Sports Bets & Bidness

BA returns to help Dub talk everything happening in the world of sports gambling and the ever evoling world of NIL among other things.  Tune In & Turn Up

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Welcome to the Embrace to Turn UpPodcast. Cultural commentary from two guys who
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We'll get to that next week.This week joining me, I got
the homie Ba because we talking money. And if I'm talking money, there's
nobody else in my phone that I'mgonna call other than this man. Right
here, Ba, what's popping?My brother Dub Dub always a pleasure.
And I don't have to talk toGraps, even though I love talking Tom

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Graps. But anytime we can talkmoney, man, you know I'm in
the building. Man, But it'sBa Dbic. If you listen to.
If you listen to this, youlisten to let me book the territory.
It is a prerequisite aka black irsaka for this evening b a Rosenhouse because
I am with the dub strassmore.We all here tag team back again,

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ready to give y'all all the insidersinfo on what is happening in sports and
business and how y'all should be knowingwhat's going on. So y'all can probably
try to make a buck off ofthis one day. So yeah, man,
appreciate you man, absolutely. Man, that's right when I said money,
were talking sports money because in thespan of the last couple of years,

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money has come into sports in away that I don't think we've ever
seen before. It probably never willagain unless again something crazy happens. But
Bah, I want to start righthere with gambling in sports. Now.
I'm pretty sure last time you wereon we talked about this a little bit,

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or it might have been off MICor in the group chat. But
this is another doubles right moment,sports gambling, guys, is coming to
your television. The NBA is lookingat putting sports gambling live on their direct
packages that you purchased from them.To NBA TV. So for example,

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you can look at a game andyou can bet the under or the over
right there on the app, andyou'll have live odds changing as the game
goes on. BA is is thisa good decision? Is this a bad
decision? Is this money? It'sdefinitely money, that's no question. It's

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all money, baby if in thebuilding. But anyways, it's coming.
When it comes to this, uh, I mean, I don't see.
I think some players, some peoplewill try to pull the morality card,
but we're talking gambling. Keep thatshit outside like this has like the separation
the church and state state discussion,Like this is gambling. It's legal.

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It's not like we're talking about somethingthat isn't been put in place to happen
already. So outside of that,when it comes to watching your sports,
this is I think it enhances theexperience, Like for people that gamble,
people that don't gamble, just confusesthem because they already are starting to flirt
with this kind of stuff in sports, Like and I'm watching the Calves earlier

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today at my in law's house,and you can see the difference, like
the line change as the game's happening, and people know it right there.
Now you can't bet like ESPN istalking, but the seeds are being planted
already as we speak to your pointof this discussion. So yeah, and
then and then it creates a discussionwhere people who don't know gambling because they

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think it has something to do withthe score. I had some people think
that, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not like telling you, likedoing the math for you between the
difference of the score. They're justtelling you the line, like if it's
under one plus two whatever it is, And as the game flows, that
line changes, they're like, oh, Brian, you're a degenerate gambler.

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Sh don't worry about that anyways.Like a motherfucker. I just know math
exactly. I do what I talkabout, buddy all day. Man,
what do you what do you wantfrom me? Of course I know understand
how sports betting would work to acertain degree. Now I no shark,
but I know how it works,like come on now, but yeah,
yeah, yeah, no, Likeit's I think it's gonna be interesting.

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I think the NBA on their app, this is going to be a test
study to see one like how theapp works, you know, just technology
wise and too how much money they'regonna make, because if the NBA reports
that they pull in a couple ofhundred million, I promise you this will
be on your NFL telecast. Ohyeah, if it ain't already being discussed,

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because it'll be on your preseason games. Oh yeah, make them bitch.
Is entertaining outside of just to glorifiedpractices those I hate preseason any man?
Your team is undefeated in the preseason. Defeated in the season, Oh
god, yeah you did? Yeah, okay, you can bring it up.
I'm about to say that you hadto bring that up. But y'all
have the same fate too, Sosame fate, same fate. Defeated the

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preseason our year, the best practiceteam ever. Oh little. It happened
to y'all because I had caught oneof your preseason games. I was like,
bro's pretty good. What's the recordin the preseason? Oh? Undefeated?
Yeah? Hugh Jackson, folks,the only games he won here in

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the preseason, not even kep.But yeah, man. But but when
it comes to this sports bet,and I want to ask you this,
since ESPN is looking, is theyare committed to this? Are they gonna
have their own are gonna be thisgonna be available through the ESPN app?
Are they gonna partner I'm not gonnapartner up with somebody else, right,
So the way of working right nowwith NBA thing they're doing it. The

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NBA is doing it directly themselves.Ah okay, And the NBA is gonna
grab pull in a partner to doit. I'm not sure which one of
the sportsbooks they're gonna align with.I think that's gonna be a very interesting
question too, because a few oftheir owners own casinos, So I'm sure
do I like a conflict of interestto me? But oh yeah, it

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definitely is. And I mean,and knowing what I know about conflicts of
interest, they're only a conflict ifyou don't disclose it. So I'll just
leave it at that if there's adisclosure of it, saying hey, this
could be happening or is happening asfar as like these two businesses kind of
laying not in bed with each other, but kind of next to each other,

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money falling out of crevices into othercrevices that may align with other businesses.
So yeah, man, Well toanswer your question, So ESPN's partnership
is through pen Gaming. Pen Gaming, that's Michigan. Yeah, they they
have bought Barstool and when they soldit back, part of the reason they

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were selling it back was to getin the bed of the ESPN. So
now all the Barstool sports books aregonna if they haven't already, they're gonna
turn to an ESPN book. Sothat Yeah, he bought Barstool back for
dollar I know, I see whyhe bought it back now that mother anyways,
smart man. So like when ESPNlaunches this, because guys, we're

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not talking theoreticals anymore, this isa wedind statement. When this happens,
ESPN is gonna go through pen Gaming. Now, what I'm wondering is,
are they gonna integrate pen gaming intotheir their own app or are they gonna
launch an ESPN bad app that youjust log into, you know, with
your ESPN credentials and you watch thegame. And you bet They're to kind

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of separate it from those who justwant to watch their sports or watch Steven,
they argue, versus those who justlike I need to gamble, brother,
I need over runners right now,need my parlay the parlay kind I
bet a dollar Rother make this nextshot, so that and that's one of
my big questions. I kind ofwonder, like, are they gonna get

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into the micro pays, like thethe micro batty, because you know,
when you're running an after your phone, you can micropay to get some coins,
mic crepeta, do this, blahblah blah. Are they gonna like
have it pop up on your screenbet a dollar to win a dollar fifty

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that. I don't know Jared Allenwill get the next rebound. I mean
that I could see it, notinitially, but at some point in time
as technology continues to improve. CauseI heard I had this smart brother really
kind of opened my eyes up ina client conversation at work. Its client

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I just onboarded. We were talkingabout technology ali enough and this gentleman was
a retired art teacher of all things, and this was really told me like
this guy knows this stuff. Wewere talking about six G, right,
so he said, these cars won'thave the ability to start really driving on
their own until six G is created. And I was like, that's crazy

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that you even say that, andhe said, well, six G is
like the key for like everything kindof changing into what we've seen growing up
around technology and stuff. So thereason I bring that up not rambling,
but the fact that that technology islike there to be right at our grasp,

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if not already grasped under on thelow, and they've just been brought
out to public yet, like holographictelevision and stuff like that. That's why
I bring that up, Like hologramsand stuff like that, that's gonna be
how we watch TV soon. LikeI'm not even capping there. Think about
how crazy our TVs are now andthe technology that we like we are watching

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it through isn't even able to reallymaximize like a four K TV the way
it should be yet. So oncethat catches up with itself, that's when
you're gonna start to see these moreinteractive things happening on your television, like
kind of like how when you goto the hotel and you can like like
this all this interactive stuff that brownlike not just how it used to be

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where you get the little interactive lobbystuff. Now you can. You got
Netflix, you got Hulu to thatpoint, all your streaming services. If
you brought your game system, it'sready to swoop up. You don't got
to go in the back of theTV and do any weirdness anymore and TV
because hotel TVs are weird for videogame system shout out to those that know.
You know you don't, but yeah, it's right there, and that's

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gonna be a big enticement for peopleto want to get into it gamble.
It's gonna create a not a lotof new gamblers as well. I don't
know if we've even thought about thatyet because of the convenience of it all.
Oh no, that's something I've thoughtabout. Just I thought about it
more of like as far as theaddiction thing goes, like because I mean,

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what we're seeing in like this newergeneration and guys, I'm gonna get
a little off topic here, butjust just following the newer generation, the
levels that they have of substance abuseand alcohol abuse are like the lowest they've
been in decades. But they're tradingthat in for being addicted to their screens

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and addicted to like these games,especially these mobile games. Were like you
know, they'll spend the money tomicropay and do things like that, and
like, oh yeah, and yousee a lot of people like they're betting
a lot of money, not alot of money, but they're betting here
and there, here and there,here and there on a lot of parlays,

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because I mean you can you spenda dollar on DraftKings and you can
do like forty five different parlays.Yep. I think that's what you're gonna
start seeing, is you're going tosee a lot more people really addicted to
I mean truthfully, they're establishing theirgoal of getting people back to the TV.
There you go, Absolutely that istheir goal. I meant the addiction

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and like it is what it is. But again they don't care. No,
they're not here. They're not.I mean they've made it obvious like
they are not. Like capitalism isnot set up for our safety and health
so to speak. We were talkingoff Mike about it earlier around just how

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like if you are millennial in oneven the boomers, because they were kind
of like the real like kind ofpilot period of that, Like we were
averatar. We are products of thiscountry, we all are. Look at
how we all move and how wethink. And with that being said,
when it comes to getting us backin front of the TV, like nothing

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easier than something that's already tied intosomething we're already low key addicted to already,
which is our phones. And tothe point of, like you said,
the people are addicted less to substancesthese days because it's so much easier
to find what a substance gives youthrough what a dopamine head of a notification
on ig or somebody looking at somethingwhat it does for you, and you

