Streaming Wars: Skydance at the Venue

Hen-rods jumps in to help A-Dub break down everything going on in the streaming wars, what that means for consumers and what the immediate future holds for streamers, before getting into some reflection on what they saw in week 1 of Michigan football.... Let's just say it's gonna be a long season

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two one one one. Remember that back in the day,
like you to be making the video and it was like,
now the world premiere of I don't know Lincoln Parks
somewhere I belong only on the ten spot.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
See, I thought you were gonna finish your countdown and
say fight. But okay, because that would have been fitting
for the theme that we're about to jump into.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Right very much. So all right, we'll play. We'll play.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to the Embrace to Turn Up Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Cultural commentary from two guys who want all the smoke,
all the smoke, and now your hosts A dumb and
John John. But all right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
This is the new, new, new, new era of the

(00:56):
Embrace to Turn Up Podcast. I'm your host, ad they
called me to God, they call me the pot tribal Chief.
Today I am your streaming wars expert. And in this
new era, because we're all in our mid thirties now
I check my numbers, I don't have any listeners under
like the age of twenty five, the turnups are different.
They're a little different. Now. We still get out on

(01:16):
these streets, want to say so often, but we got
different turnups. You know, sometimes it's video games. Sometimes it's
you know, the nerd movies. Sometimes it's you know, what's
going on in the streaming wars, which is what we
will be talking about today. We'll be talking about all
the different apps, what's going on with the apps, how
it's just insane out here, and how many apps you

(01:38):
need to watch just one season of NFL football? Answer
is about six. And yeah, if I'm gonna talk about
streaming wars and things of that nature and keeping up
what's going on in the kind of sort of tech industry,
kind of sort of content industry, I had to highlight
my man's ten rods, who's rocking his night, his lines

(02:00):
blue to day, Henry Zi's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
My guy not much. I do feel like you just,
you know, described the entirety of my life in a sentence,
streaming sports, tech, video games. I don't have much else
going on. See screw work right.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
See this is what I called you in. I need
my experts, subject matter experts. It's a real thing. It's
a real thing. You know, you were a part of
the new New New Arrow the pod.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Did you know you told me that you had something
going on and you wanted to try something, And if
I had time this weekend and you're like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
This something, Okay, this is the something you're officially are
streaming Wars Slash Tech Slash video games. When I get
back into it, Slash Cleveland Brown's correspondent.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Do you do you really want that depressingness in your life?
Do we want to talk about the reports of training
camp about Deshaun Watson, because no, we don't.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I hear I hear not good things. I don't. I
don't get a lot of them, but I hear not
good things.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I hear a lot of good things. All right, Well,
glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Couldn't he couldn't look worse than you know the second
pass that or you try?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, he just dirt it. No, I I could have
thrown that out route. And if I can say that,
and I watched what I watched, there's a reason why
he's not turned the ball very often.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, And the funny part about that was in Rods.
And don't worry, guys, we'll get into the meeting of
this content later and don't worry, we'll die more in
Michigan a little bit later. But I just want to
get this part out there. Is I just said in
our group chat. I heard he has really bad accuracy
issues and then he goes out and just cruise it.
I was like, oh shit, I ain't know it was

(03:43):
that bad.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, Like I would have accepted within you know, a
yard or two of catchable, but not actually catchaball. He
put that at least five yards short in the dirt,
like not close.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Like I didn't like if they if Orgy had played
and there was like, yeah, he has, you know, the
same accuracy issues that David Warren had with that deep ball.
I'd be like, let's play Orgy then we'll figure it out.
But yeah, he's dirting that five yard out route. I
look like, let's go on.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I alas, I'm wondering, how long if quarterback play continues
to look like this against the cupcakes of our schedule,
how long until we just burn the red shirt and
put Jade Davis in.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh no, no, no no, no, we just know we just
we go to Orgy and we just start air force playbook. Baby.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I mean, we did it against Penn State last year.
We know we can do it.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, ask you how many times we threw the ball
in the second half.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It was nuts, all right? None we're gonna we're gonna
save the Michigan talk a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, sorry, man, man, the streaming they're heating up. It sucks. Sorry,
I'm not gonna bury the lead. It sucks, all right.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Henry, get give me your give me your full opinion
about like what sucks about it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
We are no longer at the it might end up
worse than cable. We're at the it's worse than cable,
And like, I can't pinpoint exactly when that happened, but
it has clearly happened. And I don't know the solution
going forward because we can't go back to cable. But

(05:39):
this feels unsustainable, mind you. I'm very salty right now
because we have DirecTV. We use streaming app and not
not an actual satellite with Box, but this, oh it's

(06:01):
with Disney. We don't get any ESPN, ABC is off
free Forms, off uh. Any anything Disney owns is no
longer available on DirecTV for the time being. So I
am very salty coming into this conversation.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's damn. I didn't I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, you picked a great, great time for this.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
So not only do we have this dispute going on,
but we have all these different content and all these
different places. You gotta have the Hulu Bundle, you gotta
have your Netflix, you gotta have Peacock.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Prime, you gotta hair them.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Mount, hair Themount. And then guys, this is all called
Apple TV and Apple TV and it is all just
to watch sports. If you just want to keep up
all the sports, yep, and I I have.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, I mean, look, I get it. Most of our
listeners probably aren't baseball fans because they aren't crazy like
I am. But like, there have been Guardians games on
Apple TV and I subscribe to MLBtv, but it doesn't
matter because if they're on Apple TV, you have to
watch them there. So like, even though I'm subscribed to
MLB's official app to watch any game that I want,

(07:18):
if the game's on Apple TV, it's on Apple TV,
and I don't have a choice. It's crazy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's crazy, Like, but like I understand where they're coming
from because they got to find some way to like
to generate cash. And part of these guys relates all
the way back to that law that was passing the
nineteen thirties that Disney was waiting for to expire for
forever which said that content houses that make content cannot

(07:50):
also discribu you that same content. It was a way
to kind of protect the movie houses because the guys
back in the day, back back back in the day
or all eugen z ors the ancient times before you know,
for dial before dial up, before internet was the same
for computers were a thing. Movie theaters were owned by

