ELS2025 APEST Session - Prophetic - Craig Lawrenson & Simon Foster

Recorded live at Elim Leaders Summit 2025, these sessions focus on one of the fivefold ministry gifts described in Ephesians 4: apostolic, prophetic, evangelistic, shepherding, and teaching. Together, they form the APEST framework—helping leaders understand their unique calling and how it contributes to the life and mission of the Church.
You’ll hear leaders reflect on how their APEST gifting shapes their leadership, ministry relationships, and team dynamics. These sessions are practical, honest, and full of insight—ideal for anyone seeking to grow in their primary and secondary ministry strengths.
Whether you're exploring your own APEST profile or leading others through theirs, these recordings are a great next step for deeper clarity, collaboration, and whole-body ministry.

Episode Transcript

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Well, great to see you all. We've made it to King Sweet.
Well done. Are we excited?
We're enjoying what we've heard so far.
I don't know about you. I'm really excited when we get
close to 200 people in the room who primarily carry a prophetic
grace. Wow.
Anything could happen. So in the next hour, anything

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could happen as we pursue what the Lord is saying, as we take
some time just to dig into the grace a little bit more, maybe
share one or two stories of how that operates in our lives in
church and beyond. Some time to discuss, some time
to pray, and some time to release Holy Spirit to increase
the grace and the anointing uponour lives.
My name is Craig. If you don't know me, I'm the

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senior minister from Saint Helens and Witness Christian
Life Centre. And Simon, would you like to
introduce yourself? I'm Simon and I'm from Selly Oak
in Birmingham. Thank you, Simon, let's just
pray together. I wonder if we could just open
our hands. Father, I want to thank you for

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the honor. Got it, ALS this week.
God, I want to thank you for Mark's heart to see the graces
released and to honor what each of us carry as the family of
Elim as a team together. God and I want to thank you for
sessions like this where we justget to discover what you're
doing with us and how we can call labour with you and how we

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can connect to your flow. Jesus, thank you that this is
not about us. Thank you that there are no
experts in the room today, God, but we're learners seeking more
of you who wanting to express who you are in the church and
out to the world that the world may know that Jesus is Lord.
So Holy Spirit, we invite you tofill each one afresh.
We invite you to heal our hearts, God, any frustration,

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any past hurts, any misunderstanding around the
grace that we may have experienced, God, pull your
balm. God, that we may start from a
place of wholeness and expectancy in Jesus name, Amen.
Just to give you an outline of how the sessions going to go
today, we're going to share somebiblical principles around the

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gift of prophecy. We're all leaders in the room,
so we're just going to start fairly simply just to get us on
the same page of what are we actually talking about?
How does this grace look particularly carried by the new
covenant believers of Jesus Christ?
And then we're going to share some stories of how Simon and I
have seen that operate in our lives and in our ministry, some
chances to discuss together whatwe've discovered so far, how

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it's working out for you guys, some chances to ask questions.
And then we're going to demonstrate the grace and pray
that we leave more empowered than we came in.
That sound OK, fantastic. Well, let's dig in initially to
the purpose of prophecy. And we're going to particularly
focus on the New Testament, the Greek word for prophecy, prophet

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AO. Let me just read the meaning of
this to you, and I'll probably get excited as I'm doing it
because wow. To prophecy to speak forth by
divine inspiration to predict with the idea of foretelling
future events pertaining especially to the Kingdom of
God. So what's a forth to declare a
thing which can only be known bydivine revelation, to break

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forth under sudden impulse and lofty discourse or praise of the
divine councils on the light prompting to teach, refute,
reprove, admonish, comfort us usto act as a prophet and
discharge the prophetic office. Wow, what a holy privilege. 1

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Corinthians 14 one to four says follow the way of love.
And I just say that. But again, follow the way of
love. Follow the way of love.
Can we just let that resonate with us?
As a man that's primarily prophetic in gifting, I
continually remind myself to follow the way of love and not
just the way of correctness, andnot just the way of strength and

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not just the way of revelation. Follow the way of love and
eagerly desire the gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people,
but to God. Indeed, no one understands them.
They utter mysteries of the Spirit.
But the one who prophecies speaks to the people for their
strengthening, encouraging, and comfort.

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Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves.
But the one who prophecies edifies the church.
Comfort, edification, blessing. To build up to see people as God
sees them is the privilege of those of us that carry the
prophetic grace. Prophecy is for all.

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Everyone can hear God. But in the room today, we've
discovered that our primary grace is prophetic.
So what's that function? To bless, to edify, to comfort,
to build up, to demonstrate the Word and ways of God, to see the
goal and the lives of those around us, to see them as God
sees them and to see them as thepeople that they can become.

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And to edify the church so that a blessing and that a building.
There's times when it's personalministry and I'm blessing people
and calling out what's in them. There's times when it's to build
up the church and where are we going protection against the
schemes of the enemy. Where is the provision of God
flowing from? Where is the vision of God

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taking us to? Where is the call to holiness?
Where are we missing it? How are we avoiding just asking
Jesus to call labour with me? I love that scripture where we
call to call labour with Christ,but I just like to remind myself
that I'm very much the inferior party.
I don't want to lead a church that has my ideas.

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And then I later on and rememberto ask Jesus, do you want to
come and call labour with me? Another prophetic grace allows
me to say, Jesus, where are you going?
What are you saying? How are you leading?
How are you providing? How are you breaking down the
strongholds of the enemy? How are you releasing revival to
my region? And can I call labour with you?
It's a blessing gift. It's a building gift.

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And then one Corinthians 1424 and 25 says this.
But if an unbeliever or Enquirercomes in while everyone is
prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under
judgement by all. As the secrets of their hearts
are laid bare, so they will falldown and worship God.
Exclaiming God is really among you.

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Jr. Woodward, who's a church planted
activist and mysterologist, saysthat prophets are the heart
revealers in the ecclesia. So those of us that carried that
grace in our lives, we reveal hearts and we reveal the hearts
of the matter and the matters ofthe heart, that's what we're

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called to. And those that don't know Jesus,
when you reveal the hearts of God for them in his kindness, he
brings conviction and reveals the state of their hearts.
And salvation can come in his goodness.
It reveals purpose and words that can only be received by
divine revelation that undos theblock in their lives that allows

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them to see who He is. So in the church, outside of the
church, this grace is powerful, effective, encouraging,
comforting, and edifying. Simon, how does Jesus operate in
this grace? Pretty good, really pretty good.