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just mindlessly seek that out all day. Like that's the addiction thing ain't going
away in this country. And tothat point, sorry to get us back
off of that topic. This ain'tgonna help it, but they don't care
to that. Sports going to becomeslot machines, Oh yeah, man,
And it's crazy study slot machines.You know they are designed to give you

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dopaminias. Yeah man, it's thealgorithms. And that's to the point of
what you said with the mobile gamesand the little micro pace stuff is they
let you win on your own forso long, and then the game is
set up the AI, the algorithmin it is set up to be like,
no, dog, you're not goingto pass this level until you put
your debit card information in and startpaying to play this game, or just

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stop playing it and then let melet me throw something at you, let
me and you know a guys,if you use this, I want my
check. Can you imagine you're watchingthe game on Sunday right, the bet
nap is there. You can beton the line or not on the side.
It has your fantasy football team andtheir stats. Oh yeah, for

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your ESPN whoever buys Yahoo next,Yeah, because those are the big players
in that and it might get peopleinto fantasy football. Then these casinos might
get tied into fantasy football. Boom. That's wild boom. And now now
they got you captive watching your televisionagain versus watching your fantasy football stats because

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it's right there on your television.Shoot, you see that at NFL stadium.
Now when you go to a footballgame, they got your top fantasy
performers of the day. Everybody checkthey fall. I know when I go
to watch my Browns and I seethat, I'm like, because I don't
pull my phone out for real whenI be a games, I'm trying to
take in the experience. Yeah,and I'm like, oh shit, let
me see what my fantasy team's doing. Because I'm at an actual football game.

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My fantasy team's in flames. BecauseI've been in the COMMUNI lat for
four hours as it's been going upand smoke. So yeah, man,
to that point, it's crazy.And the casinos are gonna blow up too.
It's gonna speak to just more casinosas well, because they're kind of
spread out right now in the US. I'd say, I know, we
get a lot of listeners shout outto the moon by Hive that are in

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the US when it comes to casinos. But when it it's gonna those those
they're gonna finally have the means totake this across the country. Now,
it's gonna be hard, and youknow, your Bible Belt areas and stuff
where this type of stuff is morefrowned upon because it's one of the casinos
down there. Oh really, likeall throughout like like your Kansas, your

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Missouri, your Oklahoma's like your traditionalBible Belt states. That's that's going Downahoma
has casinos, and I'm pretty sureKansas does too. And I know they
have a lot of Native American casinelike reservation casinos as well and towards those
areas as well. And I don'tknow too much about how those casinos work.
I've never visited once, so Ican't speak on it. But casinos

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in Oklahoma. Just google there.So what that said, Man, that's
gonna just blow up. And it'sjust three in Kansas City. That's wild.
So you know someplace with sports bettingisn't legal? You said, is
it's not to where California? Becausethey probably figuring Nevada is a quick trip

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away, like go get your fixeddown two hours away wherever you're coming from,
it's not that far away in California. I thought that was interesting when
I found that out. Yeah,I mean it is interesting. But it's
the equivalent of why Ohio held outfor so long because they told us to
go to Michigan or go to Pennsylvaniaor Indiana. Like it's literally West Virginia.

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Every single state around us pretty muchhad gambling before us. We are
always late to the party, though, But I guess who is the day
that would tell you that the Theyjust the people that didn't want gambling in
the state. It's it's the politicians, and it's the people that want to
own these casinos if they don't.If they it's like it's like making a

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good sandwich. If it don't mixwell, if it don't make well,
they're not going to play ball.It's to the point of why and this
is another subject and then we'll getback on the sports business. But why
marijuana took so long to become recreationallylegal in Ohio, Well, because we
all a lot of the marijuana thingsstill has to do with like coded racism.

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To that point, Yes, Ohiotried to do it, like in
twenty sixteen, but the way theydid it when it was all wrong because
it was like a monopoly kind ofsetup. They weren't trying. Yeah,
it wasn't. It wasn't trying tobe smart about it to that point.
But to your point, yeah,there is coded racism within that, because

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you know, to that same point, I remember when the casinos were on
the ballot, those the same argumentpoints of crime blah blah blah, and
all I heard was racism. Itwas like when Batman was talking in that
movie The Element. I was like, you needs, don't you just say

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niggas? You mean they called itthe Element? That's shit, darkest fuck,
that's so wrong. And when theywas talking the same way about that
ballot and I was like, wait, why aren't there casinos here? But
that's weird. It don't make nosense, man, Like it's but the
gamble is so crazy now, likeit's so fruitful. You got players risking

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it all like, or at leastallegedly. Let me ask you this question,
BA, before a couple of weeksago, did you know do you
know that Michael Porter Junior had abrother in the NBA? No? I
didn't, No, no at all? If so, all right, I'm
gonna put you. I put youin a situation here. Ba. You

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work for DraftKings. Your job isto track betting irregularities. Mm hmm.
You see that someone just put onehundred thousand dollars on the Johntay Porter unders.
Are you flagging that immediately or what? Oh? I think if I'm

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looking at a regulars, I considerthat in a regular unless somebody just became
a millionaire and they really got astrong like bench player averaged two point seven
points a game, and they wentthe under. You said on a hundred,
and somebody's putting a hundred thousand onthe under. I mean they know
that kid's really gonna not play orbe terrible like, so you're giving it

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a little bit of beout here,all right? I love Bill, I
have to because I was put onethousand dollars on his unders. Okay,
yeah, that's a red flat.Okay, that's a red flag because one
guy. Yeah, that's just somebodybeing funny and people got money like that
where they can try to come updo stupid shit with their money. All
the facts. That's how heroes aremade and also legends are born and all

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that fun stuff. But also idiotsexist too. It's from that type of
behavior. So choose wisely one hundredthousand on the unders for a guy who
gets like four minutes a game.That's why it flags everywhere, and then
and then he hits it. Sothen the next next game coming up,

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same irregularities come through, of course, a bunch of people betting on the
unders on this guy. Wait aminute, what now he's coming out of
the game because I hurt. Ohno, no, get get at him
on the phone, Get at himon the phone, get at him on
the fuck So then I don't evenknow where to start with this one.

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All right, First question, doyou think Johntay Porter is involved? I
mean, the whole eye injury thingwas there was no contact one thousand percent?
Yes, no questions. How how'syo eye hurting? Bro? You
got allergiesus him? Yeah? Likereaggravated an eye injury? What you have

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to play to get injured? Whatreaccate your eye too hard? Right?
Exactly right? All right, sothat I forget what the other game he
pulled himself out of hit that underagain. As I said, behind noon,
you guys responsor me by now.Delicious phenomenal If you're the NBA and

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you have live betting coming to yourapp next season, mm hmm. So
public trust is vital for you.Yeah, if you find out he's involved
or you can't disprove his involvement,do you bang him forever? Oh,
Pete Rose's ass ship. I thinkyou kind of have to, that's what.

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But talking about potentially billions of dollarson the line, when anytime you
throw the word billions and trust inthe play, like you gotta play right,
you gotta play ball, you can't. Public trust is something that all
these leagues value and like and whatthis thing is built on. It's like

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customer service in any other business,like you can't you're nothing without your customers.
Like to the point of why theseleagues heads so hard, and years
ago with all that and all theBlack Lives Matter movement bled into sports like
these these these owners got nervous.Man, they can't because you can't control
that kind of stuff like once onceone thing, and then you get people

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like I don't want it in mysports, and that's that's a whole nother
discussion. But yeah, these theseowners don't like that kind of stuff.
And guys, let me explain toyou why public trust is so important to
these leagues and to these casinos.Because if public trust is lost and people
begin on like a massive skin ableto believe that games are fixed, then

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you can't gamble on it anymore.As you guys know, we host the
greatest professional wrestling podcast in the world. You can't gamble on professional wrestling because
the outcomes outcomes are fixed. Yetyet you can get into free play pools
for like chances to win money,but that's not technically gambling, right.

(24:23):
The reason you can't gamble is becausethe outcomes are predetermined, thus meaning you
could swing money so many ways byjust having a phone conversation with the right
person. Truthfully, if gambling onwrestling was legal, you could listen to
let Me Book the Territory and episodesevery Friday and become a billionaire in days.

(24:44):
We'd be like Insiders man like yeah, like the moment gambling on wrestling
becomes legal, I'm quitting my jobsand I'm working for draft. We would
have to completely change how our showsbrought to people, like we're not giving
that away for free, no more, that's that's behind a paywall. If
that if when that day comes,it's straight like our podcast will be like
twenty minutes log like to hear theother forty five minutes five dollars for Patriot,

(25:11):
Like, come on, they'll probablymake it back watching the SmackDown Hell
yes, and then some what youwant to hear Dub's level up best for
the week. That dude that soldit to Hulu love that segment. He
might come in and try to sponsorus himself or gal whoever sold that to
whou So, guys, if you'rewondering, that is why public trust is

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so important and why when these thingsare found out, these leagues have to
act with a super heavy hand,regardless of if people think it's too heavy,
they have to come down on it. Speaking of the leagues coming down
show, heyl Tani, I thinkthe league got to him, changed his

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story. I laughed because I justthink about like somebody our our Instagram page
is shared, somebody acting like himhim making it as if like a Shinsky
Nakamura promo of him saying I speakingno English. That's why I was like,
yo, that is wrong, butfucking hilarious. He to continue.

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I had to get that out there. That's funny, So Beloise, you
guys who don't know, It wasfound out that Shoe Hao Tani's translator,
who he's known for ten years,was in debt to some illegal book makers
in California, because again sports gamingis not legal in California, to a
debt to the tomb of four pointfive million dollars. Man, it's like,

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hey, I know in hardball.It was found out that this debt
was paid from show Hao Tani's accounts. The initial story was that translator got
into some he got him some troublewith game. But I mean, you
know, we all have our vices. His was gambling. It wasn't on

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baseball, it was on college footballand NBA. And the original story was
that show Hey said, I'm gonnahelp my man's out payoff his debt for
him. What I believe happened isthat the commissioner in baseball was like,
no, the fuck you didn't.Absolutely not. He stole from you.

