March 18, 2025 • 54 mins
Episode 4 - Dr Paul Corona “The Doctor for Depression” discusses his ground breaking theories on ADD/ADHD, mental health awareness and the stigma around taking medications to live your authentic life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
People think mental health, they think it's not real
(00:03):
, they think it's just aweakness in your character.
You know, I have to follow mywill.
If I just try harder, you know,and then people will say, well,
is it all in my head?
I go.
Well, now some people will say,oh my gosh, that's terrible
Giving a kid a pill.
Oh my gosh, what are youkidding?
That's just a kid, you're justa kid.
What do you do?
Kid, you're just a kid.
(00:25):
What do you do with it?
Well, because it's reallyimportant that people understand
that it's not a weakness totake medication, it's actually a
the test begins.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
As you pick up your pencil, something outside
catches your eye.
Your mind wanders.
Someone tapping their shoesnaps you back to the test.
Then to the clock.
What the when did the time go?
You look down at your paperit's blank.
Suddenly it hits you.
There's no time left.
That sinking feeling hits I amgoing to fail again.
This is an example of ADDattention deficit disorder which
(00:54):
is a neurodevelopment disorderthat affects a person's ability
to focus, stay on task andregulate impulses.
This is a story Dr Corona knowsall too well.
From ADHD to anxiety,depression to bipolar disorder,
dr Corona has spent his careerhelping people, me included,
reclaim their authentic lives.
In his latest of several books,the Corona Protocol, featured
(01:18):
in the Emmy Swag Bag, and his TVshow, the Dr Corona Show, dr
Corona continues to dedicate hislife to the study and education
of neurological disorders.
Come on, how can someone who'snever experienced it truly
understand it all?
Well, dr Corona himself hasdealt with his own disorders, so
he's not just speaking as anexpert, he's speaking from
experience, raw and real.
(01:39):
Here is Dr Paul Corona.
Dr Paul Corona, I am even morethrilled to have you here and
talk about your early beginningsand how your focus was on
family medicine.
What prompted you to turn yourfocus into exploring chemical
(02:00):
imbalances, which I have?
How did you make thattransition?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, when I first started in uh, in in even
medical school, I didn't knowexactly what I wanted to do.
I thought initially pediatrics,I thought at some point OBGYN,
I just didn't know.
And so I basically chose familypractice.
Because I just didn't know, Ilike psychiatry, I like I like a
bunch of things, and so Ithought, well, let me, the
family practice sounds like it'sgood, because it would give me
(02:25):
a broad range of things to dealwith.
And so that's why I chose anddid three-year training on that.
I started practice in 1992.
And you know I love being afamily doctor, but you know I
was always really interested inpsychiatry and mental health and
during the 90s I, uh, I justgot more and more into it.
(02:46):
A lot of it I mean one you knoweveryone's heard of ssri is
like zoloft, lexocrocovac, um.
That's all they had availablewhen I first started practice.
And then a brown breakingmedication came out called
effector um, the first actuallyserotonin and norepinephrine
medication, not just serotonin.
And that's when I reallystarted to see like, wait a
(03:09):
minute, what's going on here?
Because I started to see betterresults with anxiety.
It was stress, and I also sawphysical changes.
So I started seeing my patientssaying you know, my headache, my
neck, my back, my shoulders, mystomach, my all those that,
those things I used to have whenI was stressed out, it had gone
away.
So I started seeing thisphysical link and I think as a
(03:29):
family doctor I was seeing thatwhere maybe a lot of maybe
psychiatrists don't didn't seethat because because they're not
really focusing on the body,the physical stuff like we did,
we do and most family doctorsdon't get really as into it as
me, so they don't get have asmuch experience.
So I, during the 90s I just didmore and more and more of this.
I started understanding it, howto combine medications together
(03:52):
.
A lot of it was justself-taught.
I read psychiatric textbooks, II tried to learn as much as I
could about what I was doing.
But I then I realized you knowafter about a decade of practice
that you know that I was doingso much more of this than
regular primary care.
And that's when I made thedecision around the year 2000 to
2002, right in that range toswitch my practice over and kind
(04:16):
of give up on primary care andmove full time to mental health.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So many of us deal with mental health.
For me personally it was, youknow, anxiety, and your help
with me personally has beenamazing.
And then you know, I don't knowif we're going to go into the
ADHD, but I also have that too.
And you know how many timesI've said to you a thousand
times, I don't want to take itand then I'll stop taking, you
(04:42):
know, my Adderall.
I have a low dose and I'llstart something new and I'll
come running back to you becauseyou know things are starting to
go haywire and you're like,well, what did you do this time,
tracy?
I tried NeuroGum and it's partlybecause I feel like a drug
(05:02):
addict.
Just, you know, I hate thatfeeling of having to take
something and if you could justwalk us through the way you
explained it to me, I loved whenyou said it to me and again, I
just went through this with you.
I stopped taking it because I'mlike I'll try some homeopathic
medicine, because every time Igo to the pharmacy I feel like
they're giving me the side eyeand it feels poopy.
(05:24):
So I want you to walk through,if you could, how you explain
what the mind does with thechemicals.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, usually what I do with a patient, I draw
diagrams of neurons, I explain,like how neurochemicals cross
over the cell to cell, you know.
But I think the main issuereally here is that people don't
take.
When people think mental health, they think, uh, it's not real.
They think it's it's just aweakness in your character.
You know I have on her will ifI just tried harder, you know.
(05:56):
And then people say, well, isit all my head?
I go well, what's in your headis not your, where your brain is
.
Well, yeah, it's in your brain.
Well, no, no, I mean, is it allin my head?
Meaning is, am I just making itup or am I just being weak?
No, no, it's a medical problem.
But see, it doesn't, since wedon't have blood tests.
So if someone had a thyroidcondition or diabetes or
whatever, you do blood tests andshow it to them, they go okay,
I'll take my thyroid supplementand I'll do this.
(06:18):
People don't have a problemwith it because it's even more
medical.
Now, when it comes to people,people think it's just not the
same and what doesn't help?
The situation is likepodcasters, not you, but I mean
I heard a.
I heard a small clip from Idon't listen to joe rogan, but I
heard a small clip of his thatsomeone sent me and he's tired
(06:38):
he's he had a doctor on who hadadd and so he's going off about
add medications.
Oh, I think it's horrible.
The and the doctor stopped me.
But wait a minute, I'm on one.
He had a doctor on who had ADDand so he's going off about ADD
medications.
Oh, I think it's horrible.
And the doctor stops him andgoes wait a minute, I'm on one.
And Joe stops and he said well,oh, really.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then you have the child raising their hand, and
then you have everyone clappingand you have the child with a
big smile on their face andyou've medicated your child to
be a successful and integratedperson in society.
Shall I spot off about ADHD fora minute.
Yes, please.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
That was my first book on ADHD.
It's the American Scattered orScattered Minds, depending on
which edition you get, and thatwas after I was diagnosed with
it myself in my 50s.
What does it mean ADHDs?
What does it mean ADHD?
Yeah, what is it exactly?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Is it real?
Oh, it's real.
He said oh, it doesn't make youwired, he goes.
No, I calmed the brain down.
No, it helped.
And then Joe said, okay, andthe other thing that created
anxiety, oh, but are we allanxious, don't we all have
stress?
So the problem is belittling the, the condition with someone
like as powerful as he is, withthat far of a reach, or like a
(07:50):
jack tatum, who's like thismacho dude with the podcast and
all that.
These kind of people, and evennot just not just them, but also
other, you know, kind ofmainstream people, just don't
get it.
And so the people feel shamedabout it and, like you said, and
pharmacies don't help becausepeople say they look at me kind
of funny, like, why do you needAdderall?
You are you taking this forweight loss or whatever?
(08:13):
So pharmacists make it moredifficult because they shame
people.
Um, you know, and so I don't.
It's understandable why you,why you would do this, try you,
try NeuroGamgam, you try focusfactor.
People get on supplements ofsome type.
Do some of them work a littlebit?
Yeah, I mean they could.
They can help somewhat.
You know they they help alittle bit.
Not as well as the prescriptionones.
(08:33):
No way, no, but they do help alittle bit, but sometimes it's
just a matter of yeah, but don'tyou want something that's going
to work better?
And and the fact that somemedication, yeah, so what?
You know, people takemedication for a lot of things.
Why not?
I think, once I explain it, andI explain that the
neurochemical got a balance forreasons you have no control over
, um you know, which have alsocaused anxiety, which is the
(08:55):
number one thing I see in mypractice is anxiety disorders.
It's all based on imbalancesthat you can't help.
Now, why do they happen in thefirst place?
Genetics, number one runthrough your family.
So if we, if I look intopeople's families history mom,
dad, one, probably your mom oryour dad I don't have your chart
in front of you, but probablyone of them has add, you may not
know who, but one of themprobably does.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Um, one or both of them, maybe one of them has an
anxiety issue my mom was bipolaranxiety and obviously she was
probably the person who passedit down to me.
But also, you know, I thinkyou're going to probably go into
it but trauma is also isn'tthat a base of the adhd as well?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
right and you're not bipolar, I mean, and you got
perfection out here, you foryour dad's side, you know so you
don't get everything, but youget a little bit from mom, a
little bit from dad, and both oftheir sides.
And then second factor ishormone changes.
So some women especially willsee problems like a lot of
problems start of puberty,middle school, pre, premenstrual
, postpartum, menopause, youknow so men, women have a little
(09:59):
bit of rougher.
We have, you guys have morehormonal changes during your
life than men do.
And then trauma, stressors, sosometimes trauma it's the scale,
then sets things off.
Um, so, uh, so, yeah, so thereasons that happens, you have
no, you can, no one can controlthat, um, so I, I think it.
I think it's really importantthat people understand that it's
(10:23):
not a weakness to takemedication.
It's actually a strength, thefact that you can stand up and
really treat the disorder theway it should be treated.
You know.
But people have difficultybecause no one wants to take a
pill.
Everyone wants to take natural,all natural supplements and
vitamins and they think, well,if pharmaceutical, I want to
stay away from the pharmacy, Iwant to just do it through a
(10:43):
supplier or through the healthfood store or whatever you know
well, someone was asking me whatis it like when you take the
medication, when you don't takethe medication, and I likened it
to, there's this superhero thatcan hear everything and he
cannot go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know the name of the superhero, but when
you're not taking it, everythingyou can, it feels like you can
feel and hear everything, andwhen the superhero goes to sleep
he has to go underwater, so itblocks it out, and so it kind of
feels like that.
It blocks everything out exceptwhat you're focusing on.
It's like there's a protectivebubble around you.
(11:24):
And this is how I feel and youcan tell me, if you've heard
from other clients and you'reable to focus those the bells
ringing, the lights, theeverything is not stealing my
focus, the squirrel, and whenI'm trying all these homeopathic
things like NeuroGum orwhatever, that there's no bubble
.
There might be a small haze,maybe it, like you said, it
(11:46):
works a little bit, but I cantell when I'm using the
medication because and I take asmall dose, my I remember when
you first got me started on it,one of my teachers was like wow,
you're looking at me and I waslike what do you mean?
She goes when you talk.
You're just not looking atanyone.
You don't like it feels likeyou're not listening because
(12:06):
you're thinking of a thousanddifferent things and she's like
what's, what's going on?
I started this medication andit's.
It was life changing for me toget it's.
It's.
It's in no wonder that I have Ihave a company, because it was
later in life that I actuallywas diagnosed with ADHD.
I guess it's the hyper focusthat we have as ADHDers that are
a superpower.
But back to what you weresaying about Joe Rogan I just
(12:28):
wanted to throw back.
I'm actually a big fan of JoeRogan.
People forget to walk in otherpeople's shoes and I'm guilty of
that as well.
My man, he didn't believe inmental illness.
He had never experienced it, sohe couldn't understand it, and
so he was one along that line oflike that's ridiculous, get
(12:51):
over it, get strong.
Until he had a surgery and hehad a full blown anxiety attack
and he had a couple and hiswhole, like his whole
perspective changed.
He was like it felt like I wasdying and his whole perspective
changed.
He was like it felt like I wasdying, like I was being
smothered to death.
It was the most horriblefeeling.
(13:12):
I go imagine what some peopledeal with.
When they deal with that everyday, he's like I couldn't
imagine.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Then he got it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, what are some of the challenges in a
relationship?
