January 25, 2024 • 33 mins
In this heartfelt episode, join Lainie and Estela as they open up about their personal journeys in living with a disability. Delving into the depths of self-reflection, the duo shares an intimate list of insights they wish they could tell their younger selves. From navigating challenges to embracing self-love, this candid conversation unveils valuable lessons, offering a beacon of wisdom for anyone on a similar path. Tune in for a touching exploration of resilience, growth, and the empowering messages that transcend time.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Hi, I'm Lainey and I have CMT.
I'm a neuro-muscular disorderaffecting approximately 2.6
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Hi everyone, it's Lainey.
(01:32):
Welcome to another episode ofEmbrace it.
Hi Estella.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Hey Lainey, Happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Happy New Year.
We're not sure when you guyswill be listening to this, but
this is the first time I'mseeing Estella in 2024.
Yes, you look the same.
You look the same.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You don't look any older.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I feel older.
It's been a hectic few weeks,but I'm very excited to see you
again.
As much as I love the holidays,it's definitely a relief to
have everything out of the waynow, and now we can get back to
our regularly scheduled programand look forward to all the
(02:16):
exciting things we have going onfor 2024.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Absolutely.
With that said, you guys, wehave a special episode today.
We do not have a guest.
We thought it would be greatfor Estella and I to talk about
a subject that is something thatcame up in a conversation
actually before we left for theholidays which is what things
(02:41):
would we tell our younger selvesif we could, about disability?
We thought it was just a reallycool subject and it gives food
for thought.
I compiled my list, Estellacompiled her list.
We came up with 10 things thatwe would tell our younger selves
about disability.
(03:01):
We want to know from you guysif you relate, if you don't
relate, what you would add, whatyou wouldn't add.
But let's just get to it and gothrough some of our things we
would tell our younger self.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let's go Okay, Estella you do it.
I'm starting.
Okay, dear younger Estella, Iwould tell my younger self the
first thing would be that mydisability is going to provide
so many more gifts than thingsthat it's going to take away
(03:35):
from me or experiences.
This, of course, is, I think,hard for people to understand
when they're in the midst of it,or maybe when they're newly
diagnosed, I think, especiallywhen you're younger and there's
so many unknowns and you'rewondering how your future is
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going to unfold.
For me, this is definitely ahindsight.
I think we definitely includedthis in our episode about the 10
gifts of disability For me.
It's given me so manyexperiences, career
opportunities, has brought somany wonderful people into my
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life, including you, lady,because of this disability.
I think that would be one bigthing.
I would tell my younger self.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I like that a lot.
You think you're right.
I think when you're young oreven not so much young, maybe
it's like when you're firstdiagnosed, or maybe you were in
an accident or developed somesort of diagnosed autoimmune
condition, whatever it is,telling someone that, by the way
(04:47):
, if you embrace it, you willfind that there's a lot of gifts
that your disability will bring.
Obviously, we don't want tonecessarily tell someone that,
because you want to hear them.
Also, if someone had said thatto me, I probably would have
kicked their ass.
I'm not happy, I woulddefinitely not have been
(05:08):
validating, but I do get thatand feel that in a lot of ways
myself.
Okay, number two if I could goback and tell my younger self
something about disability, itwould be that, lainey, don't use
your disability as an excuse toavoid things that are hard and
(05:31):
that you don't like, like hikingtrips and gym class and
climbing up little hills.
Don't avoid them, because ifyou can do them, you should do
them.
You shouldn't necessarily.
I think I was so caught up inbeing perfect and not wanting to
(05:52):
do things unless I could dothem well, so I didn't do them
at all.
As a person who is now 53 yearsold, I finally realized that
like that is not growing.
You know, if you don't trythings that are, you know,
cliche as it sounds out of yourcomfort box and you're stopped
and you never grow and a lot ofthings.
(06:14):
I used my disability as anexcuse and you know my mom did
the best she could, but you guyshave all heard this in an
earlier episode that like shedidn't, she got me a Doctor's
note to get out of gym classbecause with Sharcoe Marie-tooth
disease I was definitely pickedlast for teams.
I wasn't coordinated.
That didn't mean at the time Icouldn't do those things.
(06:35):
I could play catch, I couldplay dodgeball, I could do them.
I just wasn't good and I wasembarrassed and I would tell my
younger self, like get overyourself, like you're not gonna
be good at everything.
But if you don't put it outthere then you don't know if
it's something you can do or not.
And you know, the best, bestexample of this as an adult is
(06:57):
that I think a couple years agoI started riding a bike like a
bike, a real bike, not a bikewith training wheels, but like
an actual bike, and so I usedSharcoe Marie-tooth to say I
couldn't ride a bike for allthose years.
Right, I found out I, I can, Iactually and and love it.
And an electric bike is likethe best thing since slice bread
(07:18):
, because you don't have topedal if you don't want to, and
like it really right.
So that's what I would do.
I.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Love that.
Yeah, I definitely agree withthat one.
I think for me there were somethings that I probably could
have tried that you know I justassumed that I couldn't do, and
so you don't know unless you tryit.
And I think it's usually thefear of looking less than or
awkward or clumsy that keeps usfrom trying those things.
(07:47):
So the sooner we can addressthat, I think, the sooner we can
take those risks.
Okay, number three for me.
I would tell younger Stella thatshe's going to be able to
create a career with hercreative skills and and her
(08:08):
experience with disability.
