May 6, 2025 • 51 mins
Life's transitions often serve as powerful reflections of our inner evolution. Just as an old car eventually stops serving our needs, sometimes our habits, mindsets, and life paths require upgrading to match who we're becoming. This conversation, with returning guest Britt, explores what happens when we recognize it's time for change and find the courage to pursue a new direction.
We journey through the challenging yet rewarding path of studying Traditional Chinese Medicine, acupuncture, and herbology. The conversation reveals the immense complexity behind these ancient healing arts, from mastering hundreds of acupuncture points to understanding over 300 different herbs with their unique properties and interactions. This education isn't just academic; it represents a fundamental shift in how we understand wellness and balance.
The heart of our discussion centers on breathwork and sound healing as powerful modalities for reconnecting with ourselves. Unlike approaches that require verbal processing, breathwork offers a direct pathway into the body's wisdom and emotional landscape.
Perhaps most compelling is the recognition that true healing and growth require authenticity. As Britt shares, "You can only meet people as far as you've met yourself." This wisdom reminds us that our capacity to connect with others, whether as healers or simply as humans, depends on how deeply we've done our own inner work. It's an invitation to embrace all aspects of who we are, the light and the shadow, rather than compartmentalizing ourselves into boxes that feel acceptable but incomplete.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
cheers with our waters today, but we're back at
episode six and we're back withit is six.
Oh wow, you were episode fivelast week, now you're episode
six this week welcome back.
Welcome back anything new,exciting happened within the
last week loads.
(00:34):
That's for me you got a new caryeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That was I was gonna keep that.
Why, I don't know.
I just felt like I wanted toenjoy, just like I don't know
well, you think it's a jinx.
No, not that, it's just more.
I don't know why I was thinkingof that.
I just wasn't like at the topof my list to like, share.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was just more of like okay, what do you want to
share?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
but nothing else has happened.
Well, that's why I talked aboutthe car.
Good god, I was like wait asecond, like nothing else has
happened.
I did get a new car.
If you know me, you know it hasbeen time for a new car, my
safety is now back yeah, theother car was like falling apart
.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
She was gonna start like fred, fred Flintstoning the
car to and from school.
It was a desperate need To befair.
It was a nine-year car.
Yeah, she's had it for a longtime.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's been through a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Wild irresponsible times.
You know the story where I'meffortlessly backing up While
opening a bottle of vodka yeah,we don't do that anymore.
Backing up while opening abottle of vodka yeah, we don't
do that anymore.
So this car is symbolic of,like, just new ventures and a
new era of me, where I was likemy old car didn't quite fit that
um, aside from the fact that itwas like becoming dangerous to
(01:56):
drive yeah, yeah so I I feellike I am meant to have a new
car right now.
Like I just it fits.
It's like more fitting, I'mjust like I feel better and I
know material things aren'tsupposed to, like you know, do
anything to your like self-worthof how you think yourself, like
think about yourself, but likeI feel good driving my new car.
(02:19):
Like, yes, like I'm, you know,I'm able to drive to school
without worry.
I've got all these like newsafety features, which is great,
you know.
It just feels like it was timefor me to enter this new phase
without having any like oldlingering energies from myself
and others who have been in mycar you know.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So yeah, and that car got it, got you home on many a
questionable night, but yeah,she also.
You could see the, the psychethat was you at one point, you
know what?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
okay, so when I first went to, this has nothing to do
with what the episode istalking about, but oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, at this point we're just vamping at the top.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah so when I had gone to peru ayahuasca
experience the first ceremony, Iwasn't really dropping into it
because I was kind of like yo,what's up, like you know, yeah.
But like the shaman came up tome and he like one of the first
things that he said was like youneed to be careful driving your
car.
And earlier before I went to Iwent in last July, before that I
(03:21):
saw three cars literally inflames, on fire on the side of
the freeway and I was like okay,that's not common, like that,
just like not in flames.
No, like that no literally likein flames engulfed a ball of
yeah, and I was just like, oh mygod, and meanwhile, like my car
, like there's, there's thingsgoing, yeah, so for to see that,
(03:43):
and then to have someone tellme like you need to be careful
driving your car which I, I know, you know I was just like, oh
my gosh, like that's, like I'm alittle bit more like scared to
drive my car.
And then when I came back, Ialso saw, I think, like one or
two more cars literally inflames and they're on different
freeways too.
It wasn't like on the samefreeway in the same spot.
(04:04):
Every time it it was indifferent spots, which is scary.
And like my car got to thepoint to where, like it needed
so much work done, to where likeit just wasn't worth.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, you were going to pay more money to fix it than
the car was worth.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And like it was literally like stopping on the
freeway and I had to put it inpark, turn the car off, turn it
on and like the girl.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I have anxiety just thinking about it.
I can't imagine being in thecar and being like hold on, we
got to put it in park.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, no, it's because there was so much work
and like with the oil pan therewas a crack and stuff like that.
So me that was like, instead ofthe, like the little engine
light or the when you need tochange your oil.
Like as soon as it starteddoing that, I'm like, okay, it's
time to get my oil changed.
And so I had a girlfriend pickme up from the airport and it
did that thing where, like itdoes charging ship malfunction
(04:51):
and stopped and she's like girl,what the?
And I didn't tell her because Ididn't.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh my god I feel, like your check, it was got to
the point where, like your checkengine light wouldn't have gone
on because like that too waslike out of commission, like
yeah, and the whole thing wasjust like rickety.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was scary girl like I was literally like
playing roulette with my life,like that would have been a
final destination car.
No, literally.
And I'm like, okay, it was timeand I had to just be smart
about it, because you know, yeah, I just had to be smart and the
right deal came, yeah her lastdeal that she got in a pinch was
(05:26):
horrific.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We won't bore people.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We're not.
We're not doing that, but itwas um.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It was scary when she told me that I, like, clutched
my pearls.
I was like you were doing what,you paid what but now, yeah, we
got this.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
one feels good.
Yeah, new car, new vibes, newdeal, we're good.
And now nobody will recognizeme because they don't know what
the fuck I'm driving.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
They're not going to see this lemon coming at them,
being like there's Brit, no,there's literally.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, you could always tell because, yes, there
was a bunch of RAV4s around, butnot like mine, because I had
ding scrapes and everything sheparts of the car every single
side of the car, like, hadcharacter.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yes, she lived she lived many lives and now your
new car symbolizes your new um,your new found.
What path in life.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I guess, yeah, you know, because I mean you have a
car for about a decade andprobably a little bit more,
depending like yeah, dependingon like how good you take care
of it and whatnot.
So I feel like my past car likefit that decade, like I grew up
with it and like it was alittle sad giving it away, but I
was like I need to get the fuckout, you know, but we I
appreciate you.
I thank you, but like thank youfor giving me to and yeah to
(06:39):
where now I'm in such adifferent place in my life, to
where, like, I don't I mean Idon't drink, I don't do anything
like that, so I'm not livingreckless and doing all kinds of
things and like I'm just in adifferent space now, to where
now, for the next decade of mylife, I can have a different
right.
You know, ride or die.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think that's a good transition into what we're
going to be talking about forthis episode actually yeah, so
your new path and your newtransition is you've been in
school for how many years?
Oh, I started in september of2022 okay, yeah, and so she's
now in a doctorate program foracupuncture and chinese herbal
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medicine.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It is quite a mouthful, I didn't want to say
it incorrectly so I pawned itoff to her.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, so that is what you've been focusing on.
That's kind of what got you tothe point where you're at now
with your sobriety and whatyou've been, you know, leaning
towards, just, you know,clear-headed.
So, yeah, balance, balance.
Yeah.
What made you want to go intothe field to begin with?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I think I was at a point in my life where you know,
like you, just you're doing onething for so long and you know
that you're kind of meant formuch more, but you have no idea
what the fuck that is.
Yeah.
Or you have like some kind ofinkling but, like you know, if
you're still in old habits andyou haven't really done the
growth yet, you'd still.
You have like a sense of it butyou don't know.
(08:04):
Yeah, or you don't feelconfident in that.
So it might just be like asubtle whisper in the back of
your mind but you don't reallymove forward with it because
you're like you just don'tbelieve in yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, or you're just fearful you know, you're just a
little stagnant.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, exactly.
So I think I knew I I mean,I've always helped people, but I
think, whenever I was reachingthe point of thinking about
going to school and, mind you,I've struggled with school my
entire life so the fact that Ikeep like going back to school
for shit is beyond me.
I wanted to just do somethingdifferent I think in 2020,.
(08:39):
I did like a medical billingtype thing because I was like oh
yeah, I could do this.
But it wasn't like oh, I wantcould do this.
But it wasn't like oh, I wantto do this, I love doing this.
It's like I can do this and itwill make money, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a career, but not a passion.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I was bored out of my damn mind.
I do not belong in a stationaryoffice, I just so.
And then I was on a hike with agirlfriend and we were sharing,
just like wellness, trips, tips, not trips, tips and trips.
And she mentioned that she hadgotten acupuncture.
And then I didn't really knowwhat that was.
(09:13):
I might have heard ofacupuncture, I might have not.
Either way, I wasn't familiarwith it.
And so I went, like anyone doeswhen they don't know something
you just like.
Google, you know you're like,let's see what this is about,
and the fact that it was reallyspeaking like more holistically
(09:34):
and because I know that thereare plenty of like.
I deal with mental health issueslike depression, anxiety, and
I've taken antidepressantsbefore and I didn't like them.
You know it was great when itstopped making me cry for the
reasons that I was crying, butthen I wasn't anything, wasn't
happy, I was just that and I waslike, well, that's, I would
rather, honestly, I would rathercry more, because then that
means like I'm here, I'm feelingyeah and so um and part of my
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statement of motivation wasspeaking to that is the fact
that, like, we like to helpsomeone holistically and there's
so many things that maybeacupuncture can't like full on
treat but it can help either bean adjacent treatment or just
help mitigate, like the symptomsthat you're dealing with.
But for mental health it's hugeand I wanted something that I
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just more holistic and likenatural.
I didn't want to rely on a pillto make me feel like I was okay
, especially whenever there area number of things that I could
do before I get to that point.
Sometimes it's necessary andthat's fine or whatever route
you choose, but I just knew thatI wanted something more
holistic that dealt with theperson as they are whole, versus
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like let's just slap a bandaidon it and kind of you know, and
then let's give you some moresymptoms on top of that.
So then you have to come backand then let's give you some.
You know, it's just like this,never ending thing.
And so I knew, I mean, kind ofselfishly, I was kind of like
well, I would like to implementthis into my own life, because I
knew that I wanted to, you know, develop better eating habits,
(11:02):
just better lifestyle habits,and just be able to take
ownership of my own life bybeing, I keep saying, holistic
but more natural in a way, yeah,and then if I could help people
along the way find themselvesin that path too, that is a
bonus as well too.
So it was kind of like, yeah,for the most part, I want to
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implement this in my life.