(08:10):
smaller regional companies and sometimes just owned by your neighbor.
So this law was a way to protect them from
being you know, bought up and just or kicked out
of town. Essentially from the Disney's and the paramounts of
the world. They had to kind of go through them
and to get their content to the people, and then

(08:30):
later on in you know in the world go through
cable companies to get you know, their content to the people.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean super important because movie theaters were far
far bigger deals. Yeah, back when not everyone house had
a TV in it you just watch whatever you wanted
at any time, because if you wanted to get your
entertainment by watching a movie, you had to go to
a movie theaters by going with the winds made so
much money, right.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And like, and it's one of those things of how
Disney got around it to create the Disney Channels and
another or a whole another thing. But granted, granted, they
you know, they couldn't distribute at themselves. They had to
distribute it through a cable provider. And it was one
of those things, if I remember correctly, the law like

(09:13):
kind of expired in the year two thousand, that's sorry,
twenty twenty, and it's one of those things that they
wrote an expiration on it because like you know, in
the thirties, they're like, oh, no, no content house is
gonna be so huge that they'll be able to even
handle the distribution of all of their content. Boy, boy

(09:38):
were they on, Boy were they on?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And when that law you mean people can't predict one
hundred years in the future, no comment on anything else.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, man, When that that law dissipated, ooh yeah, you
started seeing these companies shelter back in their own content,
which is why in the late twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen,
twenty twenty, your Netflix started to look a real bear,
and you're like, what's going on here? Everybody wants your
shit back because everybody's doing their own distribution, you know, forms,

(10:10):
And that's when you see a lot of the new
apps pop up. But again they saw the green, but
they didn't realize how long it would take to get there.
To quote the great Jeff Gogulm in Jurassic Cards, they
were so concerned on what they could do, they didn't
think about what they should do. So that and that's

(10:32):
kind of what leads us to where we are with
why every single network has an app, a lot of
them being shitty, and then now you got the apps
are like, oh shit, we're not making money because they
just thought they thought Netflix was just poorly run, which
is why it didn't make money for so long. And

(10:53):
they were like, no, there's an endgame here, guys. You
guys just are seeing it because you just want to,
you know, have your own stuff, heavy cake and eat
it too. And you're starting to see these apps start
to shutter, and these mergers started to happen. Disney Plus
is merging, you know, merging you know, with Max now
and they got a super bundle that's out there now.

(11:16):
Disney bought Fox to.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Say, I didn't even mention Max earlier, but yeah, necrip
to that too.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Disney you know, Fox was like, oh shit, this really
ain't working and then Disney bought them. I still think
they bought him because Fox wouldn't sell them back all
the rights of those Marvel characters. And Disney was like, fine, fuck.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It, we just bought buy your whole company.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
You're fire. We'll buy everything except for Fox News. We
don't want that. It's messy over there.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And the sports we aren't allowed to take because we
already have ESPN. And then they were sold diamonds and
that's been a whole mess.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And then they went bankrupt yep. And if you want
to whole breakdown on that, go find the sports business
pods that me and VA did a few months ago.
We really get into the nerd minutia of that one
as well. And now we're at this point now we're paramount,
one of the one of the most misdvantaged companies in

(12:13):
entertainment today has been searching for I guess a bio
partner slash merger. And everybody you know that's hopped in
has like hopped in and they we're like, they've looked
at the books and they're like, no, yeah, I'm good.
Fubo TV being the latest on the CEO over there,

(12:35):
who will talk about football later as well. They looked
into it, and then the CEO is really interested in it,
but he had problems raising the fund with his capital
partners because again the money people start looking at this
and they're like, yeah, this isn't this isn't a good investment.
Like Paramount just had a six billion dollar right down

(12:56):
in their books for cable television because linear cable tells
vision isn't working anymore. And now hen rodz we rab
at sky Dance, give me, give me your thoughts of
Skydance the production company merging slash buying Paramount. Finally, I mean,

(13:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Trying to think of a way to work this as
a production company than the itself, like the movies it
produces I enjoy. I don't know if that decision making
has much to do with the decision making on the
more economics side, where you know, they're signing off on

(13:43):
business deals and then more so than that, what they
are planning on doing in the future with those business
deals or with that with that business deal, if they
can find a way to you know, as a production company,
I'm assuming, I'm assuming they are flush with cash considering
some of the movies they've made. Permission Impossible franchise, the
Star Trek franchise, the newer the you know, Star Trek

(14:04):
reboot is under there, uh is Jack Bryan. The movies
I don't know about the TV series movies are sky Dance.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So like as a production company, they they seem to
be making money and doing very well with it. If they,
you know, look at acquiring this streaming service and applying
some of uh, you know, what they've learned through their

(14:34):
production and throwing money at good projects for it, then sure,
but I think a I think the branding will have
to change because everyone knows how terrible it is right now,
and I don't know how you say we've changed. Uh

(14:57):
one of the best ways to do that is obviously
name change, you know, new and improved whatever. And then
it's just like Netflix, they'll need to find their own
version of a hit show right for you know, all
the problems that we know about Kevin Spacey. House of

(15:18):
Cards was the first big, big thing on Netflix that
they produced themselves and really jump started, you know, their
rise to actually making a profit. So how how good
are the projects they're gonna put on They're gonna be well?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean, Paramount does own you know, the rights to
a crap ton of like, you know, content that could
make a lot of money. You know, you think about
the Ninja Turtles, you know, you think about.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, what was that new one that was supposed to
be pretty good all the animated want Yeah, the one
was like the Spider versus Our Style.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I watched it.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
It was very good. Nice mold me. It's really good
as well.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, it's very very entertaining, very very New York centric too.
This is the first time like the Turtles feel like,
you know, kids from New York. It was really I
had a lot of fun watching it. But they owned that.
They got g I Joe, which apparently sky Dance is
working on that next movie now, which as we know,

