Episode 64: The Moose Is Loose Pt 2

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Welcome.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Eating Wild podcast.
I am your host, antonio SmashMalecka, and I'm joined by my
co-host, christopher ShowtimeJohnson.
Folks, if you listened to lastweek, you enjoyed part one of
our interview with the moose.
This is part two.

(02:38):
Folks, this is part two of ourinterview.
We sat down with moose and youknow we just started talking and
, to be honest, this guy isprobably one of the most
interesting guests we've everhad on our show.
It had to be a two-parter andsit back, relax.
If you listen to part one,you're really going to enjoy
part two, and we dive deeperinto things with the Moose.

(02:59):
So sit back, folks, relax andenjoy part two of our interview
with the Moose.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Yeah, no, life's busy , life's busy.
I'm blessed in many differentparts of my life where my wife's
just as crazy about fishing asI am Nice.
She saw the passion before shewas around.
I've known her for years sowhen she came into my world I
said there's two things that arenever going to change A, it's

(03:29):
my love of the sport and b mylove for you and the kids.
Right, that's not going tochange.
You take one of those away fromme, everything will change.
And and it was just that youknow, so she's cool with it.
Um, it can be tough, obviously,but she gets it like.
This is my only hobby.
I don't do anything else.
I I work, I eat, I entertain,and when I say I entertain, it's

(03:49):
because I'm entertaining otherpeople in my boat.
This is why I don't have a bassboat.
I have a multi-species boat.
I'd rather have four people inmy boat than one.
I want to share the experienceof that hook set that catch that
like.
I want to high five you whenyou catch a two pounder.
It doesn't matter, you caught afish like.
For me, it's the excitement,the adventure, what's at the end
of my line?

(04:09):
You know that's.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's really what it's all about for me.
So what tournaments?
Do you have anything coming upat all that you're involved with
?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
oh man, oh boy, oh boy we got a big one, you know
what man I, I when I when I wastalking to moose last week, we
were setting up the show and weoriginally had this podcast
slated for tomorrow.
Okay, and with your schedule,my schedule, we're like we've
got to make sure we make timefor Moose and he texted me.

(04:38):
He's like can't do Thursday,got to talk with Bob Izumi and
doing another podcast tomorrowand this is all about the
tournament that Moose.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
What tournament is this?
Canada Bass, oh, okay, butbefore all of that, our charity
tournament stuff.
I want to quickly touch on that.
Yeah, go ahead, because there'sso much happening with BASS and
all these different clubbiesand organizations and the CSFL
and they run 30 tournaments ayear and we try to stay involved

(05:11):
with everyone.
But preseason we do a piketournament.
We try to get involved with theCSFL and sort of bring people
to that event along with thePerch Festival.
So our charity tournament isthe pike tournament at the
beginning, is the PikeTournament at the beginning of
the year and at the end of theyear we do a gathering.
So we pick a lodge this yearIt'll be our third time going to

(05:33):
the French River, camp McIntoshand the OFC Nation, so a
combination of CFN and OFC.
We bring 30 people up to thelodge, we fish, we have a blast,
we eat, we laugh, we teach, wegive some stuff away and just
have a good time.
That sounds awesome.
That's our charity thing.
And that's happening inSeptember is our retreat.
But in September there's alsoCanada Bass.

(05:56):
Right, I didn't know it washappening in September.
I got a phone call from my buddy, joe hey, bruce, how's it going
?
You gotta love joel ford.
He's a gem.
He's got stories for days andhe's a stick and a half.
And joel absolutely loves thefishing industry and he's he's
bent over backwards for theindustry but he sees a void.

(06:17):
He saw a void four or fiveyears ago and said some things
need to change when it comes totournaments.
So he put this thing togetherand he's working with other
groups and organizations andcountries and all of a sudden
Canada Bass was a thing Like itbecame.
You know, at first they got alot of flack because they were
handpicking anglers to fish forCanada.

(06:38):
It was like well, how do youdetermine who is the best angler
without actually having atournament?
So at the time I think it wasTeam Mexico was throwing an
event.
They wanted a Canadian team.
There was no time for aqualifier.
So I think it was Bob Izumi hadjust handpicked anglers and

(06:59):
said we're going to Mexico,we're going to fish for Team
Canada.
Then they had a qualifier,created a team.
Then they had a qualifier,created a team.
Then they had another qualifier, created a team.
All of a sudden they'retraveling to Portugal and
they're going to.
So cool, it's the wildest thing.
Portugal, mexico, the USA wehad one here in Cornwall.
So Canada Bass started to growsome legs and between Joe and

(07:27):
Bob and the whole board andbrent and and dave chong and all
these guys, um, they're bendingover backwards working hard
because they want to see bassfishing on the olympic stage.
So that's the all that's.
The ultimate goal is to bringbass fishing to the olympics.
In the process, there's allthese events happening all over
the world.
Why wouldn't we be involved?
Canada Bass is hosting thisyear in New Brunswick the Black

(07:52):
Bass Championships.
There's 11 different nationscoming.
I got a phone call asking me ifI can help out.
Sit on the board.
That's something Media directoror arts director.
I'm helping, joe.
You can't say no to these guys.
They're just, they're gems.
How do you say no to Bob Azumi?
How do you say no to Joe Ford?

(08:12):
I need your help with somegraphics.
So I created the logo for themfive years ago, but along with
the logo, I created a whole,basically a whole look at a
brand, a website and images andbackdrops and banners and so on
and so forth, and they neverused it and I never understood
why.
It's because they just nevergot my email.

(08:33):
So, really, so years later,he's like man, I need abnc.
I said, well, you're in luck, Ihave that all oh, yeah, yeah,
so it's just a perfect fit, goodtiming.
They needed some help.
I had the time and I said, yeah, let's do it without checking
with my partners, because ourcharity or not a charity, but

(08:53):
our retreat is happening at thesame time, oh man.
And so I called him back and Isaid hey, man, I'm not going to
be able to do this.
And he's like really?
And I was like, yeah, I waslike I'm taking 30 people to the
french river.
I've done it for three, fouryears.
I can't miss it.
A for them and b I enjoy it.

(09:14):
Yeah, yeah.
So I called scotty and I waslike scotty, uh, no, I'm back in
, it's all good.
I I canceled the job.
And he's like are you insane?
He's like what's wrong with you?
What do you mean?
He's like you're gonna cancelan opportunity to work with
those guys on something thatcould be absolutely incredible
in the future to go to theFrench river.
I was like yeah, man, I got 30people relying on me.
Yeah, yeah, it's so cool of you.
He's like go, I can't, Ialready can't.

(09:36):
It's fine, don't worry about it, I'll get them what they need
and we'll we'll go from there.
He's like no, no, no, I'm nottelling you.
I was like I've already filledyour spot.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
He hadn't, but he said I've already filled your
spot.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
I need you to go to this.
This is a great opportunity foryou.
You're always doing everythingfor everyone else.
This is a good opportunity foryou and so far it has been an
incredible opportunity just towork alongside of you know names
like jeff jeff wilson from,yeah, new brunswick.
Yeah, the marimper Cup thing.
Yeah, I cannot wait to go anddo that.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's so cool, you know it's guys like that.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
So opportunity came up.
I took advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And yeah, here we are .
You're going to have a busy.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
September.
Well, here's the thing, like,let's talk about some of these
teams.
Like you were talking about iton the phone last week and you
were dropping some names.
So Team Canada, let's talkabout that because we have some
sticks happening right now.
You mean me and you right,we're going.
I had to pull out Siege what?

(10:35):
I got injured, you're justtelling me now I got injured man
.
My doctor said nope, I'd loveto see you guys at the qualifier
.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Can we get a hall pass that goes right to the end?

