Karina Moreno's Story: Faith, Resilience, and the Power of Unconditional Love

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Speaker 2 (00:13):
When my mom was pregnant of me, doctor said
she's coming all defected.
You need to have an abortion.
Really, yes, I was not supposedto be born, according to
doctors and science.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
The doctor said you had all these defects and they
recommended.
The doctors recommended yourparents to have an abortion.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Welcome to Elohim Podcast, a podcast about real
life issues from a biblicalperspective.
On this podcast, we don't justwant to be entertained, we want
to be changed.
Listen to the end to hear whatGod has for your life.
Elohim Podcast.
Welcome to Elohim Podcast, apodcast about real life issues

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from a biblical perspective.
Today in the studio we havesomeone special, someone that
even my family has listened togrowing up.
Her music has touched the livesof millions of people, actually
thousands of people, and she'sactually her family.
The Moreno family is fromArizona.
Today, we're just honored andprivileged to have somebody like

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yourself, karina Moreno.
How's it going?
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Thank you, ezekiel, I'm doing great.
I'm doing wonderful, happy tobe here, honestly.
Thank you so much.
You'm doing great.
I'm doing wonderful happy to behere honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you so much.
Uh, you have been aninspiration to so many people,
uh, so many young ladies orpeople in general or moms
cleaning their houses.
I told her.
I told her I remember when mymom would sometimes put uh
mariachi in el cielo while shewas.
While she was cleaning.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I get that story a lot.
I make people clean, you makepeople clean.
It's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's a good thing.
Well, I told you, if it's not agood song, people are not going
to listen to it, while they'resinging it.
Right, that's right.
No, but thank you.
Today, I think my goal of thispodcast is to not just have you

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sing you do plenty of thatalready and not just, you know,
talk, superficial stuff orsurface level stuff.
But I really want to know whoyou are, what you've been
through your story and hear itfrom the source, hear it from
the person itself.
Right, and now you're involvedin politics and all that stuff.
So how's it been Like?
How was your upbringing Like,singing at age five with Los

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Alamos, later on as well,mariachi, los Alamos.
How was your childhood like,growing up in that environment?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
It was a lot of adventure, a lot of adventure
and I had two parents whobelieved in me since I was
little and I had two parents whobelieved in me since I was
little and that helped with theconfidence that I had to debut
at five years old at MadisonSquare Garden, open up for a
sold out crowd at Madison SquareGarden where my parents were
performing, and that was anamazing experience.

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I think that it all starts withthe parents, the confidence
that you get It'll start there,and I just had amazing parents
that I mean.
These were weird parents to theaverage person, excuse me,
because most parents say go toschool, you know, get your
degree.
My parents, if I said I wantedto be a doctor or anything,
they'd say, no, you sing, you bea singer.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
So I had a lot of my Would you say you were your,
your like dad's or your mom'spride and joy, because not only
could you sing mariachi, but youhad the gift to write songs.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I, I think to a certain level, yes, I was, and,
and I mean there's 12 of us andI think all of us brought pride
and joy in a different aspectand I think, because I stuck
with the music that was moreprominent in their uh liking
then I just got lucky to be thespoiled one in that area, just
because I got to travel more,because I sang the music that

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they would sing with and if theyhad a live mariachi, well, it
was easier to sing along withthem.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
¿cómo fue crecer con 12 hermanos y hermanas, like 12
de ustedes, incluyendo y apartede sus papás?
How was it having 12 brothersand sisters in the house?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Mucha aventura and a lot of chaos, was it, like Never
, a dull moment?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Was it?
Did you guys ever like?
You know?
How was it?
I know sometimes people see theglam and the glory and the
shining lights.
They see the glory but not thefire Never.
How was it?
You know, financially, did youguys ever struggle trying to
make it with your music?
And you know, getting out there?

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Was there any moment whereyou're like man, what are we
going to do today?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So I think the struggle was before the music,
because my parents, they didstart singing from the moment
they got married and theystarted touring even before I
was born.
Their first album that they cutis called Maranata.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Maranata.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And my mom is in the cover with me in her belly.
Really, yes, and that is thefirst album I mean, it's an LP
and I'm in the belly in thatcover.
So I was listening to a lot ofmusic from before I was out of
her belly.
But those starving artistmoments, I didn't know them

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because my father was a veryfaithful person who knew God
would provide for everything.
So I never knew when there wasscarcity and there was.
But I didn't know it becausegrowing up there was always
plenty of everything we needed.
But when I got to a certain agewhere my mom started telling me
stories about how one day shewas like worried that there was

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no food in the fridge forbreakfast, only dinner, only
dinner.
And what I do recall about thatstory was that my father had
left his job to go full-timeministry and full-time musician
and evangelist right.
So I got to travel and do great,glamorous things, didn't see
that there was scarcity in someareas.

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And that day or that night mymother goes to my father and
says there's no food forbreakfast.
What are we going to do?
And my father said go to sleep,god will provide.
And she said I'm talking abouttomorrow morning.
He's like there's going to befood in the morning.
She said how?
He says I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Man, that's a man of faith.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
God doesn't give me all that information.
He just says to trust him.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And so he did, waking up to a knock on the door
around seven in the morning andseeing a lot of food dispersed
throughout the patio in thefront, Serious.
And this woman said the Lordwoke me up this morning and said
go buy a pastor and hischildren food that'll last them
two weeks.
And so now I look back and I go.

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I remember that day but Ididn't know it was a miracle
Because they never told us thatthere was need, because they
wanted us to feel safe.
And so as I grew up then theywere the what we call the golden
years of the music.
So my parents made it bigreally fast, so I didn't live in
that starving artist mode.
However, financially they facedsome hardships.

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I didn't know there was some,but what I did face was
emotional hardship and theemotional hardship where, for
several years, what I call theformative years of my life Right
.
Because that is when I got towrite songs like En Sus Brazos,
mariachi en el Cielo.

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God was already forming my lifethere.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
There was a a strong forging through the fire,
through the process, a lot ofhormonal changes because I was
going through puberty and I wasgoing through all of these
changes because you, when youbrought up that song, you were
telling me that in that momentto the world it might seem like
wow, carina moreno, this prettytalented and you're so pretty
right.
Thank you, amazing young lady.

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They would never have guessed.
When I saw the video, I didn'tguess that.
You know, you seem like such acharismatic outgoing person when
I would see you play the violinand sing your heart out.
It seemed like you were havingsuch a great time.
But you told me that you weregoing through it at that moment
yeah, from age 15 to about, uh,when I turned 18.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Those were hard years for me and that's what I want
to expound on a little bit if wehave some time here, because
people get desperate and in ahurry and they seek answers and
they want them fast.
What they don't understand,that it's a physical thing, it's
a hormonal thing.
Our bodies are changing.
I was going through puberty andI hated myself and I looked in
the mirror and I hated everyaspect of myself.

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Unfortunately, today, whensomeone goes through that, they
go to people that will tell themwell, maybe you're not happy
because you're in the wrong body.
And if they would only wait tillthe hormones settle down,
they'd realize they're in theright body.
It's just a matter of balancein your physical aspect, and so

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some people say, oh, it's aspiritual battle.
Other people say, well, it's,it's more of a mental health
with you.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I believe it's a normal, right hormonal imbalance
are you saying that because atthat time you weren't happy with
your image, your body?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I hated everything about me and people.
I I mean, I this is going tosound funny, but I was a good
looking young girl and now Ilook back and I go.
Why was I so sad?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I should have appreciated that more.
I can testify that I'm like ohmy God.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know, and all these guys were always like, oh,
you're so beautiful.
And I go like, no, I'm not.
What are they?
I hate myself.
Like what are they looking at?
And and my father would sayyou're so beautiful, you are
this.
And I didn't believe anybody.
But then I got to a point whereI started accepting even the,
the flaws that I had.
I started loving them and and,um, embrace not loving them,

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embracing them.
I think.
The love for myselfunfortunately came in my later
adult years, and that willexpound a little bit because of
unfortunate events that happenin your journey, right, and so
in this time I would tell people, hang in there for a while.
I have three children.
They too went through thosehormonal changes and not once

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did I say let's take you to findout if maybe you were born in
the wrong body.
Not once.
I would constantly say you'regoing to get through this,
you're going to the wrong body.
Not once I would constantly sayyou're gonna get through this.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
You're gonna get through this.
And yes, there was a lot ofchallenging moments with my
children.
Thank God, they're already pastthose years and they're moving
forward.
They're not perfect, butthey're in a good place Not
perfect, but good and I thinkthat's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
No, that's good thing , no, it's amazing.
So what can you tell?
Because I know that you weretalking about your daughter.
You love your child, you loveyour family, you're a family
person.
Mariachi I feel like mariachiitself represents family
orientation absolutely, and youknow the pride of being a
Mexican and all that stuff.
It's beautiful.
But you know what?
I've been getting reached outby different moms, parents that

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are concerned, legitly concerned, especially right now, with
society and how it is of theirchildren, of what they see.
They see them going through atough time and I said, ezekiel,
I send them the podcast in hopesthat they listen to it and they
get closer to God.
Your daughter you said thatyour concerns have changed from
one to another.
Can you tell me a little bitabout you?