But also, too, if I'm going,for the most part, you know, I
want to implement this in mylife, but also, too, if I'm
going to be a practitioner, I'dwant to implement that in my
life, because if I'm going tohelp someone, I want them to
know that they can trust me,that I'm not just like, yeah, I
mean I wouldn't do this myself,but you should do it, right.
No, yeah, and so that's wherethat was um.
And then I looked it up and Iwas something that I thought I
(11:46):
could do um, I can do itdefinitely.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, I knew it was going to be hard, but, like the
the I don't think you wereprepared for, like I said, I've
always struggled with school.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, no, I've always struggled with school.
I don't have an undergrad.
I think I just wrote a reallygood statement of motivation and
like that's really what got mein right.
Um, because I'm really goodwith speaking from my heart and
making things.
You know, you wrap it with yeah, and so that was, um, my
beginning journey with that.
And then I they start you outat like 17 to 24 units and
(12:27):
that's like that's a lot ofclasses.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Like per semester, per term, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, so the whole program is technically three
years and four months, okay, andso I did that for four terms
and then, through each of myterms, I've actually experienced
some form of like a hardship orsignificant loss, so like
everything, like something likehuge, a significant loss, so
like everything like somethinglike huge.
There was something each term umand I finally, in 2023, I
(12:51):
finally um made the decision tolike I'm not, I can't do this,
like it's not.
I don't think anything is worthstressing over your job, your
relationship, schooling oranything.
If there's something that youcan do to help kind of balance
it out, do it, because nothingis worth being to what finished
by a certain time.
Like what?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
what is that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
like you're racing to the finish line and they teach
you that stress is like thenumber one killer it's like a
silent.
So it's like help me make itmake sense.
Yeah, essentially, and if I'msomeone that I can choose my
schedule, like yes, there'srecommendations based upon, like
you know, the curriculum, butif I have a say of whether or
not I take this many classes ornot, well then I'm gonna curate
(13:34):
my schedule to where I can helpmitigate some of that stress
right because if I'm not doingthat and I'm stressed out and
I'm not being able to tend tomyself, can't show up at work
because I'm stressed out, can'tshow up at school because I'm
stressed about work, so it'slike all these little things
like buckets spilling into otherbuckets and it's just like a
cycle and it's a mess.
So, yeah, and ultimately, if youcan do something about your
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situation and you choose not toshut the fuck up, you know, yes,
complaining happens.
I catch myself complaining hereand there, but it's just like
one of those things where it'slike well, you chose this, so,
and sometimes there arecircumstances as to why you have
to choose that, so, like, I'mnot trying to like, you know
(14:17):
it's yeah, not a lot of peoplehave like flexibility exactly,
um, and, but just me.
I can't focus trying to do thatmany classes.
Like I said, I've struggledwith school, I struggle with
exams.
I like I have a really hardtime with school, and I don't
like I fail a lot of my exams,right, um.
Never failed classes, though,but so if I can do something
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that's going to help me, thenI'm going to do that, and I
didn't want my mental health tobe affected because I'm trying
to keep up with everyone elsewho can take on a heavy load
like that, right?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you, the way you fixed that was you took less
credits per term.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I, literally I dropped like half to where I
don't take more than fourclasses.
If that a term, because that'sjust something that has been
working.
For me a term, because that'sjust something that has been
working for me, and I just don'tsee the point in doing more.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You'd rather take your time getting to your
destination than racing thereand being not enjoying the
process.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean either way, I'm still having a hard
time, but to say that, like Ijust don't, you know, that is
what worked, worked for me, andso that's the way that I found
balance in my life.
Some people can find balance byhaving all of the classes, doing
all of the things, and that'show they thrive right that's
just what I figured out formyself, and so I'm like okay,
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well, if I'm gonna be stressedout and all these things and I'm
gonna complain along the way,then I need to do something
about it to help me balance out.
So therefore, I can shut thefuck up about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, there you go, and so what school do you go to?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I go to Southern California University of Health
Sciences in Whittier.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, and then what made you choose that school over
?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I only know of one other school, actually honestly,
I just like typed in like whenI was looking up information,
they got real good marketing.
Oh, they sucked you in.
No, yeah, no, it popped in andthen I was.
You know, it looked good to meand I also, um, I might have
seen the school that was inSanta Monica.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, that's the one I know of?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
yeah, honestly I don't know.
I think that one just caught myeye and I started like reading
it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And you liked their reviews.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It could have been the fact that I think I don't
know if Santa Monica offers adoctorate program.
I think at the time when I waslooking at it, it was the only
one that had the level ofdoctorate.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh okay, not that I was like actually going for that
but like if it's only extendedmore time to get there, like
yeah, why not?
Okay, so, uh, what have beenlike your favorite classes that
you've taken?
I know you say they're all hardand you want to rip your hair
out, but I mean you have to havelike a favorite class or I do.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I really enjoy the acupuncture based class.
Okay, shocker which I hope youdo because that's your career,
yeah no more so about learningabout the points, because we all
have channel systems andmeridians and each channel or
organ has a specific number ofpoints, depending on you know
and whatnot, and we have specialcategories of points.
And I think it's more sofiguring out number patterns
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that like help with that, so I'mable to figure out, like
certain prescriptions based onlike the symptomology, based on
knowing what, what as anindividual point, what does that
do?
Okay, and then therefore, I cankind of weed it out and like
the clinical entry exam, whichtook me a while to pass, because
there's six sections in thewritten and then there's a whole
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other practical partAcupuncture was the only one I
passed every single time okay,yeah, so you feel confident,
yeah no, and I like it.
I like being able to help peoplewith that, because I also tutor
as well too.
It just made sense to me, andthere's a whole lot that I don't
know and there's a billiondifferent ways to approach it,
but that's been a subject that Ifeel very confident in and that
I really enjoy, as well astheory, however.
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Theory is a lot.
It's a little bit more complex,so, but I do like the way that
you can apply theory to otherthings and like the you use.
It's like layering, so you usetheory to get into your
diagnosis as well, too, and thenthat's how I can almost tell
what someone's going on likewith them, based on, like their
face, because their differentfacial features, um, correspond
(18:25):
to an organ.
I can, when I'm feelingsomething, like if I'm eating
something and I know it's doingsomething to me, I can tell by
the way my tongue looks, by theway my tongue feels and the way,
like what's going on in mymouth yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I don't want to open my mouth yeah least favorite
subject or not.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
The fact that it's the least favorite like the most
difficult, most challenging,yeah would say is herbology.
Okay, like that was the sectionthat really like held me back
from entering in clinic becauseI had a really hard time when
you learn in herbology.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It sounds like a harry potter.
Wait, that is a Harry Potterclass?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Literally no, if you would hear, like the Latin names
as well.
Okay, so we have over 300different individual herbs.
Oh God, there's categories,like you know release exterior,
wind, cold, and so those herbsare going to be more hot in
nature, and then you have theopposite of that category and
then you have clear heat, andthen you'll have like a main
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category and then, depending onit, like subsections of that
category and they all belong tothat.
They all go into differentchannels, like different organs.
They have differentpresentations and, like it's
really insane, it soundscomplicated.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah.
And on top of that, we learnedthem in their opinion, which is
their chinese name.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So you're not learning the english name and,
to be fair, I there are some towhere, like, I actually do
better with pinion name, towhere someone has.
I know people that haveknowledge of like english name
or like latin name of herbs andthey have a really hard time
with pinion because I'm oppositeto where, like I can recognize
an herb by its pinion name but,like if you were to tell me,
like if that I wouldn't know itby the english name okay, you
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know, but I know what.
It is just not correlated, okay,okay, yeah.
So that's really difficult.
And then there's herbalformulas, so that's whenever you
put a bunch of herbs together,depending on yeah to make the
formula and that depends.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Some only have like four medicinal purposes.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, some only have like four, uh, single herbs in
them.
Some have like up to 12.
Oh my gosh.
There's also contraindications,like certain herbs that you
wouldn't use with this becauseit like cancels out the effect
or there's the opposite of that,to where you could actually
make something worse, right, um?
And there's alsocontraindications with like
points and stuff too.
But, um, with herbs there'salso downward draining herbs, so
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you wouldn't want to prescribethat to someone who's pregnant
because you might induce.
Same with um.
There are certain points thatare contraindicated because
they're blood moving and youwouldn't want to like induce
anything that could potentiallyhappen there too.
But yeah, herbology isdefinitely the most difficult
it's like you're like apharmacist.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
This drug can interact with this one.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's so interesting.
It's so interesting to be ableto, you know, cook with herbs
and like use that like I don'tthink I've ever touched like the
traditional, like medicinecabinet someone has.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Since I've been sick I've only taken herbs or like so
you did give me kind of a stinkeye when I said I was going to
go take an ibuprofen.
Yeah, you gave me like thislike weird little look and I'm
like oh bitch, I don't got herbshere, I need my ibuprofen.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I'm wildly fascinated by herbology.
However, it is so difficultLike and I struggle, it's just a
lot um.
So it's been like I'm exhaustedright now you're tired talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That's been your most challenging class.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, would you say it's like, also like your least
favorite, because you said it'sinteresting I wouldn't say it's
my least favorite, or maybethere is resistance to it
because I know what it entailsto pass yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I feel like you're about to cry right now.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, I'm like no just thinking about that, I was like
I don't even know how to explainthis.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you have a class that's been like?
It's not that it's hard, it'sjust like boring.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I couldn't even tell you because it's so
fucking boring, it's out of mymind.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was like a filler class almost.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
There's classes.
Yeah, that they have.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
There's asynchronous classes and it's just busy work
to where?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
it's like why, just for the credit?
Yeah, okay, it's annoying, it'sjust.
I mean I have resistancetowards school anyways, but
doing something because I knowit's just busy work.
There's sometimes where theassignment may not even and this
is for all subjects, but theassignment may not be even hard
like that hard, but I'm like Idon't want to do this it's like,
(22:53):
I'm like annoyed.
I'm like I don't want to dothis and that 3 am.
I'm like fuck, I gotta do this.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's like taking a class that you don't need, like
for your major, but you need itfor, like your general education
, kind of thing.
Yeah, and I'm just like I'm notgoing to use it in my life, but
I have to take it just becauseit's a requirement.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and it's.
That's like it's not your jam,no, and like the whole, like
education system is really it'slike these are the hoops you
need to jump through to getwhere you need to go, and
obviously I would feel likeanybody who wants to be an
acupuncturist.
Yes, you need school.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, don't just start sticking people.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, no, you definitely need school.
However, I do think bettersystems could be in place.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, hey, once you graduate and you got your
practice up and running and allthat, maybe you can over
overhaul the entire system maybe, but you're like I don't know
that even sounds tiring too.
I need a nap.
Speaking of speaking ofoverhauling the whole education
system, your plan after schoolis to become an acupuncturist
(23:57):
yeah okay, yeah and then, butuntil then, what are you
focusing on now?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
now.
Now I've actually, last October, I participated or enrolled in,
I don't know I did a breathworkpractice internship, so I
attended a series of lessons anddid a series of practicums, one
which we did today, yes, soshe's starting her own business.
She's getting the groundworkset up, yeah we're still on the
(24:29):
floor, but we finally got herback on instagram yes, it's very
exciting because I was like youhave to market yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You can't just rely on tiktok.
