April 29, 2025 • 44 mins
What happens when you're given a 1% chance of survival and doctors tell your family it's time to let you go? For Elle Saramaga, this critical moment led to an extraordinary journey beyond physical consciousness that would forever transform her understanding of human existence.
After a physician mistakenly administered the wrong medication, Elle experienced catastrophic organ failure that sent her into a two-month coma. As her body struggled to survive, her consciousness expanded into realms beyond ordinary perception. While doctors insisted her brain couldn't possibly survive the extreme conditions, Elle's family refused to remove life support—a decision that ultimately saved her life.
Perhaps most compelling is Elle's perspective on the relationship between science and spirituality. "Science is the left hand, spirituality is the right," she explains. "If they worked together, our world would be advanced." This integrated vision now guides her professional life—after relearning to walk and write following her medical crisis, Elle pursued education in pharmacogenetics and genetic medicine, determined to bridge these seemingly separate domains of understanding.
Elle's story isn't just about survival against impossible odds or mysterious realms beyond physical existence. It's about recognizing our fundamental interconnection—not just spiritually but scientifically through energy and DNA—and awakening to our extraordinary potential as human beings. Join us for this remarkable conversation that will leave you questioning the boundaries of consciousness and inspired by the profound wisdom that can emerge from life's darkest moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My daughter said no, mommy, that's the actual date.
You've been in a coma for twoand a half months, and then I
just started.
I went to try to writesomething and started crying
because I couldn't write my name.
I feel like I'm shamelesslydependent on God, meaning I'm
the type of person like God.
(00:20):
Should I eat a sandwich today?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Girl, you are singing my song.
I literally say that Me too.
Like I literally say God, I'msorry.
Like I even say it, andsometimes I'll talk to him full
blown in the middle of the day,going are you serious?
Right now You're rushing to thehospital.
Something is really wrong.
Was it the medicine you juststarted taking?
As the emergency doors open andyou rush in, your last thought
(00:47):
is someone please tell mydaughter I'm going to be okay.
But it wasn't okay.
Al Saramaga was given only a 1%chance of survival after a
doctor mistakenly administratedthe wrong medication.
Al lay in a coma for two months.
The doctors told her family itwas time to let her go.
As her family stood by indespair, elle's spirit slipped
away.
She was pulled into a realm oflight.
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She saw the future of theplanet, its struggles, its hope.
A surge of clarity rushedthrough her.
This is not the end.
She had a purpose and she wokeup After having to relearn to
walk and write, she dedicatedher life to genetic medicine.
She is determined to give back,to give the best version of
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herself and change the world.
One discovery at a time, rawand real.
Here is Elle Suramaga.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How are you?
I'm good, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I am doing so well.
I'm branched off onto my ownpodcast, so it's been great.
It's just amazing what's goingon.
Tell me what's going on.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What's new with you since I last talked with you?
Doing more in genetics and justlearning a lot and excited
Boyfriend I've found and I sharethis with my daughter too since
my NDE my priorities aredifferent in regards to
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relationships and even you knowjust what I place importance on.
So it's more kind of like whatcan I give the world of myself
and what can I enjoy and takefrom the world, of the lessons
from this life?
So that's like more importantto me.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And just a side note too, I know I've said this to
you, but my interview with youon my other podcast was one of,
if not my, favorite one.
I felt like you know, I thinkyou know this, but if you don't,
I was the person on the podcastthat was sort of stepping in
(03:07):
with just a toe into that worldthat I had no idea about, and I
was coming from a direction oftrying to bridge that gap with
people who don't know, maybewant to know, and I find your I
found yours personally soenlightening, mostly, I think,
because of your, your, yourrelationship with the Bible and
your spirit, spirituality, andthat's something I could hone in
(03:29):
with.
So, anyway, I just want to tellyou that, because I think
you're awesome and I'm so happythat you said yes.
Previously to the NDE, you werealready going through some
medical issues.
Walk me through what thatlooked like.
Before you got to the pointwhere they actually said to you
you have 1% chance of survival.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, the irony is is , before this all happened to me
, I was pretty healthy.
I almost never got sick.
I used to eat organic.
I almost never got sick, I usedto eat organic.
You know, I was just kind oflike felt it was really
important what you put in yourbody and I was careful of doing
that.
I never got the flu, I nevergot the flu shot, you know.
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So that was the irony of it.
And then when I got this, youknow infection, which is how
everything started I startedrecovering from the infection in
the hospital and then, all of asudden, I had a reaction to a
medicine and then that kind ofwas I started having kidney
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failure, kidney failure, lungfailure, my body was, you know,
deteriorating, so I was inducedin a coma so they could take
pressure off my body and becausethey couldn't figure out how to
stabilize me, and, yeah, theyultimately at the end, where
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they were trying to convince myfamily to take me off of life
support, they said you know, shehas less than a 1% chance of
survival and they said if I wasgoing to survive, that I would
be in a vegetated state and thatyou know that the brain could
not survive the level of carbondioxide that my brain was
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exposed to.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Let me ask you something, simply because I went
through sort of the same thingwith my mother.
When they tell your family this, do they make that decision at
that moment to say no, we wantto continue.
We believe she's going to comeout of it.
Or is that something that theydecided?
Who decided to keep you going?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
My family did.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, they tried to they'd come from different
angles, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I tell people like medical advocacy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
this is medical advocacy, advice.
Make sure that if, if, whetherit's you or somebody else in
your family or close friend thatyou're seeing, make sure that
you realize your power and yourvoice and that you can make
decisions for the situation.
Because they tried multipletimes to try to get my family to
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take me off of life support.
They wouldn't budge up untilthe end when they said you know,
there's really nothing else wecan do.
And they finally said you know,we've got to take her.
We've got to take her off.
She has a less than 1% chanceof survival.
But what they did was a newangle.
(06:45):
They said we have an oscillator.
It's in the basement.
It's old technology.
Nobody knows how to use it.
We're going to bring somebodyin.
We're going to switch her fromlife support to this oscillator.
It's going to take pressure offof her lungs and if she
survives, then we'll put her.
They didn't say if she survives, but they said we'll switch her
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out.
Translation what was reallyhappening is is they were using
that as an opportunity to takeme off life support, in their
mind, knowing that I was goingto crash and you know that that
would be it.
Okay.
So what happened was is theywent to take me off I, I, I
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began to crash and then all of asudden I started breathing on
my own.
So they're legally obligated toput me on the oscillator to
keep to, to help support mybreathing.
That's the only reason I'm here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You know, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
While you were under, you have made several
statements saying that keeptalking to that person because
there is something there thatthey're hearing and that to me
feels like that.
This was part of that journeyfor you back to the side.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yes, when somebody is in a coma.
When I was in a coma I went inand out of my body and from what
I understand I think in generalpeople go in and out of their
body Some people will walk downthe hallway of the hospital that
they're in.
Some people will be over theirbody which I was over mine at
one point in a procedure room,which I was over mine at one
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point when in a procedure room.
I remember being out of my bodyand in a different dimensional
realm, and then I heard singingand then it's like as quick as
an atom, like as as an atomicparticle moves.
I was like back in my body inthe hospital, hearing the and
seeing everybody singing or noteverybody, but there were a
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couple of people that weresinging by my bedside some
spiritual songs to me.
So that's how we move, that'show we're meant to move.
Actually is that freely andinterdimensionally?
We're interdimensional beings,but in that state, of course,
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you just automaticallyexperience it.
So it's important for people tokeep talking and encouraging
the people that are therepraying for them, things like
that, because you know, we hearit, we can see it, we hear it
and it does encourage us to stay.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'm glad they kept you on and I'm glad they sang to
you.
Wasn't it your church friendsthat came and sang?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
for you.
Yeah, it was a church actuallythat I used to go to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Really.