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Know what hope you can give andwhat has happened to you when
it comes to your family, yourchild?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Absolutely Well.
As mothers, we're going to doanything we can to make sure
that our kids are going to besafe.
So what I would tell a motherthat is going through what I've
been through with my children,in their challenging hormonal
imbalance and all of those yearsHang in there, be present for
them, though.
Be present because they need tofeel safe in spite of their
challenges.
So they're going to be in theirroom, they're going to be sad

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and feel all kinds ofchallenging feelings and
emotions All kinds.
I mean negative ones.
However, if they know thatthey're in a safe place, they
will feel a little bit ofstrength, even if they're not
feeling the entire strength thatthey, as a mom, we want them to
have.
They will feel some strengthand know they could always come

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to you.
My kids always knew they couldcome to me.
It didn't matter what thechallenge was, even if it was
something they knew that momdidn't want to hear, because
there's scary things for amother to hear from a child
who's going through depression,anxiety, and so when my children
would come with me to that, Ijust had to be strong and listen
, without coming apart, for themto feel, oh my God.

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That's why.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I can't come tomorrow .
What did you feel?
But what did you say when yourchild would come and tell you
mom, I'm feeling depressed, mom,I'm feeling anxious, or mom,
I'm doing this, I'm doing thatto myself?
What did you feel and what didyou say?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Based on how I confronted my anxiety and
depression.
I would tell them you're goingto have to understand something
that feelings they're not goodor bad, they're just feelings.
God made us emotional so we canfeel, but it doesn't mean it's
a good or a bad thing, it's.

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It's a feeling.
So you're alive, you can feelyou're alive.
That's hope.
Now, every day, I'd say dosomething that makes you feel
better.
So instead of being locked upin your room a lot of us lock
ourselves up when we'redepressed go for a walk, and
there's just a process and wedon't have time to go through
all of that.
But what I would tell you as amom is just be present.
If they need you, make surethat you are.
It's a fine line right, it's afine line, because they can also

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take advantage of you if theysee you're just going to be at
their beckons call and that theycan manipulate a situation,
knowing mom's going to be here.
It doesn't matter my behavior.
No, what I learned through thisis that me being um extremely
permissive about a few things,because I felt that if I didn't

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give into it, they would rebeland hurt themselves or go the
deep end, right?
So I made the mistake of sayingjust give this to her, just do
this so she won't cry, so shewon't feel depressed.
That's damaging.
What I had to learn is You'rejust masking the symptoms?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Absolutely yeah.
You're not healing the rootcause.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Absolutely.
What I had to understand isthat the battle wasn't mine, it
was God's, and the authoritythat God gives you, he tells you
go into the room and speak withthis authority.
Don't be afraid.
See, moms get afraid because wehear so much suicide.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And we see people I know, dear people to me, that
have had that happen to them.
So that was something veryscary to me and I said I never
want to experience this, so I'mjust going to be at their
beckons call.
That's damaging because themanipulative spirit comes
through it all.
So, as a mother, I had torealize god gave me an authority
and I can't be afraid of theenemy, and the enemy is the one
that is causing a lot of this uhchallenge right now.

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So I'd go in there and say, no,you're not going to do this,
I'm not afraid of that.
Stop threatening me with thosewords Like if you don't give me
this, then I'm just going to dothis.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Don't do that Como chantajeando Exactamente.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Es como hacer alcahuete Y decir sabes que no
le voy a hacer daño, para que nose haga daño, no le haces más
daño.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Entonces tu hija o tú has confrontado, como madre,
situaciones donde ha habidodepresión, ansiedad, pero
también self-harm, y tú hastomado la posición de ser
amorosa pero también firme.
Firme Y decir ¿sabes qué?
Hasta aquí, llegó.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yo quiero dormir y no puedo dormir contigo.
Así es que vas a hacer lo quevas a hacer.
Dios va a estar conmigo y me vaa ayudar y vas a quedar, tú, en
el olvido.
Así le dije, así me lo dije Ican sleep with you.
So you're going to do whatyou're going to do, god is going
to be with me and he's going tohelp me and you're going to
stay in oblivion.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's what I said.
There was never anotherattentive to damage when I told
him do what you're going to do,but I'm going to sleep Because I
haven't slept in two years, Twoyears Of pure being awake to be
sure that nothing was going depuro estar despierta para estar
segura que nada iba a pasar, quenada iba a lastimar y dañar.
Entonces yo dije no, me voy adormir, Haz lo que hagas.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Dios está conmigo.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Eso es lo que tú dijiste, es lo que dije Y dije
Dios, no me quiero arrepentirpor lo que dije.
Hasta ahí llegó la amenaza,hasta ahí llegó la manipulación.
Jamás otro atento Empecé a verluz en su vida.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Empezó a ir a la iglesia, empezó a ayudar con los
ministerios, ahí, ahorita,sirve.
Es la que me dice mamá, no teviene a la iglesia esta semana.
Claro, obvio, yo estabaministrando en otro lugar, ah,
es que estabas trabajando.
Pero ella siempre está tanatenta.
Y ahora hay un balance paratodo, porque también lo que

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puede suceder es que porquealguien no quiere regresar a las
costumbres de autocondenación yde lastimarte y de hacer cosas
que pueden lastimar a tu familia, estás arraigado de la
religiosidad Y eso daña tantocomo el otro.
Es un spectrum Y te puede dañartanto.

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Sabes por qué?
Porque estás viviendo en unareligiosidad y en una relación.
Entonces, lo que ella ha tenidoque aprender es que Dios no
está atento para dañarte, estáatento para abrazarte, y eso es
lo que muchos religiosos noentienden.
And I'm going to say this inEnglish now I have known about

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God for 50 years because I'm 50.
Wow, but I know God himself andI met him eight years ago.
Eight years ago.
That's eight years that I'veknown.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
God and you know what , watching your stuff and
listening to your music andlooking at other stuff, through
the Spirit I could discern.
And I'm not trying to be allspiritual and all that, but God
has given me some discernment.
You look better today.
Oh, thank you, and I'm not justtalking about physically, but
emotionally, spiritually.

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I can see a glow in your eyesthat I didn't see seven, eight,
10 years ago.
Maybe it's because now you'remarried to a amazing man I am,
but you are and you'll tell me alittle bit more about that
Cause you guys even did a video,a wedding video and a song.
But this important what yousaid I've known and I heard

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about god, but I haven't and Ididn't know about him and I
didn't get to know him reallypersonally, personally, until
seven, eight years ago.
Can you elaborate on that alittle bit?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
yeah, you want to know how I met him tell me
because I was angry at him.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
You were angry I.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I said you know what I've known about you, but I
don't even know if you arereally real.
And I challenged him.
I said I checked every box sothat one day I could be divorced
and be in a place that I neverimagined I'd be in, Because the

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boxes I checked religion told mecheck this box, and that can't
happen to you.
Wow, check this one, and thatcan't happen to you.
I checked them all and all ofthat did happen to me.
Wow.
So I went to my bed and I gotrebellious for the first time.
I had always been a verysubmissive person to religion,
to my parents, and obedient, andI believe that God has blessed
a lot of that, because there wasa sincerity in my heart.
God wants a relationship withus.
And so I remember I was in myroom and I was.

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I had the pillow and I was likethrowing a tantrum and I was
mad and I looked up and I go Iknow you exist because I've seen
you in action, but I don't knowyou.
And to me, if all of this is aproduct and a consequence of
checking every box, theneverything I've believed in in
the last I don't know how manyyears that was it's been a lie

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and I'm mad at you, I'm upset.
So don't use me anymore.
I don't want to ever preach, Idon't want to sing.
Look away, find somebody else.
I just want to die in my miserywow, like.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Those are the thank you for.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
God, those were the words I told him and I cried and
I was alone in my room andEzekiel I can't explain how I
heard it or felt it, but thevoice was loud and clear and it
said you can run, karinita, youcan go, do what you want to do.
My presence will never stoppursuing you, and that's when I
learned that when God choosesyou, it's irrevocable.

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He's not going to take it back.
He already picked me.
He couldn't pick somebody else,and that goes to all the people
that want my baton.
You can't pick somebody else.
He picked you.
Wow, pick your own baton.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
He picked you yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Wow.
And God came and said no, peter.
He rejected me three times, butmy word and my promise is so
firm I couldn't go back on itand that's why I still used him
to be the one who started thechurch.
So he used a sinner like Peterto be the beginning of what we
are today.

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He could have said Peter, yousuck.
And I know I'm going to get introuble because I said you suck,
but I said it hey, we're beinghere LOA podcast, a podcast
about real life issues from avocal perspective.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
So you told God God, I did everything I was supposed
to do, I obeyed my parents, Iwas in church.
I I behaved well.
I didn't do this, I didn't that.
I got married like I'm supposedto.
I had children, but then I gotdivorced.
This is chaos.
This is a mess.
I'm dealing with all thiscriticism and critiquing and all

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that stuff.
So you were in a moment ofdesperation and deception.
They say that men makedecisions based off two things
inspiration or desperation.
And in that moment inspirationI got out the door.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, I was done with inspiration, god.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
what am I going to do ?
What?
What am I supposed to do?
I'm even contemplating that youeven exist.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean.
I said I know you exist becauseI've seen you at work.
I would be very ignorant, andyou know, to say the least, um,
if I would deny your existence.
I'm not going to be atheist,but I'm mad at you and I don't
want to talk.
And you know what I learned?
That I did two things that day.
I was.
They say, the most dangerousperson is one who has nothing to
lose.
I'd already lost it all.
So I said I have nothing tolose.
Find somebody else.