I think for so long I Put thosethings in two separate
categories that I thought that Iwanted to pursue a, wanted to
pursue a career, but that mydisability would always be
Something that I would have toovercome or something that was
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gonna hold me back in my career.
And it wasn't until a few yearsago that I finally was in a
place where I could confidentlysay no, I've been able to
combine both those things tohave even a more fulfilling
career.
So I think that would be myadvice to anybody younger or who
is struggling with finding outwhat they want to do with their
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career or transitioning fromdifferent type of work or or
just starting somethingcompletely new, that your
experience with disability isvaluable and something that you
can build into a career andMonetize off of and make
something really truly uniqueout of.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, and I love that .
I mean, obviously, you know,and many people listening know,
that I started trendable Basedon like just exactly what you
just said.
I combined.
I never occurred to me that,you know, having a social work
degree, loving fashion, beingsomeone who's you know like can
find things this is before theinternet, right?
(09:27):
Like you, who was able to beresourceful, that those things
combined With my disability andhaving shark marriage, who could
really be something that Icould do as a job and love it?
And I started trendable bycombining just the skills I had
and and took fashion and appliedit to.
(09:50):
You know, the hacks that I useevery day to be able to get
dressed or put on makeup andyeah.
So if you're listening andthinking I don't know what I
want to do with my life, thinkabout the strengths you might
have from your disability andlike what you like doing.
Right, it shouldn't be like, oh, I'm just gonna go get a career
like you the Stella decided towork for in organization that
(10:15):
you know helps people withhereditary neuropathy right,
that's.
You made that a job.
People who are listening, ifit's not about work and it's
just volunteering, maybe.
Or, you know, getting involvedin like something where people
you know that, you know you'vebeen through it, been there,
done that that you can offer asa mentor to someone else.
So okay.
(10:35):
So my next one we're on number.
What number are we on?
We're on number four.
Okay, my next one would be thatI definitely Would have started
working out Specifically doingPilates, much, much earlier in
life.
That kind of goes along withthe one I just had said before
(10:56):
about using my disability as anexcuse, because that was an
excuse I used for not exercising.
Oh, there's nothing I can do ina gym.
Like I can't do cardio, like Ican't jump, I can't run, I can't
whatever, I can't do Zumba Well, like I can't go to a gym.
And I found out at like 30years old that was the first
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time I worked out that in factthere are a lot of things.
If I can get over myselfmeaning not think of myself as
like, oh, everyone's staring atyou, which is usually not what's
happening If I can get overmyself and just try, like, the
benefits of exercise, and groupexercise specifically, are
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amazing.
Yes, you can certainly use youriPad or whatever and Google
some Pilates videos, but there'snothing as empowering as being
in a room with other people.
It's motivating, it keeps youon track and you know I am
probably the only one with aphysical disability in most of
the classes I have and I'vetaught them a lot about what
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works and what doesn't work.
With making, what is it calledwhen you change Adaptions?
Yes, making adaptions and stuff.
And you know I would havestarted it much earlier because
I believe my whole heart that iswhat is helping me to stay
strong.
I mean, I have a slowlyprogressive neuromuscular
(12:25):
disease, right, and I don'tthink my feet and my legs and my
like challenges with balanceand walking, honest to God, I
don't think that they've changedsince I've started exercising.
I think my hands, my fingershave gotten worse.
I don't really exercise thoseother than I guess my husband
says I use my hands a lot when Italk, but that's not the same,
(12:50):
right.
I mean, pilates has reallyhelped to develop my core so
that I can use that as asubstitute when the muscles that
are weak aren't working, so Imay be able to use it to
accommodate.
Yeah, that would be my number.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, no, I love that , and I think, especially for
CMT and, I'm sure, for otherconditions, we're told so many
times that there's nothing thatcan be done and, unfortunately,
whether that's healthcareprofessionals or anyone well,
there's no cure.
So there's nothing you can do.
Just go home and I'll see younext year with really, we really
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do need to be our bestadvocates, and exercise not only
is still beneficial physically,but mentally.
There's so many benefits tojust keeping a clear mindset and
decreasing your risk fordepression and all of these
other neurological conditions.
So I love that.
Keep moving.
(13:49):
Number five for me would be Ithink this is more so high
school than anything else.
But don't worry so much aboutfitting in.
I think, of course, it's normal.
All teenagers, for the mostpart, they want to feel like
they fit in.
There's the clicks and I thinkwe have a disability.
(14:11):
For me at least, it was hard toreally integrate into one of
those social groups in schoolbecause I wasn't athletic, I
wasn't on the dance team, Iwasn't on the band.
In the band, you know, I grabbedit to you towards the art and
theater, but I really wasn'tgreat at those either.
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So I didn't really know who mypeople were.
I had friends here and there indifferent groups and who were
part of these, I guess, teamsand sport teams.
But it was hard.
It was hard just not being likeembraced into one of those
groups and always having you orpeople in your group of friends
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that you knew you were alwaysincluded with.
So I would definitely tell myyounger self that that's okay
and you're definitely going toeventually find the people that
you do fit in with.
And fitting in is not all it'spracticed up to be either, and I
learned a lot of things byhaving no choice but to be left
to myself sometimes and sittingon the outs on the sidelines of
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activities, and I think thatgave me more of a work, that
muscle, more of being anobserver and picking up on
things that not necessarilyeverybody was picking up on, or
giving me opportunities to bemore creative and think outside
the box.