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Hello. Just a couple of things before I
kind of go to the text, I want us to turn to John Chapter 4.
If you're looking in your Biblesand forms for that, primarily I
think the gift is given for the giver.
And if we keep our hearts connected to that truth, then
some of the damage in deliveringand sharing and opportunity and

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all of that just fades. The greatest privilege to us is
not that we get to tell people things that we see the greatest
privilege to us as we get the revelation that the Father
offers to us. And staying connected to that,
that sense of privilege and delight and honor to be shown
these wonderful things from the heart of God keeps us well.

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It keeps us away from needing a spotlight.
It keeps us away from needing recognition.
It keeps us away from all of those things.
And the Bible has a promise to make that the anointing makes a
way for us. You know, the anointing takes
away, God has a plan with the anointing that He's placed in
your life, but the anointing is given to you to love Him and to
worship Him and to honor Him andto know Him in a very unique and

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very specific way. So just keep the main thing, the
main thing that would be my recommendation.
I've been on this spiritual journey for over 40 years and
there's so many people with prophetic giftings who are
damaged and hurt and broken as aresult of not being able to find
their place. Your place is in the presence of
God. That's your privilege.
That's your real space. That's the governing place of

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influence in the presence of God.
And should someone notice that or hopefully there are people
that will notice that, you get the opportunity to express that
outside of that. But keep the main thing, the
main thing. If you go to John chapter 4 with
me, there's a wonderful story ofJesus operating in this
incredible grace. I need my glasses.
So bear with me a second. When you get to my age, you need

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all the help you can get. Hang on a second.
Now Jesus had to go through Samaria, so he came to a town in
Samaria called Psycha, near the plot of ground Jacob had given
to his son Joseph. Jacob's well was there, and
Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well.
It was about noon when a Samaritan woman came to draw

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water. Jesus asked her, Will you give
me a drink? His disciples had gone into the
town to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him,
You are a Jew, and I am a Samaritan woman.
How can you ask me for a drink? For Jews do not associate with
Samaritans. And Jesus answered her, if you
knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink,
you would have asked him, and hewould have given you living
waters. I mean, this is a good day out

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for this woman, isn't it, Sir? The woman said, you have nothing
to draw with, and the well is deep.
Where can you get this living water?
Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and
drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?
Jesus answered, Everyone who drinks this water will be
thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will
never thirst. Indeed the water I give him will

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become in him a spring to eternal life.
The woman said, so give me this water so that I won't get
thirsty and have to come here todraw water.
He told her, Go call your husband, I have no husband, she
replied. Jesus said to her, You are right
when you say you have no husband.
The fact is you have had five husbands and the man you now
have is not your husband. What you have said is quite

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true. Verse 19, we'll destroy it to a
close there. So the woman said, I can see
that you are a prophet. I just wanted to talk to you
about this particular way in which Jesus has operated at this
moment. The one thing I think I've
learned over the years is that sometimes the prophetic voice
tends to talk from a place of top down, and consequently that

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creates an energy and a life around that.
That's not necessarily helpful. What I mean by that, it's like,
Thus saith the Lord, therefore there's no open dialogue or
inquiry. Thus saith the Lord.
Jesus does not operate like thatin this particular context.
In fact, he makes himself less less than the woman asking and
recognizing his own personal human need, he asks her for

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help. I love this.
I love the model of Jesus in operating in the prophetic way.
And he in asking her says a number of things by not saying
them. He says I'm just like you.
He says I am human, walking the journey you're walking.
And there's a moment in this particular passage where we see
the humanity of Jesus, which is the platform by which the

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divinity of Jesus begins to flow.
And I think sometimes when we'rerelating to people, we need to
come alongside them and not necessarily feel we have to
correct them or fix them. In fact, I don't believe God
sent us to fix anyone. I think the prophetic gift is
about finding people. It's about finding what's been
lost. It's about finding what needs to
be recovered. So Jesus comes alongside her.

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There are three conversations inevery dialogue you have with any
individual that you're speaking to.
There's the conversation they want to have with you.
Now, if you're anything like me,I'm a little impatient.
I want them to hurry up because I've got things I want to say to
them. Anybody, anybody like that?
OK, so I'm kind of listening, but not listening.
So there's that conversation. There's the conversation which I

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think is really important, whichI want to have with you.
OK. And that conversation probably
is a little bit kind of caught up with, I know how you feel.
I went through something similar.
I had these experiences. Let me tell you what God did for
me. So there's two conversations,
and they're very human, but there's a greater conversation
that's taking place, and that's the conversation that Jesus is
having consistently in the Father's presence, where he's

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interceding night and day. And the great glorious gift that
God has given us, the grace thathe has afforded us, is we can
eavesdrop on that conversation. We can eavesdrop on what's on
the heart of Jesus as he prays night and day before the Father
for this individual. So my instruction, for whatever
it's worth, would be to kind of not pay too much attention to

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the human conversations that have taken place, but lean into
the conversation that's taken place between the Father and the
Lord Jesus and listen intently with your prophetic hearing,
with your gift, with your revelatory heart.
Listen in to what the Father's saying and the stream that comes
from that is endless and beautiful.
It's so powerful. Of course, Jesus then goes on to

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deal with some of the other issues that we all have to deal
with around when we start to bring revelation to people, the
paradigms that people live in. And this lady had already a well
fashioned paradigm. You know, you can't have 5
husbands and not be a little jaded by life.
She was looking for the right thing, which was love, but in
all the wrong places. She had a religious paradigm.

