Men Are Trash

What happens when men with all the resources, influence, and opportunity in the world still manage to disappoint? In this unfiltered conversation with returning guest Spice, we dive deep into the hypocrisies and failures of modern masculinity.

Spice shares exciting news about launching her own podcast called "Men Are Trash," where she'll expose problematic male behavior. Drawing from her experience as a retired sex worker, Spice offers a powerful perspective on this blatant double standard that perfectly exemplifies why her new podcast is necessary in today's climate.

The conversation takes fascinating turns as we explore why ultra-wealthy men often become bored despite unlimited possibilities, the troubling TikTok saga of a content creator's unbalanced marriage, and our critical takes on how Hollywood portrays sex work through a disappointing male gaze. Between discussing our mutual love for gangster films and reality TV recommendations, we share stories about witnessing injustice and why neither of us can stay silent when we see someone being wronged.

Throughout it all runs a central question: Why do so many men fail to "go the distance" anymore? As we reminisce about romantic classics like The Notebook, we can't help but wonder, what happened to men who would build houses and write 365 letters? This blend of cultural criticism, personal experience, and unapologetic honesty creates a thought-provoking look at gender dynamics that will leave you examining your own expectations and experiences.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
cheers.
All right, this is like takefour of this podcast episode,
but she made it technical.
Technical difficulties, that'sstrong.
We did vodka soda for thisepisode and, um, that's a lot of
vodka.
You needed it.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now I do geez.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's really hard being sound Audio.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it's already been a long day.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I need a sound and visual engineer.
If anyone knows someone or ifyou want to be one, hit me up.
Okay, we're on podcast numberepisode two, emily degramoli.
Again, we're back here withspice.
Hello, hello.
Thanks for having me again, ofcourse, thanks for working
through my technical difficulty.
I've got patience.

(01:02):
I've got you got patience, wegot time.
Yes, you have patience.
I don't have patience.
Certain things.
I was over here about to throwum a full-on tantrum, I know I
saw I was like it's gonna happen.
Did you see me start togrumbling out where I was like
don't break the computer, don'tbreak the computer like wait we
need the computer, don't breakit in half don't snap it.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I say she's gonna snap it.
I see she's going to snap.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's working?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, and if it's not working, then we're going to do
it's working, take five, takefive.
All right, we got it going.
Hopefully sound and video isworking.
I don't know, we'll see.
I'm flustered yes, he's a littleflustered I'm having I'm having
issues, but we're good, we'regood we're back.
Episode bigger episode one wasa success.

(01:48):
It was, it was fun.
We're happy with it, we'reexcited, we got good feedback
and we're back for episode two.
Yes, and we did our homework.
Yes, well, I thought we did ourhomework and then I couldn't
figure out the system today.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
That was a technicality, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
We were almost there, almost almost.
Episode three will be hopefullya little less clunky.
Yes, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't know, check back next week.
We'll smooth it out, it'll getthere.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes, so Emily DeGrammely, episode two Again,
our drink of the week is, it's asimple one Vodka soda, again
with Tito's.
We're trying to be healthy.
Yes, yeah, we thought low-cal,not so much sugar.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, because you choke to death and I'm like the
bubbles, the bubbles.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
My bubbles.
So what's been new since lastweek?
How are your bebes?
Oh, oh, they're so good.
And my babies, I mean kittiesyes, um, my babies are amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
So my baby's name are maze, maizey and pj, named
after pucifer, so it's puciferjr.
So he's doing good.
He's so annoying, I'm not evengonna lie.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I need to get his little kitten face.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes and his balls are making him go nuts, like I
haven't gotten him fixed yet.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yes, you're holding off on it.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
He's so rambunctious Like I can't.
Yesterday I was wearing a robeand he went under the robe.
It's like pretty long, likekind of my ankles.
It was a hotel robe and hejumped up it and, trying to
climb my leg, he just like keptjumping up towards my ass.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It was like I was like get out.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
You know, he's just full of so much energy.
I love him so much.
He's so mouthy, he talks allthe time and what PJ wants, PJ
gets.
And is Maisie just like?
She's so docile now?
Is she just like the oldersister, like, yeah, she just
scoffs at him and she's getting?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
really annoyed when I try to play with her, like with
one of the cat toys and theones that like dangle.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, they jump like with the feathers and stuff.
Yeah, she wants to play and soI give her play time but he
takes over.
He takes over like he is fasterthan her, you know, because
he's a kitten.
So she just goes and like walksaway.
She doesn't want to playanymore.
So, like, if I want to playwith her, I have to like put him
in the cat room and like playwith her and give her undivided

(04:10):
attention, because I can tellshe is not happy.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
She's not feeling it Like having to share playtime.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
She'll like.
Look She'll be like.
Are you kidding?
My turn to like play with thetoy.
She's good, she, she's good,she sleeps all day.
And she's my little chunkymonkey girl.
They're good, they're healthwise, so much better.
Mace had that rash that waslike ridiculous.
Yeah, they're good.
Pj has no more coughing spasmsor whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
The last time we were talking we were talking about
maybe he has asthma, yeah, andhe might need that little
inhaler yeah, they prescribedhim one, but I haven't had to
use it yet okay, he hasn't hadany reason for me to use it, but
yeah, if he, it's gonna behilarious.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, we're gonna dress him up as bane yeah,
that's what I was like.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I hope he doesn't need the inhaler.
I hope he doesn't have asthma,but if he does, bright side is
the cutest little.
He's like a little bane.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I was born in the darkness yeah, they're good,
they're spoiled.
They live in large and incharge for sure and, yeah, I
can't get enough of them.
I love my sphinxes.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
They're so cute yeah, oh yeah, that's the other thing
they're, they're naked theylive life in the nude.
They are almost like their mamayes, we're all nudists around
here.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's so weird being with emily's cats, where they
have whiskers and fur and Idon't know yeah she was playing
with them and she was like oh mygod, they have whiskers.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
And I was like oh yeah, your cats I have no
whiskers, no, no.
Like what is it?
Eyelashes or eyebrow?
Whatever they got nothing, theygot nothing, they're like
albino.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, it's so weird.
They have the dots wherewhiskers would be, but nothing
grows out of them it's theweirdest thing, yeah, yeah, no,
we're good, we're very muchhappy at home.
Yes, thank you.
And then Maybe still hisses athim, but that's never going to
go away.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And then we have new news, which is you're coming out
with your own podcast too.
I am yes.
Which?
Is by your back so we can talkabout it.
I'm Get a little taste of whatit's going to be about.
So, the name of the podcast MenAre Trash Podcast.
Because they are yes and thesedays we're living in.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I'm sorry, but we're just going to keep exposing
these bad men.
We're just going to keepexposing them and you know they
just keep giving us reasons to.
So it's a never-ending contentfor me.
You know, I'm like every day isa new feel like you're gonna
have a lot of episodes where youcould just talk about what's

(06:29):
going on that week.
Yeah, no, literally thepolitical climate, everything.
There's a new.
There's a new headline with anew man doing something horrific
, every, every goddamn day.
So, like I said, never-endingcontent to talk about yeah, lots
to work with.
Yes, so men are trash podcast.
I'm super excited it willprobably.
I don't have a set launch date.
I think I want to be bymid-April Cool.
Yes.
So we're nearing the end ofMarch.
I don't want to wait until theend of the month.