You gotta rely on tiktok, girl.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah tiktok is hard.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We haven't figured it out yet but I'm like you can't
just, you know, use tiktok.
You gotta market yourself oninstagram, so you're doing a
whole breath work yeah, so I'vetaken some time to finish up my
practicums.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It was kind of hard to juggle between end of term
classes as well as, like I justgot in my own way, like I was
fearful, running a bunch ofstories in my head, so it's
taken me a bit to, you know,just do it.
Um, and so, with the completionof my breath work, I've started
creating my website.
It will be out I want to saysoon, but soon could be working
(25:19):
on it.
I'm working on it, um, and soI've decided to create a social
media presence for my businessto just promote the fact that I
can be your guide in abreathwork journey.
I've also been leaning into theintegration of sound, and so
I'm expanding my musicalcollection.
(25:41):
I've got a good bunch right now,but, you know, there's so many
things that I want to includeand I also intertwine the two
when I do my breathwork sessions.
So, within what I can do now,as I'm still a student of
acupuncture, I want to startcreating a presence so that way
people maybe can have like alittle break on their doom
(26:01):
scrolling, you know, and justcreate like a, like a place to
pause.
You know, just you know, take amoment.
Have you taken a little breathtoday, and so I've curated like
a five-part series that I won'tspeak too much about, because
then you know if you're like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And yeah, we're only looking for positivity, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So I've created a five part series to where I will
start integrating a variety ofmy different instruments and I
will be making different typesof videos and I will be
whispering some words.
So if you're into thewhispering, ASMR yeah, tune in.
I've got something planned andin the works with that and then
(26:47):
hopefully I'll be able to reachpeople, so then I can help them.
Recenter, the point ofbreathwork.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
That was my next question.
What is breathwork?
What?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
is the point.
Yeah, so oftentimes we canbecome all kinds of
discombobulated.
We are just unbalanced.
Um, in a perfect world we'dlike to be balanced between our
mind, body, soul, spirit andsometimes the demands of just
life in general, the demands of,you know, being a parent, if
you're a parent, the demands ofa job or anything that can cause
(27:17):
you to just not be at home withyourself, whether it's's trauma
, addictions, you know there's awhole bag of that that can
cause us to not be in alignmentwith ourselves.
And breathwork is really achance to build that bridge back
to ourselves, to where we canfind balance within us, and
(27:38):
that's also without having to.
You know, if you're someonethat doesn't necessarily like to
speak about what you're goingthrough, I don't have to speak
to you.
This might be a little bitinvasive, but I get into your
body To get out of your mind.
We must go into our body.
Breath work is a chance towhere I can guide you, give you
the cues to breathing.
(27:59):
You're the one that's going inand doing the work and so
whatever comes up for you,that's what you'll work through,
and you didn't need to sit andhave an hour-long conversation
to that, but you should probablystill see your therapist now
that she's taking over for atherapist.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
She's just, you know, it's a different type of you
know way to center yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I'm really fascinated by somatic practices because
our bodies hold on to so muchinformation and trauma and
emotions, and that is justwildly fascinating to me that I
can do either a series ofmovements, I can do breath work,
I can do sound healing, andthat will tap into something
that I didn't even know neededto be worked on or addressed and
(28:41):
that will allow me to have arelease that I didn't even know
needed to be worked on oraddressed and that will allow me
to have like a release that Ididn't even know was possible,
like you can get certainmassages and then you might end
up having like an emotionalrelease, and that is so
interesting to me.
I'm just like, reallyfascinated by that.
So the fact that I canintertwine different modalities
will allow me to create thatsafe space for someone and don't
(29:02):
I'm not saying like you can'tspeak to me, I want to follow up
with you and I want to know howI can help you, like in the
time after your sessions as welltoo.
So in the creation of mywebsite, I'm getting you know
the final drafts ready and theservices I'll be providing.
Jesus Christ, I need to take abreath.
(29:23):
No, um, I will be havingbreathwork sessions and those
are typically about an hour.
I will have sound healingsessions if you want something,
because sometimes we needsomething different.
You know, breathwork is alittle bit more intensive and
(29:44):
you're more locked in andsometimes you just want to lay
there and that's what's wheresound healing can come in.
You know it depends on, like,what you need, so I want to be
able to curate services that canmeet you where you're at.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So it's kind of like not customized for each person,
but kind of customized in a way.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, in a way, um, and certain things could be a
little bit tailored depending onyou know how that goes, um, and
then I'll also be offering, uh,like one-on-one attunement
sessions, which is basically myway of saying, like one-on-one,
like alignment and like coaching, for even if you're thinking
about breathwork or soundhealing, whether or not you
(30:22):
don't even want any of thoseservices, you, you just want
that, like that is alsosomething I'll be offering.
What is that exactly?
It's where, like, anyone cancome talk to me, like if people
have questions or so kind oflike a consultation.
No, not a consultation.
I'll have a consult as well too, but like the one on one,
attunement sessions are more oflike a coaching type deal.
Attunement sessions are more oflike a coaching type deal, you
(30:46):
know, if someone wants to maybehave some guidance on sobriety,
or if somebody is.
You know any number of things.
I feel like I'm pretty wellversed in a lot, considering the
things that I've enduredthroughout my life and overcome,
and I'm still learning, I'mstill evolving, I'm still
shedding a bunch of layers.
I do not have it all figuredout, but just maybe, you know,
(31:07):
maybe I can be a sounding boardfor someone else that is
possibly going through.
Fuck off.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I was just wondering the way you said that.
I don't have it figured out.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't because I realized that maybe the way that
I'm sounding it could be likeoh, this person knows it all.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And I mean I think if anyone thinks anyone has it all
, like to think someone has itall figured out is just very
naive of yeah, nobody hasanything figured out, because I
was like listening to our um,the last episode and I was just
like, oh man, like kind of justin my head about things.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So like I'm just like I don't want to sound a certain
way, but I was just like, ohman, I made it seem like
sobriety was easy and I was like, oh fuck, I didn't mean it.
I was like you know, I was like, no, you know, just things like
that.
So I just want to make surethat I'm clear and the fact that
, like, I'm not here to be, like, I'm superior to you because
I've gone through this and Ikind of know you're just able to
(32:00):
offer you own.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's more like an experience.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, it's just me like I understand, like may not
understand completely, dependingon what you have gone through
and I don't want to take awayfrom your experiences and your
feelings but, like I'munderstand, I am with you.
We are the same and if I canhelp you and provide any sort of
you know, I don't even knowwhat the word I'm looking for is
(32:22):
right now.
You know just just anything andlike, sometimes, like we don't
even feel secure with ourselves.
And I could say now, sittingwhere I'm at especially after
taking the whole year off, thesocial media and the things that
I've, you know, work through, Iam more sure of myself today,
sitting here right now, than Ihave ever been in my life and
(32:43):
I'm still learning things aboutmyself and there are still
things where I'm like, oh, okay,now I get it.
So I just want to be arelatable like safety space for
people if they don't have thatwithin themselves, and I don't
want to be a dependent crunchmore.
So, like, let me help you beable to do things for yourself
(33:05):
so you can take ownership andwho you are and who you want to
be and the things that you wantto overcome, because everyone
has the innate like intelligencewithin themselves to be whoever
they want to be.
But sometimes there's a bunch ofshit in the way yeah like I can
tell you right now that in 2019, like I probably didn't think
this shit was possible, right,and I didn't see things the way
(33:26):
that I see them now yeah, andit's been this ongoing thing
Even last year is widelydifferent from where things are
right now, yeah, and so I justwant to be that reminder for
people that, like, just keepgoing.
It can be hard, I'm still goingto cry about things and have
feel all kinds of differentthings, but the thing is I'll
(33:46):
always remember that this willpass.
This it's like things aretemporary.
So and that's another thingI've learned from school is the
duality of life.
I think I used to put myselfinto different boxes compared to
, like, who I was with.
You know, if I was in arelationship, I would try to put
myself in this box.
If I was over here, I'd be inthis box.
(34:07):
I'm the whole fucking box, I'meverything in that box.
I am the light, I am the dark,I am everything, and I don't
want to shy away from thoseaspects of my life, because we
should be everything, that whowe are, and sometimes I'm light,
sometimes I'm not, you know,yeah, and so, and I think
(34:29):
sometimes we get into this likefalse positivity of like we need
to always be thinking this way.
We need to always be thinkingthat way and no, if you're not
thinking that that way, allowyourself to be and feel and
think however you want to feelthat way.
That's not going to take awayanything that's good coming to
you, that doesn't make you a badperson or anything like that.
However, there's a balance tothat.
(34:50):
So don't stay in that shit toolong, you know, but also just be
authentic with yourself.
You can't have authenticrelationships with anyone if you
don't meet yourselfauthentically first.
So you can only meet people asfar as you've met yourself, and
that sounds so fucking clichebut it's fucking true.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's true you get a lot of um cliches nowadays, but
I mean it's because they're kindof technically true yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Waste of life there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So earlier today, you and I did a breathwork session
and you had asked me what areyou hoping to gain from this?
Nothing, oh no, I didn't saythat she's giving.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Anna Delvey nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I didn't say that.
I said actually I don't knowbecause I don't really know what
we're about to do.
Yeah, I should.
Actually I don't know because Idon't really know what we're
about to do.
Yeah, I was.
I should have maybe Googled itor looked it up beforehand.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That's not necessary, but.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I was like I don't know.
I figured you would just tellme what to do, which you did, so
yeah, so what exactly did we do?
It was the breath work and thesound healing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I integrate sound A the sound healing.
Yeah, I integrate sound.
A lot of people and a lot ofpractitioners also integrate
sound as well too.
It's not like I'm you knowdoing, you know, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
I integrate sound because itallows me to stay active and
present, Whereas I think alsoI've done a lot of sessions
online and I'm not tech savvy,so trying to, you know, play
(36:19):
music as well as that, like Idon't know, it just seemed more
natural to me to playinstruments, and instruments I
mean like sound bowls, chimes Umyeah, I've got like a little
like wave drum, um, and chimeslike a different, a different
set of chimes.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Cause like they're like different frequencies and
pitches and my cat's freaked outmy cat's scram like.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
They're like.
Oh like.
I don't even like I pick up themallet before I.
The gong was way too heavy forme to like oh yeah, she didn't
bring everything today yeah, Ihave a gong, I love it.
Um you'll see them in her videosyes, um and so, yeah, I like to
integrate sound because itallows me to stay present and
aware and like inclusive, so I'mnot just like standing there
(37:08):
looking at you, I like to walkaround and move and um, and it
helps me cause I have a hardtime, like you know.
I just have a hard time sittingstill.
Yeah exactly so it just allowsme to just be more present in
that.
So, um, typically, if I were athome and we were doing the
first round, cause, um, thefirst round is in and out
(37:30):
through your mouth and that's alittle bit faster tempo, and
that's more about.
It's intentionally supposed toramp up your nervous system.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, I didn't like it.
Yeah, I was.
