July 21, 2025 • 34 mins
Season 3, Episode 3
In this episode of Elevate with Grace, Claire and Miranda tackle a topic that’s been buzzing in every inbox, newsfeed, and team meeting: AI. Not from a tech-guru angle, but from a grounded, thoughtful perspective on how it can actually help us live and work better. Whether you’re dabbling, avoiding, or already deep in AI experimentation, this conversation will help you find clarity, confidence and a human-first mindset in this new landscape.
We’re here to explore:
- How AI can be a career multiplier
- Why your human skills are your superpower
- The ethics of using AI intentionally, and what it means to stay in the driver’s seat
Key Takeaways & Quotes
- AI is a mindset shift, expect trial and error, and delayed gratification before the magic happens
- Start with one prompt a day, build AI into your workflow gradually
- Empathy, leadership and critical thinking are more valuable than ever
- You are still the author, AI can support, but never replace, your unique voice
- Ethics matter so know where your data is going and how your outputs reflect your values
“AI can be our co-pilot, but it's not our script writer. We are still the author of our lives.” – Miranda
“AI doesn’t make someone feel truly seen. That’s our edge. That’s our job.” – Claire
“Just because it reduces labour doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.” – Miranda
Run List
00.00 Introduction
02.00 Action Challenge Recap
05.10 AI as a Career Multiplier
15.02 Human Skills are still your superpower
24.00 The ethics of using AI intentionally
30.44 Action Challenge & Closing points
Key Resources Mentioned
- Tools: ChatGPT, Descript, Canva, Copilot, Notion, Perplexity
- Courses: Allie Miller – AI for Everyone & Tomer Cohen – AI + Product Thinking (LinkedIn Learning)
- Newsletters: The Rundown AI, The Neuron & Simple AI
- Podcasts: How I Work by Amantha Imber
- Books & Articles:
- Competing in the Age of AI by Karim R. Lakhani
- Forbes: Gen Z and AI
- HBR: Workplace Loneliness and AI
- Disney/Universal v Midjourney (AI + IP Law)
Music created by Claire's daughter Hannah
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Miranda (00:00):
Welcome to Elevate with Grace, a podcast for people who
are short on time and long totake steps to create success on
their own terms.
If you are feeling overworked,undervalued, and stuck in the
daily juggle, knowing you aremeant for more, then this
podcast is for you.
We cut through the noise tobring you the most valuable
up-to-date insights, expert,wisdom and practical strategies
(00:20):
with bite-sized actionable tipswe help you take bold steps to
creating real progress, realimpact, and a career and life
that truly work for you.
Claire (00:30):
Hello.
Hello, beautiful friends andwelcome back to Elevate with
Grace.
I am so excited for thisepisode.
Okay.
I know I say that everyepisode, but if you know me,
you'll know i've become veryinterested in AI latelynot in a
let's jump into the hottest newtech kind of way, but in a
curious, how can this actuallyhelp me live in work better kind
(00:52):
of way?
Today, Miranda and I are divinginto a conversation about ai.
One that's practical and realand one that I know so many of
us are wanting to explore rightnow.
What is AI really all about forambitious, thoughtful, evolving
women like us.
We're gonna talk about how wecan use it intentionally to
create more clarity, more ease,and more space to support our
(01:13):
voice, protect our time, andtake some of that admin off our
shoulders.
If your inbox and media feedslook anything like mine right
now, the word AI is everywhere.
Headlines, job descriptions,team meetings, webinars, and
with it comes a lot of curiosityand maybe a bit of overwhelm
too.
So let's slow it down and let'sexplore this together.
(01:34):
Firstly, AI and its potentialto be a career multiplier, then
about how our human skills arereally our superpower for
long-term success, and alsotouch on a bit of AI and ethics
and why being thoughtful andcautious and wary is a good
thing and absolutely requiredwhen we're exploring how we can
use AI to double down on somethings in our lives.
(01:57):
This episode is about optimismand intention and letting AI
help us where it can, and at thesame time holding on to what
makes us irreplaceably human.
Before we dive in a quick checkon last Pod's Action Challenge.
Our action challenge was tolook at a small action each week
that we can make small stepstowards a reimagined version of
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success for ourselves that'spersonal to us.
So for me, I looked at theFuture Four model that Brendan
Burchard used in his book HighPerformance Habits and the four
aspects of that model were Self,Social ,Skills and S ervice.
For self, my focus was on myenergy levels.
Do things like make sure I'mgoing to bed at the same time.
And reading some fiction to tryto help my sleep patterns.
(02:40):
Paying attention to mymindfulness.
I'm noticing that I'm living inmy head a lot again lately.
In terms of social.
When someone was on my mind, Ithought to send them a quick
text message with somethingpersonal if I haven't spoken to
them for a little while.
'cause we all get busy.
For skills particularlypoignant for this episode today,
I've been playing around alittle bit with different ways
(03:01):
to use AI throughout my day, andservice.
Brendan Burchard also has thisconcept of asking yourself each
morning, who needs me on my agame today?
How can I show up as my bestself for myself and those
people.
Um.
So, yeah, I found it quitesuccessful.
I have had a lot going on inthe last month, sickness in the
house lots going on at work andon the personal front.
(03:22):
So trying to stay on top ofthose things and having little
things to focus on is alwayshelpful, I find to just bring us
back and make sure that we'restaying true to those things
that we want.
I know you are as excited as Iam to talk about all things ai.
How's things with you?
What did you uncover foryourself with the Action
Challenge, and what are youlooking forward to about today's
(03:43):
episode?
Miranda (03:44):
Claire, always a joy to be spending time with you and
what a great action challengeresult.
I know you were saying this islots of other things going on in
your life, but it's so awesomethat you've taken that model and
that hopefully you're findingyou can feel more control in
your day by thinking about thosethings on top of all the other
crazy that's happening.
For me, I took a weekly actionto help move the needle, as we
said we wanted to plan out someof those changes that I wanted
(04:06):
to see and take action toimplement those changes.
I'm happy with the progress.
It's mostly work related.
It's just really important tohave those conversations that in
the moment give you a headachein the moment are hard but are
making a difference and do helpget that progress that you need.
So all is good there.
On ai.
I couldn't agree more.
I am just.
(04:26):
I've been really wanting totalk about these because I
really do feel like there is somuch potential in ai to make our
lives just that little bitbetter.
And I think in the last sort offive or six years we've been
asked to take on a lot more.
We've seen a lot of companiesshrink their resource pool.
Is this the opportunity for usto be able to reclaim our lives
while still outputting thatproductivity that is so
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important to keep thosebusinesses running.
I've sought to learn a bitabout the AI theory in the last
12 months while we're dabbling,just to understand a little bit
of the background on what'sgoing on in that sphere.
In terms of tools, I've dabbledwith things like Descript for
editing or Dali.
They've been challenging and Ithink that's a really important
thing for us to think about whenwe are getting into these
tools.
They're not always gonna besuper intuitive.
(05:08):
We're gonna have to learn somethings.
I have found Canva quitehelpful and I do feel like Chat
GPT I use most and find it veryeffective.
So I, I really do think thatthis is a great episode to be
talking about.
Because sometimes things dotake time and some of our
listeners may have tried acouple of things and gone, oh,
that actually took longer.
But from what I've seen,particularly with how I'm using
(05:28):
ChatGPT now, I think that whenour skills and the AI tools are
ready, that it really we'regonna hit warp speed on the work
that we can do.
And I love some of the otherways you've been using it,
Claire.
There is so many things that wecan just improve upon and
almost mine the internet for allof the gems that they've got
without it taking us days to gothrough.
So I find that very exciting.
(05:49):
I think both the tools and ourlearning is still got some time
to take there and I don'tbelieve anybody's truly mastered
it yet.
So I think it's gonna be a bitof trial and error for a little
while, but this is the time tostart and there is gonna be a
little bit of delayedgratification around this.
It's not gonna be instantmagic, but I do believe that any
investment of time and energythat we put behind this, we are
(06:10):
going to get out of it.
So very excited to get intothis episode.
Claire (06:14):
Yeah.
I, I love what you're talkingabout there.
