Trevor Grassi: The Labyrinth of Hawara

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hey, how you doing. Come on in and have a
seat and welcome to Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning.
We got one that's off the press. We have been
talking about the Hawara Labyrinth for months, and I've been
posting a photo after photo from Trevor Grassi and others

(00:39):
on this new reveal. These unusual scans, satellite scans, not sorrow,
not synthetic aperture radar scans, but a different kind of
scans that comes from the military. And these are so
revealing that people like are be of it. Zahi Hawas

(01:02):
is perking up and saying, well, there's no place like Hawara.
There's no labyrinth, and there is no need for digging
and for excavation and for fixing, because it's part of
an area of Egypt that has a canal water canal

(01:22):
that is dumping water into this ruin and damaging it.
And they're showing it that it is damaging it. What
this program is all about today is the great possibility
that there's a huge cover up, not necessarily one that
is orchestrated with great detail. The cover up relies on

(01:44):
an academic a orthodoxy who is unwilling to consider new data.
Who's unwilling to go beyond a certain time period, Who's
unwilling to look at the evidence through the latest technology
of satellite scans and see that there is something there.

(02:07):
There is something within the pyramids, there's something underneath the
Giza plateau, and here at Hawara, the pyramid Atara and
the labyrinth, very well known and documented by Herodotus, the
famous Greek historian over two thousand years ago, that there
is a massive underground system of buildings, walkways, canals and

(02:34):
other phenomenon that is which is shown to exist and
to be plain sight and very available for excavation. Now
we get into huge problems and questions when we talk
about Egypt. Now, I love Egypt. I go there every year.

(02:56):
I have a lot of friends there. But and I
say this every time might talk about Egypt's revealing and issues.
Egypt is a developing country, and that's a nice way
of saying there are behind the times and they're still
coming up to speed. And I speak to archaeologists every
year I go, I'm introduced to new people who are

(03:20):
in and work with the antiquities department, and there is serious,
serious problems when it comes to new discoveries and outsiders
other countries, other scientists coming into Egypt and getting access
to some of these places that we bring to you

(03:40):
each week on Earth Ancient. So what we have today
is a whole new body of science, a whole new
body of experts, research investigators, presented through Trevor GRASSEI, my guests,
and a series of scans that I've been posting on
Facebook that are very very pronounced, very revealing, and something

(04:07):
that needs to be looked at with a little more enthusiasm.
And I don't want to be a fear manger, but
you know, if we're gonna spend some money, if it's
a he's gonna jump on National Geographic and show us
some wood coffins that he found in Sakara, that's one

(04:27):
level of reveal, but it's an old, dry and boring reveal.
Why not spend some money and get a team together,
ask for American support in dollars and start working on
some of these profoundly interesting and potential revealing sites like

(04:50):
Hawara and really show us what's there, Really show us
what's there. I have a feeling because remember Zahi Owas
was educating in the United States, so he's a he
is probably at the mercy of people like Mark Lerner,
the American egyptologist, But I don't have any faith really

(05:13):
in these guys, and I think that there's a higher
power that's kind of controlling the narrative the ability to
release this kind of data, because and we'll hear about
this today. When you look closely at this labyrinth, it
appears to be significantly older than most of the ruins

(05:36):
that we're familiar with, including the Pyramids. And it's been said,
and I think we've talked a little bit about it here.
It's a plus to scene Ice Age culture that built it.
Remember the plus to seeing the Ice Age started around
two point six million years ago and it ended around

(05:58):
eleven five hundred and seven hundred years ago, so two
point six million. And I'm not saying Atlantis was that old,
but if you use the alternative focus alternative data, like
Edgar Casey, there were three phases of Atlantis, and their
earliest may has been as old as five hundred BC,

(06:20):
or perhaps even older one hundred thousand BC. So you know,
we're talking early late plesticine period, So that's very old.
That's a very very old culture. So if they're in
this dig and they find relics, they find statues of

(06:42):
lost kings. Remember, the kings list of Egypt goes way
back thousands and thousands of years, and because we are scientists,
cannot stretch beyond four thousand, five thousand years ago. When
they look at a kings list that goes back one
hundred thousand years, they think anything after a known pharaoh

(07:02):
or king is a myth. It's so ass backwards, it's
so ass backwards, and it drives me nuts. So today's
program is a good one because we're going to hear
about some new data. And I want to mention to
you that although this will be available on YouTube and
all its glory and all its graphics and photos, we'll

(07:25):
also have galleries on our Facebook page. So if you
get a little irritated because Trevor is going look at
this check this out, you can see it firsthand on
the Facebook page, or go to YouTube. Our YouTube channel
is up and has been up, and you can find
it there probably within the next couple of days. One

(07:47):
thing I want to mention is that doctor Carmen Bolter
is mentioned in today's interview, and we had Carmen on
a number of times she recently passed away. She was
the producer, writer and leave editor of The Pyramid Code,
that series that was on TV, and it was excellent.
If you have not seen The Pyramid Code, I believe

(08:09):
you can go to YouTube and check it out. And
I'm suggesting it because there's a part portion of that
towards the end where she shows some of the scans,
early scans that are underneath the pyramids in the Giza Plateau.
And she's known about them since twenty ten and she

(08:31):
and Klaus Donna, who is an expert on out of
place artifacts, did some work with another team and found
in a similar kind of technology that scans and penetrates
rock and stone. And remember, for those of you who
don't understand how that works, there are geological satellites designed

(08:56):
to pierce stone and they do that so they can
tell if volcanos about to burst, or there's a other
issues regarding the environment or geology in different parts of
the world. And this has been up for a long time.
One thing to be aware of in today's interview is
that the satellite system and the application on stone pyramids

(09:20):
and through the ground to the labyrinth is highly classified
military software. And when you see these photographs, they'll be
they're pretty mind blowing because the satellite's piercing thirty forty
up to one hundred feet underground and you've got to wonder,

(09:40):
how are they doing that. The technology's top secret. It's
top secret. And what makes today's interview fascinating is the
fact that this Hawara labyrinth was scanned now over ten
years ago and the data that they got back and
the images that you you can see look almost identical

(10:02):
to the stars as synthetic aperture radar scans. So this
is all pretty amazing and it really goes to show you.
And by the way, the company is called Geo Scan,
the ones that Merlin Burrows is the company in England,
that is the one who's producing the slides. We'll bring

(10:23):
it up today in the interview. But when you see
this information, it's black and white. It's right in your face.
It's colored actually. But the imagery, the rooms, the voids,
the you can even see evidence of columns thirty forty
fifty feet under the ground is obvious. Why should the

(10:45):
Antiquities Department keep us away from excavating? Why don't they
pick up the banter, pick up the torch, pick up
the shovel actually and start digging there. You know. So
there's a lot of questions, there's a lot of disappointments,
but this is what everthingsens is all about, is revealing

(11:05):
new information about our ancient past. So today's program is
the Labyrinth of Hawara and my guest is research investigator
Trevor Grassi. Hey, I do tours every year, and I
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(13:26):
It's been a while since we've talked about the Hawara Labyrinth,
and today we are welcoming back Trevor Grassy to discuss
kind of the latest what's been going on, planning at
some point of having a more in depth look with
some other people. But I think Trevor's got his hand
on the pulse of the of the labyrinth. This is

(13:49):
a fascinating topic simply because we're talking about an Ice
Age relic, perhaps related to a civilization around twelve thousand
plus a year ago, that has been cut kept in
in raps, simply because of its potential for opening the

(14:11):
door to a whole new history of the ancient past,
and we're gonna talk with Trevor to get an update
not only on what he's been doing some of the
other people he's been working with, but also to kind
of revisit the whole idea of the ancient Egyptian Labyrinth

(14:32):
and some of the fascinating scans that we've been seeing.
And luckily Trevor has been able to send us a
few to me to post on the Facebook page. So Trevor,
welcome back to Earth Agents Man. Great to see you.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm glad this came up a little last minute here,
but I worked out perfect because I know we've been
trying to talk with you about this and had to
postpone a couple of times. So I'm really excited that
this new news from Howara is mind blowing stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
So it's very exciting.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You know. It's funny because the I mean, Carmen Bolter,
Klaus Donna, they were talking to me way back in
almost the infancy of Earth Ancients, I think back in
twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen about these scans that had been taken,
but they couldn't produce anything either that because Clew had