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That's the story you're running with,and that's the story you're gonna stick with.
And then he got on stage andwas like, yeah, he's been
seeing for me for years, blahblah blah blah blah, byah. Let
me ask you this question, mh you signed a contract for seven hundred
million dollars like show, Hey,did your best friend from ten years?

(27:48):
You got four point five for him, right to help him out? Like
it's nothing. And they thought,but okay, so you're best runding ten
ten years doesn't have access to youraccounts though, right he shouldn't. He's
just especially in this case because he'syour translator, Like you really trust him,
right, So I still am notgiving that guy access to my accounts,

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sorry, translator. So the liethat they came up with is worse
bullshit than the actually than the storythat show Hayden's translator initially told people,
I didn't catch the story. Letme hear the let me hear the what
they actually fed him to say.What they actually seed him to say is

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that this transfer has been stealing fromme for years. He had access to
my accounts because I don't speak thislanguage natively. He's been helping me out
ten years, he's been stealing fromme. He no longer works for me
or the Dodgers. Blah blah blahblah blah. Investigations on going. I
can't say anything else. Yeah,that's that's pretty that's pretty foul. But

(28:57):
history with gambling, from the BlackSocks to Pete Rose, to them just
being scared of every fucking thing kindof put them in a situation where I
guarantee you Rob Manford, the commissionerof Major League Baseball, caught up the
Dodgers, like, Hey, no, that this that's not how this is

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going down at all. Not pukingit this way, brother, Let me
tell you something. To hear Jack, They're like, Rod, why do
you sound like that? Why doyou call me brother? Don't work for
me, brother? So no,Man, that that speaks to just foul,

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foul, foul, foul corruption andbaseball, to that being said,
baseball is one of those sports becauseit's such a methodical, slow sport and
then it gets these bursts of excitement. It's very easily easy to manipulate things
in that sport. And to yourpoint, of public trust earlier. This

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is yeah, exactly, you gottaprotect the brand. This is protecting the
shield, so to speak to thepoint where they're gonna make show hell tiny
look incompetent as hell and make himlook like an idiot, essentially to protect
the whole game at that point,because I was like, for him doing
that just makes him look stupid.But at the same token, Rob Man,

(30:29):
for his probable point where he probablymade that call, your boys should
have been known better to even letthat guy around sports gambling, knowing what
he does for him somebody. Butthe Dodgers always have stuff like this happened,
though. I feel like, man, they have controversial stuff happened all
the time. They buy their playersthem in New York. Man, New

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York kind of keeps it cleaner thoughthese days. But LA always has always
got some ship going on like this. To call it what it is,
shot tell the story baby, Yeah, bro, so I don't. It's

(31:15):
it's sad, but it's it's it'spart for the course. That is Like
these these leagues, man, likeyou've seen You've seen similar things in all
the leagues. I'd say, becauseit was the NFL you had, was
it Calvin Ridley was Homeboy's name,got to spend it for a whole year
for he kind of I feel badhe bet on his own team, though
he will while he was injured,right and he thought he was trying to

(31:37):
do like a an Ada boy typestuff like I just how to mess with
y'all, But he is not knowingthe game. Again, I blame his
agent. I blame his agent.I blame these agents. I blame these
handlers because what are y'all getting paidfor, like to not y'all supposed to
be up on game, not justeating off of these dudes because you you

(31:59):
chose to be their friend for allthese years, because you knew that the
bag was coming. So it's thatpart of it too. They got the
Lions, not Jamier Gibbs. Probably, I can't. I can never remember
football players names outside of seasons.Is very weird. It's not the news
cycle. Jameson Jamison Jamison Williams.They got him for initially eight games because

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apparently he had placed a bet onI want to say baseball, like from
the team facility. So like soyou can't So NFL players allowed to gamble
on other ship, but you can'tplace bets in the team facility, on
the team plane, or like atteam events. From what I read,

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he was in like the trainer's roomor something like, you know, because
he was rehabing a broken ankle.I believe. Yeah, board the trainers
table play bets and they're like,yeah, eight games. They were like
this sucks. And then after allall the outrage and stuff, they shortened
it to four because you know,that's what the fuck happens to the Lions.

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Some crazy rule happens and it onlyfucking damages the Lions before the oh
yeah, we should probably change this. Oh should you now? Oh word
only after it hurts us? Okay, got it, You got it,
guys. But that's just me beinga salty Lions fan. Hey man,

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someone from a salty Browns fan.I get it. I understand we haven't
had to deal with that yet,but so still to me, let me
ask you this question, be abefore we get off a gambling here.
Do you think this is a bubble? As as my financial guy who knows
bubbles, do you think this isa bubble or is this something that's gonna
get past bubble status? To beI don't know what happens something past bubble

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status. That is the only thingthat when it gets past bubble status,
I mean that bitch hopped and there'sa fallout and all sorts of heads falling
and getting cut off from this.But I'll say this because there's so much
money to be made from it.Nah, this ain't a bubble yet.
There's still players to get involved,there's still rules to be made from it,

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there's still there's still guidelines to bedrawn from it, there's still access
to be granted to it. There'sa lot that still has to happen with
this. I think we still,if anything, we're still in the groundswell
of it all because of all thethings we discussed up until this point.

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As far as the possibilities is goingto open up from a casino sports league
standpoint, more cities might get sportsteams because of this dog like there's so
many domino effects and for a longtime, all of a sudden, all
of a sudden, right Vegas,Vegas, All of a sudden, it's

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sports mecca, like what because youneed to gamble there now, right,
and players that Lebron's gonna own isgonna be there. Not the Calves.
Damn, I've heard similar. I'msure Lebron wouldn't mind buying into the caves.
But him, him and Dan Gilbertgot a weird relationship. And that's

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why I think it's even more weirdbecause I'm we are we are both black
men here, dub and I knowif a white man said the things that
he said about me in the citythat I played in, that's right down
the street from where I grew upat. For him to come back here,
there was something done outside of whatwas reported for him to come back.

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There's an ownership stake. I'm tellingyou, bro, when when When
when him and Rich Paul are callowners of the Calves? Don't don't you
heard it here first? But withthat being said, I could see Lebron
owning the Vegas team as well.Let's see it. You can't own two

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you can't own two teams. Well, I'm saying like he wouldn't he would
like sell his stake or something.I mean, Jordan was in the Wizards
organization, he and the Horness.Now that's what I'm saying, like we
can pivot and play different aspects ofit. I mean, truthfully, if
followed him, I would I wouldget it on that Vegas team because and

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offense to my Cleveland friends. Everybodyknows love Cleveland, big fan, big
fan, huge, huge fan.But that Vegas team is coming in and
they're gonna they're gonna build a newarena for them. And oh yeah,
that's the nixt big in sports.As far as trying to find new new
revenue streams, yeah, you knowall about it. You gotta find new

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ways to make money. Yep.A new way to make money, Milk
that cow is to not only ownyour stadium, but to own all the
land and around it and turned intoa district. Oh like Jerry's Land aka
to Dallas Stadium. But how Iheard that's set up? Yes, like
Jerry's world. The big new oneis the Deer District in Milwaukee, which

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is everything basically across the street fromthat is all owned by the Bucks.
And instead of it just being restaurants, now it's restaurants, it's hotels,
it's apartments, it's everything. Tomake that entire district just a walk.
You're just you're walking around your littledistrict. And oh the Bucks play tonight.

(37:39):
Cool? See if they need seatsleft boom? All right, wait,
let me make my draftings beat onit. Boom, that's the next
boom and sports to be a limit. As a Cavs fan, do you
think this is something that's viable inCleveland where the Caves play now because they

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put so much money in the Rocketmortagsh field House. It's as I think
about around, it's possible. Man, I'm gonna know. This is me
just trying to be the good oldCleveland kid that I am in Glass half
full. There's a lot of emptybuildings around Rocket Mortage field House outside of

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where the Cleveland Guardians play a progressivefield. There's just a lot of nothing
going on outside of Tower City,which is the mall that's connected to Rocket
Mortage field House. And that mallused to be somewhat of a center of
town, so to speak, orwhere people, a lot of people congregate.

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A lot of things happen in thatmall. But as we know where
malls have gone in this country,that ain't it no more so Outside of
that, man, you could possiblyset up a district like that where they
just buy out all these buildings andeither destroy them and make them what they
want them, or they just putlipstick on the pig that is these old

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old ass buildings. So there's alot that can be done with that.
But now will Cleveland do it?Probably not, because we never do anything
in this city that makes sense inthat regard. We just we got an
old ass infrastructure to our city.Man. Anybody that's listening to this and
it's been in Cleveland or knows Clevelandunderstands that. Because when you look at
the other cities in Ohio, likea Columbus, for example, their sports

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teams probably could be able to dowhat we're discussing here because there's nothing but
open ass land out that way,right. And then on the other side
of it, we haven't even talkedabout it yet. The Cleveland Browns like
they're they're talking about getting a newstadium away from the other sports team.
I was gonna ask you this question, YEP, as a as a Cleveland

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sports officionado, would you rather theBrowns move somewhere in the suburbs and develop
a whole district around it or wouldyou rather them still be close to the
all the two teams in the city. Nah, get out, And it's
a history. I say that wouldlove because the original time when the Browns

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left Cleveland, they left because ArtModell the a former owner of the Browns
and Ravens. Fuck him anyways,he didn't get a new stadium when what
is now Rock and Mortage Field outsfor the Calves was originally Gondarena when it
first got built, because the Calvesused to play out in Richfield, Ohio,

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which is out by Akron, middleof nowhere. And then you have
the Guardians, who are the Indiansformer Indians. When that stadium was opened
right after Gondarena, was that atthat point in time, Jacobs Field,
the beer that used to play atbefore was where the Browns played at Cleveland
Municipal Stadium. They shared that stadium. So when Art Odell saw, oh,