(16:25):
is gonna involve Anthony Ramos's character from the last Transformers movie.
I don't just think that Paramount owns. But then they
also have they also have CBS proper, yeah, which you know,
they got the news, but then they have like.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
This is yeah, they have all this content.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
The n CIS is the Big Bang, theories, all of
that stuff that's like catered to this audience that, for
lack of a better term, isn't the audience of a
streaming network. I'm trying to be nice here.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, I give it. I'm picking up herrick down.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
You get what I'm saying here. Yes, So, like they
have to, they have to figure out what to do there.
And I think to me, CBS is going through like
an entire rebrand, just CBS proper because the current customer
base is in their eighties and nineties.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Hey, now my mom's in her sixties.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, outliers aside, outliers inside like that, that customer base
won't be here for the next election.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
For being honest, Sorry, I do have to depend my
mom on for a second. She does like her prestige
to TV as well. She likes mad Men, she likes
Game of Thrones, she likes the Americans, she likes Friday
Night Lights, all of the abuts.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
But she heard that part of that generation that likes,
you know, easy watch TV, which yes, I get it.
And there's a report out that like streaming services are
looking back to going back to some of that easy
watch TV versus the you gotta be locked in all
the time, which is so ironic of how they came

(18:08):
about they came to prominence. I find that hilarious. Yeah,
I think CBS needs to go through a full rebrand
of sky Dance. I mean, you know you can. You
can keep maybe one n CIS and keep one of
the FBI shells because big Wolf shows just make money.
They print money essentially.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Uh so you say that, but there, I just saw
an ad for a an NCIS prequel of Jethrow Grant
Gips when he was younger, see hair going full end
like that is their fifth or sixth and n CIS
was a offshoot JAG. So if you want to count.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That about JAG oh Man.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, anyway, sorry, CBS, the n CIS channel or the
Letters channel as I like to call it, the letter
Acronyms channel, whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
There you go. Yeah, when I think about CBS, I
think about AFC football, old people shows in sixty minutes,
and that's that's got to change because that's what I
think about it. I can't imagine what gen Z thinks
about it. And speaking of gen Z, Paramount has a

(19:25):
whole host of networks that day from from Viacom that
gen Z grew up with. That boy, that to me,
that's the cash cow and this whole thing. You start
talking about the Nickelodeons, the you know trying to think
git just Nickelodeon in general, all just all of those channels,

(19:47):
the mtvs which needs a desperate rebrand.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Oh yeah, YouTube kind of ate their lunch, should never
give it back.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, and like and those networks that can, like can
capture an even younger even like an even younger fan
base of gen Z gen Alpha, because the reports are
on out now that gen Z gets more of their
content from YouTube than anywhere else. So we've already lost them.
We've already lost him, and it's been a good luck

(20:15):
everybody trying to get him back. But that you you
can find a way to like captivate gen Alpha and
get them back in front of the television, then that
makes this whole thing worth it. And also they got
to sell the YouTube too.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, so sort of going to your gen Z point,
I would be very interested to know it, Like, what
is the most watched TV show among amongst that age group,
because like, as we've seen, short form content is really
the only thing exploding right now amongst them. Shorts on Instagram,

(20:53):
shorts on YouTube, and obviously TikTok that's what they consume.
How do you any of them back to watching a
half an hour show let alone an hour long show
and really locking in.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
So you're saying we should probably like call Seth Green
and say, hey, it's time to read law for robot Chicken. Bro.
You you have the audience of a full generation of
ADHD kids who will watch these thirty second clips that
you put together with Tolways.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, it's there.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
We can print money now. The technology is better, Like
come on, come on, my guy.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Maybe, like I don't think, I don't want to say
the traditional TV is going anywhere, But what do you
do if that that form of content just keeps dwindling
in terms of you count.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
You you got you spend the money on like what
gets viewers and another reason I'm glad I got you
on here hen rods. Netflix kind of figures this out
pretty quickly and like and they want to dip their
toe into like live sports and like. And as we're

(22:12):
recording the day, the Kobyashi versus what's my man? That
thing just ended like an hour or so ago, Joey
chesterna ate eighty three hot dogs, disgusting.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Or just had him on.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
By the way I listened to it, that was great
enough to love South to Papa, we're both big fans
over here, yes, but like they figured that out. And again,
that's live competition. I don't want to call it. I
don't want to call it sport, but yeah, competition. And
then like, and they also just gave the w E

(22:51):
ten billion dollars for Monday Night Raw and that's gonna
start January first. And I always saw people like the
close thing you'll get to sport that needs to be
live viewing now is wrestling. I think the next domino
to fallen that is the sports.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Maybe I don't know though, Like esports is so entrenched
on Twitch, right, and obviously the viewer base isn't near
what it could be as somebody who watches a ton
of esports, you know, a really high number is one
hundred thousand to two hundred thousand, right, You're not talking

(23:35):
about the millions of eyes that you might get on Netflix.
But I feel like ESPN has also tried that they
had a Heroes of the Storm tournament on there at
some point. I want to say it was back when
Michelle Beatle was there. She might have been calling it

(23:56):
or I know that she knew about it in some
form because I saw her tweet on Twitter about it
it's still Twitter pashek uh. But yeah, like I don't
remember what time it was on, so obviously that might
have had some sort of impact on deership. And I

(24:16):
don't think it did well. And and so I don't
know if Netflix is really where you're going to pull
them to.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I guess at that point what point was Paramount used
to do that is esports? Yeah, like with the sky
Dance merger, part of the you know, the big rebrand
you suggested it was, hey, not only are we your
home for you know, the AFC brvalon that that last
because god knows when that TV deals up money, but

(24:53):
we are now your home for all esports, like the
way the way Peacock is doing on with like you know,
UEFA and like the other soccer league like right, they don't,
they don't pub it crazy, but those who know no,
like hey right here.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's like Apple with MLB, Amazon with NBA coming up.
So yeah, I get what you're saying. The other issue
that I think you'd run into there into with there
is how global esports is versus you know, I don't
want to say that the other sports aren't, but the
other sports have a giant audience US based anyway, those

(25:32):
one hundred to two hundred thousand that I'm talking about
on Twitch are from all around the globe, and you know,
some of the biggest esports audiences are South Korea and China.
How does Paramount get into there if that's what they're
If they're going to get into esports that like that,

(25:52):
That's kind of the issue that I have with it
with the idea. I don't think it's terrible, but you
can't you know, sell yourself over there. Plus what's the
reaction going to be from them when they were watching
esports for free and now they have to pay for it?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Right? So yeah, you're you're right, But like I think
if I was running sky Dance, I would take that
bet cause, like I think, one of the only places
now that I see still running esports shows is ESPN,
and it's like late at nights that I tells me
they don't value it that much. I can probably outbid