(06:50):
I want to do it mid-month.
Nice, get that little jump offpoint and we will be doing
episodes every Sunday Fun.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, exciting Every Sunday, so I'm very excited
about that.
It took me, like you know, Ihad a launch date and then it
just kept getting pushed back,pushed back, pushed back.
It's like I can't plan becauselife doesn't care about your
plan.
No, yeah, there was alwayssomething going on.
I was like, okay, you know what, next week, next week, it'll be
fine.
And then I was like I need tostop announcing it because
people are going to be like,okay, yeah, so what?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, throw it out there, and it's hard with my
cats.
They're so mouthy so I reallyneed to soundproof the room,
like really soundproof it, andcoordinate it around their nap
time, because otherwise they'rescratching at the door, right
they're.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I mean, they could just be like I was just gonna
feature them in it at the end ofthe day.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
But we'll see how that goes.
Yeah, I think they could be myco-host, really host really at
the end of the day, to just makethat work there you go, and is
it going to be just you, or areyou gonna have guests?
It's gonna be me.
We'll have guests as well.
Uh, probably every other week,not every episode, but yeah, I
want to get people's opinions onthe things that I'm speaking
about and people to speak abouttheir own personal experiences
with men, which we got we allhave that experience we all have

(07:59):
something every woman's got astory every man's got a story.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Every man's got a story too.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
We're going to have plenty of guests to assist me in
taking these men down.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
What's an example of an episode?
What are?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
we talking about.
I had my first episode plannedout I really did but now
something else just came amissand inspired me to take him down
first.
Not necessarily take him down,just speak on him.
Since he wants to talk shit, wewill talk shit right back with
him.
So my first episode was goingto be based on the documentary
that I watched called house ofhammer oh, about army hammer

(08:35):
yeah, and his yes, but allegedcannibalism because, apparently
we're not allowed to say heactually is one that's so stupid
.
Um, how they did that.
But the hammer family itself islike an unbreakable dynasty and
from generation to generationhave gotten away with horrific
things, horrific.
And when I was done watchingthat documentary I was just like

(08:56):
horrified, so horrified yes,and inspired.
And I live right next to thehammer museum and that was the
first time I saw that name.
Like I never thought about armyhammer when I thought, when I
saw the documentary house ofhammer, I was like, oh, hammer
museum, you know and you see,like hammer, the hammer
foundation, and like there'sother places in homey hills,
like hammer park, like there'sall these different things, and

(09:18):
I was like, wow, this family isvery well protected.
Yes, they can buy their way outof anything they always have.
And each man, generation togeneration to generation, has
just passed down all they justget worse and worse worse and
worse, but it's like they'rebred to do these things, so
we're going to talk about themon episode two.
Episode one is going to befocusing on bill maher Ah.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, I have a feeling , mr Maher, on why yes, since he
just recently made headlines,for how did he put it so
delicately?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Basically, how would we say that Bill Maher doesn't
agree that prostitutes are sexworkers, or he was very much
astounded that we get therespect of being called the sex
worker community when we'resimply prostitutes.
Yeah, okay, you know what Imean.
So I'm like no and I had you'renot loving that.

(10:14):
Not loving that because I knowthe man personally and I know
personally what he's done and Imean it's not like he hasn't
been in the media for it before.
He's notoriously known forhiring sex workers.
That's the only person who willsleep with him.
The only person who will sleepwith him is if they're paid to.
So when I saw that episodefirst, I saw the article, saw

(10:37):
the article, went to go read thewhole article and then he
doubled down and posted it, evenon his own Instagram.
It was like a three minute longreel or whatever, of the clip of
his show real time with billmaher, and I was astounded with
the things that were coming outof his mouth.
And men just think they can getaway with saying whatever they
want and unless you're gonna payto silence me a lot of money,

(10:59):
I'm gonna talk my shit just like.
You're free to talk your shit,not like.
So whatever.
He didn't ask me to signanything.
Well, there we go, there we go.
He didn't ask me to sign shit.
So stay tuned for all the juicydetails because I, like I said,
I know this man personally.
I think it's so disrespectfulwhat he said, even having what I
thought was even some type offriendship.

(11:20):
You know what I mean, asidefrom the way that I met him,
which we'll get into in myepisode.
But he's a connoisseur of hose,so for him to look down on hose
I'm not here for it, did he?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean, I wasn't like fully.
I saw the article and I wasjust like, okay, here we go,
yeah, but was he mainly talkingabout?
He compares it to slavery.
Yeah, like is that?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
what it was off the back of like so yeah, it was
very frustrating yeah, he wasbasically saying that the oscars
should have been called thejohns.
Oh, and I was like so nowyou're disgracing the oscars you
know what?
I mean he talked shit aboutsean baker himself saying
because all sean baker's filmsare based off sex workers, you
know, he brings light todifferent types of sex work.

(12:03):
My favorite movie is tangerine,which sheds light on the sex,
the trans, transgender, sexworker community that work the
streets of la, and it was sorealistic.
I thought it was very spot on.
He uses a lot of same people inhis movies too, and I kind of
like that and they playdifferent characters and do
cameos and different ones, likethe driver in onora the priest

(12:25):
guy is mainly driving, he's inTangerine as a taxi driver.
And the woman at the end ofAnora who's doing the annulment,
the blonde woman.
She plays a sex worker inTangerine.
So he reads the same people.
But Bill had the nerve to saylike I think Sean Baker is like
obsessed with whores, and I'mlike, says the baker is like

(12:45):
obsessed with whores.
And I'm like, says the manwho's obsessed with whores, like
are you kidding me?
Like he's just gone too far,put his foot in his mouth.
And he always put his foot inhis mouth on his show.
You know, no one ever saysanything.
I don't really watch, grandpaneeds to go to bed like
basically okay, grandpa needs togo to bed, so we're gonna put
him to bed.
Okay, there we go stay tunedguys every episode.

(13:06):
It could be current events, itcould be past events.
We're just basically divinginto the atrocities men have
committed since the beginning oftime.
We got a lot to work with.
Yeah, yeah, yes, you're gonnanever run out of content.
Seriously, I could open ahistory book.
I could open a magazine.
I could open instagram and findanything to go on.
There you go.
They're giving us a reason.

(13:27):
Yes, stop giving us reasons.
Stop giving the reasons.
Actually, don't, don't stopgiving us reasons.
You're like wait, hold on, Ineed more content.
I take that back, yes, yeah, soI'm going to get into.
He said Right, perfect, yeah,the screenshots will be there,
the receipts, the timeline, allthere.
Are you nervous about likeretaliation?

(13:49):
Not really.
What can you say?
I'm not defaming you Like youcould threaten to sue for
defamation, libel, whatever, butI have a perfectly good defense
for that.
There's nothing that.
I've said it's not defamation,if it's true yeah, I'm like I
have the text messages, I havemy own experiences with you.
There's nothing you can do.
The only thing has that couldhappen is his lawyers reach out
to me and ask me to sign an ndaand ask not to speak about him

(14:10):
anymore, and I'm like, okay, Iwant six figures.
Oh yeah, so there's that we'llsee.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm not scared of him .

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I'm not scared of an old crinkly white man they're
usually old.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
And who wears shoulder pads?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
oh, he's so insecure.
Yes, to wear shoulder pads tomake himself feel big and broad.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, I feel like I'm wearing shoulder pads because my
my sweater's bulky.
No, no, no, yeah, I'm like man,I'm like.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You dye your hair, you wear makeup, you wear
shoulder pads like stop talkingshit about women when you wear
more makeup than I do, don't doit we got lots of animosity,
yeah let's go go.
People get outed all the timein hollywood like right, you're
no different.
This isn't some scandal like befucking for real, be fucking
pro.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's not that serious it's not a an army hammer
scandal.
Yeah, you know, he's not eatingpeople here.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly yes he didn't say he
wanted to cut out one of my ribsand barbecue it and eat it.
So you know, did you?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
okay, so I guess army hammer now has a podcast.
I saw I have very low budgettoo, for who he is I haven't.
I mean, I haven't seen it.
I don't know how low budgetthis is looking right now.
We'll see when I edit it.
Um, but it's.
I've only heard about it fromother podcasts or other people
are talking about it, and he hadmade a comment that he was, I

(15:26):
guess he like made out withanother man, a French man, and
that he, the guy, went to gotouch him and that the guy was
like, oh no, no, no, because hewasn't hard.
And it's like you don't have totell these stories, bro.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like you could just keep it to yourself.
What, what's this podcast theylike to?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
yap about things, because I think they're just
bored with their lame lives likethe richest people are the
poorest people like money can'tbuy you everything.
I do remember this conversationI had, he's so rich he's poor
with this.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
this guy and you know he was very well off Couldn't
tell you who he is or what hedid.
I just know he had a very greatdeal amount of money.
We ended up having aconversation and he told me that
he thinks life is really boring.
I was like, well, why we hadtalked about his travels and the

(16:22):
places he's been and thingshe's done and he was just like,
well, I've kind of done it alllike there's no, there's nothing
nothing gets you off.
Yeah, there's nothing left andhe's just like I just kind of,
you know, like live day to dayand I was like, but you could do
anything.
He's like yeah, that's theproblem.
He's like I've, you know, I'vebeen everywhere, I've wanted to
go, you know.

