July 30, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, Holly Owens interviews Lisa Harding, co-founder of the Teacher Career Transition Academy. They discuss Lisa's journey from the EdTech world to helping teachers transition into new careers. The conversation covers the importance of clarity before action, the emotional challenges teachers face when leaving the classroom, and the significance of networking and transferable skills in the job market. Lisa shares practical advice for teachers looking to make a career shift, emphasizing the need for a positive mindset and a structured approach to the transition process.
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Hey there, Ed up L&D fam. I'm your host, Tally Owens and I
cannot wait for you to hear thisepisode because I've got one of
my favorite people joining me today, Lisa Harding.
Lisa is not just a LinkedIn friend, colleague and
collaborator. She's also the Co founder of the
Teacher Career Transition Academy and she's on a mission
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to help educators build the nextchapter of their professional
lives with clarity and confidence.
In this episode, we go deep. Lisa shares her journey from the
Ed tech world where she rose to the role of CEO to launching her
own business that supports transitioning teachers
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throughout every step of their career pivot.
We talk about mindset, talk about clarity before action and
why your first job out of teaching.
Teaching is rarely your last stop.
You'll hear practical advice, real talk about up, the
emotional toll of leaving the classroom, and why networking,
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not resumes, is what moves the needle in today's job market.
This conversation is packed withwisdom, heart, and that no fluff
encouragement so many of us needwhen we're making a big leap.
So if you're transitioning teacher, career shifter, or just
need some motivation to believe in your next move, this one's
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our resources, and connect. Hello everyone and welcome to
another amazing episode of add up learning and development.
My name is Holly Owens and I'm your host and I have a very good
friend and guest and colleague all the things LinkedIn
connection here with me today I have Lisa Harding.
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So, Lisa, welcome to the show. Hi Holly, I am so excited to be
here. I am so excited for you to tell
us all about your journey, what you're currently doing with your
teacher. Make sure I say it right because
I get the words mixed up sometimes.
I don't want to mess it up, so I'll let you talk about it.
So let's start at the beginning.Tell us about your journey into
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learning development. You know, I kind of, you know, I
stopped your LinkedIn profile. You were doing something a
little bit different before you jumped into this, this Academy
space and helping transitioning teachers.
So tell us about your journey. Where did you start and where
you are now? Sure.
Well, well, thanks, Holly. Just a shout out to the power of
networking, because Holly and I met on LinkedIn and we've done
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various projects together over the course without ever meeting
in real life. And I think that's just a great
test to the power of networking.Yeah.
For sure. Yeah, yeah, it's great.
So my journey where I am now is a proud and excited Co founder
of the teacher career transitionAcademy, which is an online
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coaching program that helps teachers find new roles outside
the classroom. But that venture is about 3
years old for me. So let's rewind and how did I
get where I I am? I like to go all the way back
and just say my parents were both school teachers.
They met teaching in public education.
All my aunts and cousins were school teachers and and it kind
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of runs in the family, right? So there was this thought that
like I would just be a teacher because everyone else was, but I
took a little bit of a differentpath.
After college, I went directly to work for an Ed tech company.
Specifically, it was a company in the teacher professional
development space, online learning and CE US.
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If you're a teacher and you've done online CE US, you may have
worked with me or my company in the past.
I worked there for 15 years. I had various roles at the
company, but I'd say probably what I'm most honored to say
that I did there was the last five years that I was at the
company, I served as their CEO and I interviewed, recruited,
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hired and worked with career transitioning teachers.
And at the time, I just thought that was part of my job and I
just had that experience. Well, Fast forward, I wanted to
focus on my family and myself. So I stepped down from my role
as CEO and I thought that was it.
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I was going to be a stay at homemom, love on my babies, grow my
family. And I realized that I really
missed working with teachers. And I guess teachers missed
working with me. Folks started reaching out to me
on LinkedIn asking about how to get jobs in the Ed tech space.
And I think that's kind of how it all organically started for
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me. And I started just chatting to
folks about, you know, tips and tricks that from my perspective
on the other side of the hiring table that I saw with
transitioning teachers. And one thing led to another.
I ended up getting my career coaching certification.
And here we are, three years later with the Teacher Career
Transition Academy. And it's, it's grown so much
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since you started it. You know, I, I really want to
commend you on that and I love the fact that you have all the
experience of like the CEO of the marketing, like you truly
have what it takes to like what you're doing and building this.
So it's really cool that you gotthat experience.
It's like you're just, you just started another path.
You just started another career and it's so neat to kind of see
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that come to fruition for you. Thank you.
Yeah. I never in a million years would
I thought that I would be doing this, but here we are.
And now I truly just can't imagine doing anything else.
I feel like everything before this was leading me to this half
and that just feels really good.Yes 100% I love it that you said
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that because I feel like every career or job you have is just a
stepping stone to something greater.
Like I had no idea in 2011 when I left teaching that and getting
into e-learning development thatthat was going to help me land a
role like Amazon or any of thesethings that have happened.
It's crazy, isn't it? People are like it's, you know,
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everything happens, happens for a reason.
I really do feel like careers dothat, jobs and roles and such.
Yeah. And when it aligns so naturally,
I think the other thing is just the passion.
And if the passion is there, andI've always been someone to
follow the passion, I feel like that makes a big difference too.
Yeah. So as you know, many of the
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listeners here, we have the bulkof them, our transitioning
teachers are they're looking to navigate career shifts into this
learning and development state, this place where there's just a
vast amount of different roles. Like I did a LinkedIn recently
live where I talked about all the different roles in L&D.
So what's like 1 pivotal decision or a turning point that
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really just kind of changed everything for you?
And can you put that into a perspective where you're telling
the listeners and giving them kind of advice on like how to do
this because you're successful at it?
And that's what people want. They want to be successful at
it. At at creating like your own.