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She had an understanding of how things work.
Jesus addresses those things to her.
And sometimes I want to say to you guys, you know, ladies,
sometimes we get caught up in trying to alter people's
paradigms. One thing I've I've noticed is
you cannot correct a person's paradigm.
It's only revelation that bringstransformation.
OK, so when you're talking with people and they're saying, well,

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what about this and what about that?
I'm talking in a hurry because we've got no little time.
OK, So when we say what? Don't get into the arguments.
I think so often we're seduced by having to be right.
We don't have to be right. We have to do what is right.
And to do what is right is to listen to the Father's voice.
And of course, when Jesus speaksto her, he cuts across all of

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those paradigms. All of that stuff becomes
surplus to requirements, and he meets her at her point of need,
looking for all the right thingsin all the wrong places.
He reminds her that there is a God who cares, a God who loves,
and a God who sees her. And in the seeing moment, all of
that wonderful revelation beginsto flow into this lady's heart.

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And we know it was profound because in the seeing moment for
her, these epiphanies that people have, whenever God speaks
or communicates through us, these epiphanies, they have a
life force attached to them. I always say revelation has an
authority attached to it to become what the revelation
invited you to see. So I call it a seeing and
becoming or a believing and becoming principle.

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We believe something because we've seen it from heaven.
And then in the seeing, we have the power by the Holy Spirit to
become it. So prophecy is not just one kind
of encounter. It's a process that takes people
on an adventure to become more and more like Jesus Christ
himself. So some of those things are
important because so often in the prophetic kind of genre we

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have people talking top down. I just want to encourage you,
don't do that. Let your humanity, the
ordinariness of who you are, meet with the orderiness of who
somebody else is and then you will start to find the the
Spirit is flowing between you. God is always where people are.
So you'll start to catch some ofwhat the Father is saying.
OK, Deal with the paradigms. By grace, people have all kinds

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of ideologies about what life isand what life isn't, and you
have your own set to. Don't let them get in the way of
what God wants to do. Don't let them become the main
event, because the main event isthe sweet flow of the Father's
voice through you into the heartand the life of another person.
Allow the person to find what they need to find.
Allow them to see what they needto see.

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You don't have to impose anything on people.
God is really good at open people's eyes.
He really is. So just let the Spirit do the
work in those moments and remember that when the event
happens, when there's a beholding moment, there's always
a becoming. And you notice at the end of the
story, this woman is a differentperson.
She goes back to the village that she tried to avoid by

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coming out in the heat of the day to get water, and she leads
the whole place to Jesus. That is the power of the
revelatory gift whenever we allow God to work through us the
way He desires to work through us.

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Brilliant. Simon, you're a gift.
I'm not supposed to stand in front of this speaker, but let
me come and stand with you. Simon's a gift to us, isn't he?
God, I want to thank you for this gift.
God, I want to thank you for a pioneer.
And I want to thank you for a man who carries the Father's
heart, the intimacy with Jesus, and the love for others.
And God, I want to thank you that we're the pioneer and has

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left him exposed. God that you're his protection.
God we're that the sensitivity has left him open to wounding
that you're the healer. And God, I just thank you for
him. God, we treasure him, we honour
him. God we receive him for the
anointing in which he carries. And God, we thank you that he's
poured into our lives today. Oh man, he's such a blessing.

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Such a blessing. One more Scripture and then we
want to tell you some stories ofhow we've seen this grace work
out in our lives and churches and beyond.
I love this moment in Acts 21. I'm going to read from 10 to 14
where Agabus prophecies to Paul.Just a really interesting moment
of how this grace operates, but how the graces function

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together. So after we've been here a
number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea
coming over to us. He took Paul's belt, tied his
own hands and feet with it and said, the Holy Spirit says in
this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, we'll bind the owner
of this belt and we'll hand him over to the Gentiles.
When he we heard this, we and the people there pleaded with

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Paul not to go. And then Paul answered, why are
you weeping and breaking my heart?
I am not only ready to be bound,but also ready to die in
Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.
When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said the Lord's
will be done. What an amazing picture.

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Agabus does what prophets do sometimes.
A little strange, aren't we Greta?
We do some unusual things as theLord leads us, binds his hands,
explains what will happen, and submits the Word.
The pastoral people in the crowdimmediately don't go.
You'll be chained up, you'll be arrested, you might die.
Don't go. And Paul's like, no, no, I've

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received the word. I understand the warning.
But the gospel of Jesus Christ is worth going for and worth
being bound for, and worth beingchained for and worth dying for.
The graces function together andas prophetic people, Simon's
already remind us that the greatest privilege is to hear
the voice of God and to communicate with Him in
intimacy. The responsibility of the
prophetic person is then to share the revelation in the

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right moment and in the right way.
You have delivered your responsibility.
Success or failure doesn't depend on what the leader
chooses to do with our word. Because the apostle Paul decided
that. That's a great warning and I
will take that on board, but I am still going to go.
The graces function together. I, I believe this is a pivotal
moment in Elim's history as we talk about how we release these

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graces fully into the body of Christ.
And I believe we're in an Ephesians 4516 moment.
And I want you to jump in at anypoint on this time.
I believe we're in the moment ofthe joining of the graces.
Let me just read particularly from verse 16 of Ephesians 4
from him. The whole body joined and held
together with every supporting ligament grows and builds itself

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up in love as each part does itswork.
Joints work in tension with our muscles and our ligaments.
There's tension in how the joints work.
So Greta, your physiotherapist in the past life, if I asked you
to bend my elbow upwards, that'sthat's not going to go well, is
it? It's going to going to cause
some serious problems and the joint is bent beyond its range

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of motion. I believe what we're receiving
here this week is a grace and aninvitation to operate together
in the gifts that we carry, thatwe move and function in the
right way. And what I've seen in my
ministry early on, I was very naive.
I just thought everybody was like me and everybody ministered
in the way I did and probably offended a few people early on

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because it was also prophetic and also on the edge and also
out there. And I used to knock heads a lot
with the teachers. We would be bending each other
the other way regularly because I'd have a crazy dream or an
open vision and a revelation. I'd go to the meeting and shared
it and they'd ask me 100 questions in the moment.
And I'm like early in ministry in my early 20s, and I don't

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know any of those answers. I just had a dream.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
I can't answer your question. I can't give you a road map.
I just had a dream, but that's not good enough.
What about this? What about this?
Actually, when we learned to function together, my teacher
became my biggest ally because he allowed my grace to go
absolutely up a level because I knew he would ask me the