(15:27):
a non disclosure agreement signed or the powers would be
and we'll talk about them in a minute, were such
that there was a fear of releasing this information back then.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, they they had done some scans with a company
that was called GF Scan, and Lewis kind of recently
cleared up some of the details about how that related,
but it was kind of just this company can scan
down to six kilometers deep, they say in their own presentations,
but it wasn't quite as as detailed as the scans

(16:05):
we've just got recently. The basics of what happened was
they got this one more rudimentary scan, which they did
release and I can share a picture of that in
a minute, But that was in twenty fourteen, and at
the same time they wanted to do something much deeper
and more detailed, and so they ended up getting this
other scan done. But the other scan it was they

(16:27):
decided whoever ultimately decided that it should be withheld for
ten years, so they all signed NDA's and that's that's
the scan that only just came out like a month
or two ago. Lewis finally released it, so now we
can finally talk about that. But their original one with
GEO Scan, it was really it was more rudimentary because

(16:48):
it was really just based on these like contours drawn
onto a two D map, and then they were given
the depths for them, so they extracted them out into
chamber sized in our shapes and three dimensions, but it
was much more. It was rough, you know. So they
actually did this second scan with film makers, and that's

(17:09):
the really exciting stuff we can get into today.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Let's let's kind of go back and give our listeners
kind of an idea of what we're talking about. Herodotus,
the Greek historian, claimed that this building is one of
the one of the great mysteries, even greater than the
the ancient pyramids on the Giza plateau, and he noted

(17:35):
them and apparently was walked through them. He says that
they surpassed this is a quote from him, surpassed the pyramids,
meaning that they were exquisite. And then after that there
were other There was a Strato or Strabo, who was
a Greek geographer, also had a chance to get in there.

(17:57):
And and so for the other Greek noted individual was
some Romans wrote about them. And then we get to
Flinders Petrie, the father of Egyptology, and I don't know
what you know about his visible referencing of the labyrinth,
but he must have seen something, right, He must have

(18:19):
seen He didn't get into a passage, but he must
have seen a part of the floor or something.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
He actually got into the pyramid and not into the
labyrinth itself, But he was actually the only person we
ever know of from all of history to get inside
the pyramid itself and actually map out all the chambers
in the pyramid, which was really important because we believe,
you know, everyone basically believes that's how you access the
labyrinth itself is through the tunnels in the pyramid, and

(18:49):
he kind of burrowed in from from the north end
and connected into some of the central chambers and then
ended up finding the real entrance and digging out to there.
And but now that's all flooded. Everything inside the pyramids flooded.
So Petre's map of the inner chambers of really the
only thing we have to go on to understand how
those chambers are laid out. Right, We've been talking about

(19:13):
trying to get a submersible drone in there inside the
water with a bright light that could go in and
see and confirm all the chambers he said too, But
a team actually tried that at one point, and Lewis
told me at least that they came to you know,
right as soon as they got into the water, it
was all just blocked up with stones, which might have
been intentional or maybe just people kept throwing you know,

(19:36):
stones in there to show that it's water and make
a splash or something, but basically, right as soon as
the water starts, it's also blocked up with stones, so
you can't even get a drone in there, unfortunately. But
also one other thing with him, just quick is that
he was basically the one who did all this work,
which basically ended up leaving everyone believing that the labyrinth

(19:58):
was gone. And so that was what I know. Explorations
happened for a really long time, basically until Lewis and
Bill Brown, they both led these expeditions there two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eighty nine. But up until
that point everyone kind of thought the whole thing had
been removed, that all the stones had been taken and

(20:18):
there was nothing left of it. So it's only you know,
two thousand and eight or so that we finally realized, no,
it's all still there. We were looking at the top
of it. So didn't Bill Brown.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Didn't Bill Brown do some work where he came up
with a kind of a rough idea about how big
the labyrinth was.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, well, I can show you a few slides from
his expedition quick if you want, Yeah, just take a look.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
For those of you listening, I will also be publishing
these on the Facebook page so that you can go
through them and take a look. Otherwise, you can check
it out on our YouTube channel. We're just going to
show a few photos here because we're kind of updating
the latest discoveries of the latest research.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, okay, can you see the yeah pagram?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Okay, So well, this was the famous image from Athanasius Kircher,
who was working with these historic records from Herauditus and
some of these other people. But this is kind of
one of the classic images of his conception of it.
And yeah, Herodius had said that it had three thousand chambers,
fifteen hundred above and fifteen hundred below, and so this

(21:37):
was his kind of and he also said it was
laid out in these twelve galleries, which might represent the
different zodiac signs or he was also set in history
that it was actually built by twelve different kings who
are all buried inside of it. But so well, I
just had a couple illustrations to set the stage here.

(21:57):
This was another one someone put together of how it
was fitting inside below the pyramid. This isn't really what
the pyramid looks like so much. But yeah, and actually
labyrinth is much bigger in comparison to the pyramid.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
No, you know, it's funny. If you go to Wikipedia,
they actually define it as being built by known pharaohs,
early pharaohs in the in the I think it was
the Middle Kingdom, but that's I mean, that's just a
way to make it legitimate, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, they say at least the pyramid was built by
eminem Had the third, which was he was in the
twelfth dynasty, right, so I think it's similar to you know,
the fourth dynasty at Giza. They were probably more restorers
of it, or maybe you've worked on the pyramid. Maybe
he actually got down inside and did some restoration on

(22:50):
the labyrinth itself. But we don't really have any absolute
proof of who built the pyramid or the labyrinth, and
most of the clues are leading me to say, as
you said, this could be going way back to the
very early time, way pre dynastic way.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Pre dynastic. Yeah, so again, what are some rough dimensions
at t fevor.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I this I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Maybe, well, the part that's above ground is smaller than
what the actual pyramid is, and that's part of what
Bill discovered. So it's actually bigger than what we see.
It goes under ground quite a ways, and I'm not
sure if i'd say this is roughly the you know,
the equivalent of like the Dashoor pyramids or Scara pyramids.

(23:38):
Not quite the scale of Giza, but all that's left
of the today. Actually, i'll show a picture in a second.
Here you can see what the pyramid looks like. It's
just a mud and brick mountain. And we know that
the pyramid was not actually mud brick. It was made
of stone because Herodius said there were all these carvings
on it, which you don't carve into mud brick. So

(24:02):
some people have thought maybe this was actually the core,
like they made a mud brick core with a stone
outer casing, which really make too much sense to me.
I think it makes more sense to say that this
mud brick is all a protective casing for on top
of the stone pyramid, like this is protecting it, which
is actually doctor Robert Schock and Catherine Ulyssy. That's their

(24:27):
hypothesis about a lot of the mud brick in Egypt
entirely that it's similar to what happened to go Beckley
Tepe where it was intentionally buried to protect the stone monuments.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, but that's.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Kind of This is another image of it where it's
basically all you see and then all the rest is
just sand all around, and it's kind of got this
up and down like almost like egg carton shapes that's
been described as pits and just mounds where everyone's been
digging for century trying to find the labyrinth. But these

(25:03):
are some of the establishing shots just to start off,
which are from Bill's report with the group he worked with.
I'll show in a second, but this is where Giza
is right here, and this is about ninety kilometers south
in Fayoum Fayoum Oasis, so that the Niles often said
it's like a lily, like a lotus in the water,

(25:24):
and Fayoum is its little leaf here. Yeah, so that's
the proximate, and then that's what the pyramid actually looks
like with this canal coming through it, which is a
big part of the problem. The canal is constantly flooding it.
So that's a little bit close throughout. But basically this

(25:44):
was the report that Bill Bill's team submitted, but this
was from the University of Wroclaw and the University of
Cairo with Adam Sinkovitz was leading some of these GPR
scans and mostly this project was a geophysical survey of

(26:05):
the site to determine how this water was damaging everything underground.
And that was the primary reason for it, was to
try and fix this water damage.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Right, we talked about that before.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, that was kind of the main purpose. So
he was doing stuff like all these survey points. He
was digging these boreholes to test where the water levels
were at all around it, and he discovered a lot
with that, all these like core samples, he discovered the
water levels in different parts.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
And yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Did end up determining that this canal was really the
main reason why when they tried draining parts of it,
it would just fill in instantly. And this isn't from
that report. So Bill was actually doing these well, he
was doing GPR scans at the site in two thousand

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and seven and eight, which were really some of the
very first ones Lewis and his team. The Mataja expedition
came basically at the same time in two thousand and eight,
they were also doing GPR, but Bill was actually doing
them around the pyramid, whereas Lewis was doing them to
the south right on the labyrinth itself. So this image