Speaker 7 (10:47):
The qualifiers are in November Bay at Queenie Come to
the qualifier.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know if my casting finger is still broken.
Siege, you know the story thatI told you happened to me in the
Bahamas.
Yeah, here we go, here we go.
I told you, man, I can't do it.
Get back to the Blues.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, here we go, here we go.
I told you, man, I can't do it.
Get back to the question.
So how's the Canadian team?
We're not on the Canadian team.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I'm just saying, listen, we got some sticks and
I'm surprised Moose isn't inthis tournament because from
what he's just been telling us,but who is representing Canada
for this tournament?
Now you're putting me on thespot.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
You don't have to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
No, no, there's lots of guys here he's pulling out
his real thing.
I'll pull up the list Whilehe's pulling that out CJ.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Sometimes, as you might know, sometimes, if you
forget someone.
A freshman can be verysensitive.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yes, not to call you any of the boys sensitive, no,
no, you just want to make sureeverybody's, but just off my
head, cj, and I'm going to askyou this In your mind, who would
you pick?
Your team Canada?
Your Tiger Woods at the bigtournament for USA or your Mike
Weir for Canada?
Who are you, off the top ofyour head, picking to represent

(11:52):
Canada?
You're the captain, cj.
What's my name?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
The Johnson brothers, my name is Chris Johnston CJ.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
How many times do you get mixed up?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Our episode two of our podcast.
When we had CJ start, we hadmore ratings than you would
believe.
Everyone's like, even PeteBeaumont Beaumont.
Pete Beaumont, he was like howdo you know, Chris Johnson?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I get people sliding in my DMs all the time wanting
me to sponsor tournaments andask me for merch and all that
stuff.
I should get Chris on here withyou guys.
Oh yeah, that'd be great.
But yeah I would.
I would go with the Johnsonbrothers.
They are doing well and that'sI'm not being they were invited
out.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
So there's there's people that qualify for it,
there's people that are justautomatically given a ticket
because of, I guess, status.
Then there's people that aregiven the opportunity because
they've their tournament series.
So the cool part about CanadaBass now, let's say you win the
Kawartha Cup, you'll get aninvitation to fish Canada Bass.
If you win whatever else, anymajor tournament series where

(12:53):
you win something, you'll get aninvitation to go and fish
Qualifier in November.
Anybody can fish it.
So the Johnson Brothers did getan invitation but they have
other tournaments and otherthings going on at the time so
they couldn't make it.
The cool part about it is wehave the one and only jeff
gustafson oh god, what does?
Mercer call him the the white,uh white white lion white tiger?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
yeah, I can't think it's snow leopard, the snow
leopard, snow leopard.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
So you got god, it's no leverage.
So you got gussies coming,canadian Snow Leopard Gussie's
coming up, cooper's coming upAgain, and those two in a boat.
There's something to be saidabout the other nations, though,
when I saw these guys fishingCornwall.
Don't discredit Team Mexico,team Costa Rica.

(13:42):
How about the States?
Is the States in the tournament?
Of course they're a stackedteam.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Are the.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Martins brothers going to be part of that, so
Scott Martin's going to be there.
Oh boy, hamner, oh.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Hamner, he just won the.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
Classic.
He's going to be there.
But I mean, as far as TeamCanada goes, adam AJ or Adam
Howell yeah, oh God.
Adam Foster, ben so I can'tpronounce his last name, ben
they're brothers from NewBrunswick, I believe.
Oh, that's cool.
Bob McMillan, brent Valer,cooper Gallant, corey Gaffney

(14:18):
Another stiff, dave Chong heactually won.
Yeah, so yeah, that list ishuge.
Jason Hare, jason Hines, jeffGustafson Never heard of that
guy.
Joey Ford is actually analternate.
Jonathan Phil Curtis, bob IzumiNever heard of him.

(14:39):
I'm sure I'm forgetting andmissing a whole bunch of guys,
but BI, are you crazy?
A lot of really good sticks.
A couple guys are currentlyfishing in the MLF Championships
and the Toyota Series and allthat.
So some of the names you maynot recognize, the faces you
might recognize, but they'regood sticks.
Oh yeah, they qualify to bethere, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
It's pretty neat, moose, what's your title at this
tournament?
Like, what is it that you are?
Because obviously it's a hugeopportunity, like you said, to
be just around those names alone.
That's like the NHL, rightthere.
Media arts director.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
Wow, everything you see visually videos and signage
and posters and stage and flags.
Between myself, joe and Adamand Brent, we designed the whole
thing top to bottom.
The coolest thing was just ascreenshot of the tournament
site and it's like, okay, thisis where it's going to be Start

(15:39):
designing.
It's like, okay, I want to puta stage here, I want banners
here, I want this, I want this,I want this, I want to put a
stage here, I want banners here,I want this, I want this, I
want this, I want this.
Now we've got to create it.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
You're not going to believe this.
I'm dropping news, I'm fired up.
Do you know that we will berepresented at this tournament
in a I'm going to say in a bigpart of this tournament.
I'm hoping you guys come, okay,odj, outdoor Journal, outdoor

(16:05):
Journal Radio Network, the Fishand Canada team will be there.
Mr Angelo Viola, mr PeteBeauregard, dean Taylor, they're
going there.
We're there, siege, we're there.
The boys are representing.
We're there in spirit.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
But I'll tell you right now they're coming down,
they're going to be hosting, soAurora Productions is going to
do the lives, yeah, so it'llalmost be like you know, fast
live kind of thing.
There'll be an hour or twoevery day where you know there's
a panel, people are talking.
I'm pretty sure Pete.

(16:45):
Pete and Andrew are both onthat panel to chat.
They're there to film a show.
There's a lot happening behindthe scenes that a lot of people
don't know about.
You know the logistics behindit.
It's busy, especially with 11nations and five of them barely
speak English.
Picture those conversations.
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So how many people are per team representing the
company or not company, thecountry?
So is it a boat of two anglersper country?
Two?

Speaker 7 (17:03):
anglers.
So I think Team Canada's goteight boats.
I think everybody's allowed upto eight boats.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I believe that's what .
So is it the combined?
Obviously the combined weightwithin each boat.
There's a point system, okay,there's individual pricing, and
then there's a point system forthe overall.
So this kind of sounds like theolympics, right?
So there's, each countrythere's.
Is there going to be like gold,silver?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
yeah, I don't know what gold painter pictures.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, they're there.
You can really see what they'reup to with this and I love it
it's cool it's really well ifwe're crying.
I love they have break dancingin olympics now why is it their?
I?

Speaker 7 (17:41):
wasn't sure if anybody was gonna go there.
I'm gonna tell you right now Iwas in it, it's no longer in.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Oh, it's not.
They took it out well.
After that australian dancerwent on the stage.
It's the biggest meme on socialmedia right now.
You know they want to get intothe women's costume.
You're right but fishing shouldbe there.
Man, let's talk about that,because I'm gonna say right now
I don't have much time to watchthe Olympics, obviously, but
whenever the runners were going,you had the 100 meter, the 200,

(18:08):
then the relay.
Those are things that in mymind it's like okay, I got to
watch it.
It's one of those epic eventsat the Olympics you got to watch
.
I wasn't able to watch thebeach volleyball, but I'll tell
you something If fishing waspart of the Olympic siege, no
matter where I am, I'd DVR it,I'd tape it, because I would be
glued, especially if Canada,with those names, are going out

(18:30):
there.
I'd be freaking out.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It'd be so awesome.
I guess it would all depend onwhat country it was at and what
species you're going after,right, because not every country
has bass.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
I think what the ultimate goal is.
You have to have a specificnumber of countries
participating in an event.
I don't know if an event 25 or50, right, but there has to be a
certain number of countries tocompete in that event, right?
So currently, I mean, there'sthere's teams from south korea,
there's teams from japan they'renot coming this year, but the

(19:01):
numbers are getting up there butthere's some countries that
don't even have bass right, thatare competing.
Oh, that's cool, you know whatI mean.
So these guys love bass fishing.
They go to the States and theygo here and they go there.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Let's talk about that .
If you talk about bass fishingin general, like the tournaments
now, before all you saw was theAmerican flag and we love our
friends over in the States.
But now you see Canadaada,australia, japan and they're all
chinese.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
They're all sticks, too sticks.
Yeah, the chinese team is notto be messed with and they bring
so much enthusiasm.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah mexico like.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
I had the pleasure of meeting those guys a handful of
times and I hung out with themat the mlf championship years
ago, colby, so my littletournament partner.
He qualified to go to the MLFchampionship so I took him down
there.
I wasn't even fishing and hewas fishing as a co-angler and I
bumped into those guys Greatestguys you'll ever meet.
And the English is broken, yeah, but the common, the common

(20:00):
passion, right, it's crazy.
It's crazy great group of guysand it's like come to mexico
anytime, my door's open soyou're gonna be the one with the
creative uh my there's.
So there's a there's an artsdirector which is adam foster,
and I'm working just under him,sort of helping him make sure
everything's in place, so that,uh, so I'll be running around,

(20:20):
you know, posting social mediavideos, just little clips of
behind the scenes.
Uh, I sort of fell into a role.
I'm uh I'm on the board withthe boys now and sort of helping
them organize the event, andthen I'll be hosting on the main
stage with jeff wilson so thatthat kind of goes into his uh a
segue of what moose does for aliving okay, let's talk about

(20:42):
that.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Buddy br2, huge man, br2, I love that name.
Well, br2, like we're, we'rewe're my last name, right, bird
two yeah, bird two, that's,that's good.
And and the fishing industry isa big, obviously, supporter of
br2.
And and it goes back to youtalking about tournament fishing
and what how he started, how doyou find time to be this

(21:05):
entrepreneur fish?
You know, like I'm just blownaway by your story in general
and then him coming out with metoday on set.
This guy could be working forme tomorrow.
I can probably be one of thebest people on the team.
You, just you have this naturalpassion for everything.