Oh my goodness, that's how muchpeople love you.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, they had um, they had heard and they came
like um, you know, quite a fewof them came and I had, like,
family and friends in differentcountries even praying for me,
um, and so I had a lot of peoplepraying for me.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's because you're amazing and you were meant to
be back here, right, you havethis near death experience.
You are on the other side, walkus through, when you realize
because obviously that'sprobably black.
And then, all of a sudden,you're you, you sort of awake,
on the other side.
What is?
Walk us through that, and then,all of a sudden, you're you,
you sort of awake, on the otherside.
What is?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
walk us through that, yeah, so I don't remember the
time where you know where youreyes close and then you open.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah right, that's that blackness yeah Right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah Then.
So I I don't rememberexperiencing the blackness, I
just remember I was in thisworld and all of a sudden I had
a continuation in another world.
And was in this world and allof a sudden I had a continuation
in another world and that waslike like I didn't know what
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happened, I didn't know, Ithought that that was life and I
thought that that was, you know, for a while, until I had three
guides that kind of cameforward and explained to me just
different things about life.
And also I had a lot ofquestions.
Once I realized that I was in adifferent, you know, reality or
a different.
Um, I was in the spirit realm.
I I had a lot of questions liketell me about this, I want to
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know why this is that way.
And and one of the guides wasanswering my questions, but he
didn't speak a lot, he was very,everything was telepathic, and
so he would just kind of likesay merge, and then I would
merge into that thing orexperience, and then through
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experiencing I would learn andunderstand, and then, you know,
then I would be pulled out ofthat and then merge into
something else.
So that's everything was verylike.
The learning was not reallywith words or explanation.
It was more experience andemotion and it's like you feel
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it in your soul, like your soulwas just connecting immediately.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Were you ever nervous or afraid or anything on that
side?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, like in all of the interviews I've done,
nobody's ever asked me that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, because I'm sitting you just did it so
perfect.
I'm sitting in your shoes going.
Damn I would.
I would be like what.
The F is going on, like what?
And you see three people andyou don't know them.
I think one you had said wasjust from my previous interview
looked like your daughter.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, well, no, I'm blown away by the question
because yeah, please answer.
Yeah, it's simple, it's asimple question, but it's like
yeah, that's right.
Nobody like nobody asked youknow if I was afraid, and it
kind of speaks to some of thelessons that I learned.
It's the simple things.
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That is really what life isabout.
We overcomplicate everything.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Don't we.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I wasn't really afraid.
I didn't feel any type of fear.
I felt more curiosity and Ifelt love and.
I felt some protection,Intrigued, you know like, with
some of the things that I didn'tnecessarily understand, and
there were some things that Ididn't like.
(13:27):
You know, like when I wasseeing, I saw some prophetic
things of the world, propheticthings about my life and
different experiences.
So those were more.
I didn't really feel fear.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, that's good, because I think I don't.
I mean, obviously I don't knowhow I would feel.
I haven't gone through that.
I think we're all afraid ofdying know how I would feel.
I haven't gone through that.
I think we're all afraid ofdying.
Most of us who haven't gonethrough an NDE and it's it's, I
will tell you after hearing yourstory and really feeling like
I'm living through it with youbecause you, you know, are
telling a great, great story, Idon't have that fear as much as
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I used to Like.
I'm like okay, okay, it's goingto be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Elle said so but yeah , before that, before everything
happened to me, I did have afear of death and it was more,
um like, of the experience.
I don't have a fear of theexperience of death any longer.
I do have a fear of loss.
You know FOMO.
You know FOMO, you know, andthat's because I have a child.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Other than that, right right, right, right right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, other than that , I don't fear it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There's this quote that you said.
That literally blew my mind andI'm like wow.
So I'm going to say the quoteand I want to talk about that
just a little bit.
And I'm gonna have you quote itbecause, basically, let me, let
you.
I don't know if you remember,but it was something about the
spiritual world meeting themedical world and what that
meant with the left and righthand.
Do you remember that quote?
You said, no, I don't.
Oh God, it's so good, youshould like coin it.
(14:59):
Basically yeah, no, no joke.
But basically what you said wasthe fact that the spiritual
world and the medical world haveall this angst and hatred sort
of toward each other is likeyour left arm hitting your right
arm.
And I thought, oh my God, thatwas the point where I had that
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paradigm shift, saying, oh mygoodness, I'm, it's okay for me
to believe in the Bible, butalso to believe in this too
because it does.
this is conflicting thing.
It's like it's very conflictingfor a lot of people, and
especially someone who, like you, is very, you know, into your
faith and then, having thisexperience and how you you've
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been able to bridge that gap inyour own, in your own person, I
wish, like a lot of us out there, I feel like it's.
No, I don't believe in that.
They don't even give it achance.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I feel like I'm shamelessly dependent on God,
meaning I'm the type of person'slike God.
Should I eat a sandwich today,girl?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
you are singing my song.
I literally say that me too,like I'm all.
I literally say god, I'm sorry,like I even say, and sometimes
I'll talk to him full blown inthe middle of the day going are
you serious right now, likeright?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
totally, when god literally does not care yeah,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He's like do what you need to do free will dude dude
Right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That being said, the science is the left hand and
divinity is the right hand.
If in spirituality is the righthand, if they got along, if
they worked together, then ourworld would be advanced.
We wouldn't have as many hurtpeople hurting people, which is,
you know a lot of what happensin our world and we would be
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able to understand not onlyother people but our own power
in a more direct way.
Usually, we understand ourpower in indirect ways, through
having a near death experienceor, you know, completing a task
that you know was elusive andsomething that we wanted to do,
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and or losing all the weight wewanted to.
It's like all of these indirectways that we find out our power
.
When you know we can, it can beso much more direct.
You know, it's important to beable to explore both.
There are people like Dr EvanAlexander.
He was a neurosurgeon and hehad a, you know, a near-death
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experience, or he experienced anear-death experience.
And there are other.
You know, after the firstpodcast that I did, ever, a
doctor emailed me and said hehad a near death experience and
he hadn't spoken about it forlike nine years.
He was afraid to because it'sit's a little taboo in the
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medical world to even thinkRight.
Right, people could go throughthat and experience that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, right, you know, funny enough, when I was
doing Ethereal Edge and reallyloving everything, I was
learning that taboo.
When I started Ethereal Edge,like I was, I said to them I'm
going to a conference thisweekend and I would tell my
staff what I was, you know,going to do and they would just
poke me and make fun of me.
And I'm like you know, at firstit was like, oh yeah, you know.
Then, as I was like meetingpeople like you, I've been blown
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away.
I'm like you.
I feel like my eyes opened andmy, my whole world opened, the,
the loving God and Jesus, andthen the woo, woo part of it.
And I, and giving yourselfpermission to have both.
So, speaking of woo, woo, I'dlove you to get into, you know,
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seeing the Akashic Records andwhat that experience was like
for you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, well, before, when I'd heard about the Akashic
Records, which I didn't reallyknow much about, the Akashic
Records before, all of that butI imagine a place of a hall of
records like books and scrollsand things like that.
For me, I saw, and I think it'sdifferent for everyone, just
like the soul's experience isfor everyone.
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For me it was more like aholodeck that you'd see on Star
Trek, where you step into thatperiod in time and then you
learn, you go and found outafter the fact that Nikola Tesla
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first stated that there was ahall of records based on Akasha,
that existed scientifically inthe universe and it was based on
physics, not metaphysics.
So you know, that's an exampleof like spirit and science.
And and um, nikola Tesla saidthat he got a lot of information
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about his theories andexperiences from the, the, a
divine spirit, and from and fromthe Akashic records.
So then I thought, okay, well,this is not that crazy, you know
.
So the Akashic records isinterdimensional, so it's like
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records of not just what'shappened in this dimension, but
it's other dimensions as well.