(27:22):
is really important from the Rokulau University report, where you're
seeing all these lines. These are where they did the scans,
and they were actually scanning on top of the pyramid.
So this red line is actually the real size of
the pyramid. The black line is showing what we can
see of it above ground. So they didn't realize he

(27:45):
was actually GPR scanning inside the pyramid itself. He realized
the pyramid was coming down further and was much bigger,
And this was one of the one of the things
that ended up losing in the project was when they
dug these a couple pits and ended up discovering the
actual bottom foundation level of the stone pyramid itself. So

(28:07):
he wasn't supposed to know about that.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
So I remember Bill talking about the potential original pyramid
being stone block and then later years later the mud
brick as perhaps a protective cover. Perhaps another pharaoh felt

(28:32):
that he wanted to present his modifications, which is what
happens a lot of times when there's new generations of pharaohs.
It sure looks ugly, though, I'll tell you when when
we look at that pyramid as it stands now, it's
pretty pretty bad. It doesn't look bad. It doesn't look
good at all. Before we continued, do you believe that

(28:54):
the original labyrinth was above ground like the Sphinx, and
then through years the sand blew in and filled the
various levels?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Or what?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
How do we how did Yeah, well that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Actually Herauditus told us straight up that the upper level
was actually above ground, the lower level was underground. But now,
of course it's all undersand but if you consider that,
you know, account from him what he said, then you
have to assume that this goes much deeper underground, because
if you've got i don't know, ten twenty meters of

(29:33):
sand before you even get to bedrock, then of course
this pyramid must be half buried and sand. You know,
logically you'd have to conclude that's the case, and it is,
you know, the entrance to it. They had to dig
out down to the entrance. I think I got a
picture of it later, but yeah, absolutely, the whole upper
gallery was above ground originally, so that's that's just understand

(29:58):
and then everything below which strangely it sounds like what's
lower is not flooded, whereas what's higher up is flooded.
So it's very clearly sealed off from what's above it.
But yeah, it is all definitely much further under.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah. The other thing I wanted to mention is that
Klaus Donna's scan back in the early two thousands, he
reveals a gigantic stone slabus three hundred and four by
two hundred and forty four meters, and that's just a
huge that's a huge piece of rock. I was reading this,

(30:39):
I was reading this in Lewis's analysis when he was
going back us in his notes.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Wow. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Well I can show you quickly just some of the
some of the scans from Bill if you want to see.
These were the ones he was doing on the pyramid itself.
Just to quickly give an example of some of these,
I've got a bunch, but you can very really see
all these structures that he was finding, and again this
is inside the pyramid itself, it's not even the labyrinth

(31:12):
to the south. And this one in particular, we believe
this is really the entrance from the pyramid into the labyrinth,
and so this is the spot. Bill keeps telling them,
you know, have you dug here yet? Have you dug
here yet? And they keep saying no, and we think
they have. But I think, you know, basically you can
see in these images at least that Bill was certainly

(31:34):
onto something. And these were some of the very first
scans that actually showed us the entrance into it from
the pyramid. So this is another kind of one of
the one of the images they gave us from that report.
And he was telling us in the latest interview that
that's basically right over here there is a chef connecting
down and that can be connected in from the chambers

(31:57):
in the pyramid. He's just a few more to show
all at once, but so that was that was him.
This was another image from their report. This was where
they actually dug down and found some of the different
ages of deposits and where they were actually ended up

(32:19):
finding the corner of the pyramid. Wow, so that was yeah,
basically right at you know, this even is saying two
thousand and eight, but he started that project two thousand
and seven. But two thousand and eight was when you
also had this report came out from doctor Aliabas. He's
the same guy who did all these gpr skins with

(32:41):
Bill up at Giza just a couple of years earlier
in two thousand and six with the National Research Institute
of Astronomy and Geophysics. So they put a piss report
or he did. You know, Lewis gave his own report
as well, but this one was part of the Mataja
expedition with Lewis, and yeah, so they ended up getting

(33:04):
these other scans that were of the labyrinth itself to
the south, and these are a couple of the images
they got which ended up showing much more of like
a real grid like pattern, and you know, you can
see parallel patterns, lines, corridors and things.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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with my guest today, Trevor Grassi, discussing the Hawara Labyrinth.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (34:24):
My guest today is research investigator Trevor Grassi. He is
discussing the research on the Huara Labyrinth in Egypt, and
we're getting a sense of some of the latest developments
and revelations from that part of the world. I have
to ask you about Trevor. In the middle of all this.

(34:47):
Obviously the scientists knew about the labyrinth. Why was Zahiuas
denying its existence? Why do you think he was such
a spokesperson for the resistance so to speak.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Well, that's definitely a really good question.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
That's part of what we'll get to actually, I think
being one of the most important things. Actually have a
slide here which it exemplifies that a little bit. This
was from Lewis's report after two thousand and nine, when
they set up a whole conference at the University of
Ghent in Belgium, Zahi basically ended up covering it up.

(35:29):
He said, the conclusion of the horror Do physical survey
is still waiting to be internationally released by Zahi, and
since the release of the scan results of Ghent University
public lecture. Zahi requested to stop communicating our results intimidating
the Mataja expedition team members with Egyptian national security sanctions.

(35:51):
So I'm not even sure technically if Zahi has ever
denied that the labyrinth exists, but he has stopped the
work of Bill's team when they found that the pyramid
was larger. We did see they were getting very close
to getting inside of it. And so he accepted Bill's
report about how to fix the water. This is in

(36:12):
two thousand and nine, but also pick them off the site,
basically hand the project over to this French team, I guess,
and they didn't pursue the water issue. They didn't pursue
the plan to fix it. So at the same time,
Za he's telling Lewis and his team they can't talk
about all these scans they just did which would show

(36:33):
you know, the labyrinth itself. These were literally the first
scans that actually showed the labyrinth, and Zai he's telling
them they can't talk about it on grounds of national security.
And so that has long been this question in everyone's mind,
like what are you talking about national security? How does
this threatn Egypt's national security. Is that like more like

(36:56):
his story started.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, it's more like historic security changing history admitting that
there's us an ic age serulation.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Mm hmm exactly.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
It will.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It will really topple the whole story of you know,
of the narrative of history if if this stuff comes forward,
which Dahi knew back in two thousand and nine, but
we only learned about a month ago with with this
new scan coming out.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, so yeah, I want to kind of.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Go to the introduction of the scans that Klaus Donna
and Carmen doctor Carmen Bolter were working with but were
unable to reveal simply because of people like Zahi Jowas
who would uh probably banish them from access to Egypt

(37:51):
if those scans had come out. And so talk a
little bit of Trevor about the scans, and in introduced
Timothy Akers talk about geo scans technology and what we
have been seeing in the last couple of months of
these fascinating, very accurate images of the body of the labyrinth.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah. Well I have a few pictures of that in
this slideshow too. That's Carmen Boltter. She sadly passed a
few years ago, but she was working with Andrew Barker,
who's seen here the two of them. He was financing
some of these scans and what they came out with
was this one that.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
You can see.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
The red is the lower level and the blue is
the higher level. And what they did here this was
from the company Geoscan, and Geoscan does have this presentation
they put forward like a slideshow talking about their technology
a bit, and they say that they are able to
scan down to six kilometers. For one thing, which is

(38:58):
it was really important considering what you know. My friends
are friends the scan the Cofer Research Project are doing
these days. Everyone's saying that's impossible, but this company, Geoscan,
said they could scan down six kilometers even back then
in twenty fourteen, and that they could also They also

(39:19):
said they could detect various materials, not just voids and
things like that. But this one was kind of more rudimentary,
and they basically were given these images drawn out on
like a Google map, like a two D kind of
contours of these chambers, excuse me. And then they were

(39:39):
also given the depths for where each one of those
levels were, and they just basically extracted them up into
chambers to get this model, so it was a lot
rougher basically, and they wanted to get something with a
lot more detail, and they didn't. Ever Well, they actually
did this other scan with Timothy Acres and Andrew Barker

(40:01):
was also financing that, and later that technique or method
ended up turning into basically the company that's today called
Merlin Burrows with Burgers Blackburn as the CEO of that,
and they're still doing this kind of work today. So,
but we had never seen that scan until just a

(40:21):
month ago. That's the one Lewis just released a month
or so ago, and this was the substack Lewis put out.
You can look up his Labyrinth of Egypt's substack.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
For those of you listening, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be.
I'm gonna be posting h. Lewis's two articles on this.
It's called the Labyrinth Labyrinth of Egypt Part one, Part two. Oh, actually,
Merlin Borrows Scans Part one, Part two is the official title.
What do we know about the technology? Because it sure