(26:33):
them for this, And in addition to like having it
on my streaming network, I can put it on some
of these like other places. Again, you put it on
you know what, you know what Snick is now. Snick
is two of their shows with like you know Live
Action people and then Esports boom right there. Yeah, you

(26:58):
put it on, you put it on MTV at after
ninety five hours of Rob Derdu's ridiculousness, because that's all
they show. It's ridiculous. It's actually ridiculous. Boom. We got
Esports tonight right before Team Mom twelve and like you
sandwich it in and then you again you have it

(27:18):
as it's also premium product that you know, even if
you don't have access to Nickelodeon on one of those
other channels, you can still watch it. And then I
would make bet that like these international people, they be
like a couple bucks a month and I can watch
all the sports in one centralized area. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
The other thing is obviously, like there is no centralized esports.
What am I thinking? I can't think of the word
right now, Like the NCAAA, There is no NCAAA V
Sports or MLB or any of the other weeks. Right,
They're all individual So you've got your counter Strike league,
you've got your overwatched league, and they're not under the

(28:03):
same banner. Obviously. League of Legends runs their championship series
and in different they are under different banners in different countries.
The LAC runs it in Europe, LCS runs it here
in the US, LPL in China. I don't remember what

(28:24):
the l E C or No that sorry, that was
Europe anyway. So you're not just looking at going to
riot and saying, hey, can I stream all of this?
You're going to each individual thing because they're all their
own and saying all right, I need rights, I need rights,
I need rights from all these different things. So you
have to make four different deals for one game, plus

(28:47):
then you've got all the other tournaments, right, they just
ran a tournament in Saudi Arabia. It's like the World
Series v Sports or something like that that had multiple
different games there. Do you need to you know, do
you make a deal with the you AE or or
do you make a deal with each game individually? Do you?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
But I mean with these different like organizations that run
it in each country, if I bring you all to
the table, then I can, you know, just offer you
this big bag of money versus me going to each
one of you, and then it becomes almost like the
QB market in the NFL. Well, it's your If the

(29:33):
euro of League of Legends is getting that, we're America
we want more money. Well, why you guys don't win less?
We're America, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
The US has only ever won World once. I think,
because yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
If I bring you all to the table and say, hey,
you want to blow up your sport, you want you
want your players to get rich and you to get rich,
you need more eyeballs, right, m here's a bag of money.
Here's another bag of money. Let's get some eyeballs and
then guess what we all we all win.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, it'd be interesting, we all win. My other fears,
I personally think that esports viewership is sort of stabilized,
but it'd be again, that's that's because of you know,
everyone wears noshere to find it. It's on Twitch, and
I don't know if that would change if you you know,
threw it on.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Paramount see that. Yeah, I disagree there. I think esports
viewership is stabilized because of where it is. I think
if you make it widely accessible, those who didn't like
go seek it out but would watch, we'll find it.
Like that's one That's one of the big things about

(30:52):
like all sports is the casual fan. Yeah, like ESPN
was able to like balance the Hey, we got stuff
for you sickos, but we also have Sports Center at
five o'clock for the casual fan as well. That's fair,
you give, and they're like, yeah, and all sports exploded
from there.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The other fear that I'm sorry, I know we've gone
on a long time on esports. I promise I'll jump
off of it. But my other fear with it is
just how intricate some of these games are and how
how much downtime there can be. There is regularly a
five to ten minute span in League of Legends where
you will do nothing but watch people farm. They'll kill

(31:38):
their minions. There will be very few skirmishes because at
high level League Legends, you fighter were objectives. You don't
just fight to fight, and those objectives spawn every five
to ten minutes, and so in the late game, if
there's not an objective up, you're not fighting, and that
can be very boring for people.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So okay, So so for that, you know, it might
not draw in as many casuals.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But for Counterstrike is super easy to understand.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yes, But I will say on that same note is
you have an audience that had we have not been
able to get to sports at all, that are willing
to sit there and watch that five to ten minutes
of farming. But you know what they're not doing. They're
not watching changing pictures in baseball. Yeah, and they are
sick of the stop and starts in football, which is

(32:29):
is part of the reason that gen Z really loves
basketball because there's constant motion, yep. And they are you know,
they're tending trending away from football, definitely away from baseball.
It's soccer, it's basketball, it's lacrosse like and I'm telling
you but if you can. But for some reason in
East sports, they'll they'll sit through those breaks, so not

(32:52):
much really happening to fair.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
They're not breaks. It's not like they stop playing the games,
not doing anything interesting.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you have that interesting
dichotomy there. And if I'm Skydance, I like, fuck it,
I don't understand it, but I'm gonna sign up for
this one like right away. But you know it's funny.
Were mentioned as sports, and there's something else going on
in sports as well. All of the big streamers who
have the sports rights. We're talking about Max, We're talking

(33:22):
about Disney and said Disney and Hulu and Peacock and
they were all gonna get together, cool together, there's sports
into one app, and it was gonna be called Venue,
great name, great name. I'm sure it tested well, but

(33:44):
it was shot down, shot down in federal court. The
owners of Fubo TV, the guys who just backed out
of the paramount deal, actually said, hey, this looks like
a monopoly. They're just gonna keep lyight sings things to
each other for really low deals because we're all on
this one venue app that was going to be forty

(34:06):
three bucks, and I don't think this is good for
the consumer. And the federal judge was like, no, you
got a point there, and completely shot that down. Henra
does somebody who's going through it with ESPs, last Disney
right now, how you feel?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I feel like this is a really hard not your
question itself, but the question of how to handle this
moving forward is one really hard one that's really hard
to answer because for the consumer, being able to buy
one thing that has all the stuff that you want,
Oh hey, look we're talking about cable again would be

(34:53):
very nice, wouldn't it. Being able to say I want
to watch all the sports. I don't care about the
acronym shows on CBS, I can get my prestige shows.
You know, somehow, maybe I buy one other streamer that
has a lot of shows that I like. Being able
to just have that one thing instead of having to

(35:14):
subscribe to all of them in order to watch one
season of football, because if you are not subscribed to
at least four different things, I believe you can't watch
a full season would be very nice. On the other hand,
they're right, that would be a monop way because there
is only one place to buy it and watch it,