It's, it's quite complex andnuanced and I love how in your
experimenting and learning, youtalk about embracing AI as a
mindset shift.
I think that's such a greatlaunch pad for the few things
that we're gonna talk about inthis episode today.
For us as smart women with lotsgoing on, that mindset shift is
(06:34):
something like smart women plussmart tools equals exponential
potential to help us reframe andthink about AI and what it can
do for us as a career multiplierand life enhancer is a good way
I feel to start thinking about.
As you mentioned, It's a bitof.
investment in understanding thetools.
There's so many tools that youcan play around with.
(06:54):
I think that's one of thechallenges.
Where do I start?
How do I go about learning someof these things?
How do I make it effective AndI've enjoyed that.
I've been using Chat GPT invarious chats.
I use it a lot now for thispodcast.
I find it's really helpful onceit understands our brand voice
and what we're trying to achievewith this podcast.
(07:16):
It can serve me up some reallygood ideas around content for
socials so I am enjoying that.
I've also been using it as aplanning tool for our European
vacation that we're taking atthe end of the year with the
family.
Chat GPT has really been goodat helping me plan an itinerary.
I'm testing it out at themoment to see if it can help me
book flights and things.
(07:36):
It's a bit hit and miss as yousay, and I think there's a lot
that we need to do to understandhow to use it effectively.
It's not a Google search tool.
It's a very different type oftool.
I haven't had as much successwith it in Canva.
So that's interesting to knowthat you've found it really good
in Canva.
So I think I'm keen to chat toyou offline about how you're
(07:56):
getting it to work well for youand sharing those tips and
tricks and tools that we're eachusing, we're all learning this
together Many of us arebalancing so much career, life,
family, community and imagine ifAI can help automate 20% of our
day, that's 20% more space forcreativity, for strategy, for
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mentoring, for joy.
you know, You're right, thereis more pressure to deliver more
things at work and at life.
If AI can help us do some ofthose things, I think it's a
positive thing to be exploringand, and being cautious as well
that we're gonna talk about alittle bit later in the podcast.
From my perspective, and I'msure yours Miranda, and I'm sure
a lot of people, there's a alot of conversations around AI
(08:40):
in the workplace where it canhelp us, where we should be
using it, how can we be using itto double down on things like
productivity.
And that's where the overwhelmcan come a little bit, because
when there's so much potential,but you've gotta always bring it
back to the, what's the problemthat we're trying to solve
here?
How is this going to help andenhance our human capabilities
(09:02):
as opposed to just seeing it asanother tool that's gonna be
used for productivity uplift Ithink it's a bit more nuanced
like that, that we've started totalk about.
Have you had any goodexperiences with redesigning
your work week?
Are you using it in anyspecific ways or are you just
dabbling different things at themoment?
Miranda (09:19):
Definitely a bit of both.
And I must admit, Canva's beena bit hit and miss.
So we'll certainly talk aboutthat more.
And I do think that this is agreat platform, maybe with the
socials, but also each episode,maybe we offer an AI tool or an
AI tip.
I feel like the Internet'ssuggesting that we're already
too late.
We've already missed out onmastering ai.
And that the people with thejobs in the future have gotta
(09:42):
have ai and that if you don'thave it, you're somehow going to
be losing a job or not beingable to get the next job.
And I just think that we alljust calm down a little bit on
that because it is still new, itis still evolving.
It's really only been the lastsix months that people have been
actively talking about these AItools.
So for anyone out there thatfeels like they just woke up and
(10:02):
this AI thing became a thingand they missed out on it,
you're on that journey with usand it's absolutely a right time
to dabble.
I've stumbled onto a reallygreat LinkedIn training from Ali
Miller, who speaks aboutadapting AI as a mindset that
when we first use it, it's notcoming naturally so we need to
sort of help to bring it intopart of our everyday or any of
(10:23):
everyday thinking.
As part of that, I've startedusing it in anything that's
gonna take more than 30 minutes.
I'm saying, okay, could AI helpme with this to speed up that
time?
And I've found that that's beenreally great.
So an example of a 30 minutetask might be something like
summarizing a doc into one ortwo, high level strategy pieces.
It's great sort of taking thatinformation and helping you
(10:45):
summarize it.
It does need caution.
You then need to read it andyou need to make sure that it,
makes sense.
It's not gonna stop youbringing your intelligence or
your insights into it, but it isgonna take a whole lot of
information and summarize itinto those key points so that
you can then very quicklyanalyze it rather than spending
all of your time trying todigest what is this document
trying to tell me?
(11:06):
So I think it takes some ofthat.
Early days, like assistant roleout of it for you, right?
Somebody would've got thatdocument, summarized it for the
head guru.
The head guru would've thentaken that information and used
the data or the key facts, andput that out there as what
everybody needed to know.
So I do think that's great.
I've also used it to try andedit our podcast a little while
(11:26):
ago when we were doing our firstepisode, and I found that
initially I did the videos, Idid the training, but actually
it took longer to edit usingthose tools.
And I think partially some ofthe technology's not quite there
yet.
So then I've dialed it backfor, episode since and just put
a toe in and tried some littlebits and pieces.
And I think that it's justgonna take some training and,
(11:47):
you are training the AI as muchas it's training you.
So I do think that that'ssomething that we really wanna
keep in mind.
I'm not put off by that.
It's not like I'm not gonna usethe tool again.
It's just okay.
Bit by bit understanding thatsome of that technology's not
there.
And I do feel like that's foreverybody.
We are gonna have some hits andmisses.
It takes time to learn, butwhen you get past that early
(12:07):
friction, it's gonna be a greatsupport system.
It is gonna save us time.
It is worth that little bit ofinvestment.
For anyone who's feelingunsure.
I'd say just start.
It's a tool.
Think about the prompt and themore that you can put into the
prompt, it's not Google, themore that you can put into a
prompt, the more you're gonnaget out of it.
So when you're doing Chat GPTI've got an app for Chat GPT
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where I can press a littlespeaker and I can speak into it,
my daily agenda, and it's gonnagive me back some key points
which is fantastic.
If I've got an email that I'msending to somebody who is
fairly different to me, maybehas some biases in terms of the
way that they want to understandor read things then I can make
sure that.
I've taken the information Iput in and then rather than
agonizing over how wouldsomebody interpret it or how
(12:48):
when someone speak it, I can sayto Chat GPT I wanna send this
to somebody who is verycorporate, very direct, doesn't
like a lot of personality intheir emails, so can you rewrite
this in that way?
And it's gonna pump it out insomething that is a little bit
more on point and succinct forthe type of person I'm sending
it to.
I think that's incrediblyvaluable.
So to start, start with aprompt.
(13:10):
Start with a bit of curiosityand um, know that you're just at
the beginning of this journeyand let's take it together.
Claire (13:15):
Yeah.
And what I'd say on that isonce you start, or certainly
it's a bit like, if you're gonnabuy a type of car and then all
you ever see on the roads is allof a sudden that type of car, I
think once you start, you'llnotice that there is a lot of
content, say in LinkedIn feedsabout ai, some people are
posting some really goodsuggestions on those prompts
that you can use.
You can ask ChatGPT, what am Imissing here?
(13:38):
Or here's my strategy document.
In a best practice strategydocument, what sort of things
should I be talking about in2025 for thinking long-term
future, and you can ask itquestions as well as prompt it I
use it a lot for those emailtidy up.
I tend to power out an emailand now I just put it in a first
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draft and then I throw it incopilot or Chat GPT, and I'm
like, can you just neaten thisup a bit for me?
it just does that second layerof editing that I don't need to
do.
So I found that really handy.
In terms of keeping an eye outfor little tips and tricks they
are everywhere when you start tonotice, and it is worthwhile
testing and learning with thoseprompts and tools in your
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toolbox.
Amantha Imber, and her podcast,How I Work.
I've noticed lately, she's gotsome great episodes on tips and
tricks on how to guide ai.
She talks about using it as anarchitect rather than guns
slinging.
They're really short episodes,so I highly recommend our
listeners subscribing toAmantha's podcast so you can see
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these episodes as they drop andjust giving you little tools
and suggestions and ideas on howyou can play around with the
tools that are available,particularly Chat GPT they talk
about.