I can tell you what mychallenges have been, but what
would you say challenges are ina relationship with people who
have ADHD.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I think, communication, I think what you
mentioned just a little bit agois listening skills.
So a lot of times with ADD,it's people interrupt or they
just see a thought comes ahead,boom, it comes out without
sitting back, and then let mejust wait for that person to
finish what that says and then Ican talk.
It's just boom that thecommunication can be more
(13:51):
difficult.
What do the?
Well, let's talk about thefeatures core, focus and
concentration.
You know that one easydistractibility, like you said,
squirrel, you know you.
You know the teacher's talking,there's a bird flying out the
window over there and thenthey're looking at the trees and
the teacher's talking over hereand just not even really hardly
listening because they're, youknow, just focused on other
(14:11):
things besides what they're, youknow, or people at their desk
and they're trying to work onsomething, and then they get
distracted so easily.
Just easily distracted is avery common one Impulsiveness,
doing things impulsively withoutthinking, and so these are the
features.
And again, the main reason isgenetics, like I told you, and
(14:37):
so it's challenging sometimes ina relationship, but the main
thing is the communicating andthe other person, the non-ADD
person, you know, just gettingvery frustrated.
You know why can't you justlisten or look me in the eye
when you're talking, or whatever, but that's, that's probably
the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What would you give as advice to a couple that one
has the ADHD, one does not,because it is incredibly
frustrating and communication isthe foundation of all
relationships.
What would be your advice?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Read about it, understand it, you know?
So then not.
Well, both people need tounderstand, not both of the
people who have really doesn'tthink it's moderate, really
understanding and so readingabout it.
I mean, I in my new book, theCurrent Protocol, I have a whole
chapter on it on ADD.
So if someone wants to delveinto it and understand it, I
(15:26):
talk about three different casesin that the whole new book is
30 original short stories, sothree out of the 30 stories are
on ADD.
It's also in my first threebooks I talk about ADD.
So just really, I think, moreeducation, understanding, maybe
understanding your partner andand what he or she goes through,
and I think that's that's themain thing is just learning
(15:48):
about it and it's anunderstanding I think that's
your next book, dr corona is isrelationships and adhd, because
it's a it's a?
there are books about that there.
There are specific books aboutrelationships with ADHD.
I haven't written them, butthere are books out there.
So that's me fighting out abook.
(16:09):
I can't remember the author ofit.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I've read a few and they are very eye-opening and
informational and educational interms of how to navigate
through a relationship withsomebody who has ADHD, because
it is incredibly frustrating.
I know that because I'm theperson who's doing it, so I've
had to educate myself on, youknow, better communication and,
sorry, but taking my medication,like my man knows.
(16:32):
He says have you been takingyour medication?
And I get so mad.
I'm like I'm taking neuro gumand it can remind you the case.
And yeah, yeah, he's like is itworking?
I don't know if it is and I getreally mad and they'll call you
hi, it's me again.
Speaking of your book, I'd liketo walk through your book, uh,
the corona protocol yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I mean backing up to when I first started writing,
so going back to 2000 to 2002,when I turned into my practice.
At the time I was thinking youknow, why aren't other doctors
seeing this?
Why?
Why am I not seeing primarycare doctors doing this and why
am I not seeing psychiatriststhis?
Supposedly this was aspecialist doing things the way
(17:14):
I'm doing it.
You know the way I've learnedhow to do things.
I don't see other doctors doingit.
So I thought you know, I needthis, I need to start putting
this on cable.
Who's going to believe somefamily doctor about this subject
unless I write a book?
So I just set out to write abook and after four years and
800 pages I thought, okay, thisis too much for one book, so I'm
going to split it into twobooks.
(17:34):
So I thought, okay, this is one, this is two.
So then I released the one andthen I started working on more
on the two and then by the endof another three or four years I
was up to another 800 pages onbook two.
So okay, we'll split that.
And then now it's book three.
So I basically just keptwriting for 12 years to release
those three books.
It took a little short breakfrom writing and then I thought
(17:56):
what do I want to do now in mycareer?
I love practice.
I want to keep that.
I want to do now in my career.
I love practice.
I want to keep that.
I want to teach.
I think the need out there isfor doctors to learn about this
subject and they're not gettingthe training they need to get
from their reading or whatever.
So I thought I'm going to setup a training course.
So I wrote two smaller booksthat haven't been released yet
(18:19):
that I'm probably going torelease in the next year or so
for doctors Well, actuallydoctors, there's physician
assistants, nurse practitioners,focus on primary care.
I love syphagists.
I also read it to understand.
Read the two books, and thenI'm going to set up a training
course.
So then I thought you know nowwhat I want to write another
book.
I want to write one more bookand that's it.
(18:40):
And I thought you know I wantto make this one different.
I want to make this one aboutstorytelling.
People love reading aboutstories, and so that was just a
whole different concept workingwith my editor, trying to figure
out the chapters and all that,the makeup of the book, and then
I just started going at it andit took me about four years to
(19:01):
finish this one.
And so the concept, well, thefront of the book.
And then I just started goingat it and it took me about about
four years to finish this one.
And so the concept, well, thefront protocol, basically, is
what I do.
The protocol is really the wayI've learned how to do things,
my methods in a sense.
And then I thought, you know, Ithe crazy subtitle a
scientifically proven medicalsolution to stop addiction,
bullying, homelessness, schoolshootings and suicide 30, 30
(19:24):
years in the making.
Uh, so then I thought, you know, I want to put something on the
cover that's going to pop out,so people will like what, and I
wanted to.
I wanted to choose subjectsthat are, you know, they're
really topical today and all ofthose are usually topical.
Addiction, for us, everyone'stalking about addiction nowadays
.
Bullying is a huge thing.
Homelessness we dare about thatand we see it all the time.
(19:45):
School shooting we've had whata couple of the last week or two
.
You know.
Um, suicide, you know,obviously the worst outcome for
patient with mental health issue.
So I thought I'm gonna.
I put those five on there justbecause I thought this was gonna
be the.
You know the.
The core of the and so that'skind of the middle of the book
is talking about those things.
(20:06):
What I do in this book I talkabout a subject that starts with
anxiety disorder, that I talkabout depression, bipolar eating
disorders, schizophrenia.
I talk about a myriad of thingsPTSD and what I do is I talk
about a subject briefly and acouple, maybe two or three pages
worth, and then I log into thestory and I know the book it's
(20:27):
storytelling.
Then section five of the bookis I tell my story.
Then section six, I kind oftell about some of the
difficulties that I've gonethrough personally and the
struggles I've gone through andI've made it to the other side.
So that's basically the core ofwhat the book's about.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'd love to talk about your personal journey,
like the struggles that you had.
Is that something you can talkabout?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't know if I want to ruin the book for people
who haven't read it yet.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Okay, so I'm going to give people a small snippet,
like a commercial, and let themknow that you've had your own
struggles.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I take medications too.
I have my own, yeah, and I tellabout that.
I tell the whole story inSection six of my book.
Someone wants to read all theins and outs of what I went
through and how I kind of gotthrough that.
So I kind of want, I wanted toput that section in because,
even though it's difficult totalk about those things, I
thought hopefully people canrelate to that and say, look,
(21:26):
even the guy who treats this up,even he.
That's why it's like there's noreason for stigma, there's no
reason to be ashamed about thisstuff.
I'm not ashamed of what I ateat home.
So that's why I put thatsection in.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think it's important and to give the
audience just a little snippet,you had your own breakdown, is
that correct?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, and you go through and you tell the story
and how you got to the otherside and I think it's a really
great story.
It's again one of the thingsthat made me fall in love with
Dr Corona and come to youroffice.
You were so authentic aboutyour own journey and your own
struggles and how you got to theother side and how you take
medication.
It just made me feel so muchbetter.
(22:12):
I think that reading your bookand these stories will make
anyone who has any of thesemental disorders because it will
make them feel like they're notalone.
You are not alone.
That's why I love you so muchis because you truly make
patients feel like they're notalone and that there is help and
(22:33):
that you're not ridiculous.
But I do want to say can you gointo a little bit of?
I personally have children atmy studio that deal with
bullying.
What are you talking about inthe bullying?
And you say solution to stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I think, just recognizing it.
I think the story I talk aboutis a family and the daughter is
bullied at school as well as theson is bullied at school.
The mom is bullied at theschool board meeting, but she
has very strong views that areopposed to some of the other
people in the community.
(23:08):
And so, just basically, withbullying, that you're not alone
and also you need to stand up toit.
And if you need to get help,it's not weak to get a teacher
or the principal and tell themthat what's going on here, that
you know someone needs to stepin and stop this.
You know, or the bullies,currency to be notified, or
(23:30):
something you know and you know,I, I, in my, I stopped short of
saying that if someone wants tofight you, that you fight back.
Well, that's an option, is, uh,is fighting it out.
But I, you know, rather thanthat, I think, um, I think just
being aware that it's so commonand again, just really more,
it's mostly, you know, trying tofind people who listen to the
(23:52):
person and saying that you know,I'm very uncomfortable with
this and you know, and I mean,of course, the victim can try to
avoid the bully as much as theycan, but if it's at a school,
they can only avoid it for solong, right.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And now throw in social media where you in the
old days, when we were younger,you could go home and it's done.
But it continues, sometimes onsocial media.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And then social media .
I mean there's so much shamingand bullying on social media
sites and you know, and it'sjust a, I mean social media and
very you know there's good partsof it, obviously people
communicating and all that butyou know, there's a lot of
negative, a lot of negativity.
There's a lot of um toxicitythat goes on, and with young
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people too, it's been.
If they spend too much time onthere and it's just a lot of
wasted time, they should be outand um, but yeah, a lot of that,
a lot of that happensthroughout, you know, and again,
in the end, um, at a nationallevel too is, you know, with
politicians and this and that, Imean it was just bullying is
just, you know, so common.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It doesn't go away.
It's so crazy Like I wasexplaining to the kids and like
I'm going to say somethingthat's probably not going to be
very popular, but I do thinkthat the bullying word is kind
of thrown around at some point.
It was a little bit too much.
I'm like people are going tohave disagreements.
However, when it becomesoverbearing and constant, yes,
(25:23):
it's bullying, and I think Idon't know if you know who
Patrick Bet-David is.
I was listening to his podcastand he was talking about how he
only lets his kids get on to.
I guess his kids don't havecell phones they're the only
ones that don't and he's verystrict about how much social
interaction they have online,and I think that that's where it
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starts.
I actually think that kidsshouldn't have cell phones.
If they need to get in touchwith them, they give them a
pager.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I agree, I agree.
And then this is a conversationat school, sue, where they know
that a lot of parents take thisbig phone away when they're in
class, but otherwise they'regoing to be sitting with the
pager on their phone layingaround the away when they're in
class, but otherwise they'regonna be sitting with the
teacher on their phone layingaround the phone when they're
supposed to be listening to theteacher.
There's a lot of that.
And then the parents' argumentis like, well, what, if they
need something, they need to beable to call me.
It's like, okay, well, they cango to the office and really,
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just, there's other ways ofdoing it so that you know than
that.
And so, uh, yeah, I agree thatthat's just good parenting.
I think it's just if you justlet them.
Same thing, like with videogames.
Mostly that's a guy thing, butuh, with video games, you know,
just limbing, it is okay, youcan do it for a half hour, or do
you do for an hour?
Then you gotta get yourhomework done and then, or if
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you get your homework done, thenI'll give you an hour, but
that's it.
You know that you know justthis, and on the weekend or
whatever, just to smart them out.
And don't you know so many kidsare sitting there all day,
every day, eight hours and hoursand hours doing video games.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know, it's not healthy, it's not healthy and I
was talking to somebodyyesterday that, um, you know
kind of had a rough childhood.
And here's my biggest takeawayon what I've seen as somebody
who is in the child industrylike I, I have a performing arts
center, I'm an after-schoolprogram I have seen kids do so
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much better because they arepart of something bigger than
themselves.
After-school programs should befunded by the state.
I 1,000% believe and it's myunderstanding nowadays that it's
not really funded very well andyou have to have a lot of money
to be in a football team.
And when I was younger, growingup in foster care, I lived from
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my after-school programs.
That's where I had connection.
And I really believe that if yougive kids connection not on the
internet, outside, playingfootball, playing chess, doing
it as birdwatching, whatever itis they're a part of something
bigger than themselves.