Yeah, creating your own little journey, but even to your, you
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know, the L&D space just from being in this career Academy
because a lot of your teachers come into this and they want to
be instructional designers. So like, what can people do?
Like talk about a point where it's like, this is what changed
for me, and then talk about a point where like maybe this is
something that they could do to make it change for them.
That's a hard question. I'm putting you on the spot.
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Yes. And I'm trying to see like which
angle to take here, but I, I think clarity before action is
really important. So whether you want to get into
a career and learning and development or you want to start
your own business where you're putting your learning and
development skills into practice, I think either of
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those avenues or maybe it's you don't know what career you want
yet and maybe it's not in learning development.
But whatever the next step is, Ithink clarity before action is
so important because you need toknow where you want to go before
you get there. And I think I mean, in the world
of development and even softwaredevelopment, there's you know, a
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saying it's like for every hour spent pre planning is like 10
hours, you're going to save and development.
And I think the same is true with your career.
So the more you can spend reallyniching down to figure out
what's going to make you happy, where are your true strengths?
Where's that intersection of passion and skill?
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And then lots of research and exploring.
If you can do all of that beforeyou start taking any action,
you'll save yourself a lot of time, I think.
I say the same things to the some of the people that I talked
to, you know, having those 15 minute coffee chats with is like
they'll come in and they'll say like, I want to be in learning
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and development and I'm like, well, what part learning and
development do you want to be in?
I think it's difficult. Like you're not just going into
like a say a software engineer role where that's like a, you
have a strict set of structure there.
You know, what kind of credentials do you need?
Learning and development is seendifferent everywhere.
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So you really have to figure out, am I going on the corporate
track? Am I going to stay a little bit
in the education realm? Am I doing freelance?
Am I doing government? So I think that's really.
Oh boy, my computer's been acting up all day, you know, So
those for those of you listeningor watching, my computer has had
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a mind of its own. It's it's my video's gone.
Still all different kinds of stuff.
So the clarity before action is really, really, really great
advice. So, you know, before, like you
were going into starting up yourAcademy, what did you learn from
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just listening to the transitioning teachers group?
Like what are some of the thingsthat people are coming into
Academy and saying? Like what do they really need?
I'm thinking in particular like the experience of talking to
teachers, they come from a lot of trauma in the classroom.
And before they can really have that clarity before action, they
have to kind of deal with that. So what are some of the
commonalities and similarities that people are coming in with
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and like asking you consistentlyabout?
Yeah, and that's definitely at the forefront of every single
conversation. I mean, because teachers can go
in so many different career paths, but at the very beginning
of it, it seems like everyone has the same struggles.
And we kind of break it down into a four step process at the
Academy. And step one is mindset.
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And it's mindset for a reason. A lot of people want to skip it,
Holly. And I'm like, don't skip this.
And a lot of times, a lot of times the suggestion is for some
folks, it's, you know, you may want to actually get like
professional help and you may need it even after you
transition. Because just depending on your
environment, there can be like real trauma that has happened.
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There can be real physical burnout that you might need a
doctor for. But they're the kind of the
common things there is the guiltof leaving.
Everyone kind of suffers from that.
And I did not leave a classroom setting, but I left a company
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that I worked at for 15 years and they felt like family too.
And I even know the emotional side of making a career
transition with guilt and emotion.
So I can't even imagine what that would be like with a
teacher with little, like with children, because the bond there
is even more emotional than I think maybe like working with
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adults. So there's that guilt and like
navigating through that, there is also realizing yourself
worth. So many times we hear the phrase
like just a teacher or people say I'm just a teacher.
Those who can't teach. Those that can't do teach, like
why do we say that? Like teachers are phenomenal and
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they don't even realize. They don't even realize it
sometimes. So it's believing in yourself,
imposter syndrome, thinking thatyou can't be anything else.
There's just really a big emotional and mental side of any
life change and especially a career change for a teacher.
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For sure. And I just remember coming out
and like you said, you pointed to the guilt, the guilt of like,
you know, you feel this ultimateresponsibility towards your
students and like, making their lives better and you develop
these connections with them. And now you don't know, like, I
work in a very tough district. So I was like helping them with,
like, they didn't have lunch money, they didn't eat
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breakfast, they, you know, stufflike that.
And it's like they relied on you.
And now you're stepping away from that and you're taking care
of yourself. That is such a difficult
transition. It's a lot to deal with.
I also coached field hockey, so I had to leave, you know, the
field hockey through and, and you know, I really wanted to
just have a different, differentcareer path.
So I'm so glad that's one of thefirst things you talked about is
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that mindset shift, because you have to deal with that first
before you can focus on where you're going and in the L&D
space and, and having this career success, this career
transition be something that's successful for you and something
that you want to do. Speaking of that, all too many
times, I don't know if you've experienced this with working
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with transitioning teachers, butpeople take the first job right
out of the gate sometimes. And that's not necessarily
something that I think you should do.
And they take a pay cut. So how do you feel about how do
you navigate that when people ask you like, OK, should I just,
I took this job, it's it's a lower salary, but it's getting
my foot in the door. So how, how can we kind of
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mitigate doing that and then having to jump again into a
different role? Yeah.
And I think that's a really tough question.
And I think the reason it's so tough is because every
individual is in a very different place, Like we're all
the same or they're all the samebecause they want to, they're
transitioning teachers that wantto change, But everyone's
personal situation, financial situation, like is all very
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different. And those are the practical
aspects of a career change that we have to consider.
So I like to talk a lot about bridge jobs.
And to me, a bridge job is something that, like you said,
is that stepping stone. But to me, bridge jobs are ones
that are like easier to walk away from.
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And so you're not necessarily like job hopping, but it's there
as a bridge and no one really expected more from you than it
being a bridge. So that could be like a great
example, like working at Costco or nannying for a family for a
year and you can be upfront withthem, like I'm going to nanny
for a year because I need to getout of the classroom, but I
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don't know what my next career is yet.