(21:26):
It seems you do so, br2, youknow, you, you you use,
obviously, you're in the fishingindustry as well, but it's not
the only thing that br2 does,right?
No, no, we cover a widespectrum of services and it.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
It just it got to the .
So I graduated.
So after having that chat withdad are you going to stick with
this food thing, or you know?
Uh, I said no, I'm gonna, I'mgonna take off and I'm gonna do
at the time, computer graphics,computer web design, multimedia,
computer design was a big thingyears ago.
Everybody was building websitesand you got to learn html and

(22:03):
xhtml and graphic design.
So I went to school for graphicdesign, uh, and I did three
years of that.
Sorry.
I went to school foradvertising and I had two years
of that, dropped out and wentand did graphic design and I did
three years of that.
I was on the six-year programbecause molson canada made me
the campus representative.

(22:25):
So here I am, working forMolson Canada and trying to go
to school, and you know theygive you an SUV full of booze
and you can host parties.
I'm familiar with thoseprograms At the university pub.
So, there was a lot of firstyear and second year were just a
write-off.
So, anyway, I went to schoolfor that, got a job in Toronto
working for Mega Wraps and thenworking for the Pita Pit oh no

(22:50):
way.
And I flooded a Pita Pit andthey fired me.
And then I went to Mega Wrapsand that guy sold something like
120 different stores and thendisappeared and took everybody's
money.
So Mega Wraps went under Holysmokes.
So then I just said you money?
So Magraph went under Holysmokes.
So then I just said you knowwhat, I'm going to find
something simple and I want tostay at home, I want to stay

(23:10):
local.
So I started working part-timeat a local print shop and I just
created a relationship withthese people and I liked the
vibe and everything was new,different every single day, new
faces, and I had full creativedesign of everything, vibe and I
.
You know, everything was new,different every single day, new
faces, and I was a full creativedesign of everything.
People come in with nothing andI would create a brand, I would

(23:31):
create a look, a feel, Icreated companies and, uh, so
about six months in I had theopportunity to have my own store
and the people I was workingwith they.
They said you know we'rethinking of franchising, are you
interested?
And dad had always said to medo not go down the franchise

(23:52):
road.
He said just don't do it.
And I did it Always do theopposite, always do the opposite
, and so I opened up my firstprint shop in Oshawa and it was
great.
My business partner was alittle bit older than me, didn't
really have a good idea of,didn't have a good business

(24:12):
sense.
He didn't.
He wasn't an entrepreneur youknow where's the money.
He didn't understand that youhad to build the business, build
the clientele.
And because I'd already beenworking from home doing design
work and freelance and that Ialready had a clientele base,
and because I'd already beenworking from home doing design
work and freelance and da da da,so I already had a clientele
base.
So about a year in the printshop's doing great, he thought,
you know, he needed to make more.
So he ended up buying me outand it was probably the best

(24:36):
thing he'd ever done for mebecause I wouldn't have been
able to get another franchise.
So he bought me out.
I couldn't work in the industryfor a year, for one year
contract bullshit, non-compete.
Yeah, yeah and um.
So I took a year off andI fished more.
I got to know a couple guys inthe fishing industry.
They started asking me for thisand that.

(24:57):
So I was working from home as aprint broker basically, and I
would feed.
The only way I could stay inthat industry was I'd have to
feed that print shop work.
So I fed that print shop work.
He couldn't keep up with it.
He shut it down.
Six months later six months ina day I walked back in, talked
to the landlord.
I said all the equipment.
I know he owes you money.

(25:18):
Here's the money he owes you.
All the equipment, everythingthat's in this building is now
mine.
He said cool, get it out ofhere tomorrow.
And I said well, can we sign asix month contract?
He said I've already got a newperson coming in.
So I took all this equipment,threw it into my house and I was
operating from my house for abit.
The original store that I wasworking part time in they had

(25:40):
just had two or three kids theywere their family was growing.
They couldn't keep up with thebusiness.
I was outgrowing my basement,you know business and I needed a
shop.
So I was shopping, I wasfeeding them work because I
couldn't keep up with it and hesaid you know what?
Do you think about taking overthe store?
Why don't you buy my store?
Let me look at your numbers.

(26:01):
We went back and forth andyou're gonna think at this point
point I was eight years in.
I'd known these people foreight years.
They were like family.
And I looked at the numbers.
Everything jived and I saidcool, we came up with a price
and I took over.
They were supposed to be therefor three months.
I had eight employees, I hadmultiple machines, computers and

(26:24):
rooms.
It I had eight employees, I hadmultiple machines, I had
computers and rooms.
It was a big production.
Overhead was massive.
It was a big facility.
They disappeared after 30 days.
They took my money and ran, butI didn't pay them the full.
So they showed up at the 60-daymark looking for payment and I
handed them a piece of paperthat said that he owed me money

(26:45):
and I said if you don't pay,I'll see you in court.
I never saw them again.
That was it.
They took me for a lot of money.
Lesson learned do your deepranging?
They were driving around in an$80,000 car that belonged to the
company.
They had a portion of theirhouse that belonged to the
company.
There were so many things thatwent wrong and these people, I

(27:08):
found out two years later, werethe biggest scam artists in the
country and there was a bigthing written up about them.
They came out of uh, I think itwas hall um huge scam artists.
They were, you know, claimed tobe bible thumping church goers.
Oh, big fraud, like it was redflag after how I didn't see it.

(27:28):
Something like $1.2 million.
They had scammed from myselfand other people 10 other people
over a period of time and courtcases.
Anyway, long story short, Imanaged to get what I can from
that business.
I had repo guys showing up andwhat was listed as an asset was

(27:52):
no longer an asset and I had a$200,000 machine that I relied
on because that's what fed mybusiness those envelopes that
you get from the bank with yourname on it and it's an insert.
I put a piece of paper in itand an envelope at one end and
it would come out printed,labeled and ready for mail at
the other end.
So I relied on the banks and Irelied on the CN Tower and the

(28:13):
Sky Dome at the time, or theRogers Center.
We used to do all theirtraining manual.
We did big jobs for bigcompanies and and they took all
that away from me because of allthe shady nonsense.
So there was a rebuildingprocess after nine years eight,
nine, ten years and I thoughtyou know what I'm going?
To keep it simple, I gaveeverybody a bonus.
I said sorry, guys, I got tolet you go and I left the

(28:37):
business with my head down and Iwas defeated.
You know what I mean Like as anentrepreneur.
You don't want to.
I was defeated.
You know what I mean Like as anentrepreneur.
You don't want to.
I was defeated.
It was days away frombankruptcy.
It was like it was a dark, darktime in my life and I was young
you know, and I used let's faceit, family helped me out.
I was going out of universityand college.
Family helped me out.
I used family money and I'd letthem all down, and you know,

(29:00):
over over a 10 year period.
How did I let this happen?
You know, over a 10-year period, how did I let this happen?
And just one day, light bulbwent off and it was like reach
out to those that actually care.
Reached out to a handful ofpeople.
All of a sudden, cn Tower cameback, rogers Centre came back.
At the time there was a placecalled Keyscan that do the
passes for, like the doorsKeyscan, yeah, yeah.

(29:23):
So Keyscan Canada.
We used to do all their English, french and Spanish manuals.
So those were my cash cows.
I call them.
That was what.
It didn't matter what was goingon in the world.
Those four or five companieswould keep me afloat and thank
God you're back and let's getthe ball rolling.
And so they sort of got me backup and running, made some
contacts and kept it simple,hired one other person and the

(29:47):
woman that used to work for megot pregnant.
So she was working from homedoing sales and it just it all
worked beautifully.
Home office kept it simple.
A couple pieces of equipmentfor some, like you know, last
minute, on demand type of stuff.
And that was it.
That's how BRT printing wasborn.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I got to tell you something, man.
So just listening to the storyand I can't even preach this
enough, because I'm anentrepreneur and you've had,
you've had films right.
I'm an entrepreneur and you'vehad, you've had films right this
Moose's story is so similar butyet different from having a
franchise myself.
Like I said, my family was inthe pizza business, I was, I was

(30:27):
into the franchise, I lost,went on my own, I lost, I was
down living at my in-laws house.
I'm not here to paint a sadstory for everybody, because it
ends up being beautiful in theend, but I can't preach this
enough.
If you don't lose each, if youdon't learn how to lose period,
you'll never win Right.

(30:48):
And I think I think the thingabout what shows you the kind of
character that Moose has andI'll bring myself into this and
you and Hookset and Top Dog,because we're all you know,
we're all entrepreneur, we'reall in business.
You just got to believe inyourself, what you're capable of
doing, I guess, and trust inyourself.
You get the shit kicked out ofyou.

(31:09):
You get up and dude the story.
Your story is so insane that itgoes beyond fishing.
It goes beyond fishing.
It goes beyond fishing.
It goes beyond what ourpassions are.
It's about family.
It's about what he said.
He cares about two things, andif you put it out there for his
wife, these are the two thingsthat I love to do.
Don't take it away from me.
If you stick to what you trulybelieve in and what you believe

(31:31):
in yourself.
Guys I mean, we're sitting in aroom right now having some
cigars.
I just had the best day of mylife of moose.
You know, I think it all.
It all ends up here.
Siege, your, your path is goingto end up somewhere, and I
think having moose here just tohear his story is incredible.
Brother, you are probably oneof the most interesting people
I've ever sat down and talkedwith, and the fact that that you

(31:54):
know you, you share the samepassion we do we're.
Maybe we're not as gifted onthe water as you are from the
sounds of it.
You know, Siege is a stick.
I'm going to say that you knowHooksett, and then Top Dog and
myself, we know our way aroundthe waters, but your story is
intriguing.
It's one of those things thatit's.
It's, you know people listeningright now.