So, yeah, don't worry so muchabout fitting in, and I think
that it does apply, though, toadults.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So a lot of adults are very, very you know, yes, I
was the same way.
I had a very challengingchildhood and adolescence and I
gave my mom absolute hell withinsecurity and wanting just to
blend in and fit in and notreally understanding that my
disability doesn't have to be ahindrance, and I worked so hard
(16:05):
to try to keep it, you know,under wraps, so that no one knew
.
And all that time trying to fitin, you know I really could have
like done what teenagers aredoing today, which is they're
taking what could be, you know,back when we were young well,
I'm older than you- Estella butlike taking things like today,
(16:28):
like being different is so muchcooler, like being different and
putting it out there that youdon't necessarily agree or want
to fit in or be exactly likeyour friends and wearing the
same clothes or whatever, youknow it's very much accepted,
like today, and I wish it waslike that for us, but it wasn't
(16:51):
and, you know, can't go back.
But for those adults who stillare trying to fit in you know
which?
There's many.
I have many friends withoutdisabilities that are still
trying to just fit in and findtheir place.
You know what?
How about you have people findyou like.
If you're strong and you areconfident and you are like this
(17:11):
is who I am, take it or like orhate it, like, love me or not,
you know you'll find that yourtribe finds you too, you know,
like those people.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So it's the whole mentality of attract and not
chase, right yeah yeah, exactly,let him.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Let him call or her.
All right, my next one wouldnumber six would be I would have
asked my mom more questionsabout her CMT, her disability,
her Charcomery tooth disease.
My mom passed away it's nowbeen six years, if you can
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believe it, goodness kind ofwhen I started doing all this.
Right, but my mom didn't talkabout it.
She didn't talk about it For mymom I don't think it was shame,
I think it was more just.
She just didn't let herdisability stop her, so she
didn't talk about it.
She didn't talk about it withme and I inherited it.
We never said oh, like how doyou feel?
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I never asked my mom like, howdo you feel about having this?
What you know?
What did you feel like growingup, mom?
Like I would have asked thosequestions if I could go back to
my younger self.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I think that's important, especially with
conditions that are genetic andwithin the family.
So many family members andgenerations have CMT and other
conditions that sometimes wedon't take those opportunities
to really lean on each other andsupport each other and have
those deep conversations andconnect and be vulnerable and
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understand that we're not alonein it at the end of the day,
right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Right, exactly, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay, number seven, I think this kind of falls in
line with your exercise one, butI would have started meditation
and yoga sooner.
Again, very, very similar toyou.
Well, meditation not so much.
It wasn't as big back in theday as it is now, but yoga
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wasn't even on my radar andagain, it was one of those
things that I assumed I couldn'tdo or it wouldn't be beneficial
to me.
But I did start in around theage of 30 as well, and I found
it to be really helpful mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
physically, and I did find, likeyou did, those ways to adapt in
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class and connect and reallystart to reflect on accepting my
body and literally looking inthe mirror in class every day
and stop comparing myself toeverybody else in the class and
how I thought my body shouldlook.
So yoga was definitely a bigturning point for me and I wish
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I started that earlier.
But it's never too late and I'mglad I did.
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Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, I love that.
And you know it is the same butdifferent, right, like the
exercise and physical exerciseof doing the Pilates and aerobic
exercises you know is not onlygood for your body and your
strength but also for your mind,where you know.
And meditation and yoga, I meanI've said forever like I don't
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think I can meditate.
I don't think I can meditate,but anybody can, even someone
like myself who's like go, go,go, go, go go, and isn't so
chill, like Estella, likemeditation can be just walking
and or, or rolling and noticingand paying attention to one
color as you're walking, like Idon't know if you taught me that
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, estella, or someone else, butlike that's like meditation for
dummies kind of thing, whereyou're just, you know, focusing
and when your mind tries startsto go, you know, oh, what am I
going to make for dinner?
And my kids are failinggeometry, whatever.
You go back to the color orwhatever.
So, yeah, a few tools along theway to for that.
(22:30):
And just breathing too, I mean,like we didn't say that, but
breathing is something.
Would learn how to do thatearlier.
You know for sure I neverlearned like breathing is so
helpful, like practice breathing, I know you know, yeah,
especially for the nervoussystem.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
you know CMT is a disease of the nervous system,
so it really calms, helps calm,calm our mind and bodies.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yep, okay, so we're moving right along, all right.
So my next one you know it kindof goes along with what we're
saying, but I definitely wouldhave told my younger self, like
don't stress about the smalllittle things, like don't worry
about all the little things,like do your best to plan and
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you know, and and I'm talking asit relates to disability like,
okay, you can't controleverything, don't sweat what's
going to happen if there's not aramp, or what's going to happen
if you know they, my friends,decide to go jogging and you
can't like, you can't controleverything and you don't know
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what's going to happen.
You just do your best to.
You know, be proactive.
Like you, estella, you wouldcall a restaurant and find out,
you know, is it accessible?
Can I get in?
I, you know, for me, is theregonna be six flights of stairs?
I can't do that, I can do one,but not six.
Like I can't, Like notstressing about those little
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things that in the end youfigure out a way to do or you
don't do, you know?
but like worrying it, justworrying and worrying, just it
makes it worse and Both yourbody and just your emotional
well-being.
