November 17, 2021 • 39 mins
This week's pod, episode 10 we are exploring what it means to cultivate your career.
In terms of success on our own terms model, it's about having a long-term view of where you want to be, set some goals and work towards our future selves.
Doing some mindful and active reflection on the year that's been and how that can help you think about career for 2022 and beyond.
Then using those reflections with some of the work we did in earlier podcasts, forming your why and what your long-term goals are. We'll give you a few thought starter hacks for setting yourself some career goals and doing a bit of career planning, because unbelievably we are in the very back end of 2021.
Quotes:
- Steve Jobs, “The only way to do great work is to love what you do.”
- Simon Sinek, “Loving your work is a right, not a privilege.
- Michelle Gibbings, “Regardless of how you feel about your job right now at some stage in the future, you'll need to shift, reshape or reinvent your career.”
Show Notes:
HBR Women at Work
Michelle Gibbings, Career Leaps
The Squiggly Career, Helen Tupper and Sarah Ellis
Impact Leaders, Liz Wiseman
What colour is your parachute 2021, Richard N Bolles with Katharine Brooks
Check out our website for 10 Cultivating Career Tips - the first 5 were shared in this podcast
http://www.elevatewithgrace.com.au
Several articles to help with your 2022 Career Planning:
https://hbr.org/2017/03/why-you-should-make-time-for-self-reflection-even-if-you-hate-doing-it
Career-Leap-Exercises-2021-FINAL.pdf (michellegibbings.com)
https://www.extraordinaryyou.com.au/career-planning/
Music created by Claire's daughter Hannah
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Miranda (00:00):
Welcome to the Elevate with grace podcast, for women
who are short on time and longto take steps, to create success
on their own terms.
We embrace school university andour early careers with gumption
ambition and passion.
We are all in and ready tocreate a life of success.
And then something happens.
We start to hold ourselves backas we move through our lives.
Research suggests that womenbecome less inclined to take
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risks, career leaps and maintainfinancial independence as they
move into their lives.
This is what we want to explorewith you on our elevate with
grace podcast, our aim is tocurate and share the best tips,
insights, and knowledge from allof the content out there and
take the brain strain out of it,like giving you the, so what,
and some immediate actionablesteps for you to squeeze into
your life each week throughregular action, we will propel
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you forward and offer support aswe all create our own paths to
achieving success on our ownterms.
Claire (00:49):
Hello to add gracious listeners.
I'm Claire cornfield.
And with me is my delightfulco-host Miranda Mikrou in person
of all things.
Two pods in a row.
We've been able to enjoy eachother's 3d company with easing
lockdown restrictions.
It's very cool.
How are you?
My friend how's things been foryou this week?
Miranda (01:07):
Absolutely.
Wonderful.
It has been so fun that gettingback into the real world, back
to the beach, back to themuseums, swimming.
Reconnecting with friends evenbeing back in the office has
been pretty cool.
I have found though, completelywiped.
Sitting down, trying to writesome kind of meaningful
reflections and it's like slumpcrash.
I think there's just going to bea toll for the next couple of
weeks Let's be fair until we getback into that mojo of being out
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of balance at all and still havea bit of energy left for them
to,
Claire (01:32):
yeah I've been fantastic too.
I have to say I've actuallybeen.
I've had days where I've justbeen slumped and exhausted from
the stimulation.
And then other days where I'mawake until midnight, because I
can't get my brain to turn offfrom the stimulation.
So I'm having both impacts.
I'm not so sure it's good for mysleeping patterns or I must
admit I've been naughty andwatching, Morning wars, which
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has not helped but geez, it'sgood.
If you haven't watched it highlyrecommend, is it
Miranda (01:59):
a good one for our home career thing of this week?
Claire (02:03):
Actually probably a better recommendation than my
squid game recommendation from acouple of weeks ago for a smart
risk taking, which I know youwere just wrapped with me about.
Yes, I think actually it's verycomplex from a career and
personality perspective.
A lot of complexity aroundcareer politics and diversity
and inclusion and all that sortof stuff now, and power and
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balances.
So yes, actually it is a goodrecommendation for
Miranda (02:28):
our topic today.
I haven't seen it, but I haveheard really great things.
Claire (02:31):
Let's get into our podcast topic for today.
It's been a couple of weekssince our last podcast, which
was our book review of wingingit by Emma Isaacs.
Also some notable mentions fromher new book, the new hustle.
We chose Emma's book because itwas a lovely addendum to a
series of podcast episodes wewere doing on smart risk taking.
And decision-making, one of ourcore pillars to our elevate,
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with great success on our ownterms model.
The other two of our pillars arecultivating our careers and
fueling our financial power.
In today's episode, we're goingto have a bit of a yarn about
what it means to cultivate yourcareer.
Why it's super important forcreating a life lived on your
terms to be spending some timeon that career cultivation.
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We will also be having a quickchat about doing some mindful
and active reflection on theyear that's been and how that
can help you think about careerfor 2022 and beyond.
Using those reflections will becombining it with some of the
work we did in earlier podcasts,around forming your why and what
your long-term goals are.
And we'll give you a few thoughtstarter hacks for setting
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yourself some career goals anddoing a bit of career planning,
because unbelievably we are inthe very back end of 2021.
I don't know how that's
Miranda (03:45):
happened.
Very exciting though.
Let's get into 2022 and.
Just has to be better.
Yeah.
I have actually loved reallyworking on this episode because
as a year races to a close whilewe're not able to squeeze in the
same type of series we did forrisks, that'll definitely be in
next year's podcast.
And I think it's crazy thatwe're already talking about 20,
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22, but let's do it.
So next year, we're going todeep dive into the pillars of
cultivating career success andthe financial financial
freedoms.
But for now I really think it'sgreat to be able to talk about
these much needed careerheadlines for you to help you.
To take her back these muchneeded career headlines that are
gonna help to boy you up, or,help you dig deep, whichever
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state you're in to get to theend of the year.
Cause I think it's been a reallytough road.
We're trying to get back tonormal life as quickly as
possible.
And that does come with a bit ofa cost.
Claire (04:38):
Okay.
Miranda (04:39):
This was actually the first pillar that we identified.
I think this is the one thatcame out of that research and
that we keep coming back togoing.
There's such a need to solvethis.
There is so many benefits, bothemployer and employee family,
just general life.
If you love the role you're in,or you get fulfillment out of
your work, you don't have tolove it, but fulfillment you you
find it meaningful.
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Why you're there.
And there was just so much nowresearch where we found that it
was just massive burnout.
People heading towards burnout,lots of ADL awakes, and I don't
think that's improved in thecurrent situation.
I think people have really lostthat delineation between work
and life.
Really infused at the moment.
So it's important to, to pushthem away and thought leaders
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are really consistent in thismessage of how important it is
to cultivate your career and toput this as a focus.
So it was the first pillar westarted with, I stand by how
important this is, and I thinkthat we are going to have a lot
of fun digging into this nextyear.
Claire (05:35):
I think you make a good point there, because I think
when, when we first startedtalking about our elevate with
grace model, that was reallybefore the extended lockdown and
continuation of the COVID impacthas happened.
And I think.
Really it's exasperated now.
Right?
It's even more important tothink about how we're
cultivating our career and ourwhole of life fits around that
(05:58):
because it's all become justsuch a big blurry mess.
And then when they were poweringthrough, towards the end of the
year
Miranda (06:04):
it doesn't have to remain all that.
Blurry mess for 20, 20, 30 weeksto set things up.
Exactly.
So very exciting and lookthought leaders are all pretty
consistent in their messaging onthis from Steve jobs, Simon
Sinek, tiny Robbins and rains ofother books and articles.
So a couple of quotes to reallycement this piece, Steve shops,
the only way to do great work isto love what you do.
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And Simon Sinek loving yourwork.
Is I right?
Not a privilege.
I think we should all try toseek that right.
And it doesn't mean you have toquit your job.
It means you can find ways tomake the role work for you or
find a role that you need towork into or change the
language, change the way thatpeople are interacting with you.
We're not going to solve this inone episode.
No, and it's
Claire (06:45):
very unique to everybody.
That's what I think, thechallenge here is to provide
some actionable steps and toolsfor you to work through.
Personally, because each one ofus is very unique about what we
need.
And I think the last 18 monthshas given us opportunity to
really reflect on what we wantour lives to look like.
And I think when you mentionedSimon Sinek, before I think I
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spoke about it a few podcastsago, one of the things that he
captured was your why, and hetalks about, so your why for why
you're working, where you'reworking and what's your purpose
for working?
It's not.
The colleagues that you workwith, it's not the profit that
gets made, or the check that youtake home to your family.
It's more than it's.
What is driving you towards thecompany's purpose.
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It's making a difference in theworld.
Is that better customerexperience, great service?
Is it helping the environmentand sustainability?
That's the why it's not, I getto record right.
People.
And I get a good paycheck and Ithink.
That really had a lot bulbmoment for me in COVID and
probably for a lot of people.
And it's tricky to unravel thatI think, but it's, and it's very
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individual.
So the challenge that we had ishow do we give you our listeners
to NSL some tools?
That are useful and getcracking.
But the work really is veryunique and individual, it may be
quitting your job, but it may bestepping up as a leader because
you love your company and youwant to see it thrive, or it may
be changing into a bit of aportfolio career or doing a
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startup, or it could be a bitit's so unique and individual,
and I think.
