February 24, 2025 • 54 mins
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What happens when a traumatic event leads you back to a forgotten passion? After a life-altering car accident, Crystal Hurley, therapeutic art and self healing coach, found solace in painting, which proved to be more than just a hobby—it became a powerful form of therapy. Join me as I share her personal story of overcoming post-concussive syndrome through art, and how this rediscovery inspired her to establish a nonprofit aimed at helping others find healing through creativity. Each brushstroke brought new layers of emotional release, clarity, and a renewed sense of purpose, transforming challenges into opportunities for growth.
Art has a remarkable ability to express the unspeakable, and we explore how various techniques provide not just catharsis but also profound emotional healing. Listen as we delve into therapeutic painting sessions fueled by raw emotions and the liberating process of scream painting, where perfection takes a backseat to authentic expression. Discover the magic of neurographic art, a unique technique that helps ease mental blockages and promote emotional balance, offering a fresh perspective on problem-solving and self-discovery. These creative practices are not just hobbies—they're lifelines during life's most turbulent times.
Meet Crystal, a shining example of resilience through art, whose passion for scream painting has been a beacon of strength for her and her son. Through her inspiring journey, we uncover the transformative power of artistic expression and self-care techniques like morning affirmations and breathing exercises that draw out subconscious thoughts. Crystal's story ignites hope for others to explore their own creative potential, and her nonprofit endeavors promise to extend this healing influence far and wide. Join us as we celebrate the empowering capacity of creativity to uplift, heal, and transform lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, tell me a little bit about how you
developed this rage painting orkind of how your nonprofit came
about.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
First and foremost, I got back into painting, into my
art, um going it'll be fouryears this summer, but, um, it
started because of a caraccident that will be four years
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in april.
That happened and I sufferedlike a, a very big concussion
that I didn't even hit my headthat hard, I didn't know I hit
head, I did not pass out oranything like that, and the
wreck was not that bad, um, butapparently I slammed my head
against the window and, um, acouple of days later I started
(00:58):
having the symptoms of having aconcussion, like really bad, and
it lasted weeks and it justkind of continuously got worse
so, which became post-concussivesyndrome, and with that I had
major migraines, lightsensitivity, noise sensitivity,
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tendonitis, which is ringing, orany foreign noise inside the
ear.
A lot of people associate itwith just ringing, but
apparently it's any noise that'sinside the ear and you can't
hear outside.
Um, and sometimes it's horror,so bad that it you just feel
(01:43):
sick and you have to lay down.
But with that it also messedwith my speech and at first I
didn't notice that I hadanything wrong with my speech.
I didn't know there was adelayed reaction in thought
versus what was coming out andprocessing thought versus what
was coming out and processing.
(02:04):
But after a few weeks and amonth I started noticing it and
it was became so frustratingthat being frustrated about it,
being upset that I wasn't ableto communicate, stressed me out
even more.
So being stressed out caused itto be worse, which also caused
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the post-concussive syndromesymptoms to be worse, and all
that lovely stuff.
So, going through speech therapyand physical therapy, both my
therapists suggested I get backinto art because they started
noticing that I have a verycreative mind, because I would
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notice little objects andpictures on the ceilings that
has a little black dots all over.
That you find in doctor'soffices and hospital ceiling
tiles, yeah, yeah, and I wouldjust find random objects and
going into like the CT roomwhere you get CT CAT scans from,
(03:09):
I would actually they havepictures and pretty art up on
the ceiling.
I started finding.
I started finding animals inthe trees that nobody else saw.
Well, they didn't notice themand I started pointing them out
to them.
So now they actually point theanimals out to other patients so
(03:32):
the patients can be a littlebit calmer going through the CT
machine and so they're like youhave such a creative mind.
Do you need to like have youever painted or done any art?
It's like, yeah, I did when Iwas younger.
Um, what about writing?
It's like oh, yeah, I lovewriting, but with, um, the light
(03:54):
sensitivity and everything, Ialso had a problem with my eyes.
I say that I broke my eyesbecause my eyes don't focus like
they're supposed to anymore,where if I'm looking off in the
distance and then I go to lookat something close up, at first
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my eyes would not refocus at all, and in order to get them to
refocus, I would have to closemy eyes completely for a couple
seconds and then face whateverit was that I was going to be
looking at and then open my eyes.
Um, but with that looking atwords or numbers or anything
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that's small writing, even theclock, the digital clock on the,
the stove in the microwave,would double over and get blurry
, so that everything would mushtogether and it's frustrating,
oh yes, and so if I looked at itfor more than like a minute, I
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would get extreme migrainesbecause my eyes were trying to
focus and trying to lineeverything up, but it wasn't.
It wasn't working, so itoverstimulated my brain and my
optic nerves so I couldn't write.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And when.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I did write it.
It was very interesting towatch later how my words went
around the page.
Oh yeah.
And so I tried drawing as well.
But I had the same issue,because in the middle, or if
there's like five lines, youfind the one.
(05:50):
You eventually find the onethat's the right line and you
just follow it.
But that takes a lot of timeand a lot of frustration.
So I started painting and atfirst I just painted like fluid
paint and just did littleflowers and stuff like that.
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I did watch tutorials to getmyself back into painting
because I've been out ofpractice for over 20 years, so I
watched a lot of stories.