(16:42):
Know, I've been skydiving, I'vedone this, I've done that and
I'm just bored.
That's what I like.
And I'm like that's so sad.
Like you know me over herebeing like I would love to
travel to this place and go hereand do this and it's just like.
But I guess, once you've doneeverything like and he seemed
like kind of like solemn.
Yeah, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
yeah, you know Money could fix a lot of my problems.
A lot, maybe not all A lot, butyou're born into it or like you
have always grown up with sometype of privilege or luxury life
, I guess it would be.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's very empty.
Pretty, pretty boring, prettyjust like yeah, he was just like
yeah, you know, I'm justgetting through the day I'm like
getting through the day content.
You're not content withanything yeah, everything was
just like blasé for him, likegreat.
I was like yeah, like it, likeit bummed me out.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I was like all right, well you have the ability to do
anything yeah, anything and youchoose to sit here and wallow
like, yeah, you're like, youknow, talk like we were just
like it was just like you know,a party of some sort, and we
were just like talking.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I was like, all right , well, have a good night.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I guess like god damn , it's very sad and I'm over
here like oh my god okay likeall right, what would I do with
that money?
Yeah, like I'm over here.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I'm over here like planning what I could do.
You know like, wow, you know,if I won the lottery, this is
what I would do yeah, I mean,but how many you know?
You always hear those storiesabout lottery winners where they
go broke.
They lose it all within youknow however many years, because
they don't know one how tomanage money.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
They don't know how to manage money and then they
just blow through it and it'slike but I admit like I think
even when I started making asignificant amount of money,
like I blew a lot of it and like, right, you don't, when you
first get money, you don't knowwhat it's like to have money and
you think it'll just come thateasy all the time?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
definitely so.
I relate to that a little bit,but not as much as people who
have that type of wealth.
I think it's the young and dumbaspect of it where you're just
like, oh, okay, yeah, Like youknow, I remember when I would
have like a good shift, you knowwaitressing I'd be like, oh,
it's great.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And then the next Then you just blow it all,
because I'll make double tipstomorrow.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, it's like, oh, I'll just make it back tomorrow.
And then it was like, oh no,tonight was crap, yeah.
And I was like, all right, well, hold on.
Yeah, they're you know having agood old time.
Yes On, you know my dime.
And then the next day I waslike, oh no.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, exactly, and people who have that money.
But I just don't understand whythey don't start businesses or
something.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean I guess they do, and then it's just boring or
like why don't they want tochange the world or do good Like
okay.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
you're sitting here bored Like do world, or do good
like okay you're sitting herebored like, do you contribute to
society?
I mean, you think of someonelike elon musk.
Oh, I don't like to think ofhim, but I don't either.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I get very dry, yeah.
But all that money in the worldand you came out with a cyber
truck, yeah, and spaceships thatblow up, spaceships that blow
up and, um, you could do so muchwith that, he's over here
procreating an army Of childrenthat hate him Of children?
Yeah, he's not claiming half ofthem.

(19:49):
He's breeding human shields.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So sad.
Not the human shield, I mean?
Who uses their child like that?
He's breeding human shields.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
He's going to make another one, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
How dare you?
I mean that one chick, ashleySt Clair, apparently just had
his.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Are we talking about the 13th one or the 14th one?
The 14th?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Isn't she?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
the 14th.
I heard that he was claimingthe 14th and the 13th was the.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
The maybe We'll see.
I don't know.
I don't even know who wouldsleep with that alien looking
weird skin sack.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think that's the real mystery of it all.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I would sleep with Elon Musk.
14 times.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I mean, I guess he's kind of like a meal ticket.
Yeah, I guess, but not really Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Grimes can't get a dollar out of him.
She can't even get him toanswer the phone.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
I don't think she has access to her child.
I think she's kind of lost herkid.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's the problem with you.
Know.
Even non-famous people,non-wealthy people, like men
love to knock women up and thengive them nothing in return.
That's true, you know.
It's just like it's a trashymen thing that they do Trashy
trashy.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Oh, speaking of trashy.
Okay, so I talked to you alittle bit about this TikTok
drama.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Oh yeah, sarah Kim, this tiktok drama.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh yeah, sarah kim I'm not really on tiktok, so she
fills me on everything youcould she okay, you are on it,
but I'm not on it.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm on ig.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I could stay on ig for hours but no tiktok, you can
stay on for hours, because it'sjust scroll, scroll, scroll
what I do on instagram.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Eventually, on instagram, you hit a limit, you
hit your I do does not exist itexists.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
For me, tiktok is that's how I feel, but okay, who
?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
is this woman.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Okay, I didn't know about her.
You know, like a week and ahalf ago, um, I started
following her because actuallyno, I lie, I started leaning
into her tiktok because peoplewere talking about her, so I was
interested.
So I go on her page and herpage looks like really cute.
She makes um, she's korean, shemakes kimchi with her mom and

(21:46):
her dad and you know, she hasreally cute, wholesome content.
Curious where this is headed.
She has very cute, wholesomecontent.
You know she's married.
She lives in, um, the bay area.
She has a very corporate, youknow, nine to five, probably a
little later than five, becauseit's, you know, corporate
america, yeah, and um, you knowI didn't really see what the
issue was yeah and and then Istarted watching her get ready

(22:08):
with me's and she does get readywith me from five to nine for
her nine to five and I was like,okay, you know she has to get
up early, you know she likes todo her, she's a content woman
whose husband doesn't doanything yes, okay, so she's a
content creator and has afull-time nine to five while her
husband stays at home playsvideo games.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, I knew it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
So I walk that.
At first I was like okay, offof his head, hold on like he
doesn't have a job.
Then I was like, okay, wait,hold on, he is, he's still
waiting in for this.
He's um, he's like a pastor ora minister of some sort which
you know I can appreciate ifthat's like your calling in life
.
You know religion's not reallymy forte, my thing.
But if it's yours, you knowit's the Libra in me.

(22:51):
I'm being real, you know,mediator about it.
Yeah, that's cool.
And you know they don't reallymake a lot of money.
There's not a lot of money inthat field unless you're
stealing from the church yeah,unless you're, you know, living
that evangelical life you gotgoing on.
Unless you're joel ostein.
Yes, but that doesn't seem tobe him.
So I was just like, okay, youknow, he doesn't make that much
money.
Come to find out he does thatbut doesn't really make money.

(23:15):
But they have a podcasttogether and it's one of those
things where you're like maybeyou shouldn't do a podcast
together, because now people arepointing out the
inconsistencies in the storieswhere he's talking about their
finances and now she's pregnant.
That's the other thing.
So do they have kids already?
No, okay.
So this is her first pregnancyand people noticed in her get

(23:37):
ready with me's she was kind oflike not moving slowly, but you
could tell she just wasn't likefeeling her best.
It was because she was in herfirst trimester, feeling
nauseous.
She said she had a really badfirst trimester.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, she was fatigued.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
She was, you know, nauseous and just like
struggling, and he, um, yeah,she gets up at five, goes to
work, comes back from work andhe's been at home all day
playing video games.
And then they were doing apodcast talking about their
finances and she was talkingabout how she needs, you know,
to feel secure in her.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know her dad and mom, is he also?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
asian.
Yeah, I believe they're bothvery weird.
Yeah, I mean, I I believe theyare.
I don't want to, you know,speculate, but I'm almost
positive they are and that shesaid that her mom and dad both
worked and she grew up verycomfortably comfortably because
they both worked very hard andthey made sure that her and I
believe she has a sibling, youknow had money for college and

(24:34):
that's how she lives her life.
She, like went to school foraccounting, so she's very
numbers based.
She is not only planning to have, you know, money for the month
she was planning for retirementand a, you know, kids college
tuition, whereas her husband'slike, oh, yeah, you know, if we
have rent next month, that'scool, and he's just very like
laxadaisal, which is, if that'sthe way, you are fine, yeah, but

(24:56):
you know that your partnerisn't that way.
But you know that your partnerisn't that way and is asking for
you to care and he juststraight up doesn't.
Then she was talking abouttheir first night back home from
their honeymoon, that he hadbought himself a gaming PC like
a whole system, and she wassleeping in the room and he was

(25:19):
in that room on the PC playingvideo games until three in the
morning, not caring that shecouldn't get any sleep.
So she went and moved to thecouch.
Wow, and he didn't notice untillike 5 am that she had moved
and she had to get up at like 5,6 am to go to work.
So it was just like showing howhe really just doesn't care.
Blatant disregard, yeah.