So I, I look at those as bridge jobs and you go into them
knowing they're not the end all be all.
When you're talk, when you're talking about career jobs,
though, that's a harder, that's a harder conversation because
sometimes you might want to takethat lower level job to get your
foot in the door and then jump from here to there.
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But if you have, again, clarity before action, if you follow
that, I would say the clarity will push you to only apply for
the jobs that really maybe you should be going for, if that
makes sense. That makes sense and a lot of
people do. I love it.
You have names for all the things that I talk about.
So now I'm going to be stealing your terms to talk about things
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that I normally talk about. So I'm like, it's the first job
out since the first thing that you do.
But the bridge job makes sense. And one of the things I kind of
want to, you know, hone in for the listeners is that your first
job out of it isn't. It's not your last stop.
Like, I feel like people put so many of their eggs in one
basket. Sometimes they're like I just
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because teaching was supposed tobe a lifetime thing, right?
I put all my, I just want this to be the final stuff for me.
But it's not because you're going to learn so much
throughout your career. So take as much of that in as
you can in that role. Do the PD, learn the tools, and
then set yourself up for successfor that next position or that
career position that you're talking about.
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Yeah, and that's a big conversation.
We have a lot too, because like as you pointed out in education,
I mean, if you want to know whatyou're going to be making in 10
years, all you have to do is go to the Department of Education
website if you're a public school teacher and you know what
your job and what you're going to be making is.
Exactly. It's not like that in the
corporate world. And obviously I'm not a fan.
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Like, I'm not going to say, Oh yeah, you should be job jumping
all the time. But I mean, just look at my
career. I was at the same company for 15
years. I literally had to beg, beg to
get my first job there. Like they did not want to hire
me. And I was like yeah cuz I was
going for a role above what theywanted to hire me for.
And they had a lower role open. And I was like, I can't survive
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on that one. Like, please give me a chance.
And then I was running the company.
That's crazy. Like, I mean, how did that even
happen? But it's because in corporate
America, you get your foot in the door and all of these
opportunities open. Like your mind going from
teaching into corporate America is going to be like, it's going
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to explode because you're like, oh, I didn't know that that was
a department. Like, oh, what does that
department do? Like what's your job?
Like you're just introduced to so many new aspects and
companies are growing and changing all the time and they
love to promote from within. So your first job is literally
just like getting your foot in the door and really the Sky's
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the limit. Yeah, I think that speaks to
another thing too, that we really need to tell the
listeners in the community of transitioning teachers is that
you're worth it. And the fact that don't take
like a lower pay to where you can't live, you know, really
advocate for yourself in those higher roles.
Like like you said, you became CEO.
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So it's possible to do that. Give yourself a seat at the
table. Give yourself the opportunity to
really take your teaching experience and put that to use
in those transferable skills. I think one of the things that
is so challenging as a teacher transitioning teachers get
complacent in the fact that they're like or imposter center,
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like I just can't do this, so I'm not going to apply for it.
So how do you feel or how do youhelp people when they're looking
at roles and they're like, I don't know if I'm exactly
qualified this, but they're theyprobably are.
How do you encourage them or motivate them this kind of see
that they should be taking thesechances?
Yeah, it goes back to, like working on, you know, your view
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of yourself and what your skillsare.
I love doing just an inventory. Like, I think a great exercise,
just when you start doing this, write down everything that you
rock at, like everything that you're good at.
And then maybe ask peers, a friend, a family member, like
write down everything awesome about you.
And I think when you see it on paper, you start to realize,
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like, wow, I really do have a lot of amazing skills.
And then what you can do is lookat the job.
Description And as you hone yourtransferable skills and you
start making connections betweenthe skills you have in a
classroom and you start to see how they relate in corporate
America, just go line by line ina job description and say like,
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do I do that? Yes, but how is it different?
OK, well, how can I rephrase that?
And I think you just start to build your confidence that you
can do it too. I think another thing to help
build confidence is surround yourself by other people that
have done it or positive people that have gone through it.
So, you know, following you, Holly on, on, on.
Following you, Lisa too. Yeah.
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And but but really, again, clarity first is following the
people that have taken that exact path that you have.
So if we have a member that's into learning and development,
like you got to follow Holly like that, you know, surround
yourself with people that have done it and talk to people that
have done it too. But also, you know, there will
be jobs that come along and you'll read the description and
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you won't be qualified for them.And that's fine.
I mean, there's jobs that I'm not qualified like and that's
fine. It's not a match, but just
because it says like X years of experience, Think of the term
like experience more broadly. It doesn't have to be exactly
experience in that niche, but you have that experience in your
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classroom and a lot of it is thesame when you look at
transferable skills, especially in the world of learning and
development. Like that's one where it's to me
a no brainer. Like you for sure have that
experience. I have teachers that get into
like brand new career fields andthey may, they may not, so they
have to go and upscale and do different things.
But if you want to get into learning and development
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trading, corporate America, I mean that is all.
Like you have that skill set already 1000%.
Yes. And I think that that kind of
translates into the next question or good transition.
Next question I want to ask is like everybody realized like
there's a piece of your Academy that talks about like resume,
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cover letter, LinkedIn profile. But one of the things I see
people focus on far too heavily is probably the resume aspect.
And I always tell them it's not just one thing you can do.
And it's not like the olden daysback in the day where the resume
was like the Mecca of like what everybody knew about your
experience. It's so different nowadays.
So how do you help people in theAcademy kind of get out of the
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mindset as like they are just focusing on perfecting that
resume or putting in specific tailored resumes to different
roles? And then what comes along all
with all of that, the cover letters, the LinkedIn profile,
the portfolio, all those different things?
Can you speak to that a little bit?