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y'all building the Indians and stadium andthe Kaza Stadium, but I still
got to play in this old assmotherfucker. And oh yeah, I'm on
debt trying to get a team onthe field, and I'm using credit cards
to pay Andre Risen. I'm outthis bit. But there was speculation where
he was trying to get the teaminto the suburbs, the same vicinity I'm
not gonna say the same suburb,but the same side of town that the

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Browns are looking at now, whichis being out by where their facility is
on the west side of Cleveland.So I say that because this was the
original goal and they can kind ofmake this to the point of what we
were talking about. There's more optionsout that way to where they could make
a more of a district type ofvibe around the new stadium out a legitimate

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dogtown if you will. I wouldbe beautiful because what's been the dog Pound?
And I'm sure my Browns fans understandthat's not the dog pound, y'all.
That wasn't the dog pound that mygrandparents and my aunts and uncles,
my great aunts and uncles sat inand threw snowballs with batteries in them,
or batteries with snowballs covered up atfucking Terry Bradshaw in the seventies and Frank

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O'harris and shit. So yeah,there's a whole history around that specific to
Cleveland. I'm glad I'm from here, live here. I know all about
it, ins and outs of it. But you're gonna see a lot of
that in other cities, similar toa Cleveland in the Midwest where were not
a big market city. If theirspace, it'll be acquired, if the
city cares enough about the sports team. That's a whole nother discussion too,

(42:28):
Dub, because in Cleveland all theparking has dramatically gone up around all of
the sports venues in downtown. Yeah. Yes, and it's because our mayor,
who's just brand new a couple ofyears ago, decided to do this
and he's not a big fan ofBecause another thing the Browns was trying to

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do on the love before they saidthey was about to move out and build
this in the stadium, it wastrying to get the city to pay into
update in the old stadium, thestadium even that we have now, and
the city was like, no,fuck that absolutely not. It's privately owned
company. Y'all figure it out.So what's funny about that is that,
like the city said no, versusjust putting it to a vote. Yeah,

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because it's not like like in GreenBay. I'm glad you brought that
up. Green Bay owns the Packers, the City of Green Bay, the
citizens owned the Packers. That's wheresomething like that would get put to a
vote. No. But my pointwas like they just they said, don't
even putting it on the ballot because, like I think they were worried about
maybe hurting their base because they knowhow rabid Browns fans are that they were,

(43:37):
they might just vote yes. Ohyeah, you get what I'm saying.
So, like, if you're apolitician that like runs on the platform
of cutting spending, but you allowstuff like that to get to the ballot,
you you're hurting yourself at your basea lot because they just gonna vote
yes. Absolutely, yeah, yeahyou would. But then then and also

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you run into the conundrum of allyour fans don't live in the city of
Cleveland, which ain't fair to thepeople that actually got to deal with that
tax bill. So it's it's tough, man, when you don't own the
city doesn't own the team. Andthat's such a rarity that the Packers do
that. I love that this cityowns that team. Like that's dope as
hell. I wish more cities coulddo stuff like that, but it's too

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much politic and tied into the sportsteams to that point. Politic it is
money, money, too much man. So but yeah, I just thought
it was interesting because, like youyou look at Detroit, like Detroit had
like a real movement to bring thePistons back home. They saw what bringing
the Lions from Pontiac back to thecity did for the city, and they

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were like, well, we're goingthrough this renewal period already. Let's get
the Pistons here, and let's getthem all within two miles of each other,
and then let's develop around it.And that's what they did versus like
putting a whole district around like ateam. I've been to Cardinal Stadium in
Arizona and they have kind of thesame a similar thing, where like it's

(45:06):
just a district and a nothing elseout there at all. It's Highway Cardinal
Stadium in that whole district. AndI was like, hey, it's the
dopest shit in the world. Everyteam should do this, except for I
want my teams in the That's howFoxborough is for the Patriots too, Like
that shit's in the middle of nowhere. They could they could definitely do some
shit like that, But then yougot a buffalo like buffalo sits like right

(45:30):
in a neighborhood, like their stadiumsits like like a high school stadium type
in a neighborhood. Type is crazy. That shit is cool too, It
is cool. It's very cool.Trenches. You you of the people yes,
literally, like there's stuff I've neverseen an NFL stadium, just like
in a neighborhood like that, right, because it's usually around a metropolis or
it's in the middle of nowhere.So yeah, that's pretty cool. But

(45:52):
to that point, I don't seethem being able to survive a move like
that because you talk about knocking outresidential homes and ship like what I mean,
like, Buffalo, where else doyou go besides across the border?
True? That and that would oohman, and that could possibly spill out
to the bills moving to Canada.You never know that Toronto. I don't

(46:14):
want to speak that on that city. I don't want to say that,
but it's possible. That's something theNFL has wanted for a long time,
and that would be the perfect waybecause you know, man, these corporations
get off on the bend, don'tbreak of what they want, the things
that they want to change that theycan't. They just lean and lean and

(46:35):
lean, and if this is athing that they've been wanting forever, they're
gonna greeze them wheels so heavy broto make sure that shit just runs through
and Buffalo. Sorry, Buffalo,thanks for the memories. And Toronto is
like a baby New York City,so right there. They want out of
Buffalo so bad. And they beexpanding their products across the across the continent,

(46:58):
at least being able to make itmore of a global game and all
that kind of shit. That's avery people love that word globalization, so
that and that is their goal too, which I still have my doubts about
whether that will ever actually happen.American football such a an American thing.
It's very niche for us. Yeah, like college sports. College sports doesn't

(47:22):
exist in any other country in thisworld. I don't know if you guys
knew that off their audience, butis a uniquely American thing. I wonder
why that's as we're about to findout a five hour pid that actually is.
But I wanted to talk about inil the big boogeyman of college sports.

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The shit is crazy. So Iwanted to ask you ba, as
someone who monitors markets and things ofthat nature, about the current setup of
how collectives are run. So,for those of you guys who don't know,
collectives are alumni started or business peoplestarted groups that sole purpose is to

(48:12):
support the effletic program of whatever schoolis closest to it, Most of them
are run and kind of I guessthe money comes in from memberships of say
ba, he wants to support hisschool, he joins the collective. The
membership is two fifty a month,gets a bunch of shit, gets access

(48:34):
to parties and things like that.There's kind of a worry building up that
this model won't sustain itself because you'reasking so much of the fan to pay
the bill for these things that arecome and doa what do you think about
that? Like the actual collective modelas the stands of it being fan funded

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for the majority of it right now, I think that it kind of has
to be that way, and Ithink that's honestly, as I kind of
hear you break it down, thatseems like the more appropriate way to do
it. It's like a for usbias type of vibe if you let the
fans do it. When you getthese it's because essentially, let's call it
the collective our boosters, which iswhat NIL is here to stop, to

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my understanding of it, at least, because of how heavily involved boosters were
to create sanctions on these universities andkind of tie from getting talent still through
college football and basketball, the bigsports that draw in money for the NCAA
and these universities that kind of keepit all at the top. So I

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would say that would be a goodthing, Dub, if the people kind
of controlled that more versus these richass alumni. I don't got nothing else
better to do than to try toact like they are important people of their
university. They went to school andand gave money to the say I grew
to school here. I mean,I agree, like I think the NIO,
like the collective model is kind ofgood the way it is if it's

(50:05):
just fans support it. I'm thinkingabout this kind of as the world turns,
and you know, the talking ofthe news every day is everything getting
more expensive, more expensive, moreexpensive. So you ain't going nowhere?
Does at what point did your wifelook at you and say, why are
we paying two hundred bucks a monthfor your alumni collector? M You know

(50:25):
what I'm saying. That's a greatdiscussion, Dub. That's that's a that's
a very astute take there, becausethat's happening in a lot of households right
now. Because this is what Ido for a living. There's two things
happening right now. The cost ofthings is going up still even though inflation
is slung down. I put bigair quotes around that. This is an

(50:45):
audio podcast. Uh, And thefact that incomes are not increasing, there's
not raises being given, and peoplehave to do more to just keep the
baseline what it was. There's noway to get ahead is why I say
that usually back in the day ofthe middle class, so to speak.

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And this is who I speak toin that collective, because get where I'm
going here, because you're probably like, how does that even matter to the
person that's given away that like,that's not that person still like that has
that collective of two hundred dollars thetoss towards a collective for their alumni,
trying to get different players paid forschool they went to. So the middle

(51:30):
class as we knew it, thatI believe you and I both grew up
in, has essentially been a race. Right It's gone now, It's not
what it was, not coming back. It's never going to be what it
used to be. So the lowerclass, it's basically just lower class and
upper class now. And what's happeningis the lower half of that upper what

(51:51):
would be considered upper class. Peoplethat aren't hurting right now, that could
play that game and do that kindof stuff are getting a rude awakening because
they're becoming what I call the thethe new middle class, right because this
is all happening by design. Everythinghappens by design, y'all. Like,
don't don't get it twisted, Likeyou don't just walk out the door and

(52:13):
just stuff happens just because this isjust how my day went. Some things
are like that, but most thingsare designed and put in a certain way
for things to only happen a certainway in your life. And I say
that to say, what's happening nowin our country specifically? I can't speak
to the world, but our countryis we are, we are we have

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For these next couple of years,it's going to be a struggle. It's
gonna be survival of the fittest.For are you gonna be in that lower
class? Are you gonna get tohang out with everybody that's not really bothered
by everything that's happening in the world, at least not being discussed about on
the news. So what that said, Man, it's it's to that that
person. They're gonna have to that'sthat's the root awakening of I'm not that

(52:57):
guy, no more or gal thatwas able to support my alumpent my school
I went to. So it's areally it's just further speaks to that discussion
happening to Complie kind of turn theconversation differently to you add on that and
you also have to worry of donorfatigue too. Hell yeah, yeah,
you're an o Hoose State fan,right, Yes, I am. I

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grew up in Ohio State fan.So I've been doing research in the Ohio
State and their collectives work related stuff. Don't worry about the guys move over
here. They have the most sophisticatedNio collective program I have looked at,
and I have looked at a lotof them makes sense, And it's been
reported that they've raised seventeen million inIo through their collectives. And that's just