They are a part of a community,they're part of a team and
maybe we would see lessshootings and bullying and stuff
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like that, because you're notleft to your own defenses.
What we're all going to, youknow, listen.
If we're on the Internet, we'regoing to go to the things when
you're younger that are, youknow, maybe spooky or weird or
you know, horror shows, and ifyou're out and about, you don't
get that option, it's just notthere.
If you're out and about, youdon't get that option, it's just
not there.
So I mean, obviously there's afine line, which you probably
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know, between overdoing it withyour kids, with activities every
day, all day, every second ofthe day, then having something
at least twice a week to go toto be a part of, and that's why,
growing up, I played football,since I was young, and I played
chess, of course, you did.
You're a big guy.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Speaking of chess, I was a ranked.
I was in tournaments as thoughI loved chess or not.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Really, that's so awesome.
Of course you're smart, tall.
It's great.
This is not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And reading.
I mean I've read probablyhundreds of books.
I've been to have a readersince I was young and so I I'm,
I'm on a book now I'm on pagelike 520 of a 900 something page
book right now.
Um, but I'm, I'm always.
I mean, I'm even right in latein the evening when I'm home I
read, you know, I watch a littlepv and then I slap, I go, you
(29:07):
know enough tv one shows enoughor whatever, and then I, I read,
you know, and and so so, yeah,and I think back then, you know,
we used to go out and play.
And now people say, yeah, butit's not as safe nowadays.
Good point, you know you don'twant your kids outdoors in
unsafe areas and supervised.
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You know there's alwaysdangerous sports out there,
criminals.
But I think it's just when Igrew up, it was just back in,
just a up, it was just back.
There's a healthier environmentback then, back in the 70s and
in the 80s, during college, wasthat things were just like a
different.
It was a different back then,you know, we didn't have all
these modern stuff we have nowand I think it was just
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healthier the internet is agreat thing in moderation, like
anything right I wanted to goback to.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Let me go back to your book for a second.
What role does theneurochemical imbalances play in
the challenges highlighted inyour book?
How can they be effectivelytreated?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I do talk about that in the book, a lot of
medications.
I talk about that also in myfirst book, probably more detail
in my first books, my firstbooks.
Obviously probably more detailin my first books, um, but but
yeah, I think so basically, youknow, if someone can visualize
this.
So the whole nervous system,the brains, the center, is
composed of over a hundredbillion nurse.
They're called neurons and theyconnect, they, they communicate
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through spaces, um, and, andchemicals are traveling from
cell to cell around the systemabout a thousand times a second.
The spaces in between the cellswe call synapses.
There's over a hundred trillionof those in your body, and so
the problem is where thechemicals are passing from cell
to cell.
There are little holes calledreceptors that allow the
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chemicals to travel from onecell into the next cell, and
that's what's supposed to happenis a one-way transmission of
these chemicals.
What happens in the cell isthese holes become, they get get
leaky, so you get leaky holes.
They become like almost liketwo-way valves instead of one
way.
So that way sometime that goesforward.
Sometimes they go back and gobackwards.
So that's the problem.
(31:12):
So when we, when we sayneurochemical imbalances, that's
what I mean the chemicals inthe nervous system going out of
balance.
That's what that's the problem.
So when we say neurochemicalimbalances, that's what I mean
the chemicals in the nervoussystem going out of balance.
That's what that means.
So how do we fix it?
Well, what we do is we fix theleaks.
So it really is about workingon the cell membrane of the cell
and fixing the problem at thesource of the problem.
So it's not a lack of chemicals.
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So people have this notion thatI'm going to boost my serotonin
and are going to boost mydopamine.
I guess, in the sense, you'reboosting it forward, yes, but
it's not adding chemicals to thesystem that aren't there.
Medications are actually tryingto fix the problem and then,
which basically forces thechemicals to move only the one
way they're supposed to move,ideally, and not go the wrong
way.
(31:53):
So that's what they're, thatmedications are about and that's
why there's, you know, they'renot addictive.
They're not, you know, becausethey are.
They're just fixing a problemand, and I think, like I said,
there's a lot of things inmedicine that we fix with
medications.
You know, sometimes thyroidblood pressure, you know, you
know a lot of things out there.
We're fixing a problem that thebody just doesn't fix on its
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own.
In the case of some of thesethings like blood pressure,
cholesterol, then we can dealwith some pretty serious things
stroke, heart attack.
When we don't treatneurochemical imbalances, then
you're dealing with persistentanxiety, persistent depression,
add, untreated dysfunction,people not performing well at
work, getting fired because theboss said you're not performing
(32:37):
up to par.
You know you're not.
Your peers are producing morethan you are because the person
not treating their ADD.
So how are they supposed tokeep up with someone who doesn't
have ADD if they can treat it?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
If I can say for listeners who don't have ADHD
but might be in a relationshipwith somebody who does what I'm
getting from.
What you just said, which isabsolutely amazing, is, say, you
have a leaky boat and you'resitting there trying to scoop
out the water because you haveholes in the boat.
And you're scooping out thewater with the narrow gum, with
all these other things, but thento try to fix the actual boat
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to plug those holes.
That's what the medication is.
Is that kind of like whatyou're talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I like the boat one that's the new one for me.
Yeah, the boat's good.
I use the shower.
Now I say, if you're taking ashower and all of a sudden the
water pressure comes down,you're like what's going on?
You look down in the faucet,the big leak coming out of the
faucet.
Well, what do you do?
Well, you know you can't fixthat.
But then you got to realize,okay, I got to fix what's going
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on at the faucet.
There there's a leak going onthere.
If you don't fix the leakyou're going to still have
problems with the water.
And so I say what medication todo?
They go right to that leak,they fix the leak at the faucet
and all of a sudden you do that.
All of a sudden the water'spressure, if you fix boat water,
(33:57):
stops going into the boat to beable to have to scoop it out.
Why are you scooping it out?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Why don't you just focus on fixing that dang leak
Primarily.
I've been asking you questionssort of from the adult
perspective.
As far as kids and ADHD, do youfeel like there are people out
there that might be either Amisdiagnosing and what are your
thoughts on kids taking?
It's a lot to wrap your headaround, I know, on these
medications Because I wish I,when I was younger, I would have
had it, because it probablywould have saved me a lot of
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trauma.
But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, I mean, it depends on the training.
I mean, as family doctors,we're trained to treat it.
Tea attritionists are supposedto treat it.
Some of them don't.
Now you obviously have to go tosomeone who's trained to know
how to do what they're doing.
Part of the reason I wanted toset up a training course is for
that very reason, that doctorsneed more training.
They need to know more, and somy goal is to try to teach as
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much as I can.
But see, add has nothing to dowith intelligence, so it has to
do with focus.
And so some people are highlyintelligent, but they just can't
take the intelligence and makeit, you know, make it translate
into the grades or at a worklevel, work performance.
But so some kids can skate byokay for a while because of
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their natural intelligence andtheir work ethic.
So then at some point you know,it gets more difficult, whether
it's middle school, high school, college, grad school, whatever
.
The more you go in the school,the more difficult it gets, the
more the more challenging andbecome for an ad person.
Now some people will say, oh mygosh, that's terrible giving a
kid a pill.
Oh my gosh, what are youspinning?
(35:29):
That's just a kid, you're justa kid.
What do you do it?
Well, because you really wantthat person you know suffering
through their boy.
Do they ever be frustratedthroughout their school
experience?
You know, and if you can givethem someone, and what's this?
What's established?
As far as starting point, most,most experts, will say the
(35:50):
youngest they would give isprobably around seven years old
or so.
Some go that's five or sixyears old, because it's pretty
apparent, usually at a young age, you have add, and then some
will say the argument is low.
Well, the kids are hyper anyway.
So you're just going to take ahyper kid and just zone them out
?
No, that's not the point.
Uh, we're not taking away thepersonality of person and if we
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are, if we're blunting apersonality, you know that's the
wrong.
Medication is too high of a dose.
You you have to watch theappetite of a kid.
You don't want to dose it toohigh where they're growing and
they need to gain their appetite.
But medicating kids, I thinkit's hugely important and I have
so many patients and familieswho are grateful because all of
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a sudden everything turns aroundfor this kid, you know, um, and
confidence improves.
And there's also been shownstatistically if you don't treat
add to the higher chance ofdrug addiction later in life, a
higher chance of getting introuble, because you do think
that, possibly, and so now we'redealing with you know.
So that's why I think you youtreat it whenever you diagnose
(36:54):
it and you just keep treating it.
And people will say until when?
Well, until when you want it.
And you just keep treating itand people will say until when?
Well, until when do you want tostop?
Do you want to stop it when yougo to work?
Oh, no, I can stop it nowbecause I'm not going to school
anymore.
Well, okay, but aren't yougoing to get a job?
Yeah, yeah, but don't you needit when you're working?
Well, maybe, okay, good, so,okay, when can I stop it now?
(37:18):
Well, when are you retiring?
Um, no time, real soon.
Okay, we'll take it till youretire and then we'll talk again
about it.
Then then you retire and sayyou know you can stop it if you
don't have any work to focus on.
But some people say you know, Ijust feel so good when I take it
, I just feel better.
It is more get done than justwork and school.
There's other stuff to do too,but, um, but, yeah, but that's
basically that the controversy.
That shouldn't be.
(37:38):
Well, it's a controlledsubstance.
So, oh my gosh, you're gonnaget a controlled substance, yeah
, you know.
Do you want to treat themproperly?
Do you want to treat them inthe best way with the, with the
best type of treatment?
Sure, absolutely, you know.
I mean, I can go on about ad,because it's a topic I'm
passionate about, you know,because it's way, way
underdiagnosed and people willsay the opposite.
(38:00):
People say it's overdiagnosed.
Too many people are takingthese things wrong.
The government might say thatthat's why the government is
trying to control the production.
That's up, but absolutely not.
I think it's way underdiagnosed.
I think way more people thathave it that don't treat it than
actually a food area.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, there's a stigma, you know.
That's probably why they're not.
I'm with you, I agree with youand, to go to your point earlier
about a kid suffering, I workwith children half of 20, 30
years now and I, you know, partof the reason why I think my
studio does so well is thatwe're very involved with trying
to help Everyone's a snowflake,you know, at our studio and we
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try to teach, treat each childdifferently because they have
different wants and needs.
One of those things is watchingkids suffer when they, you know
, and we have lines, you know, Ido musical theater, they, you
can see somebody who is verysmart but just can't focus.
And I've seen kids go from.
You know, they can't get a leadbecause they can't memorize the
(39:01):
lines, but they try, and thensuddenly something will change
and the parent will come to meand say, okay, I just want to
let you know that we're tryingthis new medication, you know,
can you please give us somefeedback?
And I'm like, absolutely, andI'll say, wow, jimmy Sally, they
are focused, they're, you know,and they're, and it makes me
want to cry.
It's like they're not suffering,they're, they're, they're
(39:28):
living the life that they should, that they can, and they're
going to flourish.
And you know, is it foreveryone?
Maybe not.
There's no reason for the uh,the interruptions, the constant
talking, talking, the notraising the hand, the, the
running all over the place, it's.
It's like wow, and I'm like I.
I get to the point where Ialmost have to say, if you're
not gonna help me and give mesome tools, I gotta let you go.
(39:49):
I that you're hurting the otherchildren in the class, and now
that's hurting that poor child.
Does that make sense at all?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
you're right and that , and that's the challenge with
parents is, you know, feeling,you know just like you're not
being a bad parent by treatingit's not their fault.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
It's not their fault.
Yeah, you know.
Oh, they don't.
They're.
You're not wrong, you're not an, you're not an a-hole because
you want to go get your kid abetter life.
On another note, now stoptalking, because I keep talking
again.
I'm also passionate about ittoo, dr Corona.
But my nephew?
He has diabetes, and he wasdiagnosed at seven years old.
(40:26):
He ended up in the hospital.
He has to take this insulinevery day, he has to wear a
thing, and his life is betternow.
Isn't that the same, though?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Absolutely See, people think that's different
because that's a real matter asa problem with blood tests.
So people will think that'sreal.
This AD is not real and you'regiving a kid a controlled
substance.
That's terrible.
No, it's not.