Now I will say that the churchthat I used to go to was very
fundamental Christian and ofcourse, they wouldn't think or
talk anything about that, but Ithink with everyone, they have
to explore for themselves whatresonates that the Bible is very
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is filled with lots of depth, alot of codes, a lot of like
metaphors, and so everything isnot always cut and dry.
That's why there is thatscripture, for example ask, seek
and knock and the door will beopen for you.
Because, if you think of it, adoor is a pathway to a new
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experience and understanding.
So everyone has to kind of seekthat out for themselves.
It's a part of free will.
Everyone has to kind of seekthat out for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's a part of free will.
Elle, you need to start yourown church, the Church of Elle,
because I would join it.
I mean because you're right,like where I feel and I don't
feel alone anymore.
And I actually have anotherfriend of mine who she's right
like with me and you and I don'tfeel alone anymore because and
I actually have another friendof mine who she's right like
with me and you, uh, you and I,and she also is been, I say,
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awakened on the spirituality ofthe world and the next dimension
and I firmly, truly believe andagree with you that we are a
dimensional species here andthat we all live in these
different dimensions.
I truly believe a lot of thethings that I learned on the
Ethereal Edge podcast, talkingto people.
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There's no reason for them.
I mean, truth be told I'llprobably edit this out Truth be
told, we had some friends onthat.
I was like I don't know aboutthat.
We had some friends on that.
I was like I don't know aboutthat, I'm not quite there yet.
I'm not there yet, but I'm opento it.
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I'm like, if you would ask me 20years ago, hey, you know what,
you can send a song to China andit will get there in a
nanosecond and they can listento it.
I'd be like you're out of yourmind.
What are you a witch?
You're like, you know, like,but that's what we, that's what
we do now, that's our world thatwe live in, and that's a whole
other podcast.
But yeah, I didn't know aboutthe Akashic Records until I
literally was starting toresearch when we met with you,
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and then, when you were talkingabout it, I was like, wow, that
sounds really great.
You should have asked for thelottery numbers while you were
there.
That's what I'm like.
I'm just wondering what thelottery is going to be.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay.
So the first thing to know isthat, I would venture to say, in
about 10 to 15 years, money isnot going to be a thing any
longer.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So we don't need the lottery numbers.
And what is going to be in itsplace.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We are going to go back to egalitarian system of
kind of I wouldn't say likebarter and trade.
I don't know how to explain it,but it's more.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It's almost a sustainability.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's almost a sustainability type thing.
Yeah, it's kind of likeeverybody has what they need,
but anything above that theyjust add into the system of our
collective community.
But everybody has what theyneed and it's not something
that's earned, it's moresomething that's it's a right, a
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human right.
So you have it.
I don't exactly know how it'sgoing to work, but that's one of
the things that I did get toldfrom a guide was that money was
going to itself go away as asystem.
Just going back to and some ofthe reasoning of that is what I
was saying about Nikola Tesla,if you think about it, what
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stood in the way from what hewas sharing from a spiritual and
physics and engineeringperspective.
He was sharing science andspirituality and he was a very
ethical person.
So the thing that got in theway from that being spread is
money and greed.
That's what shut everythingdown.
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We've gone through so manycycles of that where it's clear
that money and greed is anopposing force and a dark force
to a lot of good that we canachieve in the world.
So ultimately it's going to goaway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I would love that world and I look forward to it.
So what is the last thing thatyou see or that you experienced
before you come back to theother side?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Different experiences .
For example, in asking whythere were certain, why the way,
why the world was the way itwas, I saw some corruption and
some corruptive actions.
I saw some you know some ofthis like seedier things, and
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then I would have like I wouldsee the experience, my soul
would be like, okay, that'senough.
And then all of a sudden I waspulled out of that.
Why?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
do you think they?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
showed you that, yeah , I was asking a lot of
questions like why do peoplesuffer here?
Why is this happening here you,what's going on with this?
And why is the structure theway it is?
Why is the matrix this and thatand the other?
And so I was shown thesedifferent things to answer my
question.
I was also shown things that Ididn't know that I might have.
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Maybe it was a subconsciousquestion that I didn't really
vocalize at the time, like Ididn't know that.
Everything was conscious, likeyou know, plants.
So I was told to merge into atree other life forms, like a
lily and a fish, and experiencedyeah, I experienced not myself
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myself, I actually was them.
So, like I lost all sense ofmyself and became the fish.
So I had like a fish mentality.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Were you underwater with as the fish and it was like
um, maybe you weren't a fish,maybe you were a mermaid, just
kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
No, no, no, I was actually I was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I was a fish.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It was like um, I was an orb that went like I
possessed the fish.
Oh okay, so, uh, so Iunderstand when people get
attachments.
Or you know, whatever.
Or the spirit is actually in anorb form, like that's actually
our soul, like right in all ofthese, you know whatever.
Or the spirit is actually in anorb form, like that's actually
our soul, like right in all ofthese, you know, in that that
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circle, you know that's, that'swhat we are.
What's next, a light pannedaround the room, forming a
tunnel.
It was a really bright light,and then it made like a tunnel
shape and because my mindset waslike everything was okay, I
didn't think, oh, here it comes,this is the tunnel that they
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all talk about, that, you see,you're about to cross over.
I didn't have any of thosethoughts at all.
I was just kind of, I felt likeat peace and I felt like
everything was fine either way.
And so, um, I looked at thelight and then my guide was
standing with me there, likenext to me, like we're about to
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go somewhere, and then, all of asudden, you know, um, I was
told it wasn't my time, and thenthe light, like unpan, like you
know, reversed back around, andthat was the last thing that I
remembered, and then you woke up.
(29:10):
You remember waking up.
You know I remember a doctor.
I remember the doctor likecoming in at some point and I
had a tracheotomy and you know Istill have a the scar right
here.
So I wasn't able to speak rightaway.
But I remember feeling veryangsty when I, when I fully came
(29:32):
to and when the tracheotomy wastaken out, the doctor was
snapping his fingers in my faceand was saying you know, like
say something.
They wanted to see if my brainwas working and everything else.
And the doctor said saysomething.
And I was really irritated andI said something.
That's funny.
(29:52):
My family in the room, somebodysaid oh, she's back.
I don't remember who it wasthat said that.
And then a couple of peoplelaugh.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now you're back and I do want to talk about this
briefly because it's reallyextraordinary, this whole thing
that where you came from all theway to where you are now and I
don't want to miss anything thenext thing that happens, you
have to learn how to walk andbasically move again.
Right, yeah, almost talk.
(30:26):
You could talk a little bit.
Walk me through that.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So I had.
I didn't know, like I saidbefore to me, nothing had
happened.
I saw the whiteboard.
You know where they write thenurses you know, information
whatever.
And it said like Octobersomething.
And I went into the hospital inAugust.
So I looked at one of my familyand I was like I think it was
(30:51):
my daughter.
I said stop playing tricks onme, you know, change the date
back.
And they said no, that's theactual date.
And I didn't believe them.
And then she's my, my apologies.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
How long were you under?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
and then she's my.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
My apologies how long were you under?
Um?
I was under for two and a halfmonths.
Well, how did I not know that?
From in my head it was like aweek or something yeah, oh my
goodness, like that's.
So that's nuts.
Imagine you go, you what you go.
It's like it's winter, you wakeup and it's summer.
I mean it feels like that itwas summer and I woke up and it
(31:29):
was like fall.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And um so, um, um, my my daughter said no, mommy,
that's the actual date.
You've been in a coma for twoand a half months.
And then I just started cryingbecause I didn't understand like
it was just hitting me, and Ilooked at my body and my I had
(31:51):
atrophy.
You know how you're you loseall your muscle tone.
So all of that, I looked downand then I started.