(53:45):
for their football team because they're sickof losing to Michigan. You know what,
that little jab, I'm gonna takeit, and I'm gonna let I'm
glad to hear it's not clab it'sthe true truth. Right, So I'm
saying I was like, yeah,question, this is kind of true if
you're one of those donors and youyou know, you feel good about it,
you got your cape on, you'refilling a thousand bucks part of that

(54:07):
million, Like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna beat them this year.
Right, what if they lose again? No one. Fatigue is a motherfucker.
Yeah. And it happens quickly becausethose dudes, because think about let's
talk about that person first, thinkabout that person that's given that Let's talk
about the thousand dollars guy, right, I gave a thousand dollars to my

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collective because fuck Michigan. Right.So next day to day's after Thanksgiving up
twenty twenty four, he's watching thegame. Immediately Ohio State starts to take
it out. Immediately things go left. That guy is TV. That motherfucker
is on the phone with Jeane Smithor at least whoever has access to Jean

(54:51):
Smith to be like, why amI giving you money this year? Why
am I doing this? Like thatperson. I say that to say they
are having the biggest reaction to what'shappen been in front of them, because
it's not just a game for themeven bragging about this, because this person's
kind of an asshole. Let's justbe real. If you're just the guy,
if you're this guy, you're nota clear to somebody that I'm thinking

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of, Like, man, Ican't wait to hang out with that guy
because this is what he gets offyou. And your wife was you know,
she's cool with it because you guysare doing okay right now. Again,
like you just said, things arestarting to change a little bit next
year. You're not necessarily that guywho can just toss a stack. And
the first thing she's gonna do islook at you and be like you want

(55:34):
to do what again? Right?For what? How does this benefit this
household financially? And that's where thebuck stops. No put it, because
no financial bit off it. It'sliterally just like you said, put your
cape on and be able to callyour buddies and say, I just gave
a thousand dollars to the seventeen milliondollar fund that exists to make sure that

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we keep on paying our players andbringing in top talent. Like crazy.
I'm when you get that call like, hey, where your thousand dollars go?
Buddy? Got that pass again?You're gonna be calling somebody and then
as you know, your thousand disappears, Your Buddy's two fifty disappears, your
little cousin who wanted a membership tothe collective, so you can get a

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hat. That's that's not happening nextyear. Those are the things I think
about, like as this model continues. But then I look at like what's
next. So I also did someresearch on Utah's collective. I forget what
it's called whatever. Their collective hasan app, an app that has exclusive

(56:45):
content from the football and basketball teamrather it be interviews, funny stuff,
practice stuff or whatever. And thisis their collective. Correct, their collective,
yes, got it? Their collectivepartner with an app company that it's
headquartered in Salt Lake City called forthe win to develop this exclusive app that
you have that is free to downloadand you get exclusive you know, stuff

(57:10):
like that. As long as you'repart of this collective. Smart to me,
that's what's next, because yeah,because not a lot of resource in
that as far as cost exactly.And and I'm gonna put y'all all up
on game. If something is free, that means you're the product. Thank

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you to what I said to startthis discussion. And on this app,
you know what they can do inthis ATBA at their information. They can
grab their information and the app makerscan sell advertising. Oh kind of like
how Facebook did us when we wasin college and started like, oh why
do they have advertisements? Whatever?Let me write on walls real quick to

(58:00):
tell you something, Tell you something, captive audience. Facebook was a magical
place when you had to have thatdie eedu. It was real life,
a magical place when it was justabout smashing that chick that lived across the
quad. Yep, there was noapps, There was no walls. It

(58:23):
was just vibes. You just erasestuff and not worry about it, like
still being visible somewhere. We wasout here just moving around. There was
no statuses yet. Yeah, nostatuses. That is came wrong. We
was in college. Yeah, goodpoint. The only thing was is you
have to put down if you werein a relationship or not. That was
the only thing. That's only statusthat you had with No like oh,

(58:45):
I hope you have a great day, none of that. And then as
he was going, they added youcan tax someone that be in a relationship
with and then they added the it'scomplicated thing, and everybody was tagging that
one. All right, all right, back in a little bit very easy
though. Just think about how magicalFacebook was once upon the time. I

(59:07):
missed the old Internet dreams. Anyways, So yes, this app you can
sell advertising. So Ba, Idon't know you're four. You gotta you
got a brand new Escape Hybrid superCharge Old J Chase edition coming out,

(59:30):
and one of your test markets isSalt Lake City, Utah. I come
to you and I say, yo, I got one point three million people
in the city of Utah on thisapp. They're interested in cars because they
click on the stories they have myUtah players in cars. How much does

(59:53):
that work to you? I'm gonnasay this, It's worth a lot to
me in Utah. But what aboutthe other randos that live all over the
country that are tied into this Whatdo they care about my dealership? Would
be my question. I'm glad youasked. So what I can do for

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you is I can look at thesepeople and I can tell you when they're
traveling to Utah. M that way, you can yeah, lay it in
when when they Because what is thename of that stuff that that that like
guard like they there's a certain wordin advertisement internet advertising, like you can't

(01:00:37):
go past a certain point, likefor example, if somebody were to pull
into my like like one of thebranches for the bank I work for,
like a customer, and you know, you can get a notification on your
phone when you are around certain thingsthat you've either been to or that you
have a longin for, something likeWi Fi. So there's always been discussion

(01:00:58):
of in banking that when you pullinto a bank, the aphod open up
automatically, like when you pull intype stuff to just be like hey,
like if you're gonna come in andhave an appointment kind of like how when
you go or at least when COVIDwas happening, when you had to like
set an appointment to go somewhere thatyou didn't have to in the past,

(01:01:19):
Like that's it would pull up onyour phone or type stuff like that.
You could just pull it up onyour phones. But what if it did
automatically. So to that point ofthe Utah thing, is there law around
that be not being allowed, likeas far as data or no. So
there are new laws about data collectionand things like that. Most of them

(01:01:42):
are like if you're collecting user data, you have to let them know and
they have to agree to it.And I mean that's the whole thing that
Google and Facebook and Uber fucked upfor everybody. But I say that to
say, I think because you havesuch a captive audience and sports fans that

(01:02:05):
they wouldn't blink twice of saying yeah, whatever, we do it ourselves.
We do it ourselves, and weclick on terms and conditions. That's data
collection. Shit in there, buriedin it, guaranteed. That's why it's
so much like because we can dowhatever we want because you want to use
this iPhone or whatever the fuck itis. So yes, yep, now

(01:02:25):
that point. And it's funny.I was looking at this app for Utah's
Collective. They don't collect data.Yeah, I was running. If I
was running it, they would,oh yeah, because as we know,
data is worth its weight in diamonds. Yes, it is, because of

(01:02:45):
how man, because of what itcan speak to for a business that's trying
to get it hit on a certainmarket. Because yeah, imagine like you
want to reach affluent people between theages of thirty and fifty five that live
in Salt Lake City. Boom,you go to go to this company,
all right, Well, on myapp, I have people, I get

(01:03:07):
their income level, I have theirage, and I can tell you what
stories of mind that they click onabout these players, what things are interested
in as far as Utah Athletic goes, and my other partners, so you
can better partner with other things inthe area to reach these affluent people.
I can give you all of thatdata for a price. Now, if

(01:03:32):
I'm this company that wants to reachthis affluent market base, that price is
whatever it is, is cheap comparedto what I would spend if I was
just trying to mass market and hopeI hit these right correct things. If
I have the actual data and Ican say, oh, the affluent market
they click on the stories about thefootball players doing a make a Wish.

(01:03:57):
Cool guys, next quarter, We'redoing four making Wish events here. And
then a matter of fact, getwith the collective, get some Utah football
players out there. And that's gonnacost me a couple you know, a
couple thousand for the football players themake of which people are just happy you're
involved. Make some kids happy,and guess what I got my captive audience.

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Now, yep, it's a winwin from that perspective, just to
spend whatever that fee is. Andlike you said, that price is always
going to be the cheapest in thelong run because you got your market,
you don't got to experiment, youdon't got to keep spending money. Yeah,
you could hit it on just doingit, just that one mass market
advertising with the likelihood like point gotto be like basis points. It can't

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even be a full percentage of achance that to just hit and get the
same effect that you would get ifyou pay whatever that fee is. So
bring this whole thing full circle.That's what they're doing in Utah. Now,
imagine if they did this at OHouse State be discussing, it'd be
discussed with a much bigger, muchmore national fan base probably working on it

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right now to that point, becauseit's becoming such a conversation it's NIL stuff
like it's in it's in the headlines, like it's it's a part of the
discussion on the top of the newscycle in sports like so why would it
not, especially when they do thatfirst like E sixty if that show still

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exists on the NIL collective and howcrazy this shit is under below the surface
of what people talk about, whichain't a lot about it outside of when
a head coach that got a damebehind them say something So it's interesting,
man, because it's such a it'ssuch a lightning ride for discussion and opinion

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on something that we're figuring out aswe go, and people want people want
answers right now and want this shitto be right. But people got to
take l's before we really know whatit's supposed to look like to that point,
I got a question for you aroundthat though. How many l's have
been taken so far? Like isit an egregious amount of like people fucking

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up? Or is it like peoplewanting to do certain things and trying to
get policy in place to get itdone. Like what are you seeing more
of in that? Like? Sothere was the kid I want to say
he was going to Florida transferring it. He had deals on the table with

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his collectives for a few million,and either he ended up changing his mind
or not getting into the school,and it became a big deal of like
contracts of did he get this money? Did he not get this money?
She's supposed to do for this moneyA lot of money? Yeah, Like

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I've seen a few cases of thathappening. There's the one kid who transferred
into Iowa, I want to sayfrom a house state and then like just
recently transferred back. The joke was, oh, he transferred to Iowa to
see Kaylen Cart play, and theytransferred back. He had a deal on
the table from a collective for acouple hundred thousand, and it became a

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question of, well did he getthis money? What's going on? And
I'm sure like the collective had liketheir donors called him like, yo,
this kid is transferred back. Heain't do nothing. You'alln't give him the
money, right, And they hadto put out a statement saying, hey,
we didn't give him any money yet, so obviously he's not gonna get
it because he transferred back. WhatI'm seeing a lot of is like things

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like that. And then there's alsothe stories of these deals not being upheld
by the collective and oh so that'sthat's big trouble on that side of that.
Imagine so who was it Jimbo,Jimbo Fisher not Jimbo? What was
that Florida State? There was thisbig like thing about, oh, they

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pay for all their players, andthat's why I had one of these top
five recruiting classes. Players are comingout starting to say that, Hey,
I know what ch'all was reading theseheadlines, but we ain't getting no money.
We was out here just living asbroke broke college kids in Tallahassee,
which I've been in Tallahassee. Idon't know a like fun to me.