That's the work that none of uscan shy away from.
We have to do it ourselves.
There's no magic potion, but wecan't give you a magic potion,
but we can give you some easytools and tips to
Miranda (08:29):
help a hundred percent.
Claire (08:31):
I like in hindsight, I was thinking about, we called it
cultivating or career, like whatdoes K.
And then I was thinking, how dowe describe cultivating your
career?
What does cultivating yourcareer mean?
And I think for me in terms ofour success, on our own terms
model, it's about having along-term view of where you want
to be.
So you can.
Set some goals and work towardsthat as shitty first drafts
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about where we want to be in ourfuture selves from, a few
podcasts to go.
I see it as being, it is aboutbeing conscious about being
visible with your professionalbrand.
I really believe that'sextremely important.
And that you find your ownauthentic ways to create and
sustain your visibility.
Basic example is the introvertextrovert example we spoke about
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at MRIs X networking.
There's so many ways that youcan get visible with your
professional brand, but you haveto find ways that work for you.
There's no point in forcingyourself to do stuff that you
don't want to do, and it's evenmore important in a virtual
hybrid working space.
You're interacting with peopleand you're often not in the
room.
So what are they saying aboutyou when you're not in the room
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and how are you doing littlethings every day to be visible
about that.
Confronting your career to me isalso about giving yourself
choices and giving yourself someinternal locus of control in a
really uncertain world that welive in.
I'm thinking of things likeportfolio, careers, passion
projects, pro bono projects,freelance consulting, and just
having a few lanes of thingsthat you're working on.
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So you're not just focused onyour one job with your one
company, because that could be alittle bit of a risk that we'll
talk about later.
It's about developing skills andconfidence to have really fierce
and brave conversations at workreally important to be able to
have productive, respectful,brave conversations.
And I think that's even moreimportant given the, here that's
been and the concept of thegreat resignation and things
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like that.
It's about continuousprofessional development and
doing it for yourself.
For me, it's also about it beingintricately tied to our pillar
of fueling your financial power.
So a report from the 2009, whichis a little bit old, but I think
the concept will still apply aClinton global initiative.
Found that women invest 90% ofeverything they make back into
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their family and community wherefor men, it's only 35%.
So women invest 90% back intothe community and themselves and
their family.
And for men, they only do 35%.
How amazing is that?
So the more career progressionwe have, the more money we might
have.
The bit of the world is becauseas women, we put it back into
the community.
(11:02):
So I dunno, Miranda.
What comes to mind when you'redescribing and thinking about
our cultivating career success?
Miranda (11:10):
Absolutely all of the above.
They're sounding really strongand we have really fleshed this
out quite a lot over the lastsort of year.
But I also think as showing upas your best self.
It's something that does fullynuns then spanner, potentially
going to tell your personalbrand, but really going into
that.
How do you show up.
What it takes to be a greatleader and really exploring that
idea of impact leaders.
Identifying your strengths andyour weaknesses and managing out
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by also understanding theirstrengths and weaknesses, the
strengths and weaknesses of yourteam.
And there's a really great sortof piece around the fact that
what you deem as your weaknessespotentially are the counter of
that easiest, strongeststrengths.
So helping you to understandwhere your superpowers.
He's a really great one, owningyour power, avoiding those
female patents that we've spoketo a little bit in holding your
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self back in episode two, andproviding you with some great
tools around how it is to ownyour power and not fall into
those patterns of really softlanguage apologizing on lot
reluctance to negotiate waitingto be seen, waiting to be
towered, et cetera.
creating that confidence andpresence and learning
confidence.
Confidence does not have to besomething that is only for those
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born with confidence.
You can learn it, you can bringit into your world and it is
going to help you to succeed.
How do you contribute?
What are you bringing to thetable?
How does that contribution helpthe bottom line of the company
help the customer of the companyhelp the work that you're doing.
I've definitely seen this.
Even in retail, working withsmall business owners that
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they're so involved in the busywork, they forget to think about
where the important work is.
So this is definitely a skillthat we all need to cultivate
and improve is.
Really understanding thatimportance and that changes as
well or your market changes,customer needs change.
So constantly being aware of howyour contribution, how your big
picture matters in the grandscheme of things.
Yeah, just a couple more to addto the list.
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There's obviously a lot that wecan unpack in cultivating career
success.
And I think many years ofpodcasts to come but
Claire (13:03):
a year 20, 22, you, we still have to focus on financial
freedom and risk taking, butthey're all interlinked.
They're
Miranda (13:10):
all in.
Absolutely.
Particularly, as you said, thechoice and having that internal
agency is so important.
I think people feel like we'velost that a bit.
And so being able to get youragency back and thrive.
As mentioned we will dive into alot of this in future episodes,
but this episode feels like agreat time to.
Think of it generally about somekey tips or reminders to help
you to dig in and just, getthrough the next sort of month
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or two.
And also there is a route likesome decision-making that you're
potentially of doing, or someplanning that we just naturally
do.
Being ready with some thoughtsaround that.
So one that was actually handedto me my very first piece of
work training when I started arole at 14.
Was this idea of leading yourbaggage at the door?
I think this goes both ways,leaving your work baggage to the
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work door, leave your homebaggage at the home door.
And, I feel there's like signsof definitely blurred.
And so it's super important tobring back that delineation.
So is it driving in the car andhaving that sort of check with
your friend to download orhaving that chat with yourself
to download and then getting outof that car?
I'm present I'm at home.
Is it?
Claire (14:14):
The concept of are really like called the third
space.
And that is about thattransition space between home
and work at home.
How important and critical it isbetween moving that space.
And I found that I've been avery segmented person, like in a
sense of workers for work.
And I go to the city and I lovethe office.
And then I get home and my homeis my home.
And so with all of that blurredin COVID that third space of
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being on the train, listening toa podcast, moving between it's,
it really is very important.
Miranda (14:44):
Let's put that in our show notes.
That sounds great.
Claire (14:46):
How do you get that?
Like exactly what you said, howthat works, but it is really
important for you.
Yeah.
Miranda (14:51):
And if you are going to work from home, maybe it is
having that pause and that 10minute walk just to get yourself
out of the house, out of workmode and into home mode.
And to make sure that when weare returning back to work, that
we do start.
Some of that space.
I love it.
Claire (15:05):
I actually started to dress up again for work like for
for home.
And as they're trying to, and Ithink it would always change
your third space.
So at the moment, it's Iactually dress up.
I stopped doing that by ages.
I've been into the habit ofwearing hoodies and all this fun
stuff, but now it's like I getup in the morning, get dressed
for work, go to my workspace athome.
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And at the end of the day, I goback into the bedroom, put my
track suit pants on and theycome out to the.
And yeah, so I think changing itup as what all the 10 minute
walk is there you go to the gym,or now we can go back to gym,
whatever it is, but reallycreating that space, as you
said.
So you're leaving your workstuff at work and your home
stuff at home, because I reckonthat's becoming quite a problem
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for a lot
Miranda (15:47):
of us.
Interesting.
I've always found that I neededto dress up to be able to get to
work.
We've cognitively processing itin other ways, actually to write
it down and just then put itaway and make sure you're moving
on another tip.
Is there a no particular orderobviously, but showing up as
your best self.
What do you need to do to showup as your best self?
Is it, the exercise ismeditation.
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Self-care feeling up your cupregulate.
And so many of us, particularlywomen.
Sacrifice those things becausewe have to be there for our
family.
We have to be there for ourwork.
You may actually find that 15 or20 minutes of you may actually
find that 15 or 20 minutes ofexercise and meditation means
that you're going to be moreproductive, but then you're also
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going to bring your best selfand not a worn, tired,
exhausted.
To the challenges of the day.
So I think we do put this on asa, it's not really that
important, but showing up atyour best self is critical and
so much about that personalbrand comes through in how you
show.
Creating flow during your workday.
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So chunking your work through atimer or an hourglass, we spoke
about this a little bit in theone thing from episode five.
And so if we're looking tocultivate career success and
ensure that we have superefficient, that we're providing
great workflow during the day,starting that time give yourself
30 minutes with solidly for thattime.
Knowing that you're going totake a break at that 30 minute
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mark.
So if you think of something,write it down, focus on your
work.
Be very disciplined in that.
What I find is that after that30 minute time, it goes off.
It's like, oh, I'm on flow.
I should keep working forceyourself to stop, go and get a
glass of water.
Grab a coffee.
Have a chat or follow up on anemail and then come back because
what you're conditioning yourbrain to do is go, I've got to
maximize this time in the 30minutes, because that's all the
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time I've got.
If you constantly stretch thatout and out, you always give
yourself more time to get a taskdone.
What
Claire (17:39):
I've started doing, which is similar.
And I did.
So I've had to, I've found thatI've been like, and I think
there's been quite a fewpodcasts.
I've done.
Have any, if I can think of one,I will about getting that focus
back, that we've become very,and I know I've found that I
found it really difficult to dodeep and focused work, but I had
to get a report done a week ortwo ago.
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And when I did was startedplaying a game with myself.
So I had so many sections, likeI'd sit at all of the sections
so I'd be doing a PowerPointpresent, whatever needs to go to
deliver something.