(40:55):
seems like the Stars technologies, But it's different, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, Well, here's the image.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
This one's actually the inversion, but this is the actual scan,
So I'll put this up while we talk about it.
It is similar this as well as geoscans. Both of
these were done by satellite for one thing, which is
very different from the on the ground techniques like GPR
and electrical resistivity and magnetometry and that kind of thing

(41:29):
you can do right on the ground, which is mostly
what Lewis was using several of those different ground techniques,
but this one obviously was giving us much more exact
detail about what's down there. And for the most part
that the you know, the real secret stuff about this
technique is still proprietary. It belongs to the company. They

(41:52):
haven't given the exact secret formula for how to do this,
but they are doing it and proving they can do
it and you know, getting testimonials that kind of thing.
So basically, Timothy Akers, he was working with his old
friends in the British military like intelligence community that were
working at a Harrow Gate at this base that was

(42:14):
basically had the top UK's military technology. They'd been using
this kind of thing to like track submarines through the
water just based on the ripple patterns left in the
water behind it. Things that were really amazing technology, super
sensitive equipment and he started using it for this archaeological project.

(42:40):
He got his friends in the military to use their
filters and things to process this image. And so it's
very very you know, I don't know, it's very legitimate.
Let's say, as far as some of these other techniques
are a little bit more people are asking exactly how

(43:00):
did this work, what are they doing, what's their formula?
But this one we can at least we're using like
top British military equipment and experts in the field looking
at it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Let me let me stop you. Let me just stop
you just for a second. I wanted to know that,
since these have been released in the last month or so,
has anyone in the Egyptian Antiquities Department, including Zahie Wash
looked at them and made any comments? Because these are

(43:32):
very sophisticated and they're ten years old. These images are
ten years old. Yeah, do we have any response?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I've not heard.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I've not heard of any public response to this discovery
yet from Zahi or anyone in the ministry.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Really, the only people talking about it were well, me
and Lewis and Bill Ben van Kirkwick, Johanna James covered it.
You've been talking about it. Our friend Mike Rizeker has
been talking about a little, but we basically haven't gotten
this story out until you know, my interview I did recently.

(44:15):
It's called Hawara Rising, So that's with Bill Brown and
Lewis Decordier both describing this discovery. But it really hasn't
gotten out public very much, which is another reason I
thank you very much for covering it here today, because
Lewis hasn't done any interviews in many, many years. This
is the only one he's done about this new material,

(44:37):
and it's a deep dive two hour interview that I
really recommend everyone.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Checks that at Hawara Rising.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
But I haven't heard any response, any official response from
the ministry we were talking about. You know, me and
Bill and Lewis are all teaming up to push for
a excavation and restoration and preservation project there today. So
we do want to get this out and we would
like to hear from the ministry, but we are, you know,

(45:05):
asking if we can try and do a project there now.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
So do you think think that you're possibly outing them
unceremoniously where you're outing them and saying, look what we
found the cats out of the bag. This images. These
images show the multiple levels of the labyrinth, the details
also of the interior structures and so on. You can't

(45:30):
hide it anymore, This is what you're basically saying. And
so in your mind, what would you say would be
the reason they're being quiet.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Well, yeah, it's kind of like what can they say.
They're doing a classic ministry thing where they just make
no comment whatsoever. They just pretend it's not there. They
just like they don't see it. Because obviously you can't
deny this. You got you know, British military intelligence equipment,
like showing us something this detailed.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Of course it's still there. They can't deny that.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, So you know, are just starting to see the
reason for Zahi telling us this was a matter of
national security, because in this articles Lewis put out, he's
telling us a lot of information about what they found inside.
That further confirms, you know that, Yeah, the ministry has

(46:31):
no right to keep hiding this and pushing this away
because I don't know. For one thing, it confirms why
Zahi called it a matter of national security because of
this object that was discovered in the center. We could
get into in a second. But it also you know,
it's like I've been pointing out, you know, I'm not
trying to start a fight with Zahi. I want to

(46:51):
get along and cooperate. But he has had this report
from Bill Brown in his hands since two thousand and
nine that explained exactly how to fix this water damage problem,
how to lower the water table, how to get in there,
document it all, you know, and excavate, and Zahi has
not acted on that report. He accepted it, but he

(47:13):
never put it into practice. So he's basically been letting
the pyramid or letting the labyrinth get damaged since two
thousand and nine when he has a plan of how
to fix it. So it's really making him look pretty
weird as he's still denying this or not commenting on it.
He knows what's down there, that's pretty clear by the

(47:35):
fact that he you know, is threatening him with national
security sanctions, but he hasn't done anything to stop the
active damage to it all. You know, Herodotus was telling
us about paintings down there and things like that that's
really going to get destroyed.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
By this water.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
And it even kind of indicates a much earlier intention
to cover it up because this canal was literally built
straight through it. That was in the eighteen twenties, and
it was by a French freemason had done that, who
was probably tied in with Napoleon, who was there a
few decades earlier. And I think they might have found

(48:12):
some of this stuff and wanted to keep it covered up,
and that might be why they built this labyrinth or
the canal going right through it. So there's a lot
of very clear signs of a conspiracy to suppress the
information of what's down there. And for the first time
we're starting to see all of the evidence that really
lines that all up and shows us the connections.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Do you really believe that you have a chance to
have a t pull a team together to actually do
excavations based on what we know about it, Because if
it does reveal that there's evidence of an earlier, very
sophisticated civilization that built the labyrinth, that's just going to
throw the history books out the window.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Well, as Timothy describes this, and this is the image
of Timothy, that's Timothy Acres and Bruce Blackburn, he's the
CEO of MERYLN. Burrows today they're looking at it, but
he's really the guy who did this scan and got
us all this information, and he was talking about he
was pointing to different parts of it and giving us

(49:24):
a little bit more information where you can see right here. Actually,
for one thing, he was telling us that a lot
of this is actually inverted from what we see it.
As he said, actually the yellow and red is the
upper part, and then it's deeper as it comes to
the dark blue, So it's kind of the opposite of
what we're seeing. These are actually the voids going down,

(49:46):
and you really eat a trained eye to understand what
you're looking at in these images, because it's actually four
or five different levels all compressed into a single image.
So I can't even tell you as well as he
could have you know exactly how we're supposed to read this.
But for one thing, he said, all these black marks
here were basically surface level structures and Persian tomb chafts

(50:16):
and things like that, Roman and Greek. All these black
specks all around these are much closer to the surface,
things that we can get at very easily. So that's
one of the things we could push for initially, at
least in an excavation project. But there's also right over here,
where is it?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Right here? Tim was telling us there is a boat,
a wooden boat.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Like Kufu's solar boat that was found right next to
the Great Pyramid, but that one was disassembled and pieces.
This is actually a full ship, a wooden ship, right
near the surface. And there's another one right down here.
So there's two wooden boats that we can dig which
are very close to the surface. And that would be

(51:03):
one of the amazing finds we could start with, you know,
before or before or after getting in because you know,
with how much we know, I think we could get
right into the at least the lower levels of the
lab brands tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Well, what an.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Amazing project, and none of those it'd be an amazing
project for somebody like National Geographic to come and finance
a massive dig that goes on. It would probably take
a few decades to really clean it up, you know,
and wow, I mean I'd love to support that. But
of course National Geographic adheres to the old paradigm, uh

(51:44):
and so this would be Ice age civilization that would
blow their blow them out of the water.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I think.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I think National Geographic is probably in the school of
people who are working actively to keep it covered up.
But I do think we have some funders who are
very interested in some academics that want to be part
of this project, and we're actually talking about doing what
Bill did on his first project there. They actually did
a program and fifty different Egyptian students from University of

(52:16):
Cairo ended up getting their master's degree on that program,
so they got ehds. We're going to do it like
that as well, where students can come and do their
master's programs there, which I love that.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, but yeah, it is a huge, huge project. You know,
like I say, the lower levels, they're already drained, so
we could be in there overnight really just going in
through the shaft entrance that Bill had already found. But
it would take a while to probably escavate out all
the upper level and we'd have to do some more

(52:53):
work to get the water levels finally dropped from that
upper level. But some of these surface level things like
these these two giant wooden boats, we can find them,
We can escavate those, you know, right off the bat,
and that's very very exciting just in itself. That's not
to mention what they found in the middle here, which is,

