy tale of one or two, but when
you have thousands around the world, it means like this
was an actual science of the time.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guests today, doctor Lydia and Arturle de Leon
discussing an upcoming Guatemal tour December first through the twelve.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Follow through.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Say your time, move black Quarter and say like wine
your holier the Maya.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
My guests today are Lydia and Arturo di Leong, and
we are discussing an upcoming Guatemala tour where we get
to experience not only the pyramids and the other buildings,
but sacred shamanistic energy as well as exploration of ancient
Maya sites. For more information, go to Earth Ancients dot com,

(31:44):
forward slash tours our Turo talk a little bit about
ourchaeo astronomy because it's my understanding that the Maya really
understood cosmology, the energetics of the planets, and they align
their cities to correspond to other constellations. What do we

(32:06):
know about the places we're going to go to, like specifically,
like t call.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Yeah, they the Marlins were aligning, of course, like all
the ancient civilizations were aligning temples to the sun rise
or the sunset of specific powerful days. What they was
saying with the equinox and the solstices, with the we
have to understand the cosmology, like what is the numbers

(32:35):
and what is the cosmology that the Minules were using.
And what we can understand from there is that they
were using five Phi one point six one eight to determine,
for example, the height and the wed of different structures.
And when you do that, you're taking literally the electromagnetic
field of the Earth and you're amplifying it. It's like

(32:59):
it's like ann tenda. Technically speaking, it's called a diode,
the iop e like an led that emits light. You
have something similar. So when you have this the electromagnetic
energy of the Earth going through this diode, like literally
imagine is pyramids. We have to understand pyramids, like if

(33:21):
it's a bell, so when it's hit by an electromagnetic
event like for example, a sun rise for a song
said it's an electromagnetic event, it kind of makes it
like a resonance chamber, like a bell ringing. So you
have that, and that's why it's important the chostronomy, because

(33:41):
you're aligning it to different constellations. In the case of
the Madias, it's it's very common. We can see Orion.
We can see like Orion is like very present, Venus
is very present. And imagine that they are kind of
doing with you align them. It's like you're making the

(34:06):
best geometric arrangement for them to resonant, to make a
resonant frequency even bigger or higher. Literally it's like a bell.
It's like that. It's like you're ringing a bell and
this bell will keep resonating for some time. And what
VideA was explaining before that it can alter the way
you perceive reality is because our DNA, and that's you know,

(34:30):
like proven since many many many years. Our DNA is
a fractal antenna. It's like an antenna that emits and
receives information. So this idea that we have, you know
from biology sometimes that our DNA is kind of a
code that never changes and it's just coding or you know,

(34:50):
like transforming any information to create proteins, et cetera. It's
actually it's not like that. It's our DNA. It's it's
an antenna. So we depending where we are, we will
receive electromagnetic information and then we will emit it. So
when we're in temples where with you know, people that

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have this intention, where we're with a coherent group, when
we have you know, an open heart, open mind to
access place like these, which is you know, sacred temples,
we have the fortune that in all the places that
will be we actually can bind you know, in the
top of the mountains and in some in the top

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of the temple because in some places around the world
most places around the world, even in Mexico is no longer.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Mexico used to be most of them open. We used
to go in retreats, and now for the last few years,
almost all of them are closed. You cannot go.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Well, that's why I'm so excited about Guatemala is that
it looks like almost every pyramid is accessible, except for
some of the really tall ones because it's too dangerous.
But I think that's it's.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Successful, and that's just amazing. Like you be there in
the top of the pyramids doing mostly you know, like
good intention and good heart offerings and prayers, and that
benefits all of us but also benefits you know, us
as a group and the planet itself. And this is
not just some crazy ideas. It has been you know,