And I had so many sections onthe head so many days to do it.
And then I worked out, I neededto spend 15 minutes on each
section max.
I timed it that way as well.
So it was like, right.
I'll write 15 minutes on thefirst page of the PowerPoint
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deck or in my case, the firstpage, the first section of the
report, 15 minutes and then thenext one, 15 minutes.
Then I went back and did itediting.
I think you mentioned it to me,and it's works as well.
That making a game of it formyself really helps, like
getting away from thatperfection.
Like the perfection iscreativity.
Yeah.
So I think that one is like thetiming it's really important
Miranda (18:46):
playing a game with it helps as well.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, it's a simple idea and I'msure it's nothing new to our
listeners, but it is something agood reminder because it does
help to ensure that yourworkflow and your work is
getting done.
I think essential to this isidentifying when your best work
meeting worked, walk schedule isand scheduling this into your
day.
We definitely heard this withthe one thing, protecting that
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flow time, we've also seen thisbenefits of this through
multiple thought leaders.
You've probably found ways tohack your body into the work
style, maybe in the last.
Two years you've actually flowedback into something that's more
natural for you.
What is your work style?
When are you pumping out themost efficient work?
A comfortable outcome for allJohn Medina of brain rules
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offers further insights hereinto people's natural styles and
it is conditioning your brain.
So there is some brain sciencearound this that you can offer
your manager to say, look, Iknow that I'm going to be super
productive between this time andI'm going to come in a bit later
because I'm going to go into thegym in the morning because
that's not productive time forme, so I'm going to use that
efficiently so that I set myselfup for the rest of the day.
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Another one to remember aboutnegotiating practices and using
those to prepare for any bigconversation.
There is so many times whenpeople they get emotional,
fierce about a situation that'sjust happened.
Are we in guns, ablazing tomanagement?
And when they're like, rah, I'mupset, I'm whatever, and that's
fine.
And hopefully that person canhelp you to work through those
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steps, but a better way is tosleep on it, to write down some
points and to really thinkabout.
Collecting evidence to helpsupport your case that this is
not okay.
Something's not right.
Or I deserve a promotion.
I just have a pay rise.
But come with evidence, comewith a suite of negotiation
tools and we'll definitely gointo more negotiation tips next
year.
Preparation, preparation,preparation, and anything you
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can do writing it down, talkingout with other people, trying to
build up your case is going tohelp you to be taken seriously
and to achieve a result thatyou're looking for.
Claire (20:42):
Think back to a professional brand to not just
in-person conversations, butholding fire on that email,
Drafted walk away, reread it thenext morning.
Same with another school, thatinstant communication to like
teams and slack.
Being very careful.
And I noticed my kids having toget more involved in that sort
of way of communicating,communicating.
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And I've noticed that they'llhear the iPad go because
someone's my dad or something,or send them a message.
Kids messenger and the girlswill go, oh, just tell him that
we're eating dinner.
And I'm like, no, no, you don'tneed to actually respond.
He doesn't need to know whereeating dinner.
You can respond to his messagein a couple of hours.
And you realize that we do thatSL
Miranda (21:28):
They're coming through on your watch, coming through on
your computer.
And I think we are soconditioned to respond and it
makes us busy, but it doesn'tnecessarily make us productive
or increase our contribution.
Claire, did you have anothercouple of tips that you wanted
to add?
I know you've definitely gotsome important thoughts on why
cultivating career is soimportant.
Probably
Claire (21:48):
those are really.
Tips.
I really love those all andthere.
So you can do like a few of themevery single day, and then you
just change it up and all therest of it, the important thing
is doing the bits and pieces foryourself.
I want to bring it out wider.
Why it's so important to you dothis work like cultivating your
career and finding the time andnot just head down, powering
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through automatically at afreight train speed.
There's a book.
It's actually written by afriend of mine.
And she was my executive coachfor a little while Michelle
Gibbings and in her book, she'sgot a couple of books and in her
book, career leap, how toreinvent and liberate your
career.
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Michelle says, regardless of inthe introduction, Michelle says,
regardless of how you feel aboutyour job right now at some stage
in the future, you'll need toshift reshape or reinvent your
career.
And I wholeheartedly agree withthis, and I think what we have a
tendency to wait until thingsthat are seriously breaking
point exactly.
(22:52):
Before we do something about it.
It's all about continuing to sitand reset yourself and reminding
yourself that this is a constantthing that you can be doing and
you should be doing.
If we've learned anything fromCOVID, we have no idea what's
going to happen tomorrow.
And there may be some of us insome listeners who can say that
they feel very secure, that theyhave a job with their current
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employer.
For life for the longterm, butmore and more as Michelle points
out in her book, like that isnot the case and the reality of
the working world that we havenow.
And there could be, this couldbe for a variety of reasons,
whether that's because we feeltrapped in the job we don't
like, or perhaps our role mightbecome redundant down the track,
or maybe.
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The boss that you've worked within love for ages they've gone
and got an amazing job somewhereelse.
And your new boss, you justdon't gel with and it's not
going to work.
So there's a lot of stuff thatis out of our control.
That can be happening.
But.
Spending time and mindfullythinking about some of these
ways that you can be cultivatingyour career for your future self
and for your own terms.
(23:55):
That means if one of thoseevents happens to you, you're
not blind.
Like you, you don't have to bereactive to it.
You've got some plans aroundthere and that's, I mentioned
about.
Whether that's a bit of pro bonowork, whether that's having a
little side hustle doing podcaston the side, just to keep it a
bit fresh and learning foryourself and any, not one
(24:16):
reliant on that, that
Miranda (24:17):
one thing I do think that potentially two years ago,
we all felt a lot safer maybethan we do today.
And even if you.
Actively acknowledging itsubconsciously there's probably
some doubt or some feelings ofresentment, maybe you were stood
down for a short period of timethat are just sitting there.
And so even though you don'tfeel it a hundred percent, that
(24:41):
there's potentially that sort ofunderlying, or there was some
hurt there and maybe you haven'tdealt with that.
So it's a really good pointclutter, just to have that.
Working on that muscle of, okay,I'm going to take an active
control here.
And again, we speak about givingback agency owning your control.
Claire (24:59):
I think it's a lot, there's a lot of mental, power
in, in doing that.
I think the other one I wantedto talk on in terms of, the,
the, all the things that webrought under the umbrella of
cultivating your career at thebeginning is this concept about.
Being very thoughtful andstrategic around the visibility
of you and your professionalbrand and how important that is
(25:22):
to your progression and growth.
It is critically important.
I've learned that the hard wayin a number of situations in the
past, which, we'll all go outfor a while at some point, and I
can tell you all about that.
But you know, And again, I feelvery passionate about this in a
new COVID world.
How much more important it is tobe thinking about what is your
professional brand and how doyou want that to be communicated
(25:45):
via instant messaging via howyou're responding via what work
you're seeing to be doing andcontributing.
And like you said, Miranda aboutdoing that.
The work that matters, not thebusy work that the work that
matters.
And I came across, so the HBRHarvard business review HBR
women at work forecast is areally good podcast generally,
(26:08):
for some of these careercultivating topic.
I find.
Yeah, I find that to be a reallygood one.
There's lots of, there's lots ofcareer ones out there, which I'm
sure we'll cover in the future,but the HBR that at work one is
good.
And in season three, episodetwo, they have an episode are
called stepping into thespotlight.
And it's really good.
(26:28):
It's like a it's held live.
I think it is held live and Ithink it's held live.
There's an audience there.
A few speakers that are talkingand it's really covers a lot of
the questions that, there's yes.
But things we always push aswomen we pushed back on.
Yes.
But I don't want to be visiblefor this reason or, the, some
reason why we don't want to putourselves out there and they
(26:50):
cover a lot of those questionsand that your recommend having
it listened to it.
I think it's too long.
For example, one of thequestions from the audience is,
what are you doing?
If you screw up, like you're inthe spotlight and you screw up
and.
you just have to pick yourselfup and dust yourself off and tap
into your resilience muscle.
But what I love is that one ofthe speakers says.
(27:14):
In nine times out of 10, yourperception of your screw up and
how others perceive it, like inyour mind, it's way bigger than
anybody else ever cares.
And that's so true.
Like you think, I think you'vementioned it before, so what's a
bit of egg on your face, but wehold onto that pretty deeply as
women we're really worried aboutdisease to plays what people
think of us, but I thought itwas Very poignant that
(27:36):
everyone's got their ownproblems and they've got their
own issues to deal with andthey're dealing with their own
lives.
And so what you feel deeply ninetimes out of 10, probably nine
and a half times out of 10.
No one else is going to give astuff because.
They've got their own stuff toworry about.
Everyone moves on and that'sreally important.
Another one, another goodquestion.
So there was lots of greatquestions in the podcast.
(27:57):
It was about having a youngfamily and during that time, the
need to avoid visibility becausein case the outcome of that
visibility means.
You need to put in moreinvestment of time into the
activities that the careeractivities or whatever it is you
become visible for from a careerperspective.
And you don't have that timebecause you're a parent of young
(28:18):
children.
And the answer from one of thespeakers was great.
She said that she's got a 12year old daughter, but she chose
to choose.
She chose to change her mind.