(32:15):
It's so cliche, it's cliche,you never give up.
I guess you hear that all thetime I gotta get you to make me.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
They're building blocks, that's all it is.
Yeah, anytime, and it's thesame thing what we were talking
about earlier.
Yeah, you know, you're learningfrom your, your experiences on
the water, you're learning fromyour experiences in life and
everyone, and you see it all thetime and people say it all the
time, but but it's actually whenyou implement it, when you
actually do it.
Yeah, you know, I'll do thesame thing, they say.
If you do the same thing, youget the same result time and

(32:44):
time and time and time again.
You're a bit of a psychopath.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But if you know in your heartof hearts that that one time
everything is going to change,yeah, that's it, it's over.
You're.
These are all the learningcurves.
Yeah, I have to fail in orderto succeed.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
100 I'll give you a cliche.
Uh, a lot of my friends.
They hate getting skunked onthe water.
They're pissed everyone does.
I always treat it as a learningexperience, because I go home
pissed off and I'm like I shouldhave done this.
I oh, I didn't even think aboutdoing that.
And then I go back to that lakeand I'm trying different
techniques and I know obviouslygetting skunked on the water is

(33:24):
not as impactful as whathappened to you in tone.
I've took my L's in life and itjust makes you more grateful
when those days come and we alldo it when we're younger.
I think everybody takes thelosses in different ways.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Yeah, it's just what you get out of it.
A lot of the times it could bepeople telling you something
that triggers a thought.
Yeah, last night I said tokeith how's your season going so
far?
I was like dude, I'm having ahorrible season.
Awful season.
I've I've done well in oneevent.
Every other event where Ithought I was going to do well,
or I was pumped about it, or Ijust haven't, I haven't

(34:01):
performed, I haven't done what Iwas supposed my jaw, I failed
at my job, I sucked at fishingthis season, right, and this is
my biggest season to date,because there's more eyes, yeah,
there's more pressure, yeah,there's more happening.
So like and I'm not doinganything different than I did
last year you just need to slowit down.
Yeah, slow it down and and takenote of what you're doing and

(34:25):
don't do it again, right, okay?
So give me an example.
And he broke it down.
And I've never I've pre-fishedwith cooper before, when you
know we're fishing the Canada,us walleye or a clubby or just
fun fishing.
And he says if you go out andyou pre-fish and you catch
nothing, and you go to atournament and you catch 20

(34:47):
pounds.
What was the difference?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
right, if you figure that out, you'll be successful
on the water every single timeyou go up yeah, I've seen so
many times when he did reallywell and his pre-fishing was
terrible, and he's just likewhat the hell, I'm not gonna,
I'm not gonna do well?
And the next thing, you know,bam, bam, bam and it's, it's
crazy.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
I say with a classic yeah, I thought he had 14 pounds
, every time 19 and change, 19and change.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
We went insane and I think there's a theme with this
podcast and I think it has a lotto do with, like, I mean, with
the word passion and we keeptalking about passion.
But you know, I see the passionin you, moose, and I think
that's why people always kind ofremember you.
They see the passion, right.
You kind of stand out and guyslike Cooper, like I know.

(35:32):
A friend of mine, a co-worker,put me on him years ago.
His name's Peter Cito, I don'tknow if you're familiar.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:38):
I know, peter Cito, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
So he put me on.
He said there's this upcomerkid that he's in Canada and he's
going to be at Fish with them.
His name's Cooper Collant andI'm checking out his stuff and
he's doing on this kid and whatI see about him is this the
passion, too, is like when he'sdone doing these tournaments,

(36:00):
he's filming with you guys andhe's going around, he's not
stopping fishing, like I meanyou would think after all this
tournament run that you justchill, but then he's chasing
musky and he's chasing sturgeon.
So it's just, you see thepassion and a lot of people

(36:29):
always say to me like it takesmore if you have the talent.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
But I think you can have the talent, but if you
don't have the passion, youdon't Like.
I mean, you could be less andknow how to cook and play
specific sports and they're just, they're good at what they do,
but they're just like man.
Now I want to do something, nowI want to, yeah, yeah, and it's
just like you're wasting thattalent.
Dude, you gotta, you gotta putmore effort into it.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
It just comes naturally I think dough is a big
thing of it too, siege, because, let's be honest, we've been
now this is, we've been doingthis podcast for over a year and
I could see how, you know,money is always it's.
You're driven by money, right?
Everyone goes up it puts onyour shoes.
Every day you're going to go towork.
I still do it because I lovecooking.

(37:10):
Every single day I'm on thismicrophone because it's my.
I absolutely love doing thispodcast, this microphone because
it's my.
I absolutely love doing thispodcast.
But, you know, sometimes I couldI see how people can go out
there and put everything.
They got moose, like, hey, like, think of yourself.
You put everything, you put 150in everything you do, but then
you're not rewarded by thedollar bill and and then that, I
think, siege brings you downright.

(37:33):
It could, like you know, let'ssay, fishing, it's not really
this.
You know sport that you knowproduces huge, huge amount of
dollars.
It's not the nba, you knowyou're not in canada, not in
canada, but you just make somegood, you make a good living.
You win a few tournaments hereand there.
Yeah, um, not in canada not incanada.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
No, no, I hate to say it.
I hate to say it, but like, ifyou're, if you're in it for the
money, yeah, you need to be 100devoted to it.
You need to be a cooper andwant, you need to be the
johnsons you need to be, youneed to be invested.
100, that is your.
You eat, sleep, breathe, wakelike that.

(38:12):
That's it.
All you're doing is that if yougo into this with the intent of
making money and you'redisappointed and you never do it
again, you weren't really intoit, right?
You can't go into it thinkingyou know it's about the money,
it's not about the money.
Money comes and goes, man, andI've said it time and time and
time again money comes and moneygoes.

(38:34):
Everything in between liveswith you.
Forever, right, forever, itreally does.
Yeah, right, if I did anything,because I was chasing the
almighty dollar, no, yeah, I didit because I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I do it because I like it, and then the money
comes, you know.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
And if the money comes, great.
If not, I'll figure out a wayto get them.
Yeah, I I'm not on this planet.
I'm not here to work to makemoney to live.
I'm here to enjoy myself.
And if money happens to comealong and people say, oh, you
say that because you come frommoney or you got money,
absolutely not right.
I'm the average joe.
I'm just like everybody else.
At times I'm working paycheckto paycheck.
Yeah, may have savings, may not, it may not.

(39:15):
Do not worry about the money.
The money will come Right.
If you put the money on theback burner and everybody thinks
I'm crazy if you put money onthe back burner, it will somehow
.
Someway, someone will provideit.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's so crazy.
Yeah, that's well said.
And back to, like, I mean, theCanadian anglers, like you said,
the Canadian scene for fishing.
You can't really make a livingfor the tournament.
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
And then there was all thosenaysayers that said when, like,
the Canadian sticks crossed over, they're like, okay, they'll do

(39:47):
good on the northern swing ofthe tournament with the northern
legs.
Proved them all wrong.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
How exciting was that to watch?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
How exciting was that to watch?
They're like this is theNorthern Swing.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
They'll win those, but wait till.
It's, like you know, in Floridaor whatever, in all these
different areas, that they'renot going to.
They're not going to catch andit's hold my beer.
I mean it's so cool and it'syeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3 (42:40):
Well, we've taken a lot of time out of Moose's day.
He's been with me all day,siege.
We got to get a question of theday and I know you talked about
this question.
You said we're going to waittill Moose is in studio with us
because I believe it is fishing.
It's a fishing question fromone of our listeners and you
know, whenever it's food related, you know I'm in there.

(43:01):
I'm answering the question,usually when it's a fishing
question.
I do have my input, but I alwayshand it over to you.
But what do you say?
We put moose on the spot hereand get a question.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, this is organic .
We have been planted the seed,so this is comes from anthony
grades in peterborough, ontario.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
good day good place, johnson brothers yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
So he says help, maybe this is from the johnson,
you never know.
Yeah, covered up.
So he says hello, eating wildpodcast crew.
I love your podcast, especiallythe fishing banter.
So he likes the chirps, lovesit, everyone loves the chirps.
Oh boy.
Yeah, my fishing buddies and Ihave a debate and would love to
take, would like to hear yourinput.

(43:46):
What is your take on baitscents?
Do they actually work or is itmarketing hype?
So I think he's getting intolike the sprays and all that
stuff, salts and the brines andsalts and the brines and salts
and the brines, and I guess wecould like I mean, I was a
naysayer on it before and then Isaw it worked firsthand.
What is your, my take?