(53:13):
you know, for one thing, this central corridor here with
all these this large gallery. Tim was describing this as
where's the image.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Here?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
He was saying, all layers converge at this central corridor avenue.
He added, like the atrium of a shopping mall, where
you can see all floors from one vantage point, all
consisting of a massive space forty meters wide and no
less than one hundred meters long. My personal interpretation, Tim said,
is that the entire hall was constructed to house a

(53:48):
centrally positioned, free standing object about forty meters long. So
this this hall, I found this picture of a shopping
mall just to give an idea. It's like you have
all these different floor is coming in together in a
central gallery, and right in the middle of it is
this huge forty meter metallic object, he described. And I

(54:11):
can show a little more of that in a second too,
But basically that object was right in this chamber, right here,
right under this black mark.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Basically, we're going to take a short commercial break to
allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return
shortly with my guest today, research investigator Trevor Grassi. We
will return with you shortly.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Wish that I could stay in this moment forever, so
I can hold you in my arm, you on my shoulders.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I think it's actually very unique and special that we're
hearing about this ancient relic from the past, this labyrinth
has it's been called that was reported by Herodotous over
two thousand years ago, and why we don't know more
about it is fascinating. But my guest today, Trevor Grassi,

(55:40):
is providing us some great insight When they say object,
what is the guess on what it could possibly be?
Because to name it metallic that's pretty trippy. I mean,
what does that mean ancient? Some other technology?

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, well, I mean people are taking it to all
different you know, interpretations of what it could be. I
think I have some of these, and this one's just
talking a little more.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
About the process.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
But this is this is what's called a Shen symbol.
And Tim said that that object, it's forty meters long,
looked somewhat like a Shen symbol or like a tic
tac shape. But he actually set himself that he paused
before heading with measured gravity. A more speculative theory is

(56:35):
that it's some kind of portal, either interdimensional or interstellar,
a stargate. Its material signature is unlike anything I've ever
seen in my entire career. But it's there, undeniably there.
I'll let the future find out what Dippy is. He
named this object dippy because he was he was making

(56:56):
an association with this Diplodocus dinasor that was in one
of the museums as like a giant central feature of
the room.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
But yeah, so this is literally tim Aker's own words.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
He says he has never witnessed the material signature like
this in his entire career, and that it is some
type of metal he has never detected before.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
He mentions that it's metal further above. But for an
idea that.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
You know, you can you can get the idea that
he was looking from above, so he couldn't tell necessarily
exactly how tall or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
He said.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
It could be this upright disc or it could be
more of like a tic tac shape, like an oblong
oval type shape.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
But very clearly he said, you know, it's forty meters. Lewis.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Actually he had made these this piece of art that
was in the shape of the Shen symbol, which which
we believe is actually related to stargates in the Egyptian
hired Glyss. We have a lot of evidence all over
Egypt describing stargates very literally, like you know, this isn't
me saying, it's the ancient Egyptians. They literally wrote out

(58:10):
the words stargate practically every temple, and a lot of
times it was associated with this shape. So Lewis was
selling a piece of art in this shape to raise
money for these project acts. And this was one image
I did to show relatively the size of how big
that stargate would be with a football fields.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Like almost a quarter of the football one hundred yards
over his fir up, Yeah over almost like two hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah that's yards, not meters, but basically the same.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
So yeah, there's Lewis and Bill. This is just a
shot from my recent It's called Houara Rising. That's the
name of the film if anyone wants to look it up.
But yeah, he basically, you know, he said stargate, not me,
and you know the ancient Egyptian said stargate before him.

(59:07):
So a lot of people are saying this must be
a stargate portal or a craft like a UFO basically yeah,
and you also have to factor in, you know, knowing
that Zai's calling it a matter of national security. I
don't think it's just some sculpture, you know that that's
not important.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You have to factor that in.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
It's it's more like, I don't know, it's it's more
like a UFO or something like that would make sense,
Like what would they have built this entire structure to
be centrally housing It must be something of incredible importance,
like to you know.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
It's one hundred percent metallic too, which is very uh strange.
We don't see metallic objects in Egyptian artifacts. We just
don't have anything, Like we have a few coffins that
are metal, but nothing that side. I think it's a monster.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, that is a major discovery, and that is in
the dry part of you know, I believe that's in
the dry part that we could get into very easily.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So when you say dry part, how many is that?
Like maybe thirty feet from the surface.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
These scans are going down They said all the way
to one hundred meters at the deepest. They were saying, sorry,
this just put it on this image for now that
some of these they were looking at all different levels.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Down to one hundred meters.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Whereas Lewis and Bill, they could see maybe ten twenty
meters or so, depending with various different methods, but this
went way deeper. And I'm not sure when I say that,
I think this object is in a part that's not flooded,
because if it's on multiple levels, but we do know
that all the subterranean levels are actually not flooded, and

(01:01:06):
it's the stuff above more like the ground level under
just sand that is, so we could, I think, get
down there and see this object.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Right about there and then yeah, this whole hall.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
This entire central avenue they say in the report, was
actually sixty by one hundred and sixty meters huge, huge chamber.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
And we have no record of the Antiquities Department attempting
to get in there or do any kind of excavation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Right, No, I mean, if we can follow the patterns,
and we know, you know, how Egypt works, we can
basically assume they have been doing covert excavations to try
and get in there themselves, at least remote sensing covertly.
I mean, clearly, Zahia must have known that this object

(01:02:02):
was down there back in two thousand and nine, because
that's when he told Lewis this was a matter of
national security, so we know they must have, but we've
been really begging them to let us do it. I mean,
especially now more recently since the Copper Project and more
people are really getting interested in these underground structures and

(01:02:23):
complexes of Egypt. It's coming back up, and a lot
of this work I was doing with the Copper Project
helped inspire Lewis to get back into it, and it
happened to coincide with the end of this NDA they
were all under. So it's a lot of things coming
together all at once that it's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Let me ask you real quickly and then we can
move on. Do you think Zahi Owas is adherent to
Mark Laerner the American Egyptologists, because I have this feeling
that American universities or perhaps government agencies are or behind
a lot of this secrecy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Well, he and Lanner have been working so closely together
since the seventies really, and it's interesting that you know,
Mark is really he's really going for the same permit
we're trying to get at Giza right now, and he
really wants it also, and I know that at least
once he denied him even getting it, which was very

(01:03:28):
weird because usually they're working hand in hand. But it
just goes to show, you know that this is very
very sensitive location. This is actually I'm talking about the
temple complex that we revealed in the Secret Underwell of
Giza Part three. This whole temple just to the east
of the Great Pyramid that we believe connects straight into

(01:03:48):
the Great Pyramid, and we think that's you know, how
you actually get into all these new chambers that the
copper product had discovered there, and that ties into all
this stuff. With a large void above the Grand Gallery
and the Great Pyramid, we think these tunnels from the
east goes straight up into that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
But yeah, that's that's something I'm discussing actually in this
interview I just recorded with Matt Bell recently. He's the
one who's funding the drilling project to try and get
into that chamber. You know, I was telling him more
about this potential of us being able to get in
from the east from his temple complex with the tunnel.
But that's something that Mark Laner is actually escavating in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Past few years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Just to the east of that temple, which is part
of the Great Pyramid causeway as it comes out into
the village of Mazadelse I'm on. So he uncovered a
huge section of that causeway, but he has not been
allowed to actually dig at the temple site with the tunnel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Mark's ever been interested in Hawara at all. I haven't
heard of him trying to work there, But I think
he and Zahi are still close to in some ways.
But you know, both of them are kind of generally
I think, going out and putting putting out this idea
that you know, they've they've looked and there's nothing to find,

(01:05:14):
even though they're really not showing us much data to
prove that that's the case. Like the Giza Plateau mapping
project and the Sphinx mapping project. These were with arce
or Era was doing a lot of projects to the
Incion Egypt Research Associates and uh the American Research Center

(01:05:36):
in Egypt. Those are both basically run by Lanner, and
they've both done these projects that basically say, yeah, there's
nothing underneath Giza. We checked trust us pretty much because
they're not showing us any proof. Yeah, they point a
camera into one of the all the five or six
entrances in the Sphinx's body itself and just show us

(01:05:56):
that there's nothing there. But they won't, you know, very
clearly hypocritical.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
One of the huge problems I have with the Antiquities
Department is that they control the narrative. A great example
that you just gave it as the Scan Pyramid team,
which is almost ten years now, that they scan the
Great Pyramid. They revealed this corridor above the entrance. If

(01:06:25):
they identified the huge space above the King's chamber and
said the next step would be to cut a hole
and to see its size. We have never heard the
follow up or the full report from the Scan Pyramid
team because of the national security kind of bs or whatever.