Now while I am super curiousand optimistic about the ways AI
can support us.
as a general rule, my biggestpassion is about helping humans
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level up to their highestpotential to help them create
real lasting impact.
And right now human connectionand capabilities matter more
than ever, particularly in thisworld where we're trying to
blend blend AI capabilities, AIagents, automations with humans.
While AI is powerful, it's nothuman.
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And in this technology,fast-paced world our most
valuable skills are the onesthat tech can't replicate.
Our empathy, our leadershipstyles, storytelling, our
intuition, our perspective, ourlife experiences.
While AI can help us writecontent, it can't build trust.
It can analyze data, but itcan't walk into a room and make
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people feel seen and heard.
It can help us brainstormideas, but it can't use lived
experiences of our lives to makecomplex decisions or coach
people in teams throughconflict.
There's so much of our humansuperpowers that we need to
continually be bringing to thetable.
And so anyone that's feeling abit fearful around AI and what
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it's gonna do for our jobs.
It's about really thinking froma personal perspective, what
are those things that make youyou and give you your
superpowers and giving you theopportunity to double down on
those and let AI take some ofthat administration work, the
second drafts, the reviewingdocuments and things like that,
but it doesn't take away fromour humanity and who we uniquely
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are as individuals.
So how I would talk to AI orhow it picks up our voice from
our Elevate with Grace Podcastis different to how someone else
will communicate and the moreyou work with ai, the more it
gets to know your styles.
And you can work together as atool, but you are always the one
that's coming with thecreativity, the ideas.
(16:57):
I think that's really importantfor us to remember.
AI can be our co-pilot, butit's not our script writer, we
are still the author of ourlives.
We still get to shape how wewant our lives to be, and we
need to be using it as apersonalized help tool.
It's not taking over what'suniquely you and I think.
we've got a criticalresponsibility to protect
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ourselves, our customers, ourteams, our kids, the next
generation.
Making sure that we are reallybeing thoughtful and considered
and cautious about how we areblending AI in with our humanity
and, and human skill sets.
I don't know what you thinkabout that, Miranda, but that's
something that's reallyimportant to me.
Miranda (17:39):
No, I truly agree with this, and I think it's something
that more conversation needs tohappen around that.
I don't think there's enoughpeople talking about what that
tool looks like today.
I.
While it might help us workfaster, it really can't make us
someone feel truly seen.
And what we've seen with socialis probably, it's gone too far
to the negative side.
So I think it's important thatwe really think about the
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positive and negative sides ofAI and try and help shape what
is good for us and what is goingto up level our lives.
And not take away from them.
So I keep using the word tool.
This is a tool like email orthe internet, it's actually a
way that makes the internet moremeaningful potentially for us
to use.
So it could be fantastic but itis critical that we keep
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training ourselves in those coreskills and some of those
potentially have gotten away.
So cognitive processing,critical reasoning empathy, it's
so important.
It feels like it's reallymissing sometimes.
And that's subconscious humanconnection.
That's how edge it's our job.
And I know when I've putprompts into Chat GPT, the
responses I've got back do haveto be shaped.
You still have to spend a lotof time crafting it and it is
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never gonna be a hundred percentif you submit that as your a
hundred percent, I promise youpeople read through it in a
heartbeat.
You have to bring yourhumanness and your background
and your insights back to it.
it doesn't replace your job, itenhances it, potentially it
tries to help you.
It takes some of that mentalload off you so that you can
focus on what's truly importantin terms of the outcomes of
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that.
There is a real concern, Ithink, around the erosion of
core skills.
I mean, imagine if you're usingthis at 10 at 15 before you've
had a chance to reallyunderstand and develop cognitive
processing and criticalreasoning.
I think that's concerning andthat's something that there is a
little bit of conversationaround and there needs to be a
lot more conversation around.
I've seen some great influencesout there ex teachers, et
(19:30):
cetera, putting together toolswhere they're trying to say,
look, kids are gonna use thistool.
But we have to shape it and wehave to sit there with them and
every week we have to catch upwith them and really understand
what they want out of it and howdo we make it a tool that's
enhance their study experienceand not take away from their
ability to do that criticalreasoning.
So I think that is a goodstart.
But it has to be, I think, atthat education global level
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because it is something that weneed everyone to be across.
Research is showing declininglevels of cognitive abilities.
We're seeing social fluencyimpacted by screen first
interactions.
So I don't think it's alarmist.
I think this is something wehave to learn from.
We're not just losing attentionspans, we are losing empathy in
the workspace as a result ofthose screen first interactions.
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So we want to consider whatmakes us explicitly human.
And how can we ensure thatthose people around us feel like
they have a quality humanconnection.
And potentially AI is gonnahelp with that because it may
actually gift people back moretime to spend with people.
When you are trying to squeezewhat used to be 15 hours of work
into eight hours and it's nevereight hours it does take away
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from some of those humanconnections.
Because it's like too busy, toobusy, too busy.
So if the tool can give us backmore time and we can spend more
time going, yep, what do youneed?
I think that'd be absolutelyfantastic.
And what do you need?
What do my team need?
What's those connections thatthey're missing with their team,
with their families, with theircommunity?
That if they could just be ableto get this one task done in a
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quarter of the time that, thatwould bring some impact to the
workforce, but also to theirquality of life.
That's where we step in asleaders, as colleagues, as
parents, that we model theconversations that we ask better
questions, that we're reallylistening and that we're
actually having thatconversation about what this
tool could do.
Claire (21:08):
You mentioned teachers.
For any of us that haveteachers in our lives there's a
lot of challenges with teachingyoung people today who are
quite, for what of a betterword, addicted to getting back
on screens, getting back ondevices.
I saw a Forbes article recentlythat touted a figure something
like 80% of Gen Z said theywould marry an ai, which I found
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really quite eyeopening andintriguing.
But part of me can understandthat a little bit if I'm honest,
because when I'm typing intoChat GPT and asking for help.
Or asking Chat GPT to look atthings particularly for our
podcast, it's full ofcompliments back.
Oh, Claire, this is a fantasticidea, I really like what you're
doing here.
This is amazing there's a lotof positive reinforcement from
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Chat GPT.
And in some ways it isflattering and addictive, but
the challenge for us and thegrowth for us as humans, as you
said, is in that criticalthinking and dissenting views
and having those human to humanconversations.
This conversation that you andI having, like I'm learning
things that I just wouldn'tlearn if I was sitting all day
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on Chat GPT chatting away to myai.
I read an interesting HarvardBusiness School article, I think
it was from last year, thatfound that across four studies
employees who use AI as a corepart of their jobs reported
feeling lonelier, drinking, moresuffering from insomnia than
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employees who don't.
So this is a really big piecethat we need to navigate quite
carefully, and I think it's whythere's quite a bit of
resistance to ai, but it's here,right?
It's a bit like, with socialmedia.
I know we're trying to get somelaws in place about children
under 16, not using the tools,but it's all been a bit too late
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and I think we've really got anopportunity to not be thinking
about just experimenting withthese tools, thinking quite
carefully about how, as you saywe support kids in the classroom
to understand what it can andcan't do.
We are thinking about what itcan and can't do.
We are looking to how we use itto then create space to spend
time on our human connectionsand developing those
(23:22):
relationships, not to use it toavoid those human relationships.
It doesn't replace them by anymeans.
And we have to be very carefulabout getting, I guess, swept
away with the all of thecompliments that we can
sometimes get with our AI toolsand the assistance.
So yeah, it's a, it's a reallyinteresting space.
Miranda (23:41):
Maybe because we're a bit older and we're used to the
way the world worked before,we're not as swept up by that.
It's sort of almost a littlebit shammy, but potentially for
those in their twenties, gettingsome of those compliments feels
really nice right now.
And it's hard when you're firstlearning the workforce and
learning how to be an adult andhaving someone tell you that
you're brilliant feels good,even if it's not necessarily
(24:01):
real.
I do think that some of theethics around.
AI definitely are where I feelboth cautious yet hopeful
because if we can get it rightwe create something very
powerful and we create somethingthat potentially does warp
speed our lives.