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Just let me die here, leave mealone.
He says I'm going to pursue you.
Somebody had left me andsomebody else was saying I'm not
going to leave you.
I fell in love with him.
I met his heart and he says youthought I wanted you to be at

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church every Sunday.
You thought I wanted you towear long skirts every Sunday.
You thought I wanted you not towear all that makeup.
I never said that.
A man or a woman made that upbecause it was convenient for
them it made them feel better,imposed it on you and you
thought that was me.
You know what I wanted you to do?
And I said what?

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And he goes.
All I wanted was your heart.
I just wanted to get to knowyou.
I created you to have arelationship with you.
Beautiful, you don't even haveto go preach if you don't want
anymore.
You're missing out if you don't, but if you say today, I will
never, I'm not going to stoploving you.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Wow, and you know what that is, karina.
That's called unconditionallove.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Nobody gets it.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
God doesn't look.
God doesn't love you more todaythan he loved you yesterday.
He loved you as a sinner andnow he loves you the same way as
a justified because we're notperfect as a justified,
righteous child of God.
Yes, through the blood of Jesus, through his righteousness it's
not even mine Through the bloodof Jesus, right, justified,

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there's nothing we can do thatwill make God love us less or
more.
He loves us the same.
Now the consequences.
And then Victor will get yousome tissue, thank you, this
conversation is getting real.
But this conception of that, youknow, we have to do this, we
have to do that in order for Godto love us.

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Yes, it's false, and you know,I think that sometimes we think
that God loves how the worldloves, absolutely how we do it.
How we do it, yes, if I don't,if I fall short of the glory of
God which we all do, for allhave sinned and fall short of
the glory of God that he's goingto stop loving us.

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And when we understand that man, god really loves me,
regardless of my mistakes, of mywounds, I am not what they've
done to me and I am no longerwhat I've done.
Yes, and you know, there'snothing we can do that will make
God love us more or less.
But there is consequences,though I just want to point that
out, that you know your actionsdo have consequences and

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rewards you what you've beenthrough you said something
powerful they left me, but Godwould never stop pursuing me.
Yeah, what can you tell to thatwoman or that man you know that
has felt abandoned, forsaken?
Maybe they're going through adivorce or a hard situation?

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How did you feel?
What were you going through andwhat relief did you feel when
you got those words from God?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
So first the words are they're water to a thirsty
soul because you're drained,like when he told the woman at
the well.
It wasn't a coincidence that heused the metaphor of water.
Women get thirsty and if we'renot watered, we're like a garden
If you don't water us, we dryup.
And I was dry.

(25:18):
I was dry and I heard him sayI'm going to give you, or he,
I'm sorry.
He told the Samaritan woman I'm, I'm gonna give you water, but
not the one that you're used totaking the, the ones from that
man, that one, there's five.
Then she was about to startwith number six and and you know
, and he's like you're, you'rethirsty, so you're drinking all

(25:40):
this water that makes you morethirsty.
He says I'm gonna give youwater, not from the well, I'm
gonna give you one that's gonnamake you never thirst again.
So right now, my identitydoesn't.
I love that my husband wakes upin the morning.
Even when I look ugly, nolashes my hair's like this.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I can't imagine that, karina, I can't imagine that,
but no.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And he'll say you're so beautiful, but and that's him
watering you.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's him watering you, that's him watering you.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's how you water, the plants.
Wow, that's how you know why andI'm going to stray it just a
little bit because we're alreadyhere Right, the reason why so
many marriages fail is becausethe grass looks greener on the
other side.
Why does it look greener?
Because it starts drying here,so you just start going.
Oh my God, why does that womanlook prettier than my wife?
Well, maybe you stoppedwatering the grass where you are

(26:27):
in and it looks dry and shelooks withered because there's
no more love.
A woman multiplies what a mangives her.
God put him to put poor lifeinto her and she multiplies that
.
So if a man say you look badtoday, well, you know what?
Your tacos aren't going to comeout very delicious.
But if my husband, what did Itell you before the show started

(26:47):
?
I got to get home because why?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
You want to eat dinner with your husband.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Why do I want to do it?
Because he's watering my gardenevery single day.
He's I love you, baby.
He provides for me, he does.
It would be awful for me to sayI kiss you.
Yeah no, it's my love, my honorto serve my husband.
Because he waters our garden,my grass is green.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And you could tell.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's green, and he doesn't have to look over there
and say, oh my God, that woman'sbetter than my wife.
No, he's like beautiful woman,but I've got the one that God
gave me here.
And so many marriages failbecause you stop watering.
The man is the captain of theboat, gets off the boat, leaves
the family alone and startswandering in choppy waters, and

(27:32):
then finds disillusion.
And here's the deceptive partof the grass is greener on the
other side?
It absolutely is, ezekiel.
There's better women than meout there.
There's a lot prettiereverything.
However, if my husband were togo and leave this wife here, or
your husband, whoever's payingattention right now goes all of

(27:54):
a sudden, he's going to say, wow, this grass look greener from
far.
Why is it drying?
that's because you got there,you dried it wow, you didn't
provide you didn't provide andyou're going to be jumping from
grass to grass to grass, andit's going to look greener when
you're not there.
But as soon as you get there.
Well, that's so true becausemen are supposed to be the
providers and the head of thehouse.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
We don't understand that we're also providers, not
just financially, not justthrough protection, but
emotionally.
And that is true whatever wegive a woman, she multiplies.
We give her the seed.
She gives us a child.
Child we buy a house, she givesus a home.
Yes, man, thank you.
But give her hell and she'llgive you armageddon, world war,

(28:38):
three hades, hades all hadesbreaks loose hades 2.0 that is
so true.
But thank you for sharingthatina, because right now
you're ministering to me,because sometimes I think that
we can be so preoccupied withwork, with this and that, and
I'll be honest, sometimes I haveto work with different people,

(29:00):
different women, different allthis.
And you know mentors in my life.
Tell me, ezekiel, be carefulwith your eyes.
Be careful with having haughtyeyes and haughty thoughts.
Don't let them get into yourheart.
Take care of what's yours, takecare of what God is giving you.
Proverbs say cherish the womanof your youth.
You know, cherish your wife.

(29:20):
And I think sometimes that asmen, we're succeeding in
different areas but we'refailing in what's most important
.
Yes, your soulmate, the womanfrom your rib, the woman of your
children, you know, and themother of your children.
And honestly, right now you'reministering to me in the sense

(29:41):
that you're reminding me andthis goes out to all the young
men in whatever marriage, youknow, we have to water our, our
significant other, our wives.
Yes, and that's true, I think,if I think about it.
Um, recently, oh, I, I made theeffort of finding a perfume that

(30:01):
my wife would love.
My wife has a very strong senseof smell, a smell like very
strong.
So not every perfume ispleasing to her because it's too
strong, but I made the effort.
I was like I want my wife tosmell luxurious, I want to be
around her, my man.
So it's just funny and it wasexpensive but it was me showing

(30:22):
off.
I love when my wife wearspurses, that I purchase her
because it makes me feel likeshe is confident, she likes it
and she's a representation.
She's your queen, she's myqueen.
I can't go out to church oranywhere and me look amazing or
whatever and my wife not lookgreat and my children not look
great.

(30:42):
If I look great, my childrenhave to look great, my wife.
So thank you for sharing that.
That's a good priest, that's agood priest, thank you, that's a
good captain.
Yeah, yeah, we're the captain ofthe ship.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I always say you know , feminists don't know what
they're missing.
They say I don't need a captain, I could we have a boat.
We go to the lake in the summer.
I know how to drive it while Iget a tan in the back with a
little drink Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm the queen of the boat.
That is so good.
He said, I can drive the boat.
I can drive it, but I don'twant to.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I could open my doors , I could do all those things I
don't want to.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I want my king to do it for me, get that shot on her,
because we need a man, we needwomen.
Can you say that again?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Can you say yeah, feminists don't know what
they're missing when they say Idon't need a man.
Oh, yes, I do.
I need him to open my doors, Ineed him to love me and pour his
.
Because you know what, tonight,when I leave here and I get
home, guess what?
My captain is going to be wait,he's tired.
He's coming back from.
He went.
We have a property, he property.

(31:49):
He's going to come home tiredand there's a nice crock pot
waiting with a nice roast.
Oh my God, you give to a woman.
She multiplies it for you.
Right, right, right.
If he wasn't giving to me, I'dbe like let's do five podcasts,
I don't have to be home tonight.
I don't want to be home tonight.
I don't get treated right.
Instead, I'm just like we gotto chop chop because my honey's
going to be waiting and I wantto eat with him.
Those are important things in arelationship.

(32:17):
So now I deviated far from ourtopic of how, when I met God,
what made me fall so much inlove with him?
So here's now.
It's not really a deviation,it's all connected.
There's parallels here, becauseI stopped and I know that
people might get uncomfortablewith what I'm going to say, but
for my sanity and for myrelationship with God to get
strengthened.
Because I had only known aboutGod all my life.