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difficult questions and would unpack.
He would sometimes say that's anamazing revelation and if you
leave it there, that will be wonderful and the church will be
enriched. If you take that 2 steps
further, that leads to that heresy that we've just revealed
from church history. You might want to watch where
you're going on that one. I'm like, wow, we're
functioning, we're operating together.
The graces are meant to honour one another, to be delivered

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with humility, and it's togetherthat the body will be built up
and equipped until we reach the maturity in the fullness of
Christ. Are we up for that?
What about healing looking like the fullness of Christ?
A quiet revival. I'll become a loud one if
healing looks like the fullness of Christ and all the gifts are
operating. So I mean anything you want to.
Yeah, I think, I think we have to kind of guard our hearts

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against competitiveness. And it's an often mindset, you
know, when you're, you're striving against your brother
for the Father's attention or anybody's attention for that
matter. And I, I think of the fivefold
ministry as a round table as opposed to a table with someone
at the head and a hierarchical structure.

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So at any point in a round table, everyone has access to,
to the conversation. We're living in interesting
times because the Spirit of God is moving quite powerfully
across the surface of the earth and the church as we know it
will not be the church as we will inherit in the future.
There's a there's a deconstruction going on in the

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heavenly realms of some paradigms that are not fit for
purpose. And I'm sorry to talk in such
lofty terms in in the sense thatthey are big thoughts for us to
have. But but I think that's where the
prophetic gift and grace comes to the fore.
Because the sensing of the new season and the the kind of
awareness prophetically we see in part, we know a part of what

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can be and what the Father is offering becomes the kind of SAT
navigation system for a church that needs to have a robust
reality. Because as you probably realize,
as I do, as we look at what's happening in the world, things
are not going to get easier. They're going to get a little
bit harder. And the kind of church God needs
is a church that love not their life, even unto death, but

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overcame by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their
testimony. That's the kind of church we're
moving towards. And if you think about that,
that's quite an undertaking for the Holy Spirit.
But not beyond him, not beyond him.
So, So as people who carry a prophetic grace, one of the
things I'd just encourage you todo just to lift it a little bit
above the paradigm of your own experience and just be inquiring

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of the Lord, what is, what is you?
What is it that you want to do here in this context?
What what aspects of the old need to go and what aspects of
the new need to come? And be a servant to whoever
leads your congregation. Be a servant.
Be a good ally of the future that is being formed by God.
Don't be contentious or difficult or you're not in

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competition. You don't need to be in
competition. And you lay your grace down.
You just lay down and say, this is what I feel the Lord is
saying to me. I just want to offer that in my
servant capacity to you, whoeveris the leader of the church.
And just please take some time to consider that.
And I'm happy to discuss that any further.
But the day of us striving to, you know, have a position is
over. We already have that position.

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Christ Jesus has afforded it to us, you know, and, and being
seated with him in heavenly places isn't just a posture to
relax and sleep. It's to be awake and attentive
to the voice of the Holy Spirit.And we want to be really, really
careful with with our ability todo that.
And, and I believe intentional about seeking God's heart for
his church because there is a church that will form around us

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in the days that come to head that would be far more
breathtaking than the one we're leaving behind us.
The Bible says the glory of the latter house will far surpass
that of its former glory. Your Glory Seekers, Glory
carriers and Gloria Glory facilitators for the new thing
that God wants to do. Oh man, I think we're going to
share some stories now. So how do we do that together?

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If you'd allow us to share some stories, What I'd love us to do
is share stories and process. So the, the, the title we've
been given for this section is the living room.
How does this work out in all ofour own context?
So I'd love to share stories where we don't just appear to be
the hero of the story and you don't just get the end
testimony, but you get the process.
If I start with one outside of the church where I was

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ministering, gone. Gone on mission to Africa and
was asked to preach in a local church in Tanzania.
And you may have noticed I don'thave the Queen's English.
I have a gentle northern accent,if you've been kind.
To translate me into Swahili in Tanzanian context was a
challenge. And I'm preaching and it's not

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going well. It was really difficult.
It's the first time I'd preachedin another language and had an
interpreter and he was struggling to understand me.
I'm getting more and more nervous.
And the Zoom man sat on the front row and I just hear the
Lord say I want you to prophecy over that young man.
And in my head I'm like, no, theguy can't even understand me
teaching. I don't want to take a diversion

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in this moment. Lord, if you don't mind, it just
wouldn't go away. You know that moment.
Come on, prophetic people, you know that moment when you feel
and I'm like, I either do this or I explode.
So I'm I'm just going to have todo it.
So I just said, Sir, can I tell you that your holiness is your
biggest weapon and your integrity and holiness will lead

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many to come to salvation in Christ.
I was like wow, I did it, it translated it and through the
translator the man went no it isnot now.
My inner voice went Oh no, this is now not going well.
Whilst I'm saying Oh no, this isnot going well, out of my mouth
came, yes it is. That's not how prophecy works.

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Prophecy calls you into who you are to become, not who you are.
Now inside I went, wow that was good, who who said that because
it wasn't me. I carried on.
Then with the bad preaching in northern English and poor
translation went back to the missionary's house.
Two days later the pastor calledme and wanted to meet with me to
say that that young man was the son of the local witch doctor.

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He left church that day. It had been passed down to him
and he burned all the memorabilia, repented of his
involvement in witchcraft, gave his life back to Jesus.
That's prophetic grace poured out through a weak northern
vessel, poor articulator in another language.

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And God, just just do this. It'll bring some fruit.
Simon shows a story. I think firsts are always
important. You know, in the Scriptures
there's the law of the first mention, and I think when God
chooses to introduce Himself to you in this wonderful grace,
it's very intentional and it sets things up for the rest of
your kind of journey with him. My first encounter with hearing

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the voice of God was shopping inTesco's with my mother.
And my mother was, have you seenMrs. Brown's boys?
Has anybody ever seen Mrs. Brown's?
My mother was Mrs. Brown and shesmoked 30 to 40 cigarettes a
day. She's cursed like a fisherman.
I hope we've got no fisherman inhere.
And if you are, I hope your tongue is redeemed.