Kids already growing upcomparing to other kids, already
(40:58):
growing up comparing to otherkids and, and so they sometimes
feel, feel less than becausethey say how come I can't do as
well as these?
I thought I'm as smart as theyare.
How come I can't perform theway well?
Because you, you know, you'renot able to.
It's just not possible and so,um, so it just it's huge.
Growing up is self-esteem.
No, you know, you don't havegosh, being that this causes a
lot of problem in life.
Um, and so, yeah, so they, forevery reason.
(41:20):
There's no good reason not toaccept that again.
People, heracles will talk toother karens, they'll go online,
they'll look stuff up, you know, you know they'll look up.
Oh, that's side effects ofthings not focusing on the
benefit but focusing on what thegovernment is saying, and the
side effects are and, um, youknow, and so they, you know,
just focus on the wrong thingsand get, and you get sidetracked
(41:42):
instead of on the internet.
Why don't you go to a doctoryou trust who treats this, and
the doctor can tell you the insand outs of what to look for,
what side effects to watch, or.
I can do that in a much betterway than someone trying to
research you on their own andtrying to like figure it out on
their own, which is fine you can, you can research, but you got
to watch what you read, becauseyou know what people get the
wrong.
(42:02):
There's three sources ofinformation.
I I tell people it's kind of afunny thing that there's three.
I tell three first sources ofinformation you never, you never
get medically.
Number one internet.
Internet's terrible source ofmedical information.
There's so much of medicalinformation.
There's so much misinformation.
There's, there's, there's this,and now they're saying the
completely different thing.
Well, which one of those isright?
(42:23):
So there's a lot of opinion,there's a lot of governmental
nonsense, and so I tell peopleif you want to get medical
advice from the attorney, go onthere.
Um.
The second is family andfriends.
You know, is that really thebest story?
I didn't know.
The third is pharmacists.
You know, you, you want to getyour medical admission to
pharmacists?
Absolutely not, because they'renot clinicians, they don't
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prescribe, they don't understand.
They'll just, they'll just giveyou negativity, like
pharmacists will do, and sothat's it.
So where?
And so what does that have?
Where's what's left after thosethree?
Um, the expert, maybe, or thedoctor that you know, that you
trust?
That's the person you getinformation from.
I, I've treated the add for over30 years.
I can tell you the ins and outsof it.
(43:03):
I can tell you the side effectsto watch for.
I can tell you why that is toohigh of a dose, why you need to
lower it.
Whatever I, I can help withthat.
You know it.
But because I do it, I and Isee the results constantly and
um, so, and that's much bettersource of information than
anything else.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
At the end of the day , I know parents just they want
the best for their kids and soyou're right.
Sometimes misinformation willbring you down the wrong path of
trying to give that great lifeto their children.
So I think it's amazing thatyou're starting a teaching
program.
Talk to us a little bit aboutthe teaching and the program
course that you're going to bestarting.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah.
So basically my focus is goingto be on primary care doctors.
There's a lot of physicianassistants or practitioners,
family doctors, pediatricians,anyone who is able to treat
these conditions.
So my idea is to do somethingvery unique and never been done
before.
So an online training program,meaning that, ok, let's say, for
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example, I get a new patientand I find Maybe I screen, make
sure it's a good teaching face,make sure it's an interesting
face.
So basically what I do is havethe person come online with
whoever else is online with meand I think, a history.
I talk to the patient and ask abunch of questions.
Then I open it up and say doesanyone else have any questions?
And then, once we have everyonesatisfied with the information,
(44:25):
we, the person exits the scene,uh, and then we talk about it
and they say, okay, let's talkabout it, let's go around, let's
say what do you think aboutthat, who's the diagnosis,
what's your treatment plan, etc.
So we all go around, everyone,and then I you know I make the
final decision, um and uh, andthen what we do is we follow it.
So then they'd be okay, let'ssee the person after a couple of
(44:46):
weeks, two, three weeks, and soit's kind of like an ongoing
online clinic and then follow-uppatients, new patients, so
basically seeing patients andtreating them with other doctors
, witnessing what I'm doing live, in a sense, and then seeing
the results, and then it's allteaching.
So, in other words is okay,well, I chose a pristik instead
(45:08):
of lexapro.
Here's why I did that, and Iknow you, this other person
wanted lexapro.
Well, the problem with lexaprothey probably wouldn't give them
this kind of result.
You know, you can use it all, asthis is why I chose this
medication.
Okay, I was wrong, you know I,this medication didn't work out.
I had to change it, but it'sall learning, because I'm always
learning.
I mean, every patient isdifferent.
I have to figure out eachperson individually, so it's not
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always.
We don't always make thecorrect decision every time you
have to.
Okay, let me back up, thatwasn't it.
Let me see what, what mightwork.
So it's all.
It's a lot of trial and error.
It's, but it's rational trial.
You know what?
It's, not a just throwing dartsto the dartboard.
There's a thereboard, there's alogic to what I do and there's
a specific way I do things.
But that's what I want to dowith teaching, because I think
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to give back.
I can only see so many people.
There's so many people aroundthat don't have access to a
doctor who understands this, andthey're kind of stuck.
And just think about ruralareas, think about areas where
they don't have access tomedical care as much.
So I want to be able to reachdoctors all over the place,
(46:12):
hopefully, and help get them,teach them to help their patient
.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Is this going to be an online course?
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
And when can you expect tolaunch that?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
That's a good question.
I haven't really in the detailsof how to set it up and
everything what I want to do.
I'm not sure if I release thetwo books first and then set it
one up, or do I make the bookpart of the course.
I haven't really known.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't really know yet it sounds like, honestly, dr
Karina, like it sounds amazingand, I think, a great
opportunity, for it's.
Like you said, there's a lot ofpeople out there not diagnosed
yet.
Maybe possibly because theydon't have the information that
you're offering.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I love talking about it.
I love teaching and I'mconstantly teaching every day,
but I'm teaching my patients.
I'm teaching my patients tounderstand their condition.
And look, I want you tounderstand why you're taking
this pill.
It's not just you're takingthis pill for no reason.
You're taking it for thisreason, and this is exactly what
it does.
Here's what it does on mydiagram.
Here's what the Adderall does,here's what this does, and so
that's why both of them havetheir role.
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They're both totally differentthings, but they work together.
And so there's a lot ofexistence with anxiety and AD,
depression, ad.
Ad foreexists a lot of otherthings.
Bipolar disorder you have totreat everything the person has.
If someone comes in with highblood pressure, diabetes and
heart disease, I'm just going totreat the diabetes, I'm just
(47:39):
going to treat the bloodpressure, I'm just going to do
that.
No, you've got to treat.
You've got to look at all thosethings.
You have to look at the bigpicture and treat the whole
person.
Got to treat.
You got to look at all thosethings.
You know, you have to look atthe big picture and then treat
the whole person, not just treatone thing and then okay, that's
enough.
You know, next video.
We'll start working on yourhigh blood pressure.
Oh, I know it's super, superhigh.
Oh, yeah, you're a risk ofstroke or bleed.
But well, no, we'll do that.
I mean, no, you got to treateverything together.
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You know that's what I do in mypractice.
I make look at every diagnosis,make sure every one of the
diagnoses is predisposed.
A lot of my patients are on twoto three things probably the
average and you have to getpeople comfortable and say, well
, I only want to take one thing.
Well, how much better do youwant to get?
Do you really want to limityourself to one pill when you
can get better with the secondone?
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And some more complex people,some of the bipolar patients who
are more difficult to treat.
They may be on 3, 4, 5, 6 net.
They have a really tough onethat has serious implications,
like some of the serious bipolardisorder out there.
You know you got to treat it.
Or it's a person who's beenself-destruct, yeah.
(48:43):
So it's important to make surethat every person, every
individual, is in what we callfull remission.
Remission means completely well.
My gauge of completely well isyou feel like your old self.
Now, when I ask the question ofold self, the most common
answers are childhood.
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Now, that's, if you have maybea really happy, carefree
childhood, not like what you had, but if you had like a really
happy, neighborly kind ofchildhood.
Or a lot of people will saylate teens, early mid-20s, why
then?
Uh, out of high school,starting career, maybe starting
college, starting whatever,before marriage with kids,
(49:27):
before life gets morecomplicated, um, so there's,
there's sometimes times and Itell, I ask people are you back
to where?
You told me the first visitthat this was?
Are you?
Are you there?
I'm pretty close to there.
What's missing?
It?
This or that?
Okay, let's work on that.
Are you?
Yeah, I'm there again, or Ieither get I'm there again or
you know what.
No, because even at those timesof life, I never felt like this
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good, this is the best I'veever felt.
So all of the answers are great.
All of this means is theremission.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
To add to that, and you're absolutely right, that's
how I feel.
When I'm taking what I need totake, I feel like a million
dollars and I feel like I'mtaking what I need to take.
I feel like a million dollarsand I feel like I'm brighter,
I'm focused.
You're absolutely right.
I feel like right now in mylife it feels like the best I've
felt ever, and I'm sure there'sbeen other times, but it's
(50:17):
because I called you back up forthe 90th time and I'm doing
what I'm supposed to be doing.
I'm taking the medications thatI have and I don't feel and I
finally, at 50 years old, at 50something years old, I finally
don't give a shit.
I'm done caring about people,like what they think.
(50:38):
This is how God in the universesource whatever you believe in.
You are here as a gift.
You have been given your bestself.
Your obligation is to live thatlife the best that you can and
give to others and just shine.
And if you're not doing thatbecause you just feel like
you're caring about what otherpeople, I don't give a shit
(50:59):
anymore.
I'm done and I'm like why do Igo back to that where
everything's all over the place?
I don't know where my keys aredon't know where I'm going,
where.
What was I?
I missed it.
There's nothing worse thanmissing an appointment because
you didn't write it down and soit feels great, you hit the head
.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
it's because it's normality, it's you're, you're
feeling a normality and peoplethink that after, after a
normality for a period of time,people think where am I taking
these again?
I, I'm fine, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
That's exactly.
I'm like I don't need these.
I remember like this is goingto sound really weird.
But Britney Spears and I'mgoing to wrap up.
But Britney Spears would saythis and I remember thinking at
that time when I was younger,like she's, like I feel good, so
I stopped taking everything,and then I Then I go to kaputs
again and then she goes back on.
I'm like gosh darn it.
It took me until I was 50 torealize that Before we go, I
(51:49):
just wanted to kind of wrapthings up and I say again thank
you so much for taking your verybusy time to spend it with us.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
If you could share one, key takeaway from the
Corona Protocol with ouraudience.
What would that be?
Well, I mean, I hopefully, whensomeone reads the book, they
can see something in there that,oh my God, that sounds like me.
So I want the takeaway to bethat, you know, these things are
extremely common.
I think at least a quarter,probably half, the population
has something that's in thatbook, this book.
So people, I think peoplerealize how common it is and
(52:26):
don't be ashamed to treat thisand and it's not as scary as you
might think it is, you know,but again, I think it just you
know, I want people to have hopethat, no matter where you're at
, um, whenever what you have anykind of issue, that I talk
about in the book, it's, it'sall readable, it's all easily
readable, you know, and you,just you know, you want to make
sure and be your best self thenight.
(52:48):
I call this the true self.
Again, this this is the realtracy.
It's not tracy, unmedicated,that's, you're still tracy, but
this is the, the healthy,underlying real person that you
are.
So that's what I want foreverybody, everyone out there.
And if you, if you don't haveany conditions, great.
But you know what?
Maybe you can find someone inyour life that does, and give
them some hope and educate andsay you know what?
(53:10):
Maybe you know there's help tothis right and so maybe you
recognize someone in your familyor friends and you want to get
to that person and give themsome hope.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yes, well, quick rapid fire.
Just to end on a fun note, iswhat is your favorite comfort
food?
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Oh boy, my favorite comfort food?
Well, I love tamales, we havethem every Christmas.
And my favorite number one foodI don't get very often is king
crab legs.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Really Okay.
What is your favorite smell?
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Oh boy, Cuban cigar.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Really Love, love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I have a sweet.
I have a Cuban cigar once aweek and on Friday evening wow,
see, I learned something newabout you.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
um well, thank you, dr Corona.
Thank you so much for sharingall of your wisdom, all of your
expertise.
For anyone out there listening,all of his information, dr
Corona's information, will be inthe description his books,
everything else, his show, ofcourse.