Around that, in that creatingcareer visibility for herself
was for her daughter's benefitbecause she was being a role
model to her daughter and havingthe conversations with your
(28:38):
family and your daughter abouthow it, and being a role model
for stepping out and stepping upvisibly in the workplace and in
the work that you love that yes,it may be require an investment
of your time in the moment, butactually has long-term
consequences for.
I guess role modeling thatyou're doing, whether that's for
kids, whether that's for theyounger women in the workforce.
(28:58):
And I think that's reallyimportant.
So probably those are the fourthings that I worked to.
Miranda (29:03):
I think it sounds like such a great yes, but kind of
contrast, because these are thereasons that people don't step
up.
These are the reasons, thatdefinitely.
This quite a few books where thephenomenon of women's sneaking
out to go and pick up kids, notsaying goodbye to anybody,
because they don't want to beseen to be leaving before
everyone, but actually havingthat presence to say, see you
(29:24):
later.
Thanks so much for the day isgoing to give them a lot more
power.
They're going to feel like theydon't have to hide and that they
don't have to big for thepromotion.
They're not all well, I leave atfour maybe I'm not as worthy as
the person that's still here atseven.
That's not a reason not to stepup.
That is your flexibility andwhat you've negotiated and your
(29:44):
contribution is what matterswhen you're looking for a
promotion.
Not.
I was you putting in and if wecan get the whole of society to
move in that direction, we'llall be better.
But we have
Claire (29:55):
to, we have to take the charge
Miranda (29:57):
To set an example for my team.
I'm leaving
Claire (29:59):
now 4:00 PM to go to my kid's soccer game.
And I think it's encouraging aswell.
It's not about people withchildren.
Everyone has different, you cango to the gym, I'm going to the
gym.
I am going to go on a bike ridewith some friends.
Arriving and leaving loud andproud because we do have lives
outside of WIC.
Miranda (30:19):
The flexibility is so important and that is something
that we should hopefully seecoming through a lot more.
The other point you just madeabout that perception of a screw
up is just.
That is actually an opportunityfor you to demonstrate your
amazing problem, solvingabilities, demonstrate your
ability to turn a situation andstep up as an impact leader.
(30:43):
So I think it's really importantthat take a pause, get over
whatever disappointment you havein yourself.
And then think, how am Ipresenting this to my
management?
How am I showing up today totake on this challenge?
And it can be.
And there's so much greatstudies out there about all the
people that have failed and arenow huge successes because they
owned their failure.
They learned from it, but theyactually used it to leverage
(31:05):
their position and go, allright, this happened, I've
learned from this bam.
I won't make that mistake again,but actually here's the three
opportunities that we have toimprove in our organization.
You have now become an impactplayer that is helping your
organization to improve.
Claire (31:21):
That leads us on to another key point that we wanted
to talk about today, which isactive reflection and the
importance of active reflectionon your career in 2021.
I'm a big advocate of, we don'tneed a new year to start a new
habit, but there is a, you canget a lot of drive and energy
from starting some, somewherenew when you can locate a
(31:42):
timeframe, that's something new.
So whether that's coming out oflockdown, I'm going to get back
to the gym or I'm going to dosome stuff for my career or it's
it.
But an obvious one is the clickover from one year to another.
So.
It is really important to dosome active reflection and to
look at ways that you've donewhere you've gone well, where
(32:02):
you failed.
What you're going to do for nextyear really helps to ground you
in terms of what you want to do.
Harvard business review, has agreat article on why you should
make time for self-reflection.
Even if you hate doing it.
Reflection gives the brain anopportunity to pause and miss
the chaos.
Anyone need to pause them,admist the chaos right now.
I think most of us do.
And it helps you untangle andsort through those observations
(32:25):
and experiences, considermultiple interpretations and to
create meaning.
And then this meaning becomeslearning.
Like you said, Miranda, youlearn from the stuff that's
happened, which can inform yourfuture mindsets and actions.
Like it's a really importantactivity to do.
Why don't we do that?
'cause it's hard, it'suncomfortable.
(32:45):
And we don't want to do it, butthe benefits of doing it so big.
So there's a couple of otherarticles that we can stick in
the show notes around how to dosome of those reflection ideas,
but there's heaps of that stuff.
I guess the point that I reallywanted to make is it is hard.
It is uncomfortable.
It does take time, but there is.
(33:06):
At absolute benefit long-term tohow efficient and effective and
happy and healthy you're goingto Bain your career and life
going forward.
If you do force yourself to makethis time to do this active
self-reflection and really ask alot of deep questions about how
to use all and what you want todo next and all that sort of
stuff,
Miranda (33:26):
Having that regular reflection to make sure that
you're tracking in the rightdirection.
And if you need to add someskills, doing that, lifelong
learning, getting those skillson your plate so that you're
ready for that next.
And there's actually anincredible read around that
preparation.
Skipping ahead there was a bookSquiggly careers, which is all
about being curious aboutimagining your future career.
(33:46):
So talking to people within yournetwork, reading different
roles, exploring yourtransferable skills,
understanding what your superstrengths are, and then writing
those down.
Thinking about what the obviousor logical next step might be
for you, what the pivot rolecould be for you.
So actually how do I pivot intoa slightly different industry or
a different role with yourtransferable skills and
(34:07):
ambitious career for you andthen a dream career.
I've only thought about thelogical obvious, and then maybe
the ambitious, but it was quitean interesting way to spell that
out.
And you're going to have a lotmore to talk about from this
book, the squiggly career, we'llput the link in the show notes,
that's a really nice way ofreflecting on where you're at
understanding your transferableskills and then.
Doing the research and the bookreally talks about being very
(34:29):
curious about what jobs are outthere, curious about what your
friends are doing, curious aboutpeople in your network and
Claire, you did this withLinkedIn.
You went and spoke to justdifferent people in different
walks of life, To understandyour next steps.
Claire (34:39):
And still trying to..
And you're not going to be ableto do that every week because
you're going to be focusing ondifferent bits and pieces of the
career and all the blocks.
But I will continue to go backto that actually, but I love
that concept about having yourdream career and you're
ambitious and pivot and logicalbecause it allows you to get a
bit crazy.
Cause we get so worried aboutbeing too ambitious or having
(35:00):
too big a goal in case we fail,but you can have one of those
and then you can have just aregular more comfortable within
your risk profile goal as well.
In terms of some, I guess that aHacksaw.
Kicking off your career planningfor the year ahead.
And then continuously doingcareer planning, recommending a
couple of books I'm going tocheck out squiggly Career,
(35:21):
Michelle, the career late bookthat I mentioned from Michelle
giving this.
I highly recommend that's areally practical workbook as
well, in terms of doing a bit ofa stock, take an audit of where
you are.
I'll also tell you that on herwebsite Michelle givings.com,
she's got the career leapexercises.
So the exercises from her careerleap book are available on her
(35:44):
website.
The first exercise is a Careerhealth check quiz, and then it
moves on to figuring out yourwhy.
But it's very practical.
So I can recommend that as agood go-to book in terms of
getting started with that.
Miranda (35:57):
You mentioned a couple of weeks back that there was
this January date of note forpeople that sort of set a bit of
a trigger date.
Is that something we need to beaware of or start to?
Yes, we lost
Claire (36:06):
five.
I can't remember where I sawthat.
Actually.
I think it was January 4th orJanuary 6.
Is a date where it's basicallythe day that everyone comes back
after the main Christmasholidays sort of thing.
So a couple of days after that,we all come back from Christmas
and new year.
There's yeah, January 6thwhenever it gets back to work is
when people contact divorcelawyers.
(36:26):
It's when people contact thegym, recruiting firms that's
when people contact all of theselife changing.
So this is a really tentativeand trying time for a lot of
people there's, ending theiryear and starting the new year.
And yeah, I think it's veryworth being conscious of it.
And I expect that after theyear, two years its been It
(36:47):
might be an even more tryingtimes.
So for that, I
Miranda (36:50):
think so be aware of it, make sure you book some
really good fun stuff for thatperiod so that you're not caught
up in that wave.
And hopefully some of these tipsor planning help you to get
ahead of that curve and to do alot of that thinking.
So by the time you reachedJanuary four, You're feeling
quite calm that's in control.
Claire (37:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Feeling a sense of control is alot of what all that stuff is
about.
I think absolutely.
Miranda (37:14):
We've had such a great episode.
I hope that these tips andthoughts have really helped to.
Give you a bit more of a visionabout what cultivating success
could mean for for you Claire,what's our action challenge for
this week?
Claire (37:25):
Well, I think, action challenge specifically after
talking about, we don't want toget to January six and resign
and speak to recruiters andspeak to divorce always and all
that sort of stuff.
I think action challenge forthis week is to kickstart your
career planning for 2022.
Reflect on the year that's beenand what's going to be doing so
whether that's to tap into acouple of the books that we've
mentioned, or some of thearticles that we'll post that
(37:48):
will have content to help youstart thinking about with career
planning, also getting back tosome of our previous podcast
episodes as well.
Cause there's some stuff inthere about finding your why and
things like that.
But definitely the actionchallenge for this week is to
just turn our minds a little bitto career planning for 2022.
Look forward to hearing howyou're going with that in a
couple of weeks.
When we come back to talk aboutfueling our financial power.
Miranda (38:12):
Yes.
I'm very excited for thatepisode.