It started clicking.
Oh my gosh, you know I wasn'there.
Gosh, you know I wasn't here.
Then I had to recollect or makesense of the fact that I was
(32:12):
somewhere else, and these peoplein front of me are not going to
understand that.
I was perfectly okay where Iwas.
And now I'm here in thishospital.
I couldn't walk.
So I like tried to move and Iwasn't able to.
When I had the, the trach in, Iwent to try to write something
and started crying because Icouldn't write my name.
(32:34):
So I was.
It was kind of like a shock tome, like oh my gosh, what
happened?
Like why can't I write my name?
In fact I saved that firstlittle scribble, did you really?
Yeah, that's when I tried towrite my name.
And then I started realizingyou know, like how, the
(32:57):
ramification how much damage wasdone and had to go through,
learn how to walk again, learnhow to write all of these things
, and then having the PTSD fromthat too.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I was going to ask you how long do you think you
were in, how long do you thinkit took you to get back to being
able to walk normally and writeand sort of function.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, they were forcing me.
They were like you're going toget up and walk every day.
It, I would say it tookprobably.
I would say it took like maybea month or two before I could
really walk again withassistance.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And you mentioned PTSD and I read one of your
articles where you would get tothat that fall season and every
year you'd kind of get to thislike PTSD, as would your family
and your daughter like what'sgoing to happen?
Is it going to happen again?
Oh my goodness.
And then you walk me throughwhat that felt like to you now
celebrating life at that timebecause you know how far you've
(34:07):
gone.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right.
Well, that first year, that wasdifficult because, yeah, we
were literally holding ourbreath.
My daughter was holding herbreath, I'm holding mine,
wondering if anything's going tohappen, if you know if
something's gonna like like ashoe's going to drop right
around that same time, because Ihad no treatment plan, I had no
(34:29):
resolution and things like that.
And that first year passed andokay, got through.
Okay, here comes the secondyear, the second year okay,
let's hope that it's not goingto happen and then past that
year and everything was fine.
And part of the reason isbecause people who are on life
support the statistics forpeople who live after they've
(34:56):
been on life support are verylow.
Like, most people die within ayear after being on ECMO because
of all of the damage to yourbody.
So I didn't like we wereconstantly running to the
hospital for for every littlething because I didn't know if I
was going to live a year.
You know, past a year afterbeing on ECMO, which is life
(35:18):
support, I would say, like thefirst three years was, like you
know, holding our breath rightaround that time.
But after that was then Istarted to celebrate every year.
You know that, uh, and, and my,my family, the first year they
didn't even tell me the um, thedate of my, what would have been
(35:41):
my death date, which was likeSeptember 18th I think.
So they just they kind of letit pass, but they were looking
at me funny the whole time.
And then, after the date passed, then they were like okay, yeah
, yeah, and so, like they didtell me on the date, this is the
(36:02):
date that you were supposed todie, so, but by that time it was
like later in the day, so youknow, but yeah, so, but now just
kind of celebrate, now I don'teven think about it.
The past few years that date iscoming down and I haven't even
thought about it.
Yeah, Until I brought it up.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Sorry, I'm just kidding.
Following this experience, youhad a very big spiritual
awakening.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
So, like I said, there was noreal treatment plan.
I felt like a lot of doctorswere afraid of me after that and
you know just, but not reallygiving any real solutions other
than keep staying medicated,which I was not into doing.
(36:49):
And so I started doing my ownresearch and I started, you know
, showing my research and saying, hey, this is a theory, I have
(37:16):
what about this?
And this is what I found and,you know, really starting to get
some respect because they weresome of them, starting to get
some respect because they weresome of them, the research I was
presenting was valid.
I started to get more supportand I started to follow through
on some of the things that I wasresearching and one of my
(37:37):
doctors said, you know, you'd bea really good doctor, you
should go into medicine.
And I was like I don't likedoctors, so, but then I said I
love the whole process ofresearching and I like the nerdy
parts.
So I said, you know, maybe it'ssomething that I would, would
(38:02):
would pursue.
And I had three doctors writeme recommendation letters for
school and then I started I'mabout to graduate in one program
this year, this fall, and Istill have more to continue to
get to the MD level, but atleast this one program will be
(38:27):
over and I'll be specialized inpharmacogenetics, which is the
first part of my path on thegenetics path.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's what I decided to go to pursue, so yeah, how
many years does it take for youto get where you need to be?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
um, it's gonna take me about three or four more
years, depending on that eightthat's wonderful, oh, that's
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's just amazing and to I mean, honestly, I my
eyes are.
I didn't know.
It was two months to go fromyour that you were supposed to
die.
They're fighting for you,literally fighting for your life
, and and then here you are.
Let's switch gears just for asecond.
What are your hopes for thefuture?
(39:23):
And you had mentioned thatwe're about to evolve into a
different type of society.
What are your hopes for thefuture and for the world?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Starting at the core of things is that people start
to realize their own personalpower.
I think that it starts there.
Everybody needs to realize thedepth of how amazing they are
and just how beautiful they areas a human being and how
powerful they are as a humanbeing, and start honoring their
(39:56):
lives that way, doing thingsthat matter and focusing our
intention on things that matter.
So if you and I do it, that'stwo of us, and then we talk to
others, then others will joinand then others and others, and
that's kind of how a societyshifts, and so that's the first
(40:17):
thing.
My hope for you know for just usas a collective in general,
know for just us as a collectivein general is that we start to
realize that we're all connectedto each other, and we're
connected in a spiritual andscientific way, like physics
wise.
We are actually connectedenergetically.
(40:37):
We're connected DNA wise aswell, and so how do you treat
the people that you're connectedto?
How do you feel about them?
How do you work together withthem?
You know, how do you bounceyour energy off of the other
person?
Those are the things that wefeel when we connect with
(40:59):
somebody who energeticallyaligns with us.
It's a real thing, it's actualenergy, and so how do we, on you
know, understanding how tohonor that and then put it into
practice in our lives?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That is exactly why I started this podcast.
I my biggest thing is I wantpeople to understand how amazing
they are, and there are somepeople out there I was one of
them back when I was younger solost and so like scared and not
knowing and and just I guess,just knowing what you just said
(41:37):
that we are all connected.
You are never alone.
If you just ask, you willreceive, and if that is help, if
that is love, if that is a hug,whatever it is, and it's like
that whole manifestation thing,but literally I feel like God,
source, alien.
Whatever you believe in, if youask, you'll get it back and
(42:00):
it's going to be okay.
I love the church of El.
I love it.
I'm not even kidding.
I want to help you write a bookbecause I love I honestly love
the way you think and I wisheveryone did Like I really
believe that if we could justtake your little brain and then
like, throw it out to theuniverse so we all get better.
(42:21):
But yeah, okay.
So I always like to end thingswith, uh, a little rapid fire,
fun questions to end on a highnote and uh, so I have a couple
of weird questions and justwhatever comes to your brain.
Here it is.
So what is your favoritecomfort food?
Cheese?
Oh, me too.
Grilled cheese, freaking fonduelove cheese very aged cheese.
(42:47):
Okay, what is your favoritesmell?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I'm just gonna say lavender, because there's so
many.
My favorite smells that I'mjust gonna say lavender love it
mine's grass.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Isn't it weird?
It reminds me of playing soccer.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I like another smell.
I love petrichor.
That is, petrichor is the scentof how dirt smells, right when
it's first starts raining.
Really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That's so crazy.
That's so crazy.
Yeah, no, mine is a fresh cutgrass.
Reminds me of playing soccerwhen I was younger.
It was my happiest, that was.
My happy place was playingsoccer.
So well, I'll thank you so muchfor coming in and being a part
of the little edgy and agelessfamily here, and I am so, of
(43:36):
course.
Yes, I'm so honored.