(25:40):
And in they brought up hissermons there were like clips
that were like found and putlike posted on tiktok where he
equated her to a dog, like helike equated her to like a pet
and like property, and it's likethat's not the way you talk
about your significant other,who not only is she working a

(26:03):
full-time job, she's also acontent creator, which that
takes a decent amount.
That's a full-time job, so she'sgot basically two full-time
jobs.
She also cooks and cleansaround the house.
She spends time with her family, her it seems like her parents
are very supportive of her, andthere's a priority now she's
pregnant and he's sitting athome playing video games and I

(26:25):
hope she has in her sermonsreally disrespecting her.
It's really sad but it's socommon in certain marriages it
is, it's just like and thenpeople are like, did she make
her podcast for as like a cryfor help or like for people to
make comments and be like babe,like that's not the way you
should be treated in yourmarriage?
Yeah, so that he could see them.
But she was also talking aboutlike her insecurities with their

(26:47):
own relationship and regardit's mainly financial and like
the fact that he's not reallymeeting her halfway even or
giving her like the care ofunderstanding why she's upset.
Yeah, and he laughs throughoutthe whole thing, like it's a
very like weird chuckle, like hereally doesn't care.
That's like it's odd Sociopath.

(27:08):
Yeah, I don't like it, and Iwas like I was enjoying her
content.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I will go on TikTok for this now.
Well, there we go, finally gother on.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Goddamn TikTok Need the tea.
Gotta get the TikTok need thetea.
Yeah, it's interesting, but her, like her parents, are really
cute.
She has like cute content.
I mean I love get ready with mevideos on tiktok.
Anyway, you know I'm over herelike, please give me.
I need the inspiration to getup and get ready too, like.
So I'm over here watching her.
But yeah, it was just very,like, kind of sad I felt bad I

(27:39):
kind of felt bad for her.
I feel bad for her like.
So now I'm just like kind ofwaiting to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I feel like that's common that people will start
either podcasts or they'll go ona reality show, and then all of
like the inconsistencies not mestarting my podcast, no but you
know what I mean.
Like they always make a jokethat like don't real housewives,
you know they'll be.
Like be careful whenever youagree to like you know, be on a

(28:06):
show like that, especially whereit's gonna come out, yeah,
where it's highlighting yourmarriage.
And now you have a spotlight onglass.
Yeah, everyone's gonna be like,hey, everyone's got the opinion,
everyone's gonna pick it apartand A lot of women escape these
bad marriages in that processyou know, so maybe this will be
an escape for her.

(28:27):
You know, Maybe it wasn'tintentionally meant to be that
for her, but hopefully maybeshe'll muster the strength to
see what everybody else sees.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Because you cannot hide that, but also like she's
pregnant now and it's likepeople are like on the like.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I went to her comments.
And I'm not like if I don'tlike something, I I've never
left a comment on anything.
Yeah, I mean maybe if I havelike people's comments.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, if I have, it's been like like something funny,
like oh, I love this, or youknow, but I'm not something
positive.
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I don't leave dirty comments.
I can't.
If I don't like something, Ijust keep because if someone
starts arguing with me back,you're not gonna.
I'm not the type of person thatwill stop.
That's why I always joke likegod, I pray.
Like going viral, everyonewants it.
You know what I mean?
I'm like cool if it went viral.
Cool, but I'm the type ofperson like I'm the wrong person
to go viral like I will arguewith all 7 000 people.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Well, what, if you like saw karen in the wild, like
, if you were like, let's sayyou went to, like your local,
like target, oh, and I wentviral for, like, checking a
karen or something, something.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
oh I'm, I'm fine with that, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Like well, no, I'm not even like if you went viral,
like what if you saw a Karen oh?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm not a bystander.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I don't shut my mouth for anybody Like I really don't
.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm not the type of person that will let something
go down in front of me and outright.
I'm just not that type.
I've never been that type.
That's why, when I see thosevideos, I'm like why doesn't
this shit ever happen in frontof me?
Like why doesn't this everhappen in front of me?
Because all you ever see ispeople standing around doing
nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, I also think it's kind of like um, I'm gonna
get it, I'm gonna say mobmentality, but that's not
correct where it's like they'resheep, every like everyone's
watching it, thinking somebodyelse is going to say something,
but then nobody says anything,because you're like, okay, she's
going to say something, andthen she's like no, he's going
to say something.
It becomes that domino effectwhere nothing gets said.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh yeah, no, I'm the type of person where people have
been around me.
They're like oh, this is it, ohshit.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I can't stop her and like that I wish I could have an
example at the top of my head,because I know I've done it
plenty of times in my life.
I'm not the type of person tolet that shit slide.
If I see anything that I willalways serve my own justice.
If I see an injustice happening, right Like point blank.
Right, it's always how I've been.
I think I have like a hypervigilance from like just past

(30:39):
trauma and stuff, that like I'mnot someone who can sweep things
under the rug.
Maybe for myself I can sweepthings down the rug, but not to
other people, right?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
yeah, not to other people.
I feel so bad for this girl.
It makes me I know, yeah, and apastor like that's the god
wants you to treat your wife,that, yeah, people are like well
, and it's just like love, honor, cherish, really.
And I haven't listened to anyof his other sermons.
I mean I really didn't delvedeep, that deep into it.
I just kind of saw it and waslike, oh, I hope people go to
his church and like shit on thesteps, like it was.
It just seemed like if that'shis sermon, that's weird for it
to be his sermon, that and he'slike acquitting his wife to, to

(31:13):
a dog, a pet.
I mean not that, like you know,your pet isn't like your family
, but I mean that's still,that's not calling a woman a pet
or referencing her to it.
Yeah, it was just like property,like like, no, yeah, any man
who treats a woman, a pet orreferencing her to a dog, yeah,
it was just like property, likelike, no, yeah, like any man who
treats a woman as property,just castrate him yeah, it was
just a very odd statement.
Yeah, considering how much shedoes that's just wild.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, I heard about this woman who like five to nine
, nine to five, yes, and thather husband I didn't know he was
a pastor, but that I didn't Ibecause like nobody knew until
they started their own podcast,like he only work on sundays.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I don't know.
I'm not sure, but like what'stheir podcast called?
I don't know.
I should have looked all thisup before I started talking
about it, just so I'm a littlemore informed.
No, but yeah, I was just seeingclips of like.
I went on her page and she wasposting like her own clips.
So it's's like she's posting.
It's not like people are likepulling it from YouTube like
themselves, like she's choosingthese clips, yeah, so then it's

(32:09):
like it kind of makes you thinklike Maybe she has a plan, maybe
she's smarter than we're givingher credit for.
I mean, I think she's smartanyway.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, yeah, you know, I mean we've all been, like
We've all been there.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's stuck in that toxic cycle of just like oh my
God, and everyone's looking atyou like girl.
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, why would you tolerate this?
Yeah, so we've all been there.
We don't judge, we don't judge,we just.
We listen and we don't judgeLies.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
We're, you know hoping she gets you know the
help or he finds the claritywhich considering the name of
this episode men are trash.
Men don't grow.
I don't think he's going tofind the clarity.
I don't think so, especiallysince she's talking about it in
such a public forum and he'sgiggling.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
The giggle is what got me where I was.
Like I think that's just soobnoxious.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
And just downright, it was rude.
It was rude Like the audacitywas thick.
I would smack the shit out ofmy husband, but any future
husband of mine knows that Imean you would think that before
they marry you they'd get aclue.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Do you know how long they've been married?
Not that long.
I want to say that they gotmarried within the past.
I don't know, maybe two yearsAgain.
I should have researched this.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Sorry, guys, but still we get the gist.
It's the tale as old as time,to be honest, you know.
Yeah, same thing, just adifferent way.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, we all have gone through yeah, it's just, we
all go through, we all learnthe same lessons.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Just, you know, I'm like, yeah, I was like working
my ass off and working two jobsand had a boyfriend living in my
apartment.
Just like living his life soleisurely, but like I was in my
early 20s over here yeah I mean,I did the same thing I was.
I had my own apartment since Iwas 18 and I had like was
rotating relationshipsthroughout.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
From 18 to 27 is when I really like stopped dating
dating yeah and yeah, I had manypeople move into my apartment
and I made them lunches for workand like yeah, if they were
working, like I bought, like Iwas so happy to make them a
lunch, they were, they had a jobyeah like I bought the
groceries though you know, likeif we went out to the bar, like