I think I'm gonna learn a lotfrom you as well during that
episode, so excited to bring iton.
All right.
That's what we have for youtoday.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
So we have put all of the linksin the episode notes and there
was quite a few quotes, articlesand books and character surveys.
So we'd love to hear what wasuseful for you.
Please do check out our website.
We'll have a blog up about thisand where it's supporting the
(38:34):
next episode will be in twoweeks time, which will be the
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We look forward to speaking withyou in the next episode.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What a fun conversation, Claire.
Thank you so much.
(38:55):
I've really enjoyed this onewith you.
I
Claire (38:57):
have it's.
Yeah, it's got me getting veryexcited about 20, 22 and whole
of life in career.
So it's been a goodconversation.
Thank you, listeners.
Thanks Miranda.
And I'll talk to you in a coupleof weeks.
Bye.
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Hello to add gracious listeners.
I'm Claire cornfield.
And with me is my delightfulco-host Miranda Mikrou in person
of all things.
Two pods in a row.
We've been able to enjoy eachother's 3d company with easing
lockdown restrictions.
It's very cool.
How are you?
My friend how's things been foryou this week?
Miranda (01:07):
Absolutely.
Wonderful.
It has been so fun that gettingback into the real world, back
to the beach, back to themuseums, swimming.
Reconnecting with friends evenbeing back in the office has
been pretty cool.
I have found though, completelywiped.
Sitting down, trying to writesome kind of meaningful
reflections and it's like slumpcrash.
I think there's just going to bea toll for the next couple of
weeks Let's be fair until we getback into that mojo of being out
(01:28):
of balance at all and still havea bit of energy left for them
to,
Claire (01:32):
yeah I've been fantastic too.
I have to say I've actuallybeen.
I've had days where I've justbeen slumped and exhausted from
the stimulation.
And then other days where I'mawake until midnight, because I
can't get my brain to turn offfrom the stimulation.
So I'm having both impacts.
I'm not so sure it's good for mysleeping patterns or I must
admit I've been naughty andwatching, Morning wars, which
(01:54):
has not helped but geez, it'sgood.
If you haven't watched it highlyrecommend, is it
Miranda (01:59):
a good one for our home career thing of this week?
Claire (02:03):
Actually probably a better recommendation than my
squid game recommendation from acouple of weeks ago for a smart
risk taking, which I know youwere just wrapped with me about.
Yes, I think actually it's verycomplex from a career and
personality perspective.
A lot of complexity aroundcareer politics and diversity
and inclusion and all that sortof stuff now, and power and
(02:25):
balances.
So yes, actually it is a goodrecommendation for
Miranda (02:28):
our topic today.
I haven't seen it, but I haveheard really great things.
Claire (02:31):
Let's get into our podcast topic for today.
It's been a couple of weekssince our last podcast, which
was our book review of wingingit by Emma Isaacs.
Also some notable mentions fromher new book, the new hustle.
We chose Emma's book because itwas a lovely addendum to a
series of podcast episodes wewere doing on smart risk taking.
And decision-making, one of ourcore pillars to our elevate,
(02:53):
with great success on our ownterms model.
The other two of our pillars arecultivating our careers and
fueling our financial power.
In today's episode, we're goingto have a bit of a yarn about
what it means to cultivate yourcareer.
Why it's super important forcreating a life lived on your
terms to be spending some timeon that career cultivation.
(03:14):
We will also be having a quickchat about doing some mindful
and active reflection on theyear that's been and how that
can help you think about careerfor 2022 and beyond.
Using those reflections will becombining it with some of the
work we did in earlier podcasts,around forming your why and what
your long-term goals are.
And we'll give you a few thoughtstarter hacks for setting
(03:35):
yourself some career goals anddoing a bit of career planning,
because unbelievably we are inthe very back end of 2021.
I don't know how that's
Miranda (03:45):
happened.
Very exciting though.
Let's get into 2022 and.
Just has to be better.
Yeah.
I have actually loved reallyworking on this episode because
as a year races to a close whilewe're not able to squeeze in the
same type of series we did forrisks, that'll definitely be in
next year's podcast.
And I think it's crazy thatwe're already talking about 20,
(04:06):
22, but let's do it.
So next year, we're going todeep dive into the pillars of
cultivating career success andthe financial financial
freedoms.
But for now I really think it'sgreat to be able to talk about
these much needed careerheadlines for you to help you.
To take her back these muchneeded career headlines that are
gonna help to boy you up, or,help you dig deep, whichever
(04:28):
state you're in to get to theend of the year.
Cause I think it's been a reallytough road.
We're trying to get back tonormal life as quickly as
possible.
And that does come with a bit ofa cost.
Claire (04:38):
Okay.
Miranda (04:39):
This was actually the first pillar that we identified.
I think this is the one thatcame out of that research and
that we keep coming back togoing.
There's such a need to solvethis.
There is so many benefits, bothemployer and employee family,
just general life.
If you love the role you're in,or you get fulfillment out of
your work, you don't have tolove it, but fulfillment you you
find it meaningful.
(04:59):
Why you're there.
And there was just so much nowresearch where we found that it
was just massive burnout.
People heading towards burnout,lots of ADL awakes, and I don't
think that's improved in thecurrent situation.
I think people have really lostthat delineation between work
and life.
Really infused at the moment.
So it's important to, to pushthem away and thought leaders
(05:22):
are really consistent in thismessage of how important it is
to cultivate your career and toput this as a focus.
So it was the first pillar westarted with, I stand by how
important this is, and I thinkthat we are going to have a lot
of fun digging into this nextyear.
Claire (05:35):
I think you make a good point there, because I think
when, when we first startedtalking about our elevate with
grace model, that was reallybefore the extended lockdown and
continuation of the COVID impacthas happened.
And I think.
Really it's exasperated now.
Right?
It's even more important tothink about how we're
cultivating our career and ourwhole of life fits around that
(05:58):
because it's all become justsuch a big blurry mess.
And then when they were poweringthrough, towards the end of the
year
Miranda (06:04):
it doesn't have to remain all that.
Blurry mess for 20, 20, 30 weeksto set things up.
Exactly.
So very exciting and lookthought leaders are all pretty
consistent in their messaging onthis from Steve jobs, Simon
Sinek, tiny Robbins and rains ofother books and articles.
So a couple of quotes to reallycement this piece, Steve shops,
the only way to do great work isto love what you do.
(06:26):
And Simon Sinek loving yourwork.
Is I right?
Not a privilege.
I think we should all try toseek that right.
And it doesn't mean you have toquit your job.
It means you can find ways tomake the role work for you or
find a role that you need towork into or change the
language, change the way thatpeople are interacting with you.
We're not going to solve this inone episode.
No, and it's
Claire (06:45):
very unique to everybody.
That's what I think, thechallenge here is to provide
some actionable steps and toolsfor you to work through.
Personally, because each one ofus is very unique about what we
need.
And I think the last 18 monthshas given us opportunity to
really reflect on what we wantour lives to look like.
And I think when you mentionedSimon Sinek, before I think I
(07:06):
spoke about it a few podcastsago, one of the things that he
captured was your why, and hetalks about, so your why for why
you're working, where you'reworking and what's your purpose
for working?
It's not.
The colleagues that you workwith, it's not the profit that
gets made, or the check that youtake home to your family.
It's more than it's.
What is driving you towards thecompany's purpose.
(07:30):
It's making a difference in theworld.
Is that better customerexperience, great service?
Is it helping the environmentand sustainability?
That's the why it's not, I getto record right.
People.
And I get a good paycheck and Ithink.
That really had a lot bulbmoment for me in COVID and
probably for a lot of people.
And it's tricky to unravel thatI think, but it's, and it's very
(07:51):
individual.
So the challenge that we had ishow do we give you our listeners
to NSL some tools?
That are useful and getcracking.
But the work really is veryunique and individual, it may be
quitting your job, but it may bestepping up as a leader because
you love your company and youwant to see it thrive, or it may
be changing into a bit of aportfolio career or doing a
(08:12):
startup, or it could be a bitit's so unique and individual,
and I think.
That's the work that none of uscan shy away from.
We have to do it ourselves.
There's no magic potion, but wecan't give you a magic potion,
but we can give you some easytools and tips to
Miranda (08:29):
help a hundred percent.
Claire (08:31):
I like in hindsight, I was thinking about, we called it
cultivating or career, like whatdoes K.
And then I was thinking, how dowe describe cultivating your
career?
What does cultivating yourcareer mean?
And I think for me in terms ofour success, on our own terms
model, it's about having along-term view of where you want
to be.
So you can.
Set some goals and work towardsthat as shitty first drafts
(08:53):
about where we want to be in ourfuture selves from, a few
podcasts to go.
I see it as being, it is aboutbeing conscious about being
visible with your professionalbrand.
I really believe that'sextremely important.
And that you find your ownauthentic ways to create and
sustain your visibility.
Basic example is the introvertextrovert example we spoke about
(09:15):
at MRIs X networking.
There's so many ways that youcan get visible with your
professional brand, but you haveto find ways that work for you.
There's no point in forcingyourself to do stuff that you
don't want to do, and it's evenmore important in a virtual
hybrid working space.
You're interacting with peopleand you're often not in the
room.
So what are they saying aboutyou when you're not in the room
(09:36):
and how are you doing littlethings every day to be visible
about that.