And from now I just want totell everyone you are awesome,
stay edgy, stay ageless and youare legendary, you.
People think mental health, they think it's not real
(00:03):
, they think it's just aweakness in your character.
You know, I have to follow mywill.
If I just try harder, you know,and then people will say, well,
is it all in my head?
I go.
Well, now some people will say,oh my gosh, that's terrible
Giving a kid a pill.
Oh my gosh, what are youkidding?
That's just a kid, you're justa kid.
What do you do?
Kid, you're just a kid.
(00:25):
What do you do with it?
Well, because it's reallyimportant that people understand
that it's not a weakness totake medication, it's actually a
the test begins.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
As you pick up your pencil, something outside
catches your eye.
Your mind wanders.
Someone tapping their shoesnaps you back to the test.
Then to the clock.
What the when did the time go?
You look down at your paperit's blank.
Suddenly it hits you.
There's no time left.
That sinking feeling hits I amgoing to fail again.
This is an example of ADDattention deficit disorder which
(00:54):
is a neurodevelopment disorderthat affects a person's ability
to focus, stay on task andregulate impulses.
This is a story Dr Corona knowsall too well.
From ADHD to anxiety,depression to bipolar disorder,
dr Corona has spent his careerhelping people, me included,
reclaim their authentic lives.
In his latest of several books,the Corona Protocol, featured
(01:18):
in the Emmy Swag Bag, and his TVshow, the Dr Corona Show, dr
Corona continues to dedicate hislife to the study and education
of neurological disorders.
Come on, how can someone who'snever experienced it truly
understand it all?
Well, dr Corona himself hasdealt with his own disorders, so
he's not just speaking as anexpert, he's speaking from
experience, raw and real.
(01:39):
Here is Dr Paul Corona.
Dr Paul Corona, I am even morethrilled to have you here and
talk about your early beginningsand how your focus was on
family medicine.
What prompted you to turn yourfocus into exploring chemical
(02:00):
imbalances, which I have?
How did you make thattransition?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, when I first started in uh, in in even
medical school, I didn't knowexactly what I wanted to do.
I thought initially pediatrics,I thought at some point OBGYN,
I just didn't know.
And so I basically chose familypractice.
Because I just didn't know, Ilike psychiatry, I like I like a
bunch of things, and so Ithought, well, let me, the
family practice sounds like it'sgood, because it would give me
(02:25):
a broad range of things to dealwith.
And so that's why I chose anddid three-year training on that.
I started practice in 1992.
And you know I love being afamily doctor, but you know I
was always really interested inpsychiatry and mental health and
during the 90s I, uh, I justgot more and more into it.
(02:46):
A lot of it I mean one you knoweveryone's heard of ssri is
like zoloft, lexocrocovac, um.
That's all they had availablewhen I first started practice.
And then a brown breakingmedication came out called
effector um, the first actuallyserotonin and norepinephrine
medication, not just serotonin.
And that's when I reallystarted to see like, wait a
(03:09):
minute, what's going on here?
Because I started to see betterresults with anxiety.
It was stress, and I also sawphysical changes.
So I started seeing my patientssaying you know, my headache, my
neck, my back, my shoulders, mystomach, my all those that,
those things I used to have whenI was stressed out, it had gone
away.
So I started seeing thisphysical link and I think as a
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family doctor I was seeing thatwhere maybe a lot of maybe
psychiatrists don't didn't seethat because because they're not
really focusing on the body,the physical stuff like we did,
we do and most family doctorsdon't get really as into it as
me, so they don't get have asmuch experience.
So I, during the 90s I just didmore and more and more of this.
I started understanding it, howto combine medications together
(03:52):
.
A lot of it was justself-taught.
I read psychiatric textbooks, II tried to learn as much as I
could about what I was doing.
But I then I realized you knowafter about a decade of practice
that you know that I was doingso much more of this than
regular primary care.
And that's when I made thedecision around the year 2000 to
2002, right in that range toswitch my practice over and kind
(04:16):
of give up on primary care andmove full time to mental health.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So many of us deal with mental health.
For me personally it was, youknow, anxiety, and your help
with me personally has beenamazing.
And then you know, I don't knowif we're going to go into the
ADHD, but I also have that too.
And you know how many timesI've said to you a thousand
times, I don't want to take itand then I'll stop taking, you
(04:42):
know, my Adderall.
I have a low dose and I'llstart something new and I'll
come running back to you becauseyou know things are starting to
go haywire and you're like,well, what did you do this time,
tracy?
I tried NeuroGum and it's partlybecause I feel like a drug
(05:02):
addict.
Just, you know, I hate thatfeeling of having to take
something and if you could justwalk us through the way you
explained it to me, I loved whenyou said it to me and again, I
just went through this with you.
I stopped taking it because I'mlike I'll try some homeopathic
medicine, because every time Igo to the pharmacy I feel like
they're giving me the side eyeand it feels poopy.
(05:24):
So I want you to walk through,if you could, how you explain
what the mind does with thechemicals.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, usually what I do with a patient, I draw
diagrams of neurons, I explain,like how neurochemicals cross
over the cell to cell, you know.
But I think the main issuereally here is that people don't
take.
When people think mental health, they think, uh, it's not real.
They think it's it's just aweakness in your character.
You know I have on her will ifI just tried harder, you know.
(05:56):
And then people say, well, isit all my head?
I go well, what's in your headis not your, where your brain is
.
Well, yeah, it's in your brain.
Well, no, no, I mean, is it allin my head?
Meaning is, am I just making itup or am I just being weak?
No, no, it's a medical problem.
But see, it doesn't, since wedon't have blood tests.
So if someone had a thyroidcondition or diabetes or
whatever, you do blood tests andshow it to them, they go okay,
I'll take my thyroid supplementand I'll do this.
(06:18):
People don't have a problemwith it because it's even more
medical.
Now, when it comes to people,people think it's just not the
same and what doesn't help?
The situation is likepodcasters, not you, but I mean
I heard a.
I heard a small clip from Idon't listen to joe rogan, but I
heard a small clip of his thatsomeone sent me and he's tired
(06:38):
he's he had a doctor on who hadadd and so he's going off about
add medications.
Oh, I think it's horrible.
The and the doctor stopped me.
But wait a minute, I'm on one.
He had a doctor on who had ADDand so he's going off about ADD
medications.
Oh, I think it's horrible.
And the doctor stops him andgoes wait a minute, I'm on one.
And Joe stops and he said well,oh, really.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then you have the child raising their hand, and
then you have everyone clappingand you have the child with a
big smile on their face andyou've medicated your child to
be a successful and integratedperson in society.
Shall I spot off about ADHD fora minute.
Yes, please.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
That was my first book on ADHD.
It's the American Scattered orScattered Minds, depending on
which edition you get, and thatwas after I was diagnosed with
it myself in my 50s.
What does it mean ADHDs?
What does it mean ADHD?
Yeah, what is it exactly?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Is it real?
Oh, it's real.
He said oh, it doesn't make youwired, he goes.
No, I calmed the brain down.
No, it helped.
And then Joe said, okay, andthe other thing that created
anxiety, oh, but are we allanxious, don't we all have
stress?
So the problem is belittling the, the condition with someone
like as powerful as he is, withthat far of a reach, or like a
(07:50):
jack tatum, who's like thismacho dude with the podcast and
all that.
These kind of people, and evennot just not just them, but also
other, you know, kind ofmainstream people, just don't
get it.
And so the people feel shamedabout it and, like you said, and
pharmacies don't help becausepeople say they look at me kind
of funny, like, why do you needAdderall?
You are you taking this forweight loss or whatever?
(08:13):
So pharmacists make it moredifficult because they shame
people.
Um, you know, and so I don't.
It's understandable why you,why you would do this, try you,
try NeuroGamgam, you try focusfactor.
People get on supplements ofsome type.
Do some of them work a littlebit?
Yeah, I mean they could.
They can help somewhat.
You know they they help alittle bit.
Not as well as the prescriptionones.
(08:33):
No way, no, but they do help alittle bit, but sometimes it's
just a matter of yeah, but don'tyou want something that's going
to work better?
And and the fact that somemedication, yeah, so what?
You know, people takemedication for a lot of things.
Why not?
I think, once I explain it, andI explain that the
neurochemical got a balance forreasons you have no control over
, um you know, which have alsocaused anxiety, which is the
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number one thing I see in mypractice is anxiety disorders.
It's all based on imbalancesthat you can't help.
Now, why do they happen in thefirst place?
Genetics, number one runthrough your family.
So if we, if I look intopeople's families history mom,
dad, one, probably your mom oryour dad I don't have your chart
in front of you, but probablyone of them has add, you may not
know who, but one of themprobably does.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Um, one or both of them, maybe one of them has an
anxiety issue my mom was bipolaranxiety and obviously she was
probably the person who passedit down to me.
But also, you know, I thinkyou're going to probably go into
it but trauma is also isn'tthat a base of the adhd as well?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
right and you're not bipolar, I mean, and you got
perfection out here, you foryour dad's side, you know so you
don't get everything, but youget a little bit from mom, a
little bit from dad, and both oftheir sides.
And then second factor ishormone changes.
So some women especially willsee problems like a lot of
problems start of puberty,middle school, pre, premenstrual
, postpartum, menopause, youknow so men, women have a little
(09:59):
bit of rougher.
We have, you guys have morehormonal changes during your
life than men do.
And then trauma, stressors, sosometimes trauma it's the scale,
then sets things off.
Um, so, uh, so, yeah, so thereasons that happens, you have
no, you can, no one can controlthat, um, so I, I think it.
I think it's really importantthat people understand that it's
(10:23):
not a weakness to takemedication.
It's actually a strength, thefact that you can stand up and
really treat the disorder theway it should be treated.
You know.
But people have difficultybecause no one wants to take a
pill.
Everyone wants to take natural,all natural supplements and
vitamins and they think, well,if pharmaceutical, I want to
stay away from the pharmacy, Iwant to just do it through a
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supplier or through the healthfood store or whatever you know
well, someone was asking me whatis it like when you take the
medication, when you don't takethe medication, and I likened it
to, there's this superhero thatcan hear everything and he
cannot go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know the name of the superhero, but when
you're not taking it, everythingyou can, it feels like you can
feel and hear everything, andwhen the superhero goes to sleep
he has to go underwater, so itblocks it out, and so it kind of
feels like that.
It blocks everything out exceptwhat you're focusing on.
It's like there's a protectivebubble around you.
(11:24):
And this is how I feel and youcan tell me, if you've heard
from other clients and you'reable to focus those the bells
ringing, the lights, theeverything is not stealing my
focus, the squirrel, and whenI'm trying all these homeopathic
things like NeuroGum orwhatever, that there's no bubble
.
There might be a small haze,maybe it, like you said, it
(11:46):
works a little bit, but I cantell when I'm using the
medication because and I take asmall dose, my I remember when
you first got me started on it,one of my teachers was like wow,
you're looking at me and I waslike what do you mean?
She goes when you talk.
You're just not looking atanyone.
You don't like it feels likeyou're not listening because
(12:06):
you're thinking of a thousanddifferent things and she's like
what's, what's going on?
I started this medication andit's.
It was life changing for me toget it's.
It's.
It's in no wonder that I have Ihave a company, because it was
later in life that I actuallywas diagnosed with ADHD.
I guess it's the hyper focusthat we have as ADHDers that are
a superpower.
But back to what you weresaying about Joe Rogan I just
(12:28):
wanted to throw back.
I'm actually a big fan of JoeRogan.
People forget to walk in otherpeople's shoes and I'm guilty of
that as well.
My man, he didn't believe inmental illness.
He had never experienced it, sohe couldn't understand it, and
so he was one along that line oflike that's ridiculous, get
(12:51):
over it, get strong.
Until he had a surgery and hehad a full blown anxiety attack
and he had a couple and hiswhole, like his whole
perspective changed.
He was like it felt like I wasdying and his whole perspective
changed.
He was like it felt like I wasdying, like I was being
smothered to death.
It was the most horriblefeeling.
(13:12):
I go imagine what some peopledeal with.
When they deal with that everyday, he's like I couldn't
imagine.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Then he got it.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, what are some of the challenges in a
relationship?
I can tell you what mychallenges have been, but what
would you say challenges are ina relationship with people who
have ADHD.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, I think, communication, I think what you
mentioned just a little bit agois listening skills.