(32:40):
I never knew what it was to goto a bar to do any of those
things, because I was raised ina Christian home where you do
everything, you check all theboxes until you get married, and
I did all of those thingsreligiously.
I get rebellious wheneverything falls and I'm like I
don't understand this.
God then says I'll never stoppursuing you, fast forward.
I had to stop seeing God as myGod.

(33:02):
Settle down, don't get upsetyet.
Settle down, don't get upsetyet.
I'm getting to my point.
I, for my sanity, I had to seehim as my Papa, my father,
because as a God, it'sintimidating, right, you read
the old Testament.
It's intimidating.
You die in his presence.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah Right, the holies of holies.
Only the priest can go in there, and he had to be free of sin.
So you had to see god.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
you had to stop seeing him, just as your god,
but as your father I knew he wasmy god already, but I was like
I saw you as god all those yearsand look what happened to me.
So I have to stop that.
And now I want to know that Icould go to you and say this
sucks and it hurts because youknow how I talked to my dad.
So, yeah, so when I go to youand say this sucks and it hurts
Because you know how I talk tomy dad, soy la consentida.
Yeah, so when I go to my dad, Inever go.

(33:52):
Señor Moreno, tengo que hablarcon usted.
¿me puede dar una cita?
No, I say me duele Anette, medio un trancazo.
Quiero que le lo hagáis y laregañes.
Mi hermano acá me está jalandoel cabello.
We go in this.

(34:12):
A spoiled kid goes in ademanding way with, and my
father loves me so much therewas nothing he would not give me
.
So I went to god and I saidokay, you brought me into this
world.
In fact, when my mom waspregnant of me, doctor said
she's coming all defected.
You need to have an abortion.
Really, yes, I was not supposedto be born.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
According to doctors and science, so you were a
high-risk pregnancy.
Oh my God, the doctor said youhad all these defects and they
recommended the doctorsrecommended told my mother to
abort me, your parents to havean abortion.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I was supposed to be aborted.
And my mom said you know she'svery faithful.
And she said you know she'svery faithful.
And she says Diablo mentiroso,no va a venir como venga y Dios
la va a sanar.
Y si no, pues no la voy aabortar.
And my dad always jokes becausehe says en cuando naciste,
luego conté tus deditos Y contétus manos, los dedos en tus

(35:04):
manos y tus pies Dice lo únicoque llegaste robando de gorda es
todo lo que tenías.
Estabas tan gorda Desdeentonces.
Me gustaba comer.
But you know, I think Satan'swanted to destroy my life since
birth because he knew thatthere's a lot of things that got
.
So, de ahí me agarré con Dios,le dije you brought me into this
world.
Fix it, cause I don't know howto fix this.

(35:26):
I world fix it because I don'tknow how to fix this.
I have three kids that I haveto raise now as a single mom and
obviously their father waspresent in their life.
But it was hard living alonewith the kids, it was hard doing
all those things.
And I said you fix it because Ihave tried to fix everything.
And look what happened.
So I think I just remembersaying, and you know what Papa,
I didn't even call him God.

(35:47):
I you know what, papa, I'mhurting.
It hurts and I just, I justneed you to love me right now
and I need you to hear me out,even if it sounds bad.
And Ezekiel, that was eightyears ago and to this day I
could still feel him right here.
He's not one inch away from me.
He's close to the brokenhearted, he's close to the humble he

(36:09):
loves.
When somebody says I get God,and that's when God goes, she
gets me now.
It's not religion.
I'm her papa.
She knows I'm her God.
That was established a longtime ago.
Now she knows I'm her father.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
That is so good.
I think.
Greater the calling, greaterthe attacks yes, greater the
purpose, greater the pain.
The pain comes with purpose.
That's beautiful, and thepurpose comes with pain.
They're hand to hand.
People want the glory but theydon't want to go through the
fire.
No, he is the potter, we arethe clay, and we got to
understand that God is going tomove us, mold us.

(36:46):
It's going to be uncomfortable,it's going to be a little
hurtful, but at the end of theday, we're created with a great
purpose and that is to serve.
How do we serve?
Maybe creating music that willchange the world, which I really
believe that you have done.
And you know, I know you'reknown as a singer, as a mariachi
, as an artist, but I can reallysee right now that people will

(37:10):
now start to get to know you asa woman that can preach the
gospel at a higher scale, causeI know you've done it already, I
know you preach, but I feellike God is going to use you and
elevate you to share a messageto that person, like you've done
it through your music even morefrequently, because right now,
what you're saying, these are,you know, jewels that you're

(37:32):
speaking into our lives rightnow well, I think we have to
keep it real and I think thatChristians have failed there for
one and I know this is going tobe explosive, but I'm I'm 50.
I'm over the criticism.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You can tell me anything you want.
When you're this age, you kindof look at life like what can
you do to me now?
I have been through hell fivetimes.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
What doesn't destroy you, makes you.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
It makes you, and so I don't care what people think,
but I will tell you this you gotto keep it real, and a lot of
people oh're christian.
For one, the word christianit's a title that was given to
us by pagans in antioch.
Jesus never called uschristians.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
what did he call us?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
sons of god, friends.
When did he say christians,follow me.
We were.
They were his disciples, hisapostles.
There were people whorevolutionized.
He didn't give titles, antioch.
Pagans were making fun of usand said look at those
Christians.
That's where we got the namefrom.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Because they want to be like Christ, those Christians
.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Christian means little Jesus, little Christ.
Wow, god says you're going todo greater things than me.
Jesus said we're not little,we're his children.
And so, yes, for the sake ofreligion and to not confuse
people more, then, yes, call mea Christian if you want.
But I'm not about titles, I'mgoing to keep it real.

(39:01):
The relationship I'veestablished in the last eight
years with God has taught me topray and get answers.
I used to pray and not seeanswers.
Now I get it.
I get it and I ask for thethings that I know I need.
And I know I dare not to askfor what I want, because what
Karina wants is destructive.

(39:22):
But the things that I need, hegives them to me.
And you know I will tell yousomething those of you who are
going through a, reallystruggling right now, whether
you're going through a divorceor you've been divorcing you
just can't get back on your feet.
I challenge you to go to Godand tell him how you feel he can
take it.
My mom she's so adorable, Ilove the way she goes, ay mi

(39:50):
hijita como le oras a Dios se mehace.
I go.
He's our father, mother, andnow that she's getting older,
she says I go.
He didn't.
When you pray, you pray and notsay God, what are you doing?
No, father, what are you doingin heaven?

(40:10):
What's up?
How would it be?
My name, your kingdom come.
And Miles Monroe speaks abouthow so many Christians are
saying one day we will go to thekingdom.
It's here already, yes, yes,he's going to come back for us.
But why are you waiting toexperience joy until we go to

(40:32):
heaven?
Heaven can be here in themeantime, experience it to the
fullness and then, to top it off, we will be in a place where we
will not cry anymore.
But why not experience heavenon earth?
I'm living on heaven on earthright now.
I'm living in heaven on earth.
I have experienced the goodnessof God here.

(40:53):
I'm not waiting to go to heavento experience it.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I'm experiencing it right here.
You know what?
Every day, when I see thatthere is something to be
grateful for, that's heaven, myworld could be falling apart.
But I'm experiencing heaven.
It's a dimension, it's agovernment that we don't
understand if we get our mindsinto the earthly realm.
But if you're in the kingdommindset, you will understand

(41:17):
what I'm talking about, and Iwant to tell anybody who's going
through a rough timeunderstanding God yeah, it's
hard to understand God.
I got news for you.
God doesn't need you tounderstand.
He's infinite.
We're finite.
There's no way we're going tounderstand him.
However, he does want yourheart, and so many people say

(41:38):
prove to me that there's a gut.
I don't want to because I can't.
I mean, I can, I can have adialogue that may make you feel
like, huh, maybe there is a God.
I'm not going to waste my timewith that.
How dare I, how dare I have thearrogance, with a finite mind,
to address and explain aninfinite God?
There's no way I could do thatin my humanity.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
And what people don't know is God lives out of time
and space.
Yes, he doesn't live in ourconcept, in our understanding of
what eternity is and all this.
He lives beyond our borders,our boundaries, and I think
sometimes it takes more faith tobelieve that there is no God
than that there is God,absolutely.
If there's a creation, theremust have been a creator.

(42:23):
If there's a gift, there has tobe a giver, a giver, right.
If there's a gift, there has tobe a giver, giver, right.
So I don't think that we werejust summoned out of nothing in
the sense of a big bang.
Absolutely, there's a specificamount of gravity.
The sun is located at a rightplace, not too close and not too
far enough to give us heat.

(42:44):
And and enough, not not soclose that it will burn us up.
Right, Right, the moon islocated.
None of that stuff can happenjust by accident.
And God loves us so much thatwe're his perfect creation here
on this earth.
Isn't that beautiful.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And it's not only beautiful, but it becomes more
magnified, the beauty of it all.
Right, when we ask ourselvesthis can you explain oxygen?
I know I'm breathing it rightnow because I'm not dead, it's
here.
I can't see it, I can't explainit.