Confronting your career to me isalso about giving yourself
choices and giving yourself someinternal locus of control in a
really uncertain world that welive in.
I'm thinking of things likeportfolio, careers, passion
projects, pro bono projects,freelance consulting, and just
having a few lanes of thingsthat you're working on.
(09:57):
So you're not just focused onyour one job with your one
company, because that could be alittle bit of a risk that we'll
talk about later.
It's about developing skills andconfidence to have really fierce
and brave conversations at workreally important to be able to
have productive, respectful,brave conversations.
And I think that's even moreimportant given the, here that's
been and the concept of thegreat resignation and things
(10:19):
like that.
It's about continuousprofessional development and
doing it for yourself.
For me, it's also about it beingintricately tied to our pillar
of fueling your financial power.
So a report from the 2009, whichis a little bit old, but I think
the concept will still apply aClinton global initiative.
Found that women invest 90% ofeverything they make back into
(10:41):
their family and community wherefor men, it's only 35%.
So women invest 90% back intothe community and themselves and
their family.
And for men, they only do 35%.
How amazing is that?
So the more career progressionwe have, the more money we might
have.
The bit of the world is becauseas women, we put it back into
the community.
(11:02):
So I dunno, Miranda.
What comes to mind when you'redescribing and thinking about
our cultivating career success?
Miranda (11:10):
Absolutely all of the above.
They're sounding really strongand we have really fleshed this
out quite a lot over the lastsort of year.
But I also think as showing upas your best self.
It's something that does fullynuns then spanner, potentially
going to tell your personalbrand, but really going into
that.
How do you show up.
What it takes to be a greatleader and really exploring that
idea of impact leaders.
Identifying your strengths andyour weaknesses and managing out
(11:33):
by also understanding theirstrengths and weaknesses, the
strengths and weaknesses of yourteam.
And there's a really great sortof piece around the fact that
what you deem as your weaknessespotentially are the counter of
that easiest, strongeststrengths.
So helping you to understandwhere your superpowers.
He's a really great one, owningyour power, avoiding those
female patents that we've spoketo a little bit in holding your
(11:54):
self back in episode two, andproviding you with some great
tools around how it is to ownyour power and not fall into
those patterns of really softlanguage apologizing on lot
reluctance to negotiate waitingto be seen, waiting to be
towered, et cetera.
creating that confidence andpresence and learning
confidence.
Confidence does not have to besomething that is only for those
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born with confidence.
You can learn it, you can bringit into your world and it is
going to help you to succeed.
How do you contribute?
What are you bringing to thetable?
How does that contribution helpthe bottom line of the company
help the customer of the companyhelp the work that you're doing.
I've definitely seen this.
Even in retail, working withsmall business owners that
(12:35):
they're so involved in the busywork, they forget to think about
where the important work is.
So this is definitely a skillthat we all need to cultivate
and improve is.
Really understanding thatimportance and that changes as
well or your market changes,customer needs change.
So constantly being aware of howyour contribution, how your big
picture matters in the grandscheme of things.
Yeah, just a couple more to addto the list.
(12:56):
There's obviously a lot that wecan unpack in cultivating career
success.
And I think many years ofpodcasts to come but
Claire (13:03):
a year 20, 22, you, we still have to focus on financial
freedom and risk taking, butthey're all interlinked.
They're
Miranda (13:10):
all in.
Absolutely.
Particularly, as you said, thechoice and having that internal
agency is so important.
I think people feel like we'velost that a bit.
And so being able to get youragency back and thrive.
As mentioned we will dive into alot of this in future episodes,
but this episode feels like agreat time to.
Think of it generally about somekey tips or reminders to help
you to dig in and just, getthrough the next sort of month
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or two.
And also there is a route likesome decision-making that you're
potentially of doing, or someplanning that we just naturally
do.
Being ready with some thoughtsaround that.
So one that was actually handedto me my very first piece of
work training when I started arole at 14.
Was this idea of leading yourbaggage at the door?
I think this goes both ways,leaving your work baggage to the
(13:54):
work door, leave your homebaggage at the home door.
And, I feel there's like signsof definitely blurred.
And so it's super important tobring back that delineation.
So is it driving in the car andhaving that sort of check with
your friend to download orhaving that chat with yourself
to download and then getting outof that car?
I'm present I'm at home.
Is it?
Claire (14:14):
The concept of are really like called the third
space.
And that is about thattransition space between home
and work at home.
How important and critical it isbetween moving that space.
And I found that I've been avery segmented person, like in a
sense of workers for work.
And I go to the city and I lovethe office.
And then I get home and my homeis my home.
And so with all of that blurredin COVID that third space of
(14:37):
being on the train, listening toa podcast, moving between it's,
it really is very important.
Miranda (14:44):
Let's put that in our show notes.
That sounds great.
Claire (14:46):
How do you get that?
Like exactly what you said, howthat works, but it is really
important for you.
Yeah.
Miranda (14:51):
And if you are going to work from home, maybe it is
having that pause and that 10minute walk just to get yourself
out of the house, out of workmode and into home mode.
And to make sure that when weare returning back to work, that
we do start.
Some of that space.
I love it.
Claire (15:05):
I actually started to dress up again for work like for
for home.
And as they're trying to, and Ithink it would always change
your third space.
So at the moment, it's Iactually dress up.
I stopped doing that by ages.
I've been into the habit ofwearing hoodies and all this fun
stuff, but now it's like I getup in the morning, get dressed
for work, go to my workspace athome.
(15:26):
And at the end of the day, I goback into the bedroom, put my
track suit pants on and theycome out to the.
And yeah, so I think changing itup as what all the 10 minute
walk is there you go to the gym,or now we can go back to gym,
whatever it is, but reallycreating that space, as you
said.
So you're leaving your workstuff at work and your home
stuff at home, because I reckonthat's becoming quite a problem
(15:47):
for a lot
Miranda (15:47):
of us.
Interesting.
I've always found that I neededto dress up to be able to get to
work.
We've cognitively processing itin other ways, actually to write
it down and just then put itaway and make sure you're moving
on another tip.
Is there a no particular orderobviously, but showing up as
your best self.
What do you need to do to showup as your best self?
Is it, the exercise ismeditation.
(16:09):
Self-care feeling up your cupregulate.
And so many of us, particularlywomen.
Sacrifice those things becausewe have to be there for our
family.
We have to be there for ourwork.
You may actually find that 15 or20 minutes of you may actually
find that 15 or 20 minutes ofexercise and meditation means
that you're going to be moreproductive, but then you're also
(16:30):
going to bring your best selfand not a worn, tired,
exhausted.
To the challenges of the day.
So I think we do put this on asa, it's not really that
important, but showing up atyour best self is critical and
so much about that personalbrand comes through in how you
show.
Creating flow during your workday.
(16:51):
So chunking your work through atimer or an hourglass, we spoke
about this a little bit in theone thing from episode five.
And so if we're looking tocultivate career success and
ensure that we have superefficient, that we're providing
great workflow during the day,starting that time give yourself
30 minutes with solidly for thattime.
Knowing that you're going totake a break at that 30 minute
(17:11):
mark.
So if you think of something,write it down, focus on your
work.
Be very disciplined in that.
What I find is that after that30 minute time, it goes off.
It's like, oh, I'm on flow.
I should keep working forceyourself to stop, go and get a
glass of water.
Grab a coffee.
Have a chat or follow up on anemail and then come back because
what you're conditioning yourbrain to do is go, I've got to
maximize this time in the 30minutes, because that's all the
(17:34):
time I've got.
If you constantly stretch thatout and out, you always give
yourself more time to get a taskdone.
What
Claire (17:39):
I've started doing, which is similar.
And I did.
So I've had to, I've found thatI've been like, and I think
there's been quite a fewpodcasts.
I've done.
Have any, if I can think of one,I will about getting that focus
back, that we've become very,and I know I've found that I
found it really difficult to dodeep and focused work, but I had
to get a report done a week ortwo ago.
(18:01):
And when I did was startedplaying a game with myself.
So I had so many sections, likeI'd sit at all of the sections
so I'd be doing a PowerPointpresent, whatever needs to go to
deliver something.
And I had so many sections onthe head so many days to do it.
And then I worked out, I neededto spend 15 minutes on each
section max.
I timed it that way as well.
So it was like, right.
I'll write 15 minutes on thefirst page of the PowerPoint
(18:23):
deck or in my case, the firstpage, the first section of the
report, 15 minutes and then thenext one, 15 minutes.
Then I went back and did itediting.
I think you mentioned it to me,and it's works as well.
That making a game of it formyself really helps, like
getting away from thatperfection.
Like the perfection iscreativity.
Yeah.
So I think that one is like thetiming it's really important
Miranda (18:46):
playing a game with it helps as well.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, it's a simple idea and I'msure it's nothing new to our
listeners, but it is something agood reminder because it does
help to ensure that yourworkflow and your work is
getting done.
I think essential to this isidentifying when your best work
meeting worked, walk schedule isand scheduling this into your
day.
We definitely heard this withthe one thing, protecting that
(19:09):
flow time, we've also seen thisbenefits of this through
multiple thought leaders.
You've probably found ways tohack your body into the work
style, maybe in the last.
Two years you've actually flowedback into something that's more
natural for you.