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So that's part of what I'm seeingis like what's being reported is not always
what they're getting, which I kindof I want the guardrails to be in,
which is I have this huge problemwith the NC double AA up how
they wash their hands of it andsay, hey, state schools, you
guys figure it out, because allwe were trying to do is make sure

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the kids can't make money. Ofcourse said we can't do that anymore,
so you guys figured it out.So now it's just it's literally the wild
West out here and like, andthat's why you see the value of things
be so skewed. Because if you'rea football player, you do four or
five appearances at make a Wish andthat like alumni barbecues, is that we're

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five hundred thousand dollars. I wouldsay hell to the nah, especially make
a wish that's noprofit. But thenyou get what I'm saying, Like,
I see what you're saying because it'sthe market isn't set. That's the problem.
That's the problem. And and letme let me put this out there.

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I don't want any like limits towhat people can make. You make
as much money as you possibly man, but like the mark, the valuations
of what you can do and whatyou getet paid for it are so out
of whack. And then like sometimesyou're you're getting you're still dealing with people,
so some people aren't getting paid andlike and these kids, they're nineteen

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twenty twenty one years old, theydon't know shit about breach of contract.
No, so they just let itride, like from from a full class
low you running, you know,you got your sport going, you got
your own social life going. Andthen next thing you know, a collective
hasn't paid you what they promised you. One you don't have time to deal

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with it too about shit, Soyou got to have a bathroom a year
ago. And so you got tohope that there's a parent that cares enough
to kind of be the point personand a kid don't got to worry about
this stuff. So the kid cando all the stuff you're describing and not
have to worry about the adult stuffIn this which has created such a great
area around college kids making money morethan what these scholarships provide. So that's

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where the hope is and I thinkthat's where this would become an easier thing
to get to. Where everybody wantsit to go is the parents got to
be more accountable over what's happening withthese kids. Parents always want to show
up when it's draft day, whenit's heyday, when it's time for these
kids to get some sort of notoriety, parents want to be there. But

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there has to be more accountability.There has to be things signed to keep
parents at more of a responsibility whereif a kid does end up getting got
by some scumbag, parents should beliable for that too, because you let
it happen, Like you let thiskid talk to this this this scummy ass

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adult that talked to them and soldthem a dream. Where were you at
while this dream was getting sold.Somebody's got to have some checks and balance
in that part of it too.That's a lot of what I'm seeing in
the failings, and it's a tailor'soldest time, especially with college sports,
is that the adults in the roomare failing the kids. Yes and yes,

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that's always been a big issue insports, not sports, but college
sports, is that the adults inthe room are not doing right by the
kids. But the adults in theroom are the ones that are getting rich.
And that's where the liability has tocome into play, because if y'all
just gonna benefit without any sort ofrisk, that's bullshit because any investment involves

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risk, right, If you wantto make the money that it should come
from it, more risk, moremoney you can make from it, period,
point blank. To talk about stockmarket, talking about buying a house,
could be talking all sorts of stuff. That's just what it is when
it comes to investing. So towhat you said, if I'm a parent
and my kids talking to these people, I'm gonna want to be involved,

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period because what if my kid isn'tgetting more, Like my kid could be
making more if I was in theroom or whatever it is. So,
yeah, man, there has tobe that's the part I don't think,
and you tell me if I'm wrongon this is not being heavily discussed around
nil And how do we get thisto a point where it could be more

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of a self setting machine versus let'scall it what it is. This clusterfuck
of what is this who's making moneyand how and why and how much?
To the point of what you saidearlier, So, is there any discussion
around parents or some guardianship like puttinga person there, like a department maybe

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even at the universities, for likea human being to be there to like
kind of be like the gatekeeper forthe kids. Yes, and no.
Some universities have like full nil departmentswith one to two to three people on
their staff, and you know,the kids go to them with contracts and

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things like that, and brands reachout they tell them how to like get
in touch with kids for example forthat. But a lot in most universities
the answer is no, they're becauseyeah, that's probably like your Ohio states,
like you just mentioned earlier, yourbig programs that can afford to have
all of these liberties in place,whereas like in Utah probably doesn't have that

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to that example earlier, Yeah,right, like so so some do,
but then like some people, someare just like some of these kids are
just you know, relying on theirparents and or somebody they know that might
have a law degree. Yeah that'srough man, this is the wild West.
Yeah, I mean there's no doubtthere's agents like me out there.

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I mean some are reputables, somearen't. Like I'm fighting for my kids
every single day. But again,even even with my kids, I see
like sometimes you know, we're talkingto the parents all the time. Sometimes
the kids is like, no,I got it on my own. I
might let compliance read just make sureit's cool, but no, like I

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got it on my own. We'relike, you got nobody want to read
us? Yeah? Nobody. Imean, we want you to trust us.
At the end of the day,we're gonna fight for you. But
right we should have an adult youtrust. Yeah, we give side of
us. Yeah. That brings meto another question. I'm sorry to cut
you off. I gotta get thisout. Is there some talk of an

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organization so to speak, to lookover everything, like to kind of work
in concert with the n C doubleA, like N I L A or
something is what it should be called. That's what needs to happen. And
that's the problem is like it's hardto have this thing that in itself is
its own entity, one within anentity that doesn't operate in a black and

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white in the n C double A. That's the inherited problem is the the
thing, the thing that's happening nowin Congress is the n C double A
is asking for anti trust exemptions becausethey don't want to pay the kids.
And I'll get to why that's important. That is like their only concern right

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now, and they want the federalgovernment to come in and set some standards
behind what this should be. Andmost most of the most congressional senators are
like, we're not gonna bail youout of something you should have done fifty
years ago. You need to figurethis the fuck out on your own private

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entity and non profit n C doubleA is like, well, no,
Like, our only goal was tokeep kids broke. You're the one that
said they could get money, Likeyeah, because you saying they could,
they just had to be broke.It's kind of sort of illegal. So
we're not gonna we're not gonna helpyou fix a system that was completely broken.

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We're just gonna tell you that thebroken system was broken, and you
can't do that. You need tohandle your own problems. The NC double
A is like, but yeah,but this anti trust exemption though, and
again the federal government is like no, and they and they keep saying like
why do you keep asking for thisinstead of addressing all the other problems.
And n Cuba can't see the quietpart out loud that they're being sued for

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TV rights money and they're probably gonnalose that. And we're talking about big
money, billions of dollars in backpay that they're gonna owe, so god
knows how many players, because whenthat happens, it's a wrap. Yeah,

(01:17:40):
So that's a great that's a greatsegue into probably the n C double
A being over as and this isno. This is what's gonna happen.
Man, There's gonna be some sortof new NT double A over the Division
one side of things, right,and then the old school the NT double
A will look over you're two youryour D two three D two D three

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And I think there's also like asegment it used to be one double A,
but they consider it something else nowtied into the the two. Yeah,
that'll be tied into the D twoand D three. Because to your
point, if they have to dothat, then n C double A is
bye bye, like you can't theycan't sustain themselves. So what that's gonna

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happen is is going to create awhole new monster to where now they can
finally add this leg on it whereNIL can come in. It makes sense.
Now these kids can make money becausenow they gotta make money because y'all
just paid every player since nineteen eightysomething a check had their name set on
TV during the Bowls season. Like, that's gonna be wild. So to

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that point, after that they erasethat and wash that off their books some
lead away, but it's legal,you feel me. That's when your new
NT double A N I L A, which is is gonna be messed together
to finally make shit. Right untilthen, this shit is just gonna be
crazy, y'all gonna be It's likeit's like I think of the Walking Dead

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when I think of the NIL,and I'm not saying it because it's gonna
die. I've saying it because it'sliterally it's guerrilla warfare. Like you could
go to work tomorrow and Mark Emericcan say some dumb shit and your job
is completely different, and you don'tknow that until you sit at your desk,
Like that's crazy. But to myworld, to like in the comparison,

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that's where if tomorrow, like thethere's so many bubbles that can pop
in the economy. Let's point atthe debt crisis. If somebody said the
government got to pay back their moneyto China now or else they could shut
down the banks or something, becauseChina owns US treasury like notes and shit
like that, which is dollars atthe end of the day. So you

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do the math on that. SoI can go to work tomorrow and all
the banks can be shut down.Not fear mongering by any means, but
these are things that can happen.So that's the equivalent of what I think
about with the NC double as it'sway more violid on y'all side. To
the point of what you said ofthe five hundred thousand dollars example, because

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that's very fucking real. Like youcould, like y'all can sell a dream
to some other kid for that andthen another kid it makes no sense for
but this other kid, somehow,some way, because of how just situations
exist, this kid getting paid thatmoney would make sense for y'all organization.
So it's it's so crazy, bro, And there's so many different webs getting

(01:20:46):
woven within it. It's it's it'sa madhouse. It's a it's a it's
a house of horrors. Like,I don't know what else to say.
It's just it gives me anxiety whenI think about it. Honestly, Bro,
that's that's it's too much. Whatif I am not work in the
world, or what if I couldn'tdo it? I think once every couple

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of weeks the n C doua Ais back on Capitol Hill making a new
testimony to Congress and answering question.I read those with bated breath every week,
and I'm like, yeah, that'show Like, what's gonna happen now?
Yep, That's how I feel whenthe FED meets, like it's the
same ship, like all right,what we're gonna do, y'all gonna do
what you're supposed to do. Itis gonna be some others. For example,