Yeah, people love a resume, Holly, like that.
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Like I know. I'm, I'm, I'm doing a keynote in
the Teacher Career Transition Summit and part of the keynote
is like the areas that teachers tend to get stuck when making a
career transition and what? Definitely a blocker is.
Just wanting to do the resume first.
Like people think I need a new job.
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The first thing I have to do is update my resume.
Everyone, No, that's not the first step actually.
But you know, work on your mindset is step one.
Step 2 is career clarity, and then Step 3 is your marketing
materials. And I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head there, where for me, the resume is essential
because you need one, but it is literally just a piece of an
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entire puzzle. And in today's job market, what
I like to tell people is you need a good enough resume.
And yes, I do. It does need to match the career
that you're going for. It does need to match a job
description so that it's like, this is an LND role, I'm going
for that role. And you wouldn't use an LND
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focused resume to apply for a sales job like that would need
to be different. But when it comes down to like
obsessing over every little detail and changing it for every
little bullet point, I say take all of that time that you would
do on that and put it into networking.
And you're going to get a much higher return on your time
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investment because in today's job market, it is a tough job
market. And there's market experts much
smarter than me that all they dois study the job market.
And so this is coming from them.It's a tough job market.
And submitting your resume aloneis not enough right now.
So take that extra time and put it into setting up informational
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interviews, joining LinkedIn groups, talking to people.
You're going to move the needle much faster.
Yeah, I love that because I you know, it's literally not just
one thing. It you can't just focus on that
or even obsess over the portfolio that because that's
changing too. The resume, I tell people is
such a static document. It doesn't show your
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personality. It just is like what you put in
there, what you've experienced at your care, maybe some skill
sets, some soft, some hard skills or things you have, but
it doesn't show you know who youare.
It's a way to kind of get in andjust get that initial interview,
but it's not the whole package Isee.
It's a piece of the puzzle. So this is going by really fast
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this episode, but I want to see what you would say as an expert,
seeing as an expert in this transition and doing all the
things you're doing with TeacherCareer Transition Academy.
What are like you've said a couple throughout, but what are
like the three pieces of advice?If we're there's a listener
right now, they're sitting and teaching.
They're not happy. They're looking to transition
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out. Besides joining Teacher Career
Transition Academy, which we have everything in the show
notes about how to do that and all Lisa's great events, what
would you tell them to do? Like if you were sitting down
with them in the world, what arethe top three things?
Sure, I think, I think #1 is believe in yourself because
there's a lot of us out there that believe in you and know
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what amazing employees teachers make.
And I can say some of my all time best employees were former
teachers. So believe in yourself.
And two is the importance of process.
And I think that's that's kind of at the heart or that is the
heart and soul of the teacher Career Transition Academy and
what we do with teachers. And I think a lot of the
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roadblocks are just kind of getting off track, doing things
in the wrong order. But there's a process to making
a career transition. And you don't need a coach, You
don't need the Academy. Like I'd love to work with you
and help you through it, but start at the top and work your
way through. So to simplify it, it's work on
your mindset, believe in yourself.
Step 2 is finding career clarity.
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Step 3 is putting your marketingmaterials together.
And Step 4 is learning how to interview and negotiate.
And we talk a lot about the process and whether you just
have those four steps or, or youdive in, write down a checklist.
Teachers do so well with checklist and, and working
things through just having that there as a guide so that when
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you get off track, you can come back and pick up because
momentum is also important. It's like, you know, if you want
a diet or get healthier, it's soeasy to fall off the wagon and
then it's 10 times harder to getback.
On every Monday, every Monday, we're jumping on that wagon,
right? We're just.
Career change is the same, so think of it as a process and
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even if you can do 15 minutes a week working towards your goal,
just to keep that momentum. And then my last big piece of
advice is networking. Networking is so important from
the first second that you'd think maybe I want a new job all
the way through to actually getting the offer.
Networking needs to be somethingthat you're doing regularly and
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consistently. Yeah, I love those.
So believe in yourself first. Deal with all the the trauma
coming out of teaching and knowing your worth dealing with
the imposter syndrome implementation.
The process is important, takingthe steps.
We all know this from in the being in the career space and
then, you know, you said checklists are important as
well. And then was the networking.
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Yeah, the networking piece and being out on LinkedIn.
We're all can't stress that enough.
Enough people are like LinkedIn.Not nowadays.
Job applications mostly ask for your LinkedIn profile.
Like I haven't seen, I've seen more ask it than not at this
point in in looking and doing some of the research.
So Lisa, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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I want you to be able to tell people about some of your events
through Teacher career Transition Academy.
So where can they find you? Where can they learn more about
your events? Where should they go?
And of course, you include this all in the show notes, and of
course it's gonna be attached toyour bio.
But where can we find you? What are you up to?
Sure. Thanks, Holly.
Well, our website which you can drop a link is just teach your
career transition academy.com. From there, you can learn about
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our formal coaching program, butthere is a place for an event
calendar. And if you go over to the event
calendar, we're always offering free coaching calls.
So you can jump on any free coaching call that you want.
Lots of different topics from LinkedIn, resumes, career
clarity, we cover all of it. And then we also have a podcast
(29:58):
as well, which Holly, I got to get you on an episode over there
and just would love to connect with with anyone.
And feel free to follow me on LinkedIn and reach out if you
have any questions. Yeah, thank you so much.
And I love the free events you do and I love participating in
those and meeting your communityand some people who are new to
the community. So it's really fantastic and I'm
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honored to join those because you do such a great job of of
hosting those. So thank you so much again for
coming on the show. And everybody check out the show
notes and where you can find Lisa and the Teacher Career
Transition Academy, and we will talk soon.
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Hey there, Ed up L&D fam. I'm your host, Tally Owens and I
cannot wait for you to hear thisepisode because I've got one of
my favorite people joining me today, Lisa Harding.