(36:21):
measured over and over and over. You can measure it
super simple with just by your feedback device. You go,
you check the coherence of your heart and your brain.
You go on the top of the pyramid, and you
check again the coherence of your heart and brain and
it immediately it gets there.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, exactly. And I also want to add that you
know these trips exactly what our touro said is, you know,
you benefit yourself. By going there, you get access to
how states you get in a field that you know,
healing can occur if you're ready and you allow it.
But as well as we are reactivating the ancient temple grid,
so we're giving back that to the planet. There used

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to be this you know, activated temple grid that was
used to keep the planets frequency in a far higher
place than we are today. So reactivating that is like
a gift we can give to the planet, to humanity,
which eventually also comes back to us. So it's a
two way you know exchange. We receive the blessings from

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the temple for ourselves, we offer back the activation.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I love that. Now we're gonna have a chance
to work with some local Mayan elders in ceremony. What
do they tell you about the originating people? And are
there originating people? Were they Maya or were they at
Lentinians or were they just some advanced culture that place
these cities where they are.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Yeah, So we will have the chance to work with
a really special Mayan elder that we have worked for
and she does like this fire ceremony that she has
received from her father who was also shaman. And it
has been many generations in the family. They know very
deeply the Mayan cosmology and they are really dedicated to

(38:08):
this work. And honestly, you know, both me and Arturo,
we we have had different experiences, spiritual experiences, meditation experiences,
and I have to say this fire ceremony from this
particular Mayan elder is one of the most powerful things
we've done. Like it's so deep, so transformative, beautiful, very

(38:29):
coherent field and the way they work with the fire
and the transformative energy is like a purification ceremony. I
have never experienced anything like that. And the beauty in
Whatatemala is that these traditions Cliff are still very alive
in Mexico. There are also, but honestly, in Mexico it

(38:50):
has become very commercial in many places, and so it's becoming,
i think, more and more difficult to find the authentic
people that do that, whereas in what Themala because it's
still not commercial. And I'm very happy actually about it
because we get to do these trips and we have
the access, We have these amazing opportunity to work with real,

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authentic people that really put their heart and soul when
they do these ceremonies that actually last a couple of hours.
So we create an altar altogether as a group with
the guidance of the elder, and then there is a
whole process that I will not reveal more. I hope
you join us and you get your experience by yourself,
but I can guarantee you it's nothing like ever you

(39:36):
have experienced before. It's really magical.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I love that explanation. Do they say that the Maya
are descendants of another race? Do they give us any
sense of the engineering prowess? Because these pyramids are unique
in their composition. It's not easy to put together a
stone pyramid, you know, one hundred feet in the air.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yeah. Well, what we have talked to them, like, for example,
this elder that she's really wise on all her faund
she's indigenous Malia and all her family has been you know,
like dedicated to that, and she she's allowed to do
ceremonies inside pyramids, you know, like the in the complex,
And we have asked her that, like where do you

(40:24):
come from? And she says, well, actually, we're the keepers
of the times, That's what she says. We're the keepers
of the time. And then they have of course the
Mayan calendar, and they have their own bar which is
that one and has nothing to do with the Gregorian calendar. Yeah,
and they are ruled by that Mayan calendar, which has

(40:44):
to do with the twenty thirteen, with this type of
counting time, which is very particular, it's very it's really amazing.
Would actually I will give a presentation about that, like
I understand the twenty thirteen and how it's related to
on the cosmology of the alliance. And she doesn't say
specifically we come, let's say, from other types of civilizations.

(41:09):
She doesn't say we come from Attlantic or something. But
from our own research, it's actually very connected. Yeah, there
is no way they can just one day wake up
and say I got it. The perfect alignment is like this.
You need thousands of years of observation. Do these archaeo

(41:32):
astronomical alignments. It's not that you know, you know the
planets and the constellation they move in. It's very, very,
very slow. So it's not that one day you will
align it exactly to where you want with you know,
some sticks and a rope doesn't work like that.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
So I want to actually add that in this strip,
we're going to have like a very kind of unique
blend of things. So both me and Artur will be
giving several presentations throughout the retreat, which will be you know,
on the signs of ancient temples, then decoding every temple
that we will visit. We will go deep in that.
Arturo will also give a lot on the Mayan calendar