(35:39):
and because there's only one place, they could jack up
the price at any time. And so at what point
does it become not worth it for you to have
that one thing because it's so expensive that you're now
paying the same price as you did for the other
four things that you used to have. And given how
every single streamer has only ever gone up in price,
I don't see that one thing staying stable at forty

(36:02):
whatever dollars you just said.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Oh no, not at all, right, partially when when you
think about like the idea that this is based on,
you know, sports. The one thing we know about sports
is the TV deals keep increasing every single year. Adam
Silver went out there and said, yeah, we're getting double
in the last number week got and guess what he
got it. Yep, he got it and wasn't He wasn't

(36:25):
worried for one second. He said, oh, we're up to
have four TV partners now, cool, no problem. Penrod's in
the in the presiding judges like opinion on this case.
One of the funny things that like people are coming
out and saying like, so, how do you, you know,
do a deal like this, but like you have to

(36:47):
do it through like an intermediary, like a cable company
like a Comcast or a Direct TV or a I
don't know if the other able companies are anymore of
my brains farady, but yeah, I'm not sure. It's like
it's just so funny to me, like everybody was shutting
their content to put it out on their own and

(37:08):
then realize how difficult it was, and then courts are like, hey,
you guys can't just get together and just put this
content out. They're like, but that's how it was before,
and they were like, but yeah, but you guys weren't
doing it. You guys can't do that. That'd be crazy,
that'd be like illegal, And they're like, well, tell them
to stop charging us so much money for the sports.

(37:30):
They're like, stop fucking paying it, and they're like, well
we can't. That's the only thing that gets users. So
we we're just back at cable.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I mean, we're not going back to cable. Let's be honest.
You can't put the genie back to the bottle. Uh,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think you can.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You think, I mean Netflix is staying. Netflix makes all
the money right now. Yeah, they are the problem. After one,
as long as they have cash to burn, they're gonna
keep throwing money. And it might be good money after bad,
but they're gonna keep trying. Yeah, all the other ones.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I think kind of where we're at now is as
kind of cable started to die, you started seeing cable
companies kind of get bought up, like you know, NBC
Universal owns Comcast trying to think. I mean think Dish

(38:34):
and Direct to be kind of merged. Exfinity is owned
by Verizon. So like, I think there's a path back
to cable, but I think it's gonna be through these
tech companies, the guys who just they have infinite money essentially,
like Apple's not worried about anything. They they'll put out

(38:57):
a new phone and they'll make back all the money
they Google's on Apple TV in a day. Yeah, Google,
they could raise the price of you know, Google Ads
for a penny for everybody and then make back all
the money they would lose on anything else in a day.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Google has Sorry this is off topic, but Google has
started so many projects that they just bury.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Like Google Glass.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Do you know Google had a a gaming console yeah,
the Stadia.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah studio.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, and they just all right, well this is making money.
Shudder that it worked, We're out of here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So like they won't hab Google hangouts.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah what was their Facebook answer?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, they had a Facebook. They don't anymore. Yeah, so yeah,
Like you're right. Google has a history of trying things
and failing and just shuddering up and moving on like
they have enough money to do so, I mean you
might be right, Like, obviously, now the one of us

(40:10):
are gonna sit here and say we can predict the future.
But yeah, what if what if the NBA just all right,
we're gonna cut a deal with Netflix, Disney and Max
and all of our games are gonna be available on
each service. And then you've got to go. You know,
you pick the service that you want, your games are
just there. They're all gonna get more expensive if they

(40:31):
do that. And then guess what if you add the
NFL on top of that, and then you add MLB
and soccer, each one's gonna get more expensive and soon
you're gonna be paying one hundred and twenty bucks for
Disney Plus, just like you did for Campbell.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
But then if I come to you, as creepy Jeff
Bezos and say, hey, you know you're paying one hundred
and twenty bucks for on those apps, Hey buddy, why
don't you pay sixty bucks Amazon Crime and get all
of that shit and two day shipping and everything on
my store, which is everything in the world.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
What you say, see, And that's free market, right that
that is, that is what that is if and that's
what cable was until it failed, And that's that's how
the free market is supposed to work. That gets a
little bit more into politics than we're going to go
into right now. But yeah, the the entire hope is

(41:23):
that if you know, if everything is available on everything,
prices go down, supposedly because people just jump ship to
the cheapest thing. And if you're a little bit better,
then maybe they're going to be willing to pay a
little bit more.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
And everybody realized like, hey, I don't want everything, and
then they thought, I think it's just cheaper for me
to have the things I want. It was for like
five minutes until everybody realized that they all have niche audiences,
and they're like, well, what if we do all charged
our niche audiences ten bucks a month?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And then what if we all start making shows that
are really good and people want to watch and then
they have to subscribe to us. Oh, and now we're
back paying you know however much it is for all
the subscriptions.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
That we have, And now we're back to Hey, somebody
comes save us from all this content house greed. And
you know, the guys who used to run comcasts are
sitting back smoking their cigars, like fucking told you guys
all of it, for all of it.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Pick Like, are we just in an unending cycle until
somebody breaks it? Then?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, because what's gonna happen is one of the companies
tech companies is gonna get together and get all of it,
and then they're gonna have, like, you know, the money
to be able like to survive, you know, the price
difference that it really needs to be. And then they're
gonna be like, hey, you know what, you know what
you can also do. You can like, you can just
pick the show you want and just watch those whenever

(43:01):
you want. But we got everything else too, and then
somebody's gonna be like, I just want these shows, and
then is gonna be like, so you you just want myself? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
So what I'm saying is we got rid of cable,
which was you pay one price, you get all the
TV channels to go to this individualized content houses where
we're paying for quote what we want, which, unfortunately, because
of you know the nature of people. If you have
something good, we want something good. So we're gonna pay
for all of them. And then you're saying, well, one

(43:36):
one place is just gonna buy it all up, and
then we're gonna go back to paying one price to
get everything. And then it's gonna go back to well,
now you can just pay for what you want. And
so we're just in this back and forth cycle until somebody,
somebody comes up with something better.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I think that's what's gonna end up happening, is we're
gonna be in that cycle. At some point somebody's gonna
have like The Next Wire or Sopranos no excuse me,
the Next Wire and Sopranos and Thrones at the same
time on their network, and then people are gonna start asking.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But I just want that network, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I just want this and I want my sports, and
then that network is gonna get greedy sort of, you know,
the second or new cable dealers up nobody, Hey, HBO
Max super Max super Max sounds crazy, but not a
not a prison, guys, it's a streaming company. On that day,