Lisa is not just a LinkedIn friend, colleague and
collaborator. She's also the Co founder of the
Teacher Career Transition Academy and she's on a mission
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to help educators build the nextchapter of their professional
lives with clarity and confidence.
In this episode, we go deep. Lisa shares her journey from the
Ed tech world where she rose to the role of CEO to launching her
own business that supports transitioning teachers
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throughout every step of their career pivot.
We talk about mindset, talk about clarity before action and
why your first job out of teaching.
Teaching is rarely your last stop.
You'll hear practical advice, real talk about up, the
emotional toll of leaving the classroom, and why networking,
(01:04):
not resumes, is what moves the needle in today's job market.
This conversation is packed withwisdom, heart, and that no fluff
encouragement so many of us needwhen we're making a big leap.
So if you're transitioning teacher, career shifter, or just
need some motivation to believe in your next move, this one's
(01:28):
for you. Let's dive in.
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our resources, and connect. Hello everyone and welcome to
another amazing episode of add up learning and development.
My name is Holly Owens and I'm your host and I have a very good
friend and guest and colleague all the things LinkedIn
connection here with me today I have Lisa Harding.
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So, Lisa, welcome to the show. Hi Holly, I am so excited to be
here. I am so excited for you to tell
us all about your journey, what you're currently doing with your
teacher. Make sure I say it right because
I get the words mixed up sometimes.
I don't want to mess it up, so I'll let you talk about it.
So let's start at the beginning.Tell us about your journey into
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learning development. You know, I kind of, you know, I
stopped your LinkedIn profile. You were doing something a
little bit different before you jumped into this, this Academy
space and helping transitioning teachers.
So tell us about your journey. Where did you start and where
you are now? Sure.
Well, well, thanks, Holly. Just a shout out to the power of
networking, because Holly and I met on LinkedIn and we've done
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various projects together over the course without ever meeting
in real life. And I think that's just a great
test to the power of networking.Yeah.
For sure. Yeah, yeah, it's great.
So my journey where I am now is a proud and excited Co founder
of the teacher career transitionAcademy, which is an online
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coaching program that helps teachers find new roles outside
the classroom. But that venture is about 3
years old for me. So let's rewind and how did I
get where I I am? I like to go all the way back
and just say my parents were both school teachers.
They met teaching in public education.
All my aunts and cousins were school teachers and and it kind
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of runs in the family, right? So there was this thought that
like I would just be a teacher because everyone else was, but I
took a little bit of a differentpath.
After college, I went directly to work for an Ed tech company.
Specifically, it was a company in the teacher professional
development space, online learning and CE US.
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If you're a teacher and you've done online CE US, you may have
worked with me or my company in the past.
I worked there for 15 years. I had various roles at the
company, but I'd say probably what I'm most honored to say
that I did there was the last five years that I was at the
company, I served as their CEO and I interviewed, recruited,
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hired and worked with career transitioning teachers.
And at the time, I just thought that was part of my job and I
just had that experience. Well, Fast forward, I wanted to
focus on my family and myself. So I stepped down from my role
as CEO and I thought that was it.
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I was going to be a stay at homemom, love on my babies, grow my
family. And I realized that I really
missed working with teachers. And I guess teachers missed
working with me. Folks started reaching out to me
on LinkedIn asking about how to get jobs in the Ed tech space.
And I think that's kind of how it all organically started for
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me. And I started just chatting to
folks about, you know, tips and tricks that from my perspective
on the other side of the hiring table that I saw with
transitioning teachers. And one thing led to another.
I ended up getting my career coaching certification.
And here we are, three years later with the Teacher Career
Transition Academy. And it's, it's grown so much
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since you started it. You know, I, I really want to
commend you on that and I love the fact that you have all the
experience of like the CEO of the marketing, like you truly
have what it takes to like what you're doing and building this.
So it's really cool that you gotthat experience.
It's like you're just, you just started another path.
You just started another career and it's so neat to kind of see
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that come to fruition for you. Thank you.
Yeah. I never in a million years would
I thought that I would be doing this, but here we are.
And now I truly just can't imagine doing anything else.
I feel like everything before this was leading me to this half
and that just feels really good.Yes 100% I love it that you said
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that because I feel like every career or job you have is just a
stepping stone to something greater.
Like I had no idea in 2011 when I left teaching that and getting
into e-learning development thatthat was going to help me land a
role like Amazon or any of thesethings that have happened.
It's crazy, isn't it? People are like it's, you know,
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everything happens, happens for a reason.
I really do feel like careers dothat, jobs and roles and such.
Yeah. And when it aligns so naturally,
I think the other thing is just the passion.
And if the passion is there, andI've always been someone to
follow the passion, I feel like that makes a big difference too.
Yeah. So as you know, many of the
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listeners here, we have the bulkof them, our transitioning
teachers are they're looking to navigate career shifts into this
learning and development state, this place where there's just a
vast amount of different roles. Like I did a LinkedIn recently
live where I talked about all the different roles in L&D.
So what's like 1 pivotal decision or a turning point that
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really just kind of changed everything for you?
And can you put that into a perspective where you're telling
the listeners and giving them kind of advice on like how to do
this because you're successful at it?
And that's what people want. They want to be successful at
it. At at creating like your own.
Yeah, creating your own little journey, but even to your, you
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know, the L&D space just from being in this career Academy
because a lot of your teachers come into this and they want to
be instructional designers. So like, what can people do?
Like talk about a point where it's like, this is what changed
for me, and then talk about a point where like maybe this is
something that they could do to make it change for them.
That's a hard question. I'm putting you on the spot.
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Yes. And I'm trying to see like which
angle to take here, but I, I think clarity before action is
really important. So whether you want to get into
a career and learning and development or you want to start
your own business where you're putting your learning and
development skills into practice, I think either of
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those avenues or maybe it's you don't know what career you want
yet and maybe it's not in learning development.