Like I would just sweat lessabout the small stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, no, I agree.
I think it's so funny to youmentioned like I would have
called a restaurant to see folksAccessible.
My younger self never wouldhave done that.
My younger self would haveworried my eye.
That didn't.
I always think you would dothat like.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
No, not, you were cuz like.
You grew up in a totallydifferent way, like your parents
you know we're very.
They didn't have disabilitiesthemselves, they don't have
disabilities themselves, andyour sister and you like were
involved with muscular dystrophyand little models like Openly.
Parents were into dancing andencouraged you to do all these
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things Despite having adisability, whereas my mom and
you know and this is not to workon my mom, she's gone, but you
know she did her best like Iavoided this and it kind of
taught me she didn'tintentionally teach me this, but
it did teach me that Having adisability, something's wrong
with you that is bad.
(25:19):
You can't you that.
You should be ashamed.
Your parents didn't raise youlike that, so I'm shocked that
you weren't automatically yeah,an advocate for yourself.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, I don't.
I don't even think I knewreally what an advocate was.
I knew, yes, my parents weregreat.
I knew that Once I was in asituation I would figure it out
or that people would help me.
But I never thought to beproactive as far as
accessibility Until later on.
(25:52):
So I would worry about thoselittle things whenever I was
going somewhere new.
So I think you know whether ornot it's, it's easy to say don't
worry, but I mean it could bejust a phone call to kind of put
your anxiety at ease, to findout whether it is accessible.
I then make a choice dependingon that or make a request
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Depending on what the answer is,instead of worrying and
worrying and worrying for daysor weeks about it.
So I think it goes both ways,but it's definitely something
that I think we both learnedover the years to to be better
at yeah, yeah, okay, are we upto nine?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We are already up to nine.
I know you guys are like, andI'm feeling like I need to
change my nine, even though mynine was good.
I like, you know, as we'retalking, it's like I, my younger
self, was so dumb that I feellike there's so many things.
Please, how much time do wehave?
(26:50):
Oh, my god, we could be herefor hours but truthfully, like I
, I definitely Would have toldmy younger self, I would have
just talked to myself that's mynumber nine.
I would have spoken to myself ina nicer way.
I would have given myself Likea break, I wouldn't have been as
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hard on myself.
I would have learned self-talk,which is really just, you know,
replacing those negativethoughts that we all have.
Everyone has them, whether Ihave, people have disabilities
or not.
You know, there's like thislittle voice that says you suck,
you're horrible, you're ugly,you're fat, you're this, you're
that.
I Would have if I could go back.
I would have replaced thosevoices.
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I would have learned that skillto say wait, am I really fat or
am I just not feeling greatbecause I ate, like you know,
two Reese's and a Snickers barand it doesn't feel good.
I would have given myself moreof a break and talked nicer to
myself.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So that's my number nine, yeah, and it's right there
.
I think you and I share a brainyard because it's right there.
With my number ten, I thinkit's pretty close.
I wrote I would have addressedmy internal ableism through
therapy.
Hmm, I think it's easy to saythat we would have spoken Better
to ourselves, but I don't thinka lot of times we're even
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conscious that we're speaking toourselves in a negative way.
I think it's just so ingrainedin how we see the world and see
ourselves that we don't evenrealize it's something that can
be Retrained or addressed orhealed and we don't even know
where it comes from.
Right.
So I think, having exposure toTherapy and kind of identifying
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that Shame that I did carryaround, even though I had a
great upbringing, there's stillthat level of internal shame
that I had just because I had adisability and the world's Was
so different than the way I wasexperiencing it.
So I think by addressing thatearlier, I probably would have
made Different choices and maybenot tolerated some of the
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things that I tolerated in myyounger years and had more
confident to say, hey, this isnot okay, mm-hmm, yeah, I, I, I
can say no, I can createhealthier boundaries.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I love that.
No, you know, to conclude, youguys, this is a little plug, but
I really think that I did ablog post and since this is the
new year, 2024, obviously noneof us can go back in time and I
don't know if I'd want to.
Even though I'm saying I'd wantto, I don't really want to like
right, I think I can make thechanges now that you know I need
(29:42):
to make and you know, lookingback is sometimes helpful and
what we just discussed is likehelpful, especially if you're a
parent and you want to do thingsdifferent with your child with
disabilities or, you know, maybeyou're still working through
some of those things and canparent yourself better.
But I wrote a post that for thenew year you remember those
(30:06):
books, stella, I don't know,maybe this was my time and not
yours when you got to chooseyour own ending.
It was called an adventurebooks she's your adventure.
And I wrote a blog post that Iactually just republished and
updated.
I'm called choose your ownadventure with the disability
and the point of it really isthat you know there are many
(30:30):
endings Like this doesn't at 53,this is not my ending.
Like I can choose other pathsRight now, this is my path.
But you know what, if I seethat I'm going to the right and
I'm not liking the right, I canjust switch and go to the left,
like, just like those books,like you get to choose how you
(30:51):
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you're not liking how the storyis going like, change the story,
get to new characters, kick outwhoever is, you know, hogging
the scenes, whatever it might be, but you have the power.
We all have the power to, youknow, write our endings, to
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So, with that said, happy newyear to everyone.
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Hi everyone, it's Lainey.
(01:32):
Welcome to another episode ofEmbrace it.