So a lot of times with ADD,it's people interrupt or they
just see a thought comes ahead,boom, it comes out without
sitting back, and then let mejust wait for that person to
finish what that says and then Ican talk.
It's just boom that thecommunication can be more
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difficult.
What do the?
Well, let's talk about thefeatures core, focus and
concentration.
You know that one easydistractibility, like you said,
squirrel, you know you.
You know the teacher's talking,there's a bird flying out the
window over there and thenthey're looking at the trees and
the teacher's talking over hereand just not even really hardly
listening because they're, youknow, just focused on other
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things besides what they're, youknow, or people at their desk
and they're trying to work onsomething, and then they get
distracted so easily.
Just easily distracted is avery common one Impulsiveness,
doing things impulsively withoutthinking, and so these are the
features.
And again, the main reason isgenetics, like I told you, and
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so it's challenging sometimes ina relationship, but the main
thing is the communicating andthe other person, the non-ADD
person, you know, just gettingvery frustrated.
You know why can't you justlisten or look me in the eye
when you're talking, or whatever, but that's, that's probably
the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
What would you give as advice to a couple that one
has the ADHD, one does not,because it is incredibly
frustrating and communication isthe foundation of all
relationships.
What would be your advice?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Read about it, understand it, you know?
So then not.
Well, both people need tounderstand, not both of the
people who have really doesn'tthink it's moderate, really
understanding and so readingabout it.
I mean, I in my new book, theCurrent Protocol, I have a whole
chapter on it on ADD.
So if someone wants to delveinto it and understand it, I
(15:26):
talk about three different casesin that the whole new book is
30 original short stories, sothree out of the 30 stories are
on ADD.
It's also in my first threebooks I talk about ADD.
So just really, I think, moreeducation, understanding, maybe
understanding your partner andand what he or she goes through,
and I think that's that's themain thing is just learning
(15:48):
about it and it's anunderstanding I think that's
your next book, dr corona is isrelationships and adhd, because
it's a it's a?
there are books about that there.
There are specific books aboutrelationships with ADHD.
I haven't written them, butthere are books out there.
So that's me fighting out abook.
(16:09):
I can't remember the author ofit.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I've read a few and they are very eye-opening and
informational and educational interms of how to navigate
through a relationship withsomebody who has ADHD, because
it is incredibly frustrating.
I know that because I'm theperson who's doing it, so I've
had to educate myself on, youknow, better communication and,
sorry, but taking my medication,like my man knows.
(16:32):
He says have you been takingyour medication?
And I get so mad.
I'm like I'm taking neuro gumand it can remind you the case.
And yeah, yeah, he's like is itworking?
I don't know if it is and I getreally mad and they'll call you
hi, it's me again.
Speaking of your book, I'd liketo walk through your book, uh,
the corona protocol yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So I mean backing up to when I first started writing,
so going back to 2000 to 2002,when I turned into my practice.
At the time I was thinking youknow, why aren't other doctors
seeing this?
Why?
Why am I not seeing primarycare doctors doing this and why
am I not seeing psychiatriststhis?
Supposedly this was aspecialist doing things the way
(17:14):
I'm doing it.
You know the way I've learnedhow to do things.
I don't see other doctors doingit.
So I thought you know, I needthis, I need to start putting
this on cable.
Who's going to believe somefamily doctor about this subject
unless I write a book?
So I just set out to write abook and after four years and
800 pages I thought, okay, thisis too much for one book, so I'm
going to split it into twobooks.
(17:34):
So I thought, okay, this is one, this is two.
So then I released the one andthen I started working on more
on the two and then by the endof another three or four years I
was up to another 800 pages onbook two.
So okay, we'll split that.
And then now it's book three.
So I basically just keptwriting for 12 years to release
those three books.
It took a little short breakfrom writing and then I thought
(17:56):
what do I want to do now in mycareer?
I love practice.
I want to keep that.
I want to do now in my career.
I love practice.
I want to keep that.
I want to teach.
I think the need out there isfor doctors to learn about this
subject and they're not gettingthe training they need to get
from their reading or whatever.
So I thought I'm going to setup a training course.
So I wrote two smaller booksthat haven't been released yet
(18:19):
that I'm probably going torelease in the next year or so
for doctors Well, actuallydoctors, there's physician
assistants, nurse practitioners,focus on primary care.
I love syphagists.
I also read it to understand.
Read the two books, and thenI'm going to set up a training
course.
So then I thought you know nowwhat I want to write another
book.
I want to write one more bookand that's it.
(18:40):
And I thought you know I wantto make this one different.
I want to make this one aboutstorytelling.
People love reading aboutstories, and so that was just a
whole different concept workingwith my editor, trying to figure
out the chapters and all that,the makeup of the book, and then
I just started going at it andit took me about four years to
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finish this one.
And so the concept, well, thefront of the book.
And then I just started goingat it and it took me about about
four years to finish this one.
And so the concept, well, thefront protocol, basically, is
what I do.
The protocol is really the wayI've learned how to do things,
my methods in a sense.
And then I thought, you know, Ithe crazy subtitle a
scientifically proven medicalsolution to stop addiction,
bullying, homelessness, schoolshootings and suicide 30, 30
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years in the making.
Uh, so then I thought, you know, I want to put something on the
cover that's going to pop out,so people will like what, and I
wanted to.
I wanted to choose subjectsthat are, you know, they're
really topical today and all ofthose are usually topical.
Addiction, for us, everyone'stalking about addiction nowadays
.
Bullying is a huge thing.
Homelessness we dare about thatand we see it all the time.
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School shooting we've had whata couple of the last week or two
.
You know.
Um, suicide, you know,obviously the worst outcome for
patient with mental health issue.
So I thought I'm gonna.
I put those five on there justbecause I thought this was gonna
be the.
You know the.
The core of the and so that'skind of the middle of the book
is talking about those things.
(20:06):
What I do in this book I talkabout a subject that starts with
anxiety disorder, that I talkabout depression, bipolar eating
disorders, schizophrenia.
I talk about a myriad of thingsPTSD and what I do is I talk
about a subject briefly and acouple, maybe two or three pages
worth, and then I log into thestory and I know the book it's
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storytelling.
Then section five of the bookis I tell my story.
Then section six, I kind oftell about some of the
difficulties that I've gonethrough personally and the
struggles I've gone through andI've made it to the other side.
So that's basically the core ofwhat the book's about.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'd love to talk about your personal journey,
like the struggles that you had.
Is that something you can talkabout?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't know if I want to ruin the book for people
who haven't read it yet.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Okay, so I'm going to give people a small snippet,
like a commercial, and let themknow that you've had your own
struggles.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I take medications too.
I have my own, yeah, and I tellabout that.
I tell the whole story inSection six of my book.
Someone wants to read all theins and outs of what I went
through and how I kind of gotthrough that.
So I kind of want, I wanted toput that section in because,
even though it's difficult totalk about those things, I
thought hopefully people canrelate to that and say, look,
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even the guy who treats this up,even he.
That's why it's like there's noreason for stigma, there's no
reason to be ashamed about thisstuff.
I'm not ashamed of what I ateat home.
So that's why I put thatsection in.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think it's important and to give the
audience just a little snippet,you had your own breakdown, is
that correct?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, and you go through and you tell the story
and how you got to the otherside and I think it's a really
great story.
It's again one of the thingsthat made me fall in love with
Dr Corona and come to youroffice.
You were so authentic aboutyour own journey and your own
struggles and how you got to theother side and how you take
medication.
It just made me feel so muchbetter.
(22:12):
I think that reading your bookand these stories will make
anyone who has any of thesemental disorders because it will
make them feel like they're notalone.
You are not alone.
That's why I love you so muchis because you truly make
patients feel like they're notalone and that there is help and
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that you're not ridiculous.
But I do want to say can you gointo a little bit of?
I personally have children atmy studio that deal with
bullying.
What are you talking about inthe bullying?
And you say solution to stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I think, just recognizing it.
I think the story I talk aboutis a family and the daughter is
bullied at school as well as theson is bullied at school.
The mom is bullied at theschool board meeting, but she
has very strong views that areopposed to some of the other
people in the community.
(23:08):
And so, just basically, withbullying, that you're not alone
and also you need to stand up toit.
And if you need to get help,it's not weak to get a teacher
or the principal and tell themthat what's going on here, that
you know someone needs to stepin and stop this.
You know, or the bullies,currency to be notified, or
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something you know and you know,I, I, in my, I stopped short of
saying that if someone wants tofight you, that you fight back.
Well, that's an option, is, uh,is fighting it out.
But I, you know, rather thanthat, I think, um, I think just
being aware that it's so commonand again, just really more,
it's mostly, you know, trying tofind people who listen to the
(23:52):
person and saying that you know,I'm very uncomfortable with
this and you know, and I mean,of course, the victim can try to
avoid the bully as much as theycan, but if it's at a school,
they can only avoid it for solong, right.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And now throw in social media where you in the
old days, when we were younger,you could go home and it's done.
But it continues, sometimes onsocial media.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And then social media .
I mean there's so much shamingand bullying on social media
sites and you know, and it'sjust a, I mean social media and
very you know there's good partsof it, obviously people
communicating and all that butyou know, there's a lot of
negative, a lot of negativity.
There's a lot of um toxicitythat goes on, and with young
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people too, it's been.
If they spend too much time onthere and it's just a lot of
wasted time, they should be outand um, but yeah, a lot of that,
a lot of that happensthroughout, you know, and again,
in the end, um, at a nationallevel too is, you know, with
politicians and this and that, Imean it was just bullying is
just, you know, so common.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It doesn't go away.
It's so crazy Like I wasexplaining to the kids and like
I'm going to say somethingthat's probably not going to be
very popular, but I do thinkthat the bullying word is kind
of thrown around at some point.
It was a little bit too much.
I'm like people are going tohave disagreements.
However, when it becomesoverbearing and constant, yes,
(25:23):
it's bullying, and I think Idon't know if you know who
Patrick Bet-David is.
I was listening to his podcastand he was talking about how he
only lets his kids get on to.
I guess his kids don't havecell phones they're the only
ones that don't and he's verystrict about how much social
interaction they have online,and I think that that's where it
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starts.
I actually think that kidsshouldn't have cell phones.
If they need to get in touchwith them, they give them a
pager.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I agree, I agree.
And then this is a conversationat school, sue, where they know
that a lot of parents take thisbig phone away when they're in
class, but otherwise they'regoing to be sitting with the
pager on their phone layingaround the away when they're in
class, but otherwise they'regonna be sitting with the
teacher on their phone layingaround the phone when they're
supposed to be listening to theteacher.
There's a lot of that.
And then the parents' argumentis like, well, what, if they
need something, they need to beable to call me.
It's like, okay, well, they cango to the office and really,
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just, there's other ways ofdoing it so that you know than
that.
And so, uh, yeah, I agree thatthat's just good parenting.
I think it's just if you justlet them.
Same thing, like with videogames.
Mostly that's a guy thing, butuh, with video games, you know,
just limbing, it is okay, youcan do it for a half hour, or do
you do for an hour?
Then you gotta get yourhomework done and then, or if
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you get your homework done, thenI'll give you an hour, but
that's it.
You know that you know justthis, and on the weekend or
whatever, just to smart them out.
And don't you know so many kidsare sitting there all day,
every day, eight hours and hoursand hours doing video games.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know, it's not healthy, it's not healthy and I
was talking to somebodyyesterday that, um, you know
kind of had a rough childhood.
And here's my biggest takeawayon what I've seen as somebody
who is in the child industrylike I, I have a performing arts
center, I'm an after-schoolprogram I have seen kids do so
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much better because they arepart of something bigger than
themselves.
After-school programs should befunded by the state.
I 1,000% believe and it's myunderstanding nowadays that it's
not really funded very well andyou have to have a lot of money
to be in a football team.
And when I was younger, growingup in foster care, I lived from
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my after-school programs.
That's where I had connection.
And I really believe that if yougive kids connection not on the
internet, outside, playingfootball, playing chess, doing
it as birdwatching, whatever itis they're a part of something
bigger than themselves.
They are a part of a community,they're part of a team and
maybe we would see lessshootings and bullying and stuff
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like that, because you're notleft to your own defenses.
What we're all going to, youknow, listen.