But whatever the next step is, Ithink clarity before action is
so important because you need toknow where you want to go before
you get there. And I think I mean, in the world
of development and even softwaredevelopment, there's you know, a
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saying it's like for every hour spent pre planning is like 10
hours, you're going to save and development.
And I think the same is true with your career.
So the more you can spend reallyniching down to figure out
what's going to make you happy, where are your true strengths?
Where's that intersection of passion and skill?
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And then lots of research and exploring.
If you can do all of that beforeyou start taking any action,
you'll save yourself a lot of time, I think.
I say the same things to the some of the people that I talked
to, you know, having those 15 minute coffee chats with is like
they'll come in and they'll say like, I want to be in learning
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and development and I'm like, well, what part learning and
development do you want to be in?
I think it's difficult. Like you're not just going into
like a say a software engineer role where that's like a, you
have a strict set of structure there.
You know, what kind of credentials do you need?
Learning and development is seendifferent everywhere.
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So you really have to figure out, am I going on the corporate
track? Am I going to stay a little bit
in the education realm? Am I doing freelance?
Am I doing government? So I think that's really.
Oh boy, my computer's been acting up all day, you know, So
those for those of you listeningor watching, my computer has had
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a mind of its own. It's it's my video's gone.
Still all different kinds of stuff.
So the clarity before action is really, really, really great
advice. So, you know, before, like you
were going into starting up yourAcademy, what did you learn from
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just listening to the transitioning teachers group?
Like what are some of the thingsthat people are coming into
Academy and saying? Like what do they really need?
I'm thinking in particular like the experience of talking to
teachers, they come from a lot of trauma in the classroom.
And before they can really have that clarity before action, they
have to kind of deal with that. So what are some of the
commonalities and similarities that people are coming in with
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and like asking you consistentlyabout?
Yeah, and that's definitely at the forefront of every single
conversation. I mean, because teachers can go
in so many different career paths, but at the very beginning
of it, it seems like everyone has the same struggles.
And we kind of break it down into a four step process at the
Academy. And step one is mindset.
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And it's mindset for a reason. A lot of people want to skip it,
Holly. And I'm like, don't skip this.
And a lot of times, a lot of times the suggestion is for some
folks, it's, you know, you may want to actually get like
professional help and you may need it even after you
transition. Because just depending on your
environment, there can be like real trauma that has happened.
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There can be real physical burnout that you might need a
doctor for. But they're the kind of the
common things there is the guiltof leaving.
Everyone kind of suffers from that.
And I did not leave a classroom setting, but I left a company
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that I worked at for 15 years and they felt like family too.
And I even know the emotional side of making a career
transition with guilt and emotion.
So I can't even imagine what that would be like with a
teacher with little, like with children, because the bond there
is even more emotional than I think maybe like working with
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adults. So there's that guilt and like
navigating through that, there is also realizing yourself
worth. So many times we hear the phrase
like just a teacher or people say I'm just a teacher.
Those who can't teach. Those that can't do teach, like
why do we say that? Like teachers are phenomenal and
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they don't even realize. They don't even realize it
sometimes. So it's believing in yourself,
imposter syndrome, thinking thatyou can't be anything else.
There's just really a big emotional and mental side of any
life change and especially a career change for a teacher.
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For sure. And I just remember coming out
and like you said, you pointed to the guilt, the guilt of like,
you know, you feel this ultimateresponsibility towards your
students and like, making their lives better and you develop
these connections with them. And now you don't know, like, I
work in a very tough district. So I was like helping them with,
like, they didn't have lunch money, they didn't eat
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breakfast, they, you know, stufflike that.
And it's like they relied on you.
And now you're stepping away from that and you're taking care
of yourself. That is such a difficult
transition. It's a lot to deal with.
I also coached field hockey, so I had to leave, you know, the
field hockey through and, and you know, I really wanted to
just have a different, differentcareer path.
So I'm so glad that's one of thefirst things you talked about is
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that mindset shift, because you have to deal with that first
before you can focus on where you're going and in the L&D
space and, and having this career success, this career
transition be something that's successful for you and something
that you want to do. Speaking of that, all too many
times, I don't know if you've experienced this with working
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with transitioning teachers, butpeople take the first job right
out of the gate sometimes. And that's not necessarily
something that I think you should do.
And they take a pay cut. So how do you feel about how do
you navigate that when people ask you like, OK, should I just,
I took this job, it's it's a lower salary, but it's getting
my foot in the door. So how, how can we kind of
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mitigate doing that and then having to jump again into a
different role? Yeah.
And I think that's a really tough question.
And I think the reason it's so tough is because every
individual is in a very different place, Like we're all
the same or they're all the samebecause they want to, they're
transitioning teachers that wantto change, But everyone's
personal situation, financial situation, like is all very
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different. And those are the practical
aspects of a career change that we have to consider.
So I like to talk a lot about bridge jobs.
And to me, a bridge job is something that, like you said,
is that stepping stone. But to me, bridge jobs are ones
that are like easier to walk away from.
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And so you're not necessarily like job hopping, but it's there
as a bridge and no one really expected more from you than it
being a bridge. So that could be like a great
example, like working at Costco or nannying for a family for a
year and you can be upfront withthem, like I'm going to nanny
for a year because I need to getout of the classroom, but I
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don't know what my next career is yet.
So I, I look at those as bridge jobs and you go into them
knowing they're not the end all be all.
When you're talk, when you're talking about career jobs,
though, that's a harder, that's a harder conversation because
sometimes you might want to takethat lower level job to get your
foot in the door and then jump from here to there.
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But if you have, again, clarity before action, if you follow
that, I would say the clarity will push you to only apply for
the jobs that really maybe you should be going for, if that
makes sense. That makes sense and a lot of
people do. I love it.