She's breathing really slowly.
Yeah, I was just like I don'tI'm not enjoying this right now
like it did it does make youfeel a little like more anxious
almost a little bit, especiallyif you've never done it as well
too.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So there's that factor as well.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, she was like like tell, like doing, telling
me how to do it, and I was likeI'm not doing that in my head.
I was thinking, I was like I'mgoing at my pace.
She said I could go at my pace.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
No, exactly, and I like to let people know that,
like, even if I'm giving youcues and that's a bit faster
than you would like to go youare in control.
You breathe at your own tempobecause this is your journey and
you need to feel comfortable,otherwise you're not gonna drop
into whatever you're feelingyeah typically I'll play more of
the gong in that round.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Okay, oh, because it's, yeah, it just like helps.
Okay, yeah, my whole hand isall Makes you a little more
anxious.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, a little bit.
I love it, yeah.
And then the more softerfrequencies all kind of you know
go to like the second rounds,when we're focused more on our
exhale, like in through the noseand out through the mouth,
because that's our moregrounding, calming back to
ourselves.
I like that one.
Yeah, this time I kind of justintertwined everything together
(38:48):
because I didn't have that, likeyou know, right, that also that
big gong.
Yeah, our method was just moreof a circular breathing.
We'll do three rounds of inthrough the mouth, out through
the mouth, and then we'll dothree rounds in through the nose
and out through the mouth, witha focus on your exhale, and
there will be a series of breathholds in between each round for
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you to settle in.
The first round is aboutclearing, and that's why it
feels a little bit more intense.
I cannot remember at the top ofmy head right now, but there is
a scientific factor as to whyyou would feel like those more
tingly feelings at the top of myhead right now but there is a
scientific factor as to why youwould feel like those more
tingly feelings.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's so.
She did warn me that I wasgonna like my hands could cramp
up or I could get like the liketingly fingers or toes.
So I was aware of that.
But then, when everythingstarted tingling, I was like, oh
, like I got the tingles yeah,and that could be.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
you know, it varies from person to person.
It also varies on the tempo inwhich you're breathing as to,
maybe, how intense thosephysiological responses can be,
and that's why I like to let myclients know that they are in
control.
So if they don't like that, Iinvite them to settle into that,
because I'm like, ooh, it'sworking.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, she was like I get joy to know that it's
tingling.
I'm like, oh, you're kind of afreak.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
My hands have been like literally like cramped,
like this before, and like I'velet them be there because I'm
like, yeah, it's working.
But that's just you know thatyou can change that right.
(40:27):
You can still participate inbreath work, and it doesn't need
to be that way.
You can just slow down yourbreath, or if you want to get
that way, you can just speed itback up, right?
you know, you can go in and out,um, depending on what, more
comfortable for you, and so Ilike to do a very thorough
briefing before our session.
So then, that way you can,because anytime somebody or I'm
speaking from my experience, butanytime I would do something
(40:50):
that I've never done before it'sreally hard for me to like be
fully present in that, becauseI'm like worried, like what am I
supposed to expect?
So I want to be as thorough aspossible and, granted, you still
might go there, because if itis a new experience, and whether
or not you've done breath workzero times or a thousand, each
experience is different.
You it might not be the same,you know it can go a billion
(41:13):
different ways, but I like tolet you know here are some of
the common things that you mightexpect during this.
So then, that way, when it, ifit does arise, you could be like
okay, right, this is normal.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Like I can kind of you know into it?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
yeah, I can.
I can continue to be presentand focus on my breath and the
cues and I'm not freaking out.
Like what am I?
You?
Know what's happening you know,especially if you're like
someone that like worries aboutlike time, um, sometimes it's
hard for me to drop into asession.
Um, especially like when I'vedone them in the beginning of
doing breath work, it's hard forme to drop in Cause I'm also
(41:47):
like wondering.
I'm like okay, like how longhave I been breathing, like how?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
long have I been there?
You know, I will say I wasdoing that in my head.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Like, okay, wait, how long has it been?
I don't know how long it's been.
Yeah, and it's hard, andsometimes there is a little like
I'm also in my head sometimes,because I'm like, are these
landing?
Like is is it working right?
You know like it's.
Like you know, is what I'mdoing, you know working for her,
and I don't know.
(42:13):
And sometimes I'm like, oh crap.
And then I'm like I don't wantto speak too much, so I'm like,
but then they'll be like deadsilence and I'm just like crap
like is that too much dead spaceor right enough?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
and I'm still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and I guess it'll come, you know, depending
right, and that's another reasonwhy I like playing instruments,
because then, if I'm feelingthat, then I can at least have
the frequencies help you guidein to your breath as well too,
which that feels nice.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I really enjoyed the, the instruments and the sounds
like yeah, you even like walkedover me and you did like one of
those like low frequency, likeyeah yeah, yeah, like I liked it
.
And that was when the catbolted oh yeah, my cat was
sitting next to me and he waslike chill and he really wasn't
having an issue.
She got close to him with thatball and he booked it I.
(43:00):
It scared me because I was liketrying to be in my moment yeah,
and he jumped right on me andwas like boom yeah, luckily.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
That was like in the beginning yeah, um, but then
there was construction yeah, no,yeah, you heard everything
around us and it's like, yeah,and I was like, oh man like and
I'm getting nervous, because Ialso know her pretty well.
So I'm like okay, like is thisgonna completely take her out of
this?
So I tried to be like okay,like continue to focus on your
breath like let's you knowacknowledge that there are
(43:28):
sounds around you.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, you did say that a few times, um, but I got
in my head, I was freaking out,I was just no, yeah, you kept
saying tune out the noise, focuson your breath.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, so I was like okay, yeah, and I don't know why
I like as soon as like I'mdoing session, like my voice
changes.
I'm not loud and obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
She became very soft and subtle.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's giving phone operator yes, yeah I'm
definitely not as high pitchedum, it's very low yeah, she, she
lowers, lowers the volume andthe frequency yeah, and the
pitch.
So I'm glad I have that setting.
Yeah, um, yeah, but for themost part it was good.
It was my first like in person,so it was nice to be able to
(44:12):
play around like how I wouldessentially do stuff, because
normally I'm like on, you know,I do a lot of virtual so I just
have like yeah, so I'll justhave, like my little setup for
your great hair and then I thinkthat might be a little bit
nervous because, like I'm in thechair and I'm like you know
this, I got to, like, walkaround right.
I'm all like doing the chimesaround you, yeah and so that
felt nice.
And then there was a few timesto where the cats were intrigued
(44:35):
by the noises and so they weremaking little trippy sounds.
And then then they would likewander in the room and I'm like,
oh, you better not jump.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I was like please don't jump on her, please don't
jump on her.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
But they didn't, so we're good and it was like I
told like when we were done withit, she was like okay, how do
you feel?
And I was like I feel tingly.
I was like I have the tingles.
And then when I went to standup which I think I stood up a
little too fast I was like whoa,I got a head rush, but it was
like kind of not an out of bodyexperience.
(45:09):
It was just kind of like I feltlike floaty and that's not
really a proper term, but yeah,I just felt like I was like kind
of floating there and it justfelt like like.
I just felt like like.
I just felt like like I was atthe beach almost, I think that's
like it was nice to see.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I need to like ask for consent before I'd be like,
do you mind if I take photos,because it'd be so funny to see
people's like initial facials.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Like obviously I'm not going to Open their eyes.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, yeah, because like you look so like, really
like don't know what to make ofthis.
Yeah, and like the most andthat's nice because I'm like
yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, the best thing I can equate it to is if, like,
you're lying on the beach, likein the sun, listening to, like
the waves and like the sounds of, like you know, the ocean and
birds and whatnot, and then youlike open your eyes, it's like
kind of like that kind of afeeling.
Yeah it's like what I canequate it to the most which is
nice.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I love that.
I've even had people tell methat they've seen colors.
They've drifted off intoanother like space okay um, but
I've had people feel likerelease and like block any
blockages that they've had intheir body or, you know, if
they've been working on gettingthrough something they've felt
released, and I've even hadpeople um like scream and like
(46:25):
let out aggression and just likebe angry, which is another
spectrum of something that youcould possibly experience
depending on what's going on,and then I've also had people
giggle and laugh.
Yeah, um, there's all kinds ofdifferent uh experiences that
you will have, and so that'skind of the beauty of it,
because you, you know, I can'ttell you like, oh, this is what
(46:46):
you know this is what you'regonna feel.
Yeah, I can tell you, like youknow more or less, like you know
, potential feelings like withthe cramping and the
tinglingness and stuff like that.
But however, like the, thedynamic of your journey is
different every time.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
So, and that's what's really beautiful about it
because all you have to do isjust show up and be open, and as
long as you're open, you'll.
You'll go wherever you need togo, right, and so that's you
know there we go, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I think that's a beautiful way to end it.
All right.
So, now that you are fully onsocial media, finally, what?
Where can people find you onInstagram?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
You can find me on Instagram at BCHIFLOW BCFLOW.
Those are my business handlesand if you just want to follow
me, you can go to follow her asa person.
Yeah, you know I don't reallycare about that, but but you
know, if you want to get moreinsight into who I am that's
(47:51):
more um you can go to Instagramat Britannia B R I T T A N I A
dot S A L-Z-A-R, and then TikTokis BSalz.
Either one of them.
I couldn't get those ones tomatch.
Yeah, so those are my socials.
And then on my business page inInstagram, my email is listed
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and it should be a clickablelink to where you can email me
if you have any questions, ifyou were thinking about sessions
, or maybe just follow my page,because why not?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
and her website is coming soon.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
So then it is coming soon.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You'll be able to see all the services listed um book
appointments and sessions andwhatnot.
All that all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I do virtual sessions .
I'm open to doing likein-person sessions, but that
will most mostly be for likegroup sessions, like if it's
going to be like a group thing,to where maybe you're hosting an
event or if you want to, youknow, get a group of your
girlfriends or do a session withyour significant other, then
(48:56):
I'm more than likely to do anin-person.
But because I am busy withschool and everything like that
and I'm still figuring thingsout right now, virtually is kind
of the best option for me.
But I'm open, I'm stillfiguring it out.
So just send me an emailhonestly.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, just email her, she'll let you know what's
going on.
And then you can find myselfand the podcast at
emily2gremilypod on TikTok.
And then you can find myselfand the podcast at emily to
gremlin pod on tiktok andinstagram.
Also, make sure to send in yourgremlin stories to emily to
gremlin pod at gmailcom.
I don't know why saying thatevery time is always a challenge
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it is a mouthful, it's amouthful.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Oh, and before we forget, if you have any drinks
that you would like to be madeor seen on.
Whenever she's doing a soloepisode, send those in with your
gremlin story.
So then that way, depending youknow, maybe if she picks a
certain gremlin story, she picksa drink attached to it.
Yeah, it's not a requirement,but that's just something fun
that you might want to add ideaand I was like that sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, today obviously we're just doing water.
I don't think I'm going to bedoing the drinks for tiktok
anymore.
Um, we did one for the lastepisode and it was kind of a
disaster because she was inframe completely but standing
there smiling and I was half outof the frame.