(43:20):
That's where the magnitude ofGod becomes more real, because
you can't explain certain things.
But do you believe in oxygen?
Yes, exactly, I can't explaincertain things, but do you
believe in oxygen?
Yes, exactly, I can't explainGod.
Do I believe in him?
Not just because my parentstold me I met him eight years
ago.
I met him and you know what,even when I hadn't met him, as a
little girl, I was told thestory about how my father says

(43:46):
God will provide and there wasfood.
So I can't explain how thathappened, but it happened.
I can't explain how my fathersays God will provide and there
was food.
So I can't explain how thathappened, but it happened.
I can't explain how my life isfilled with joy right now, but I
have it.
I can't see joy.
It's not a substance, it's anemotion.
I can't see oxygen or air, butI know it's there because I'm
alive, and so there's somethings where we're limited, but

(44:08):
if you trust in God with allyour heart and, as the Bible
says, don't lean on your ownunderstanding.
It's pathetic, it's arrogant.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
What do you tell to the person that is maybe sitting
down and they're like man, whyhas this and that happened to me
?
Why am I going through this?
Why me, why this?
What do you tell them?
Do you regret anything thatyou've gone through?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
you want me to tell them something extraordinary.
Tell them embrace the cactus,hug it until it pierces every
part of your body, really,because that is what is going to
catapult you to your purpose.
Not the roses that you know,not the garden that you know,
not the beautiful moments whereyou say, well, my life is pretty
good, man, karina, and yourlife sucks from the thorns.
Come the roses that you know.
Not the beautiful moments whereyou say, well, my life is

(44:48):
pretty good, man, karina, herlife sucks From the thorns come
the roses.
That's where it comes from.
That's where it comes from.
Te vas a disparar cuandoentiendas que tu propósito no
está basado en la comodidad detu vida, sino que en el carácter
que Dios está formando en eldesierto.

(45:08):
That's where you come from,that's where you're catapulted.
De ahí te disparas.
Te disparas del desierto, nodel jardín.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Wow.
So are you saying that youembrace todo lo que has pasado?
You wouldn't change anything?
The good, the bad, the pretty,the ugly, none of that.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Not one thing would I change, but not only that.
Now, when I have challengeswhat was happening with my kids
during the divorce, thedepressions and all the things
that they encountered thosethings I was able to face it and
go, and god's gonna deliver mefrom this one too.
Wow, I didn't come apart likebefore, when I was religious,

(45:48):
with the long skirts and the nomakeup and fear, fearing 365
days a year, fear do I look likeI'm supposed to do?
god, are you pleased because myskirt's long?
And did I please you by goingbeing right onto 10 o'clock at
church?
Did I please you?
And the whole time god's sayingyou stress me out so much?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
we make Christianity sometimes so complicated.
You grew up not having to, notbe able to wear makeup, not long
skirts.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I was the only kid in school with a long skirt.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Everybody else dressed normal, just really yeah
, you know, I was watching thisvideo.
You guys were in Arkansas in1997, mariachi los salmos and
you guys were at this churchbeautiful church, it seemed like
, but it seemed like you.
There was some feeling of beinguptight a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah because there's a lot of fear in my parents.
They did a beautiful job withwhat, and I have to tell people,
learn, especially kids thatcome from an upbringing like
mine.
Okay, a lot of my friends havethe same upbringing and this is
a message Don't ever criticizeyour parents for upbringing,
because that foundation onlythey could have given it to you.

(46:56):
They did what they knew best.
They weren't doing it to harmus.
They believe that was honoringGod.
Now my parents, by their ownadmission, say there were some
things that we could have leftout, that weren't necessary, by
their own admission, andhumility is what got rewards.
So I'm not knocking on myparents for that.
I love everything I've beenthrough now, but are there
changes I want to make withfuture generations?

(47:19):
Absolutely, and I think my kidsare going to say my mom did
this wrong and I would like tocorrect it.
And I have to have humility inknowing that they're going to
make some changes that are goingto be good for their generation
.
That where I was deficient inthat information.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Right.
So your parents, I think theydid a great job of breaking the
ice, of being pioneers, and youknow, I'm sure you guys
encountered moments where youwent to these super religious
places where they frowned uponmariachi, oh my God, where they

(47:58):
criticized you guys and what aresome of the things that cause
I'm.
I am going to show somepictures, not just yet, but I'm
going to show some pictures ofof you know, then you can
elaborate a little bit aboutthat.
But, um, what's, what are someof the things that you guys
encountered with religion andall this, um, being pioneers in

(48:19):
the christian mariachi genre?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
nobody ever sang with mariachi in christian
environments.
My parents broke those barriersand then along came.
All of the other mariachisingers came after.
My dad is the one that brokethe ice.
Everybody basically rode on thebacks of my parents that had
gone through criticism.
They went through so much, umhate, wow, because we were

(48:46):
singing cantina music.
That's what they call it.
Esta música es de cantina.
Cantina music.
O sea le querían dar el créditoal diablo de la música mejor
del mundo.
They wanted to give the creditto Satan.
I said how dare you give Satanthe credit for the most
beautiful the music that's goingto be played in heaven?
How dare you say the devilcreated it?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Mariachi en el cielo.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Mariachi en devil created mariachi in el cielo.
Mariachi is a beautiful musicof my father's heritage.
It's in my blood and it's justbeautiful.
But that's what religion does.
It hurts people, it doesn'thelp people.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Religion hurts people .

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It does not help people wow it doesn't help wow,
no it just hurts people and itall stems from a man or a woman
who got arrogant and thought Iwant people to do what I want,
and that's called manipulationand that's witchcraft and that
is a sin.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Instead of teaching, what did the Catholic Church do
for many years?
Didn't let the people read theBible why?
Because they'd know the truth.
Wow, and the truth sets youfree.
So in Protestantism we have thesame people, people saying
let's just tell them that thisis bad because that's what we
want.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
So you think that all these limitations, these
man-made because I've talked tofriends, um, I grew up
pentecostal apostolic and thenlater on more apostolic and all
that stuff.
I basically was born in church.
My mom almost gave birth to meon the altar, just to tell you
so you have your this?
Yeah, yeah, I was.
She was probably praisebreaking and she almost gave
birth to me.

(50:14):
But you think, all theselimitations, that are not
necessarily things that are inthe Bible, because I've had
friends and I told them, well,this is not in the Bible, this
is not in the Bible.
And I'm like, yeah, it was justlike.
You know, your, your job hasrules and stuff, and they don't
want you to do this.
I'm like, why can't you have abeard at church?
That's kind of weird.
Or why do you have to do thismandatory wise?
And they're like, well, they'rejust, you know, part of the

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rules here at our church andstuff, but they're not in the
Bible.
And I'm like, yeah, we know, weof limiting the reach that you
can have on just people that arenever going to dress like that,
because that's just not whothey are, or you know, it's just
a little bit too much.
Yeah, in the sense that justpeople just want to come and
worship and feel the love ofchrist and maybe turn their life
around and it's a process.
But do you think all of theserules man-made rules are just

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ways of manipulation?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
absolutely.
What else could it be?
It's okay, not onlymanipulation.
But well, manipulation comes asa product of fear.
When somebody is manipulatingsomeone else, they're fearful of
something happening, and that'swhy they say I'm going to
manipulate this so that they dowhat I say, because I'm fearful

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of them doing the opposite.
So manipulation is the productof fear.
What does the Bible say aboutfear?
Fear not.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Jesus said in John 14 , no se turbe vuestro corazón.
Creed en Dios, creed en mí.
And here is where my messagegoes out to people who feel like
, yeah, this is too complicated,I'm out.
No, read the four gospels.
And I challenge you to read thefour gospels and nothing else.

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If this is where you are,because there was a time in my
life where I couldn't readanything else, and you know why
it's four gospels and nothingelse if this is where you are,
because there was a time in mylife where I couldn't read
anything else, and you know whyit's four gospels, because
that's the only place we findthat jesus spoke jesus.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, that's in mark.
Look in, john.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yes, and when you read what jesus preached, what
was the core message?
Just ask yourself what was thecore message?
It was love your neighbor, loveGod.
It was, don't judge.
It was.
And it's funny because then youget these religious people that
say, yeah, but he also spokeabout hell.
Yes, he did.

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Who did he speak to it about?

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Now you're going into .
You said a key word right now,judge.
You were recently at apolitical event and we'll get
more in that, but you sing thesong I did you feel, because I

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know that you did it with theintention of bringing people
together.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Going volver a la verdad Y el video muestra una
Biblia.
El video muestra moralesvalores, pero no se agarraron de
sus, de sus este agarraron elberrinche, ¿no?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
De sus prejuicios, de sus prejuicios De su
religiosidad.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Y dijeron no, ¿por qué está cantando eso?
Ahora mi pregunta es cadapersona que me juzgó por eso,
díganme en dónde trabajan Y sitodos ustedes tienen un trabajo
secular.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Entonces, yo estoy cantando una canción secular,
pero ustedes trabajan para unacompañía secular.
Entonces, pero ustedes trabajanpara una compañía secular,
entonces deja tu trabajo y vetea trabajar a una iglesia, a un
orfanatorio.
Haz eso mejor.
Porque me estás juzgando?
Porque estoy cantando mi arte,De mi arte hago la vida.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Y si escuchas la canción en sí, no dice es una
canción de amor, Es muy sana lacanción?
No, estoy cantando canción Esuna clásica básicamente Tú estás
hablando de los evangelios.
You're talking about thegospels, yes, and one of the
gospels I think it's Matthew orif not, probably Luke there's a
story of the woman, theadulterous woman.
Yes, that's about to get stonedto death, la van a pedrear a la

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muerte.
And Jesus said something veryclever.
He said who he is free from sin.
Cast the first stone.
El que esté libre, libre depecado, arroje la primera piedra
.
Exactamente, and I believe, yocreo, que en ese momento se
empezaron a examinar a sí mismos.
They started to examinethemselves.
And I'm sure that if we examineourselves and or God puts all

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our actions, all the things thatwe do, we're going.
Some dirty laundry, some dirtynews, we all have something.
So sometimes we're quick topoint out all these things,
which I don't even think it'snecessarily a sin, but but when
we have our own a greater sin agreater sin.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Because the sin that we have in us is pride.
Which Lucifer committed thatsin.
He didn't sing a rancheracalled volver a volver, he sang,
he had pride, he haddisobedience.
So you want to talk about sins?
Then let's talk about yourpride, your arrogance.