If we're on the Internet, we'regoing to go to the things when
you're younger that are, youknow, maybe spooky or weird or
you know, horror shows, and ifyou're out and about, you don't
get that option, it's just notthere.
If you're out and about, youdon't get that option, it's just
not there.
So I mean, obviously there's afine line, which you probably
(28:18):
know, between overdoing it withyour kids, with activities every
day, all day, every second ofthe day, then having something
at least twice a week to go toto be a part of, and that's why,
growing up, I played football,since I was young, and I played
chess, of course, you did.
You're a big guy.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Speaking of chess, I was a ranked.
I was in tournaments as thoughI loved chess or not.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Really, that's so awesome.
Of course you're smart, tall.
It's great.
This is not a surprise.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And reading.
I mean I've read probablyhundreds of books.
I've been to have a readersince I was young and so I I'm,
I'm on a book now I'm on pagelike 520 of a 900 something page
book right now.
Um, but I'm, I'm always.
I mean, I'm even right in latein the evening when I'm home I
read, you know, I watch a littlepv and then I slap, I go, you
(29:07):
know enough tv one shows enoughor whatever, and then I, I read,
you know, and and so so, yeah,and I think back then, you know,
we used to go out and play.
And now people say, yeah, butit's not as safe nowadays.
Good point, you know you don'twant your kids outdoors in
unsafe areas and supervised.
(29:27):
You know there's alwaysdangerous sports out there,
criminals.
But I think it's just when Igrew up, it was just back in,
just a up, it was just back.
There's a healthier environmentback then, back in the 70s and
in the 80s, during college, wasthat things were just like a
different.
It was a different back then,you know, we didn't have all
these modern stuff we have nowand I think it was just
(29:50):
healthier the internet is agreat thing in moderation, like
anything right I wanted to goback to.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Let me go back to your book for a second.
What role does theneurochemical imbalances play in
the challenges highlighted inyour book?
How can they be effectivelytreated?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I do talk about that in the book, a lot of
medications.
I talk about that also in myfirst book, probably more detail
in my first books, my firstbooks.
Obviously probably more detailin my first books, um, but but
yeah, I think so basically, youknow, if someone can visualize
this.
So the whole nervous system,the brains, the center, is
composed of over a hundredbillion nurse.
They're called neurons and theyconnect, they, they communicate
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through spaces, um, and, andchemicals are traveling from
cell to cell around the systemabout a thousand times a second.
The spaces in between the cellswe call synapses.
There's over a hundred trillionof those in your body, and so
the problem is where thechemicals are passing from cell
to cell.
There are little holes calledreceptors that allow the
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chemicals to travel from onecell into the next cell, and
that's what's supposed to happenis a one-way transmission of
these chemicals.
What happens in the cell isthese holes become, they get get
leaky, so you get leaky holes.
They become like almost liketwo-way valves instead of one
way.
So that way sometime that goesforward.
Sometimes they go back and gobackwards.
So that's the problem.
(31:12):
So when we, when we sayneurochemical imbalances, that's
what I mean the chemicals inthe nervous system going out of
balance.
That's what that's the problem.
So when we say neurochemicalimbalances, that's what I mean
the chemicals in the nervoussystem going out of balance.
That's what that means.
So how do we fix it?
Well, what we do is we fix theleaks.
So it really is about workingon the cell membrane of the cell
and fixing the problem at thesource of the problem.
So it's not a lack of chemicals.
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So people have this notion thatI'm going to boost my serotonin
and are going to boost mydopamine.
I guess, in the sense, you'reboosting it forward, yes, but
it's not adding chemicals to thesystem that aren't there.
Medications are actually tryingto fix the problem and then,
which basically forces thechemicals to move only the one
way they're supposed to move,ideally, and not go the wrong
way.
(31:53):
So that's what they're, thatmedications are about and that's
why there's, you know, they'renot addictive.
They're not, you know, becausethey are.
They're just fixing a problemand, and I think, like I said,
there's a lot of things inmedicine that we fix with
medications.
You know, sometimes thyroidblood pressure, you know, you
know a lot of things out there.
We're fixing a problem that thebody just doesn't fix on its
(32:15):
own.
In the case of some of thesethings like blood pressure,
cholesterol, then we can dealwith some pretty serious things
stroke, heart attack.
When we don't treatneurochemical imbalances, then
you're dealing with persistentanxiety, persistent depression,
add, untreated dysfunction,people not performing well at
work, getting fired because theboss said you're not performing
(32:37):
up to par.
You know you're not.
Your peers are producing morethan you are because the person
not treating their ADD.
So how are they supposed tokeep up with someone who doesn't
have ADD if they can treat it?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
If I can say for listeners who don't have ADHD
but might be in a relationshipwith somebody who does what I'm
getting from.
What you just said, which isabsolutely amazing, is, say, you
have a leaky boat and you'resitting there trying to scoop
out the water because you haveholes in the boat.
And you're scooping out thewater with the narrow gum, with
all these other things, but thento try to fix the actual boat
(33:08):
to plug those holes.
That's what the medication is.
Is that kind of like whatyou're talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I like the boat one that's the new one for me.
Yeah, the boat's good.
I use the shower.
Now I say, if you're taking ashower and all of a sudden the
water pressure comes down,you're like what's going on?
You look down in the faucet,the big leak coming out of the
faucet.
Well, what do you do?
Well, you know you can't fixthat.
But then you got to realize,okay, I got to fix what's going
(33:35):
on at the faucet.
There there's a leak going onthere.
If you don't fix the leakyou're going to still have
problems with the water.
And so I say what medication todo?
They go right to that leak,they fix the leak at the faucet
and all of a sudden you do that.
All of a sudden the water'spressure, if you fix boat water,
(33:57):
stops going into the boat to beable to have to scoop it out.
Why are you scooping it out?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Why don't you just focus on fixing that dang leak
Primarily.
I've been asking you questionssort of from the adult
perspective.
As far as kids and ADHD, do youfeel like there are people out
there that might be either Amisdiagnosing and what are your
thoughts on kids taking?
It's a lot to wrap your headaround, I know, on these
medications Because I wish I,when I was younger, I would have
had it, because it probablywould have saved me a lot of
(34:21):
trauma.
But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, I mean, it depends on the training.
I mean, as family doctors,we're trained to treat it.
Tea attritionists are supposedto treat it.
Some of them don't.
Now you obviously have to go tosomeone who's trained to know
how to do what they're doing.
Part of the reason I wanted toset up a training course is for
that very reason, that doctorsneed more training.
They need to know more, and somy goal is to try to teach as
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much as I can.
But see, add has nothing to dowith intelligence, so it has to
do with focus.
And so some people are highlyintelligent, but they just can't
take the intelligence and makeit, you know, make it translate
into the grades or at a worklevel, work performance.
But so some kids can skate byokay for a while because of
(35:08):
their natural intelligence andtheir work ethic.
So then at some point you know,it gets more difficult, whether
it's middle school, high school, college, grad school, whatever
.
The more you go in the school,the more difficult it gets, the
more the more challenging andbecome for an ad person.
Now some people will say, oh mygosh, that's terrible giving a
kid a pill.
Oh my gosh, what are youspinning?
(35:29):
That's just a kid, you're justa kid.
What do you do it?
Well, because you really wantthat person you know suffering
through their boy.
Do they ever be frustratedthroughout their school
experience?
You know, and if you can givethem someone, and what's this?
What's established?
As far as starting point, most,most experts, will say the
(35:50):
youngest they would give isprobably around seven years old
or so.
Some go that's five or sixyears old, because it's pretty
apparent, usually at a young age, you have add, and then some
will say the argument is low.
Well, the kids are hyper anyway.
So you're just going to take ahyper kid and just zone them out
?
No, that's not the point.
Uh, we're not taking away thepersonality of person and if we
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are, if we're blunting apersonality, you know that's the
wrong.
Medication is too high of a dose.
You you have to watch theappetite of a kid.
You don't want to dose it toohigh where they're growing and
they need to gain their appetite.
But medicating kids, I thinkit's hugely important and I have
so many patients and familieswho are grateful because all of
(36:31):
a sudden everything turns aroundfor this kid, you know, um, and
confidence improves.
And there's also been shownstatistically if you don't treat
add to the higher chance ofdrug addiction later in life, a
higher chance of getting introuble, because you do think
that, possibly, and so now we'redealing with you know.
So that's why I think you youtreat it whenever you diagnose
(36:54):
it and you just keep treating it.
And people will say until when?
Well, until when you want it.
And you just keep treating itand people will say until when?
Well, until when do you want tostop?
Do you want to stop it when yougo to work?
Oh, no, I can stop it nowbecause I'm not going to school
anymore.
Well, okay, but aren't yougoing to get a job?
Yeah, yeah, but don't you needit when you're working?
Well, maybe, okay, good, so,okay, when can I stop it now?
(37:18):
Well, when are you retiring?
Um, no time, real soon.
Okay, we'll take it till youretire and then we'll talk again
about it.
Then then you retire and sayyou know you can stop it if you
don't have any work to focus on.
But some people say you know, Ijust feel so good when I take it
, I just feel better.
It is more get done than justwork and school.
There's other stuff to do too,but, um, but, yeah, but that's
basically that the controversy.
That shouldn't be.
(37:38):
Well, it's a controlledsubstance.
So, oh my gosh, you're gonnaget a controlled substance, yeah
, you know.
Do you want to treat themproperly?
Do you want to treat them inthe best way with the, with the
best type of treatment?
Sure, absolutely, you know.
I mean, I can go on about ad,because it's a topic I'm
passionate about, you know,because it's way, way
underdiagnosed and people willsay the opposite.
(38:00):
People say it's overdiagnosed.
Too many people are takingthese things wrong.
The government might say thatthat's why the government is
trying to control the production.
That's up, but absolutely not.
I think it's way underdiagnosed.
I think way more people thathave it that don't treat it than
actually a food area.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, there's a stigma, you know.
That's probably why they're not.
I'm with you, I agree with youand, to go to your point earlier
about a kid suffering, I workwith children half of 20, 30
years now and I, you know, partof the reason why I think my
studio does so well is thatwe're very involved with trying
to help Everyone's a snowflake,you know, at our studio and we
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try to teach, treat each childdifferently because they have
different wants and needs.
One of those things is watchingkids suffer when they, you know
, and we have lines, you know, Ido musical theater, they, you
can see somebody who is verysmart but just can't focus.
And I've seen kids go from.
You know, they can't get a leadbecause they can't memorize the
(39:01):
lines, but they try, and thensuddenly something will change
and the parent will come to meand say, okay, I just want to
let you know that we're tryingthis new medication, you know,
can you please give us somefeedback?
And I'm like, absolutely, andI'll say, wow, jimmy Sally, they
are focused, they're, you know,and they're, and it makes me
want to cry.
It's like they're not suffering,they're, they're, they're
(39:28):
living the life that they should, that they can, and they're
going to flourish.
And you know, is it foreveryone?
Maybe not.
There's no reason for the uh,the interruptions, the constant
talking, talking, the notraising the hand, the, the
running all over the place, it's.
It's like wow, and I'm like I.
I get to the point where Ialmost have to say, if you're
not gonna help me and give mesome tools, I gotta let you go.
(39:49):
I that you're hurting the otherchildren in the class, and now
that's hurting that poor child.
Does that make sense at all?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
you're right and that , and that's the challenge with
parents is, you know, feeling,you know just like you're not
being a bad parent by treatingit's not their fault.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
It's not their fault.
Yeah, you know.
Oh, they don't.
They're.
You're not wrong, you're not an, you're not an a-hole because
you want to go get your kid abetter life.
On another note, now stoptalking, because I keep talking
again.
I'm also passionate about ittoo, dr Corona.
But my nephew?
He has diabetes, and he wasdiagnosed at seven years old.
(40:26):
He ended up in the hospital.
He has to take this insulinevery day, he has to wear a
thing, and his life is betternow.
Isn't that the same, though?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Absolutely See, people think that's different
because that's a real matter asa problem with blood tests.
So people will think that'sreal.
This AD is not real and you'regiving a kid a controlled
substance.
That's terrible.
No, it's not.
Kids already growing upcomparing to other kids, already
(40:58):
growing up comparing to otherkids and, and so they sometimes
feel, feel less than becausethey say how come I can't do as
well as these?
I thought I'm as smart as theyare.