That one obviously didn't getposted because it's basically
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just one giant blooper, butthat's okay yeah, so that's just
something fun.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
If you want to see it , yeah, you know.
Or if that drinks like remindsyou of your gremlin story, you
know.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, on in yeah, send in your gremlin story with
the drink that made you agremlin, and then we'll see how
long it takes for me to become agremlin in that episode.
It'll be a fun littleexperiment to see how fast I
spiral.
Oh man, well, that's it.
Yeah, thanks for coming back.
We'll cheers again with ourwater, which hopefully doesn't
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bring us bad luck, cheersies.
cheers with our waters today, but we're back at
episode six and we're back withit is six.
Oh wow, you were episode fivelast week, now you're episode
six this week welcome back.
Welcome back anything new,exciting happened within the
last week loads.
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That's for me you got a new caryeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
That was I was gonna keep that.
Why, I don't know.
I just felt like I wanted toenjoy, just like I don't know
well, you think it's a jinx.
No, not that, it's just more.
I don't know why I was thinkingof that.
I just wasn't like at the topof my list to like, share.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was just more of like okay, what do you want to
share?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
but nothing else has happened.
Well, that's why I talked aboutthe car.
Good god, I was like wait asecond, like nothing else has
happened.
I did get a new car.
If you know me, you know it hasbeen time for a new car, my
safety is now back yeah, theother car was like falling apart
.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
She was gonna start like fred, fred Flintstoning the
car to and from school.
It was a desperate need To befair.
It was a nine-year car.
Yeah, she's had it for a longtime.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's been through a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Wild irresponsible times.
You know the story where I'meffortlessly backing up While
opening a bottle of vodka yeah,we don't do that anymore.
Backing up while opening abottle of vodka yeah, we don't
do that anymore.
So this car is symbolic of,like, just new ventures and a
new era of me, where I was likemy old car didn't quite fit that
um, aside from the fact that itwas like becoming dangerous to
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drive yeah, yeah so I I feellike I am meant to have a new
car right now.
Like I just it fits.
It's like more fitting, I'mjust like I feel better and I
know material things aren'tsupposed to, like you know, do
anything to your like self-worthof how you think yourself, like
think about yourself, but likeI feel good driving my new car.
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Like, yes, like I'm, you know,I'm able to drive to school
without worry.
I've got all these like newsafety features, which is great,
you know.
It just feels like it was timefor me to enter this new phase
without having any like oldlingering energies from myself
and others who have been in mycar you know.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So yeah, and that car got it, got you home on many a
questionable night, but yeah,she also.
You could see the, the psychethat was you at one point, you
know what?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
okay, so when I first went to, this has nothing to do
with what the episode istalking about, but oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, at this point we're just vamping at the top.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah so when I had gone to peru ayahuasca
experience the first ceremony, Iwasn't really dropping into it
because I was kind of like yo,what's up, like you know, yeah.
But like the shaman came up tome and he like one of the first
things that he said was like youneed to be careful driving your
car.
And earlier before I went to Iwent in last July, before that I
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saw three cars literally inflames, on fire on the side of
the freeway and I was like okay,that's not common, like that,
just like not in flames.
No, like that no literally likein flames engulfed a ball of
yeah, and I was just like, oh mygod, and meanwhile, like my car
, like there's, there's thingsgoing, yeah, so for to see that,
(03:43):
and then to have someone tellme like you need to be careful
driving your car which I, I know, you know I was just like, oh
my gosh, like that's, like I'm alittle bit more like scared to
drive my car.
And then when I came back, Ialso saw, I think, like one or
two more cars literally inflames and they're on different
freeways too.
It wasn't like on the samefreeway in the same spot.
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Every time it it was indifferent spots, which is scary.
And like my car got to thepoint to where, like it needed
so much work done, to where likeit just wasn't worth.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, you were going to pay more money to fix it than
the car was worth.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And like it was literally like stopping on the
freeway and I had to put it inpark, turn the car off, turn it
on and like the girl.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I have anxiety just thinking about it.
I can't imagine being in thecar and being like hold on, we
got to put it in park.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, no, it's because there was so much work
and like with the oil pan therewas a crack and stuff like that.
So me that was like, instead ofthe, like the little engine
light or the when you need tochange your oil.
Like as soon as it starteddoing that, I'm like, okay, it's
time to get my oil changed.
And so I had a girlfriend pickme up from the airport and it
did that thing where, like itdoes charging ship malfunction
(04:51):
and stopped and she's like girl,what the?
And I didn't tell her because Ididn't.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh my god I feel, like your check, it was got to
the point where, like your checkengine light wouldn't have gone
on because like that too waslike out of commission, like
yeah, and the whole thing wasjust like rickety.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It was scary girl like I was literally like
playing roulette with my life,like that would have been a
final destination car.
No, literally.
And I'm like, okay, it was timeand I had to just be smart
about it, because you know, yeah, I just had to be smart and the
right deal came, yeah her lastdeal that she got in a pinch was
(05:26):
horrific.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
We won't bore people.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
We're not.
We're not doing that, but itwas um.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It was scary when she told me that I, like, clutched
my pearls.
I was like you were doing what,you paid what but now, yeah, we
got this.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
one feels good.
Yeah, new car, new vibes, newdeal, we're good.
And now nobody will recognizeme because they don't know what
the fuck I'm driving.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
They're not going to see this lemon coming at them,
being like there's Brit, no,there's literally.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, you could always tell because, yes, there
was a bunch of RAV4s around, butnot like mine, because I had
ding scrapes and everything sheparts of the car every single
side of the car, like, hadcharacter.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yes, she lived she lived many lives and now your
new car symbolizes your new um,your new found.
What path in life.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I guess, yeah, you know, because I mean you have a
car for about a decade andprobably a little bit more,
depending like yeah, dependingon like how good you take care
of it and whatnot.
So I feel like my past car likefit that decade, like I grew up
with it and like it was alittle sad giving it away, but I
was like I need to get the fuckout, you know, but we I
appreciate you.
I thank you, but like thank youfor giving me to and yeah to
(06:39):
where now I'm in such adifferent place in my life, to
where, like, I don't I mean Idon't drink, I don't do anything
like that, so I'm not livingreckless and doing all kinds of
things and like I'm just in adifferent space now, to where
now, for the next decade of mylife, I can have a different
right.
You know, ride or die.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think that's a good transition into what we're
going to be talking about forthis episode actually yeah, so
your new path and your newtransition is you've been in
school for how many years?
Oh, I started in september of2022 okay, yeah, and so she's
now in a doctorate program foracupuncture and chinese herbal
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medicine.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It is quite a mouthful, I didn't want to say
it incorrectly so I pawned itoff to her.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, so that is what you've been focusing on.
That's kind of what got you tothe point where you're at now
with your sobriety and whatyou've been, you know, leaning
towards, just, you know,clear-headed.
So, yeah, balance, balance.
Yeah.
What made you want to go intothe field to begin with?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I think I was at a point in my life where you know,
like you, just you're doing onething for so long and you know
that you're kind of meant formuch more, but you have no idea
what the fuck that is.
Yeah.
Or you have like some kind ofinkling but, like you know, if
you're still in old habits andyou haven't really done the
growth yet, you'd still.
You have like a sense of it butyou don't know.
(08:04):
Yeah, or you don't feelconfident in that.
So it might just be like asubtle whisper in the back of
your mind but you don't reallymove forward with it because
you're like you just don'tbelieve in yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, or you're just fearful you know, you're just a
little stagnant.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, exactly.
So I think I knew I I mean,I've always helped people, but I
think, whenever I was reachingthe point of thinking about
going to school and, mind you,I've struggled with school my
entire life so the fact that Ikeep like going back to school
for shit is beyond me.
I wanted to just do somethingdifferent I think in 2020,.
(08:39):
I did like a medical billingtype thing because I was like oh
yeah, I could do this.
But it wasn't like oh, I wantcould do this.
But it wasn't like oh, I wantto do this, I love doing this.
It's like I can do this and itwill make money, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a career, but not a passion.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I was bored out of my damn mind.
I do not belong in a stationaryoffice, I just so.
And then I was on a hike with agirlfriend and we were sharing,
just like wellness, trips, tips, not trips, tips and trips.
And she mentioned that she hadgotten acupuncture.
And then I didn't really knowwhat that was.
(09:13):
I might have heard ofacupuncture, I might have not.
Either way, I wasn't familiarwith it.
And so I went, like anyone doeswhen they don't know something
you just like.
Google, you know you're like,let's see what this is about,
and the fact that it was reallyspeaking like more holistically
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and because I know that thereare plenty of like.
I deal with mental health issueslike depression, anxiety, and
I've taken antidepressantsbefore and I didn't like them.
You know it was great when itstopped making me cry for the
reasons that I was crying, butthen I wasn't anything, wasn't
happy, I was just that and I waslike, well, that's, I would
rather, honestly, I would rathercry more, because then that
means like I'm here, I'm feelingyeah and so um and part of my
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statement of motivation wasspeaking to that is the fact
that, like, we like to helpsomeone holistically and there's
so many things that maybeacupuncture can't like full on
treat but it can help either bean adjacent treatment or just
help mitigate, like the symptomsthat you're dealing with.
But for mental health it's hugeand I wanted something that I
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just more holistic and likenatural.
I didn't want to rely on a pillto make me feel like I was okay
, especially whenever there area number of things that I could
do before I get to that point.
Sometimes it's necessary andthat's fine or whatever route
you choose, but I just knew thatI wanted something more
holistic that dealt with theperson as they are whole, versus
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like let's just slap a bandaidon it and kind of you know, and
then let's give you some moresymptoms on top of that.
So then you have to come backand then let's give you some.
You know, it's just like this,never ending thing.
And so I knew, I mean, kind ofselfishly, I was kind of like
well, I would like to implementthis into my own life, because I
knew that I wanted to, you know, develop better eating habits,
(11:02):
just better lifestyle habits,and just be able to take
ownership of my own life bybeing, I keep saying, holistic
but more natural in a way, yeah,and then if I could help people
along the way find themselvesin that path too, that is a
bonus as well too.
So it was kind of like, yeah,for the most part, I want to
(11:24):
implement this in my life.
But also, too, if I'm going,for the most part, you know, I
want to implement this in mylife, but also, too, if I'm
going to be a practitioner, I'dwant to implement that in my
life, because if I'm going tohelp someone, I want them to
know that they can trust me,that I'm not just like, yeah, I
mean I wouldn't do this myself,but you should do it, right.
No, yeah, and so that's wherethat was um.
And then I looked it up and Iwas something that I thought I
(11:46):
could do um, I can do itdefinitely.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, I knew it was going to be hard, but, like the
the I don't think you wereprepared for, like I said, I've
always struggled with school.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, no, I've always struggled with school.
I don't have an undergrad.
I think I just wrote a reallygood statement of motivation and
like that's really what got mein right.
Um, because I'm really goodwith speaking from my heart and
making things.
You know, you wrap it with yeah, and so that was, um, my
beginning journey with that.