I love, I just love you.
You're so amazing.
Again, the church of Val.
If there's anything you want to, anything and everything about
Elle will be in the description,meaning her books, her book,
any articles she was going toshare, how to get in touch with
her.
All those things will be in thedescription and until then,
(43:57):
thank you, elle.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me, tracy,you bet, and I really appreciate
it.
My daughter said no, mommy, that's the actual date.
You've been in a coma for twoand a half months, and then I
just started.
I went to try to writesomething and started crying
because I couldn't write my name.
I feel like I'm shamelesslydependent on God, meaning I'm
the type of person like God.
(00:20):
Should I eat a sandwich today?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Girl, you are singing my song.
I literally say that Me too.
Like I literally say God, I'msorry.
Like I even say it, andsometimes I'll talk to him full
blown in the middle of the day,going are you serious?
Right now You're rushing to thehospital.
Something is really wrong.
Was it the medicine you juststarted taking?
As the emergency doors open andyou rush in, your last thought
(00:47):
is someone please tell mydaughter I'm going to be okay.
But it wasn't okay.
Al Saramaga was given only a 1%chance of survival after a
doctor mistakenly administratedthe wrong medication.
Al lay in a coma for two months.
The doctors told her family itwas time to let her go.
As her family stood by indespair, elle's spirit slipped
away.
She was pulled into a realm oflight.
(01:09):
She saw the future of theplanet, its struggles, its hope.
A surge of clarity rushedthrough her.
This is not the end.
She had a purpose and she wokeup After having to relearn to
walk and write, she dedicatedher life to genetic medicine.
She is determined to give back,to give the best version of
(01:30):
herself and change the world.
One discovery at a time, rawand real.
Here is Elle Suramaga.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How are you?
I'm good, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I am doing so well.
I'm branched off onto my ownpodcast, so it's been great.
It's just amazing what's goingon.
Tell me what's going on.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What's new with you since I last talked with you?
Doing more in genetics and justlearning a lot and excited
Boyfriend I've found and I sharethis with my daughter too since
my NDE my priorities aredifferent in regards to
(02:31):
relationships and even you knowjust what I place importance on.
So it's more kind of like whatcan I give the world of myself
and what can I enjoy and takefrom the world, of the lessons
from this life?
So that's like more importantto me.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And just a side note too, I know I've said this to
you, but my interview with youon my other podcast was one of,
if not my, favorite one.
I felt like you know, I thinkyou know this, but if you don't,
I was the person on the podcastthat was sort of stepping in
(03:07):
with just a toe into that worldthat I had no idea about, and I
was coming from a direction oftrying to bridge that gap with
people who don't know, maybewant to know, and I find your I
found yours personally soenlightening, mostly, I think,
because of your, your, yourrelationship with the Bible and
your spirit, spirituality, andthat's something I could hone in
(03:29):
with.
So, anyway, I just want to tellyou that, because I think
you're awesome and I'm so happythat you said yes.
Previously to the NDE, you werealready going through some
medical issues.
Walk me through what thatlooked like.
Before you got to the pointwhere they actually said to you
you have 1% chance of survival.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, the irony is is , before this all happened to me
, I was pretty healthy.
I almost never got sick.
I used to eat organic.
I almost never got sick, I usedto eat organic.
You know, I was just kind oflike felt it was really
important what you put in yourbody and I was careful of doing
that.
I never got the flu, I nevergot the flu shot, you know.
(04:17):
So that was the irony of it.
And then when I got this, youknow infection, which is how
everything started I startedrecovering from the infection in
the hospital and then, all of asudden, I had a reaction to a
medicine and then that kind ofwas I started having kidney
(04:41):
failure, kidney failure, lungfailure, my body was, you know,
deteriorating, so I was inducedin a coma so they could take
pressure off my body and becausethey couldn't figure out how to
stabilize me, and, yeah, theyultimately at the end, where
(05:02):
they were trying to convince myfamily to take me off of life
support, they said you know, shehas less than a 1% chance of
survival and they said if I wasgoing to survive, that I would
be in a vegetated state and thatyou know that the brain could
not survive the level of carbondioxide that my brain was
(05:25):
exposed to.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Let me ask you something, simply because I went
through sort of the same thingwith my mother.
When they tell your family this, do they make that decision at
that moment to say no, we wantto continue.
We believe she's going to comeout of it.
Or is that something that theydecided?
Who decided to keep you going?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
My family did.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, they tried to they'd come from different
angles, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I tell people like medical advocacy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
this is medical advocacy, advice.
Make sure that if, if, whetherit's you or somebody else in
your family or close friend thatyou're seeing, make sure that
you realize your power and yourvoice and that you can make
decisions for the situation.
Because they tried multipletimes to try to get my family to
(06:24):
take me off of life support.
They wouldn't budge up untilthe end when they said you know,
there's really nothing else wecan do.
And they finally said you know,we've got to take her.
We've got to take her off.
She has a less than 1% chanceof survival.
But what they did was a newangle.
(06:45):
They said we have an oscillator.
It's in the basement.
It's old technology.
Nobody knows how to use it.
We're going to bring somebodyin.
We're going to switch her fromlife support to this oscillator.
It's going to take pressure offof her lungs and if she
survives, then we'll put her.
They didn't say if she survives, but they said we'll switch her
(07:08):
out.
Translation what was reallyhappening is is they were using
that as an opportunity to takeme off life support, in their
mind, knowing that I was goingto crash and you know that that
would be it.
Okay.
So what happened was is theywent to take me off I, I, I
(07:32):
began to crash and then all of asudden I started breathing on
my own.
So they're legally obligated toput me on the oscillator to
keep to, to help support mybreathing.
That's the only reason I'm here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
That is nuts.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You know, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
While you were under, you have made several
statements saying that keeptalking to that person because
there is something there thatthey're hearing and that to me
feels like that.
This was part of that journeyfor you back to the side.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yes, when somebody is in a coma.
When I was in a coma I went inand out of my body and from what
I understand I think in generalpeople go in and out of their
body Some people will walk downthe hallway of the hospital that
they're in.
Some people will be over theirbody which I was over mine at
one point in a procedure room,which I was over mine at one
(08:32):
point when in a procedure room.
I remember being out of my bodyand in a different dimensional
realm, and then I heard singingand then it's like as quick as
an atom, like as as an atomicparticle moves.
I was like back in my body inthe hospital, hearing the and
seeing everybody singing or noteverybody, but there were a
(08:54):
couple of people that weresinging by my bedside some
spiritual songs to me.
So that's how we move, that'show we're meant to move.
Actually is that freely andinterdimensionally?
We're interdimensional beings,but in that state, of course,
(09:15):
you just automaticallyexperience it.
So it's important for people tokeep talking and encouraging
the people that are therepraying for them, things like
that, because you know, we hearit, we can see it, we hear it
and it does encourage us to stay.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'm glad they kept you on and I'm glad they sang to
you.
Wasn't it your church friendsthat came and sang?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
for you.
Yeah, it was a church actuallythat I used to go to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Really.
Oh my goodness, that's how muchpeople love you.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, they had um, they had heard and they came
like um, you know, quite a fewof them came and I had, like,
family and friends in differentcountries even praying for me,
um, and so I had a lot of peoplepraying for me.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's because you're amazing and you were meant to
be back here, right, you havethis near death experience.
You are on the other side, walkus through, when you realize
because obviously that'sprobably black.
And then, all of a sudden,you're you, you sort of awake,
on the other side.
What is?
Walk us through that, and then,all of a sudden, you're you,
you sort of awake, on the otherside.
What is?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
walk us through that, yeah, so I don't remember the
time where you know where youreyes close and then you open.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah right, that's that blackness yeah Right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah Then.
So I I don't rememberexperiencing the blackness, I
just remember I was in thisworld and all of a sudden I had
a continuation in another world.