You have names for all the things that I talk about.
So now I'm going to be stealing your terms to talk about things
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that I normally talk about. So I'm like, it's the first job
out since the first thing that you do.
But the bridge job makes sense. And one of the things I kind of
want to, you know, hone in for the listeners is that your first
job out of it isn't. It's not your last stop.
Like, I feel like people put so many of their eggs in one
basket. Sometimes they're like I just
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because teaching was supposed tobe a lifetime thing, right?
I put all my, I just want this to be the final stuff for me.
But it's not because you're going to learn so much
throughout your career. So take as much of that in as
you can in that role. Do the PD, learn the tools, and
then set yourself up for successfor that next position or that
career position that you're talking about.
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Yeah, and that's a big conversation.
We have a lot too, because like as you pointed out in education,
I mean, if you want to know whatyou're going to be making in 10
years, all you have to do is go to the Department of Education
website if you're a public school teacher and you know what
your job and what you're going to be making is.
Exactly. It's not like that in the
corporate world. And obviously I'm not a fan.
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Like, I'm not going to say, Oh yeah, you should be job jumping
all the time. But I mean, just look at my
career. I was at the same company for 15
years. I literally had to beg, beg to
get my first job there. Like they did not want to hire
me. And I was like yeah cuz I was
going for a role above what theywanted to hire me for.
And they had a lower role open. And I was like, I can't survive
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on that one. Like, please give me a chance.
And then I was running the company.
That's crazy. Like, I mean, how did that even
happen? But it's because in corporate
America, you get your foot in the door and all of these
opportunities open. Like your mind going from
teaching into corporate America is going to be like, it's going
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to explode because you're like, oh, I didn't know that that was
a department. Like, oh, what does that
department do? Like what's your job?
Like you're just introduced to so many new aspects and
companies are growing and changing all the time and they
love to promote from within. So your first job is literally
just like getting your foot in the door and really the Sky's
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the limit. Yeah, I think that speaks to
another thing too, that we really need to tell the
listeners in the community of transitioning teachers is that
you're worth it. And the fact that don't take
like a lower pay to where you can't live, you know, really
advocate for yourself in those higher roles.
Like like you said, you became CEO.
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So it's possible to do that. Give yourself a seat at the
table. Give yourself the opportunity to
really take your teaching experience and put that to use
in those transferable skills. I think one of the things that
is so challenging as a teacher transitioning teachers get
complacent in the fact that they're like or imposter center,
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like I just can't do this, so I'm not going to apply for it.
So how do you feel or how do youhelp people when they're looking
at roles and they're like, I don't know if I'm exactly
qualified this, but they're theyprobably are.
How do you encourage them or motivate them this kind of see
that they should be taking thesechances?
Yeah, it goes back to, like working on, you know, your view
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of yourself and what your skillsare.
I love doing just an inventory. Like, I think a great exercise,
just when you start doing this, write down everything that you
rock at, like everything that you're good at.
And then maybe ask peers, a friend, a family member, like
write down everything awesome about you.
And I think when you see it on paper, you start to realize,
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like, wow, I really do have a lot of amazing skills.
And then what you can do is lookat the job.
Description And as you hone yourtransferable skills and you
start making connections betweenthe skills you have in a
classroom and you start to see how they relate in corporate
America, just go line by line ina job description and say like,
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do I do that? Yes, but how is it different?
OK, well, how can I rephrase that?
And I think you just start to build your confidence that you
can do it too. I think another thing to help
build confidence is surround yourself by other people that
have done it or positive people that have gone through it.
So, you know, following you, Holly on, on, on.
Following you, Lisa too. Yeah.
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And but but really, again, clarity first is following the
people that have taken that exact path that you have.
So if we have a member that's into learning and development,
like you got to follow Holly like that, you know, surround
yourself with people that have done it and talk to people that
have done it too. But also, you know, there will
be jobs that come along and you'll read the description and
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you won't be qualified for them.And that's fine.
I mean, there's jobs that I'm not qualified like and that's
fine. It's not a match, but just
because it says like X years of experience, Think of the term
like experience more broadly. It doesn't have to be exactly
experience in that niche, but you have that experience in your
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classroom and a lot of it is thesame when you look at
transferable skills, especially in the world of learning and
development. Like that's one where it's to me
a no brainer. Like you for sure have that
experience. I have teachers that get into
like brand new career fields andthey may, they may not, so they
have to go and upscale and do different things.
But if you want to get into learning and development
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trading, corporate America, I mean that is all.
Like you have that skill set already 1000%.
Yes. And I think that that kind of
translates into the next question or good transition.
Next question I want to ask is like everybody realized like
there's a piece of your Academy that talks about like resume,
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cover letter, LinkedIn profile. But one of the things I see
people focus on far too heavily is probably the resume aspect.
And I always tell them it's not just one thing you can do.
And it's not like the olden daysback in the day where the resume
was like the Mecca of like what everybody knew about your
experience. It's so different nowadays.
So how do you help people in theAcademy kind of get out of the
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mindset as like they are just focusing on perfecting that
resume or putting in specific tailored resumes to different
roles? And then what comes along all
with all of that, the cover letters, the LinkedIn profile,
the portfolio, all those different things?
Can you speak to that a little bit?
Yeah, people love a resume, Holly, like that.
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Like I know. I'm, I'm, I'm doing a keynote in
the Teacher Career Transition Summit and part of the keynote
is like the areas that teachers tend to get stuck when making a
career transition and what? Definitely a blocker is.
Just wanting to do the resume first.
Like people think I need a new job.
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The first thing I have to do is update my resume.
Everyone, No, that's not the first step actually.
But you know, work on your mindset is step one.
Step 2 is career clarity, and then Step 3 is your marketing
materials. And I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head there, where for me, the resume is essential
because you need one, but it is literally just a piece of an
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entire puzzle. And in today's job market, what
I like to tell people is you need a good enough resume.