And then I they start you outat like 17 to 24 units and
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that's like that's a lot ofclasses.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Like per semester, per term, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, so the whole program is technically three
years and four months, okay, andso I did that for four terms
and then, through each of myterms, I've actually experienced
some form of like a hardship orsignificant loss, so like
everything, like something likehuge, a significant loss, so
like everything like somethinglike huge.
There was something each term umand I finally, in 2023, I
(12:51):
finally um made the decision tolike I'm not, I can't do this,
like it's not.
I don't think anything is worthstressing over your job, your
relationship, schooling oranything.
If there's something that youcan do to help kind of balance
it out, do it, because nothingis worth being to what finished
by a certain time.
Like what?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
what is that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
like you're racing to the finish line and they teach
you that stress is like thenumber one killer it's like a
silent.
So it's like help me make itmake sense.
Yeah, essentially, and if I'msomeone that I can choose my
schedule, like yes, there'srecommendations based upon, like
you know, the curriculum, butif I have a say of whether or
not I take this many classes ornot, well then I'm gonna curate
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my schedule to where I can helpmitigate some of that stress
right because if I'm not doingthat and I'm stressed out and
I'm not being able to tend tomyself, can't show up at work
because I'm stressed out, can'tshow up at school because I'm
stressed about work, so it'slike all these little things
like buckets spilling into otherbuckets and it's just like a
cycle and it's a mess.
So, yeah, and ultimately, if youcan do something about your
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situation and you choose not toshut the fuck up, you know, yes,
complaining happens.
I catch myself complaining hereand there, but it's just like
one of those things where it'slike well, you chose this, so,
and sometimes there arecircumstances as to why you have
to choose that, so, like, I'mnot trying to like, you know
(14:17):
it's yeah, not a lot of peoplehave like flexibility exactly,
um, and, but just me.
I can't focus trying to do thatmany classes.
Like I said, I've struggledwith school, I struggle with
exams.
I like I have a really hardtime with school, and I don't
like I fail a lot of my exams,right, um.
Never failed classes, though,but so if I can do something
(14:39):
that's going to help me, thenI'm going to do that, and I
didn't want my mental health tobe affected because I'm trying
to keep up with everyone elsewho can take on a heavy load
like that, right?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
So you, the way you fixed that was you took less
credits per term.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I, literally I dropped like half to where I
don't take more than fourclasses.
If that a term, because that'sjust something that has been
working.
For me a term, because that'sjust something that has been
working for me, and I just don'tsee the point in doing more.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You'd rather take your time getting to your
destination than racing thereand being not enjoying the
process.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean either way, I'm still having a hard
time, but to say that, like Ijust don't, you know, that is
what worked, worked for me, andso that's the way that I found
balance in my life.
Some people can find balance byhaving all of the classes, doing
all of the things, and that'show they thrive right that's
just what I figured out formyself, and so I'm like okay,
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well, if I'm gonna be stressedout and all these things and I'm
gonna complain along the way,then I need to do something
about it to help me balance out.
So therefore, I can shut thefuck up about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, there you go, and so what school do you go to?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I go to Southern California University of Health
Sciences in Whittier.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, and then what made you choose that school over
?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I only know of one other school, actually honestly,
I just like typed in like whenI was looking up information,
they got real good marketing.
Oh, they sucked you in.
No, yeah, no, it popped in andthen I was.
You know, it looked good to meand I also, um, I might have
seen the school that was inSanta Monica.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, that's the one I know of?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
yeah, honestly I don't know.
I think that one just caught myeye and I started like reading
it and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And you liked their reviews.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It could have been the fact that I think I don't
know if Santa Monica offers adoctorate program.
I think at the time when I waslooking at it, it was the only
one that had the level ofdoctorate.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Oh okay, not that I was like actually going for that
but like if it's only extendedmore time to get there, like
yeah, why not?
Okay, so, uh, what have beenlike your favorite classes that
you've taken?
I know you say they're all hardand you want to rip your hair
out, but I mean you have to havelike a favorite class or I do.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I really enjoy the acupuncture based class.
Okay, shocker which I hope youdo because that's your career,
yeah no more so about learningabout the points, because we all
have channel systems andmeridians and each channel or
organ has a specific number ofpoints, depending on you know
and whatnot, and we have specialcategories of points.
And I think it's more sofiguring out number patterns
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that like help with that, so I'mable to figure out, like
certain prescriptions based onlike the symptomology, based on
knowing what, what as anindividual point, what does that
do?
Okay, and then therefore, I cankind of weed it out and like
the clinical entry exam, whichtook me a while to pass, because
there's six sections in thewritten and then there's a whole
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other practical partAcupuncture was the only one I
passed every single time okay,yeah, so you feel confident,
yeah no, and I like it.
I like being able to help peoplewith that, because I also tutor
as well too.
It just made sense to me, andthere's a whole lot that I don't
know and there's a billiondifferent ways to approach it,
but that's been a subject that Ifeel very confident in and that
I really enjoy, as well astheory, however.
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Theory is a lot.
It's a little bit more complex,so, but I do like the way that
you can apply theory to otherthings and like the you use.
It's like layering, so you usetheory to get into your
diagnosis as well, too, and thenthat's how I can almost tell
what someone's going on likewith them, based on, like their
face, because their differentfacial features, um, correspond
(18:25):
to an organ.
I can, when I'm feelingsomething, like if I'm eating
something and I know it's doingsomething to me, I can tell by
the way my tongue looks, by theway my tongue feels and the way,
like what's going on in mymouth yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I don't want to open my mouth yeah least favorite
subject or not.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
The fact that it's the least favorite like the most
difficult, most challenging,yeah would say is herbology.
Okay, like that was the sectionthat really like held me back
from entering in clinic becauseI had a really hard time when
you learn in herbology.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It sounds like a harry potter.
Wait, that is a Harry Potterclass?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Literally no, if you would hear, like the Latin names
as well.
Okay, so we have over 300different individual herbs.
Oh God, there's categories,like you know release exterior,
wind, cold, and so those herbsare going to be more hot in
nature, and then you have theopposite of that category and
then you have clear heat, andthen you'll have like a main
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category and then, depending onit, like subsections of that
category and they all belong tothat.
They all go into differentchannels, like different organs.
They have differentpresentations and, like it's
really insane, it soundscomplicated.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah.
And on top of that, we learnedthem in their opinion, which is
their chinese name.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So you're not learning the english name and,
to be fair, I there are some towhere, like, I actually do
better with pinion name, towhere someone has.
I know people that haveknowledge of like english name
or like latin name of herbs andthey have a really hard time
with pinion because I'm oppositeto where, like I can recognize
an herb by its pinion name but,like if you were to tell me,
like if that I wouldn't know itby the english name okay, you
(20:10):
know, but I know what.
It is just not correlated, okay,okay, yeah.
So that's really difficult.
And then there's herbalformulas, so that's whenever you
put a bunch of herbs together,depending on yeah to make the
formula and that depends.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Some only have like four medicinal purposes.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, some only have like four, uh, single herbs in
them.
Some have like up to 12.
Oh my gosh.
There's also contraindications,like certain herbs that you
wouldn't use with this becauseit like cancels out the effect
or there's the opposite of that,to where you could actually
make something worse, right, um?
And there's alsocontraindications with like
points and stuff too.
But, um, with herbs there'salso downward draining herbs, so
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you wouldn't want to prescribethat to someone who's pregnant
because you might induce.
Same with um.
There are certain points thatare contraindicated because
they're blood moving and youwouldn't want to like induce
anything that could potentiallyhappen there too.
But yeah, herbology isdefinitely the most difficult
it's like you're like apharmacist.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
This drug can interact with this one.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's so interesting.
It's so interesting to be ableto, you know, cook with herbs
and like use that like I don'tthink I've ever touched like the
traditional, like medicinecabinet someone has.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Since I've been sick I've only taken herbs or like so
you did give me kind of a stinkeye when I said I was going to
go take an ibuprofen.
Yeah, you gave me like thislike weird little look and I'm
like oh bitch, I don't got herbshere, I need my ibuprofen.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I'm wildly fascinated by herbology.
However, it is so difficultLike and I struggle, it's just a
lot um.
So it's been like I'm exhaustedright now you're tired talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That's been your most challenging class.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, would you say it's like, also like your least
favorite, because you said it'sinteresting I wouldn't say it's
my least favorite, or maybethere is resistance to it
because I know what it entailsto pass yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I feel like you're about to cry right now.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
No, I'm like no just thinking about that, I was like
I don't even know how to explainthis.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you have a class that's been like?
It's not that it's hard, it'sjust like boring.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, I couldn't even tell you because it's so
fucking boring, it's out of mymind.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was like a filler class almost.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
There's classes.
Yeah, that they have.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
There's asynchronous classes and it's just busy work
to where?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
it's like why, just for the credit?
Yeah, okay, it's annoying, it'sjust.
I mean I have resistancetowards school anyways, but
doing something because I knowit's just busy work.
There's sometimes where theassignment may not even and this
is for all subjects, but theassignment may not be even hard
like that hard, but I'm like Idon't want to do this it's like,
(22:53):
I'm like annoyed.
I'm like I don't want to dothis and that 3 am.
I'm like fuck, I gotta do this.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's like taking a class that you don't need, like
for your major, but you need itfor, like your general education
, kind of thing.
Yeah, and I'm just like I'm notgoing to use it in my life, but
I have to take it just becauseit's a requirement.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and it's.
That's like it's not your jam,no, and like the whole, like
education system is really it'slike these are the hoops you
need to jump through to getwhere you need to go, and
obviously I would feel likeanybody who wants to be an
acupuncturist.
Yes, you need school.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, don't just start sticking people.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, no, you definitely need school.
However, I do think bettersystems could be in place.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, hey, once you graduate and you got your
practice up and running and allthat, maybe you can over
overhaul the entire system maybe, but you're like I don't know
that even sounds tiring too.
I need a nap.
Speaking of speaking ofoverhauling the whole education
system, your plan after schoolis to become an acupuncturist
(23:57):
yeah okay, yeah and then, butuntil then, what are you
focusing on now?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
now.
Now I've actually, last October, I participated or enrolled in,
I don't know I did a breathworkpractice internship, so I
attended a series of lessons anddid a series of practicums, one
which we did today, yes, soshe's starting her own business.
She's getting the groundworkset up, yeah we're still on the
(24:29):
floor, but we finally got herback on instagram yes, it's very
exciting because I was like youhave to market yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You can't just rely on tiktok.
You gotta rely on tiktok, girl.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah tiktok is hard.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We haven't figured it out yet but I'm like you can't
just, you know, use tiktok.
You gotta market yourself oninstagram, so you're doing a
whole breath work yeah, so I'vetaken some time to finish up my
practicums.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It was kind of hard to juggle between end of term
classes as well as, like I justgot in my own way, like I was
fearful, running a bunch ofstories in my head, so it's
taken me a bit to, you know,just do it.
Um, and so, with the completionof my breath work, I've started
creating my website.
It will be out I want to saysoon, but soon could be working
(25:19):
on it.