(44:31):
it's only it's only nine bucks a month. Come on
over here, and they're like, well, hey, hey, I don't
I don't want the rest of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
But see, this show is super expensive to produce, and
we're creating like two new shows. We're bumped up to
twelve bucks a month, you guys, three dollars bumped though, right.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, production values are fine.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah yeah, oh hey, look we're right back.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I think I I think that's kind of what's gonna
end up happening like. And you remember it in the
beginning times, it was it was great. Netflix was great,
who Hulu was great when you couldn't you know, catch
your shows live, and then they had a couple of
prestige shows. They were picking up the FX stuff, which
was great. And then for a guy like me, they

(45:19):
launch a ww network for ten bucks a month, which
I still say was the best value in entertainment. To
get twelve sixty dollars pay per views a month a
year and the entire wrestling back catalog for ten bucks
a month. That was the greatest value play ever. And
then they were like, yeah, this is you know, this

(45:39):
network is going good and everything. We're making money, but
this is a lot to upkeep. Hey, hey, Peacock, you
guys want this, Yeah, we'll give you a billion dollars
for it. Oh okay, yeah, to ask me twice. And
then that made Peacock the most valuable buye in like
in streaming to me, even though the app itself sucked
for a long long time. You had all that NBC

(46:02):
back catalog and an O W E catalog and you know,
the UA for soccer, and then they started adding Peacock
excolulsive football games and you were like, six months this
was great. Yeah, but yeah, this this is kind of
where we're at. We're in this in the cycle of streamers,
cable streamers, cable streamers, cable. But yes, it's getting crazy

(46:28):
out here.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And then you've got soccers like me that uh need
the original sports networks and so just subbed to both.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Oh that's a that's a whole another thing. Me and
b again got into that on the on the sports
edition of the Embrace to Turn Up where we talked
sports biz, and yeah, the whole regional networks thing.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, it's something.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, it's it's a thing. It's the thing. Speaking of
regional sports, the Big Ten is now no longer a
regional sport.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
College football is trying to no original sport. Yeah, your
regional fandom obviously is, but your conference is no longer
that in the least, and.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Especially at the Big Ten because Big ten goes from
c to Shining Sea. Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah that's the thing. I'm gonna be out in Big
ten country later this week.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, you're you're never out of Big ten country now,
hen Rod. Ever, unless you go to the Deep South
or the middle of the country where there's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Well, Nebraska is still a Big ten country.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Oh you're right. Oh yeah, yeah, So unless you're in
Texas under Deep South, you're always a Big ten country.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
There's this narrow strip along the Rockies and then straight
across the South. That's about it, from.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Rutgers to UCLA. Yeah, easy, hen Roy. So I saw
stat the other day about Cal who is now in
Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I think, alright, I don't remember. The alignment is so screwy.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
But anyways, so to play all of their football games
this year.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Are you ready for the steps? Sure, they're in the ACC.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
That's what it is. That's why it's so crazy. Yeah,
they're in ACC.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So for the record, CAL stands for California, not on
the Atlantic coast.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
To play all of their football games in air and
air mile travel, cow will have to travel the distance
that is one less mile than the entire circumference of
the Earth.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah, who needs school?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
They gotta fly around the whole planet. Essensible. No.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
One of my friends when when this was all going on,
we were talking about it, and I mentioned something that
triggered this realization. This realignment is not just about football.
It's just about football, but it's not just for football.
Like the baseball team has to travel to the ACC
to go play, like yeah, and they play a lot

(49:26):
more than than the football team does. Who's you know,
one week or you know, half their games are at
home anyway, and then they've got six games on the
road or whatever it is, one two, three, four or five, six, seven,
seven games on the road.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
We're going to see like a lot of schools start five.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I missed it. They have five road games. Yeah, so like, yeah,
they're traveling a decent amount, but it's still football. They're
gonna play you know, half their games, half of their
twelve games at home. A baseball team, no, that's like
a thirty game season, and they're gonna have series, full
series out on the Atlantic coast, where like there there's

(50:09):
no shot that uh, you know, they could fly out
to a series for three games, fly back home, and
then the next weekend have to fly back out and
stay for another three game series cross country just over
and over.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, yep, so it is.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Because money money, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, or you know, like I used baseball, just because
you know, full series time, they'll miss classes. There's middle
of the week games in basketball. What they're going to
be expected to be in class on Monday, be in
uh Florida on Wednesday, and be back in class on Friday.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, I mean essentially, yeah, this is why they deserve
all the money they get. But yeah, but like honestly,
hen Roy's like what schools are looking into into the
future is for the non revenue sports to kind of
pot them and like say, hey, you only play games

(51:19):
in your region, which is the whole point of conference.
Is in the FU their first place. Yeah, but hey whatever,
but that that's kind of I mean, I don't know
if it's gonna happen like this coming season. I mean,
I guess really Cal and Cal's one team that has
to really worry about it. Oregon got the money, USC

(51:42):
got the money. They'll figure it out, right, but callum
Utah to the teams and Oregon State are team's really
gonna like figure it out. But and of course the
team's out here, like you know, ruggers ain't got the
money for you know, all their teams to be going
up in Oregon. Yeah, but that that's kind of the

(52:04):
player they're looking at in the future.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Also reminder, Oregon State's still in the PAX.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Twelve by themselves with Washington State. Oh huh, shout out
that that Washington State flag. It's always a way that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, the two team conference.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, I don't know who to bet on.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
What do you do when you're just homeless as a
football team?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah, that's that's kind of hurt. Like Oregon State should
like they should have came to Oregon.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Couldn't join the Independence go hang out with uh Notre
Dame and b y U is b YU independent?