Speaker 3 (44:07):
before Moose steps in here.
Here's the thing.
I would say this again I'vefished with a lot of different
people.
I grew up fishing in the rivers.
You know a lot of people wouldsay you got to use fresh roe.
Now people are using beads withscent Guys trolling on Lake
Ontario.
They would prefer to use, youknow, real meat.
Some people are brining theirmeat.

(44:29):
I would say personally Siege,the only thing, the only
evidence I have, and I'm goingto go back to lake st claire
with you, musky fishing.
The day that I missed your,your 50 plus, was the worst day
of my life, but you made up forit.
So that's another podcast.
I missed hooking, I missednetting that 50.
Even we had cousin glenn in theboat.

(44:51):
Anyways, that day you, I hadthe white perch on yeah, the
zombie perch.
It's called the zombie perch andyou handed me over this stick
that looked like it was lipgloss and you said smash, I'm
going to put a little bit ofblood on that perch.
And you took it, you put thescent on, you put it right

(45:11):
underneath my white shirt.
I'll never forget it.
Two casts in, I got a 48.
Yeah, I got a 48.
Yeah, I got a 48.
And and to me it was like thecoincidence, or did she just
give me the lip gloss that mademe perform here?
I don't know.
So I'm gonna say my greatquestion was it a placebo?
I'm gonna say that, uh, with mythe evidence that I have, yeah,
I think I think okay, so Ithink you gotta go with smash.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Smash says uh yeah, you got the check mark.
What do you?
What about you moose?
What do you say?

Speaker 7 (45:37):
oh boy, so I'm on both ends of the spectrum, yeah,
okay, uh, I've talked to a lotof very smart people about this
and some would say it makes ahuge difference and some would
say it doesn't right.
Some would say it depends onthe species and some would say
it doesn't matter the species.
I would say it depends on thebody of water, whether it's salt

(45:58):
water or fresh right salt water, 100 right I agree that makes a
difference.
Agreed, fresh water.
On the other hand, there's thealmighty debate does it work?
Garlic, does garlic work?
Yeah, clove, does clove work?
Uh, what is it that?
Licorice, yeah, yeah, blacklicorice, yeah, work.

(46:18):
Salt you know salts?
I think it all depends on howthe bait is presented, where it
is in the water column and forhow long.
Yeah, if I have scent on mybait, or if it's soaking or in a
brine or whatever and it'smoving through the water column,
is it dissipating?
Is it?
Is it dissolving quick enoughto be in that water column for

(46:42):
long enough for that fish tonotice it?
So many different factors.
But if you go to science andagain, you'd see it from bait
fuel, queens university, I satin the boat with the guy that
created, you know, bait fuel.
That came up with the formula,had me convinced.
It's phenomenal, it's amazing.
I didn't believe after heexplained it to me.

(47:04):
Scientifically, science doesnot lie right, it works.
I'm trying myself.
So me and three kids, me andthe two kids side by each at the
dock let's try this bait fuel.
You cast, you cast, you cast.
We're all using the same bait,same place, same everything.
One bait is more productivethan the other.
Okay, let's change it up.
One bait is more productivethan the other.

(47:25):
Let's change it up.
So, time and time and time andtime again, after 100, some odd
casts bait fuel, in my opinion,works very well.
Okay, very well.
The oils that we have on ourhands.
Some guys would laugh at youand be like, oh, after smoking a
cigar, don't touch your smokinga cigarette or you're filling
the boat with gas or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, does it make a difference?

Speaker 7 (47:47):
in my head it, does Right, and Cooper laughed at me.
We had this conversation.
It's crazy how much we'vetalked to him.
Last night and I said to himI'm like him, like dude, there's
just something.
I'm at the point now where I'mwashing my hands with bait fuel,
I'm spraying my baits withgarlic.
I'm not touching them and I'mcatching more fish.
But if I do touch a bait, like Ihave to go back to the bait

(48:08):
fuel and he says it's all inyour head.
He says the scents work.
Yeah for sure, he says, but youtouching a bait is not going to
make a big difference.
Yeah, so you've got the prosand these guys that are seasoned
anglers you know he's youngerthan me, but he's very well
versed and who's telling you itdoesn't make a difference?
Then you got the guys that arescience and educated, and this,

(48:30):
that and the other thing.
Or tell you that it doesn'tmake a difference.
Right, in my opinion it makes ahuge difference.
If I'm drop shotting a bait andI haven't sprayed it with a
garlic scent, or if I don't havebait fuel on it or that bait
stick, that bait fuel makes Inotice a difference.
If I'm casting out to a fishand that fish darts over on my
life scope and looks at it andturns did I like?

(48:54):
Did I?
I'm going to spray it.
So I bring it up, I on my spray, that same fish will dart over
on my live scope and smash itright.
Okay, maybe it was a fluke.
Try it again.
Okay, maybe it was a fluke.
Try it again.
Every single time I've sprayedmy bait with garlic or put beet
fuel on it.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I've noticed a difference okay that's huge man,
that's that's, that's that's.
I mean.
There's science, there'sthere's feel, there's it's in
your head.
There's so much to think about,yeah for my personal experience
that bait is soaking, it's notdragging it's not

Speaker 7 (49:26):
moving, it's soaking.
Now berkeley has a bait thatyou know you could fill the body
with, yeah, and as it moves itreleases yeah.
Is it gimmicky?
Probably Possibly.
I was thinking of doing a baityears ago, calling it gourmet
baits and scenting it with.
We used to fish with chickenfat for Lakers in BC, scenting
it with like a chicken scent, agarlic scent, a saffron, a this

(49:47):
or that, you know.
Just because we, as the anglers, we are the ones that are
buying these baits.
So gourmet baits scents.
I'm gearing it towards theperson buying it, not the fish,
right, but what actually andtruly does work is things that
sit in place.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
In my opinion, if they're moving, you don't need
the scent that's what I wasgoing to say in my personal uh
with with sense before I thoughtit was I.
I took marketing as well.
I know there's a lot ofmarketing in it but uh, with
reaction baits like you you knowyour jerk bait, spinners,
cranks I don't think there'sreally a big need because
they're just reacting, whereasthe finesse like you were
talking about.

(50:24):
I'll give you a prime example.
I was in a Parry Sound area twoweeks ago and it was a hot time
of the day, you know.
The fish died down on reactionbaits and I was doing the more
finesse and I was using shoutout to Berkeley.
But I was using their flatwormwith a max scent and they have a

(50:45):
little craw as well and I waspaying three or four of them and
all of a sudden the craw, theCanadian, the little trooper on
a nethead shout out to them.
On that I didn't want to talkabout.

Speaker 7 (50:59):
On the podcast because that's my secret weapon.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
But you got it, we're not talking brand new.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
You should see xo's new one.
Oh, I'm a big fan of them aswell.
So cooper actually developed anew little split tail and oh,
really tail as well.
Like there's something to besaid about small and this yeah
we can go forever.
Let me ask you guys a questionyeah, profile or color, what's
more important?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
you want me to answer first each.
Yeah, I gotta go color and andthe reason why I'm going color
is because, okay, first of all,everyone knows smash as a
fisherman I am not a technicalfisherman, siege, you know this,
hookset knows this.
You're the food guy and youshow up for a good time.
Listen, I fish, I'm a stick.
I know what you're talkingabout.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
I pop you do it's because of the food background.
That's why you say that that'swhat it is.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
This is what it is.
I've owned the muskie trophythree years in a row.
I was already interviewingMoose.
Moose asked me a question.
Sage, you want me to answer it.
It's a problem.
I feel like I'm sitting next toLou here.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I got to get in on that.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Well, the chirps are good, but I'm pissed off now,
okay.
So here's the thing.
Here's the thing Again.
I am not like you and Lou andeven Dan Dan is like you when,
and and lou and and even dan danis a very technical fisherman.
I'm just bringing in the forestkids here, okay, the guys that
we grew up fishing with, um, youknow, together, and I would say
I had more and I'm gonna goback to lake st clair because we

(52:27):
fished that.
You know, it's been about 15years straight and when I I'm
you know this siege about me thecolors, if I hook into one fish
and shout out to waterwolflouis, mike, um, shadzillas.
If I got the pink panther and Iput it on and I'm casting the
pink panther and I hook one fish, I have a problem changing, and

(52:50):
it's not about if that you didsurgery on one of my shadzillas
because, you brought it out, thehot knives, and it's only
because of that color whathappened.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Moose, I love it.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I ended up buying four more of the same color.
Now my tackle box looks likethe rainbow and I have a problem
with sticking to colors.
You know this about me.
And it's like if I'm going tofish a Zara Spook, I got to use
baby bass.
Why?
Because that's what I've.
It's like if I'm gonna fish azara spook, I gotta use baby
bass.
Why?
Because that's what I've.
It's been productive for me.
If I'm fishing musky.