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Your religiousness comes alongwith pride and arrogance.
When Jesus spoke about hell, hewas never addressing the sinner
.
He addressed the religiousleaders and he says you will
reap hell, you will see hell,you will experience it.
He spoke a lot about hell, buthe was referring to the
religious people.
He went to the sinners and saidgo and sin no more, I heal you.

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He went to the sinners and saidgo and sin no more, I heal you.
He went to the blind and gavehim.
He never once spoke to them andsaid you're going to hell
because you're a sinner.
Never.
He was telling the religiousleaders that there was a hell.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
So, karina, for that person trying to understand,
where do we draw the line?
Do we draw a line in what wecan listen to?
That's a great question, goahead.
Do we draw a line in what wecan listen to?
That's a great question, goahead.
Where do we draw?
Because I mean, I know thatsong is not.
As you know, you got to beultra religious to be like
you're going to hell forlistening to Orbit Orbit.
But where do you draw the line?
Where do you draw the line?

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With what music do you draw theline?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Jesus modeled.
In the four gospels.
Jesus modeled beautifulcharacteristics.
Three of them I can think of iscompassion, love, respect.
You're asking me there's a fineline, or where you?
Where do you draw the line?
If I have respect, I'm notgoing to be singing Rata de los
Patas, right?
That degrades men.
I'm not going to sing a rapsong that talks about hurting a.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Or degrading women.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Calling a woman the B word, degrading them, saying
that they're less than If I hearrespect, I'm not going to.
But what is wrong with singinga love song if Jesus taught
about love?
And if I want to sing, I wantto go.
Right now, I'm desperate to goback to the arms of my husband.
It doesn't even have to beabout the song that I

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interpreted it is about.
It's a love song and there'snothing wrong with that.
All honor and glory goes to Godwhen we respect one another,
when we love each other.
So does it mean that everysingle song I sing has to go
there?
I want to sing love songs to myhusband and there's nothing
wrong with it, and if you have aproblem with it, I respect you.

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Just leave me alone.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Let God deal with you .

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Let God be my judge.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Because, what is crazy, karina?
There's going to be a day wherewe're going to be before the
Lord, right, we're going to bebefore the Lord, and in that day
, some people are going to begloriously happy and they're
going to enter into the gates ofheaven, but there are some
people that are ministers rightnow, pastors right now, prophets
right now, evangelists rightnow that will not inherit the

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kingdom of heaven.
Because on that day, some aregoing to hear these words depart
from me, for I do not know youdoers of wrong, but, father god,
we prophesied in your name, wecasted out demons in your name,
we did miracles in your name,right?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
we didn't listen to secular music, but we didn't
sing Volver, volver Right, youknow, and we're not.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
It's yeah, and what I'm trying to say with this is
that sometimes we got to putthings in a perspective.
Life is all about balance, butI also believe in trying to be
the best version of yourself inwhatever it is that you do.
Absolutely I want to.
You want to.
You want to be the greatestmariachi singer you can possibly
be.
I want to be the best atwhatever I am doing.
I want to be the best ChristianI can possibly be.

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Not the Christian of the paganterminology, no, I understand
what you mean, yes, but thebeliever of Christ.
Right and salvation is free.
Anybody can receive salvation.
You believe by faith and you'resaved by grace and not by works
, so nobody can boast With.
That being said, salvation isfree, but anointing comes with a
cost, absolutely Right, andthere's a difference between
religion and a relationship.
Once you get that down, youhave a better understanding.

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But I do want to say that somepeople do think this way.
They live a mediocre Christianlife, in the sense that how much
can I do before I sin?
How much can I get away withbefore it becomes a sin?
Like like I am a reach thelimit and I'm a stop right here,
right before it becomes a sin.
And I believe in just doingyour best possible, doing what

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you can, because I want to liveout my purpose.
I want to get to heaven and notget there without reaching what
God had planned for my life.
I want to reach the pinnacle ofmy purpose and I don't want to
live a mediocre Christian lifewhere I just do the bare minimum
or I try to get away with asmuch as I can.
I want to do what God has calledme to do and if that means

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sacrificing certain things andI'm saying that because I can't
judge others for what God iscalling me to do If God calls me
to do a 30 day fast or a 15 dayfast or a seven day fast, you
can't expect everybody else, andmy wife doesn't want to do it.
That's her conviction and whatGod has for her life.
I can't judge other people ifGod is abstaining and telling me

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to abstain from certain things.
Now, should they do it?
Could they do it?
Possibly right, but that's onthem and what they want to
accomplish in their life.
Maybe they'll be saved, butwill they be used greatly?
I don't know.
That's up for discussion.
But I can't come and judgepeople.
But that's not up to us tojudge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Exactly, we can't judge people.
Everybody has to do it on theirown.
Exactly, we have to stop tryingto help god he doesn't need it
like you and your.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
In your profession, I'm sure that you've met
different singers that haveaspirations to do great but they
don't put in the work.
Yeah, but yet we still lovethem, cool.
Whatever, you go on your way,I'm going on my way, yeah.
And another thing is, like youknow, the baton.
All that stuff is not given,it's earned, absolutely.
When Elijah encountered Elisha,he was working it was what the

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oxen, the, the yuntas they callit and he ministered with him
and he ministered with him andhe was there.
And I think sometimes people,um, they're in this religious
world where they think thattheir actions are going to get
them somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yes, but you also need the favor of god you need
the favor of god, and I willtell you something you have to
put the work in the miles andyou have to bleed with the
person's, with the person whosebaton you desire so bad.
And this is how I'll put it.
I've so many people.
I get inboxed by so many peoplesaying, like Karina, like,
could you mentor me?
Can you do these things?
And I tried to do it with acouple of people when I lived

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back in San Diego that weredesperate to tag along because
they wanted the anointing.
Here's the deal.
I would say absolutely, let'sdo this.
So I got invited to a hugeevent.
It was a Billy Graham crusadeand I got to sing with a live
mariachi and there werethousands of people and it was

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at the Home Depot Arena, orwhatever it's called, in Los
Angeles, and just a greatturnout.
We had wonderful treatmentgreen room, all the food we
wanted.
Oh, these apprentices therewere two ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Mentees and disciples or whatever.
Yeah disciples.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
They were in heaven.
They were like I could do thisglamour.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
This is glory.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, because I had my makeup artist.
I had my hair, people doingeverything in the makeup room.
They said I could do this.
Not a month later I had to goto a prison in Tijuana and I
invited them.
They said, yeah, we're notgoing to do that, Wow.
But they want the baton, butthey want the anointing.
So I turn and I go get your ownanointing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Get your own scars, bleed your own blood.
Stop riding my back to get aneasy ride for what you can sing.
All you want the anointed iswhat is going to interpret the
song?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I'm going to be very modest when I say this.
I'm a professional singer, thatI know it, and not just I know
it, but I have been given thiscompliment by Top tier people.
People in the secular level ofmariachi who say Karina, you
should record these songs overhere, you would get super.
I'm not.
That's a whole notherdiscussion.

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That's not where I'm going inmy life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
You're speaking facts .
Yeah, that's not where I'mgoing.
I know you're trying to behumble, but there's a truth.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
You're a professional , I'm a professional talent, but
but all the professionalismthat I have is not going to
provide my purpose or save alife from suicide.
It's the anointing that comesthrough the bleeding and the
scars and the life that I'velived.
If you have not walked in myshoes, don't pretend to know who

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I am.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
And want to ride my back and get a free ride.
It's powerful.
No, get your own anointingBleed your own blood.
Stop wanting someone else'sanointing.
Get your own.
A lot of people want to do thatbecause they're fascinated with
the glamour of it all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And they don't understand.
That person cannot give you theanointing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
No, only God could give that to you.
That comes directly from God.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Right, and you might pass a baton, but that was
ordained by God, absolutelyOrdained by the mantle, but that
is at its right time.
God has a daily hour in themoment, right, but, like you
said, get your own, anointing inthe sense that get it from God,
not from a man.
Get it from the one that givesit and provides it, from the
creator of creation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
God gave me this voice.
Why do they come and say can Ihave your voice?
That's not a baton, that's myvoice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
The baton is the anointing.
The baton is the ministry.
There's a lot of harvest outthere that no one is harvesting.
Go start picking the fields onyour own.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I did it.
The harvest is plentiful.
It's plentiful picking thefields on your own.
The harvest is plentiful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
It's plentiful, but the laborers are few.
And you know why they're fewBecause they're looking to
people like us to ride a freeride on top of you.
Wow, no, that's not the way itworks.
Put the miles in Bleed Becausethrough the blood, like the
blood of Jesus, that's where thehealing comes.
Wow, when people hear my songs,they heal because of the blood
that I bled through thosemoments that made me write the