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Uh? I thought could be wrong. It used to be.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
No Massachusetts and Yukon and the other two independents.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Okay, yeah, because Yukon's out here, Like yeah, man, I'm
don't give a fuck about football. Last player was Dan
or Lawsky. I don't care about football over here.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
They had a really good running back too, didn't I
can't remember who it was, but I want to say
they had a really good running back within like last
fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
That was a ring of bell. But I brought this
up because we are back in football season. We just
sat through a Michigan game. Does this feel a lot
like that last year Hassan Haskins was there. Where we're
gonna win games, it's not gonna look good, it's gonna

(53:49):
be frustrating, and we're just gonna have to kind of
grid our teeth. Yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I saw somebody on Twitter. Compare this game to the
BG game last year, where we play like trash and
still win by twenty BG game, we were turning the
ball over like, we played sloppily, like taking care of
the ball, and I feel like that's why we think
about that game in the.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Way we do.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, that wasn't the case of this game. Though. We
weren't turning the ball over, We weren't just giving them
chances and then stopping on. We just played poorly, playing
our game fairly clean. And that's what's worrying to me.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I mean, I think what was really worrying to me
is like none of our none of our wide receivers
really looked like world beaters on a team where like
and Donnie's not breaking tacks, so.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Now no real Mullings. Mulleyings looked like the number one back.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, but like, but is the thing is to like again,
he's like the San Haskes. It's just body punches, yeah,
all day, all day. If you watch if you watch
Molins in the fourth quart a game, he looks like
it looks like a world beater.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, because our offensive line eventually just wore them down.
Like you said, body punch after body punch. But we're
not throwing Haymakers to the face. No, and we can't
right now like what JJ did on that final drive
against Alabama. No shot, anyone on this team can do
that right now. And I know that's unfair. We're comparing

(55:34):
them to you know, JJ McCarthy who went thirty and
one or whatever. It's the starter. It's not that high,
but some stupid number and one loss. Yeah, so it's
not fair to use him as a comparison point. And
we knew that it was going to be a down
grade of a year and that you know, you lose

(55:56):
that many players to the NFL Draft, obviously your your
talents is going to go down. But we got a
long way to go if.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
We I mean, I think one of the things that
really worries me is that a lot of these kids
they played a lot the past couple of years because
we were blowing teams out, and like you're like, uh,
and Fresnel States score ten points on us. Yeah, Like,
don't get me wrong. They present States a good team.
They won ten games every year the past like seven years,

(56:32):
and they're not afraid to go in there with the
big boys. But in the National championship here. You know
what I'm saying, how do you feel about Davis warning
is it? Do we give them another game?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Do we? I mean, the problem is we saw what
happens when Orgy tries to pass right, Like I know,
we talked about it beginning to the podcast. The Bears
say again he had no perceiver, and yeah, he was
kind of on the run to his right and spiked
it five yards in front.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Of the guy end of the third. Like I couldn't
believe it.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
If there's no passing game with Orgy, I don't see
how you can play him, like I understand. And the
unfortunate thing because even with Warren Davis back there, we
took one shot. It was terrible, and then we through
screens all day or through five yard routes.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
No, we know we have more than one deep shot.
With with Davis Warren, we had like three of them.
He just missed the guy every single time, all right, well,
which which again, like I mean, I think the first one,
I think he just kind of overthrew this guy, and
then the other ones he was they were just all yeah,

(57:55):
And I'm like that looks fixable. With like time and reps,
od just darting one on an out where I'm like,
uh yeah. And you know the scary part about that
is everybody in Michigan say says he's leagues better as
a passer than he was when he got there, And

(58:16):
I was like, so what was he when he got there? Good? God? Yeah,
And then the announcers were like, yeah, coming into Michigan,
he was a fifty four percent passer in high school.
I'm like, how did he what fifty four for? What? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
How did how did he end up here?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Like at that point, like I want to call it
hard ball? And I'm like, I know how much you
like running the ball? Were you getting ready to install
the wildcat?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Like I need what he is here for?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Like because like that's fine, but I really need to know.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I just need to know, Like, yeah, I'm I'll be
totally cool with it if that was your plan. And
like you were like morphing, you know, recruiting into that
you were, you know, getting some more nimble line men.
But like, I just need to know that you because
you went out there and recruited a fifty four percent
high school passer to come to Michigan. What was what

(59:16):
was the game plan here? Because I mean over wrong.
When he's running, he looks like the type of guy
that's going back to have corners making business decisions. But
if there's no threat of the past, you can start
putting some safeties up in that box. Safeties don't make
business decisions, they just go out and hit people, right.

(59:39):
So that again that that's one of my big worries
as well. Defense still looks pretty stout, now, you lie.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, I obviously I wasn't happy that we gave up
points at all. Uh, and we could have given up
more if not for a bad pass whennot Uh, oh
my gosh, Will Johnson got burnt the end zone on
the double new.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, but set up forward to see that game, I'll
tell you that much. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Absolutely, he's so good. He's like, he's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna suck to lose him because
the young corners don't look ready for anything. Hen Ryd's
I think my biggest like frustration throughout that entire game,
besides Davis Warner Alex Riginly not looking like quarterbacks yet,

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was Wink Martindale's play calling at the end of game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Like your text to our group chat had the like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I've seen this this Tampa two. Keep everything in front
of you, defensive philosophy more games in the NFL than
anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, it's my least favorite thing in the world watching
essentially a prevent defense co out there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I think Herr Metwards once said when you play prevent,
all you do is prevent yourself from winning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yep. I don't know if it was her, but I've
definitely heard that. Yeah, I think about what that's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
So true and like, and I get it in the
NFL to a degree, But in college, in college, when
you're playing a team, when you're playing down, when you're
playing a team that is so much less talented than you, No, no,
you get you get in your guy's face to say,
go out there and win. Put this game away right now. Like,

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and that's what they drove all the way up the
field because Presdo State's quarterback is a smart guy. He's like, oh, okay,
everything under is open. Cool, they're playing ten yards back.
Cool And like, had it not been for Will Johnson
taking a risk and jumping that screen and Will Johnson

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misses that interception, they score another touchdown, probably because they're
because there was no safety back there and that now
wide receivers had paid her in front of him. So
and that's my thing, Like if you if you got
the dogs out there, just get them out there and
say make some plays, jam them off the line, and
just get I mean, you know, at this point, we