(53:21):
If I'm fishing uh, bulldogs,it's orange and black.
If I'm fishing like, I havethese colors that are in my mind
because it's a confidence it'sa confidence bait moose.
I don't know what else to say.
Like.
Like to answer your questionfor me.
I'll let you you go next, butit's got to be color.
Just to answer the questionquickly, it's color for me.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
So the question was so this is a great question from
this guy.
Anyways, in Peterborough,what's his name?
Again, sorry, anthony Graves.
Look, we've gone off on this.
This is fantastic.
So, moose, your question was ifit was the profile, profile or
the color, or profile.
I used not to say one is betterthan the other, but what do you

(54:01):
?
What do you lean more towards,profile or color?
See, I used to be all aboutcolor, but I am.
I am leaning more now towardsthe profile and saying that uh,
back to using those littleberkeley, uh, crawdads, and when
I caught four or five bass andall of a sudden they would die
off and then I put a new one on,back to the sense.
All of a sudden they starteddie off and then I put a new one
on.
Back to the sense.
All of a sudden they startedhammering again.
I compare it to like a dog thatalways sniff something before it

(54:22):
eats.
So that's why I was.
But I I'm all about profile andI always used to be a big
profile guy.
The bigger the better.
I'm learning my personalexperience.
Moose, you can touch on this's.
You got to get back to theroots and go smaller.
I think I don't know, what doyou?
What do you think it's a goodquestion, this is great tough
question.

Speaker 7 (54:42):
So, working with, working with guys like jp
multiple boat shows, he put itvery.
He put it so simply like his atthe boat show.
He used to do this seminar.
He's changed it up a bit buthe'd do this seminar about the
profiles and the bits If we weresitting here.
We just finished eating aridiculous meal, yeah, and we

(55:05):
come back here and we'rechatting, we're having a couple
of drinks and some smokes.
If somebody puts on somepeanuts, you grab one or two.
Yeah, it's just some chocolates.
You can grab one or two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it somechocolates.
You can grab one or two.
It's almost like a snack forthese fish.
So it's not necessarily a bigprofile bait.
They're not going to eat it,they're just not hungry.
But if you present them withsomething small that might annoy

(55:26):
them, you can get a reactionbite.
Or you can get a bite justbecause, hey, I'm just going to
eat it because it's there andthe way he put it was, I was
like, yeah, it sense to me thatsounds.
I have such a hard timethrowing anything over three and
a half inches.
Wow, anything.
And for multiple species, andnot to say that, how many times

(55:47):
have you caught a musky bassfish All the time, all the time.
You're not going to go muskyfishing with a three and a half
inch split tail or paddle tail,but think about all those times
where you've caught a giant fishon a tiny bait.
It's just a snack for them,that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
That's a good term, because, think about it, tony,
like he said, if I walk by hereand I see a bowl of chips, even
though I just went to the kegger, I went to the kegger.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
I went to the kegger.
I just had a kegger classic andI.
I like it.
It's going to take a bite.
I like it.
Here's another one for youquickly?
Okay, Listen, we could do thisall night.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
This will be a two-parter.
This will be a two-parter forsure.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
What do you got Eyes or no eyes?
Oh, on the bait.
Yeah, as a human being, what'sthe first thing you do?
When you walk by someone?
You look in their eyes.
Or when you walk by someone,you look in their eyes, or or
like eye contact is huge.
So, and I don't know if thishas ever been studied or proven,

(56:51):
but to me, like I carry thegoogly eyes from the dollar
store and I glue them onto mybaits, no way I have a thing
with eyes, like my baits have tohave eyes.
If my bait locks eyes withanother bait or another, like
their eyes are, I don't knowwhat it is, but, as as me, being
a human being, if I lock eyeswith you, we're creating some

(57:12):
sort of a connection.
Either I'm gonna eat you, kissyou or push for you.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I love it.
Punch me in the face yeah, whateyes.
This is crazy because we're.
We say this all the time.
We learn every.
I'm learning a shitload rightnow, but I've never even thought
of that.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
No, and we're hearing more from our listeners.
Like people, some people aresaying go big, go big, go big
and you get bigger fish.
But it's been proven for us.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Well, yeah, I got to mean I got a muskie on a net rig
on sturgeon with Taro a monthmonth ago.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
My home waters are the niagara river.
My parents lived when.
Did it change?
What's that?
Or is it changing, or are wethe ones changing?
I think we are the oneschanging.
Like we used to go big, therods had their pool sticks, not
even just for musky, for bass,yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
And now foreign swim bait for a huge profile.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, how everything's micro and micro,
and then the rods are actuallyparabolic and you're actually
not losing fish on crankbaitsanymore because we're not
ripping the trebles out of theirmouths with these medium
heavies we use.
So is it that?

Speaker 7 (58:13):
the fish are adapting or they're.
They've seen all the bigprofiles and they don't want the
big profiles anymore.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
But have you heard of moose?
Have you heard anybody?
And I'm just going to bring upbodies of water, different
waters, and I'm talking ontariohere.
Have you ever heard of anybodycatching a monster musky on
georgian bay with a small lure?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
because I haven't well, what do you mean?
What do you that the biggestrecord came out of georgian bay
with the guy uh, walleye fishing.
Yeah, really, yeah, yeah it'sdead, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Oh, that was uh.
Uh, it was Dog's.
What's his name?
Portuguese guy.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
No, no, no, this is old school.
Frank talked about it on theugly pike.
The guy was walleye fishing,and get this.
It was during a big muskytournament that was going on on
Georgian Bay and there happenedto be a walleye guy in a little
tenor wearing a yellow rainjacket, popped.
I don't know.
I'll say the the.

(59:08):
The dimension is wrong on this.
I don't want to butcher it butit was a big.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
It's like the record.
Well so.
So bodies of water, obviouslydon't you know.
It's proven.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Smaller baits will always work I think the big
baits will too, I think.
But I think moose has reallyopened my mind here and he has
when he did that.
I like how you did that analogywith food, because, as a human,
I sold that from JP.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
Thanks buddy, oh, thanks JP.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Go to tactical videos .
But no, that's a great pointand I think we get caught up in
a lot of it.
The bigger the better, and Idon't know, man, I am really
going to look at my tackle boxwhen I get home a little bit.
There's so many different.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
And we can sit there and break it down.
There's so many differenttechniques that will all catch
fish.
Water temperature makes a hugedifference.
Water clarity makes a hugedifference.
Time of year makes a bigdifference.
There's a bay on Stony, so I'vegot a cottage up on stony.

(01:00:11):
There's a bay on stony that Icould fish every single month,
catch nothing other than june.
In june I will catch five afterfive.
I took four kids out, I tookfour kids out and they all got
their personal best on the sameday.
It was absolutely amazing.
That's awesome, you think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I'm a god.
I look amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
We all caught five pounders and I know to go there
in June because June, for somereason, water temperature
clarity I don't know if it'swhatever is in the water that's
clearing it up between May andJune.
And there's just somethingabout that time of year and that
bay and that water temp, right,and if you think about this

(01:00:51):
summer compared to last summer,I went back to that bay same
time June.
Second week in June watertemperature was a little bit
higher, the fish were a littlebit harder to catch.
It all depends on what you'rethrowing, how you're throwing it
and basically water temperature.

(01:01:15):
Really Water temperature playsa huge role.
You could throw a big bait andthis is proven, this is known,
you know, if there's tons ofvideos out there, something
along the lines of there's acold front, you and the water
pressure, you're slower, you'redeeper, you're higher, you're
faster.
All of that makes a difference.
But if it's a small profile orbig profile doesn't make a huge

(01:01:38):
difference when the conditionsare perfect, right.
But if you want to catchnumbers, the smaller you go, the
more productive you'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
And it's true, because even the smaller baits,
sometimes I get frustrated withthe smaller baits and and this
is being selfish is you gotta,you gotta, sort through the two
pounders, because the two, twopounds and then you'll get the
big ones.
But, like I mean, a lot oftimes when I throw the larger
bait I do get confidence.
I'm be like, okay, the twopounders going to exist on us,

(01:02:05):
but then they prove me wrong andI catch them.
But yeah, especially for kids,you put those little micros.

Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
How many kids have you taken out?
Fishing and all of a suddenthey're like they're catching
giants, not paying attention.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
No, my daughters all the time.
My daughter snapped her Barbierob three weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
Right off my dock.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
It was the craziest story.
I'm with my kid and my daughter.
You know she brought her friendto the cottage we're on scoogog
and they said, daddy, me and myfriend want to go fishing.
I said, okay, we're going offthe dock and they're casting out
crappy stuff with a bobber.
They got their little Barbierods.
That's the magic word.
Next thing, you know, this ishow I got the scar on my knee.