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songs.
The song Ella that I did withAlex Campos.
That was a song about mydivorce.
Why do you think so many peoplehave not gotten?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
divorced.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Because they heard the song.
So you want to just come andsay can I have your voice?
Absolutely not.
Not only you can have it,because it's's not even, it's
not even like, physicallypossible for me to do this and
give it to you, but it's notspiritually possible I'm just
mesmerized right now because youjust brought up great point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Without there is no healing, without the bleeding.
You think that you have to gothrough bad things in order to
do great things?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yes, I believe it with all my heart.
No one gets away with it.
Think about all the people thatwere anointed in the Old
Testament and the New Testament.
None of them got away with it.
They all had to bleed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
So, abraham, what about those people that say,
well, I don't have a testimony,I've never been through anything
, I had a great life.
God must not be able to use me.
I had to go get a testimony forGod to use me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
So I just think that it's not a one size fits all.
It's not like God says I'mgoing to use all of you guys the
same way, so you guys are allgoing to go through the same
process.
There are people they're lucky,because if there's somebody
that can literally say I'venever had anything bad happen to
me, I don't really have atestimony.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
That's a testimony itself, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Because we're a body and all the body parts have
different functions, and you arethere for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
This is my perspective, if I can share it
with you.
I think that what the enemytried to use for evil, the Lord
turns around and uses it forgood.
Absolutely the same thing thattried to kill the Hebrew babies
and Moses.
Absolutely God used it to gethim into the palace like he was
an Amazon Prime package.
Oh my goodness, that's awesome.

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The same thing that the enemywill try to use to destroy you.
God will turn it around to tryto get, and will get, you to
your purpose.
So I think that whatever you'vedone, whatever hardships,
whatever mistakes that you havegone through, just wait a second
, because God's grace and mercyand love will come and he will
turn it around and use it as atestimony.

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There is no testimony without atest right, whatever it is.
But I will tell you sometimesthat you know god can still use
you without you having to gothrough those things right?
There's so many ways god canuse you.
He can give you the gift of, ofscience, of wisdom and all that
stuff I have drawn so muchwater from healthy wells.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
There's people that I have in my life, very close,
that have been through a lot ofI mean, they've only known, not
glory but, just like you knowgood times in their life.
Well, they have ministered tome.
They have given so muchkindness to me, they have given
so much love to me and they'vesaid I don't know your pain, but
I'm here for you.

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Wow, that's a well I want todrink from.
So everybody has a ministry,but it just depends what part of
the body you are.
You know, the head worksdifferent to this pinky.
The foot works different tothis shoulder.
We're a body and we all havedifferent functions and this

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finger isn't going.
I wish I was that pinky onKarina's left hand.
This finger is happy to be here.
So when we're fighting forbatons, don't fight for
something.
You're in the body, work in thefunction that God gave you and
get your anointing, and thatfinger is going to do amazing
things like the one that youwant, right, god's going to do

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amazing things through us as abody of Christ.
But there's different functionsand I don't think it's funny.
I don't think God needs a bunchof broken people to do his
purpose.
I think he uses broken andwhole people.
I just happened to be one ofthe broken ones.
God saw me and he goes me laapaga.

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I want to answer somethingbefore we go on because I don't
want to forget.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Right, I just happened to be one of the broken
ones.
God saw me and goes me.
La va a pagar Por traviesa Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I want to answer something before we go on,
because I don't want to forget,right, there's an aspect of, and
this is a lot of religiouspeople say well, if you're so in
love with the grace of God,then does that give you
permission?
And this, that question, stemsfrom fear, just the question
itself.
That question stems from fear,just the question itself.
Pues, por tanta gracia que teda Dios, pues te va a dar ganas

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de pecar más, sabes que Diosnunca te va a dejar de amar.
That question or that statementis based out of fear.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Okay, you think so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
I believe it.
I believe with all my heart,Because if somebody is saying,
well then, if you believe thatGod gives all that grace, well
then you're just going to sin.
They don't understand somethingthat I learned.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I kept all the commandments.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
For so many years I did everything perfect because I
didn't want to sin.
I didn't want to sin.
My priority was waking up everymorning and being the holiest
person in the world, and themoment that I just said this
sucks, I give up.
I can't do this anymore.
And God says all right, you'rekeeping it real.
But when you find the giver ofyour life and you're so in love
with him, two things happen.

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Number one you don't want togive your back to him.
He's been so good to me.
Why would I want to leave theperson who gave me the biggest
chance of my life?
Number two there's God's graceIf I were to be the perfect
Karina today and tomorrow, I sayI'm going to sin the biggest

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sin today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Is God going to love me less?
No, but is there going to besomething called consequences?
Yes, yeah.
And that's what I don't want.
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I think that we have all received a bunch of grace,
yes and a bunch of mercy, and wejust don't even realize it.
Because if we determine it andwe define what they are, what is
mercy?
Mercy is not receiving what youdeserved.
If I was driving 100 miles perhour in a 35 mile zone and I got
pulled over by a cop and Istarted praying in my vehicle

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and the police comes back andsomehow, some way, he doesn't
give me a ticket or takes me tojail, that was mercy.
I did not get what I deserve.
What is grace?
Receiving what we didn'tdeserve?
We didn't deserve God'sforgiveness.
We don't deserve God's love.
We don't deserve salvation.
We were dead in our sins andour transgressions.

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God died on that cross.
God died on that cross Knowing,if you could put it on me,
knowing that we were going tosin, knowing that we were going
to make mistakes.
I have a son and I have a baby.
I have a five-year-old son.
I will never give him up.
I will never put him to die foranybody, because I know they're
going to stop talking to me.
I know they're gonna stoptalking to me.
I know they're gonna fail me.
I know they're gonna forgetwhat I did for them.

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But you know what Jesus didthat for us.
Knowing that we were gonna fail, he gave us grace.
He gave us and we receivedsomething we didn't deserve.
Yes, so if we really want tothink about it, oh, maybe we're
just very vocal of God's graceand mercy upon our life, that
that comes from gratitude.
Gratitude has nothing to dowith what we have and don't have

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.
Gratitude has everything to dowith our hearts.
When we have that posture ofgratitude, of thank you God for
this grace, and they hear it andthey see it, they're like
thinking that we're sinning andthat's why we talk about grace
so much.
But no, if we all understandthat God has been extremely
merciful, but no, if we allunderstand that God has been
extremely merciful and extremelygracious with all of us, then

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we wouldn't even have those typeof comments.
You know, I did an illustrationone time, karina, and I'm sorry
for the time, but I did anillustration one time when I was
preaching to youth and I hadtwo of them stand side by side
and I gave them both a spoon,and I gave a bigger spoon to one
of them and I gave them water,and then I gave them water to

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another one Right.
So I had them walk and theystarted walking and one started
walking faster than the otherone because he had an easier way
of going about it and the otherone started walking faster.
And when they first got, whenthey both got to the finish line
, I asked them did you drop anywater?
And they both didn't and theysaid no, I did it.
And I said why was that?

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Because I was focused on what Ihad in my hands.
I wasn't looking to the left, Iwasn't looking to the right, I
was focused and I was careful ofwhat I had in my hands.
And I said if you go about thatin your life and in your faith,
you will not mishandle what Godhas given you because you won't
be preoccupied with whatthey're doing and what they say

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and all this.
You're more worried about whatyou have in your hands and you
cherish it and you take care ofit, and God will not give you
more if you keep mishandlingwhat he has already given you.
Some people are bitter becausethey never reach the next level,
because they're like this.
They're worried about what'sKarina doing, what's Anet Moreno

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doing, what's Eliezer, thepastor, doing, what's Linda the
mom doing, when we are allgiving something to cherish, to
take care of in our hands.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
And you're spilling the water because you were
looking at other people's livesand you're not getting to where
you need to get to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yes, I want to ask you for those people that have
judged your family harshly.
You know there's some pictureshere that I want to share with
you on the screen.
This is your Marachi family Iwant to share with you on the
screen.
This is your Marachi familyproducer.
We could put them on the screen.
This is you and your sisterssinging in Arkansas in a church,

(01:14:52):
and one of the people thatpresented you guys said that in
one of the presentations maybenot at that church, but
somewhere in Arkansas, 200people gave their life to christ
.
Yeah, that's you guys playingthe violin very beautiful.
And then you know, talkingabout secular music and all that
stuff.
Your dad in this church sang asong.