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And, and one of the little things that we would do every
week was I'd take her in my little kind of van that I had at
the time and, and we'd go shopping to Tesco's.
It was like a little mum and sonthing.
And we're out this day shopping in Tesco's and I'd just become a
Christian. I'd been a Christian in about 3
months. And I see this lady out of the
corner of my eye, in amongst theeyes and she's got a couple of

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kids with her and they're reallyall over the place.
And God says to me, go and tell her that I love her.
And I said I will not, I will not do that.
Thank you. Thank you for the invitation,
but no, OK. And you know how you do in your
head, you do this thing. Well, Lord, if it's your will,
it's your will. Like you have to have like 4,

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many, 14 different reinforcements to actually do
the one thing that was asked of you.
So I just ignore it. And I get on shopping with my
mom and we come around and then,oh, she's out another aisle at
the end of another aisle. And the Lord says to me, just go
and tell her now I said no, I will not do that.
My mother's here. My mother's here and as if God

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didn't know and and so thinking I've completely avoided this.
We go and have our cup of tea. My mom used to like a little
kind of iced bun and we're sitting in Tesco.
She's got it was the days you could smoke in public places and
I'm inhaling her smoke passively.
Of course, never sinned in my life with a cigarette, but the
and I think, well, it's done nowshe'll got she'll have gone,

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won't she? So we come out, I've got the
trolley with all the stuff in it.
We're moving towards the the checkout and there's a bit of a
queue and there's a kerfuffle atthe front.
And as is the case most of the time with a lot of ladies, they
don't look for their purse at the very last second.
And, and she's looking in her handbag that seemed to have

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everything in it but the kitchensink for her purse.
And when she finds her purse, this lady, it spills all over
the floor and the kids are everywhere.
So I'm looking at this and I think, well, she's going now
that that's it done. And my mother turns to me and
says, what are you thinking? Go and help that Lady pick up
her money. Go and help her now.
OK, so I was not frightened of God, but I was frightened of my

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mother. So I go towards this lady
tentatively thinking what is this going to be like, OK.
And I'm pretending that I have no connection spiritually with
what's going on. And I'm helping her pick up the
money. I know, but she won't notice me.
She will talk to me, none of that.
And as we go, we rise. We rise at the same time.
And I'm like this far away from her face.

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And before I could even double think it, I just said, God told
me to tell you that he loves you, OK?
And she's looking at me and she just starts crying.
I think this is getting worse. She's crying, she's crying and
like it were deep sobs. And this is what you said to me.
I used to be a Christian. I married a non Christian man.
I thought God would bring him tofaith, but he didn't.

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This morning he left me. He left me a note and I said to
God, if you love me, will you send someone to tell me that you
love me? Well, of course I knew that I
knew all that, didn't I? I knew all of that.
None of that was true. And, and I, she just went now
I'd love to tell you that she fell on the floor, gave her life

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to Jesus. I don't know what happened to
that Lady, but but what I learned from that process is 2
things. God is always right.
OK, so even if I feel it's all wrong and it feels clumsy and it
feels inappropriate, God is always right.
And the second thing is I will come to a place of obedience,
whether I feel like it or God engineers it, which he can, OK?

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I will find myself in it becauseit's a prophetic invitation for
me to change. It's for me to grow, for me to
trust, for me to become more like Jesus.
And all of that is required on our journey.
And there's loads of stories we could tell you, but I'm sure
you've got your own and they're equally as wonderful.
Fantastic. Thank you Simon.

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Great hearing the stories. Isn't it men of great faith who
both tried to say no? I think the phrase I'm saying
most often in my ministry at theminute is I just feel like I'm
wearing a Big L plate because everything is brand new and
everything is fresh. What the Lord is doing, I don't
feel I've been fully trained for.
What the world looks like is different to what it used to
look like when I started my ministry.

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And that idea of always being willing to learn from the Lord
is what keeps us on that cuttingedge and the willingness to be
humble. And I love that He does engineer
our obedience if we're not immediately faithful to step
out. I'll show you one more really
quick story from a we went out to a psychic fur.
I wasn't looking for inspiration.
Let me be clear because this is being recorded, We sometimes

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take prophetic teams in to localpsychic furs.
We sometimes pray against them. We sometimes feels like the
losses go in and minister and then sometimes they'll shut down
after we've ministered. Sometimes we get to deliver
encouragement and healing. We basically just take a stall,
take a group of prophetic people, offer encouraging words,
offer destiny words. You got to put it in the

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language of well-being, offer healing.
So there was one couple that came, mum again, a mum and a
daughter. Simon and I think daughter was
more scurry than mum on on this occasion.
We gave her an encouraging word and she asked would we pray for
mum. So I prayed for mum's here, they
did my best pastor's prayer, they went away.
About 5 minutes later she battles through the queue.

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The daughter comes about this close to my face and says what
have you done to my mum? And I'm like, oh, here we go,
here we go outside the church. I'm on somewhat enemy territory.
What have I done to one mum? I don't know.
I said I'm sorry, I've just prayed for her.
Could you tell me what you thinkI've done?
She's taller now. You've prayed for her back and

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she's taller. She's now looking me in the eye.
Something has happened. I'm like, yeah, God's healed her
back, love. She's standing up straight her.
She's been healed. Wow, is that God?
Yes, it was Jesus. Simple, put yourself in a place
where it's way beyond your own experience and your own power.
I don't have the power to heal, that's only Jesus.
I don't have the clever words tosay to people who don't even

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understand my church language. I just have sometimes wide eyed,
sometimes fear, sometimes faith to say let's go and have a go
and let's get this grace out that the world might see that
Jesus is Lord. Can I talk about that, that
moment, that gap? Because that gap is the place of
Kingdom opportunity, but it's also the place of enemy

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activity, that there's always a gap between what needs to happen
and what you feel you carry. OK, It feels really
uncomfortable. We don't like to be on shore.
We don't like to to feel that wehaven't got the answers.
OK, It's something in our psychethat our inadequacies, they

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frighten us. But our inadequacies are are a
gift because if you use them well, they become God
dependencies, OK. And and that is the moment where
you make that decision. You know, can I move past my
sense of inadequacy to a place of God dependency?
I think every time I've ever prayed for somebody who needed
healing, I felt inadequate. I've gone in my head through the

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story, I'm not holy enough. I haven't prayed enough.
You know what, Jesus was holy enough and he prayed enough and
prays enough. So I shouldn't be relying on
what I'm doing anyway. I go through this kind of
internal investigations. There any sin in my life that
could prevent God from doing. I was an ex Catholic.
I do guilt really well. I am so good.