I'm working on it, um, and soI've decided to create a social
media presence for my businessto just promote the fact that I
can be your guide in abreathwork journey.
I've also been leaning into theintegration of sound, and so
I'm expanding my musicalcollection.
(25:41):
I've got a good bunch right now,but, you know, there's so many
things that I want to includeand I also intertwine the two
when I do my breathwork sessions.
So, within what I can do now,as I'm still a student of
acupuncture, I want to startcreating a presence so that way
people maybe can have like alittle break on their doom
(26:01):
scrolling, you know, and justcreate like a, like a place to
pause.
You know, just you know, take amoment.
Have you taken a little breathtoday, and so I've curated like
a five-part series that I won'tspeak too much about, because
then you know if you're like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And yeah, we're only looking for positivity, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So I've created a five part series to where I will
start integrating a variety ofmy different instruments and I
will be making different typesof videos and I will be
whispering some words.
So if you're into thewhispering, ASMR yeah, tune in.
I've got something planned andin the works with that and then
(26:47):
hopefully I'll be able to reachpeople, so then I can help them.
Recenter, the point ofbreathwork.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
That was my next question.
What is breathwork?
What?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
is the point.
Yeah, so oftentimes we canbecome all kinds of
discombobulated.
We are just unbalanced.
Um, in a perfect world we'dlike to be balanced between our
mind, body, soul, spirit andsometimes the demands of just
life in general, the demands of,you know, being a parent, if
you're a parent, the demands ofa job or anything that can cause
(27:17):
you to just not be at home withyourself, whether it's's trauma
, addictions, you know there's awhole bag of that that can
cause us to not be in alignmentwith ourselves.
And breathwork is really achance to build that bridge back
to ourselves, to where we canfind balance within us, and
(27:38):
that's also without having to.
You know, if you're someonethat doesn't necessarily like to
speak about what you're goingthrough, I don't have to speak
to you.
This might be a little bitinvasive, but I get into your
body To get out of your mind.
We must go into our body.
Breath work is a chance towhere I can guide you, give you
the cues to breathing.
(27:59):
You're the one that's going inand doing the work and so
whatever comes up for you,that's what you'll work through,
and you didn't need to sit andhave an hour-long conversation
to that, but you should probablystill see your therapist now
that she's taking over for atherapist.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
She's just, you know, it's a different type of you
know way to center yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I'm really fascinated by somatic practices because
our bodies hold on to so muchinformation and trauma and
emotions, and that is justwildly fascinating to me that I
can do either a series ofmovements, I can do breath work,
I can do sound healing, andthat will tap into something
that I didn't even know neededto be worked on or addressed and
(28:41):
that will allow me to have arelease that I didn't even know
needed to be worked on oraddressed and that will allow me
to have like a release that Ididn't even know was possible,
like you can get certainmassages and then you might end
up having like an emotionalrelease, and that is so
interesting to me.
I'm just like, reallyfascinated by that.
So the fact that I canintertwine different modalities
will allow me to create thatsafe space for someone and don't
(29:02):
I'm not saying like you can'tspeak to me, I want to follow up
with you and I want to know howI can help you, like in the
time after your sessions as welltoo.
So in the creation of mywebsite, I'm getting you know
the final drafts ready and theservices I'll be providing.
Jesus Christ, I need to take abreath.
(29:23):
No, um, I will be havingbreathwork sessions and those
are typically about an hour.
I will have sound healingsessions if you want something,
because sometimes we needsomething different.
You know, breathwork is alittle bit more intensive and
(29:44):
you're more locked in andsometimes you just want to lay
there and that's what's wheresound healing can come in.
You know it depends on, like,what you need, so I want to be
able to curate services that canmeet you where you're at.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So it's kind of like not customized for each person,
but kind of customized in a way.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, in a way, um, and certain things could be a
little bit tailored depending onyou know how that goes, um, and
then I'll also be offering, uh,like one-on-one attunement
sessions, which is basically myway of saying, like one-on-one,
like alignment and like coaching, for even if you're thinking
about breathwork or soundhealing, whether or not you
(30:22):
don't even want any of thoseservices, you, you just want
that, like that is alsosomething I'll be offering.
What is that exactly?
It's where, like, anyone cancome talk to me, like if people
have questions or so kind oflike a consultation.
No, not a consultation.
I'll have a consult as well too, but like the one on one,
attunement sessions are more oflike a coaching type deal.
Attunement sessions are more oflike a coaching type deal, you
(30:46):
know, if someone wants to maybehave some guidance on sobriety,
or if somebody is.
You know any number of things.
I feel like I'm pretty wellversed in a lot, considering the
things that I've enduredthroughout my life and overcome,
and I'm still learning, I'mstill evolving, I'm still
shedding a bunch of layers.
I do not have it all figuredout, but just maybe, you know,
(31:07):
maybe I can be a sounding boardfor someone else that is
possibly going through.
Fuck off.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I was just wondering the way you said that.
I don't have it figured out.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't because I realized that maybe the way that
I'm sounding it could be likeoh, this person knows it all.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And I mean I think if anyone thinks anyone has it all
, like to think someone has itall figured out is just very
naive of yeah, nobody hasanything figured out, because I
was like listening to our um,the last episode and I was just
like, oh man, like kind of justin my head about things.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
So like I'm just like I don't want to sound a certain
way, but I was just like, ohman, I made it seem like
sobriety was easy and I was like, oh fuck, I didn't mean it.
I was like you know, I was like, no, you know, just things like
that.
So I just want to make surethat I'm clear and the fact that
, like, I'm not here to be, like, I'm superior to you because
I've gone through this and Ikind of know you're just able to
(32:00):
offer you own.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's more like an experience.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, it's just me like I understand, like may not
understand completely, dependingon what you have gone through
and I don't want to take awayfrom your experiences and your
feelings but, like I'munderstand, I am with you.
We are the same and if I canhelp you and provide any sort of
you know, I don't even knowwhat the word I'm looking for is
(32:22):
right now.
You know just just anything andlike, sometimes, like we don't
even feel secure with ourselves.
And I could say now, sittingwhere I'm at especially after
taking the whole year off, thesocial media and the things that
I've, you know, work through, Iam more sure of myself today,
sitting here right now, than Ihave ever been in my life and
(32:43):
I'm still learning things aboutmyself and there are still
things where I'm like, oh, okay,now I get it.
So I just want to be arelatable like safety space for
people if they don't have thatwithin themselves, and I don't
want to be a dependent crunchmore.
So, like, let me help you beable to do things for yourself
(33:05):
so you can take ownership andwho you are and who you want to
be and the things that you wantto overcome, because everyone
has the innate like intelligencewithin themselves to be whoever
they want to be.
But sometimes there's a bunch ofshit in the way yeah like I can
tell you right now that in 2019, like I probably didn't think
this shit was possible, right,and I didn't see things the way
(33:26):
that I see them now yeah, andit's been this ongoing thing
Even last year is widelydifferent from where things are
right now, yeah, and so I justwant to be that reminder for
people that, like, just keepgoing.
It can be hard, I'm still goingto cry about things and have
feel all kinds of differentthings, but the thing is I'll
(33:46):
always remember that this willpass.
This it's like things aretemporary.
So and that's another thingI've learned from school is the
duality of life.
I think I used to put myselfinto different boxes compared to
, like, who I was with.
You know, if I was in arelationship, I would try to put
myself in this box.
If I was over here, I'd be inthis box.
(34:07):
I'm the whole fucking box, I'meverything in that box.
I am the light, I am the dark,I am everything, and I don't
want to shy away from thoseaspects of my life, because we
should be everything, that whowe are, and sometimes I'm light,
sometimes I'm not, you know,yeah, and so, and I think
(34:29):
sometimes we get into this likefalse positivity of like we need
to always be thinking this way.
We need to always be thinkingthat way and no, if you're not
thinking that that way, allowyourself to be and feel and
think however you want to feelthat way.
That's not going to take awayanything that's good coming to
you, that doesn't make you a badperson or anything like that.
However, there's a balance tothat.
(34:50):
So don't stay in that shit toolong, you know, but also just be
authentic with yourself.
You can't have authenticrelationships with anyone if you
don't meet yourselfauthentically first.
So you can only meet people asfar as you've met yourself, and
that sounds so fucking clichebut it's fucking true.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's true you get a lot of um cliches nowadays, but
I mean it's because they're kindof technically true yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Waste of life there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
So earlier today, you and I did a breathwork session
and you had asked me what areyou hoping to gain from this?
Nothing, oh no, I didn't saythat she's giving.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Anna Delvey nothing.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I didn't say that.
I said actually I don't knowbecause I don't really know what
we're about to do.
Yeah, I should.
Actually I don't know because Idon't really know what we're
about to do.
Yeah, I was.
I should have maybe Googled itor looked it up beforehand.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That's not necessary, but.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I was like I don't know.
I figured you would just tellme what to do, which you did, so
yeah, so what exactly did we do?
It was the breath work and thesound healing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I integrate sound A the sound healing.
Yeah, I integrate sound.
A lot of people and a lot ofpractitioners also integrate
sound as well too.
It's not like I'm you knowdoing, you know, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
I integrate sound because itallows me to stay active and
present, Whereas I think alsoI've done a lot of sessions
online and I'm not tech savvy,so trying to, you know, play
(36:19):
music as well as that, like Idon't know, it just seemed more
natural to me to playinstruments, and instruments I
mean like sound bowls, chimes Umyeah, I've got like a little
like wave drum, um, and chimeslike a different, a different
set of chimes.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Cause like they're like different frequencies and
pitches and my cat's freaked outmy cat's scram like.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
They're like.
Oh like.
I don't even like I pick up themallet before I.
The gong was way too heavy forme to like oh yeah, she didn't
bring everything today yeah, Ihave a gong, I love it.
Um you'll see them in her videosyes, um and so, yeah, I like to
integrate sound because itallows me to stay present and
aware and like inclusive, so I'mnot just like standing there
(37:08):
looking at you, I like to walkaround and move and um, and it
helps me cause I have a hardtime, like you know.
I just have a hard time sittingstill.
Yeah exactly so it just allowsme to just be more present in
that.
So, um, typically, if I were athome and we were doing the
first round, cause, um, thefirst round is in and out
(37:30):
through your mouth and that's alittle bit faster tempo, and
that's more about.
It's intentionally supposed toramp up your nervous system.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, I didn't like it.
Yeah, I was.
She's breathing really slowly.
Yeah, I was just like I don'tI'm not enjoying this right now
like it did it does make youfeel a little like more anxious
almost a little bit, especiallyif you've never done it as well
too.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So there's that factor as well.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, she was like like tell, like doing, telling
me how to do it, and I was likeI'm not doing that in my head.
I was thinking, I was like I'mgoing at my pace.
She said I could go at my pace.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
No, exactly, and I like to let people know that,
like, even if I'm giving youcues and that's a bit faster
than you would like to go youare in control.
You breathe at your own tempobecause this is your journey and
you need to feel comfortable,otherwise you're not gonna drop
into whatever you're feelingyeah typically I'll play more of
the gong in that round.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Okay, oh, because it's, yeah, it just like helps.