But if we don't, we do riskamplifying the worst parts of
the internet.
You mentioned something aroundbias, and bias is huge, right?
(24:21):
People have trained the AItools, people have put the
information into the internet,so bias is there.
We have to actively look for itand make sure that we are not
perpetuating that in our worldjust because we've used the
tool.
So misinformation iss anotherbig one.
We've seen how misinformationcan be used and abused through
social media, and I think withthe AI tools it becomes even
(24:43):
more risky.
So we need to make sure thatwe're really on alert.
We're actively looking for itand we're pushing against it.
While AI often presents as agift to humanity, and it could
be, and the internet has been,let's be honest, we've become a
real global world as part of it.
We just need to understand whatthose inherent risks are, and I
don't think we understand themall just yet.
I certainly don't but I'mcurious and I am following
(25:04):
different newsletters anddifferent learning and studies
to try and educate myself onthat space.
And I don't think it shoulddeter us from using it, but I
think it's about understandingthe right way to use it.
And as we catch up on some ofthose concerns, that we are
raising them and we're notwaiting for somebody else to go,
oh, that's a problem.
I think it's important that weactively all play a role in
(25:25):
saying, what can we do to makesure that that doesn't hurt our
workmates, it doesn't hurt ourschool communities, it doesn't
hurt our way of being and justbecause it will reduce the labor
costs, it doesn't always meanit's the right thing to do.
We've seen some of the industrymovements from the writers and
from the actors where they'vereally pushed against it and it
was hard for them in the moment.
(25:45):
Some of them were reallystruggling to pay their bills,
but they fought for what wasright 'cause they understood
that not just now, but in thenext 5, 10, 15 years, their
rights were important.
Midjourney is currently beingsued by Disney and Universal
because, they're creatingcontent that's too close to
their character ip.
It is incredibly important thatjust because the tool provides
it to you, you are still incharge of the output.
(26:06):
So if it's going across somekind of creator IP or it just
doesn't feel right don't use itbecause you are still inherently
responsible for the outcome ofthat.
But I am glad to see, and Ithink it's important, whether
it's from a design point of viewor a creation of thought
leadership point of view, thatwe are, I love your analogy at
the driver's seat we are makingsure that it's the co-pilot.
(26:27):
It's helping you to find somemore efficiencies.
It's the assistant that youwish you could hire, but you
just don't have that resource orthat time or that money.
But it is the assistant, it isnot the driver.
Kareem Lakini from Harvard hadsaid something who stuck with
me, that AI lowers the cost ofexpertise.
It means that people withcuriosity and broad knowledge
can use this tool incrediblywell.
(26:48):
So people with liberal artsdegrees are gonna come back in
fashion.
Things like literature,history, ethics.
Because it's going to help feedthe right prompts into the
prompt engineering to get agreat outcome because it is
helping that critical thinkingand that processing, which I
think is very cool.
And so I'm hopeful that it willhelp us with that mental load.
But I'm really glad, Claire,that in this where we're getting
(27:09):
very excited about the toolsand the time it can save us that
we're also very much thinkingabout the bias.
I do think in terms of theconcerns around taking away
jobs, there's some really goodstudies out there, and I think
in our living history, we'veonly seen jobs created as part
of these tools.
Yes, some the jobs have goneaway, but there's been more jobs
(27:30):
created.
Think about social media.
The role search optimization itwas only a tool after the
internet came out, we definitelyneed the right ethics and due
diligence and healthy dose ofcuriosity and optimism.
Claire (27:41):
I agree with that.
There is many interesting jobsthat are gonna come out of this,
but I also think when I look ata lot of the entry level roles
for university grads, forexample those roles, you
mentioned before aboutdeveloping critical thinking, in
high trust environments likehealthcare, education, financial
(28:04):
services, there's a trustelement to it.
We've got organizations thathold our money.
And so some of those customerfacing roles what does that look
like in the future?
What does the jobs look likefor people?
What about people that are intheir forties and fifties that
are in jobs that are likely tobe taken over by ai.
Where are we as leaders makingsure that we're upskilling
(28:27):
people or giving themopportunities to upskill.
Because what we've gotta becareful about is these set of
jobs become redundant, but thosepeople that are doing those
jobs haven't been given theopportunity or leadership or
skill sets to transfer intoother jobs.
I think what's reallyinteresting too is this concept
of what are the gen alphas gonnado?
What does the next layer ofjobs look like?
(28:49):
And I think we're all not sureabout that.
But spending time, on workingalongside those younger
generations or people that arein specific jobs to help them
re-skill or help them understandthe limitations and where their
own personal IP and livedexperiences are critical.
They can't just pick them allup off the internet or off Chat
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GPT is a big part of theequation as well.
How are we moving and shiftingand changing as humanity to make
sure that those jobopportunities are available for
everyone as we go forward?
I think that's a big thing too,that we need to be thoughtful
of.
Miranda (29:24):
A hundred percent and this potentially could allow a
lot of small and mediumbusinesses that haven't had a
huge success rate in the past toreally thrive because of the
tools that are there, but youare right a hundred percent.
We have to make sure thateverybody comes on this journey
and people aren't left behind.
Potentially Gen Alpha will bebetter at using these tools than
us, but
Claire (29:44):
Oh,
Miranda (29:44):
see how we go with that one.
Yeah.
Claire (29:46):
In a couple of our next episodes we'll be combining some
of those key human skills, andreally thinking about some of
those superpowers as leaders, asmembers of our teams and within
our communities and things.
So I think it's gonna be good,as you mentioned, as we go
forward with the podcast, to betalking about AI as copilot as
we sit in the
Miranda (30:06):
Mm-hmm.
Claire (30:06):
some of those other skills that we need to be
re-imagining our own successesin 2025 and beyond.
So, yeah, I'm looking forwardto those chats too.
I think AI is something that weneed to weave into some of
those conversations goingforward.
So it's been good to just talkabout it upfront and have a bit
of exploring.
I'm looking forward to having alook at that LinkedIn video
(30:27):
that you mentioned.
Miranda (30:28):
Mm.
Claire (30:28):
know, there's a lot of, a lot of great tools and
education that are worthwhiledipping into here and there just
to keep upskilling ourselves.
So I'll check out that one.
Miranda (30:37):
Absolutely.
I think it's all very excitingand I do honestly think we could
talk on this for hours.
So more to come for thosefuture episodes.
But for now, let's wrap up toour action challenge and a
really big call out with thisone.
If you are using any AI toolsand it's free.
They are using your data andthey're using the information
that you feed in to help teachthe tool.
(30:59):
So I really wanna make sure bigPSA on this one.
Please make sure that you'reusing a paid version if any of
the data is confidential.
And if you're using any workdata you need to get work
permission and potentially beingon a work secure AI that is
paid for.
You do not wanna beaccidentally putting
confidential information outthere in the world.
(31:20):
So big PSA on that one, it isincredibly important as part of
the theory around ai.
Where is this information goingand protect that.
Please, please, please.
Claire (31:28):
Really good point, Miranda.
Yeah, Being thoughtful aroundcorporate private data and all
the
Miranda (31:33):
mm-hmm.
Claire (31:33):
is really important.
Make sure that you understandwhere firewalls are in terms of
data protection.
Miranda (31:39):
And, and just your own personal protection as well.
You don't wanna be puttingstuff out there that's, just
you.
But I do think it'd be great ifyou could set a goal.
So our action challenge set agoal of one AI engagement per
day.
Per day feels too big, just perweek.
It could be drafting, planningsummarizing or ideating.
This isn't about becoming anexpert, it's just about building
(31:59):
familiarity with a tool likeChat GPT or Canva, copilot
notions, like another one,perplexity or Claud and we can
put a couple of the examples inour show notes on some of the
tools that are available.
A bonus point if you take on alearning challenge.
So subscribing to an AInewsletter, and there are a
couple of absolutely fantasticones.
(32:21):
The neuron.
The rundown AI or simple AI aresome really good ones that are
out there.
Or check out Allie Miller'sLinkedIn Learning or Tomer
Cohen's LinkedIn Learning.
If you've got Blinkist, there'salso a great little piece from
Blinkist through a researcher,James Altucher.