What is your work style?
When are you pumping out themost efficient work?
A comfortable outcome for allJohn Medina of brain rules
(19:29):
offers further insights hereinto people's natural styles and
it is conditioning your brain.
So there is some brain sciencearound this that you can offer
your manager to say, look, Iknow that I'm going to be super
productive between this time andI'm going to come in a bit later
because I'm going to go into thegym in the morning because
that's not productive time forme, so I'm going to use that
efficiently so that I set myselfup for the rest of the day.
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Another one to remember aboutnegotiating practices and using
those to prepare for any bigconversation.
There is so many times whenpeople they get emotional,
fierce about a situation that'sjust happened.
Are we in guns, ablazing tomanagement?
And when they're like, rah, I'mupset, I'm whatever, and that's
fine.
And hopefully that person canhelp you to work through those
(20:10):
steps, but a better way is tosleep on it, to write down some
points and to really thinkabout.
Collecting evidence to helpsupport your case that this is
not okay.
Something's not right.
Or I deserve a promotion.
I just have a pay rise.
But come with evidence, comewith a suite of negotiation
tools and we'll definitely gointo more negotiation tips next
year.
Preparation, preparation,preparation, and anything you
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can do writing it down, talkingout with other people, trying to
build up your case is going tohelp you to be taken seriously
and to achieve a result thatyou're looking for.
Claire (20:42):
Think back to a professional brand to not just
in-person conversations, butholding fire on that email,
Drafted walk away, reread it thenext morning.
Same with another school, thatinstant communication to like
teams and slack.
Being very careful.
And I noticed my kids having toget more involved in that sort
of way of communicating,communicating.
(21:04):
And I've noticed that they'llhear the iPad go because
someone's my dad or something,or send them a message.
Kids messenger and the girlswill go, oh, just tell him that
we're eating dinner.
And I'm like, no, no, you don'tneed to actually respond.
He doesn't need to know whereeating dinner.
You can respond to his messagein a couple of hours.
And you realize that we do thatSL
Miranda (21:28):
They're coming through on your watch, coming through on
your computer.
And I think we are soconditioned to respond and it
makes us busy, but it doesn'tnecessarily make us productive
or increase our contribution.
Claire, did you have anothercouple of tips that you wanted
to add?
I know you've definitely gotsome important thoughts on why
cultivating career is soimportant.
Probably
Claire (21:48):
those are really.
Tips.
I really love those all andthere.
So you can do like a few of themevery single day, and then you
just change it up and all therest of it, the important thing
is doing the bits and pieces foryourself.
I want to bring it out wider.
Why it's so important to you dothis work like cultivating your
career and finding the time andnot just head down, powering
(22:11):
through automatically at afreight train speed.
There's a book.
It's actually written by afriend of mine.
And she was my executive coachfor a little while Michelle
Gibbings and in her book, she'sgot a couple of books and in her
book, career leap, how toreinvent and liberate your
career.
(22:32):
Michelle says, regardless of inthe introduction, Michelle says,
regardless of how you feel aboutyour job right now at some stage
in the future, you'll need toshift reshape or reinvent your
career.
And I wholeheartedly agree withthis, and I think what we have a
tendency to wait until thingsthat are seriously breaking
point exactly.
(22:52):
Before we do something about it.
It's all about continuing to sitand reset yourself and reminding
yourself that this is a constantthing that you can be doing and
you should be doing.
If we've learned anything fromCOVID, we have no idea what's
going to happen tomorrow.
And there may be some of us insome listeners who can say that
they feel very secure, that theyhave a job with their current
(23:14):
employer.
For life for the longterm, butmore and more as Michelle points
out in her book, like that isnot the case and the reality of
the working world that we havenow.
And there could be, this couldbe for a variety of reasons,
whether that's because we feeltrapped in the job we don't
like, or perhaps our role mightbecome redundant down the track,
or maybe.
(23:34):
The boss that you've worked within love for ages they've gone
and got an amazing job somewhereelse.
And your new boss, you justdon't gel with and it's not
going to work.
So there's a lot of stuff thatis out of our control.
That can be happening.
But.
Spending time and mindfullythinking about some of these
ways that you can be cultivatingyour career for your future self
and for your own terms.
(23:55):
That means if one of thoseevents happens to you, you're
not blind.
Like you, you don't have to bereactive to it.
You've got some plans aroundthere and that's, I mentioned
about.
Whether that's a bit of pro bonowork, whether that's having a
little side hustle doing podcaston the side, just to keep it a
bit fresh and learning foryourself and any, not one
(24:16):
reliant on that, that
Miranda (24:17):
one thing I do think that potentially two years ago,
we all felt a lot safer maybethan we do today.
And even if you.
Actively acknowledging itsubconsciously there's probably
some doubt or some feelings ofresentment, maybe you were stood
down for a short period of timethat are just sitting there.
And so even though you don'tfeel it a hundred percent, that
(24:41):
there's potentially that sort ofunderlying, or there was some
hurt there and maybe you haven'tdealt with that.
So it's a really good pointclutter, just to have that.
Working on that muscle of, okay,I'm going to take an active
control here.
And again, we speak about givingback agency owning your control.
Claire (24:59):
I think it's a lot, there's a lot of mental, power
in, in doing that.
I think the other one I wantedto talk on in terms of, the,
the, all the things that webrought under the umbrella of
cultivating your career at thebeginning is this concept about.
Being very thoughtful andstrategic around the visibility
of you and your professionalbrand and how important that is
(25:22):
to your progression and growth.
It is critically important.
I've learned that the hard wayin a number of situations in the
past, which, we'll all go outfor a while at some point, and I
can tell you all about that.
But you know, And again, I feelvery passionate about this in a
new COVID world.
How much more important it is tobe thinking about what is your
professional brand and how doyou want that to be communicated
(25:45):
via instant messaging via howyou're responding via what work
you're seeing to be doing andcontributing.
And like you said, Miranda aboutdoing that.
The work that matters, not thebusy work that the work that
matters.
And I came across, so the HBRHarvard business review HBR
women at work forecast is areally good podcast generally,
(26:08):
for some of these careercultivating topic.
I find.
Yeah, I find that to be a reallygood one.
There's lots of, there's lots ofcareer ones out there, which I'm
sure we'll cover in the future,but the HBR that at work one is
good.
And in season three, episodetwo, they have an episode are
called stepping into thespotlight.
And it's really good.
(26:28):
It's like a it's held live.
I think it is held live and Ithink it's held live.
There's an audience there.
A few speakers that are talkingand it's really covers a lot of
the questions that, there's yes.
But things we always push aswomen we pushed back on.
Yes.
But I don't want to be visiblefor this reason or, the, some
reason why we don't want to putourselves out there and they
(26:50):
cover a lot of those questionsand that your recommend having
it listened to it.
I think it's too long.
For example, one of thequestions from the audience is,
what are you doing?
If you screw up, like you're inthe spotlight and you screw up
and.
you just have to pick yourselfup and dust yourself off and tap
into your resilience muscle.
But what I love is that one ofthe speakers says.
(27:14):
In nine times out of 10, yourperception of your screw up and
how others perceive it, like inyour mind, it's way bigger than
anybody else ever cares.
And that's so true.
Like you think, I think you'vementioned it before, so what's a
bit of egg on your face, but wehold onto that pretty deeply as
women we're really worried aboutdisease to plays what people
think of us, but I thought itwas Very poignant that
(27:36):
everyone's got their ownproblems and they've got their
own issues to deal with andthey're dealing with their own
lives.
And so what you feel deeply ninetimes out of 10, probably nine
and a half times out of 10.
No one else is going to give astuff because.
They've got their own stuff toworry about.
Everyone moves on and that'sreally important.
Another one, another goodquestion.
So there was lots of greatquestions in the podcast.
(27:57):
It was about having a youngfamily and during that time, the
need to avoid visibility becausein case the outcome of that
visibility means.
You need to put in moreinvestment of time into the
activities that the careeractivities or whatever it is you
become visible for from a careerperspective.
And you don't have that timebecause you're a parent of young
(28:18):
children.
And the answer from one of thespeakers was great.
She said that she's got a 12year old daughter, but she chose
to choose.
She chose to change her mind.
Around that, in that creatingcareer visibility for herself
was for her daughter's benefitbecause she was being a role
model to her daughter and havingthe conversations with your
(28:38):
family and your daughter abouthow it, and being a role model
for stepping out and stepping upvisibly in the workplace and in
the work that you love that yes,it may be require an investment
of your time in the moment, butactually has long-term
consequences for.
I guess role modeling thatyou're doing, whether that's for
kids, whether that's for theyounger women in the workforce.
(28:58):
And I think that's reallyimportant.
So probably those are the fourthings that I worked to.
Miranda (29:03):
I think it sounds like such a great yes, but kind of
contrast, because these are thereasons that people don't step
up.
These are the reasons, thatdefinitely.
This quite a few books where thephenomenon of women's sneaking
out to go and pick up kids, notsaying goodbye to anybody,
because they don't want to beseen to be leaving before
everyone, but actually havingthat presence to say, see you
(29:24):
later.
Thanks so much for the day isgoing to give them a lot more
power.
They're going to feel like theydon't have to hide and that they
don't have to big for thepromotion.