How come I can't perform theway well?
Because you, you know, you'renot able to.
It's just not possible and so,um, so it just it's huge.
Growing up is self-esteem.
No, you know, you don't havegosh, being that this causes a
lot of problem in life.
Um, and so, yeah, so they, forevery reason.
(41:20):
There's no good reason not toaccept that again.
People, heracles will talk toother karens, they'll go online,
they'll look stuff up, you know, you know they'll look up.
Oh, that's side effects ofthings not focusing on the
benefit but focusing on what thegovernment is saying, and the
side effects are and, um, youknow, and so they, you know,
just focus on the wrong thingsand get, and you get sidetracked
(41:42):
instead of on the internet.
Why don't you go to a doctoryou trust who treats this, and
the doctor can tell you the insand outs of what to look for,
what side effects to watch, or.
I can do that in a much betterway than someone trying to
research you on their own andtrying to like figure it out on
their own, which is fine you can, you can research, but you got
to watch what you read, becauseyou know what people get the
wrong.
(42:02):
There's three sources ofinformation.
I I tell people it's kind of afunny thing that there's three.
I tell three first sources ofinformation you never, you never
get medically.
Number one internet.
Internet's terrible source ofmedical information.
There's so much of medicalinformation.
There's so much misinformation.
There's, there's, there's this,and now they're saying the
completely different thing.
Well, which one of those isright?
(42:23):
So there's a lot of opinion,there's a lot of governmental
nonsense, and so I tell peopleif you want to get medical
advice from the attorney, go onthere.
Um.
The second is family andfriends.
You know, is that really thebest story?
I didn't know.
The third is pharmacists.
You know, you, you want to getyour medical admission to
pharmacists?
Absolutely not, because they'renot clinicians, they don't
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prescribe, they don't understand.
They'll just, they'll just giveyou negativity, like
pharmacists will do, and sothat's it.
So where?
And so what does that have?
Where's what's left after thosethree?
Um, the expert, maybe, or thedoctor that you know, that you
trust?
That's the person you getinformation from.
I, I've treated the add for over30 years.
I can tell you the ins and outsof it.
(43:03):
I can tell you the side effectsto watch for.
I can tell you why that is toohigh of a dose, why you need to
lower it.
Whatever I, I can help withthat.
You know it.
But because I do it, I and Isee the results constantly and
um, so, and that's much bettersource of information than
anything else.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
At the end of the day , I know parents just they want
the best for their kids and soyou're right.
Sometimes misinformation willbring you down the wrong path of
trying to give that great lifeto their children.
So I think it's amazing thatyou're starting a teaching
program.
Talk to us a little bit aboutthe teaching and the program
course that you're going to bestarting.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah.
So basically my focus is goingto be on primary care doctors.
There's a lot of physicianassistants or practitioners,
family doctors, pediatricians,anyone who is able to treat
these conditions.
So my idea is to do somethingvery unique and never been done
before.
So an online training program,meaning that, ok, let's say, for
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example, I get a new patientand I find Maybe I screen, make
sure it's a good teaching face,make sure it's an interesting
face.
So basically what I do is havethe person come online with
whoever else is online with meand I think, a history.
I talk to the patient and ask abunch of questions.
Then I open it up and say doesanyone else have any questions?
And then, once we have everyonesatisfied with the information,
(44:25):
we, the person exits the scene,uh, and then we talk about it
and they say, okay, let's talkabout it, let's go around, let's
say what do you think aboutthat, who's the diagnosis,
what's your treatment plan, etc.
So we all go around, everyone,and then I you know I make the
final decision, um and uh, andthen what we do is we follow it.
So then they'd be okay, let'ssee the person after a couple of
(44:46):
weeks, two, three weeks, and soit's kind of like an ongoing
online clinic and then follow-uppatients, new patients, so
basically seeing patients andtreating them with other doctors
, witnessing what I'm doing live, in a sense, and then seeing
the results, and then it's allteaching.
So, in other words is okay,well, I chose a pristik instead
(45:08):
of lexapro.
Here's why I did that, and Iknow you, this other person
wanted lexapro.
Well, the problem with lexaprothey probably wouldn't give them
this kind of result.
You know, you can use it all, asthis is why I chose this
medication.
Okay, I was wrong, you know I,this medication didn't work out.
I had to change it, but it'sall learning, because I'm always
learning.
I mean, every patient isdifferent.
I have to figure out eachperson individually, so it's not
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always.
We don't always make thecorrect decision every time you
have to.
Okay, let me back up, thatwasn't it.
Let me see what, what mightwork.
So it's all.
It's a lot of trial and error.
It's, but it's rational trial.
You know what?
It's, not a just throwing dartsto the dartboard.
There's a thereboard, there's alogic to what I do and there's
a specific way I do things.
But that's what I want to dowith teaching, because I think
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to give back.
I can only see so many people.
There's so many people aroundthat don't have access to a
doctor who understands this, andthey're kind of stuck.
And just think about ruralareas, think about areas where
they don't have access tomedical care as much.
So I want to be able to reachdoctors all over the place,
(46:12):
hopefully, and help get them,teach them to help their patient
.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Is this going to be an online course?
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
And when can you expect tolaunch that?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
That's a good question.
I haven't really in the detailsof how to set it up and
everything what I want to do.
I'm not sure if I release thetwo books first and then set it
one up, or do I make the bookpart of the course.
I haven't really known.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't really know yet it sounds like, honestly, dr
Karina, like it sounds amazingand, I think, a great
opportunity, for it's.
Like you said, there's a lot ofpeople out there not diagnosed
yet.
Maybe possibly because theydon't have the information that
you're offering.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I love talking about it.
I love teaching and I'mconstantly teaching every day,
but I'm teaching my patients.
I'm teaching my patients tounderstand their condition.
And look, I want you tounderstand why you're taking
this pill.
It's not just you're takingthis pill for no reason.
You're taking it for thisreason, and this is exactly what
it does.
Here's what it does on mydiagram.
Here's what the Adderall does,here's what this does, and so
that's why both of them havetheir role.
(47:18):
They're both totally differentthings, but they work together.
And so there's a lot ofexistence with anxiety and AD,
depression, ad.
Ad foreexists a lot of otherthings.
Bipolar disorder you have totreat everything the person has.
If someone comes in with highblood pressure, diabetes and
heart disease, I'm just going totreat the diabetes, I'm just
(47:39):
going to treat the bloodpressure, I'm just going to do
that.
No, you've got to treat.
You've got to look at all thosethings.
You have to look at the bigpicture and treat the whole
person.
Got to treat.
You got to look at all thosethings.
You know, you have to look atthe big picture and then treat
the whole person, not just treatone thing and then okay, that's
enough.
You know, next video.
We'll start working on yourhigh blood pressure.
Oh, I know it's super, superhigh.
Oh, yeah, you're a risk ofstroke or bleed.
But well, no, we'll do that.
I mean, no, you got to treateverything together.
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You know that's what I do in mypractice.
I make look at every diagnosis,make sure every one of the
diagnoses is predisposed.
A lot of my patients are on twoto three things probably the
average and you have to getpeople comfortable and say, well
, I only want to take one thing.
Well, how much better do youwant to get?
Do you really want to limityourself to one pill when you
can get better with the secondone?
(48:20):
And some more complex people,some of the bipolar patients who
are more difficult to treat.
They may be on 3, 4, 5, 6 net.
They have a really tough onethat has serious implications,
like some of the serious bipolardisorder out there.
You know you got to treat it.
Or it's a person who's beenself-destruct, yeah.
(48:43):
So it's important to make surethat every person, every
individual, is in what we callfull remission.
Remission means completely well.
My gauge of completely well isyou feel like your old self.
Now, when I ask the question ofold self, the most common
answers are childhood.
(49:04):
Now, that's, if you have maybea really happy, carefree
childhood, not like what you had, but if you had like a really
happy, neighborly kind ofchildhood.
Or a lot of people will saylate teens, early mid-20s, why
then?
Uh, out of high school,starting career, maybe starting
college, starting whatever,before marriage with kids,
(49:27):
before life gets morecomplicated, um, so there's,
there's sometimes times and Itell, I ask people are you back
to where?
You told me the first visitthat this was?
Are you?
Are you there?
I'm pretty close to there.
What's missing?
It?
This or that?
Okay, let's work on that.
Are you?
Yeah, I'm there again, or Ieither get I'm there again or
you know what.
No, because even at those timesof life, I never felt like this
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good, this is the best I'veever felt.
So all of the answers are great.
All of this means is theremission.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
To add to that, and you're absolutely right, that's
how I feel.
When I'm taking what I need totake, I feel like a million
dollars and I feel like I'mtaking what I need to take.
I feel like a million dollarsand I feel like I'm brighter,
I'm focused.
You're absolutely right.
I feel like right now in mylife it feels like the best I've
felt ever, and I'm sure there'sbeen other times, but it's
(50:17):
because I called you back up forthe 90th time and I'm doing
what I'm supposed to be doing.
I'm taking the medications thatI have and I don't feel and I
finally, at 50 years old, at 50something years old, I finally
don't give a shit.
I'm done caring about people,like what they think.
(50:38):
This is how God in the universesource whatever you believe in.
You are here as a gift.
You have been given your bestself.
Your obligation is to live thatlife the best that you can and
give to others and just shine.
And if you're not doing thatbecause you just feel like
you're caring about what otherpeople, I don't give a shit
(50:59):
anymore.
I'm done and I'm like why do Igo back to that where
everything's all over the place?
I don't know where my keys aredon't know where I'm going,
where.
What was I?
I missed it.
There's nothing worse thanmissing an appointment because
you didn't write it down and soit feels great, you hit the head
.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
it's because it's normality, it's you're, you're
feeling a normality and peoplethink that after, after a
normality for a period of time,people think where am I taking
these again?
I, I'm fine, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
That's exactly.
I'm like I don't need these.
I remember like this is goingto sound really weird.
But Britney Spears and I'mgoing to wrap up.
But Britney Spears would saythis and I remember thinking at
that time when I was younger,like she's, like I feel good, so
I stopped taking everything,and then I Then I go to kaputs
again and then she goes back on.
I'm like gosh darn it.
It took me until I was 50 torealize that Before we go, I
(51:49):
just wanted to kind of wrapthings up and I say again thank
you so much for taking your verybusy time to spend it with us.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
If you could share one, key takeaway from the
Corona Protocol with ouraudience.
What would that be?
Well, I mean, I hopefully, whensomeone reads the book, they
can see something in there that,oh my God, that sounds like me.
So I want the takeaway to bethat, you know, these things are
extremely common.
I think at least a quarter,probably half, the population
has something that's in thatbook, this book.
So people, I think peoplerealize how common it is and
(52:26):
don't be ashamed to treat thisand and it's not as scary as you
might think it is, you know,but again, I think it just you
know, I want people to have hopethat, no matter where you're at
, um, whenever what you have anykind of issue, that I talk
about in the book, it's, it'sall readable, it's all easily
readable, you know, and you,just you know, you want to make
sure and be your best self thenight.
(52:48):
I call this the true self.
Again, this this is the realtracy.
It's not tracy, unmedicated,that's, you're still tracy, but
this is the, the healthy,underlying real person that you
are.
So that's what I want foreverybody, everyone out there.
And if you, if you don't haveany conditions, great.
But you know what?
Maybe you can find someone inyour life that does, and give
them some hope and educate andsay you know what?
(53:10):
Maybe you know there's help tothis right and so maybe you
recognize someone in your familyor friends and you want to get
to that person and give themsome hope.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yes, well, quick rapid fire.
Just to end on a fun note, iswhat is your favorite comfort
food?
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Oh boy, my favorite comfort food?
Well, I love tamales, we havethem every Christmas.
And my favorite number one foodI don't get very often is king
crab legs.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Really Okay.
What is your favorite smell?
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Oh boy, Cuban cigar.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Really Love, love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I have a sweet.
I have a Cuban cigar once aweek and on Friday evening wow,
see, I learned something newabout you.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
um well, thank you, dr Corona.
Thank you so much for sharingall of your wisdom, all of your
expertise.
For anyone out there listening,all of his information, dr
Corona's information, will be inthe description his books,
everything else, his show, ofcourse.
And from now I just want totell everyone you are awesome,
stay edgy, stay ageless and youare legendary, you.
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