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I have a pH D in guilt. I, I feel guilty for not feeling
guilty. That's how good I am at being
guilty. OK.
And so when it comes to moments like that, I find that I'm
confronted with my humanity. I'm confronted with my
inability, I'm confronted with my inadequacy.
And it's a tactic of the enemy. It's an absolute tactic because
God never heals people because I'm good enough.

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He heals people because he's more than good enough.
OK, so it's a lie and it's a stumbling block and the gap is
really uncomfortable, but the gap is good.
And if you don't have a gap, you're not growing.
There should always be a gap between what is required and
what you feel you carry. And in that space, we invite the
Holy Spirit to come. He, he not just bridges the gap,

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He builds a bridge for you to walk across the gap.
And every time you walk across that gap in faith, not by what
you feel, but by what you believe to be true about Jesus,
you're stepping into the gloriesof God, the great things that
God has for you. And the Bible says that we are
ever changing from 1° of glory to the next.
The glory is always behind the obstacle.

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OK, so the obstacle appears big.But I say this to my church.
I think they're sick of me saying it.
Christians don't have problems, they have promises, OK?
And when you have a problem, youshould take your problem and put
it under your promise. And instead of spending time
working out your problem, you should spend loads of time
thinking about your promise. You should be thinking about

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your promises all the time. And his promises to you are yes
and Amen. And that's the process you're
amending to the yes, that comes from heaven.
So when there's a gap and there's an obstacle, there's
also an opportunity. There's a space beyond that that
we are called by God to live in.And we're changing into the
likeness of Christ by operating by faith, not by what we feel or

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what we think or what we sent byfaith in the knowledge of who he
is. He is who he says He is, and He
will do what He promised He willdo.
And I would just encourage you do not overthink it because your
brain can get in the way of yourdestiny.
Do not overthink it. Just trust in the Lord with all
your heart and stop leaning on your own understanding.
If there isn't a gap, find a gap.

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Get a gap. Because if you don't have a gap,
you're not growing. And if you don't have a gap, you
don't have a need, OK? And you need to have a need
because your God will supply allyour needs, OK?
It's good for you to have a needand we're so used to kind of
having it all sewn up and havingit all together and being
professional about whatever we think we are and we're not
doing. We sometimes are adverse to the

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gap. The gap is good.
The gap is good for you. It's good for the Kingdom.
It's good for the purposes of God, and it's good for the
person or the people that you'reinteracting with because they
need to see you as a human being, not some, you know, caped
crusader that's come to rescue them from their plight.
And and so keep away from all ofthe deliberations in your head.
You're an adequies. Are absolutely brilliant because

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they can turn into God dependencies and I just want to
say that's a real Kingdom thing to think about.
Let me just jump on the back of that, Simon.
We could bounce off each other all day.
Normally I have a teacher with me to keep me in line, but two
prophetic people together? I don't know about you.
Sometimes I can't immediately gofrom the problem to the promise.

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If I'm having a bad day, what what takes me from the problem
to the promise is the present. So if if I can't muster that
faith because I'm not in that place, some days I can and
immediately I'm seeing the promise and let's fight that
problem with the promise. If I'm not in that place, I get
on my knees and I get in the presence and say God reveal the
promise to me because he's the one that reveals my heart.
He's the one that gives faith asa gift.

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It's not about striving. It's not about working it up.
It's about living in it. I'm going to demonstrate, mate.
Off you go. I thought I'd get it in before
you got it in for me. There you go.
I haven't got anything. Should I go then?
Come on. Well, I'll get something by the

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time I get it. Yeah.
Can I just share something with you?
Can you tell me your name, if that's OK?
Sonia. Sonia.
That's what's the name? Because I'm not that prophetic
yet. I'm still Sonia.
That what? What I saw.
Forgive me. Sometimes I get I feel the
emotion of the Lord as well as hear this word, but what what I
saw was bandages being turned into flags and what I feel like

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the Lord was saying is everything that ever wounded you
and everything that will ever come in opposition to you, God
is going to turn it to praise. He's going to turn it to
celebration. It's those broken moments are
going to become your beautiful moments and that treasure will
be passed to others that actually you will pass on
healing, You'll pass on breakthrough, you'll pass on
deliverance. I believe there's particularly
going to be anointing around in a healing that as you share some

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of your testimonies, that peopleare going to be lifted out of
anxiety, depression, that suicidal thoughts are going to
be broken off. The gentle deliverance is going
to be part of the flag waving. That's those things that have
bound you. Become beauty.
Yeah, I got something for someone.
Your shoes are too small and they're hurting you.
In other words, you're in a season of confinement, OK?

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And And you're complaining and you're whining and you're
whinging, but you're complainingto the wrong people, OK, because
you need to bring that lament before the Lord.
And in that in that complaining and that coming before the Lord
with the confinement that you find yourself, you will identify
the new assignment that is awaiting to you.
Your confinement is a revelationof a new assignment.

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It's too small where you are. It's too small how you think.
It's too small how you dream. And the father wants to expand
that for you. So I don't know who that's for.
If you're in a place of confinement, you feel like
things are just holding you backor holding you down.
Why don't you stand and we'll just deliver you from evil?
I don't know if you remember as far back as being a child and

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having shoes that you outgrew. There was often kind of
financial implications in my family in moments like that.
And I think a poverty mentality often came and attached itself
to those realities. But in the Kingdom of heaven,
there is no poverty, OK? And I know the devil's on a

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budget and he's got limited resources, but our Father in
heaven has no limits. There are no limits to the
Kingdom of God. You can experience as much of
him as you want. And, and any season of
confinement, we have to ask a question in it.
And this is the question we haveto ask God.
Who do you want to be for me in this season of my life?