He's done a little seriesabout, little bit more around
the ethics, but also the usecases for ai.
(32:44):
So definitely check that out.
So it's an on the job trainingtool that's gonna shape your
future.
So we totally hope you take onthis action challenge.
Claire (32:52):
Well, thanks Miranda.
This has been
Miranda (32:54):
an
Claire (32:54):
a mazing conversation.
I really think an importantone, so I'm glad we sort of got
into it early in season three.
We have put all the curatedcontent that we've mentioned
today in the pod episode.
Check out the notes and thenjust dip into some of the stuff
that resonates with you and willinspire you to take small
actionable steps for your ownsuccess journey.
(33:14):
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Miranda (33:36):
Claire, you're a legend.
Thank you so much.
This has been an awesomeepisode.
I am so excited that we got totalk about ai.
So huge thank you.
Huge thank you to ourlisteners, and look forward to
doing it again next month.
Claire (33:47):
Thanks, Miranda.
See you next month.
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Claire (00:30):
Hello.
Hello, beautiful friends andwelcome back to Elevate with
Grace.
I am so excited for thisepisode.
Okay.
I know I say that everyepisode, but if you know me,
you'll know i've become veryinterested in AI latelynot in a
let's jump into the hottest newtech kind of way, but in a
curious, how can this actuallyhelp me live in work better kind
(00:52):
of way?
Today, Miranda and I are divinginto a conversation about ai.
One that's practical and realand one that I know so many of
us are wanting to explore rightnow.
What is AI really all about forambitious, thoughtful, evolving
women like us.
We're gonna talk about how wecan use it intentionally to
create more clarity, more ease,and more space to support our
(01:13):
voice, protect our time, andtake some of that admin off our
shoulders.
If your inbox and media feedslook anything like mine right
now, the word AI is everywhere.
Headlines, job descriptions,team meetings, webinars, and
with it comes a lot of curiosityand maybe a bit of overwhelm
too.
So let's slow it down and let'sexplore this together.
(01:34):
Firstly, AI and its potentialto be a career multiplier, then
about how our human skills arereally our superpower for
long-term success, and alsotouch on a bit of AI and ethics
and why being thoughtful andcautious and wary is a good
thing and absolutely requiredwhen we're exploring how we can
use AI to double down on somethings in our lives.
(01:57):
This episode is about optimismand intention and letting AI
help us where it can, and at thesame time holding on to what
makes us irreplaceably human.
Before we dive in a quick checkon last Pod's Action Challenge.
Our action challenge was tolook at a small action each week
that we can make small stepstowards a reimagined version of
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success for ourselves that'spersonal to us.
So for me, I looked at theFuture Four model that Brendan
Burchard used in his book HighPerformance Habits and the four
aspects of that model were Self,Social ,Skills and S ervice.
For self, my focus was on myenergy levels.
Do things like make sure I'mgoing to bed at the same time.
And reading some fiction to tryto help my sleep patterns.
(02:40):
Paying attention to mymindfulness.
I'm noticing that I'm living inmy head a lot again lately.
In terms of social.
When someone was on my mind, Ithought to send them a quick
text message with somethingpersonal if I haven't spoken to
them for a little while.
'cause we all get busy.
For skills particularlypoignant for this episode today,
I've been playing around alittle bit with different ways
(03:01):
to use AI throughout my day, andservice.
Brendan Burchard also has thisconcept of asking yourself each
morning, who needs me on my agame today?
How can I show up as my bestself for myself and those
people.
Um.
So, yeah, I found it quitesuccessful.
I have had a lot going on inthe last month, sickness in the
house lots going on at work andon the personal front.
(03:22):
So trying to stay on top ofthose things and having little
things to focus on is alwayshelpful, I find to just bring us
back and make sure that we'restaying true to those things
that we want.
I know you are as excited as Iam to talk about all things ai.
How's things with you?
What did you uncover foryourself with the Action
Challenge, and what are youlooking forward to about today's
(03:43):
episode?
Miranda (03:44):
Claire, always a joy to be spending time with you and
what a great action challengeresult.
I know you were saying this islots of other things going on in
your life, but it's so awesomethat you've taken that model and
that hopefully you're findingyou can feel more control in
your day by thinking about thosethings on top of all the other
crazy that's happening.
For me, I took a weekly actionto help move the needle, as we
said we wanted to plan out someof those changes that I wanted
(04:06):
to see and take action toimplement those changes.
I'm happy with the progress.
It's mostly work related.
It's just really important tohave those conversations that in
the moment give you a headachein the moment are hard but are
making a difference and do helpget that progress that you need.
So all is good there.
On ai.
I couldn't agree more.
I am just.
(04:26):
I've been really wanting totalk about these because I
really do feel like there is somuch potential in ai to make our
lives just that little bitbetter.
And I think in the last sort offive or six years we've been
asked to take on a lot more.
We've seen a lot of companiesshrink their resource pool.
Is this the opportunity for usto be able to reclaim our lives
while still outputting thatproductivity that is so
(04:48):
important to keep thosebusinesses running.
I've sought to learn a bitabout the AI theory in the last
12 months while we're dabbling,just to understand a little bit
of the background on what'sgoing on in that sphere.
In terms of tools, I've dabbledwith things like Descript for
editing or Dali.
They've been challenging and Ithink that's a really important
thing for us to think about whenwe are getting into these
tools.
They're not always gonna besuper intuitive.
(05:08):
We're gonna have to learn somethings.
I have found Canva quitehelpful and I do feel like Chat
GPT I use most and find it veryeffective.
So I, I really do think thatthis is a great episode to be
talking about.
Because sometimes things dotake time and some of our
listeners may have tried acouple of things and gone, oh,
that actually took longer.
But from what I've seen,particularly with how I'm using
(05:28):
ChatGPT now, I think that whenour skills and the AI tools are
ready, that it really we'regonna hit warp speed on the work
that we can do.
And I love some of the otherways you've been using it,
Claire.
There is so many things that wecan just improve upon and
almost mine the internet for allof the gems that they've got
without it taking us days to gothrough.
So I find that very exciting.
(05:49):
I think both the tools and ourlearning is still got some time
to take there and I don'tbelieve anybody's truly mastered
it yet.
So I think it's gonna be a bitof trial and error for a little
while, but this is the time tostart and there is gonna be a
little bit of delayedgratification around this.
It's not gonna be instantmagic, but I do believe that any
investment of time and energythat we put behind this, we are
(06:10):
going to get out of it.
So very excited to get intothis episode.
Claire (06:14):
Yeah.
I, I love what you're talkingabout there.
It's, it's quite complex andnuanced and I love how in your
experimenting and learning, youtalk about embracing AI as a
mindset shift.
I think that's such a greatlaunch pad for the few things
that we're gonna talk about inthis episode today.
For us as smart women with lotsgoing on, that mindset shift is
(06:34):
something like smart women plussmart tools equals exponential
potential to help us reframe andthink about AI and what it can
do for us as a career multiplierand life enhancer is a good way
I feel to start thinking about.
As you mentioned, It's a bitof.
investment in understanding thetools.
There's so many tools that youcan play around with.
(06:54):
I think that's one of thechallenges.
Where do I start?
How do I go about learning someof these things?
How do I make it effective AndI've enjoyed that.
I've been using Chat GPT invarious chats.
I use it a lot now for thispodcast.
I find it's really helpful onceit understands our brand voice
and what we're trying to achievewith this podcast.
(07:16):
It can serve me up some reallygood ideas around content for
socials so I am enjoying that.
I've also been using it as aplanning tool for our European
vacation that we're taking atthe end of the year with the
family.
Chat GPT has really been goodat helping me plan an itinerary.
I'm testing it out at themoment to see if it can help me
book flights and things.
(07:36):
It's a bit hit and miss as yousay, and I think there's a lot
that we need to do to understandhow to use it effectively.
It's not a Google search tool.
It's a very different type oftool.
I haven't had as much successwith it in Canva.
So that's interesting to knowthat you've found it really good
in Canva.