(01:06:48):
And you know, it's a problem. And that's why I
think anybody independent like yourself, who wants to go and
do some digs or a permit to do some some
scans with some technology, one of the provisions is not
sure you can do all the work you want. But
we released the data, and that's that's where the problem is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yeah, and that's what we're worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
If we do even get a permit to you know,
estivate this temple and go through that tunnel and there,
you know, if it's an official permit with the ministry,
they are going to censor the report, you know, so
we would have to, I don't know, be fighting to
really document it accurately. But this is what's coming to
a head with this situation right now, because they postponed

(01:07:39):
it a couple months. But basically, Matt Bell had just
interviewed Zahi a month or two ago, and that's where
he first announced that he was actually funding that project.
He was funding the Scan Pyramids team to finally drill
up into that chamber, and so on that interview I
just did with him. It will be out in the
next couple of weeks. With Matt Bell, we talked about

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it a bit, and I explain more about how we believe,
you know, I'd say I'm ninety to ninety five percent
sure that we can get into all those chambers that
the Coffer project actually showed in much more detail than
the Scam Pyramids did through this tunnel from the east,
and we could dig in a place that has absolutely
no risk to any of the pyramids or anything. We

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can get in basically digging through a pile of rubble
where they just demolished the whole village since twenty twenty one,
they demolished the entire village, all the houses and little
guest houses and businesses. So I mean, I'm saying, what's
going on here with with Zahi and the Scam Pyramids team.

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We have absolute proof that there's at least a very
good chance this tunnel connects straight into all those chambers
and there's no need to drill in the pyramid at all,
which would be far far preferable to actually drill damage
it the pyramid. If we don't have to do that,
we really shouldn't be So if Zahi goes ahead and
drills in there, for one thing, that's going to look

(01:09:07):
really bad for him, because we're showing the whole world
evidence that there's a very likely chance we don't have
to do that at all. And for another thing, it
would seem to to kind of be evidence that Zahi's
already probably got into that chamber if he's willing to
let us drill up in there and stick a camera
in there. I will tell you, you know, you don't

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have to be a researcher like me, you know, to
understand that they're not going to ever stick a camera
into a chamber. If they don't already know what's in it.
They're never going to do that live for the first time,
you know. So if he's giving permission for that drilling
to happen, for one, it's like, no, we shouldn't be
drilling at all. We can get in there without drilling.

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And two, you must have already gotten in there. So
the question becomes did they already get into the tunnel
all that we were describing, and we told the world
about this tunnel in the temple because we knew that
these black market tomb raiders and stuff, they were already
getting in there, and they already knew about it, some
of them at least.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So you're talking about a tunnel, you're talking about the
synthetic aperture radar image of the Cufu, the Great Pyramid,
and there's I guess a tunnel or a shaft that
a man can walk into that comes close or connects
with that open void. Is that what you're suggesting?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Yeah, I could maybe see if I could pull up
an image.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
You're right, that would be amazing if they can connect
with one of those shafts that nobody knows about and
walk right into that room. See, that's the other thing
is if they start showing this new satellite imagery and say, hey,

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there's all these walkways within the Great Pyramid, let's access them.
I think that's also going to fly in the face
of orthodoxy because that proves that the cow was not
a tomb, that it was a machine of some kind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, it could get into some things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
I do have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yeah, I'm trying to see if I could find that
image quick, but I'll just send it to you after.
That shows how that tunnel connects in. But it could
explain quite a lot. And it's like, even if it
doesn't make it all the way there, even if we're
not totally right about that, it's still I mean, it's
a very very good chance of that happening, and there's
no reason not to at least try it before we

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start drilling and doing permanent damage. They had drilled into
the pyramid back in the eighties actually, and this was
another covert operation, but they ended up breaking through this
stone and sand started pouring out, and they didn't know
what to do. They had to plug it up. They
were like, they could have been damaging the pyramid in
a big way if that sand poured out. It was

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actually sand that was from nowhere nearby. Either it was
very specific imported type of sand. It was for some
specific reason. So it's like it's very risky to go
drilling around in the pyramid. We really should avoid it, Yeah,
can so. Yeah, I think even trying that is inexcusable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
While we're on the subject of the Cufu Pyramid, nothing
new has come out of the Antiquities Department or by
any professional egyptologists about the rooms, the shafts, the canals,
the tunnels that were revealed by the Stars team, and

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that scan was revealed in twenty twenty two, so it's
been a few years since that has come out. And
to my mind, those scans revealed that the Great Pyramids
some kind of machine. Isn't that the general consensus?

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah, well that was just the interior the Great Pyramid,
And of course this year in March they released all
these other images that really more so we're speaking probably
to the idea that being components within machinery of the pyramid. Yeah,
and something I've been talking with Chris done a lot about.
I think we're going to have a conversation about that

(01:13:33):
pretty soon. But yeah, there's that's that's a big conversation
I have as well. It's very similar to the things
that were underneath Tesselas's tower, for example, these spiral staircases
grounding very deep down into the earth and into the
aquifers below. Certainly it gives us a lot of new
information to start comparing to Chris Dunn's model of the

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Giza power plant and all these other people have similar theories.
You know, a lot more evidence now for us to
look at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
So yeah, so let's jump back to the Hawara Labyrinth
and talk about a new photo that's been released probably
in the last I want to say, three or four weeks,
which is of this omega shaped and they're calling it
a moat and I think I can't remember if Lewis

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is the one who called it a moat or was
It goes all the way back to Acres who defined
it as a moat. But what do we know about this?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, well he's talking about this big ring around the
whole thing, and like we were talking about the Shen symbol,
this is a kind of what it looks like, and
it's usually it's got this little binding on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
It's like an omega symbol that's connected at the bottom
basically right, And that's they were saying in these imagy
as you can see it's kind of like a giant omega.
I don't have the one with you omega laid over
it right here, but you know, yeah, we were talking
about how this giant shape of the whole thing is
kind of matching potentially what the actual object in its

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center also looks like, which could be, you know, basically
a shape like a stargate, something you could walk through.
But that is certainly not the only reason why we've
been calling it a stargate. There's been other you know,
I'm not saying it is either, but we're not the
only ones to propose that idea. And I was saying

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in my other film with Lewis and Bill that it
was it was similar to my friend Wayne Herschel. He's
been talking a lot about this omega stargate and and
this SHN symbol actually being another another symbol that basically
is associated with a stargate. So he and I had

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both come up with that idea in the past, and
we're we're all seeing these kind of indications that there
is some association with the Shen symbol and the stargate.
But yeah, I don't have the image of that overlaid
on there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
But remember what floor was it? I was it like
the third floor that it falls on, or it's like
And the other thing is when they when Acres has
mentioned it as a moat, I means some kind of
a water way of some kind.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Yeah, I mean it's it's got nothing to do with
the canal. The canal's kind of cutting over like this
at an angle through it. But that's on the much levels,
on the much shallower levels. But yeah, it's hard to
tell exactly. Like I say, he was talking about the
yellow being higher up, so I don't know. It almost

(01:16:55):
seem like this would be more of a mound than
a moat going around at all. So I'm not exactly
sure how that works or how that fits in, but
it could be the opposite. Yeah, you know, we were
talking about potentially things like the large hadron collider, a
particle collider or something. You know, you need these large

(01:17:16):
rings because that is huge. I mean, this is a
huge area we're looking at. It's an enormous round structure.
But yeah, we've got the boat. The wooden boat I
was saying, is right almost on that ring the other
side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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with my guest today, research investigator Trevor Grassi. We'll rejoin
you shortly.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Thought did it be golden crossing the line? And don't
lose bag? Think I was broken? Needed sometimes to clumor.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Because my guest today is research investigator Trevor Grassi coming
to us from New York. He is discussing the Hawara
Labyrinth and the latest discoveries and scans of that location
in Egypt. So now you're making me think that maybe

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the what we consider a labyrinth maybe some kind of
an active machine of some kind, or at least.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Laboratory or I mean, I think there's many signs that
tell us this site is an archive or repository of
artifacts or technology as well as basically a library of
written text. I think basically the reason why there's three
thousand chambers, as Heroditus said, is because they want a

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lot of surface area to actually inscribe all this knowledge
onto the walls like they do all the temples.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
They wanted to set it in stone and make a
permanent archive of this knowledge. And actually there's one other
thing right here. You see this tiny little circle here
that's an enormous dome that Lewis said is actually comparable
in size almost to the Pantheon in Rome. Not quite
that big, but very similar, like a huge, huge dome.