They're not all well, I leave atfour maybe I'm not as worthy as
the person that's still here atseven.
That's not a reason not to stepup.
That is your flexibility andwhat you've negotiated and your
(29:44):
contribution is what matterswhen you're looking for a
promotion.
Not.
I was you putting in and if wecan get the whole of society to
move in that direction, we'llall be better.
But we have
Claire (29:55):
to, we have to take the charge
Miranda (29:57):
To set an example for my team.
I'm leaving
Claire (29:59):
now 4:00 PM to go to my kid's soccer game.
And I think it's encouraging aswell.
It's not about people withchildren.
Everyone has different, you cango to the gym, I'm going to the
gym.
I am going to go on a bike ridewith some friends.
Arriving and leaving loud andproud because we do have lives
outside of WIC.
Miranda (30:19):
The flexibility is so important and that is something
that we should hopefully seecoming through a lot more.
The other point you just madeabout that perception of a screw
up is just.
That is actually an opportunityfor you to demonstrate your
amazing problem, solvingabilities, demonstrate your
ability to turn a situation andstep up as an impact leader.
(30:43):
So I think it's really importantthat take a pause, get over
whatever disappointment you havein yourself.
And then think, how am Ipresenting this to my
management?
How am I showing up today totake on this challenge?
And it can be.
And there's so much greatstudies out there about all the
people that have failed and arenow huge successes because they
owned their failure.
They learned from it, but theyactually used it to leverage
(31:05):
their position and go, allright, this happened, I've
learned from this bam.
I won't make that mistake again,but actually here's the three
opportunities that we have toimprove in our organization.
You have now become an impactplayer that is helping your
organization to improve.
Claire (31:21):
That leads us on to another key point that we wanted
to talk about today, which isactive reflection and the
importance of active reflectionon your career in 2021.
I'm a big advocate of, we don'tneed a new year to start a new
habit, but there is a, you canget a lot of drive and energy
from starting some, somewherenew when you can locate a
(31:42):
timeframe, that's something new.
So whether that's coming out oflockdown, I'm going to get back
to the gym or I'm going to dosome stuff for my career or it's
it.
But an obvious one is the clickover from one year to another.
So.
It is really important to dosome active reflection and to
look at ways that you've donewhere you've gone well, where
(32:02):
you failed.
What you're going to do for nextyear really helps to ground you
in terms of what you want to do.
Harvard business review, has agreat article on why you should
make time for self-reflection.
Even if you hate doing it.
Reflection gives the brain anopportunity to pause and miss
the chaos.
Anyone need to pause them,admist the chaos right now.
I think most of us do.
And it helps you untangle andsort through those observations
(32:25):
and experiences, considermultiple interpretations and to
create meaning.
And then this meaning becomeslearning.
Like you said, Miranda, youlearn from the stuff that's
happened, which can inform yourfuture mindsets and actions.
Like it's a really importantactivity to do.
Why don't we do that?
'cause it's hard, it'suncomfortable.
(32:45):
And we don't want to do it, butthe benefits of doing it so big.
So there's a couple of otherarticles that we can stick in
the show notes around how to dosome of those reflection ideas,
but there's heaps of that stuff.
I guess the point that I reallywanted to make is it is hard.
It is uncomfortable.
It does take time, but there is.
(33:06):
At absolute benefit long-term tohow efficient and effective and
happy and healthy you're goingto Bain your career and life
going forward.
If you do force yourself to makethis time to do this active
self-reflection and really ask alot of deep questions about how
to use all and what you want todo next and all that sort of
stuff,
Miranda (33:26):
Having that regular reflection to make sure that
you're tracking in the rightdirection.
And if you need to add someskills, doing that, lifelong
learning, getting those skillson your plate so that you're
ready for that next.
And there's actually anincredible read around that
preparation.
Skipping ahead there was a bookSquiggly careers, which is all
about being curious aboutimagining your future career.
(33:46):
So talking to people within yournetwork, reading different
roles, exploring yourtransferable skills,
understanding what your superstrengths are, and then writing
those down.
Thinking about what the obviousor logical next step might be
for you, what the pivot rolecould be for you.
So actually how do I pivot intoa slightly different industry or
a different role with yourtransferable skills and
(34:07):
ambitious career for you andthen a dream career.
I've only thought about thelogical obvious, and then maybe
the ambitious, but it was quitean interesting way to spell that
out.
And you're going to have a lotmore to talk about from this
book, the squiggly career, we'llput the link in the show notes,
that's a really nice way ofreflecting on where you're at
understanding your transferableskills and then.
Doing the research and the bookreally talks about being very
(34:29):
curious about what jobs are outthere, curious about what your
friends are doing, curious aboutpeople in your network and
Claire, you did this withLinkedIn.
You went and spoke to justdifferent people in different
walks of life, To understandyour next steps.
Claire (34:39):
And still trying to..
And you're not going to be ableto do that every week because
you're going to be focusing ondifferent bits and pieces of the
career and all the blocks.
But I will continue to go backto that actually, but I love
that concept about having yourdream career and you're
ambitious and pivot and logicalbecause it allows you to get a
bit crazy.
Cause we get so worried aboutbeing too ambitious or having
(35:00):
too big a goal in case we fail,but you can have one of those
and then you can have just aregular more comfortable within
your risk profile goal as well.
In terms of some, I guess that aHacksaw.
Kicking off your career planningfor the year ahead.
And then continuously doingcareer planning, recommending a
couple of books I'm going tocheck out squiggly Career,
(35:21):
Michelle, the career late bookthat I mentioned from Michelle
giving this.
I highly recommend that's areally practical workbook as
well, in terms of doing a bit ofa stock, take an audit of where
you are.
I'll also tell you that on herwebsite Michelle givings.com,
she's got the career leapexercises.
So the exercises from her careerleap book are available on her
(35:44):
website.
The first exercise is a Careerhealth check quiz, and then it
moves on to figuring out yourwhy.
But it's very practical.
So I can recommend that as agood go-to book in terms of
getting started with that.
Miranda (35:57):
You mentioned a couple of weeks back that there was
this January date of note forpeople that sort of set a bit of
a trigger date.
Is that something we need to beaware of or start to?
Yes, we lost
Claire (36:06):
five.
I can't remember where I sawthat.
Actually.
I think it was January 4th orJanuary 6.
Is a date where it's basicallythe day that everyone comes back
after the main Christmasholidays sort of thing.
So a couple of days after that,we all come back from Christmas
and new year.
There's yeah, January 6thwhenever it gets back to work is
when people contact divorcelawyers.
(36:26):
It's when people contact thegym, recruiting firms that's
when people contact all of theselife changing.
So this is a really tentativeand trying time for a lot of
people there's, ending theiryear and starting the new year.
And yeah, I think it's veryworth being conscious of it.
And I expect that after theyear, two years its been It
(36:47):
might be an even more tryingtimes.
So for that, I
Miranda (36:50):
think so be aware of it, make sure you book some
really good fun stuff for thatperiod so that you're not caught
up in that wave.
And hopefully some of these tipsor planning help you to get
ahead of that curve and to do alot of that thinking.
So by the time you reachedJanuary four, You're feeling
quite calm that's in control.
Claire (37:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Feeling a sense of control is alot of what all that stuff is
about.
I think absolutely.
Miranda (37:14):
We've had such a great episode.
I hope that these tips andthoughts have really helped to.
Give you a bit more of a visionabout what cultivating success
could mean for for you Claire,what's our action challenge for
this week?
Claire (37:25):
Well, I think, action challenge specifically after
talking about, we don't want toget to January six and resign
and speak to recruiters andspeak to divorce always and all
that sort of stuff.
I think action challenge forthis week is to kickstart your
career planning for 2022.
Reflect on the year that's beenand what's going to be doing so
whether that's to tap into acouple of the books that we've
mentioned, or some of thearticles that we'll post that
(37:48):
will have content to help youstart thinking about with career
planning, also getting back tosome of our previous podcast
episodes as well.
Cause there's some stuff inthere about finding your why and
things like that.
But definitely the actionchallenge for this week is to
just turn our minds a little bitto career planning for 2022.
Look forward to hearing howyou're going with that in a
couple of weeks.
When we come back to talk aboutfueling our financial power.
Miranda (38:12):
Yes.
I'm very excited for thatepisode.
I think I'm gonna learn a lotfrom you as well during that
episode, so excited to bring iton.
All right.
That's what we have for youtoday.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
So we have put all of the linksin the episode notes and there
was quite a few quotes, articlesand books and character surveys.
So we'd love to hear what wasuseful for you.
Please do check out our website.
We'll have a blog up about thisand where it's supporting the
(38:34):
next episode will be in twoweeks time, which will be the
2nd of December financialempowerment and for our Insta
posts of love that you'refollowing those.
Please comments or like on thoseInsta posts so we know that
they're helping with your dailyinspiration and email us at
elevatewithgrace@gmail.com.
We look forward to speaking withyou in the next episode.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What a fun conversation, Claire.
Thank you so much.
(38:55):
I've really enjoyed this onewith you.
I
Claire (38:57):
have it's.
Yeah, it's got me getting veryexcited about 20, 22 and whole
of life in career.
So it's been a goodconversation.
Thank you, listeners.
Thanks Miranda.
And I'll talk to you in a coupleof weeks.
Bye.
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