(34:15):
I paid the tab, like, but I'mlike that's something that I did
when I was younger.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I would never now, you know so I'm glad I learned
those lessons when I was younger.
But some people have laterdevelopment and maybe don't have
consistent relationships whenthey're young.
You know what I mean.
Like some people don't datelike that.
I was like boy crazy, so Ilearned a lot of lessons when I
was younger.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
So poor thing, you know, if she's learning this
later in life and I think she'spretty young, like it's not like
, you know, she's like 22.
But I want 22, but I want tosay maybe she's like 27, 28, so
you know, I don't know.
I wish the best for her.
Yeah, hopefully it all worksout.
You know, definitely not likedogging on her, just dogging on
him.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And you know, hopefully, if I, if you're gonna
call me a dog, then I'm gonnafucking bite you in the ass like
one that would be the damn daysomeone will call me a dog.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I've been called a lot of things.
Dog ain't one of them no, no,you don't name.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Call your spouse no, you don't.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
And if you get to the , if you get to that point, it's
not really working out.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, you don't degrade your spouse, and
especially on a platform likethat.
Why would you do that?
Yeah like it just shows howmuch you really don't care and
it's like if that's what'shappening on camera.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
What the hell is happening?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
that's what I'm saying like people get so
exposed and there's a spotlighton them, I'm like look, if
they're so comfortable sayingthis with an audience, imagine
what they say or do without anaudience.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, like what isn't being said on camera, because
there's a lot being said, likeit was.
It was uncomfortable to watchand I go to tiktok for like my
little serotonin boost and I waswatching that and I got like
kind of enthralled and I wasjust like this is not good for
your psyche, girl turn it off.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, honestly, that's why I only stick to
instagram, because I can'thandle instagram bums me out
more sometimes.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean I feel like they're both people are so mean
on instagram.
I love it.
You're over here like I lovethe toxicity?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
yeah, I do.
I don't know, I just love it,but I can't deal with the
emotions that come with bothapps.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I tiktok, when I used tomindlessly like doom scroll, I
would get like depressed.
You know like I would go fromlike watching happy reels and
like crying for people likehappy tears, and then I would be
crying sad tears because ofreally sad things that are out

(36:24):
going on in the world and thenyou just see mindless shit.
Like get readies with me.
You know just like is thiswhat's really important?
You know so like for me like Istruggle too much with my mental
health to take on all of thosepeople's emotions.
Everyone else, we're notsupposed to consume other
people's lives on that big of ascale?
True, like we're not on thatbig of a scale.

(36:46):
True, like we're not.
I'm over here doom scrolling.
We're not built to absorb allof that on that massive scale.
We're not supposed to know thismuch about people you know, and
so I already know I doom scrolltoo much on instagram like I
can't have both evils I can'thave both fair, that's just how
I deal with it, because evenI'll get depressed being on
instagram too long.
You know happy things, sadthings, animal things, baby
things, and then you like seepeople in like fake ish

(37:08):
marriages.
You know who are like inunhappy marriages and you're
just like why do people put thisshit on the internet?
You know like sometimes my mindjust cannot handle it that's
true but I get very easilytriggered and depressed, so I
can't, that's fair, I can't,yeah all right, I'll stop.
I'll stop bugging with tiktokthen well, I'll see the tiktok
to sammy.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I just can't scroll on tiktok for too long I mean
they send you the funny stuff Isend you.
I know I'll read your messages.
I was sending you a lot ofkitty inhaler videos oh my god,
I will look at them.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I will look at them.
They were so cute though it'slike, oh, I just chill on the
instagram explorer page and then, once you click a reel, I just
keep scrolling from that reeland I'm good, I'm just like okay
, and then I gotta get the fuckoff.
I need to go touch grass I'm tooemotional, like I swear like to
.
Our bills are deep and meaningmean people, but we're also,
like deeply emotional people, soI can get very triggered, which

(38:00):
is why, like my hyper vigilancewhen I see shit that's like
that.
It's because too many peopledon't you know what I mean.
So just like something in mesnaps so now I have to react.
I'm very reactive, whether it'sgoing to be sad tears or happy
tears or violence, I'm going toreact.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm going to react.
That's just who I am.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's just who I am.
That's fair.
It's my flaw and my strengthyeah, so beware people, all
right.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So let's pivot away from the doom scrolling yes and
then um.
You're always like recommending, like movies, tv shows,
documentaries.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
You've been pushing, pushing, southern charm oh, I
love southern charm on me.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yes, I haven't started it, it's my new vander
pump.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh, the old vander pump was the best, it was the
best, but what's crazy is likeSouthern Charm has been on
almost just as long see.
I like didn't really know aboutit until 12, right now you were
yeah, so I only startedwatching it because, like how
people got into Vanderpump Rulesbecause of Scandival yes, I got
into Southern Charm because ofthe Paige DeSorbo and Craig

(39:02):
Conover Craig Conover breakup.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I had no idea who these people were I mean, I know
who page is just from like herpodcast, like yeah, my friend is
a huge.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
She went to go see giggly squad and I was like what
the fuck is giggly squad?
You know, because she doesn'teven watch southern charm, okay,
or she doesn't even watchsummer house, yeah I was gonna
say she doesn't watch eithershow, but still loves this
podcast.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
With no context on who these people were beforehand
.
Okay, because the other girl onGiggly Squad was part of Summer
House too.
She was original cast member,so I got into it and I was like,
okay, I want to watch SouthernCharm from the beginning and I
did and I fucking loved it.
They're just this like messyand going through.
You know the trials and errorsof like growing up and trying to
balance work life and partyingand friendship and romance and

(39:47):
relationships.
So I fucking loved it and allthose people.
It's in the south, so it's sodifferent it's charleston, right
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
South carolina, yes, and I want to go there.
I was gonna say you, I was likefixated on moving there.
You said you like sent me,you're like I found my house and
I'm like what, if I had yourhouse, I have money, like that I
would definitely buy a housethere.
I just think it's so cute.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
But I like the south egg because it reminds me of,
you know, the haunted mansion,like, okay, all those style of
houses new orleans yeah, butlike it's there, the main woman
in there, patricia, she has ahouse that looks just like that,
with, like the big pillars andall that the columns.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Isn't it like kind of like plantation?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
yes, but some of them and that's what's crazy is it
goes through the history andlike okay, so they don't like
gloss over.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
No, they don't gloss over anything.
Okay, so they're at leastthey're very self-aware about it
.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Okay, they're very self-aware about we're not doing
where their family lively,pretending she didn't have a
wedding like they're very awareof where their family money came
from and the history of it, andthey call each other out, you
know, okay, and even when, likewe're in the pandemic and like
you know, black lives matterbecame a movement, like they
tore down all those statues incharleston that you know
represented racism and all thesethings so, and they were all

(40:53):
like in in support of that, okay, I mean, and they weren't just
showboating for the show, youknow, they all agreed like this
is old shit, like you know whatI mean, like this is might be
how our family's got the money,but you know we don't stand for
that anymore yeah, so I reallylike the diversity of the group
and how well they respond tothings that are happening in
real life and the honesty youknow,
what I mean, they don't smoothover anything.