Hi Estella.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Hey Lainey, Happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Happy New Year.
We're not sure when you guyswill be listening to this, but
this is the first time I'mseeing Estella in 2024.
Yes, you look the same.
You look the same.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You don't look any older.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I feel older.
It's been a hectic few weeks,but I'm very excited to see you
again.
As much as I love the holidays,it's definitely a relief to
have everything out of the waynow, and now we can get back to
our regularly scheduled programand look forward to all the
(02:16):
exciting things we have going onfor 2024.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Absolutely.
With that said, you guys, wehave a special episode today.
We do not have a guest.
We thought it would be greatfor Estella and I to talk about
a subject that is something thatcame up in a conversation
actually before we left for theholidays which is what things
(02:41):
would we tell our younger selvesif we could, about disability?
We thought it was just a reallycool subject and it gives food
for thought.
I compiled my list, Estellacompiled her list.
We came up with 10 things thatwe would tell our younger selves
about disability.
(03:01):
We want to know from you guysif you relate, if you don't
relate, what you would add, whatyou wouldn't add.
But let's just get to it and gothrough some of our things we
would tell our younger self.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let's go Okay, Estella you do it.
I'm starting.
Okay, dear younger Estella, Iwould tell my younger self the
first thing would be that mydisability is going to provide
so many more gifts than thingsthat it's going to take away
(03:35):
from me or experiences.
This, of course, is, I think,hard for people to understand
when they're in the midst of it,or maybe when they're newly
diagnosed, I think, especiallywhen you're younger and there's
so many unknowns and you'rewondering how your future is
(03:55):
going to unfold.
For me, this is definitely ahindsight.
I think we definitely includedthis in our episode about the 10
gifts of disability For me.
It's given me so manyexperiences, career
opportunities, has brought somany wonderful people into my
(04:16):
life, including you, lady,because of this disability.
I think that would be one bigthing.
I would tell my younger self.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I like that a lot.
You think you're right.
I think when you're young oreven not so much young, maybe
it's like when you're firstdiagnosed, or maybe you were in
an accident or developed somesort of diagnosed autoimmune
condition, whatever it is,telling someone that, by the way
(04:47):
, if you embrace it, you willfind that there's a lot of gifts
that your disability will bring.
Obviously, we don't want tonecessarily tell someone that,
because you want to hear them.
Also, if someone had said thatto me, I probably would have
kicked their ass.
I'm not happy, I woulddefinitely not have been
(05:08):
validating, but I do get thatand feel that in a lot of ways
myself.
Okay, number two if I could goback and tell my younger self
something about disability, itwould be that, lainey, don't use
your disability as an excuse toavoid things that are hard and
(05:31):
that you don't like, like hikingtrips and gym class and
climbing up little hills.
Don't avoid them, because ifyou can do them, you should do
them.
You shouldn't necessarily.
I think I was so caught up inbeing perfect and not wanting to
(05:52):
do things unless I could dothem well, so I didn't do them
at all.
As a person who is now 53 yearsold, I finally realized that
like that is not growing.
You know, if you don't trythings that are, you know,
cliche as it sounds out of yourcomfort box and you're stopped
and you never grow and a lot ofthings.
(06:14):
I used my disability as anexcuse and you know my mom did
the best she could, but you guyshave all heard this in an
earlier episode that like shedidn't, she got me a Doctor's
note to get out of gym classbecause with Sharcoe Marie-tooth
disease I was definitely pickedlast for teams.
I wasn't coordinated.
That didn't mean at the time Icouldn't do those things.
(06:35):
I could play catch, I couldplay dodgeball, I could do them.
I just wasn't good and I wasembarrassed and I would tell my
younger self, like get overyourself, like you're not gonna
be good at everything.
But if you don't put it outthere then you don't know if
it's something you can do or not.
And you know, the best, bestexample of this as an adult is
(06:57):
that I think a couple years agoI started riding a bike like a
bike, a real bike, not a bikewith training wheels, but like
an actual bike, and so I usedSharcoe Marie-tooth to say I
couldn't ride a bike for allthose years.
Right, I found out I, I can, Iactually and and love it.
And an electric bike is likethe best thing since slice bread
(07:18):
, because you don't have topedal if you don't want to, and
like it really right.
So that's what I would do.
I.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Love that.
Yeah, I definitely agree withthat one.
I think for me there were somethings that I probably could
have tried that you know I justassumed that I couldn't do, and
so you don't know unless you tryit.
And I think it's usually thefear of looking less than or
awkward or clumsy that keeps usfrom trying those things.
(07:47):
So the sooner we can addressthat, I think, the sooner we can
take those risks.
Okay, number three for me.
I would tell younger Stella thatshe's going to be able to
create a career with hercreative skills and and her
(08:08):
experience with disability.
I think for so long I Put thosethings in two separate
categories that I thought that Iwanted to pursue a, wanted to
pursue a career, but that mydisability would always be
Something that I would have toovercome or something that was
(08:28):
gonna hold me back in my career.
And it wasn't until a few yearsago that I finally was in a
place where I could confidentlysay no, I've been able to
combine both those things tohave even a more fulfilling
career.
So I think that would be myadvice to anybody younger or who
is struggling with finding outwhat they want to do with their
(08:49):
career or transitioning fromdifferent type of work or or
just starting somethingcompletely new, that your
experience with disability isvaluable and something that you
can build into a career andMonetize off of and make
something really truly uniqueout of.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, and I love that .