Okay, yeah, my whole hand isall Makes you a little more
anxious.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, a little bit.
I love it, yeah.
And then the more softerfrequencies all kind of you know
go to like the second rounds,when we're focused more on our
exhale, like in through the noseand out through the mouth,
because that's our moregrounding, calming back to
ourselves.
I like that one.
Yeah, this time I kind of justintertwined everything together
(38:48):
because I didn't have that, likeyou know, right, that also that
big gong.
Yeah, our method was just moreof a circular breathing.
We'll do three rounds of inthrough the mouth, out through
the mouth, and then we'll dothree rounds in through the nose
and out through the mouth, witha focus on your exhale, and
there will be a series of breathholds in between each round for
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you to settle in.
The first round is aboutclearing, and that's why it
feels a little bit more intense.
I cannot remember at the top ofmy head right now, but there is
a scientific factor as to whyyou would feel like those more
tingly feelings at the top of myhead right now but there is a
scientific factor as to why youwould feel like those more
tingly feelings.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's so.
She did warn me that I wasgonna like my hands could cramp
up or I could get like the liketingly fingers or toes.
So I was aware of that.
But then, when everythingstarted tingling, I was like, oh
, like I got the tingles yeah,and that could be.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
you know, it varies from person to person.
It also varies on the tempo inwhich you're breathing as to,
maybe, how intense thosephysiological responses can be,
and that's why I like to let myclients know that they are in
control.
So if they don't like that, Iinvite them to settle into that,
because I'm like, ooh, it'sworking.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, she was like I get joy to know that it's
tingling.
I'm like, oh, you're kind of afreak.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
My hands have been like literally like cramped,
like this before, and like I'velet them be there because I'm
like, yeah, it's working.
But that's just you know thatyou can change that right.
(40:27):
You can still participate inbreath work, and it doesn't need
to be that way.
You can just slow down yourbreath, or if you want to get
that way, you can just speed itback up, right?
you know, you can go in and out,um, depending on what, more
comfortable for you, and so Ilike to do a very thorough
briefing before our session.
So then, that way you can,because anytime somebody or I'm
speaking from my experience, butanytime I would do something
(40:50):
that I've never done before it'sreally hard for me to like be
fully present in that, becauseI'm like worried, like what am I
supposed to expect?
So I want to be as thorough aspossible and, granted, you still
might go there, because if itis a new experience, and whether
or not you've done breath workzero times or a thousand, each
experience is different.
You it might not be the same,you know it can go a billion
(41:13):
different ways, but I like tolet you know here are some of
the common things that you mightexpect during this.
So then, that way, when it, ifit does arise, you could be like
okay, right, this is normal.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Like I can kind of you know into it?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
yeah, I can.
I can continue to be presentand focus on my breath and the
cues and I'm not freaking out.
Like what am I?
You?
Know what's happening you know,especially if you're like
someone that like worries aboutlike time, um, sometimes it's
hard for me to drop into asession.
Um, especially like when I'vedone them in the beginning of
doing breath work, it's hard forme to drop in Cause I'm also
(41:47):
like wondering.
I'm like okay, like how longhave I been breathing, like how?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
long have I been there?
You know, I will say I wasdoing that in my head.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Like, okay, wait, how long has it been?
I don't know how long it's been.
Yeah, and it's hard, andsometimes there is a little like
I'm also in my head sometimes,because I'm like, are these
landing?
Like is is it working right?
You know like it's.
Like you know, is what I'mdoing, you know working for her,
and I don't know.
(42:13):
And sometimes I'm like, oh crap.
And then I'm like I don't wantto speak too much, so I'm like,
but then they'll be like deadsilence and I'm just like crap
like is that too much dead spaceor right enough?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
and I'm still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and I guess it'll come, you know, depending
right, and that's another reasonwhy I like playing instruments,
because then, if I'm feelingthat, then I can at least have
the frequencies help you guidein to your breath as well too,
which that feels nice.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I really enjoyed the, the instruments and the sounds
like yeah, you even like walkedover me and you did like one of
those like low frequency, likeyeah yeah, yeah, like I liked it
.
And that was when the catbolted oh yeah, my cat was
sitting next to me and he waslike chill and he really wasn't
having an issue.
She got close to him with thatball and he booked it I.
(43:00):
It scared me because I was liketrying to be in my moment yeah,
and he jumped right on me andwas like boom yeah, luckily.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
That was like in the beginning yeah, um, but then
there was construction yeah, no,yeah, you heard everything
around us and it's like, yeah,and I was like, oh man like and
I'm getting nervous, because Ialso know her pretty well.
So I'm like okay, like is thisgonna completely take her out of
this?
So I tried to be like okay,like continue to focus on your
breath like let's you knowacknowledge that there are
(43:28):
sounds around you.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, you did say that a few times, um, but I got
in my head, I was freaking out,I was just no, yeah, you kept
saying tune out the noise, focuson your breath.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, so I was like okay, yeah, and I don't know why
I like as soon as like I'mdoing session, like my voice
changes.
I'm not loud and obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
She became very soft and subtle.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's giving phone operator yes, yeah I'm
definitely not as high pitchedum, it's very low yeah, she, she
lowers, lowers the volume andthe frequency yeah, and the
pitch.
So I'm glad I have that setting.
Yeah, um, yeah, but for themost part it was good.
It was my first like in person,so it was nice to be able to
(44:12):
play around like how I wouldessentially do stuff, because
normally I'm like on, you know,I do a lot of virtual so I just
have like yeah, so I'll justhave, like my little setup for
your great hair and then I thinkthat might be a little bit
nervous because, like I'm in thechair and I'm like you know
this, I got to, like, walkaround right.
I'm all like doing the chimesaround you, yeah and so that
felt nice.
And then there was a few timesto where the cats were intrigued
(44:35):
by the noises and so they weremaking little trippy sounds.
And then then they would likewander in the room and I'm like,
oh, you better not jump.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I was like please don't jump on her, please don't
jump on her.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
But they didn't, so we're good and it was like I
told like when we were done withit, she was like okay, how do
you feel?
And I was like I feel tingly.
I was like I have the tingles.
And then when I went to standup which I think I stood up a
little too fast I was like whoa,I got a head rush, but it was
like kind of not an out of bodyexperience.
(45:09):
It was just kind of like I feltlike floaty and that's not
really a proper term, but yeah,I just felt like I was like kind
of floating there and it justfelt like like.
I just felt like like.
I just felt like like I was atthe beach almost, I think that's
like it was nice to see.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I need to like ask for consent before I'd be like,
do you mind if I take photos,because it'd be so funny to see
people's like initial facials.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Like obviously I'm not going to Open their eyes.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, yeah, because like you look so like, really
like don't know what to make ofthis.
Yeah, and like the most andthat's nice because I'm like
yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, the best thing I can equate it to is if, like,
you're lying on the beach, likein the sun, listening to, like
the waves and like the sounds of, like you know, the ocean and
birds and whatnot, and then youlike open your eyes, it's like
kind of like that kind of afeeling.
Yeah it's like what I canequate it to the most which is
nice.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I love that.
I've even had people tell methat they've seen colors.
They've drifted off intoanother like space okay um, but
I've had people feel likerelease and like block any
blockages that they've had intheir body or, you know, if
they've been working on gettingthrough something they've felt
released, and I've even hadpeople um like scream and like
(46:25):
let out aggression and just likebe angry, which is another
spectrum of something that youcould possibly experience
depending on what's going on,and then I've also had people
giggle and laugh.
Yeah, um, there's all kinds ofdifferent uh experiences that
you will have, and so that'skind of the beauty of it,
because you, you know, I can'ttell you like, oh, this is what
(46:46):
you know this is what you'regonna feel.
Yeah, I can tell you, like youknow more or less, like you know
, potential feelings like withthe cramping and the
tinglingness and stuff like that.
But however, like the, thedynamic of your journey is
different every time.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
So, and that's what's really beautiful about it
because all you have to do isjust show up and be open, and as
long as you're open, you'll.
You'll go wherever you need togo, right, and so that's you
know there we go, I think.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I think that's a beautiful way to end it.
All right.
So, now that you are fully onsocial media, finally, what?
Where can people find you onInstagram?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
You can find me on Instagram at BCHIFLOW BCFLOW.
Those are my business handlesand if you just want to follow
me, you can go to follow her asa person.
Yeah, you know I don't reallycare about that, but but you
know, if you want to get moreinsight into who I am that's
(47:51):
more um you can go to Instagramat Britannia B R I T T A N I A
dot S A L-Z-A-R, and then TikTokis BSalz.
Either one of them.
I couldn't get those ones tomatch.
Yeah, so those are my socials.
And then on my business page inInstagram, my email is listed
(48:15):
and it should be a clickablelink to where you can email me
if you have any questions, ifyou were thinking about sessions
, or maybe just follow my page,because why not?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
and her website is coming soon.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
So then it is coming soon.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You'll be able to see all the services listed um book
appointments and sessions andwhatnot.
All that all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I do virtual sessions .
I'm open to doing likein-person sessions, but that
will most mostly be for likegroup sessions, like if it's
going to be like a group thing,to where maybe you're hosting an
event or if you want to, youknow, get a group of your
girlfriends or do a session withyour significant other, then
(48:56):
I'm more than likely to do anin-person.
But because I am busy withschool and everything like that
and I'm still figuring thingsout right now, virtually is kind
of the best option for me.
But I'm open, I'm stillfiguring it out.
So just send me an emailhonestly.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, just email her, she'll let you know what's
going on.
And then you can find myselfand the podcast at
emily2gremilypod on TikTok.
And then you can find myselfand the podcast at emily to
gremlin pod on tiktok andinstagram.
Also, make sure to send in yourgremlin stories to emily to
gremlin pod at gmailcom.
I don't know why saying thatevery time is always a challenge
(49:35):
it is a mouthful, it's amouthful.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Oh, and before we forget, if you have any drinks
that you would like to be madeor seen on.
Whenever she's doing a soloepisode, send those in with your
gremlin story.
So then that way, depending youknow, maybe if she picks a
certain gremlin story, she picksa drink attached to it.
Yeah, it's not a requirement,but that's just something fun
that you might want to add ideaand I was like that sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, today obviously we're just doing water.
I don't think I'm going to bedoing the drinks for tiktok
anymore.
Um, we did one for the lastepisode and it was kind of a
disaster because she was inframe completely but standing
there smiling and I was half outof the frame.
That one obviously didn't getposted because it's basically
(50:19):
just one giant blooper, butthat's okay yeah, so that's just
something fun.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
If you want to see it , yeah, you know.
Or if that drinks like remindsyou of your gremlin story, you
know.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, on in yeah, send in your gremlin story with
the drink that made you agremlin, and then we'll see how
long it takes for me to become agremlin in that episode.
It'll be a fun littleexperiment to see how fast I
spiral.
Oh man, well, that's it.
Yeah, thanks for coming back.
We'll cheers again with ourwater, which hopefully doesn't
(51:00):
bring us bad luck, cheersies.
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