And was in this world and allof a sudden I had a continuation
in another world and that waslike like I didn't know what
(11:00):
happened, I didn't know, Ithought that that was life and I
thought that that was, you know, for a while, until I had three
guides that kind of cameforward and explained to me just
different things about life.
And also I had a lot ofquestions.
Once I realized that I was in adifferent, you know, reality or
a different.
Um, I was in the spirit realm.
I I had a lot of questions liketell me about this, I want to
(11:24):
know why this is that way.
And and one of the guides wasanswering my questions, but he
didn't speak a lot, he was very,everything was telepathic, and
so he would just kind of likesay merge, and then I would
merge into that thing orexperience, and then through
(11:44):
experiencing I would learn andunderstand, and then, you know,
then I would be pulled out ofthat and then merge into
something else.
So that's everything was verylike.
The learning was not reallywith words or explanation.
It was more experience andemotion and it's like you feel
(12:06):
it in your soul, like your soulwas just connecting immediately.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Were you ever nervous or afraid or anything on that
side?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, like in all of the interviews I've done,
nobody's ever asked me that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, because I'm sitting you just did it so
perfect.
I'm sitting in your shoes going.
Damn I would.
I would be like what.
The F is going on, like what?
And you see three people andyou don't know them.
I think one you had said wasjust from my previous interview
looked like your daughter.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, well, no, I'm blown away by the question
because yeah, please answer.
Yeah, it's simple, it's asimple question, but it's like
yeah, that's right.
Nobody like nobody asked youknow if I was afraid, and it
kind of speaks to some of thelessons that I learned.
It's the simple things.
(12:57):
That is really what life isabout.
We overcomplicate everything.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Don't we.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I wasn't really afraid.
I didn't feel any type of fear.
I felt more curiosity and Ifelt love and.
I felt some protection,Intrigued, you know like, with
some of the things that I didn'tnecessarily understand, and
there were some things that Ididn't like.
(13:27):
You know, like when I wasseeing, I saw some prophetic
things of the world, propheticthings about my life and
different experiences.
So those were more.
I didn't really feel fear.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, that's good, because I think I don't.
I mean, obviously I don't knowhow I would feel.
I haven't gone through that.
I think we're all afraid ofdying know how I would feel.
I haven't gone through that.
I think we're all afraid ofdying.
Most of us who haven't gonethrough an NDE and it's it's, I
will tell you after hearing yourstory and really feeling like
I'm living through it with youbecause you, you know, are
telling a great, great story, Idon't have that fear as much as
(14:06):
I used to Like.
I'm like okay, okay, it's goingto be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Elle said so but yeah , before that, before everything
happened to me, I did have afear of death and it was more,
um like, of the experience.
I don't have a fear of theexperience of death any longer.
I do have a fear of loss.
You know FOMO.
You know FOMO, you know, andthat's because I have a child.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Other than that, right right, right, right right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, other than that , I don't fear it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There's this quote that you said.
That literally blew my mind andI'm like wow.
So I'm going to say the quoteand I want to talk about that
just a little bit.
And I'm gonna have you quote itbecause, basically, let me, let
you.
I don't know if you remember,but it was something about the
spiritual world meeting themedical world and what that
meant with the left and righthand.
Do you remember that quote?
You said, no, I don't.
Oh God, it's so good, youshould like coin it.
(14:59):
Basically yeah, no, no joke.
But basically what you said wasthe fact that the spiritual
world and the medical world haveall this angst and hatred sort
of toward each other is likeyour left arm hitting your right
arm.
And I thought, oh my God, thatwas the point where I had that
(15:19):
paradigm shift, saying, oh mygoodness, I'm, it's okay for me
to believe in the Bible, butalso to believe in this too
because it does.
this is conflicting thing.
It's like it's very conflictingfor a lot of people, and
especially someone who, like you, is very, you know, into your
faith and then, having thisexperience and how you you've
(15:41):
been able to bridge that gap inyour own, in your own person, I
wish, like a lot of us out there, I feel like it's.
No, I don't believe in that.
They don't even give it achance.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I feel like I'm shamelessly dependent on God,
meaning I'm the type of person'slike God.
Should I eat a sandwich today,girl?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
you are singing my song.
I literally say that me too,like I'm all.
I literally say god, I'm sorry,like I even say, and sometimes
I'll talk to him full blown inthe middle of the day going are
you serious right now, likeright?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
totally, when god literally does not care yeah,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He's like do what you need to do free will dude dude
Right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That being said, the science is the left hand and
divinity is the right hand.
If in spirituality is the righthand, if they got along, if
they worked together, then ourworld would be advanced.
We wouldn't have as many hurtpeople hurting people, which is,
you know a lot of what happensin our world and we would be
(16:56):
able to understand not onlyother people but our own power
in a more direct way.
Usually, we understand ourpower in indirect ways, through
having a near death experienceor, you know, completing a task
that you know was elusive andsomething that we wanted to do,
(17:17):
and or losing all the weight wewanted to.
It's like all of these indirectways that we find out our power
.
When you know we can, it can beso much more direct.
You know, it's important to beable to explore both.
There are people like Dr EvanAlexander.
He was a neurosurgeon and hehad a, you know, a near-death
(17:43):
experience, or he experienced anear-death experience.
And there are other.
You know, after the firstpodcast that I did, ever, a
doctor emailed me and said hehad a near death experience and
he hadn't spoken about it forlike nine years.
He was afraid to because it'sit's a little taboo in the
(18:04):
medical world to even thinkRight.
Right, people could go throughthat and experience that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Right, right, you know, funny enough, when I was
doing Ethereal Edge and reallyloving everything, I was
learning that taboo.
When I started Ethereal Edge,like I was, I said to them I'm
going to a conference thisweekend and I would tell my
staff what I was, you know,going to do and they would just
poke me and make fun of me.
And I'm like you know, at firstit was like, oh yeah, you know.
Then, as I was like meetingpeople like you, I've been blown
(18:55):
away.
I'm like you.
I feel like my eyes opened andmy, my whole world opened, the,
the loving God and Jesus, andthen the woo, woo part of it.
And I, and giving yourselfpermission to have both.
So, speaking of woo, woo, I'dlove you to get into, you know,
(19:16):
seeing the Akashic Records andwhat that experience was like
for you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, well, before, when I'd heard about the Akashic
Records, which I didn't reallyknow much about, the Akashic
Records before, all of that butI imagine a place of a hall of
records like books and scrollsand things like that.
For me, I saw, and I think it'sdifferent for everyone, just
like the soul's experience isfor everyone.
(19:42):
For me it was more like aholodeck that you'd see on Star
Trek, where you step into thatperiod in time and then you
learn, you go and found outafter the fact that Nikola Tesla
(20:14):
first stated that there was ahall of records based on Akasha,
that existed scientifically inthe universe and it was based on
physics, not metaphysics.
So you know, that's an exampleof like spirit and science.
And and um, nikola Tesla saidthat he got a lot of information
(20:39):
about his theories andexperiences from the, the, a
divine spirit, and from and fromthe Akashic records.
So then I thought, okay, well,this is not that crazy, you know
.
So the Akashic records isinterdimensional, so it's like
(21:03):
records of not just what'shappened in this dimension, but
it's other dimensions as well.
Now I will say that the churchthat I used to go to was very
fundamental Christian and ofcourse, they wouldn't think or
talk anything about that, but Ithink with everyone, they have
to explore for themselves whatresonates that the Bible is very
(21:28):
is filled with lots of depth, alot of codes, a lot of like
metaphors, and so everything isnot always cut and dry.
That's why there is thatscripture, for example ask, seek
and knock and the door will beopen for you.
Because, if you think of it, adoor is a pathway to a new
(21:54):
experience and understanding.