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That might also be similar to accounts we've seen of
like a solar library, archive of knowledge, something like that.
But probably the whole thing really is and I don't
know if you have a you know, this object in
the middle that's very clearly seeming to be something along
the lines of a technological device, potentially a UFO or stargate.

(01:20:17):
That's very very interesting in itself. It could be actual
technology that we could reverse engineer or study or learn from.
But I do also want to say, just as I
bring up this word stargate, and again it's it's Tim
Akers saying that word first, and before him it was
the ancient Egyptian saying it. But just so I don't

(01:20:37):
say that word and everyone goes crazy being like that's
you know, science fiction. Yeah, I did just want to
mention that our friends Mohammed Ibrahim and Mike Riziker, they
just did this amazing interview a few days ago just
came out and this interview I know, you know Mohammed

(01:21:00):
and Mike. Mohammed has a tour company that's literally called
Stargate Tours. It's called SABA, which means Stargate, and Mike
hosts the Stargates of Egypt tour with Mohammed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
So, and if that wasn't enough, they both were already
planning on going to Hawara this year on that tour,
and I might actually join them because I'm going to
be there at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Yeah, so we have a new tour coming up next
to April and we're gonna be down in that area
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So awesome, are you going to Hawara as well?

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
I think we're gonna stop by it. We're not gonna
we'll probably just get out. You can't really see anything
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
It's like a yeah, yeah, so well that don't go there. Yeah,
it's kind of far out of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
We're not gonna, I don't I can't remember on our terrary,
but we're gonna see some unusual megalithic places down in
the southern part of Egypt. April twenty eight through May
tenth of you listening I talk about it every week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Awesome, Oh I might I might be around there then.
Also I thought we'll hook up. Hey yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Yeah, But this, you know, I just want to explain
also that Mohammad's not jumping on this like some new
age bandwagon. He's you know, Mohammed was was really a
much more conservative, you know, Egyptologist, and you know he
is a trained archaeologist and everything. But he just started
seeing this word written all over the temples, stargate. You know,

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gates with literal stars inside of them, are on top
of them everywhere, and he he couldn't die what he
was reading on the walls.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
It says stargate. But in this interview I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
He was on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I'm telling you, he was dropping stuff I had never
heard before. I think it's all going to be in
his second book that he's working on now. But he
told my talking about this a couple things like for
that there were these five or six different stargate kings
or operators or keepers who had access to that technology.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
He said.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Recently he's found actual hieroglyphic accounts on the walls of
descriptions of the stargates, descriptions of how to actually use them,
like a stargate instructional manual, really destinations, destinations and other
star systems, and he said, he said he had evidence

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that the Lahun Pyramid, which is right next to Hawara,
he said, at least there were a lot of legends
and stories that this was a UFO port, that UFOs
would land there. He said that there was he'd found
evidence the Egyptians had visited the Moon, and he said
then he said, this was the absolute kicker. I could

(01:23:53):
not believe he said this, but he said he found
records of Egyptian colonies on other planets through the stargates,
alongside these descriptions of how to use them and what
the destinations were.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
So I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
I've been following him for quite time and following the
research he's been doing. I've been on the Stargates tour
even one day. He called me up when I was
there and he said I could just join for one day,
which is actually when I first met Mike. And you know,
I've been following it pretty closely, but he dropped so
many bombs in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
I was like sharing on that stargate book. He's almost
finished with it. I hope that he can get it
published in the America as though United.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
States pretty big news.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I'm glad you mentioned that. As
we conclude, give us what your hope is for further
research of the Hawara area and what permits you're working
to get, if any, to do any kind of research.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Yeah, well we are.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
We're pushing as hard as we possibly can, and I
mean me, Bill Brown, Lewis de Cordier. You know, for
the most part, other people who have been involved in
the past were really opening up to anyone who wants
to be involved or help support however they can. We're
trying to put together, you know, the basic pieces, just
like we're doing at Giza. Bill and I are doing

(01:25:24):
at Giza, but Lewis is more spearheading this push for
a project at Hajara, and we're both helping him with that.
But basically, yeah, we need the funding and we need
a university affiliation and archaeologist to be associated with it.
And if we have that, then yeah, we have. We
have so much evidence at this point. We have four

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separate teams who have already scanned the Hawara labyrinth and
proved that it's there. Plus we have the Kofer project.
They're going to scan it next. So they're still working
on Giza, but they've already agreed to scan Hawar. So
we're bringing more evidence than has ever been presented before.
We're proving that we can do it with the right people,
right equipment, right kind of funding. We're going to bring

(01:26:11):
the money ourselves. We've got a few different funders interested
pretty much pretty much ready to go, and we're pushing
for a preservation project, like I say, and a restoration.
It's a rescue mission. It's a rescuation I like, yeah, yeah,

(01:26:32):
because it is really a serious archaeological crime. Honestly, I
don't know how else to say it that I'm sorry.
You know, Zahi has had this information since two thousand
and nine. He knows we could patch up that canal
for starters, or ideally just completely re route it far away,

(01:26:52):
because without that canal getting fixed, it's just going to
keep flooding back in. And besides that, you already know
where we could drill some strategically located wells that would
keep the water lower, you know, in places that aren't
going to hurt it. So you know, I think it
might involve a little more testing to make a final

(01:27:14):
complete solution to the water, but we basically have a
plan to fix that, and so we're coming to them
with all this evidence that the labyrinth is clearly there,
it clearly has an object at its center that will
change humanity entirely once we find it. It will change
the entire origin of our civilizations, the entire narrative of history.

(01:27:37):
We've got so much. I mean, just these wooden boats
alone like that are very shallow. We could definitely get
to them. The more we prove that there is something very,
very worthwhile to find down there, and that we can
do it safely, and that at the very least we
need to stop this active water damage ruining this. It's

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like you say, Herodotus, he's the father of history, and
he literally said, basically, you know, the Pyramids surpass all
the works of the ancient Greeks and Hellenes, but the
Labyrinth surpasses even the Pyramids. He's saying, the ar Labyrinth
is the single greatest architectural achievement in human history, and
at its center is what I would say, I'm ninety

(01:28:22):
percent sure is either a UFO or a stargate in
some form is he that may sound.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
To some people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
You know, I'm one of the people who has been
following this story for a long time. I know Lewis Bill,
I know all the other people who have worked on
except Carmen I never got to meet. But you know,
I've taught, I've been speaking with Merlin Burrows. Everyone involves
and that's coming from all my research that I literally say.
I mean, it's still going to sound like a reach

(01:28:52):
to a lot of people, but this does seem to
be some type of interplanetary technology most likely at the
center of it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Many we changed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Do you think with all the u because we're dealing
with a developing country in Egypt?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
And I mentioned I get very frustrated because we go
every year and I talk to field archaeologists there and
they're not using ground penetrating radar, They're not definitely not
using SAR satellite technology. Do you think that they are
going to welcome out another country to come in and

(01:29:30):
start digging at Hawara and uh not want to try
to control it and change the name.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
I think it's uh they actually prefer that for some reason,
for whatever reason, because in a lot of these situations.
I would I would even suggest working with the Egyptians
more like the NRI a g the Egyptians National Research
Institute who is working there back you know, with Lewis
and working with Philip Giza. But you know, we've been

(01:29:59):
told some of our Egyptian contacts on the ground within
the ministry and stuff that they would really prefer a
foreign mission to come in and propose the application to
work with the Egyptians. But they actually they actually want
foreign countries to be involved and a mission meeting a
university or a museum or some type of foundation, that's

(01:30:20):
that's good for that. So yeah, that's kind of part
of what we're bringing together into it. But yeah, I think,
I don't know, I think we've got a better case
than we've ever had before, and if we can bring
the funding right next to it, I don't know what
Zahi or the Ministry you're going to have to say about,
you know, denying our permit. I think the world should

(01:30:41):
be in an uproar if we bring all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Of that and they deny it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
So I think we're very close, and I think at
this point it's going to be very hard for them
to do it, because you know, Zahi did this interview
with Rogan recently and it's been going downhill for himself.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Well, that was a disaster, that was an utter disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
And then of course he backed out. You know, he
said in that interview that he would be happy to
speak with me and the Coffer Project. We actually were
all going to do a round table with him for
this conference that we're doing in Dubai, Me and Armando
and Filipo of the Coffer Project, We're going to do
a round table interview before that conference. And after he
said on Rogan, yes, I'd happily of course were his words.