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Not God. What are you doing to me?
Because God never answers that question.
But who do you want to be for me?
There's a revelation of his heart and his nature that comes
in a season of confinement. And of course, from that is a
catalyst into your new assignment.
You now carry something preciousfrom heaven.
So if you, I think there's more of you.
So I'm just waffling here for a little bit.
This is Holy Ghost waffle. OK, Just waffle a little bit.

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There's more of you. Because anyone who's walked with
any prophetic grace will have seasons where they feel held
back and hindered and restricted.
And I just, I just want to bringa release to that in your life
if I can. Yeah, thank you Father for the

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way that you in simple terms communicate complex and
difficult realities. But if our feet are shod with
shoes, which is our current reality that are too tight for
us, You are not a father who lacks in generosity.
You delight to give good gifts to your children and I just pray

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a release of those good gifts right now in Jesus name.
I thank you, Lord, that you haveeverything we need.
In fact, more than that you are everything we need, Lord.
And I thank you, Lord, that in you and from you and with you,
all things become available to me.
And I ask you, Lord Jesus, that you would just take the shoes
off the the last season away. Let the assignment become

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apparent as the confinement begins to fade.
And Lord, open up the new reality that you have for this
person. How lovely on the mountain tops
are the feet of those, the feet of those who bring good news.
And. And when you hear some kind of
picture about feet, it's always about taking ground.

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It's always about authority. It's always about, you know,
legacy and destiny. So, Father, I'll just release
that over your people right now.May they run, run like children
into the fullness of the Father's love.
May they run, Lord, into the flourishings and the blessings
that await them. May they run, Lord God.
Yeah, there's a little sense here that the confinement has

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damaged and I just pray for healing in the name of Jesus
Christ. Just bring your healing touch,
Father, to the feet of those whoare living in a season or have
been living in a season of confinement.
And now Lord, by the power of your Spirit will you awaken the
love that we all long for, whichis more than bread itself.
Father, awaken it in our hearts and lives in Jesus name.

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Amen. Amen.
Simon, would you believe we're on time?
This is definitely a miracle. Just want to give you some
moments just to share together, maybe get with two or three
people around you. We're not going to ask for
feedback, just to give us some chance to discuss and to share
where we're at, how the grace isoperating.

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Let me give you 3 questions justto help you with that.
So the first one, what has resonated with you from what we
have shared? The second one, how does this
grace show up in your story or context?
And the third one, where do you see this grace needed more in
your church, in your workplace, in your current context of life?

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Let me give you those again. What resonated with you from
what we've shared? How does this grace show up in
your story or context? And where do you say this grace
would be needed more in your church or your ministry?
Just spend some time sharing with the two or three people
around you. Wonderful if we could think
bring our conversations to a close.

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We're definitely Pentecostal. It's always easier to get a
start talking than it is to get a stop talking, right?
We're going to do an open 5 minutes of question and answer

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now, so if we could stop talkingthat would be helpful.
Don't make me go all Northern teacher.
I don't want to be telling anyone off.
We're trying to show the graces today.
Simon, we're going to have lots of difficult questions that

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you're going to answer. We might, we might have time for
two or three, depending how complex.
If you've got a, a burning question about what's been said
in your groups, about what's been presented today, about the
grace generally, stick up a hand.
I'll do the run in and Simon, I'll do the wisdom.
Go on, let me go. Go on.

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Can you turn the mic up if that's OK?
Thank you very much. Was that the question?
I think we can answer that one. Yes, we can turn the mic up.
Hi. Hi, Claudia, good to see you.
I get confused with the prophetic and the gifts of
wisdom and words of knowledge. Are they linked?

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Are they interlinked? Are they separate?
How do you know when you're walking in them?
I, I think they are interlinked.I think they kind of move in and
out of each other and, and you'll probably find that you're
probably operating them. We're not even realizing that
that's happening. And when you come away from
something, you think, gosh, thatseemed like it had some kind of
sense of God's presence on it. I think when we start

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categorizing things, we like things neat, don't we?
People like things neat. I think we miss the mystery of
how the Spirit moves. And I think it's always good,
the sensitivity that you carry, and I know you carry it really
well. The sense of you carry will
always take you where God wants you to go.
It's like a river that's flowing.
And, and whether it's a word of knowledge or it's a partial word
of knowledge or a word of wisdomor it's, you know, a revelatory

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gift of prophecy, I think those are lesser important questions.
I think what's important is thatyou're moving and operating in
the things that God has set before you.
Is that OK there? Was someone have a hand up over
here? There's a few over here.
Where are we going? Thank you.
So thank you so much. What a wonderful session.

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I wanted to ask about the Gracesfunctioning together because I
think this is a really key part of it.
How do we learn how the other Graces operate?
I think, I think we're kind of not there yet.
I think we're learning. The reason we're doing this is
because we're learning how this grace operates.

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OK. And I think that's probably a
long overdue conversation, but thank God we're having it.
I see the the kind of fivefold ministry as a hand.
So many years ago, I was pastoring in Glasgow.
I was sitting outside a chip shop one night in lashing rain,
waiting for my wife to bring thedinner to the car, which we were

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going somewhere, so we're going to eat on the way.
And I was grappling with the whole fivefold thing and not
really understanding what it was.
And I remembered at school we used to have like this little
thing that people put their handlike that and say, what's this?
You know, what's this? And and it was just a little
thing God brought back to my memory.
And it was a dead one of these was the answer.
OK, OK. And I know the simplicity of an

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Irish man. You've got to got to work with
it. And so God, when I did that
action, you know, in my head, I just thought God said, look at
your hand. And I looked at my hand and I
realized that I had five digits.I know it's remarkable to be 40
something and suddenly realized that, but that that was a five.
OK. And I'd see it this way, that
the, the Apostolic is the thumb.So it it's a strengthening gift,

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a stabilizing, powerful gift. The gift of, of the grace of
prophecy is a directional gift. It points towards the
evangelistic grace goes out pastthe church.
The pastor is married in love and devotion as a shepherd to