(01:02:54):
By the way, folks, okay, I wentto the Bahamas with a four-inch
scar from my kneecap fromsmashing it on my dock because
my daughter's friend's fishingrod was bent over.
And I'm looking over.
I'm like you got somethingthere.
She's like it's really heavy.
And I'm looking at the lines'mlike you got something there.
She's like it's really heavyand I'm looking at the lines.
Each it's just ripping and thesprod almost ripped out of her
head and I see the red tail.
Red tail comes right out and Ijumped from one side of the dock

(01:03:18):
to the other and I got thesepull anchors on my dock and I
tried to jump over it and I slitmy kneecap about four inches,
bleeding everywhere.
My wife comes running out.
Oh my God, there's bloodeverywhere and I'm trying to
grab the rod off of this poorgirl.
The fish comes right underneaththe dock, snaps the rod, snaps
the line off and there's bloodeverywhere.

(01:03:40):
My adrenaline is just popping.
I wish you had a GoPro.
Oh my God.
And she looks at me.
She's like that fish was bigI'm like yeah I've never that
was a musky.
Yeah, yeah it was a musky andI'm losing it.
There's blood everywhere and,uh, you guys are big musky guys.
I love musky fishing we, we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, I've always been a bass guy and then when I
got mixed into this group, theygot me into, you know, the, the
pike and musky, and then then,at the same time, I got them
into bass.
So it's just a good blend.
You know, I got you guys in thecrappy and crappy, crappy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I got these guys in the spring.
We got, we got multiple trips.
Now, moose, we got a crappytrip.
We got a belt yeah, we got abelt that we all.
We have a tournament everyspring.
Um, you know the bass fishingwith cj?
Uh, we fish french river a lot.
We fished the French river Bayof eights Like we we've, we've
done it all, but I, I would saywe've all changed our tune in

(01:04:34):
the past three years.
Because of this podcast.
Because of the podcast, we'refishing with more people like
moose and Taro, and, and, andwe've been mixed up with some of
the greatest, like social mediafishermen guides.
You know, kyle Moxon, simonBerf, like Andrew Walker, just
posted a picture with thismonster monster wearing our hat,

(01:04:57):
which was pretty cool.
Yeah, and you know, we'restarting to turn into
multi-species fishermen and I'menjoying fishing much more.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
And nothing against.
There's nothing better thanmulti-species that we're.
I'm enjoying fishing much moreand and and nothing against.
There's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
There's nothing better than multi-species.
That's what I wanted to ask youfor suckers or whatever
anything that would.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
The tug is the drug.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I said that back in the day and it's stuck
and that's what I wanted to askyou is I'm seeing, because back
in the day you're very similarto um, I believe that ages as us
, and with a young family,Either you were a musky guy, a
pike guy or a bass guy or awalleye.
There was no like you had theodd people that were

(01:05:36):
multi-species, but I almost wantto say there was hate out there
.
Like the bass guys would belike oh stinking, you know musky
or snot rocket and I get it.
I've lost expensive jerkbaitsto pipe using.
But but I'm seeing more of atrend now.
You could correct me if I'mwrong, but I'm seeing on like
socials and all that there's notjust a one dimension fisherman

(01:05:58):
anymore, like there's a big,like respect for all species.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
The younger.
The younger the angler, themore I mean.
Let's face it, we all startedon a river or on a pond.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Pond yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
Whether you're steelhead, rainbow salmon,
whatever that type.
A lot of guys started on therivers and whatever you were
catching in the rivers, that'swhat you fell in love with.
Then you sort of transitioninto this world of bass, because
that season is just they'replentiful and they're not easy
to catch, but they're catchable,yeah.
And then there's the perch, andthen so it just depends on how

(01:06:32):
much you you, how much time youput into a species.
Right, a lot of the old boyswho just love walleye and live
for walleye and walleye is allthey know how to fish for it.
Yeah, that's what they're allabout and I've been on boats
with those guys are like oh shit, you're you're fishing for bass

(01:06:52):
like I would fish for walleyeright like yeah, sometimes I
go walleye fishing to catch bass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it just for me.
Being a multi-species fisherman, I was introduced to the sport
at a young age.
I was, I fished for it all.
Yeah, I could throw on thislure and catch this fish.
I can throw on this lure andcatch this fish.
I could throw on this lure andcatch this fish.
Or I could throw on this lureand catch all fish.
I want to catch all fish, andthat was it.

(01:07:12):
Muskie is something new to me.
It wasn't until the road trip,the first road trip.
I wasn't a big muskie guy.
I didn't have muskie gear.
I wasn't a big muskie.
I was always a multi-speciesfisherman.
But I didn't go to targetmuskie Right, found it difficult
, I didn't know anything aboutit.

(01:07:32):
Greg Attard, cooper and Colin,they sort of like planted the
muskie bug, yeah, and then youknow, my partner in crime,
shannon, loves muskie fishing.
She loves, oh, really Loves,musky fishing.
She loves, oh, really, really,that's so cool loves it.
Sean, uh, sean quinn, thecanadian rod father, there he's,

(01:07:53):
he's, he's a musky freak.
Right, buys and sells baits.
And this guy, the other thingis he's got to have this musky
freak, uh, my buddy gallo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
But we went on a we went on a blue collar, blue
collar, yeah, yeah you haven'thad a chance to go fishing with
that guy, yeah yeah whether itwas walleye or salmon.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
yeah, dude, that guy's a gem, yeah, a gem.
Him and andy are are on adifferent level, right, but
anyway, long story short, they,they, they've.
I've just found a new love formusky fishing, yeah, and it's
hard to walk away from itbecause I know now I get the
musky bug.
Yeah, but I'll always be amulti-species fisherman.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
The worst part about multi-species fishermen is
having the rods on the boat.
You know you'll be on a muskyspot and you'll be like, oh,
look at that bay over there forlarges.
Yeah, you know, sometimes Iwish we were just pike anglers
and we were just Back in the day, that's what we did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
We always brought them, we always had a musky rod
on the boat.
We had so much shit on the boat,I know, and it's like you know,
and Hook's at fishing with Dan.
I've shared a boat with him mywhole life.
Yeah, the boat's a mess, right,and it's only because you don't
know what we're gonna like.
What do we feel like today?

(01:09:10):
Oh, you just said it let's lookat those lily pads, get a frog.
Let's go and and I think that'sthe best part about it, though,
right, I really do liketargeting one species like we
used to do back in the day itruined us, yeah there was a day
where, if we went up to thefrench river and we didn't see
one musky, oh my god, it was theend of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Lou would have the tantrums and then we have a chef
like antonio.
We're fishing muskie all dayand I'm like let's get some
walters.
Yeah, you know, and he what hecan do with that it's the best
part, brother, the one questionI have for you, moose, is when
you're a multi-species fisherman.
Now are you going out on theboat and just being like, okay,
today I'm chasing this fish, orare you just being like on the

(01:09:48):
water and being like you knowwhat I'm going to go for?
Maybe this, this and this, yeah, or?

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
are you just….
If I'm fun fishing, I sort of….
A lot of the times I'm not veryselfish, right, a lot of the
times I'm taking people out.
Yeah, I want them to catch.
Yeah, I'm taking people out, Iwant them to catch.
Depending on your age,depending on your skill,
depending on what you want tosee, I can take you out to catch
fish.
Whether it's perch, crappie,bluegill, sunfish, it doesn't
matter If I hand you anultralight and we're catching

(01:10:17):
bluegill you know what I mean.
I chase fish as they come intoseason.
Ice out perch.
You cannot keep me off of lakesimcoe.
And and again, it was jp whogot me onto that.
I would never go and fish forperch, like ah, perch fishing,

(01:10:37):
that's for wussies, yeah.
And then all of a sudden I waslike whoa, this is ridiculously
fun, like it was fun with thekids on the dock, but now I'm
chasing giant birds, yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
I think it got you guys onto that bug seat.
Oh, he did.
I always chirped.
I always chirped panfish.
Like I don't get it, man, I doit with my daughters, you know.
And then he's like, listen,we're going to go up and we're
going to next thing, you know,we, next thing, you know, we go
up there.
I didn't take it seriously.
We ran a tournament and we hadso much fun and then, plus,
having Antonio as the chef, wewere making tacos.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Crappy tacos.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Next thing, you know I'm buying a St Croix panfish
edition 500 series ShimanoVanford and I'm into it, like
you said.
So you do a lot of fishing,whatever's kind of like the
bites on.