(41:14):
So I really liked it and I likehistory, so I like that it goes
back into the history and likeinto those plantations and most
of them, literally theirfamilies, have the ravenel
bridge named.
It's called the ravenel bridgebecause of thomas ravenel and,
like his family way back in theday and I don't know who, that
is well, one of the white lotuscharacters, the guy, it's the

(41:37):
one with oh yeah, we shouldcircle back on that.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, we will.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
What's his name?
And, uh, the actor's name,jason isaac.
Jason isaac based his characteroff of Thomas Ravennault in
Southern Charm.
He openly says he used thatrole as inspiration for his role
.
Okay, so yeah, maybe you'lllike Southern Charm now, because
they kind of based some oftheir characters off it.
The writers of White Lotus.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
We should talk about that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
And their scandal.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
We didn't watch the whole episode, no, we just
watched the clip.
Yeah, so from circle back fromlast episode, real quick.
We were talking about the hearme outs.
Yes, am I a creepo for onlywanting to watch White Lotus
just to see lucius mouthwayswand?

(42:25):
Um, so we, we went and we, wepaused it.
We for science, for science,for science.
We went back and we looked atit and it looked real.
We think it looks real, butalso like it look.
If you're part of like themakeup department, you better
make it look real.
Yeah, my only is so, okay.
Then we googled it.
Supposedly it's a prosthetic,yes, boo, but then I do think it

(42:50):
might be a prosthetic becausesupposedly british european,
they are uncircumcised and thatwas a brit, right?
He, yeah, so, and he that was acircumcised penis.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
That's very true they did a very good job on that
prosthetic.
That was a beautiful penis clapfor the cock.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Clap for the cock so you know, bravo to makeup
department because apparently itwas prosthetic.
Yeah, boo for us, because wewere just trying to get a
fucking look.
I'm just trying to creep.
Yeah, all I we can create, allI'm trying to do a fucking look,
I'm just trying to creep.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, all I'm trying to do is creep.
It's for entertainment value,it's okay.
It's not like we're pullingmen's pants down in public
saying let me see your dick.
No, not today.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Not right now.
I mean, I'm tired, it's fiveo'clock, it's five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Cheers, cheers, there we go yeah, so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
So that was our circle back.
We did our homework, we welooked um yeah, we looked, we
didn't touch we paused it?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
we um?
Yes.
Thomas ravenel's character yes,or he was inspired by thomas
yeah, oh yeah, that's how we gotthere.
Yeah, and thomas ravenel hisfamily goes way back in
charleston and the ravenelbridge which, like the main
bridge in South Charleston, Hugeit's named after him and his
family and I'm like that'sinsane, Even um.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Can you imagine, like , if you're just like walking
down like Wilshire Boulevard andyou're like, oh, but that's how
I felt about the Hammers them?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
like everyone, like I , get so intrigued by those like
staple families, who have theirnames on like buildings, but
now like look what they turninto.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, I know, I know, I mean look you and I got our
own problems.
I know we don't need these.
Yeah, oh, thomas ravenelspirals on the show I love a
good spiral.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yes, you're gonna love it like toxic and I'm
talking like, okay, like drugproblem political like scandal I
love it.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I love mama drama like so it's he.
He's a gremlin.
Yeah, honestly, let's get himon the podcast.
I'll watch your show.
Oh, come on.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
He's so thirsty, he'll be there yeah, and they
all have like those thicksouthern accents.
I'm a sucker for an accent.
Yeah, he owns or he bought aplantation like I don't love
that yeah, you know what I mean.
Like there's all these things,um.
So yeah, I like that the showdives into a lot of history.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Okay, yeah, not you being a history buff, I love
history.
On your Bravo, I know.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I love history because I love digging up the
past.
So, yeah, you need to watch theshow, you'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'm barely getting into the episodes that get into
Craig and Paige more.
Oh yeah, the original reasonwhy you watched it the original
reason why I watched it.
Those episodes are barelyairing, so you're seeing the
downfall of their relationshiphappen.
Now they're already broken upand now you're seeing what led
to the breakup.
And I started Summer House towatch her background, because

(45:39):
they're both featured on eachother's shows, like Crossover,
but you still have to watchindividual show.
It's like so much homework, likeI have to watch her show and I
have to watch his show and thenI have to.
You're like it's so much workit is.
This is a full-time job.
Oh my god, I'm a historian,okay yeah there's actually an
account called, like, the bravohistorian, and I'm so mad that
should have been me oh, youmissed your calling.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I know, maybe you can be like a yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I need to be featured as a guest.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I need to hit them up .
There you go.
Yeah, all right.
Do you have any otherrecommendations?
Because right now my boyfriendand I were binging just Law
Order SVU on Peacock, becausethere's 24 seasons to go through
and we're on season 16.
That sounds like some Grey'sAnatomy shit we did that too.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Don't worry, I can't do.
I try to watch the firstepisode of Grey's Anatomy.
You've never watched Grey's.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Anatomy.
So you don't understand theheartbreak.
No, how dare you?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
you know I told you I don't watch shows that
everybody else watches.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Like I hate the hype about you're over here bitching
at me to watch Southern Charm,but that's because it's relevant
and their plantation history.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
But that's because it's relevant to the drama
that's happening now.
Otherwise I never would havecared.
It has to be like somethingthat like reels me in about it,
like I would watch Grey'sAnatomy if, like, some scandal
came out about like the actor onit.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Now, I mean, there used to be scandal candle, did
we get on this?
Oh, we're talking about shows.
Shows, yeah, shows, um yeah doyou have shows or like movies.
Okay, you, you had strongopinions about anora and um the
last show, last show girl, yes,the last show girl.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I watched it and I thought it did a good job at
portraying women who just cannever seem to know when their
time is up so, so it's justthey're like prolonging the
inevitable.
Prolonging the inevitable andlike Just the way it.
She pissed me off the way thatPam Anderson's character Like
chose that over, like being aparent.

(47:35):
So to speak.
You know what I mean and I don't.
The priorities are screwed.
Yeah, you know the prioritieswere screwed.
And she those characters thatyou're supposed to hate.
Like you hate her in the movie,like I thought it was going to
be like a glamorous movieportraying like good parts of
showgirls, and like you don'teven see the show until the end

(47:55):
of the movie.
Oh, you were like waiting forit, it's all behind the scenes
we're like are we going to seethe show?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
at any time, so areitty gritty, like the very
unglamorous side of it.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, and I liked it because Brenda Song is in it.
Okay, yes, and I love seeingher in all these new little
different roles.
You know she's in that new showI started watching on Netflix.
Also good recommendation thebasketball series.
What's it called?
The jump jump off, jump start,jump, something.
I don't know.
It's a basketball themed title.
Title I can't remember becauseI'm not basketball savvy, but
it's um kate hudson.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh, okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about,
I just don't know the name of itjump off, the tip off something
kate hudson and her really gooddynamic duo.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I love that show and it's about a woman being in
charge, a woman ceo so I love tosee that happen, like she got
put in charge as opposed to herbrothers, and they're trying to
like take that position from herright yeah, so it's a good show
, um, but yeah, and last show,girl, I feel like just every sex
worker type movie is just likeit hits the mark because it's
always a male director, you knowwhat I mean and I just feel

(48:51):
like it's always portrayedthrough the male gaze, the male
opinion, no matter how many sexworkers that you interview or
involve in your sets or have onfilm or use as consultants, like
it's just never good enough forme, like I'm never gonna like
it until it's through the eyesof a woman, like completely
through the eyes of a woman youknow With who has a history you

(49:12):
know what I mean which is justso hard to do.
You know, Because it's not likewe're all becoming filmmakers.
You know, true, it's not likewe're doing that, so it would be
on us to do it, you know, forourselves.
But yeah, I didn't really carefor the last showgirl because it
just made you hate her, okay.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
And I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You don't want to hate her, I wanted to like the
showgirl, you know I wanted tolike see something good about it
and it really just portrays thenegative, you know, yeah.
So I was like, okay, it was agood watch.
I liked like the imagery.
The imagery is beautiful, allthe glam, the feathers, you know
like the dressing room, likethat stuff's very real.
But I'm like, why do theyalways have to portray it so