I mean, obviously, you know,and many people listening know,
that I started trendable Basedon like just exactly what you
just said.
I combined.
I never occurred to me that,you know, having a social work
degree, loving fashion, beingsomeone who's you know like can
find things this is before theinternet, right?
(09:27):
Like you, who was able to beresourceful, that those things
combined With my disability andhaving shark marriage, who could
really be something that Icould do as a job and love it?
And I started trendable bycombining just the skills I had
and and took fashion and appliedit to.
(09:50):
You know, the hacks that I useevery day to be able to get
dressed or put on makeup andyeah.
So if you're listening andthinking I don't know what I
want to do with my life, thinkabout the strengths you might
have from your disability andlike what you like doing.
Right, it shouldn't be like, oh, I'm just gonna go get a career
like you the Stella decided towork for in organization that
(10:15):
you know helps people withhereditary neuropathy right,
that's.
You made that a job.
People who are listening, ifit's not about work and it's
just volunteering, maybe.
Or, you know, getting involvedin like something where people
you know that, you know you'vebeen through it, been there,
done that that you can offer asa mentor to someone else.
So okay.
(10:35):
So my next one we're on number.
What number are we on?
We're on number four.
Okay, my next one would be thatI definitely Would have started
working out Specifically doingPilates, much, much earlier in
life.
That kind of goes along withthe one I just had said before
(10:56):
about using my disability as anexcuse, because that was an
excuse I used for not exercising.
Oh, there's nothing I can do ina gym.
Like I can't do cardio, like Ican't jump, I can't run, I can't
whatever, I can't do Zumba Well, like I can't go to a gym.
And I found out at like 30years old that was the first
(11:18):
time I worked out that in factthere are a lot of things.
If I can get over myselfmeaning not think of myself as
like, oh, everyone's staring atyou, which is usually not what's
happening If I can get overmyself and just try, like, the
benefits of exercise, and groupexercise specifically, are
(11:42):
amazing.
Yes, you can certainly use youriPad or whatever and Google
some Pilates videos, but there'snothing as empowering as being
in a room with other people.
It's motivating, it keeps youon track and you know I am
probably the only one with aphysical disability in most of
the classes I have and I'vetaught them a lot about what
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works and what doesn't work.
With making, what is it calledwhen you change Adaptions?
Yes, making adaptions and stuff.
And you know I would havestarted it much earlier because
I believe my whole heart that iswhat is helping me to stay
strong.
I mean, I have a slowlyprogressive neuromuscular
(12:25):
disease, right, and I don'tthink my feet and my legs and my
like challenges with balanceand walking, honest to God, I
don't think that they've changedsince I've started exercising.
I think my hands, my fingershave gotten worse.
I don't really exercise thoseother than I guess my husband
says I use my hands a lot when Italk, but that's not the same,
(12:50):
right.
I mean, pilates has reallyhelped to develop my core so
that I can use that as asubstitute when the muscles that
are weak aren't working, so Imay be able to use it to
accommodate.
Yeah, that would be my number.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, no, I love that , and I think, especially for
CMT and, I'm sure, for otherconditions, we're told so many
times that there's nothing thatcan be done and, unfortunately,
whether that's healthcareprofessionals or anyone well,
there's no cure.
So there's nothing you can do.
Just go home and I'll see younext year with really, we really
(13:28):
do need to be our bestadvocates, and exercise not only
is still beneficial physically,but mentally.
There's so many benefits tojust keeping a clear mindset and
decreasing your risk fordepression and all of these
other neurological conditions.
So I love that.
Keep moving.
(13:49):
Number five for me would be Ithink this is more so high
school than anything else.
But don't worry so much aboutfitting in.
I think, of course, it's normal.
All teenagers, for the mostpart, they want to feel like
they fit in.
There's the clicks and I thinkwe have a disability.
(14:11):
For me at least, it was hard toreally integrate into one of
those social groups in schoolbecause I wasn't athletic, I
wasn't on the dance team, Iwasn't on the band.
In the band, you know, I grabbedit to you towards the art and
theater, but I really wasn'tgreat at those either.
(14:33):
So I didn't really know who mypeople were.
I had friends here and there indifferent groups and who were
part of these, I guess, teamsand sport teams.
But it was hard.
It was hard just not being likeembraced into one of those
groups and always having you orpeople in your group of friends
(14:53):
that you knew you were alwaysincluded with.
So I would definitely tell myyounger self that that's okay
and you're definitely going toeventually find the people that
you do fit in with.
And fitting in is not all it'spracticed up to be either, and I
learned a lot of things byhaving no choice but to be left
to myself sometimes and sittingon the outs on the sidelines of
(15:18):
activities, and I think thatgave me more of a work, that
muscle, more of being anobserver and picking up on
things that not necessarilyeverybody was picking up on, or
giving me opportunities to bemore creative and think outside
the box.
So, yeah, don't worry so muchabout fitting in, and I think
that it does apply, though, toadults.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So a lot of adults are very, very you know, yes, I
was the same way.
I had a very challengingchildhood and adolescence and I
gave my mom absolute hell withinsecurity and wanting just to
blend in and fit in and notreally understanding that my
disability doesn't have to be ahindrance, and I worked so hard
(16:05):
to try to keep it, you know,under wraps, so that no one knew
.