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about that Tennessee got in trouble becausetheir collective was offering money to kids
as an incentive to enroll in theTransfer Portal m HM, which is like
against one of their only rules ofthis ent because like getting money to enroll

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that especially means you're enrolling because you'rean athlete and you're getting paid to be
an athlete, and that makes younot an amateur anymore, right, correct?
This is incentivizing it from the universities. That's a conflict of venturest thing.
That's a big, big step overstep on That school was going to
get in trouble, the collective wasgoing to get in trouble, and then
the kid was gonna get in trouble. Collective took them to state court and

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state court said, no, youcan't do that. If the collective wants
to pay a kid as an incentiveto come to the school, they can
do it, I see. Andthen State Court of Virginia said the exact
same thing. So the only tiefthat the NCAA had in this NIO enforcement

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was that you can't pay kids justto come to your school. Mm hmm.
They don't have those teeth anymore.So if you thought it was the
wild West before, it got evenworse. Now everybody got guns. Yeah,
it's not just the cowboys and thebank robbert. Everybody right, and
half of them, Like somebody mightshoot their face off is the problem there,

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that's the that's the big problem there. There's gonna be a lot of
people shooting their faces off. Like. Unfortunately, and sorry for the collectives,
they had to fold because they havemoney backing from a venture capitalist.
But the plan was to sell xamount of memberships to Funness and just to

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kind of keep it going and keepit going. But the venture capital money
was going to be there if everneeded. They were well below the amount
of memberships they needed and they hadto shut down this entire collective. Part
of that was because Michigan State washaving a terrible football season and then their
coach was sending dippics to people,but that's a whole other thing. And

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then the outlook on basketball wasn't greatthis coming season either. You know,
Michigan State got to the tournament,the outlook wasn't great. So that's why
they weren't sell these memberships. Andagain this collective properly make some promises to
some kids if they couldn't you know, sustain Yeah. Again, it shit's
all over the place because because ofthe NAA wipe their hands of it.

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There's no rules, there's no regulations, there's nothing. It's terrible. I
mean, it's great for me becauseyeah, it's about to say it's more
job security for you. And thisis for anybody else that's in it too,
with dub Is and my brother's alreadydoing it. But y'all need to

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be figuring out different lanes that areeither going to be created or already being
paid, so you can be oneof the first cars driving down that lane.
And that's all that shit is aboutright now. If I was in
it, if I was in thesetrenches of this particular game, that's all
I would be doing with my freetime is just like, Hm, what's
gonna come of this? Oh?Does this already exist? Oh, it

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doesn't already exist. Who could Ibring this to? Oh? This university
might want to hear about this ifthey not already hear nobody. So to
that point, like it's excitement too. I don't want to draw this like
gloomy ass picture around it because withthe unknown, there's opportunity. And there's
a ton of unknown here, Sothere's a ton of opportunity, man,

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and people that want to go getit are gonna be the first people up
when stuff is finally getting fucking figuredout and ironed out. But the dominoes
always start and end with the governmentor the corporations in this case, the
government. Once the government says fuckyou, the NC double as they fall
into the shadow realm, that's whenyou can really start to see right they

(01:25:38):
go. That's where you gonna reallystart to see some real positive dust shake
up from this things. I thinkthere's a lot of people that are smart
from what I read or from thelittle bit of stuff I followed through like
LinkedIn and other people that have beentalking about outside of dub there's a lot
of smart people that want to haveinput in this, but they can't have

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any sort of sayer input because ofhow the n C Double A is just
trying to pass the buck to anybodybefore they got to pay the buck.
So once that happens, hopefully thesmart voices in the room are the loudest
voices. And I'll leave it atthat. I can't wait till they gotta
pay that buck. It's gonna it'sgonna be fun. Oh yeah, man,

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and everybody gonna love watching it.And that's the man. It's probably
when we right before this new nC Double A football drop because they actually
actually start paying for people are nowlet me ask you this, are the
players gonna have their names in thegame, like their actual names if you
know the way it works. Now. About months ago, the n C

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Double A Football partnered with a companycalled One Team partners that they're sports ac
they don't just do nil to Basically, every player in the game is off
for six hundred bucks to have theirname name on their jersey and to be
like in the game, all youhad to do was download this app and

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you know, put your information inwith your school email and click a box
essentially and say sign up and boomafter that checks in the mail. That's
what I forget how much I thinkit amounted to, like six point seven
million or something like that. Damnoh man, I see where this is
good. A lot of kids,a lot of kids did it. A

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lot of kids did it off ripyou get a bit, you get a
cool little social media thing that saysI'm in the game. I would have
definitely did this ship if I wasin college. Man, you're kidding me.
Yeah, as soon as I couldhave. All my kids did it.
I call my clients, my kids, all my kids did it.
Yeah, it takes takes thirty seconds, guys, go go get your money.
Yes, easier six hundred dollars youever made? Trust me, I

(01:27:56):
know, I write your deal.I'll make it do more for six hundred
dollar something right, And what ESports is doing is like they're kind of
grabbing like bigger name guys to bebigger time ambassadors to do the commercials and
things like that. And that's forthe inst the play game that's coming out,

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I guess the next one. Yeah, it's coming out this summer,
I believe. I think going forward, I'm not sure if they're going to
keep that six hundred or if they'regonna, like if they're gonna up it
at all, But that that's aninteresting thing to me because I saw a
lot of people saying, like,oh, they should be getting more than

(01:28:40):
that. They should fight for it. You know how hard it is to
get eighty five people together on oneroster, let alone at all? I
think two hundred and ten schools inthat game. That's people talking ball,
man, that's people that don't knowball and playing in the game to saying

(01:29:01):
ship like that like them, buttell me, like, oh, you've
never tried to organize a trip before. That's a great examle. You try
to get ten of your friends toagree on something exactly. That's why they
your friends, because they don't allthink the same good. Let alone six
thousand college kids right exactly whose opinionsare very swayable. I say that all

(01:29:29):
the sarcasm in the world, Sogood luck again with that. So that's
that's that's if I'm we're getting anything. Nil who were happy just to get
a quick sex hundred bucks. That'swhat I'm saying, And that's why I
like people are not thinking about thefull scope like you're thinking about like like,
oh boy, Caleb Robinson's and shitlike that. Caylen Williams is Yeah,

(01:29:51):
anyway, I'm about to take somedisparaging words about this young man,
but nothing worse than what the expertsare saying about it. But everybody ain't
that kid. You got your guysthat are just on the roster that are
just happy to be like to thatpoint, like hell yeah, run that
six hundred dollars, not throw thaton my fucking social media profile. Like

(01:30:11):
let's go like that exciting social mediaprofile. You just have to sign on
the app. They be exciting ifyou want to, because you're excited to
be in the game. As aformer NC double A athlete, I'm proud
to hear that, like because I'mnot I can't get that six hundred bucks,
but go get yours, brother,because I couldn't do it. You
know who did it? Who's thatArch Manning Arch. Oh, that's because

(01:30:38):
he's gonna be h. He's gonnabe if there is a one percent of
the nil kids, he's in it. So there you go. Sure,
Arch you get money? Oh yeah, absolutely, man, you got money.
Kleb getting money, Kitleb getting money, Angel getting money. All them
kids are man like. They tothat point though, like there's so much

(01:31:00):
money to give out, Like youeven got the wwe involved in ni L
and all that kind of stuff.They were one of the ogs right to
get involved in igs. They kindof like, we're we're just gonna take
those initials and switch it up andwe're just gonna go to college campuses and
sign kids and give them a checkand then depending on what they want to

(01:31:23):
do in four years, we'll givethem a shot. That's so fucking smart,
man. That's how That's how Ididn't know that's how they actually went
about it. I thought they justwas like, yeah, you you,
you and you that's not gonna getdrafted into the sports that you're playing.
Come fuck with us. We gotyou, we'll get you. They signed
you, and then every so oftenyou're doing like an appearance for room or

(01:31:44):
something, and like and when you'redone playing your sport, if you want,
you have a tryout with the Ifyou want, that's pretty dope you
want, Yeah, I mean it'sone of like the dope things that's doing.
And that was that was before theTKO merger. After the TKO merger

(01:32:05):
they put on the gas bah.Oh big time, bro. They making
money, man, they I get. I smile. And it's not like
I even own WWE stock or anything. I'm just happy for They're teaching the
business how to do better business,you feel me. And the business is

(01:32:29):
such a it's such a two Dviewpoint if I could use it any analogy
any better on how things have alwaysworked in the past, and everything's so
copycat in wrestling. So for WWEto be like, nah, So when
y'all get big enough of your britchesto have notoriety between all your shows so

(01:32:49):
much so that they're their own brandswithin the brand itself, let's break these
brands off to these different streaming servicesthat now all exist around us that didn't
when Vince or He who shall Remainnameless, who is he who is the
words of fuck of? Once thatstuff started happening like these dreaming services get

(01:33:15):
this streaming money, give people thecurse words inappropriate situations and wrestlings that they've
been winning since the late nineties andearly two thousands. We are here dub
all because the WWE has like it'snot monopolized, but capitalized on the capitalization

(01:33:36):
of being the ones in their industry. They have been the ones forever essentially,
like I could call two thousand andone until a couple of years ago
on AW decided to get on broadcastTV the ones. Like that's a big
head start on everybody else, likethey they they just like it feels like

(01:33:57):
they took their top dog status andinstead of like continuing to be a niche
have decided, no, we're we'rebig, Like we're big. This is
what we do. And I giveall the credit in the world to Nick
Con. Everything I've read about NickCon says, hey, that brother don't
lose, and now see it,and he's smart. I see it.
To get ten billion from Netflix aftergetting five billion from the CW is absolutely

(01:34:26):
insane. One Like, we seewhat's kind of happening with streaming services kind
of getting NFL games and things likethat. For them to say, hey,
they want to go all in onthis, but the big sports leagues
are kind of they're dipping their toeand they're afraid to go all in.
We'll go all in. We'll bewill be the guinea pig to show proof

(01:34:47):
of concept because what we know isthat fifty two weeks a year we have
live sport related content that is mustsee television. And I mean, I
just feel bad for everybody else wasgonna get into the NBA rights and the
NFL rights After this we deal startsrolling and you start seeing like the viewership

(01:35:10):
numbers and things like that because priceain't gonna do nothing but go up.
Adam Silver won sixteen billion for NBArights. Next next negotiating cycle around.
If they don't get that solved beforethis door, the shit goes around,
price going, price for the brickgoing up, to quote Marlowe, that's
crazy because TV gonna lose out bigtime, very much, big time.