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
So, like perch, when ice is out, as soon as that
season opens, for as soon as Ican get out for pike, I'm on it.
Yeah, because I know it'sproductive, I know it's fun and
I love fishing for pike.
Ice out, perch, I'm out, I'mall over it.
Right, as the fish come intoseason, walleye, as they come

(01:11:47):
into season, it's always thebest where I find that I sort of
drop off like you won't catchme fishing for pike this weekend
, next weekend, it's not gonnahappen.
Yeah, because I know the bassfishing is phenomenal, right.
The walleye fishing is funmorning and evening.
As of last week, the salmonfishing is on fire.
Yeah, incredible, right, butyou talk to the salmon guys.
Salmon fishing has been on fireall season long.
I'm hearing when I live andwhen I can get to a boat launch

(01:12:07):
and where I can take my boat andthe time and salmon is
incredible, you know, 60 feet ofwater.
I'm in Bowmanville, oshawa,newcastle.
That's close, it's quick, it'seasy.
I get the quick bug I can have.
You know, I can watch someone'sreaction.
That's what I'm doing, yeah,yeah, last two weeks of august,
first week of september, all I'mdoing is salmon fishing for fun

(01:12:29):
.
Tournament fishing has justalways been vast, because
there's no walleye tournamentthere is, but there's not.
Yeah, I mean.
So it just, I follow theseasons and I follow the fish,
um, and I love them all equallyyeah, yeah, oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Man well, we gotta, we gotta wrap this up what do
you got to tell you we can doanother hour of this, but I got
to end the show.
We always end the show talkingrecipe of the day.
We're talking food.
We got Moose, who's amulti-species angler.
He knows his way around akitchen.
I got to ask you this.
I got to put you on the spot.
Recipe of the day.
Moose is taking his boys outfishing, but you guys are

(01:13:06):
targeting a shore lunch.
You're targeting a shore lunch,walters, crappie, whatever you
want.
I want to know what are youpacking?
What are you going to bloweveryone away with?
What species are you targeting?
What's your favorite fish toeat?
Freshwater, okay.
And what are you making for theguys?

(01:13:27):
We're coming on your boat andwe're expecting a shore lunch?
Putting you on the spot,brother, what are you making for
us?
What you're?

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
no pressure, I know right, you've had, you've had a
shore lunch before, you've had abreaded fish, you've had the
garlic and the, the parsley andthe lemon and the lemon.
You've had all that.
But I would go down the routeof and my mother is a genius
when it comes to thisMediterranean-style cuisine Very

(01:13:57):
herbal, very, you know, there'sa lot of herbs and spices and
fresh vegetables and it's sortof almost like on the cusp of
vegetarian.
Right, she makes this dish andit's very simple.
There's three spices and it'snot even a battered fish, it's a

(01:14:20):
flour fish, it's flour, okay,flour oil.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
So I would pack flour oil coriander parsley, garlic,
salt pepper, lemon butter,Coriander Love that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
That's one of my favorite spices, the main
ingredient in that sauce isvinegar, wow, vinegar, and sugar
and sugar.
Okay, I know where you're going, and so you pan fry the fish.
Uh, pan fry the fish, it's niceand crispy, and you just lay
this vinegary.

(01:14:57):
It's like a sweet, savory,salty, pickly, full of flavor
sauce.
It's just phenomenal.
I can't get enough of it.
I love it.
Have you made this dish for theboys before?
I've made it for a few people.
They like it.
It's an acquired taste.
Right as soon as you throw inlike coriander and parsley or

(01:15:19):
not parsley, sorry cumin,coriander and cilantro people
are like oh, soap, you know whatI mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, cumin, coriander and and
cilantro.
People are like oh, so you know, yeah, yeah, of course, either
you love it or you hate it youknow what I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
I've made it for a few people.
Uh, well, mom's made it for afew.
We bring the fish home, she'dmake it for us, uh, and they
love it.
But that I, I, I go down thatroute.
We've all had the breaded fish.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that,I love that.
But yeah, I would say perchwith a simple crunchy

(01:15:50):
panko-style beer batter,something like that.
They're just little meat sticksof just deliciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
We got to post this recipe.
We're going to actually get youto give us this recipe.
Dial it in.
We're going to post this on theFishing Canada website.
You're going to check it out.
You're going to hit the recipeunder the Eating Wild in.
We're going to post this on theFish and Canada website.
You're going to check it out.
You're going to hit the recipeunder the Eating Wild podcast.
We're going to get Moose'srecipe up.
You're going to have it withcinnamon rice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Oh, he's not stopping , it's got to soak up the juice.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
If you look up Mediterranean cuisine, any
seafood style dish, it's like aclove and cinnamon rice, right.
So you make rice thetraditional way, right?
Um, this might sound crazy tosomeone who's italian, but you
put that like angel hair typepasta.
You pan, fried in butter tillbrowns, so caramelizes the
sugars, right, becomes a littlesweet.
Then you throw your rice in.

(01:16:40):
You cook your rice traditionalway and then you close, you
throw in two cloves and cinnamon.
It becomes becomes like a brownrice.
Wow, that's what they eat witha lot of seafood dishes, whether
it's calamari or fish or shrimpor lobster.
Brown rice, clove and cinnamon.
Jesus Murphy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah, see, I'm a chef and I'm learning every day.
Yes, you are, I'm learningevery day.
Bro, can you imagine we pull upand do a shore lunch and we've
got this beautiful cinnamonbrown rice and this beautiful
Mediterranean dish over panfried perch?
People are going to think we'renuts.
I want to try that.
I want to try that.
I think the people listeningwant to try that.

(01:17:17):
So we've got to get that up onthe Fish and Canada website
after this episode.
This is part two, by the way,folks, because we've been taking
, we took a lot I've been taking.
Moose has been checked in forover eight hours with Smash
already.
Does it feel like you've knownMoose all your life?
I do, and the people listeningare going to be like, wow, this
guy's incredible story.
Brother, I wish you all theluck on this tournament coming

(01:17:39):
up Both tournaments, hugetournaments and I just want to
say thank you for taking thetime.
Tournaments and, um, I justwant to say thank you for taking
the time coming to our shop instudio hanging out with me for
the day feeding the army on genv and, uh, it was a pleasure
having you.
How can people reach out to you?
I know your socials are popping, but how can they reach out to
you with your br2, just to getto, just to follow you?

(01:18:03):
Man, how can they look at you?

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
BR2 printing Moose BR2.
You'll find everything there.
Phone numbers I don't hidenothing.
Phone numbers, message Doesn'tmatter who you are and what
you're asking and what you need.
Send me a message, I'll getback to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
And don't let the listeners know we might have
eating wild BR2 hats coming.

Speaker 7 (01:18:22):
Oh, you just did it, I did it, I did it Right when I
almost hit the pause button,brother, you dropped the news.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, tell everyone listening before we end the show
, what's happening.
We got Moose here.
We got you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
We are teaming up with BR2.
It's our pleasure to team upwith a guy like Moose and we're
going to have some really cooleating wild gear down the road.
That's the number one question.
We get all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
I was just going to tell you, man, we've been
getting questions about ourknives.
We're almost sold out, by theway.

Speaker 7 (01:18:51):
We're sold out.
You guys haven't seen those.
You're sold out, really yeahwe're very close.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
I held that knife.
By the way, Moose is going tobe sampling the E-Dub knife very
shortly, but you you know merch.
Merch has always been somethingthat we've been getting a lot
of questions.
And where can we get an edubhat?
Where can we get a t-shirt?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
we're flattered, man, the fact that we have so much
demand for this.
It is flattering, and I thinkwe have to go to the e-commerce.
Eventually we're gonna, andright now most people are
sliding in our dms buying knivesand all that stuff, but maybe
that's something we can talk toyou about.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
We'll make them available soon and, yeah,
there'll be a fair price andthere'll be the og logo, and
then, you know, maybe everyseason we come out with a new
shirt or yeah, we're gonna haveto have an e-commerce store.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's growing so fast and and we're we're honored.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
It's a beautiful thing, honestly what like
sitting on the outside watchingyou guys do what you do.
Um, I see your passion.
I understand what you're doing.
I absolutely love it.
I think you guys are notbeginners.
You've set a bar.
You do it with class.
I love everything about it yourstories, who you guys are, how

(01:20:05):
you guys got here and what youguys are going to continue to do
.
I'm super pumped to watch itall go down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Did you put him on payroll?
Because that was beautiful.
I'm blushing right now.
I'm blushing, I'm blushing.

Speaker 7 (01:20:18):
This guy's been in the business forever and he's
seen it all.
It's true, man.
It's true.
It's not because of who you'vepartnered up with, it's not
because of what you say.
It's because you're real,you're straight up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Appreciate that man, you know what I mean.
You get the sugar coat.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
We're sitting here having drinks and cigars and
telling life stories, and that'swhat it's all about.
Yeah, that's awesome, well saidbrother.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Well said.
Well, listen, man, this is uhsmash malecca, uh.
I'd like to thank our guestagain, moose, and of course, my
beautiful co-host, christophershowtime johnson.
That, by the way, people himbeing in studio.
It's not easy.
It's not easy for you to comedown from london all the time.
I think our guests are gettingreally used to you coming here
hanging out with me smoking acigar having a dream on the

(01:21:02):
cigar I'm gonna have to give youguys to go cigars, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
But yeah, but yeah.
It's great to be in studio, asalways, and any chance I can
have to sit by one of my bestfriends is fantastic, and I
consider Moose one of our greatfriends now too.
And yeah, man, thanks forhaving me once again.
I love what you did the place,man.
You kept the fridge full for meand cigar cigar cutter and uh

(01:21:26):
torch lighter ready for me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Thanks, buddy all right guys.
Thanks for listening.
This is antonio smash molecularchecking out of your coach.
Start that lovely tune, siege.
It was a pleasure, buddy, ciao,get the net.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
We'll be right back.

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