And all that time trying to fitin, you know I really could have
like done what teenagers aredoing today, which is they're
taking what could be, you know,back when we were young well,
I'm older than you- Estella butlike taking things like today,
(16:28):
like being different is so muchcooler, like being different and
putting it out there that youdon't necessarily agree or want
to fit in or be exactly likeyour friends and wearing the
same clothes or whatever, youknow it's very much accepted,
like today, and I wish it waslike that for us, but it wasn't
(16:51):
and, you know, can't go back.
But for those adults who stillare trying to fit in you know
which?
There's many.
I have many friends withoutdisabilities that are still
trying to just fit in and findtheir place.
You know what?
How about you have people findyou like.
If you're strong and you areconfident and you are like this
(17:11):
is who I am, take it or like orhate it, like, love me or not,
you know you'll find that yourtribe finds you too, you know,
like those people.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So it's the whole mentality of attract and not
chase, right yeah yeah, exactly,let him.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Let him call or her.
All right, my next one wouldnumber six would be I would have
asked my mom more questionsabout her CMT, her disability,
her Charcomery tooth disease.
My mom passed away it's nowbeen six years, if you can
(17:49):
believe it, goodness kind ofwhen I started doing all this.
Right, but my mom didn't talkabout it.
She didn't talk about it For mymom I don't think it was shame,
I think it was more just.
She just didn't let herdisability stop her, so she
didn't talk about it.
She didn't talk about it withme and I inherited it.
We never said oh, like how doyou feel?
(18:12):
I never asked my mom like, howdo you feel about having this?
What you know?
What did you feel like growingup, mom?
Like I would have asked thosequestions if I could go back to
my younger self.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I think that's important, especially with
conditions that are genetic andwithin the family.
So many family members andgenerations have CMT and other
conditions that sometimes wedon't take those opportunities
to really lean on each other andsupport each other and have
those deep conversations andconnect and be vulnerable and
(18:48):
understand that we're not alonein it at the end of the day,
right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Right, exactly, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay, number seven, I think this kind of falls in
line with your exercise one, butI would have started meditation
and yoga sooner.
Again, very, very similar toyou.
Well, meditation not so much.
It wasn't as big back in theday as it is now, but yoga
(19:16):
wasn't even on my radar andagain, it was one of those
things that I assumed I couldn'tdo or it wouldn't be beneficial
to me.
But I did start in around theage of 30 as well, and I found
it to be really helpful mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
physically, and I did find, likeyou did, those ways to adapt in
(19:38):
class and connect and reallystart to reflect on accepting my
body and literally looking inthe mirror in class every day
and stop comparing myself toeverybody else in the class and
how I thought my body shouldlook.
So yoga was definitely a bigturning point for me and I wish
(20:00):
I started that earlier.
But it's never too late and I'mglad I did.
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Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, I love that.
And you know it is the same butdifferent, right, like the
exercise and physical exerciseof doing the Pilates and aerobic
exercises you know is not onlygood for your body and your
strength but also for your mind,where you know.
And meditation and yoga, I meanI've said forever like I don't
(21:47):
think I can meditate.
I don't think I can meditate,but anybody can, even someone
like myself who's like go, go,go, go, go go, and isn't so
chill, like Estella, likemeditation can be just walking
and or, or rolling and noticingand paying attention to one
color as you're walking, like Idon't know if you taught me that
(22:08):
, estella, or someone else, butlike that's like meditation for
dummies kind of thing, whereyou're just, you know, focusing
and when your mind tries startsto go, you know, oh, what am I
going to make for dinner?
And my kids are failinggeometry, whatever.
You go back to the color orwhatever.
So, yeah, a few tools along theway to for that.
(22:30):
And just breathing too, I mean,like we didn't say that, but
breathing is something.
Would learn how to do thatearlier.
You know for sure I neverlearned like breathing is so
helpful, like practice breathing, I know you know, yeah,
especially for the nervoussystem.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
you know CMT is a disease of the nervous system,
so it really calms, helps calm,calm our mind and bodies.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yep, okay, so we're moving right along, all right.
So my next one you know it kindof goes along with what we're
saying, but I definitely wouldhave told my younger self, like
don't stress about the smalllittle things, like don't worry
about all the little things,like do your best to plan and
(23:18):
you know, and and I'm talking asit relates to disability like,
okay, you can't controleverything, don't sweat what's
going to happen if there's not aramp, or what's going to happen
if you know they, my friends,decide to go jogging and you
can't like, you can't controleverything and you don't know
(23:40):
what's going to happen.
You just do your best to.
You know, be proactive.
Like you, estella, you wouldcall a restaurant and find out,
you know, is it accessible?
Can I get in?
I, you know, for me, is theregonna be six flights of stairs?
I can't do that, I can do one,but not six.
Like I can't, Like notstressing about those little
(24:02):
things that in the end youfigure out a way to do or you
don't do, you know?
but like worrying it, justworrying and worrying, just it
makes it worse and Both yourbody and just your emotional
well-being.
Like I would just sweat lessabout the small stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, no, I agree.
I think it's so funny to youmentioned like I would have
called a restaurant to see folksAccessible.
My younger self never wouldhave done that.
My younger self would haveworried my eye.
That didn't.
I always think you would dothat like.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
No, not, you were cuz like.
You grew up in a totallydifferent way, like your parents
you know we're very.