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God's people, and the teacher brings balance to all of those
things. It's amazing.
And, and, and so, so the, the big thing for me was that
thought kind of kept me thinkinga long time about how these
things work together. I don't ever need less fingers

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or digits. I need them all.
And, and in fact, if the teacherand the apostle are at odds,
these are the two fundamental sides of this glorious calling
and anointing this on people's lives.
Your hand will struggle to function.
And, and this was the thing for me that instead of we often used

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to think as this, this as an overbearing thing, but actually
the fact that I turned it upsidedown, God just reminded me that
it's a servant. Everything is a servant.
It's the hand of God through thegrace is serving the body of
Christ and serving the world beyond them.
So I don't know if that answers that question.
Yeah, that's really helpful. Probably got got time for one
more. Let me what we'll do if there's

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questions that you don't get chance to ask, can we?
We'll, we'll hang around afterwards.
We'll have conversation. Let's have one more question,
Will. We Craig, I will.
Craig. Yeah.
Craig, you, you mentioned that in in Kenya, you gave a
prophetic word to a gentleman and his initial response was you

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couldn't identify with what you were saying.
Yes. And are we also?
How then do we admit that we canget it wrong?
Because I think the gift of prophecy, we were talking about
it. I can be abused, yes.
In the judge, yes. And how do we, in a humble way,
admit that we can get it so horribly wrong?

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That's a brilliant question. For me, humility is key.
The way in which we share our prophetic culture, we don't say
thus saith the Lord. I very rarely would say the Lord
says the strength of revelation with which I receive will be the
strength with which I share. So if I have a fleeting
impression, I'm not going to share with absolute authority.

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And I'll say, can I, can I just share with you, I believe this
is what the Lord is saying and it makes room for an invitation
and conversation. That's really key in how we
shared it. So we're not abusing the gift
that has been given and we can all get it wrong.
See, there's clear unction of the Holy Spirit for me to
challenge his perception becausethe word was right.
It wasn't wrong, but there's times when I just miss it.
Well, I get up and say, actually, you know, church, I

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prophesied this and it's not happened.
Can I just tell you that I got that wrong, I missed it.
Will you please forgive me? It's got to be humility.
The graces have got to work together and I've got to admit
that we all see in part and knowin part there are no experts.
We're learning to grow in the grace and there'll always be the
opportunity that my flesh and myhumanity will mean I've got it

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wrong. Lead with.
Humility is the key. But also if, if, if we took that
paradigm, because that's a paradigm, OK, and we applied it
to all of the fivefold ministry,I think that would be just.
But there is a tendency to view the prophetic gifting and grace
slightly differently. And as someone who's walked with
Jesus a long time, I've sat in in congregations where the

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preacher has said things that aren't right and no one felt at
liberty to come and challenge that or even correct that.
So I think if we're going to have a culture where we are open
and vulnerable and honest about those things, let's have it
across all of the graces. I think it should happen across
all of the graces. And then just just on, on the
note of getting it wrong, you'llget it wrong probably a lot more

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than you'll get it right, OK. And and that's how this, that's
how you learn, isn't it? That's how you grow in these
things. But what we should be asking the
Lord to do is to help us become more accurate.
I think sometimes when we're delivering something, it's far
too wordy. I think sometimes there'd be
less words and more accuracy and, and I think we could do a
kind of teaching on that at somepoint about developing accuracy

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because accuracy ensures that we're actually getting, we're
functioning better in the grace that we've been given.
And I think there's not a lot onoffer for that, but I know
people that do that and it wouldbe good to that we're going to
end up, we're having to shut down now.
I'm sorry, time's gone, but I just wanted to invite you, not
all of you, because I don't knowwhat I'd do if all of you came.
But we, we, we have kind of started gathering the, the

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prophetic voices and the, the graces together.
Craig and I and a few other people here have done that.
And if you want to be part of that conversation, please come
and give us your details. And actually what we'll probably
do is ask for it to be sent out and then you can attach yourself
to that. And what we're we're hoping to
do is to, is to create a prophetic culture that that

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allows people to explore the gifts and the callings and the
anointings on their life, but also seeks ways to serve the
greater good of elim and what God wants to do through movement
in this hour. So if you're interested in that,
there will be training. There's lots of people on that
team. We've got great, great
experiences in training people in lots of different ways.
And you would really value some of that, I'm sure.

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Brilliant. Thank you Simon, if you've got a
burning question you want to talk about in the break, come
and have a chat afterwards. We'd love to finish by praying
for you all. Shall we stand?
Would that be OK? Would you give me permission
just to issue a challenge to us as people who carry the
prophetic grace? Is that OK?
Yes. See, I have a sense that if
we're going to see this grace operate fully within our healing

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family, then we need to be the most hope filled people within
healing. If we're the people that see the
prophetic preferred future of God, the Kingdom come in, the
future is bright, the future is the return of Christ, The future
is a promise for every problem. We should be the most hopeful
people as the prophetic people, and sometimes we haven't been.

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Sometimes I can be grumpy and frustrated by what I'm not
seeing rather than celebrating what I am.
Francis Frangipan and the three battlegrounds says there's every
area in your thinking that glistens with hope in God is an
earlier which is being liberatedby Christ.
But any system of thinking that does not have hope, which feels
hopeless is a stronghold which must be pulled out.

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So let me pray this over you andthen we'll invite Simon to pray
as we close. May the God of hope fill you
with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may
overflow with hope. By the power of the Holy Spirit
God make us people who carry theprophetic grace and glisten with
hope God that we might carry thegrace well.

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Our movement God might be a prophetic voice to our towns, to
our cities, to our region, to the nation and to the nations in
Jesus name, Amen. Yeah, and Father, we thank you
that your heart, your impeccable, perfect, beautiful,
tender heart is for us, and we live under the canopy of that

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reality. Help us to live out of that
Lord, and to flourish in all that you've set before us.
Lord, in Jesus precious name, Amen.
Thank you for being with us today.
God bless you all. Thank you so much.
Back in the main auditorium for 11:15.
If we can be prompt for the start of the next session, we're
going to be straight into that one.