(01:31:26):
He said, of course I'd be happy to speak to them,
and then he literally withdrew from this conference just to
avoid meeting us all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Literally that was the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Oh, you got to wonder. You got to wonder, Trevor,
if what is happening? More and more reveals are being
displayed in more data is coming up that begins firmly
shifting the narrative that there was an early Ice Age
civilization or plus to seeing group of people Atlantis, other

(01:32:01):
types of sophisticated people, and there's a and there is
some kind of international undercurrent or black ops kind of
group that's like, no, we're not going to release this data,
and it's guys like you are saying, no, man, this
has to come out. We need to know our true history.
This is the reason I started Earth Ancients. I have

(01:32:23):
this gut instinct that there is an early, very sophisticated
civilization that we know about but are not able to
verify because it would require historians to rewrite the history
books and they're just not willing to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yeah, and I think in a lot of cases, you know,
it's easy to put all the blame on Zahi, but
that's not what I think is the case. You know,
I think he's controlled by every agency and secret society
and and different groups like you know, mafia is and
that are all working their way into the history and
trying to control all that stuff. And you know, they
all have different different reasons for pressuring Zahi into not

(01:33:07):
saying this stuff. I think some of it he actually
wants to say but can't. He is clearly that the
one level that is still visible to us, that's clearly
the gatekeeper stopping at all. But he's not making most
of those decisions. Honestly, there's people above him pressuring him
and it's complicated, but we you know, we think every

(01:33:29):
single day this year, it's just getting we have a
better and better case to show that this stuff is real.
And he's looking worse and worse the more he keeps
denying it or you know, even deny the possibility of it.
You know, the whole world is seeing it while he's
still saying, Nope, nothing there, and it's like, dude, we
all know it's there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Well, we all know. His interview on Joe Rogan was
such an international embarrassment that if you're an Egyptologist, I
haven't talked to anybody who's I've had on the show,
but that must have been, you know, a huge, huge
problem for the industry with this guy who doesn't even
know what zep TEPPI is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Yeah, And honestly, the the Arabic press really just ripped
into him after that and they said, you know, your
ego's out of control, you're not representing Egypt. Well, all
these things and then he shortly after did his interview
with Matt Bella was just talking about and since then
he did one more on Piers Morgan with Dandy Duncan

(01:34:34):
and Jimmy I saw that one, and the one with
Matt Bell actually got him some redemption was a lot better.
And then the one with Piers Morgan, I mean that
was kind of more of a mess too. But honestly,
in some ways I was citing with him in one
statement that you know, he's saying, we can't just drill,

(01:34:55):
you know, that's why it's taken us so long to
get into this chamber. And yeah, I'm saying, yeah, you
you don't have to drill. That's what I'm trying to
yell at the top of my lungs to the world.
It's like, we don't need to damage the pyramid, and
we shouldn't if we don't have to, you know, we
shouldn't just be able to get in there. We have
a tunnel that goes to that change amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
So as we conclude, when do you think you're going
to have boots on the ground in the Hawara with
you with your team? What would be an estimation when
you would start your work?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Well, basically, the excavation season of Egypt is from like
September October up till March or April. They don't work
in the summertime, so pretty much we're pushing for Hawara
and Giza. Right now, we're trying to get the permits
at both or either and which everyone comes through first.

(01:35:48):
We're hoping we can get at least one or the
other by September, you know, October, we could have boots
on the ground actually digging by that time at.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
You know, one or the other or both this year.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Really it could happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
I mean, that's that's we've been pushing for that all year.
That's been the goal. I mean, even if it took
a little longer, we could start by the middle of
the winter potentially, But if we don't get it really
together very soon, we're we're not gonna be able to
do it for this season. But you know, for the
the one at Gezo, we know there's three other teams
trying to get that permit, and so there's a real

(01:36:26):
sense of urgency to try and get it now because
whoever gets it gets it for years to come. So
before we were kind of just like, well, let's push
for it until we get it, but now it's like, oh, wow,
we better get it or it's I mean, humanity loses
if I don't know who these other teams are, but
I don't think there's anyone who's really gonna, you know,

(01:36:46):
fight as hard as we would to create a project
with integrity where we can actually show the world what's
really there before you know it's it's all rated and
taken out right. So it it's become very desperate and
urgent at Pisa, and it already has been very urgent
at War because, like I say, this water is actively
damaging it right now. So it's very urgent in both situations.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
So amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
We could be underground at either site by September or
October and people support us and you know, share this
information really get the awareness out that would that would
greatly help. So I will thank you once more for
having me to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Yeah, no, thank you for joining me. Trevor. I want
to mention for those of you listening, Trevor has an
excellent YouTube channel. We spoke a little bit about some
of his latest videos, but they're well done, very very informative,
and other than the YouTube channel, give us your other
contact points. You have a Facebook page? What else? How
can people get a hold of you? What's your website?

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
I have? Yeah, I'm on Facebook, Trevor GROSSI I'm on
X a little bit Trevor Grossi, and that's the name
of my YouTube channel as well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
It's my name.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I have a website that I just got on a
private service, so I'm starting to put some stuff on,
but it really doesn't have too much yet. But that's
called Opusmagnum dot org. And we also have a I
have a Facebook group called Opus Magnum Group, so I
share a lot of stuff there and anyone can share
stuff related to it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It's a discussion about a lot of this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Yeah, you live your passion, dude, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
But there's also a Facebook group that's called Laborate of Egypt.
But that's Lewis's He's had that for a long time
and that's got a lot of updates. It's really important
to follow if you're into Juara, and also Lewis's substack.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
I think you'll put a link to that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
I'm sure substack. Yeah, okay, for those of listening, I
am going to have all of Lewis's articles, well, I
think I'll have two two Part one and Part two
available to read on the Facebook page. Go to Facebook,
go to Earth Ancients and you'll see the information. I'm
also going to post some of the photographs that Trevor

(01:38:59):
was featuring today, so it should be available fairly soon,
within the next twenty four hours. Hey, Trevor, thanks for
coming on last minute. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Man, absolutely, yeah, thanks so much for having me. It's
great great talking with you again. I know we kind
of covered this when we first came on, but that
was just the audio interview. So it's nice to share
some of the images and thank you so much for
having me. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
You have to see these images if you haven't been
to the Facebook page and seeing the scans their color,
and it's under Hawara Hawara Labyrinth and there's a series
of early photographs that have been up for at least
I want to say, close to a month, but I'm
going to put up a whole bunch of new ones

(01:39:50):
that were recently sent to me so that you can
see the details of these interchambers. And we're not given
the details of this Merlin Borrow's system, in other words,
the technology behind the satellite scanning array. And it's rightly

(01:40:10):
so because it's a military application and it's rare, but
it's a it's great to have it released because normally
this things would be buried, and it was buried for
ten years. But this gives us a heads up. This
gives anybody from Orthodoxy who wants to look at these structures,
especially the labyrinth, with any great detail, they're going to

(01:40:32):
see that this is a functional, man made, artificial cut
from rock, building a labyrinth. And so that should give
credence to the antiquities department or any university. I mean,
if you go to Egypt today, there's German sites, there's
Czechoslovakian sites, there sites from Italy, France, and there's a

(01:40:57):
couple from America. Everybody's got their dig agendas. But Jesus,
if you had a chance to excavate a known laborth
I would think you would jump on it rather than
pulling out burial mummies a few thousand years old. If
you had an idea or inkling that this is an

(01:41:18):
eight thousand, ten, twelve thousand year old structure or perhaps older,
wouldn't you want to jump on it. I don't know
if we're ready for it, that's the whole thing I
have a feeling about. I think the powers that be
thinking may not be ready for this revelation. But hey,
we'll go as far as we can. We'll go as
deep as we can into the details. So good to

(01:41:40):
have Trevor on the program as always, and we shall
follow it up with the additional data as it comes forward.
I will mention that Trevor has just mentioned to me
that he is writing a book that he wants to
have published, so we'll see what happens with that. He's

(01:42:00):
got photos that are amazing. He's been able to collect
some quite insightful photographs as well as revealing photographs on
these sites, the Great Pyramid and the Labyrinth, the Huara Labyrinth. Hey,
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(01:43:34):
all right, take care of you well and we will
talk to you next time.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
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