And yes, I do. It does need to match the career
that you're going for. It does need to match a job
description so that it's like, this is an LND role, I'm going
for that role. And you wouldn't use an LND
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focused resume to apply for a sales job like that would need
to be different. But when it comes down to like
obsessing over every little detail and changing it for every
little bullet point, I say take all of that time that you would
do on that and put it into networking.
And you're going to get a much higher return on your time
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investment because in today's job market, it is a tough job
market. And there's market experts much
smarter than me that all they dois study the job market.
And so this is coming from them.It's a tough job market.
And submitting your resume aloneis not enough right now.
So take that extra time and put it into setting up informational
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interviews, joining LinkedIn groups, talking to people.
You're going to move the needle much faster.
Yeah, I love that because I you know, it's literally not just
one thing. It you can't just focus on that
or even obsess over the portfolio that because that's
changing too. The resume, I tell people is
such a static document. It doesn't show your
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personality. It just is like what you put in
there, what you've experienced at your care, maybe some skill
sets, some soft, some hard skills or things you have, but
it doesn't show you know who youare.
It's a way to kind of get in andjust get that initial interview,
but it's not the whole package Isee.
It's a piece of the puzzle. So this is going by really fast
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this episode, but I want to see what you would say as an expert,
seeing as an expert in this transition and doing all the
things you're doing with TeacherCareer Transition Academy.
What are like you've said a couple throughout, but what are
like the three pieces of advice?If we're there's a listener
right now, they're sitting and teaching.
They're not happy. They're looking to transition
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out. Besides joining Teacher Career
Transition Academy, which we have everything in the show
notes about how to do that and all Lisa's great events, what
would you tell them to do? Like if you were sitting down
with them in the world, what arethe top three things?
Sure, I think, I think #1 is believe in yourself because
there's a lot of us out there that believe in you and know
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what amazing employees teachers make.
And I can say some of my all time best employees were former
teachers. So believe in yourself.
And two is the importance of process.
And I think that's that's kind of at the heart or that is the
heart and soul of the teacher Career Transition Academy and
what we do with teachers. And I think a lot of the
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roadblocks are just kind of getting off track, doing things
in the wrong order. But there's a process to making
a career transition. And you don't need a coach, You
don't need the Academy. Like I'd love to work with you
and help you through it, but start at the top and work your
way through. So to simplify it, it's work on
your mindset, believe in yourself.
Step 2 is finding career clarity.
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Step 3 is putting your marketingmaterials together.
And Step 4 is learning how to interview and negotiate.
And we talk a lot about the process and whether you just
have those four steps or, or youdive in, write down a checklist.
Teachers do so well with checklist and, and working
things through just having that there as a guide so that when
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you get off track, you can come back and pick up because
momentum is also important. It's like, you know, if you want
a diet or get healthier, it's soeasy to fall off the wagon and
then it's 10 times harder to getback.
On every Monday, every Monday, we're jumping on that wagon,
right? We're just.
Career change is the same, so think of it as a process and
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even if you can do 15 minutes a week working towards your goal,
just to keep that momentum. And then my last big piece of
advice is networking. Networking is so important from
the first second that you'd think maybe I want a new job all
the way through to actually getting the offer.
Networking needs to be somethingthat you're doing regularly and
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consistently. Yeah, I love those.
So believe in yourself first. Deal with all the the trauma
coming out of teaching and knowing your worth dealing with
the imposter syndrome implementation.
The process is important, takingthe steps.
We all know this from in the being in the career space and
then, you know, you said checklists are important as
well. And then was the networking.
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Yeah, the networking piece and being out on LinkedIn.
We're all can't stress that enough.
Enough people are like LinkedIn.Not nowadays.
Job applications mostly ask for your LinkedIn profile.
Like I haven't seen, I've seen more ask it than not at this
point in in looking and doing some of the research.
So Lisa, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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I want you to be able to tell people about some of your events
through Teacher career Transition Academy.
So where can they find you? Where can they learn more about
your events? Where should they go?
And of course, you include this all in the show notes, and of
course it's gonna be attached toyour bio.
But where can we find you? What are you up to?
Sure. Thanks, Holly.
Well, our website which you can drop a link is just teach your
career transition academy.com. From there, you can learn about
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our formal coaching program, butthere is a place for an event
calendar. And if you go over to the event
calendar, we're always offering free coaching calls.
So you can jump on any free coaching call that you want.
Lots of different topics from LinkedIn, resumes, career
clarity, we cover all of it. And then we also have a podcast
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as well, which Holly, I got to get you on an episode over there
and just would love to connect with with anyone.
And feel free to follow me on LinkedIn and reach out if you
have any questions. Yeah, thank you so much.
And I love the free events you do and I love participating in
those and meeting your communityand some people who are new to
the community. So it's really fantastic and I'm
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honored to join those because you do such a great job of of
hosting those. So thank you so much again for
coming on the show. And everybody check out the show
notes and where you can find Lisa and the Teacher Career
Transition Academy, and we will talk soon.
Hi, we're ispring, an international team of e-learning
enthusiasts who help more than 60,000 clients across the globe
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succeed with better online learning.
Our two flagship solutions are ispring Suite and ispring Learn
LMS. Ispring Suite is an intuitive,
all in one authoring tool for creating engaging e-learning
content, while ispringlearn is an innovative online training
platform for onboarding, upskilling and certifying your
teams. We'd be happy to get to know you
and pick a solution that fits your needs best.
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Go to www.ispringsolutions.com to learn more about us and
connect. Thanks for spending a few
minutes with Holly. She knows your podcast queue is
packed. If today's episode sparked an
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She reads every message. Until next time, keep learning,
keep leading, and keep believingin your own story.
Talk soon.
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