So I think I'm keen to chat toyou offline about how you're
(07:56):
getting it to work well for youand sharing those tips and
tricks and tools that we're eachusing, we're all learning this
together Many of us arebalancing so much career, life,
family, community and imagine ifAI can help automate 20% of our
day, that's 20% more space forcreativity, for strategy, for
(08:17):
mentoring, for joy.
you know, You're right, thereis more pressure to deliver more
things at work and at life.
If AI can help us do some ofthose things, I think it's a
positive thing to be exploringand, and being cautious as well
that we're gonna talk about alittle bit later in the podcast.
From my perspective, and I'msure yours Miranda, and I'm sure
a lot of people, there's a alot of conversations around AI
(08:40):
in the workplace where it canhelp us, where we should be
using it, how can we be using itto double down on things like
productivity.
And that's where the overwhelmcan come a little bit, because
when there's so much potential,but you've gotta always bring it
back to the, what's the problemthat we're trying to solve
here?
How is this going to help andenhance our human capabilities
(09:02):
as opposed to just seeing it asanother tool that's gonna be
used for productivity uplift Ithink it's a bit more nuanced
like that, that we've started totalk about.
Have you had any goodexperiences with redesigning
your work week?
Are you using it in anyspecific ways or are you just
dabbling different things at themoment?
Miranda (09:19):
Definitely a bit of both.
And I must admit, Canva's beena bit hit and miss.
So we'll certainly talk aboutthat more.
And I do think that this is agreat platform, maybe with the
socials, but also each episode,maybe we offer an AI tool or an
AI tip.
I feel like the Internet'ssuggesting that we're already
too late.
We've already missed out onmastering ai.
And that the people with thejobs in the future have gotta
(09:42):
have ai and that if you don'thave it, you're somehow going to
be losing a job or not beingable to get the next job.
And I just think that we alljust calm down a little bit on
that because it is still new, itis still evolving.
It's really only been the lastsix months that people have been
actively talking about these AItools.
So for anyone out there thatfeels like they just woke up and
(10:02):
this AI thing became a thingand they missed out on it,
you're on that journey with usand it's absolutely a right time
to dabble.
I've stumbled onto a reallygreat LinkedIn training from Ali
Miller, who speaks aboutadapting AI as a mindset that
when we first use it, it's notcoming naturally so we need to
sort of help to bring it intopart of our everyday or any of
(10:23):
everyday thinking.
As part of that, I've startedusing it in anything that's
gonna take more than 30 minutes.
I'm saying, okay, could AI helpme with this to speed up that
time?
And I've found that that's beenreally great.
So an example of a 30 minutetask might be something like
summarizing a doc into one ortwo, high level strategy pieces.
It's great sort of taking thatinformation and helping you
(10:45):
summarize it.
It does need caution.
You then need to read it andyou need to make sure that it,
makes sense.
It's not gonna stop youbringing your intelligence or
your insights into it, but it isgonna take a whole lot of
information and summarize itinto those key points so that
you can then very quicklyanalyze it rather than spending
all of your time trying todigest what is this document
trying to tell me?
(11:06):
So I think it takes some ofthat.
Early days, like assistant roleout of it for you, right?
Somebody would've got thatdocument, summarized it for the
head guru.
The head guru would've thentaken that information and used
the data or the key facts, andput that out there as what
everybody needed to know.
So I do think that's great.
I've also used it to try andedit our podcast a little while
(11:26):
ago when we were doing our firstepisode, and I found that
initially I did the videos, Idid the training, but actually
it took longer to edit usingthose tools.
And I think partially some ofthe technology's not quite there
yet.
So then I've dialed it backfor, episode since and just put
a toe in and tried some littlebits and pieces.
And I think that it's justgonna take some training and,
(11:47):
you are training the AI as muchas it's training you.
So I do think that that'ssomething that we really wanna
keep in mind.
I'm not put off by that.
It's not like I'm not gonna usethe tool again.
It's just okay.
Bit by bit understanding thatsome of that technology's not
there.
And I do feel like that's foreverybody.
We are gonna have some hits andmisses.
It takes time to learn, butwhen you get past that early
(12:07):
friction, it's gonna be a greatsupport system.
It is gonna save us time.
It is worth that little bit ofinvestment.
For anyone who's feelingunsure.
I'd say just start.
It's a tool.
Think about the prompt and themore that you can put into the
prompt, it's not Google, themore that you can put into a
prompt, the more you're gonnaget out of it.
So when you're doing Chat GPTI've got an app for Chat GPT
(12:27):
where I can press a littlespeaker and I can speak into it,
my daily agenda, and it's gonnagive me back some key points
which is fantastic.
If I've got an email that I'msending to somebody who is
fairly different to me, maybehas some biases in terms of the
way that they want to understandor read things then I can make
sure that.
I've taken the information Iput in and then rather than
agonizing over how wouldsomebody interpret it or how
(12:48):
when someone speak it, I can sayto Chat GPT I wanna send this
to somebody who is verycorporate, very direct, doesn't
like a lot of personality intheir emails, so can you rewrite
this in that way?
And it's gonna pump it out insomething that is a little bit
more on point and succinct forthe type of person I'm sending
it to.
I think that's incrediblyvaluable.
So to start, start with aprompt.
(13:10):
Start with a bit of curiosityand um, know that you're just at
the beginning of this journeyand let's take it together.
Claire (13:15):
Yeah.
And what I'd say on that isonce you start, or certainly
it's a bit like, if you're gonnabuy a type of car and then all
you ever see on the roads is allof a sudden that type of car, I
think once you start, you'llnotice that there is a lot of
content, say in LinkedIn feedsabout ai, some people are
posting some really goodsuggestions on those prompts
that you can use.
You can ask ChatGPT, what am Imissing here?
(13:38):
Or here's my strategy document.
In a best practice strategydocument, what sort of things
should I be talking about in2025 for thinking long-term
future, and you can ask itquestions as well as prompt it I
use it a lot for those emailtidy up.
I tend to power out an emailand now I just put it in a first
(13:58):
draft and then I throw it incopilot or Chat GPT, and I'm
like, can you just neaten thisup a bit for me?
it just does that second layerof editing that I don't need to
do.
So I found that really handy.
In terms of keeping an eye outfor little tips and tricks they
are everywhere when you start tonotice, and it is worthwhile
testing and learning with thoseprompts and tools in your
(14:21):
toolbox.
Amantha Imber, and her podcast,How I Work.
I've noticed lately, she's gotsome great episodes on tips and
tricks on how to guide ai.
She talks about using it as anarchitect rather than guns
slinging.
They're really short episodes,so I highly recommend our
listeners subscribing toAmantha's podcast so you can see
(14:44):
these episodes as they drop andjust giving you little tools
and suggestions and ideas on howyou can play around with the
tools that are available,particularly Chat GPT they talk
about.
Now while I am super curiousand optimistic about the ways AI
can support us.
as a general rule, my biggestpassion is about helping humans
(15:06):
level up to their highestpotential to help them create
real lasting impact.
And right now human connectionand capabilities matter more
than ever, particularly in thisworld where we're trying to
blend blend AI capabilities, AIagents, automations with humans.
While AI is powerful, it's nothuman.
(15:28):
And in this technology,fast-paced world our most
valuable skills are the onesthat tech can't replicate.
Our empathy, our leadershipstyles, storytelling, our
intuition, our perspective, ourlife experiences.
While AI can help us writecontent, it can't build trust.
It can analyze data, but itcan't walk into a room and make
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people feel seen and heard.
It can help us brainstormideas, but it can't use lived
experiences of our lives to makecomplex decisions or coach
people in teams throughconflict.
There's so much of our humansuperpowers that we need to
continually be bringing to thetable.
And so anyone that's feeling abit fearful around AI and what
(16:12):
it's gonna do for our jobs.
It's about really thinking froma personal perspective, what
are those things that make youyou and give you your
superpowers and giving you theopportunity to double down on
those and let AI take some ofthat administration work, the
second drafts, the reviewingdocuments and things like that,
but it doesn't take away fromour humanity and who we uniquely
(16:36):
are as individuals.
So how I would talk to AI orhow it picks up our voice from
our Elevate with Grace Podcastis different to how someone else
will communicate and the moreyou work with ai, the more it
gets to know your styles.