So everyone has to kind of seekthat out for themselves.
It's a part of free will.
Everyone has to kind of seekthat out for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's a part of free will.
Elle, you need to start yourown church, the Church of Elle,
because I would join it.
I mean because you're right,like where I feel and I don't
feel alone anymore.
And I actually have anotherfriend of mine who she's right
like with me and you and I don'tfeel alone anymore because and
I actually have another friendof mine who she's right like
with me and you, uh, you and I,and she also is been, I say,
(22:30):
awakened on the spirituality ofthe world and the next dimension
and I firmly, truly believe andagree with you that we are a
dimensional species here andthat we all live in these
different dimensions.
I truly believe a lot of thethings that I learned on the
Ethereal Edge podcast, talkingto people.
(22:51):
There's no reason for them.
I mean, truth be told I'llprobably edit this out Truth be
told, we had some friends onthat.
I was like I don't know aboutthat.
We had some friends on that.
I was like I don't know aboutthat, I'm not quite there yet.
I'm not there yet, but I'm opento it.
(23:11):
I'm like, if you would ask me 20years ago, hey, you know what,
you can send a song to China andit will get there in a
nanosecond and they can listento it.
I'd be like you're out of yourmind.
What are you a witch?
You're like, you know, like,but that's what we, that's what
we do now, that's our world thatwe live in, and that's a whole
other podcast.
But yeah, I didn't know aboutthe Akashic Records until I
literally was starting toresearch when we met with you,
(23:34):
and then, when you were talkingabout it, I was like, wow, that
sounds really great.
You should have asked for thelottery numbers while you were
there.
That's what I'm like.
I'm just wondering what thelottery is going to be.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay.
So the first thing to know isthat, I would venture to say, in
about 10 to 15 years, money isnot going to be a thing any
longer.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So we don't need the lottery numbers.
And what is going to be in itsplace.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We are going to go back to egalitarian system of
kind of I wouldn't say likebarter and trade.
I don't know how to explain it,but it's more.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It's almost a sustainability.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's almost a sustainability type thing.
Yeah, it's kind of likeeverybody has what they need,
but anything above that theyjust add into the system of our
collective community.
But everybody has what theyneed and it's not something
that's earned, it's moresomething that's it's a right, a
(24:46):
human right.
So you have it.
I don't exactly know how it'sgoing to work, but that's one of
the things that I did get toldfrom a guide was that money was
going to itself go away as asystem.
Just going back to and some ofthe reasoning of that is what I
was saying about Nikola Tesla,if you think about it, what
(25:10):
stood in the way from what hewas sharing from a spiritual and
physics and engineeringperspective.
He was sharing science andspirituality and he was a very
ethical person.
So the thing that got in theway from that being spread is
money and greed.
That's what shut everythingdown.
(25:32):
We've gone through so manycycles of that where it's clear
that money and greed is anopposing force and a dark force
to a lot of good that we canachieve in the world.
So ultimately it's going to goaway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I would love that world and I look forward to it.
So what is the last thing thatyou see or that you experienced
before you come back to theother side?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Different experiences .
For example, in asking whythere were certain, why the way,
why the world was the way itwas, I saw some corruption and
some corruptive actions.
I saw some you know some ofthis like seedier things, and
(26:23):
then I would have like I wouldsee the experience, my soul
would be like, okay, that'senough.
And then all of a sudden I waspulled out of that.
Why?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
do you think they?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
showed you that, yeah , I was asking a lot of
questions like why do peoplesuffer here?
Why is this happening here you,what's going on with this?
And why is the structure theway it is?
Why is the matrix this and thatand the other?
And so I was shown thesedifferent things to answer my
question.
I was also shown things that Ididn't know that I might have.
(26:57):
Maybe it was a subconsciousquestion that I didn't really
vocalize at the time, like Ididn't know that.
Everything was conscious, likeyou know, plants.
So I was told to merge into atree other life forms, like a
lily and a fish, and experiencedyeah, I experienced not myself
(27:22):
myself, I actually was them.
So, like I lost all sense ofmyself and became the fish.
So I had like a fish mentality.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Were you underwater with as the fish and it was like
um, maybe you weren't a fish,maybe you were a mermaid, just
kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
No, no, no, I was actually I was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I was a fish.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It was like um, I was an orb that went like I
possessed the fish.
Oh okay, so, uh, so Iunderstand when people get
attachments.
Or you know, whatever.
Or the spirit is actually in anorb form, like that's actually
our soul, like right in all ofthese, you know whatever.
Or the spirit is actually in anorb form, like that's actually
our soul, like right in all ofthese, you know, in that that
(28:07):
circle, you know that's, that'swhat we are.
What's next, a light pannedaround the room, forming a
tunnel.
It was a really bright light,and then it made like a tunnel
shape and because my mindset waslike everything was okay, I
didn't think, oh, here it comes,this is the tunnel that they
(28:28):
all talk about, that, you see,you're about to cross over.
I didn't have any of thosethoughts at all.
I was just kind of, I felt likeat peace and I felt like
everything was fine either way.
And so, um, I looked at thelight and then my guide was
standing with me there, likenext to me, like we're about to
(28:50):
go somewhere, and then, all of asudden, you know, um, I was
told it wasn't my time, and thenthe light, like unpan, like you
know, reversed back around, andthat was the last thing that I
remembered, and then you woke up.
(29:10):
You remember waking up.
You know I remember a doctor.
I remember the doctor likecoming in at some point and I
had a tracheotomy and you know Istill have a the scar right
here.
So I wasn't able to speak rightaway.
But I remember feeling veryangsty when I, when I fully came
(29:32):
to and when the tracheotomy wastaken out, the doctor was
snapping his fingers in my faceand was saying you know, like
say something.
They wanted to see if my brainwas working and everything else.
And the doctor said saysomething.
And I was really irritated andI said something.
That's funny.
(29:52):
My family in the room, somebodysaid oh, she's back.
I don't remember who it wasthat said that.
And then a couple of peoplelaugh.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Now you're back and I do want to talk about this
briefly because it's reallyextraordinary, this whole thing
that where you came from all theway to where you are now and I
don't want to miss anything thenext thing that happens, you
have to learn how to walk andbasically move again.
Right, yeah, almost talk.
(30:26):
You could talk a little bit.
Walk me through that.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So I had.
I didn't know, like I saidbefore to me, nothing had
happened.
I saw the whiteboard.
You know where they write thenurses you know, information
whatever.
And it said like Octobersomething.
And I went into the hospital inAugust.
So I looked at one of my familyand I was like I think it was
(30:51):
my daughter.
I said stop playing tricks onme, you know, change the date
back.
And they said no, that's theactual date.
And I didn't believe them.
And then she's my, my apologies.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
How long were you under?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
and then she's my.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
My apologies how long were you under?
Um?
I was under for two and a halfmonths.
Well, how did I not know that?
From in my head it was like aweek or something yeah, oh my
goodness, like that's.
So that's nuts.
Imagine you go, you what you go.
It's like it's winter, you wakeup and it's summer.
I mean it feels like that itwas summer and I woke up and it
(31:29):
was like fall.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And um so, um, um, my my daughter said no, mommy,
that's the actual date.
You've been in a coma for twoand a half months.
And then I just started cryingbecause I didn't understand like
it was just hitting me, and Ilooked at my body and my I had
(31:51):
atrophy.
You know how you're you loseall your muscle tone.
So all of that, I looked downand then I started.
It started clicking.
Oh my gosh, you know I wasn'there.
Gosh, you know I wasn't here.
Then I had to recollect or makesense of the fact that I was
(32:12):
somewhere else, and these peoplein front of me are not going to
understand that.
I was perfectly okay where Iwas.
And now I'm here in thishospital.
I couldn't walk.