(01:15:12):
If you could put a picture ofher parents, um, your dad,
eliazar, sang a song to your mom, linda.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, it was a love song esposa mia, esposa mia,
very beautiful, was a love song,paloma esposa mia, esposa mia,
very beautiful song.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Beautiful love song, beautiful song.
And then I think there'sanother picture of you singing.
I think en tus brazos, en susbrazos, en sus brazos, you were
singing.
Look Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I look so much like Sarah there, my baby so much.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Wow, and Victor's younger than me, so he doesn't
know too much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Oh yeah, he wasn't even born there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
But we have Annette Moreno.
She was singing and you told meshe has gone through a lot have
you bled like her, have youwalked in her shoes?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And so many people have judged her for singing
songs that somebody just didn'tAgain a man or a woman that just
decided I don't like this.
So I'm just going to say thatshe's a devil worshiper or
whatever the platform that shehas today.
I think I believe that she'sgot it because she's put in so

(01:16:16):
much work and effort into whatshe has.
But the foundation of it allwas her obedience in a moment
where she just didn't want toobey.
She didn't like mariachi.
She was.
She's been a rocker since shewas very little, but she showed
humility, perseverance, patience, and those qualities are things

(01:16:41):
that Jesus talked about in thefour gospels.
You got to, you got topersevere, you got to obey.
You have to do those things tosee goodness in your life and I
believe all of my brothers andsisters are a product of that.
We obeyed.
I was obedient to my parents,so I believe that today I am.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
That's her right there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
There she is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
There she is my beautiful sister.
Yes, and that's her right there.
There she is.
There she is my beautifulsister.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Right, yes, but I believe that we are all a
product of obedience.
My parents were very strict,and the obedience that we
displayed has helped us to bewhere we are today.
We weren't perfect, but youknow, the buckle that my dad had
on that belt was a little scary, so we had to obey.
Yeah, what is that?
Esos cintarazos belt was alittle scary, so we had to obey.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah what is that?
The parents back then?
They didn't play no games.
They were like about theirbusiness.
What is one fond memory, or howwas those days with the salmos?
Mariachi, mariachi, los salmosthey're beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I can't forget those.
They formed me.
They did, you know, justdriving, touring, doing long
tours, going all over the world.
We went all the way to israelwith the mariachi you guys we
sang to palestinians, toisraelis, we went to europe.
I mean, we just we've traveledthe world, our music has reached
a lot of places and it'sbecause my parents were very
serious about their call.

(01:17:59):
They, they didn't take itlightly and that's why I say I
can't sit here and complain.
Oh no, they were so strict andthey didn't let me wear makeup,
and I was the only kid at school.
I mean, it was challenging, butat the end of the day, all
those kids who were allowed towear makeup and all that stuff,
well, I'm not going to judge,but look what God is doing

(01:18:19):
through my life right now.
I hope god's doing throughtheir life.
But you know, a lot of times wemiss read our current situation
and don't know what lies ahead.
If you just stick it out andit's all about obedience, and it
was just like, as soon as I geta little older, I'm gonna start
wearing what I want to wear,but right now you'll submit.

(01:18:40):
I'm gonna submit because I amliving under my parents roof and
I am doing this and that, andthen, once I left the house, I
didn't want to rebel because Iloved what I had.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Unfortunately, life threw me a curveball and I
didn't know what to do with itI'm glad you're in a better
place and the word the word ofgod says honor your father and
your mother so that you may livea long life in the land the
Lord, your God, has given youAbsolutely.
And I just don't want to live along life, I want to live a
good long life, a good life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Matusalem lived 969 years and there's only one verse
that says that.
It doesn't say what kind oflife he lived.
Jesus lived only 33 years andwhat a revolution he caused.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
And God has plans to prosper you and not to harm you
Absolutely, to give you a futureand to give you hope.
Jeremiah 29 11.
The one we expect.
You've come such a long way.
Can you bless us with one ofyour songs today, and that song
I know is so meaningful En SusBrazos.
He's your father and his armsbrought you through a hard,
difficult moment, in a seasonwhere you weren't confident, you

(01:19:45):
had low self-esteem, where youwere going through such a tough
season and it was dark.
Like you said, can you bless usthis night with that song?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Absolutely I don't know.
I felt that my God hadforgotten about me and I said
it's not possible to continueliving like this.
Suddenly I saw the sky thethorns were sprouting, also

(01:20:32):
drops of blood, and I saw thatmy Lord for my sorrows was
crying Por mis penas, lloraba.
Y en medio de llorar, llegó unser divino A mi alma sedienta.

(01:20:59):
Le dio agua, agua, agua viva.
Quitó de mí el dolor y me tomóen sus brazos.
Ya no puedo vivir sin ti, señor, sin su mano.

(01:21:20):
Sé que yo voy a perder.
Ya no quiero hacer lo que nodebo hacer.
Solo quiero mirarte y novoltear atrás.
Permíteme vivir mi vida en tuverdad, y así tus ojos miren mi
puro caminar, porque quiero sercomo tú, quiero hablar como tú,

(01:21:46):
quiero andar como tú Y a un marcomo tú, yo te ruego, Dios mío.
Y en medio del llorar llegó unser divino.

(01:22:08):
Oh, mi alma sedienta le dioagua, agua viva.
Quitó de mí el dolor Y me tomóen sus brazos.
Me dijo ven conmigo.

(01:22:32):
Y las lágrimas él me quitó.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Wow amazing.
Very, very healing song.
There's a lot of healingbecause when I finished writing
that song, ezekiel, I saw itleave.
I didn't feel it leave.
I saw the darkness leave.
I saw something, a darknessleave my body as soon as I
finished writing the last verse.
It was a healing process towrite it and my father's the one

(01:23:03):
that said because I had toldhim I don't know what to do with
what I'm going through, and hesaid, he says Sometimes you got
to praise and worship your wayout of certain circumstances.
You have to say what you don'tbelieve there.
I didn't believe that I waswhole, but I had to say it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Amazing.
And it manifested man, there'sso much power before behind that
song, all of your music.
Man, when you were singingright now, like I can't believe
it, I listened to your musicwith my mom and you know she's
with the lord now.
Um, I was like what would mymom be saying right now?

(01:23:40):
It's just so incredible thatyou know where God takes us for
being faithful for him.
I'm not saying I'm perfect, I'mnot saying that you know I
deserve to even be in thepositions that I find myself,
but I can say that I'vepersevered in certain
circumstances I've beenconsistency and I can see the
fruits of that.
Like you said, sometimes yougot to bleed a little bit,

(01:24:02):
little bit, you gotta go throughthe hurt a little bit.
And right now, your music.
I was just in awe right now,the like, the audio cut out a
little bit, but I was in awebecause I was like I can't
believe.
Um, I'm hearing this worship,this music, this mariachi right
now, and it's been a blessing tomy life and it's been a
blessing to so many people.

(01:24:22):
And I know it's not just awhatever song.
It's a song that has a message,it has meaning, but a story.
It has a story, it's broughthealing and man.
You've been a pioneer, you'vebeen a innovator.
You, you've been somebody thathas brought truth to people, and

(01:24:43):
now you can also tell thepeople like it's not just
religion, it's not just this,it's a relationship.
He's not just my God, he is myfather.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Get to know him.
Get to know him, not about him.
Get to know him.
You're going to want to walkwith him every day.
And for those people that say,but you know, like, aren't you
afraid that because he's somerciful and gracious that it'll
make you want to sin In thisplace, you don't want to be
there, you just want to be withhim.
Because now, if a challengecomes today, I look at it and I

(01:25:18):
say, and he will deliver me likehe delivered me before.
I don't live in fear anymore,I'm not afraid.
Fear makes people move awayfrom God.
Trust is what makes you drawcloser to him.
And so many religious peopleare so afraid.
They're afraid they're going todisappoint God.
Let me tell you, you can'tdisappoint him.
Consequences will come becauseof our behaviors, but the love

(01:25:40):
that he has for us isunconditional.
I could be holy Karina orsinful Karina.
He loves me the same.
Now.
Holy Karina remains in peace.
Sinful Karina has to bear thefruits of the consequences of
fear and rejection of thepresence of God.
But he loves me.
So it's up to me.

(01:26:01):
Where do I want to be?
Here or here, and that removesfear.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Man, I can be here all night, but I know you want
to get to your husband, you wantto know what I've left in the
crock pot, a nice big roast beef.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And I'm hungry.
And it's funny becauseyesterday I posted a reel.
Because I said, babe, breakfastis ready and he comes in.
He says Mexican food again, andI try to make it as American as
I could because he lovesMexican food but we have it all
the time because I love to cookit and I could live only with
that.
So today I said babe, I saidI'm going to have something

(01:26:39):
ready for you.
He goes what is it?
And I go it's not Mexican.
So today I said babe, I saidI'm going to have something
ready for you.
He goes what is it?
I go it's not.
Mexican.
It's a nice pot roast.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
How American does that get?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
You'll have Mexican later.
We'll have tacos tomorrow, forsure.
And I said, and for that smartass remark you made, we're going
to eat tacos on Friday.
Karina what?

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
is some last words you can tell to the people that
have gotten to this point on thepodcast that have been
absolutely blessed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Get to know him, not about him.
Get to know him, feel him.
Call him Papa and you know what, if you're mad at him, he can
take it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
He can take it, you can speak, and he wants you to
keep it real.
You know why?
Because he already knows.
Anyways, he knows, it's in yourheart, just say it out loud.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Amazing.
Well, thank you, karina, forbeing on Elohim Podcast, a
podcast about real life issues,and today we spoke about real
life issues yes absolutely Froma biblical perspective.
It was an absolute honor and aprivilege to be able to share
this platform with you today.
Thank you so much foreverything.
Thanks for having me, thank you.
Thank you, guys.
Please like, share andsubscribe.

(01:27:45):
Stay tuned for more episodeslike this one.
I know this is going to be ablessing to whoever listens to
this.
Thank you very much.
Elohim Podcast.

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