(42:13):
and how it links with unified physics. And also I
will be giving a lot of all the evidence of
how the Mayan civilization came out of Atlantis, and so
there is a lot of even you know, kind of
pictograms and engravings that I will be showing that they
are very obvious legends and writings that prove that. And

(42:36):
there is a place we will be visiting in at
it Plant that has exactly that even more because even
its name, you know, at Itchlan comes from the same route.
So we will be exploring the myth, the science, and
then leaving the spiritual experience on the temple itself. So
we'll have this unique blend, and of course will have

(42:58):
you Cliff to add. You know, your amazing insights and
all your life you're so dedicated on the Mayans, and
I know you have your deepest connection there, so we'll
have some amazing things there.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I want to talk about Lake at it Land in
the second, but we have one or two archaeologists that
will kind of give us the standard archaeological preview. We
want to mention that as well, because you know, you know,
we're at an educational level right now, which falls into
the academic side. We got to have the academic foundation,

(43:31):
which a lot of us are like, wow, I don't
want to deal with that, but it's important to have
that because they're the ones that they're being allowed to
dig and to excavate and to show us what's going on.
So we should mention that we will have a couple
of traditional archaeologists available to give us a talk once
or twice. Talk about the day that we take a

(43:54):
boat to Lake at it Land. And you mentioned that
there's a sunken temple there, Yeah, talk about that, because
when you say that, I'm like really yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
So, as with everything else, Cliff, that was another myth
until a few years ago, people thought like Troy was
a myth, and you know, the sunken temple of Atland
was at myath like other And there will be a
time very soon and I can guarantee that that we
will find more and more evidence about all the myths
around the world, one way or another. So a few

(44:29):
years ago there was a diver Roberto in Lake cat Itlan.
He was diving, he's a scuba diver, and he actually
found the temple itself. So something that was considered a myth,
you know, became a true reality. And so this temple
is very very old, and actually it was destroyed. Guess

(44:50):
how the volcano erupted and the temple was flooded. It's
another Atlantist and the place itself was called in the
past Utatland because the people of Atlantis went there and
made their own colony. So it's a very powerful place
and that's why up to today you can see a
huge surge of like spiritual community in at itlant Or

(45:13):
with all kinds of events, with all kinds of ceremonies,
and the energy of the lake is amazing. So what
we do is that we will take a boat with
all of you guys and we will do a special
meditation and we will leave offering and we will connect.
I have the exact coordinates of where the temple is
because of this connection, and we will go exactly over

(45:34):
and we will do a huge activation there. Very powerful
people have been you know, brought to tears, have like
complete goose bumps, and every time also we do it,
it's so powerful for us. And honestly, Cliff, if you
go there, even the view to be in the lake
and to just see around, you know, the volcano is Inacxio,
three volcanoes the mountain or it's just the beauty of

(45:58):
it is just you know, in we're very touching.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guest today, doctor Lydia and Arturo di Leon.
We'll rejoin you shortly. If you're interested in experiencing an

(47:00):
Earth Ancients tour, go to Earth Ancients dot com Forward
sized Tours. We have a listing and the full itinerary
of each of the tours that we host each year.
Have you seen photographs taken of this underwater.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Temple, Yes, there is, and we will be showing some.
We will do as we said, we will have a
presentation of every single temple that we visit and we
will show you all the decoding of its location, of
its sacred geometry of its astronomical alignment. So we will
have all that including for this temple.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
All right, tell us what an activation means, what happens
and how does it sync up with temple energy?