So I like tried to move and Iwasn't able to.
When I had the, the trach in, Iwent to try to write something
and started crying because Icouldn't write my name.
(32:34):
So I was.
It was kind of like a shock tome, like oh my gosh, what
happened?
Like why can't I write my name?
In fact I saved that firstlittle scribble, did you really?
Yeah, that's when I tried towrite my name.
And then I started realizingyou know, like how, the
(32:57):
ramification how much damage wasdone and had to go through,
learn how to walk again, learnhow to write all of these things
, and then having the PTSD fromthat too.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I was going to ask you how long do you think you
were in, how long do you thinkit took you to get back to being
able to walk normally and writeand sort of function.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, they were forcing me.
They were like you're going toget up and walk every day.
It, I would say it tookprobably.
I would say it took like maybea month or two before I could
really walk again withassistance.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And you mentioned PTSD and I read one of your
articles where you would get tothat that fall season and every
year you'd kind of get to thislike PTSD, as would your family
and your daughter like what'sgoing to happen?
Is it going to happen again?
Oh my goodness.
And then you walk me throughwhat that felt like to you now
celebrating life at that timebecause you know how far you've
(34:07):
gone.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Right.
Well, that first year, that wasdifficult because, yeah, we
were literally holding ourbreath.
My daughter was holding herbreath, I'm holding mine,
wondering if anything's going tohappen, if you know if
something's gonna like like ashoe's going to drop right
around that same time, because Ihad no treatment plan, I had no
(34:29):
resolution and things like that.
And that first year passed andokay, got through.
Okay, here comes the secondyear, the second year okay,
let's hope that it's not goingto happen and then past that
year and everything was fine.
And part of the reason isbecause people who are on life
support the statistics forpeople who live after they've
(34:56):
been on life support are verylow.
Like, most people die within ayear after being on ECMO because
of all of the damage to yourbody.
So I didn't like we wereconstantly running to the
hospital for for every littlething because I didn't know if I
was going to live a year.
You know, past a year afterbeing on ECMO, which is life
(35:18):
support, I would say, like thefirst three years was, like you
know, holding our breath rightaround that time.
But after that was then Istarted to celebrate every year.
You know that, uh, and, and my,my family, the first year they
didn't even tell me the um, thedate of my, what would have been
(35:41):
my death date, which was likeSeptember 18th I think.
So they just they kind of letit pass, but they were looking
at me funny the whole time.
And then, after the date passed, then they were like okay, yeah
, yeah, and so, like they didtell me on the date, this is the
(36:02):
date that you were supposed todie, so, but by that time it was
like later in the day, so youknow, but yeah, so, but now just
kind of celebrate, now I don'teven think about it.
The past few years that date iscoming down and I haven't even
thought about it.
Yeah, Until I brought it up.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Sorry, I'm just kidding.
Following this experience, youhad a very big spiritual
awakening.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah.
So, like I said, there was noreal treatment plan.
I felt like a lot of doctorswere afraid of me after that and
you know just, but not reallygiving any real solutions other
than keep staying medicated,which I was not into doing.
(36:49):
And so I started doing my ownresearch and I started, you know
, showing my research and saying, hey, this is a theory, I have
(37:16):
what about this?
And this is what I found and,you know, really starting to get
some respect because they weresome of them, starting to get
some respect because they weresome of them, the research I was
presenting was valid.
I started to get more supportand I started to follow through
on some of the things that I wasresearching and one of my
(37:37):
doctors said, you know, you'd bea really good doctor, you
should go into medicine.
And I was like I don't likedoctors, so, but then I said I
love the whole process ofresearching and I like the nerdy
parts.
So I said, you know, maybe it'ssomething that I would, would
(38:02):
would pursue.
And I had three doctors writeme recommendation letters for
school and then I started I'mabout to graduate in one program
this year, this fall, and Istill have more to continue to
get to the MD level, but atleast this one program will be
(38:27):
over and I'll be specialized inpharmacogenetics, which is the
first part of my path on thegenetics path.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's what I decided to go to pursue, so yeah, how
many years does it take for youto get where you need to be?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
um, it's gonna take me about three or four more
years, depending on that eightthat's wonderful, oh, that's
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's just amazing and to I mean, honestly, I my
eyes are.
I didn't know.
It was two months to go fromyour that you were supposed to
die.
They're fighting for you,literally fighting for your life
, and and then here you are.
Let's switch gears just for asecond.
What are your hopes for thefuture?
(39:23):
And you had mentioned thatwe're about to evolve into a
different type of society.
What are your hopes for thefuture and for the world?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Starting at the core of things is that people start
to realize their own personalpower.
I think that it starts there.
Everybody needs to realize thedepth of how amazing they are
and just how beautiful they areas a human being and how
powerful they are as a humanbeing, and start honoring their
(39:56):
lives that way, doing thingsthat matter and focusing our
intention on things that matter.
So if you and I do it, that'stwo of us, and then we talk to
others, then others will joinand then others and others, and
that's kind of how a societyshifts, and so that's the first
(40:17):
thing.
My hope for you know for just usas a collective in general,
know for just us as a collectivein general is that we start to
realize that we're all connectedto each other, and we're
connected in a spiritual andscientific way, like physics
wise.
We are actually connectedenergetically.
(40:37):
We're connected DNA wise aswell, and so how do you treat
the people that you're connectedto?
How do you feel about them?
How do you work together withthem?
You know, how do you bounceyour energy off of the other
person?
Those are the things that wefeel when we connect with
(40:59):
somebody who energeticallyaligns with us.
It's a real thing, it's actualenergy, and so how do we, on you
know, understanding how tohonor that and then put it into
practice in our lives?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That is exactly why I started this podcast.
I my biggest thing is I wantpeople to understand how amazing
they are, and there are somepeople out there I was one of
them back when I was younger solost and so like scared and not
knowing and and just I guess,just knowing what you just said
(41:37):
that we are all connected.
You are never alone.
If you just ask, you willreceive, and if that is help, if
that is love, if that is a hug,whatever it is, and it's like
that whole manifestation thing,but literally I feel like God,
source, alien.
Whatever you believe in, if youask, you'll get it back and
(42:00):
it's going to be okay.
I love the church of El.
I love it.
I'm not even kidding.
I want to help you write a bookbecause I love I honestly love
the way you think and I wisheveryone did Like I really
believe that if we could justtake your little brain and then
like, throw it out to theuniverse so we all get better.
(42:21):
But yeah, okay.
So I always like to end thingswith, uh, a little rapid fire,
fun questions to end on a highnote and uh, so I have a couple
of weird questions and justwhatever comes to your brain.
Here it is.
So what is your favoritecomfort food?
Cheese?
Oh, me too.
Grilled cheese, freaking fonduelove cheese very aged cheese.
(42:47):
Okay, what is your favoritesmell?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I'm just gonna say lavender, because there's so
many.
My favorite smells that I'mjust gonna say lavender love it
mine's grass.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Isn't it weird?
It reminds me of playing soccer.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I like another smell.
I love petrichor.
That is, petrichor is the scentof how dirt smells, right when
it's first starts raining.
Really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That's so crazy.
That's so crazy.
Yeah, no, mine is a fresh cutgrass.
Reminds me of playing soccerwhen I was younger.
It was my happiest, that was.
My happy place was playingsoccer.
So well, I'll thank you so muchfor coming in and being a part
of the little edgy and agelessfamily here, and I am so, of
(43:36):
course.
Yes, I'm so honored.
I love, I just love you.
You're so amazing.
Again, the church of Val.
If there's anything you want to, anything and everything about
Elle will be in the description,meaning her books, her book,
any articles she was going toshare, how to get in touch with
her.
All those things will be in thedescription and until then,
(43:57):
thank you, elle.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me, tracy,you bet, and I really appreciate
it.
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