And you can work together as atool, but you are always the one
that's coming with thecreativity, the ideas.
(16:57):
I think that's really importantfor us to remember.
AI can be our co-pilot, butit's not our script writer, we
are still the author of ourlives.
We still get to shape how wewant our lives to be, and we
need to be using it as apersonalized help tool.
It's not taking over what'suniquely you and I think.
we've got a criticalresponsibility to protect
(17:19):
ourselves, our customers, ourteams, our kids, the next
generation.
Making sure that we are reallybeing thoughtful and considered
and cautious about how we areblending AI in with our humanity
and, and human skill sets.
I don't know what you thinkabout that, Miranda, but that's
something that's reallyimportant to me.
Miranda (17:39):
No, I truly agree with this, and I think it's something
that more conversation needs tohappen around that.
I don't think there's enoughpeople talking about what that
tool looks like today.
I.
While it might help us workfaster, it really can't make us
someone feel truly seen.
And what we've seen with socialis probably, it's gone too far
to the negative side.
So I think it's important thatwe really think about the
(18:02):
positive and negative sides ofAI and try and help shape what
is good for us and what is goingto up level our lives.
And not take away from them.
So I keep using the word tool.
This is a tool like email orthe internet, it's actually a
way that makes the internet moremeaningful potentially for us
to use.
So it could be fantastic but itis critical that we keep
(18:25):
training ourselves in those coreskills and some of those
potentially have gotten away.
So cognitive processing,critical reasoning empathy, it's
so important.
It feels like it's reallymissing sometimes.
And that's subconscious humanconnection.
That's how edge it's our job.
And I know when I've putprompts into Chat GPT, the
responses I've got back do haveto be shaped.
You still have to spend a lotof time crafting it and it is
(18:47):
never gonna be a hundred percentif you submit that as your a
hundred percent, I promise youpeople read through it in a
heartbeat.
You have to bring yourhumanness and your background
and your insights back to it.
it doesn't replace your job, itenhances it, potentially it
tries to help you.
It takes some of that mentalload off you so that you can
focus on what's truly importantin terms of the outcomes of
(19:08):
that.
There is a real concern, Ithink, around the erosion of
core skills.
I mean, imagine if you're usingthis at 10 at 15 before you've
had a chance to reallyunderstand and develop cognitive
processing and criticalreasoning.
I think that's concerning andthat's something that there is a
little bit of conversationaround and there needs to be a
lot more conversation around.
I've seen some great influencesout there ex teachers, et
(19:30):
cetera, putting together toolswhere they're trying to say,
look, kids are gonna use thistool.
But we have to shape it and wehave to sit there with them and
every week we have to catch upwith them and really understand
what they want out of it and howdo we make it a tool that's
enhance their study experienceand not take away from their
ability to do that criticalreasoning.
So I think that is a goodstart.
But it has to be, I think, atthat education global level
(19:52):
because it is something that weneed everyone to be across.
Research is showing declininglevels of cognitive abilities.
We're seeing social fluencyimpacted by screen first
interactions.
So I don't think it's alarmist.
I think this is something wehave to learn from.
We're not just losing attentionspans, we are losing empathy in
the workspace as a result ofthose screen first interactions.
(20:12):
So we want to consider whatmakes us explicitly human.
And how can we ensure thatthose people around us feel like
they have a quality humanconnection.
And potentially AI is gonnahelp with that because it may
actually gift people back moretime to spend with people.
When you are trying to squeezewhat used to be 15 hours of work
into eight hours and it's nevereight hours it does take away
(20:33):
from some of those humanconnections.
Because it's like too busy, toobusy, too busy.
So if the tool can give us backmore time and we can spend more
time going, yep, what do youneed?
I think that'd be absolutelyfantastic.
And what do you need?
What do my team need?
What's those connections thatthey're missing with their team,
with their families, with theircommunity?
That if they could just be ableto get this one task done in a
(20:53):
quarter of the time that, thatwould bring some impact to the
workforce, but also to theirquality of life.
That's where we step in asleaders, as colleagues, as
parents, that we model theconversations that we ask better
questions, that we're reallylistening and that we're
actually having thatconversation about what this
tool could do.
Claire (21:08):
You mentioned teachers.
For any of us that haveteachers in our lives there's a
lot of challenges with teachingyoung people today who are
quite, for what of a betterword, addicted to getting back
on screens, getting back ondevices.
I saw a Forbes article recentlythat touted a figure something
like 80% of Gen Z said theywould marry an ai, which I found
(21:32):
really quite eyeopening andintriguing.
But part of me can understandthat a little bit if I'm honest,
because when I'm typing intoChat GPT and asking for help.
Or asking Chat GPT to look atthings particularly for our
podcast, it's full ofcompliments back.
Oh, Claire, this is a fantasticidea, I really like what you're
doing here.
This is amazing there's a lotof positive reinforcement from
(21:56):
Chat GPT.
And in some ways it isflattering and addictive, but
the challenge for us and thegrowth for us as humans, as you
said, is in that criticalthinking and dissenting views
and having those human to humanconversations.
This conversation that you andI having, like I'm learning
things that I just wouldn'tlearn if I was sitting all day
(22:17):
on Chat GPT chatting away to myai.
I read an interesting HarvardBusiness School article, I think
it was from last year, thatfound that across four studies
employees who use AI as a corepart of their jobs reported
feeling lonelier, drinking, moresuffering from insomnia than
(22:38):
employees who don't.
So this is a really big piecethat we need to navigate quite
carefully, and I think it's whythere's quite a bit of
resistance to ai, but it's here,right?
It's a bit like, with socialmedia.
I know we're trying to get somelaws in place about children
under 16, not using the tools,but it's all been a bit too late
(23:00):
and I think we've really got anopportunity to not be thinking
about just experimenting withthese tools, thinking quite
carefully about how, as you saywe support kids in the classroom
to understand what it can andcan't do.
We are thinking about what itcan and can't do.
We are looking to how we use itto then create space to spend
time on our human connectionsand developing those
(23:22):
relationships, not to use it toavoid those human relationships.
It doesn't replace them by anymeans.
And we have to be very carefulabout getting, I guess, swept
away with the all of thecompliments that we can
sometimes get with our AI toolsand the assistance.
So yeah, it's a, it's a reallyinteresting space.
Miranda (23:41):
Maybe because we're a bit older and we're used to the
way the world worked before,we're not as swept up by that.
It's sort of almost a littlebit shammy, but potentially for
those in their twenties, gettingsome of those compliments feels
really nice right now.
And it's hard when you're firstlearning the workforce and
learning how to be an adult andhaving someone tell you that
you're brilliant feels good,even if it's not necessarily
(24:01):
real.
I do think that some of theethics around.
AI definitely are where I feelboth cautious yet hopeful
because if we can get it rightwe create something very
powerful and we create somethingthat potentially does warp
speed our lives.
But if we don't, we do riskamplifying the worst parts of
the internet.
You mentioned something aroundbias, and bias is huge, right?
(24:21):
People have trained the AItools, people have put the
information into the internet,so bias is there.
We have to actively look for itand make sure that we are not
perpetuating that in our worldjust because we've used the
tool.
So misinformation iss anotherbig one.
We've seen how misinformationcan be used and abused through
social media, and I think withthe AI tools it becomes even
(24:43):
more risky.
So we need to make sure thatwe're really on alert.
We're actively looking for itand we're pushing against it.
While AI often presents as agift to humanity, and it could
be, and the internet has been,let's be honest, we've become a
real global world as part of it.
We just need to understand whatthose inherent risks are, and I
don't think we understand themall just yet.
I certainly don't but I'mcurious and I am following
(25:04):
different newsletters anddifferent learning and studies
to try and educate myself onthat space.
And I don't think it shoulddeter us from using it, but I
think it's about understandingthe right way to use it.
And as we catch up on some ofthose concerns, that we are
raising them and we're notwaiting for somebody else to go,
oh, that's a problem.
I think it's important that weactively all play a role in
(25:25):
saying, what can we do to makesure that that doesn't hurt our
workmates, it doesn't hurt ourschool communities, it doesn't
hurt our way of being and justbecause it will reduce the labor
costs, it doesn't always meanit's the right thing to do.