Speaker 5 (47:46):
I mean activation? What we have. Of course, we have
our physical body, you know, like the one we can't touch,
but we have more other subtle bodies. We have the
electromagnetic body that has been measured since many decades. You
can measure it, it can actually take pictures of it.
And then we have a more subtle body, which is
the gravitation body. It has a shape like a torus,

(48:07):
like a Donald shape. And so what we do with
the activations is that with our electromagnetic body and with
our gravitation body is more subtle bodies, we align them
and you can align them and you can create like
what I was describing before, you have a temple which

(48:28):
is like a resonance cavity, which is like a bell
that will ring. So with our intention, you if you
put your intention there, you you do your you create
like a fractal resonance, a resonant frequency of your electromagnetic
body with the electromagnetic body of the temple.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
And also I want to add that the main part
of the activation, yes, is what our touro shared, but
it's reactivating the temple the way it used to be
in the past, which is something that I have been
you know, I have received some time now for a
couple of years, and so there is a way to
reactivate it with its forces of earth and sky purified,

(49:12):
so return it to its original frequency. And then the
other part of it is reinserting it in the ancient
temple grid. So that's a true temple activation where we
activate our inner temple and we get to activate the
actual temple the way it used to be. So it's
both parts.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
So I mean real quickly, the Last World Pyramid is
one that I know is actually working. It's still active
on the Tulleric fields. Are there temples that will go
to or pyramids that will go to that have the
same active active energy flowing th Yeah, yeah really.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Of course we have some other amazing temples in the trip,
and I do want to share that. Actually one of
our favorites is El Mirador. We have that as an
add on, so I hope, like most of people that
usually come to a trip, they come to that because
it's a very unique experience. And the reason for that
is this is actually the biggest pyramid we have in

(50:09):
the world right now. Like it's not what people think
that it's Egypt or it's not even in Puebla, but
it's even bigger. It's massive because there is a whole plateau,
so the whole height and the whole volume is just immense.
So that's in the middle of nowhere, in the jungle,
in an amazing pristine environment. And we get to go

(50:29):
with a thirty minute ride on a private helicopter and
of course we'll have with us one of the experts
that is part of the restoration, and we can get
access to some restricted areas, you know, to see what
that they not only to we will get to the
top of the pyramid, and of course we do an
activation there which is like Mike.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Wait wait wait wait wait. So we're going to be
going to Elmidor and then we go to the Ldonta
complex where the best and do we get to find
those pyramids?

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Yes, oh my godta And we do a very special
activation there and honestly, guys, not only for the energy
there and the power, but the view I'll just say,
the human experience of the view of the jungle three
sixty degrees right is just incredible. So this place is

(51:19):
unique and it's pristine, and it's still not commercial, so
you know, there's very few people and working with the temple,
you know that has is less visited with just random tourists.
You're not doing their thing. It's just precious. It's one
of the few places in the world that we can
have that experience.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Cliff and you were just there so you can speak
directly to it. So how was it was? It pretty
spectactive spectacle.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
The whole experience is just one, you know, like it's
just amazing because you go in the helicopter thirty minutes right,
and you're twenty minutes over jungle. There there's nothing but jungle.
You arrive there and then you have to walk. It's
like a one hour, fifty minutes walk. We visit some

(52:07):
other places, very interesting places, and then you walk over
Lavanta and it's massive like it has. Of course, it's
not like the Pyramid of Giza that it's one whole structure.
These three structures that you plans like three plateaus. So overall,

(52:29):
if you take it from the let's say from the
very Mottom. It's the highest pyramid in the world, but
you cannot observe it because also it's full of trees,
it's you're in the middle of the jungle. And also
it's so powerful, you know, like the monkeys are you know,
like you can feel.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
The energy jungle plus the energy of the pyramids is
just wow. Like we had very trade in March, and
so we recently had that experience again. And it's just
like every time you visit and you have this film
much is another like timeline experience on other vortex, right.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Yeah, and they have they have been the gold and
they have been discovering many paints, really new structures. There
are some places that when they archaeologist the colony, they
don't have explanation is like you know, floating guys in
like kind of answer.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
There is like a relief that we'll be able to
see that has this special access I said I mentioned
before that shows like two floating it's supposed to be
two twins or hero twins exactly, and you see them
either floating on space or I don't know, they're swimming
under like you cannot explain what you see. So it's