They didn't have disabilitiesthemselves, they don't have
disabilities themselves, andyour sister and you like were
involved with muscular dystrophyand little models like Openly.
Parents were into dancing andencouraged you to do all these
(24:58):
things Despite having adisability, whereas my mom and
you know and this is not to workon my mom, she's gone, but you
know she did her best like Iavoided this and it kind of
taught me she didn'tintentionally teach me this, but
it did teach me that Having adisability, something's wrong
with you that is bad.
(25:19):
You can't you that.
You should be ashamed.
Your parents didn't raise youlike that, so I'm shocked that
you weren't automatically yeah,an advocate for yourself.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Well, I don't.
I don't even think I knewreally what an advocate was.
I knew, yes, my parents weregreat.
I knew that Once I was in asituation I would figure it out
or that people would help me.
But I never thought to beproactive as far as
accessibility Until later on.
(25:52):
So I would worry about thoselittle things whenever I was
going somewhere new.
So I think you know whether ornot it's, it's easy to say don't
worry, but I mean it could bejust a phone call to kind of put
your anxiety at ease, to findout whether it is accessible.
I then make a choice dependingon that or make a request
(26:13):
Depending on what the answer is,instead of worrying and
worrying and worrying for daysor weeks about it.
So I think it goes both ways,but it's definitely something
that I think we both learnedover the years to to be better
at yeah, yeah, okay, are we upto nine?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We are already up to nine.
I know you guys are like, andI'm feeling like I need to
change my nine, even though mynine was good.
I like, you know, as we'retalking, it's like I, my younger
self, was so dumb that I feellike there's so many things.
Please, how much time do wehave?
(26:50):
Oh, my god, we could be herefor hours but truthfully, like I
, I definitely Would have toldmy younger self, I would have
just talked to myself that's mynumber nine.
I would have spoken to myself ina nicer way.
I would have given myself Likea break, I wouldn't have been as
(27:14):
hard on myself.
I would have learned self-talk,which is really just, you know,
replacing those negativethoughts that we all have.
Everyone has them, whether Ihave, people have disabilities
or not.
You know, there's like thislittle voice that says you suck,
you're horrible, you're ugly,you're fat, you're this, you're
that.
I Would have if I could go back.
I would have replaced thosevoices.
(27:36):
I would have learned that skillto say wait, am I really fat or
am I just not feeling greatbecause I ate, like you know,
two Reese's and a Snickers barand it doesn't feel good.
I would have given myself moreof a break and talked nicer to
myself.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
So that's my number nine, yeah, and it's right there
.
I think you and I share a brainyard because it's right there.
With my number ten, I thinkit's pretty close.
I wrote I would have addressedmy internal ableism through
therapy.
Hmm, I think it's easy to saythat we would have spoken Better
to ourselves, but I don't thinka lot of times we're even
(28:17):
conscious that we're speaking toourselves in a negative way.
I think it's just so ingrainedin how we see the world and see
ourselves that we don't evenrealize it's something that can
be Retrained or addressed orhealed and we don't even know
where it comes from.
Right.
So I think, having exposure toTherapy and kind of identifying
(28:43):
that Shame that I did carryaround, even though I had a
great upbringing, there's stillthat level of internal shame
that I had just because I had adisability and the world's Was
so different than the way I wasexperiencing it.
So I think by addressing thatearlier, I probably would have
made Different choices and maybenot tolerated some of the
(29:07):
things that I tolerated in myyounger years and had more
confident to say, hey, this isnot okay, mm-hmm, yeah, I, I, I
can say no, I can createhealthier boundaries.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, I love that.
No, you know, to conclude, youguys, this is a little plug, but
I really think that I did ablog post and since this is the
new year, 2024, obviously noneof us can go back in time and I
don't know if I'd want to.
Even though I'm saying I'd wantto, I don't really want to like
right, I think I can make thechanges now that you know I need
(29:42):
to make and you know, lookingback is sometimes helpful and
what we just discussed is likehelpful, especially if you're a
parent and you want to do thingsdifferent with your child with
disabilities or, you know, maybeyou're still working through
some of those things and canparent yourself better.
But I wrote a post that for thenew year you remember those
(30:06):
books, stella, I don't know,maybe this was my time and not
yours when you got to chooseyour own ending.
It was called an adventurebooks she's your adventure.
And I wrote a blog post that Iactually just republished and
updated.
I'm called choose your ownadventure with the disability
and the point of it really isthat you know there are many
(30:30):
endings Like this doesn't at 53,this is not my ending.
Like I can choose other pathsRight now, this is my path.
But you know what, if I seethat I'm going to the right and
I'm not liking the right, I canjust switch and go to the left,
like, just like those books,like you get to choose how you
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want to live and how you wantyour story to unfold and if
you're not liking how the storyis going like, change the story,
get to new characters, kick outwhoever is, you know, hogging
the scenes, whatever it might be, but you have the power.
We all have the power to, youknow, write our endings, to
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write our stories.
So, with that said, happy newyear to everyone.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
We wish you new beginnings.
We hope some of these you knowtakeaways really resonate with
you.
We hope they bring value to youand maybe there's something
that you can take to yourcurrent self from future self.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
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Let's tell people about it.
So, if you don't mind, we don'tcharge for these things.
We love doing it, we love doingthis podcast, but our payback
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so always appreciated.
Thank you all and goodbye.
Until next time, let's embraceit.
Bye, guys, take care.
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