(01:35:31):
So what do is TV? Whatdoes TV put on TV if they don't
got like if TNT don't got sports? This is just resolian aisles like re
runs or some shit like yeah,what do you put on TV? Like
those? The networks are gonna dieessentially, that's it. If they don't
buy in, Wow, they're gonnaget like have to sell out the sports.

(01:35:53):
That's it. Like they're this,that's why I work TV as we
knew it. That's part of whyyou don't see as much original content on
like cable stations because their parent companiesare shelling out a lot of money for
these sports rights and they're like,well, you can't beat Live Eyes on
the product, you can't super Bowlyep. So people spend so much and

(01:36:15):
I think that that's one of theinteresting they're doing. But something that's I'm
kind of noticing that's kind of comingup now is they're they're deepening their relationships
with their sponsors and BA as aguy who sells financial product, your goals
always deep in your relationship with yourcustomers to get you know, more of
that dollar. What I'm starting tosee more of is more of the commercials

(01:36:40):
around, like they're you know,the companies that sponsor them. Specifically,
Mantes four was in a Snicker's commercialwith OTM shot the scripts you know drives,
and I was like, like,oh, they they're they're just doing
it. They're just putting everybody incommercials Now is going to be center ring.
I think starting the Mania at everypay per view event going forward.

(01:37:05):
Good for Logan Paul. I can'teven hate on that deal. Good for
him, right, Wow, slimGym sponsors a match every pay per view.
One has the every main event.This is the seller one one match
to go. Yep. You seeall these things and I'm like, man,

(01:37:27):
like they're they're really getting it.They're really getting it. Just put
sponsor names on everything. It tothe point now wrestlers are getting the sponsor,
Like like Cody Rhodes is sponsoring vodkanow weekly vodka nobody ever heard of,
no ever ever ever heard of.They were like, oh they couldn't
have checked though. Oh yeah,I feel you. Cody gets you get

(01:37:47):
you get your watch them man.Essentially in every slim Gym commercial. That's
man, it works man, Ohyeah, yeah, it just works.
It just works that. I justwant to say, I want to see
it to where like they start sponsoringindividual wrestlers, Like remember how Lesner had

(01:38:12):
the Jimmy Johns logo on like onhis trunks and T shirts even the w
w E ones because he had thatdeal for so long. I want to
see that start happening. There's anindependent wrestler named Swartzee. He's sponsored by
Mick Cannabis BA. When I tellyou the last year, I was.
Yeah, he came to the ringand in his entrance was handing out free

(01:38:38):
samples of weed. Oh he didsomething about so that was him. Yeah,
that's what. And as the matchstarted, he like he started smoking
a blunt during the match. Nicenever seen while doing like wrest holes and
stuff, and he was that's likea dream and at one point ended it

(01:39:00):
to the referee that's dope, andthe whole crowd was like, smoke that
blunt. Yeah, it was great, it was fun. It was fun.
Now, granted, obviously they're gonnapush the brownie. They're not gonna
have rest for smoking weed on TV. No, no, but we ain't
there yet. It's not pure anarchyyet. I'm ready to see a sponsored
r KAO right, I'm here forthat. Since r KO has been brought

(01:39:25):
to you by like some chiropractice,some local chiropractic company or some shit.
That's the next that's the next move. It's happening right now, like like
all of it. The rock SubliminalShip that he advertises like he's teaching.
I feel like he's putting on amarketing class right now for them, Like,
hey, like Vince, ain't heHe ain't here y'all. And here's

(01:39:47):
how we're talking about more. We'retalking about products that he didn't create that
has been advertised on his product.We make money in the real world.
Yeah, Rock coming back after spendingten years in the real world seeing what
real money look like. Oh yeah, he's teaching. He's teaching them how
to like run this like a business. I feel like and Nick Con,
who's always had that relationship with theRock, Like it's kind of I feel

(01:40:13):
like it's being echoed what he's beentrying to get everybody. Or now I
could be speculating on that because maybepeople for years have felt like this is
needed to be in happening, AndI kind of feel that more than people
feeling like this Nick Con guy doesknow what he's talking about, Like nah,
they I think everybody kind of dothis is the next stuff. It
feels like everybody's kind of operating atlike one hundred percent capacity. Like Rock

(01:40:35):
is one of the greatest marketers I'veever seen. He's marketing the fuck out
of mania all man, Nick Cohnis one of the smartest business people in
all of entertainment, and you seeall the money coming in and then now
Triple H has no handcuffs on himin Creative Zero, and they're telling some
of the best stories in the pastdecade. And it's funny. It's funny.

(01:41:00):
When the old Man finally left,we said it was going to take
a couple of years before we gotto this point of like everything clicking and
it all makes sense and you cantell he has nothing to do with what's
happening on TV right now. Wewere wrong, Boy, we were wrong.
So but nah man. So withthat said, then the sponsorships these

(01:41:26):
dudes. The Saudi stuff is gettingso hot and heavy lately. They got
this whole like they have like anamusement park essentially in Saudi Arabia. I
mean, that's what I think ofwhen I hear if WW were like,
oh, it's like Disney World,but WWE right, Yeah, I mean
essentially it's like it's like a reallife Hall of Fame with a bunch of

(01:41:46):
different exhibits and things like that.Super there. The market me kind of
will go crazy over that. IfI could see something like that in real
life kind of a lot of it. That still wasn't going to get me
to go to Saudi. But thenwhat they announced they were built the dragon
ball Z Park two. I waslike, are they building that as Saudi?
Yeah, that dragon ball Z World. Yeah that's oh so they're really

(01:42:08):
trying to win the millennial dollar.That's terrifying. Saudi is Wow. They
were accused of sports washing. Ithink they're just entertainment washing now. Oh
yeah, man, they given itlike they are doing all the things,
like to get any person that haslived, like, because there's nothing that
sells more these days than nostalgia,no matter the generation. If it speaks

(01:42:32):
to something that they could feel,see, smell, taste, or touch
from their younger years that remind themof not the bullshit they go through now
with life exactly, they will goseek it out. So to Saudi's point,
if we're gonna ever become an attraction, we got to get these millennials

(01:42:53):
that got kids now and they canconnect with their kids at these amusement parks
like oh a son, let's goride the cell ride over at dragon ball
z World or the Vegeta ride likethat's crazy. They could tell stories about
when they saw vegeta fight Goku.For an year and a half of Dragon

(01:43:15):
Ball Z episodes, they're their pubertyand ship like that's ship. That's that's
so smart. I didn't know that. Man, that's crazy. Yeah,
I'm going to have to that's terrifyingbut awesome. Like But but to that
point though, like Nintendo World inJapan, I believe, yes, yeah,

(01:43:38):
I want to go see that.I've never wanted. I've had no
affinity to want to go to Japanfor any reason until I saw that was
being created. I'm like, oh, a Disney World for me, I
want no world, and I wantto see that full lifestyle gun them they
got in Japan. That sounds terrifyingtoo, like real life terrifying, not
like financial terror. That's just becauseso he's gonna take all my money,

(01:44:00):
I say that, But a reallife Gunda that doesn't sound like stuff.
I need to see it. I'lltake your word for it. Though.
Built the scale like ten ft tall, like no no no, no,
no, no no no no,remember Gundam right, all those guns are
the biggest, like like towers likethis buildings. That's why I said life

(01:44:25):
size. This thing is the sizeof a building that means you can walk
inside of it, and like,I'm sure it's like tours and stuff that's
nuts. I don't know, Idon't know. I know, I'm just
building it up. I need tosee I need to go see it in
the person. But I mean,to the point of w W lee World

(01:44:45):
is stuff like does that get addedon to over the years? Do they
keep on adding stuff on? Dothey send legends over there to kind of
tall people? Oh? Yeah,Oh for real, I'm sure. I'm
sure they're gonna send legs they sittingholding over there, going over there and
doing a leg drop you can stay. Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm

(01:45:11):
sure they're gonna like send legends overthere. And then when they have you
know, the Salty Blood Money fiveshow, I'm sure the world is gonna
be the place to be. They'reprobably gonna have that's probably gonna have like
the venues for their math for thoseevents. It's probably gonna be at WWE
World kind of how like w cwUST to film at Universal Studios. Yeah,

(01:45:35):
that's probably what they're gonna do.That'd be smart. But now,
but then they couldn't have those bigass stadium shows. They'd be messing up
their own money doing that. Well, you could do the stadium show,
but you could have superstars over thereall week and and since they're not doing
a house show run that week,they're doing shows at WWE World, Nick,

(01:45:57):
call us please. They could alsoalso it could be like I guess
it's like kind of like creating theterritories again, where they can have a
sauty territory where WWE sets up shopand that that that con money down down
South goes far enough, I'd say, to where if they wanted to get
in that game now, it wouldbe a clusterfuck of sorts because they're now

(01:46:17):
they have no business doing something likethat over at aw but they got the
money. Though technically speaking, theycould see Rigober over there or something.
I don't know, man, ohman, so many ideas, so much
sports ideas. Call us, wecan make this money together, my guy,
please, I don't know. Mypercentages aren't large. Just toss me

(01:46:40):
one percent of whatever you're doing.I don't need a ton. I'm not
greedy, no, not at all. I'm not. I'm not the old
man. I'm not gonna try totake all. I'm not gonna try to
take all the credit ed your buddytoo, No, sir, they need
the credit. Oh man, justgive me one. Give me. We'll
be happy at what I'm doing.Audit Well, ladies and gentlemen, that

(01:47:03):
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