(53:44):
very unique and beautiful this as sculpted relief. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, I'm really glad we get to see that. I've
had doctor Richard Hanson on the show many many times,
and he's always been very proud about that. The hero Twins,
he calls. But I don't think it's a hero was
I think it's something else. I think it's I think
it's the fact that they were probably in space, traveling
in space my foot.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
I would agree.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So this is a wonderful tour. It's a Guatemala's Sacred
Pyramid Tour December first to the twelfth. If you are interested,
it's filling up fast. Go to Earth Ancients dot Com
forward slash Tours look for the Guatemala banner and you'll
see the full itinerary. You need to get going pretty

(54:32):
quickly because we're filling up. Like I said, and this
is really the first time we've done this tour, and
I'm really excited. I want to do it. Hopefully you
can do it every year or maybe every other year,
but it is going to be fantastic. As we close
Lydia and Arturo, what would you say is unique for
you about this tour because you guys do a lot

(54:54):
of tours, But what would you say makes this Guatemala
tour special?

Speaker 6 (55:00):
So for me, I love the fact that we can
go on top of pyramids and do sacred work for ourselves,
for the planet, for the temples themselves. Get that experience,
that's the real experience. We know from all the work
I've done and other people before me, that pyramids concentrate
their energy at the top, So to get to be there,
it's a very special experience that not in many places

(55:24):
in the world we can do anymore. Plus, we can
actually do meditations and ceremonies, which in most temples again
around the world, even in Mexico, you know, you do
a circle or you do a meditation, even silently, and
they kick you out unfortunately. So that for me is
very unique. And then the aspect of being able to
be like directly in contact with authentic Mayan ceremony and

(55:51):
you know, this really experience because these all come from Atlanta,
so we are going to have direct connection with that
people even speak their unique original language, which I absolutely love.
These are really special temples also that the Mayans left
for us, and I feel they have encoded a lot

(56:13):
of wisdom that you really unlocked when you're there, so
of course the mirror door for me is also very
unique and there are not many places like that untouched
by so many tourists that we get to work there.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Yeah, what about you? For me, what I really love
about this tour is the authenticity like it really has
because it's so unique and what the Mala is not
like Peru or you know, Egypt until now, so hopefully

(56:48):
it will remain in all more years like that, So
it's really authentic. You can you can go to lake
at Ittlanta, all these places that will bus it. You
can feel that the energy is pretty untouched, is not. No,
it hasn't become so crazy touristic and commercials, so you
still feel the authenticity of people. There is a lot

(57:08):
of indigenous energy, so they keep these records, they keep
this energy alive. And what I really like is that
they're so proud of their culture. They're so proud of
their pyramids, and they don't see it as ruins. You know,
you go to Greece and the government say this is

(57:30):
these are ruins. No, No, they actually say these are temples.
They go like their you know, like their indigenous priests
or priestesses, and they got every week or every other day.
To activate it, they put fire, they put certain moneys.
So you feel that like maybe a thousand years ago

(57:51):
that they were doing that and that's nowhere else like,
but Lidia was saying that not even in Mexico, that
it used to be very open and very but there
they have a law that it happened after you know,
some not so happy times. They were fighting a lot,
but at the end they managed to say by law,

(58:14):
indigenous people they keep their culture and they can actually
use it as as temples. And they're very respectful, they're
super flendy. They're actually one of the nicest, yes most like,
they proved very hard in terms of hospitality and tourism

(58:35):
and they're so so beautiful.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
What the Mala people is one of the nicest we
ever have come in contact within all our travels. Both
anaturally we both agreed in that, you.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Know, one of the things that you brought both of
you brought it up is the fact that in Mexico,
not only can you not do ceremony and in archaeological
parts you can't do prayers, you can't do meditations without
getting it. And the biggest problem is you cannot climb
anything anymore unless you're out in some remote area, which