(49:51):
negatively, like it's all notnegative, you know.
So there's some good to it.
Come on, okay.
And then Anora, I like themovie.
I just wish it endeddifferently.
Okay, end it differently.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Okay, it should have ended, I still haven't seen it.
Okay, well then I won't.
I mean, you can ruin it for meyeah well, I'm that person who,
if I haven't seen it, I'm gonnagoogle it, because I want to
know if it's very much, in myopinion, a baby stripper take on
sex work because no vet wouldhave fallen for that shit.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Okay, no vet would have fallen for that shit
because you say or would havesecured more before it all blew
up?
Do?
You know what I mean like sheliterally like fell in it for
love and I'm like so she prettywomaned it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yes, you never kiss on the mouth.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean like she pretty womaned it
and like they got married orwhatever.
But he's like I don't.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I want to know how old she's supposed to be in the
movie, like they never theynever really say how old she's
supposed to be but so we give so, like if you were to say you,
she knows what she's like.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
21 yeah, like she dances well in the club, like
she learned, like I think sheportrays us very well in the
club.
It was very well taught to her.
I can tell and I follow thedancer who taught her how to
dance for that movie, like Ifall.
I follow the girls who wereused as consultants on that
movie.
But, yeah, I don't like how itended because she basically

(51:09):
thought she was getting herCinderella story and it's never
a cinderella story exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Life ain't cinderella , yeah like she thought she was
like, you know, getting out theclub.
You know this is gonna be theend her shot.
She was rich.
She met this rich guy and it'snever what it seems.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, so, but that is the wholepoint of the movie.
It's never what it seems, youknow.
But she broke character for me.
You know what I mean.
Like she stopped playing thatrole for him.

(51:35):
You know, even in the marriageI would have still had that work
mentality, like, okay, shecompletely like threw it all out
the window and like stoppedplaying the game for herself and
was just like I'm gonna be anormal person now.
I would have liked it if shewas like using the marriage as
like part of the plot.
Still, do you know what I mean?
Okay, like, like I would youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
So why don't you just like write your own movie?
I probably should well like, soI have my own.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I use my journals a lot like I have written in every
journal pretty much every timeafter I've gotten home from work
or seeing a client written downmy thoughts.
Oh yeah, we should say that youare an ex.
I'm a retired stripper, sexworker yes I have a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't think we discussed that.
We're just over here.
We're over here yapping.
We're expecting you to catch upand jump right into the story.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's why I have such strong opinions?
Because I've lived it you know,and been through the ups and
downs, the good and the bad,yeah, so I have thought about
making like a screenplay with myown script script because of I
could literally just use myjournals you know what I mean as
the jump off point.
But then I'm like do I want toexpose myself?
Like I mean, you don't have tosay it's you?
I know I already thought aboutjust dr susan pen pal or not.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Pen pal, that's.
That's not right.
Me and my friend, I can't get agoddamn phrase correct lately.
I the last episode I callednostradamus god, you only get a
clue.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
One thing about anora was a baby stripper vibe.
So that's fine.
But do we need a vet vibe, youknow?
But then they did do that withhustlers and that was corny as
fuck.
I did not like.
I did not like hustlers into myopinion.
I'm sorry, jlo was too old toplay that stripper you know what
?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I just really don't like jlo.
I don't like like her either.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I'm so sorry.
Back to Nora.
She basically had to annul themarriage.
His family wasn't happy aboutit, obviously Spoilers.
She didn't ask any questions.
She didn't ask any questions,she just went in blindly, which
no sex worker would do, in myopinion.
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
There was no question .
I feel like when does yourmoney come from?
No normal person would do that.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, she was just like in fucking La La Land,
which I feel like made us looklike stupid, Like made us look
like dummies and I'm just likewe sex workers are some of the
smartest fucking people I'veever known.
I mean, you have to be.
Savvy business women, you gottayou know, you gotta know yeah
and I was just like that's thecorrect, saying right, yes, jeez
man, quick on your feet, thinkon your toes.
Yeah, I'm questioningeverything I'm saying today you

(53:59):
got this.
Today's been a day it shouldhave ended with her back at the
club because she like went tothe club and was, like I'm out
of here, like I'm going back tomy mansion like gloating.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Jealousy's a disease she walks right back in no,
that's what should have been theending.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
You know, what I mean was that walk of shame back in
and everyone being like, ha, youthought, cause, that's how we
all are.
When someone thinks they'releaving the industry bitch,
you'll be right back here likesadly, sadly.
I've been through it, I've seenit happen to other girls like
be fucking realistic yeah thefact that the consulting girls
were just like nah.
She should have been back atthe club like I would have been

(54:38):
like this has to end, she has toend back at the club with
everyone, just but it ends likehappily ever after she's
cinderella it ends.
It ends bad, it ends her.
It ends with a sex scene withher basically giving herself to
someone because her like lowself-worth, so to speak oh yeah,
that's not the way.
I thought she pity, she pityfuck someone at the end of the

(54:59):
movie who, like she thinkshelped her, so she like owed it
to him.
Oh gross, and I was like yeah,and I was like that's all.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
And she like, starts crying thanks for ruining it for
me, because now I don't want tosee it, I know, but you still
gotta watch it you still have towatch it do I though yes, you,
because I want to know what youthink, because I really think
it's more of a baby strippervibe.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
A vet would never A vet would be like.
I want this up front, and whereis your money coming from?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
When it goes on streaming services, it is.
It's on Disney Plus.
Damn it.
I was hoping it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
It's on Disney Plus, you're watching.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I'm going to force you to watch Wicked.
How about that Fine Deal?
Cool, look, we're back to whereWicked vibes right are.
Oh, we are.
Yeah, it's funny.
I grabbed this sweater becauseI thought it had Slytherin vibes
and we were going to do ourcircle back about Lucius's.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
What's his name?
I keep forgetting his nameJason Isaac.
Jason Isaac yeah, we were goingto talk about his wand.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
But I saw it was this tweet where not that I have
Twitter, I saw it on TikTok, butthat's like my new source, but
it was.
Somebody was saying oh, um,name a movie where the lead
actor ruined it for you and JKRowling retweeted it and said
three guesses, lol, talkingabout daniel radcliffe, rupert
grint and emma watson, harry ronand hermione, because they

(56:23):
disagreed with her on her beingtransphobic.
I'm like, excuse you lady, yeah, you're a billionaire.
Yeah, because of, not becauseof them fine, you wrote it,
whatever but like they broughtyour magic to know what?
when you think of harry potter,you don't think of jk rowling.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You think of.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
You think of yeah, you think of.
They spent their entire theirchildhood, their entire
childhood, part of theiradulthood and no matter what
they do, they're all characters.
Whenever you see danielradcliffe in like a movie or tv
show, you're like that's harrypotter.
Yeah, I don't think you're notlike a stan.
Yeah, when I watched beauty andthe beast, the live action one,

(57:01):
I wasn't like, hey, bell,hermione, hermione, but yeah,
it's like they gave like youknow they're, they gave their
lives for you.
Yeah, just gonna like, not thatthey didn't benefit from it, but
it's also like your viewsrespect your views.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Shit, your views are trash.
Yeah, totally trash, I agree.
I'm glad I didn't read thebooks.
I just watched the movie.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh, I have all the books on my shelf.
Did you see all?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
that I was like oh dear God, we got a Harry Potter
one.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I love Harry Potter.
I mean, I haven't read them inso long.
I definitely read.
I don't know if I did a goodBritish accent right there,
probably not.
That was good.
Yeah, no, but this would be mySlytherin because I did the
whole Pottermore quiz thing.

(57:45):
Did you ever do that?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I'm a Slytherin, that's how I found out I was.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I mean, I was always like I'm a Gryffindor, because I
would have thought you were aGryffindor because you're a.
Leo right, but yeah, no, I tookthe quiz and all that.
It tells you this was like wayback in, like.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I don't know 2011,.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Back when I graduated high school in ye yonder years,
ye olde days, long time ago, wetook the Pottermore quiz and
yeah, it tells you like yourhouse.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I want the Sort hat lego you and your legos man.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
You love a damn lego, I love a lego.
That's what I sent you ontiktok.
I sent you some lego stuff too.
Okay, god me over here.
You're over here pushingsouthern trauma.
I'm just trying to.
I'm just asking you toserotonin boost me and talk
about goddamn fucking t.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
I will get on TikTok every day, fine.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
We're both going to have no time during the day now
You're going to be overtaken.
I'm going to be binging thisdamn show.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
As you should.
I watched fucking 10 seasons inlike a week.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
You did.
You watched that fast becauseyou were like, hey, like I'm
almost caught up, and I was likewhat just?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
happened Like you just talked about it it's not
good though.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
It's like vanderpump.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
You have to keep going, you're the one who got me
like hooked on vanderpump,though, so trust me when I say
this vanderpump was wild.
It was wild.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
All right.
So we're going to talk.
We're talking about movies, tvshows.
Okay, do you have like a topfive like favorite movie
scarface?
No, top five, not top one.
That's your top one.
Oh god, you're that person.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
No, number one is scarface, okay.
Number two nightmare forchristmas uh, old school okay.
I fucking love it.
I can never get tired of thatmovie all right I can quote that
movie all day, old school, ohman, last two spots, last two
spots.
They're coveted.