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know how to you know, the Michigan lines work. They
beat you up all game, and then the fourth quarter
they start sacking the quarterback more, they start forcing the
quarterback to run and make mistakes. Yeah, and that's what
they do against Big ten opponents and what they did
against Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
You do the same thing against Fresno State. You don't.
You don't back off and play prevent against a team
that's not as talented as you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, I mean the entire game. In all fairness, we
didn't have three picks on that drive. Yeah, so something
was going right. It's just a matter of, you know,
actually converting the picks. One was dropped, one stupid penalty
brought it back. It was ticky tack, but it was
done to touch in and the third one obviously Will

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Johnson House.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I don't know. I just I'm not a fan of
playing prevent defense ever. Ever, Like if I started playing
mad and again, I would just find a way to
get that play out of my playbook.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Like, yeah, I've always hated it as well. I will
never understand running the pre man. I've heard the rationalization,
don't get it wrong. It's not that I haven't heard
why people do it. I just think it's strong call,
which doesn't mean much because they obviously get paid far

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more money than I do to make those decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
So you know, again, I get it. I get why
you do it. I don't get why you did it.
Here fair likely we're wrong. Next week we're up against Texas.
Some by some miracle, prove.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It, please, I'm hoping to not be watching that game
at all. To be honest with you, I'm watching it.
I hope that we have plans on Saturday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I refuse, I'm not watching it. I'm protected my mental health.
I'm not watching that game now. The next week when
we play I think is Arkansas day huh? Right in
front of the TV buddy. Within the week after when
we play usc H I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I don't feel great about that. After USC beat LSU,
I don't feel great about that to begin with, but
especially after.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
USC beat LSU, Can we talk about LSU?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Let me talk about the game or the reaction after
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Can we just talk about Brian Kelly? Is he a fraud?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Oh? I mean, Jerry will tell you yes. Every time
he mentioned his name, Like what what was it from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Central Michigan to Cincinnati. It's Notre Dame, yep, Like it
feels like he left Cincinnati the moment he realized that
it wasn't gonna be great anymore. And then in Notre
Dame he just kind of he took one of he
took one of Charlie Weiss's teams to that championship, let's
be honest. And then after that, like it was just

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mediocrity after mediocrety after mediocrity, and then because he was
the name, and LSU was just sick of ed Oderon
and his ship. If you want to read about his ship,
let me tell you ed Oldron was a wild boy.
Like if I didn't know beforehand that ed Oduron came
up into like the Cocaine University of Miami days, you

(01:06:02):
will after reading all of stuff ed Odern was going.
But again, because they wanted to get him out of
here is let's find a name. It's like Ryan Kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, definitely a name.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Is he just a good recruiter and not like a
great coach?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Maybe, like winning a championship is hard, but let's start
winning a championship is very hard. Uh So I can't
say that you know, he's a complete failure just because
he hasn't but yeah, it seems like he's got a

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lot of talent every year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Granted, now he's in a conference with Georgia and Alabama
good luck, right, but it hasn't been done at LSU,
So it's not like it's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I guess my thing is with Brian Kelly is this
is his second stop in a place to where he
has unlimited resources. Right, Yes, like in Cincinnati, it's a
good school, good program, but there's a number written on
the end of that check in the checkbook.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, it's like Urban at BG and then Utah. Right,
there's a cap at what you can do there. The
Alex Smith years is the cap of Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I mean even even Urban at Florida, like Florida at
that point wasn't like a powerhouse in football. There was
there's a cap on that check. But then you know
when Urban did what he did there? Yeah, like whoever
came like right after Urban, there was no cap on
their checkbook. But again that's what you see with like

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with the great coaches, like shit, even when Jim got
to Michigan, there was a cap on his checkbook because
the moment is cheap. And Jim was like, I want
to make this happen just on sheer, pride and you know,
enthusiasm unknown de man kind alone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, and he did it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
But like you look at Brian Kelly, he walked in
a Notre Dame and guess what open checkbook. We got it,
we got it, and he put together a couple you know,
of good recruiting classes. Again that team he took to
the national championship, that was Charlie Whis's team. To Charlie Wiss,
I think he's still getting checks from Kansas to this day.

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But you look at LSU and you're like, what have
you done since you've been here outside of faking accent?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
To be fair, he's also not the first person to
do that. Nothing South and all of a sudden start
faking an accent down there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
No, But like I don't know, I think when Brian
Kelly starts like losing to Lane Kiffin, repeatedly and then
cam beat cam to boards at all because we all
know Kirby Smart is going to wipe the floor with him. Yeah,
it might be time to starty to having some real conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Speaking of though, Alabama looks like they didn't lose a
step under him, Like I get it there. There weren't
playing anybody good, but they did what Alabama does.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
They let all the naysayers know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Is that what that stands for.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I watched that clip once a month still, and I
watched it live too, like slow motion Reeze Davis saying
lane and acronym that stance. I was like, Oh shit,
are we doing this? Is this happening?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Then he says, naysayers and Pat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
McAfee is the biggest s wha well, half of the
entire world was thinking because Pat knew. Pat had been
around some people hat really knew, and he broke that set.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
You have not seen that clip, please, Reese Davis, like
you'll find it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
You win a national championship last year. That clip is
the best part of all of college football. So for
all the other foreign and ninety something teams that didn't
win a national championship, that's the best thing to happen
to good football.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I don't know. Pat Mactrolley at the SEC Championship is
odd game day, that's up there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
That's up there. But let any sayer know that's that's
gotta be top two, all right, Henro, But let's go ahead,
get out of here. It's almost time for me to
watch some wrestling. So Hendros hit to people with your
socials or anything cool you're doing. I think you want
to follow you. You got to new twitch Paige.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Fans Nope, neither one h one on everything. That's about it.
So Mike go full time at work. But that's that's
another story. Hey, since you said let them know what's
what's happening and then go to LA this weekend, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Right, that's right, so live it up. Hopefully it doesn't,
you know, quake and break off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
No, I'm more concerned about the heat. Uh one. I
was seven. Yeah, that's cooking one hundred and seven degrees
cooking out there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
It's a dry heat. It'll be okay, it's like stick
come your head in the oven. You're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I'll let you know when I'm on next time. If
I walk outside it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
All and guys, if you guys are looking for me
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(01:11:46):
And of course next week guys, new episode with the
Homie Smiles. We're gonna review the new Big Sean album
and talk a little bit more on music. But other
than that, we are out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Later