(59:08):
is necessarily a good place to do to go, but
it's just terrible. So this is what makes this tour
exciting because we get to climb I would say almost
most pyramids, right.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Well, yeah, they almost all of them have access. They
are just some that it's not that it's not allowed
because they don't want it's because like some of the steps,
you know, they are not good anymore, so it's sleeppery
or whatever. But they have given access to an external staircase,
which is like you know, wooden with steel usually, and.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
We can go.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
We will have that experience in most of the places,
and we will have the real activation and the real
connection with the temple the way it's meant to be.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
And some of these staircases are monstrosities, right that they
go way way up to the very top of the pyramids.
So yeah, we'll have to make sure everyone's in good shape. Finally, uh, Altro,
We've you've gone out of your way to make sure
the hotels are good, the food, The food is good,
and the accommodations are good, aren't aren't they They're like

(01:00:11):
pretty much four or five star.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Yeah, yeah, we will be staying in very amazing hotels.
The one in what Temla city where we will arrive,
it's five star hotel. It's just beautiful. And they will
be in lake at Ittlanta. Will also be in a
very good hotel actually in front of the lake like
lake view, yeah, lake view. And then we will go

(01:00:35):
in the Kali area, will be in a hotel that
it's it's it's amazing. You have lake view. You still
listen to the jungle and we can actually swim in
the lake like yeah every day. We can go in
the morning or at night, in the afternoon, whatever, and
we can just swim in the lake.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
The temperature of the water is like really store nice,
it's like pretty warm actually.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
And food amazing food international traditional food, right, yes, yes,
margin international quisine, so you have all the options of
you know, like international food. Boats. We also have Magion.
We see that it's delicious, you know, like they have
very very goodiful of authentic, full.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Excellent, excellent. Sacred Pyramid Tour December first of the twelfth,
Go to earthacients dot com, Forward slash Tours, Lydia Arturo.
I'm excited about this tour. I can't wait to get started.
Thank you both for joining me and I'm looking forward

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to an amazing tour so.

Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
Much clif we're so looking forward and have to see
you guys in December.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
This tour in Guatemologecember first of the twelfth is without
a doubt, the most unique that we will undertake, simply
because we are working directly with shaman. We haven't had
a chance in a few years since we were in
Mexico to work with shaman, to have the energy lifted,

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to be blessed, and to be able to connect with
these machines, these temples, these pyramids in Guatemala. So if
you're interested, come out and join us. The full itineraries
at Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours were have full.
We're only going to take twenty maybe twenty five people
at the very very most, because we want to get

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one bus, we want to travel, we want to have
everybody integrate. And the itinerary features not only specific pyramid climbs,
it also features a lot of integration, which we haven't
really done enough of and this is Lydia's specialty. Your

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eyes are closed shortly before you enter a site. You
you know have an intention and then you connect, You
connect with the abildings, and that's how they were meant
to work with. You can touch the pyramids, you can
touch the temples. When we're in Mexico, you can't touch anything.
You can't touch anything in Chia, and really it's unfortunate

(01:03:21):
that when you're at Ushmol, which is one of the
most gorgeous Mayan cities in Yucatan, you can't climb anything.
You it's literally off limits. So it's really really becoming
a problem for me, and this is why I'm very,
very excited about Guatemalo. So again, the full itinerary is
at earth Ancients dot com, forward Slash Tours, and you

(01:03:44):
can also email me. Go to go to your email,
go to earth Ancients the number four of the letter
you at Gmail and go hey Cliff, I don't get it,
or I get it, but I have a question. Let
me know what's on your mind. Come on join us.
I want to thank Lydia and Arturo for joining me

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and giving us some heads up on this tour. As
always a team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and Faia
in Pakistan. Thank you, thank you, thank you for all
your help. Take care of you well and We will
talk to you next time.