(59:37):
I know I'm gonna do one moreanimated one.
Okay, go, I love coco oh coco,oh yeah I love.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I thought you said yoko.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I was like I don't know what that is coco yes, that
one speaks to me and I like itbecause it goes to my mexican
heritage and I love it.
It makes me feel like I have afamily, oh god, I know.
And then another like some moreserious movie, probably casino
that's on my top five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, I fucking love that movie.
I was like I knew it was gonnabe like another, like mobster,
like okay based type movie, forthat's for sure in my top five.
Yeah, for sure, casino is in mytop five, yeah what's your top?
Five um number one, I don'tknow.
Okay, I can't see, I can't giveyou my top number one, I can
give you five, and even then I'mlike random order, no
particular, yeah, even then I'mlike, I like I'm probably

(01:00:22):
missing one.
I love casino, so that would beone.
We're kind of going with thesouthern charm thing I love gone
with the wind.
I've never seen it.
It's long, you gotta reallycommit to it, but it's like that
old hollywood, like time youlike the sound of music.
No, okay, is that?
Is that old hollywood like Ithink you know, vivian lee who,

(01:00:44):
vivian lay who plays scarlet,she is just like so beautiful
and I just love her so much andit's just like the whole story.
It's like real, real fucked up,but I love that movie again.
It's a time it's a timecommitment.
Um, titanic, that's a good one.
My other time commitment movie,that.
But if I'm like flippingthrough the channels and it's on

(01:01:04):
, oh, I always oh, I'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I always leave it there and you know, I the
original hot girl.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I saw this, this like meme where they were like all
titanic is, is just this girl,you know, talking telling a
story about how she got likereally good dick on a cruise.
I'm like well, good for her.
Um, a star is born.
You don't like that movie Ilove that movie.
It makes me cry tears and, um,my last one so hard, huh, okay.

(01:01:37):
So I'm toying between two and Ifeel like I'm not even going to
be happy with either of thoseanswers, which is mean girls
okay, that's iconic or wolf ofwall street love just because
look, I love leonardo dicaprio.
I don't I stopped liking him hewas.
He stopped being my number onecrush when I aged out of his
fucking bracket, because howdare you say not that he ever

(01:01:59):
said it to me?
I'm acting like he's had aconversation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
How dare you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
say this to me.
How dare you tell me?
Yeah, you know, as soon as Ibecame too old for him.
I just thought that wasridiculous.
Especially you know, I have anaffinity.
You know I love my older men,that's.
You know.
If you're not older than me,I'm really not interested no,
the older the better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, if you're not 40 plus, I don't want you.
No, to be quite honest I don'twant to date someone my own age.
I can barely deal with myself.
I'm good I hate myself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You think I want to deal with the male version of me
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
God wait, I want to change my last one okay, since I
already have a gangsta one justcame to me.
I love the movie Midnight inParis.
I don't know if you've everseen it, but it's amazing.
No, but I watched it.
Is that with um, owen Wilsonand Rachel McAdams?
Never mind.
Yeah, owen Wilson and RachelMcAdams, but the only thing I
hate about it is it's a WoodyAllen movie I hate that.
I love that movie you know Iwon't support and go to the box

(01:02:50):
office and watch any of hisother movies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You know but if it's on the streaming service, it's
free.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I'll watch it.
Um, yeah, I loved midnight inparis.
This would maybe not made mefall in love with paris.
I fell in love with paris thefirst time I went there but then
the second time I went back.
I watched that movie before Iwent there and I was just like I
love it, I love it, I love itand midnight in paris has
history involved in it.
Like he travels back in timeinto older parts of paris and
like meets ernest hemingway andsalvador dolly and like okay, um

(01:03:17):
, a bunch of other famouswriters and stuff like that see,
I also love the notebook wecould go on forever.
I love that.
I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
You're a bird, I'm a bird you know, I really think
that's why I have a weirdexpectation, or not anymore.
I'm sobered up.
I used to have this weirdexpectation of love because I'm
like.
He wrote her every day for ayear.
I wrote you 365 letters and I'mover here every day for a year
and I'm over here.
Yeah, I'm like you couldn'teven text me back.
Yo like what happened?
He built her a goddamn house.

(01:03:46):
Where's my goddamn house where?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
is my goddamn house.
Men used to go to war.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Men used to build things they used to go to war
and write yeah, you're tellingme you go to work and you can't
text me back.
I'm sorry, I'm generalizinghere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yes, either way.
No, come on, men, don't do gothe distance anymore that's the
name of the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Men are trash.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yes they are well.
I've yet to meet a man that haslike the full package and is
everything he should be I mean,I think that's unrealistic,
because are we the full?
Package?
No, but I think there's acertain thing that a man should
be.
I mean, I think that'sunrealistic, because are we the
full package?
No, but I think there's acertain thing that a man should
be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
You're supposed to be delusional and say yes, I am
the full package.
See, I just want someone to goto war and write me yeah, and
then die and leave me theproperty that's dark marriage
just didn't last long back thenbecause husbands died.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Oh no, die, die, die my darling, die my darling.
Well, that is our episode.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It is men are trash and they used to die young
cholera.
Come back, take these men out,we're at polio.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We already went through a plague.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
We don't need a new one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Well, we would like a plague that specifically only
affects men but the stupid men,not all men.
You hate men I didn't say that.
I didn't say that you hate.
I won't say anything.
You hate everyone.
Yeah, I hate everyone equally.
Okay, I will love everyoneequally if you give the right
opportunity to I love hard, andI hate hard per yay, I finished

(01:05:18):
my you have a time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I have this the iddiest.
I think it was all soda waterat that point.
That's fine, that's good.
I don't think I need anymore.
No, we're good cut off.
I'm cut off for my one, allright, so where can we find you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
at slut.
Who won't fuckyou on Instagramand TikTok All?
One word, even though she's noton TikTok that often, but you
can find me there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Make me go on TikTok, give me reasons to Please Give
her a reason to I'm trying tosend her so many things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yes, get slide in my DMs.
Yes, what are they called onInstagram?
Call him a dm because a tiktokdm, I don't know, I'm a
millennial and apparently I'mchuggy.
What does?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
that mean you're lame , you're who says that word, the
gen z's fuck gen z.
I don't know.
Fuck you, gen.
I feel sad.
Let's end on a sad note also.
Do you have any socials foryour?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
new podcast.
Yes, the new podcast is at manour trash podcast.
Yes, man our trash podcast,full word.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yes, all right come see me there.
Yeah, we know where to find youall our shit.
And then you can find me at uh,emily to gremlin pod on tiktok
and instagram.
And then make sure to write meemily to gremlin pod at gmailcom
.
Send in your gremlin stories.
I need tell us.
I need to feel better aboutmyself by hearing you know your

(01:06:42):
crazy ass downfalls no, sir,join us, make us feel better
make us feel better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I can't wait to listen to her previous or her
next episodes and hear yourguys's stories.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
So yes, let it rip and you know what she'll come
back on, and we'll talk moregremlin stories as well, because
we have infinite.
We got more.
Actually, there's one I want totalk to you about at one point
um, not my birthday, yeah, yourbirthday, I knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I was gonna bring that.
We'll save that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
That's a whole we'll save it her birthday was wild.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah.
29th birthday yeah she.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
She left her third, her 20s, with a bang.
That was a good one.
All right, that's a good one.
That's the episode.
We was a good one.
That's the episode we're outCheers, cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Thank you for having me again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Of course.
Thank you for coming backAnytime Toodles.
Good night.