We've seen some of the industrymovements from the writers and
from the actors where they'vereally pushed against it and it
was hard for them in the moment.
(25:45):
Some of them were reallystruggling to pay their bills,
but they fought for what wasright 'cause they understood
that not just now, but in thenext 5, 10, 15 years, their
rights were important.
Midjourney is currently beingsued by Disney and Universal
because, they're creatingcontent that's too close to
their character ip.
It is incredibly important thatjust because the tool provides
it to you, you are still incharge of the output.
(26:06):
So if it's going across somekind of creator IP or it just
doesn't feel right don't use itbecause you are still inherently
responsible for the outcome ofthat.
But I am glad to see, and Ithink it's important, whether
it's from a design point of viewor a creation of thought
leadership point of view, thatwe are, I love your analogy at
the driver's seat we are makingsure that it's the co-pilot.
(26:27):
It's helping you to find somemore efficiencies.
It's the assistant that youwish you could hire, but you
just don't have that resource orthat time or that money.
But it is the assistant, it isnot the driver.
Kareem Lakini from Harvard hadsaid something who stuck with
me, that AI lowers the cost ofexpertise.
It means that people withcuriosity and broad knowledge
can use this tool incrediblywell.
(26:48):
So people with liberal artsdegrees are gonna come back in
fashion.
Things like literature,history, ethics.
Because it's going to help feedthe right prompts into the
prompt engineering to get agreat outcome because it is
helping that critical thinkingand that processing, which I
think is very cool.
And so I'm hopeful that it willhelp us with that mental load.
But I'm really glad, Claire,that in this where we're getting
(27:09):
very excited about the toolsand the time it can save us that
we're also very much thinkingabout the bias.
I do think in terms of theconcerns around taking away
jobs, there's some really goodstudies out there, and I think
in our living history, we'veonly seen jobs created as part
of these tools.
Yes, some the jobs have goneaway, but there's been more jobs
(27:30):
created.
Think about social media.
The role search optimization itwas only a tool after the
internet came out, we definitelyneed the right ethics and due
diligence and healthy dose ofcuriosity and optimism.
Claire (27:41):
I agree with that.
There is many interesting jobsthat are gonna come out of this,
but I also think when I look ata lot of the entry level roles
for university grads, forexample those roles, you
mentioned before aboutdeveloping critical thinking, in
high trust environments likehealthcare, education, financial
(28:04):
services, there's a trustelement to it.
We've got organizations thathold our money.
And so some of those customerfacing roles what does that look
like in the future?
What does the jobs look likefor people?
What about people that are intheir forties and fifties that
are in jobs that are likely tobe taken over by ai.
Where are we as leaders makingsure that we're upskilling
(28:27):
people or giving themopportunities to upskill.
Because what we've gotta becareful about is these set of
jobs become redundant, but thosepeople that are doing those
jobs haven't been given theopportunity or leadership or
skill sets to transfer intoother jobs.
I think what's reallyinteresting too is this concept
of what are the gen alphas gonnado?
What does the next layer ofjobs look like?
(28:49):
And I think we're all not sureabout that.
But spending time, on workingalongside those younger
generations or people that arein specific jobs to help them
re-skill or help them understandthe limitations and where their
own personal IP and livedexperiences are critical.
They can't just pick them allup off the internet or off Chat
(29:09):
GPT is a big part of theequation as well.
How are we moving and shiftingand changing as humanity to make
sure that those jobopportunities are available for
everyone as we go forward?
I think that's a big thing too,that we need to be thoughtful
of.
Miranda (29:24):
A hundred percent and this potentially could allow a
lot of small and mediumbusinesses that haven't had a
huge success rate in the past toreally thrive because of the
tools that are there, but youare right a hundred percent.
We have to make sure thateverybody comes on this journey
and people aren't left behind.
Potentially Gen Alpha will bebetter at using these tools than
us, but
Claire (29:44):
Oh,
Miranda (29:44):
see how we go with that one.
Yeah.
Claire (29:46):
In a couple of our next episodes we'll be combining some
of those key human skills, andreally thinking about some of
those superpowers as leaders, asmembers of our teams and within
our communities and things.
So I think it's gonna be good,as you mentioned, as we go
forward with the podcast, to betalking about AI as copilot as
we sit in the
Miranda (30:06):
Mm-hmm.
Claire (30:06):
some of those other skills that we need to be
re-imagining our own successesin 2025 and beyond.
So, yeah, I'm looking forwardto those chats too.
I think AI is something that weneed to weave into some of
those conversations goingforward.
So it's been good to just talkabout it upfront and have a bit
of exploring.
I'm looking forward to having alook at that LinkedIn video
(30:27):
that you mentioned.
Miranda (30:28):
Mm.
Claire (30:28):
know, there's a lot of, a lot of great tools and
education that are worthwhiledipping into here and there just
to keep upskilling ourselves.
So I'll check out that one.
Miranda (30:37):
Absolutely.
I think it's all very excitingand I do honestly think we could
talk on this for hours.
So more to come for thosefuture episodes.
But for now, let's wrap up toour action challenge and a
really big call out with thisone.
If you are using any AI toolsand it's free.
They are using your data andthey're using the information
that you feed in to help teachthe tool.
(30:59):
So I really wanna make sure bigPSA on this one.
Please make sure that you'reusing a paid version if any of
the data is confidential.
And if you're using any workdata you need to get work
permission and potentially beingon a work secure AI that is
paid for.
You do not wanna beaccidentally putting
confidential information outthere in the world.
(31:20):
So big PSA on that one, it isincredibly important as part of
the theory around ai.
Where is this information goingand protect that.
Please, please, please.
Claire (31:28):
Really good point, Miranda.
Yeah, Being thoughtful aroundcorporate private data and all
the
Miranda (31:33):
mm-hmm.
Claire (31:33):
is really important.
Make sure that you understandwhere firewalls are in terms of
data protection.
Miranda (31:39):
And, and just your own personal protection as well.
You don't wanna be puttingstuff out there that's, just
you.
But I do think it'd be great ifyou could set a goal.
So our action challenge set agoal of one AI engagement per
day.
Per day feels too big, just perweek.
It could be drafting, planningsummarizing or ideating.
This isn't about becoming anexpert, it's just about building
(31:59):
familiarity with a tool likeChat GPT or Canva, copilot
notions, like another one,perplexity or Claud and we can
put a couple of the examples inour show notes on some of the
tools that are available.
A bonus point if you take on alearning challenge.
So subscribing to an AInewsletter, and there are a
couple of absolutely fantasticones.
(32:21):
The neuron.
The rundown AI or simple AI aresome really good ones that are
out there.
Or check out Allie Miller'sLinkedIn Learning or Tomer
Cohen's LinkedIn Learning.
If you've got Blinkist, there'salso a great little piece from
Blinkist through a researcher,James Altucher.
He's done a little seriesabout, little bit more around
the ethics, but also the usecases for ai.
(32:44):
So definitely check that out.
So it's an on the job trainingtool that's gonna shape your
future.
So we totally hope you take onthis action challenge.
Claire (32:52):
Well, thanks Miranda.
This has been
Miranda (32:54):
an
Claire (32:54):
a mazing conversation.
I really think an importantone, so I'm glad we sort of got
into it early in season three.
We have put all the curatedcontent that we've mentioned
today in the pod episode.
Check out the notes and thenjust dip into some of the stuff
that resonates with you and willinspire you to take small
actionable steps for your ownsuccess journey.
(33:14):
For more inspiration, check outour socials on Insta, Facebook
or LinkedIn.
We'd love, love, love to hearfrom you and how you're going so
please drop us a comment in oursocials channels, or drop us an
email at elevatewithgrace@gmail.com.
Please like and subscribe tothis podcast and send to a
friend who you think might beinterested.
Miranda (33:36):
Claire, you're a legend.
Thank you so much.
This has been an awesomeepisode.
I am so excited that we got totalk about ai.
So huge thank you.
Huge thank you to ourlisteners, and look forward to
doing it again next month.
Claire (33:47):
Thanks, Miranda.
See you next month.
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