After a few months I had afriend um go, hey, you know
you're not stumbling over yourwords as much as you were before
(06:33):
.
I'm like what?
Like, yeah, your, your speechis becoming so much clearer.
I was like, really, and they goyeah, are you painting and they
go, are you painting every day?
I was like, really, and they goyeah, are you painting?
And they go, are you paintingevery day?
I was like, yeah, I am, becauseI started giving my stuff away
because I had so much.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And, as you, started painting more, your speech got
better.
What was the timeframe on thisthat you saw improvement?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, I it was probably a couple months like
two months at the least was wheneverybody started noticing a
difference.
But if you look, if I look backat it, it was very gradual,
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very slow process to where Iwasn't as stressed, very slow
process to where I wasn't asstressed.
I felt a little more relaxed,even like at the time I didn't
realize it.
But looking back I can see thatthere was a time where I
started getting less frustrated.
I started not worrying aboutstuff that wasn't constantly on
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my mind.
It wasn't constantly on my mind, and being in doing art and
painting helped with that.
And after a couple months ofthe speech problems, um, people
started noticing a differenceand within six months it was
completely clear.
(08:03):
But if notice, today there'sstill times that I have to pause
because I'll start stumblingover my words or the specific
word won't come to me right away.
So I have to pause, but I'mactually able to get out the
things that I'm trying to say,whereas before, like four years
(08:24):
years ago, I wasn't able to.
So yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So tell me how far out from your accident were you
when you started painting?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I started painting.
My accident was in April 2021.
I started painting um rightbefore uh, I'm trying to
timeline it with school um, itwas probably towards the
(08:54):
beginning, middle of summer, soprobably about the end of June.
Early July is when I actuallystarted painting um and but like
trying to do the writing andthe journaling and the drawing
was probably accident was inApril, june.
(09:18):
I started all that in May ortry to okay, um, and then my
painting itself.
I started very slowly around theend of June to early July and
then by November, in thatDecember, a lot of people
(09:39):
started noticing the bigdifference.
Wow.
So it was when somebody pointedit out.
I was like, oh my gosh, that'samazing.
So I continued it and then in2022, like mid-2022, everybody
started suggesting that I startselling my artwork.
(10:00):
I'm like I am not that good, butmy speech improved so much more
over the next six months, um,from december to like june of
2022, and, um, my balance eveneven got, even improved.
And when I'm having like reallybad migraines, I will go and
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I'll go paint and it helps easethe migraines off and it'll help
ease the tinnitus and stuff offas well, because when you're
not doing anything, those thingsbecome more noticeable to you
when it's bothering you.
So when you do something thatyou enjoy, like painting and
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just getting your mind to focuson something else or not focus
at all, your symptoms improve.
It might be just for that 10minutes, but for that 10 minutes
you're not having to sufferfrom all that that pain or
anxiety, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I love that.
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And um.
So through all that, I didstart selling my art and in 20,
was it 2023?
I decided I was going to join auh, a creative it was creative
(11:32):
mastermind, um, and that helpedcreative women grow their
creative businesses, and so Istarted that in 2023.
And then that was January 2023and to help me grow what I was
assuming was going to be mypainting business.
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So.
But as I started, I was like,how, how is my art itself going
to help other people?
Because I wanted to help, Istarted wanting to help other
people with their problems, likeI had similar to mine in a way
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that art helped me.
But at the time I was like howsomebody just buying a piece of
painting going to help insituations like that?
Yes, paintings, um, do makepeople, people, people, people
happy just looking at the artand it resonating with them.
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But in the back of my mind I'mlike, no, there's got to be
something more to my art that Ican help people with.
And then all of a sudden, likeduh, it's been very therapeutic
for me.
So therapeutic, therapeutic,therapeutic art Is that such a
thing?
I Googled it and it is.
(13:00):
There's actually like arttherapists.
I didn't know that, and so Istarted digging deeper into the
therapeutic art side ofeverything.
Deeper into the therapeutic artside of everything, and with my
speech therapist and myphysical therapist, they taught
me breathing exercises likebreath work, and some meditation
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exercises too, that you don'thave to sit still for.
So I wanted to try toincorporate that into into doing
my art, which I did withouteven realizing it at first.
But I wanted to find a way toactively sub and consciously do
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that together with art andbreath work.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
and mindfulness like being more intentional with the
way you use it and when you'reusing it to, to intentionally
help you release that stress andto help you get those emotions
out.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Because what I started noticing at the same
time that my speech was gettingbetter, I started noticing
before I started painting again.
I started noticing that old um,old things from my past abusive
relationships and stuff likethat started coming up.
All the flashbacks startedcoming back up with things I
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thought I dealt with, thought Igot over.
Well, in honesty, I just buriedit down deep and was like I'm
not going to let it bother meanymore.
But your body says knock, knock, knock.
I think a lot of us do thatright.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Hello, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yep, I started digging deeper into therapeutic
art and the mindfulness side ofeverything.
I started peeling back thoselayers of myself and my past and
purging it out.
Instead of just burying it deep, I started letting it out,
working, working through theemotions connecting with the
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past trauma.
So, in when you connect with itand you acknowledge it, yep, hi
, that happened.
Hi, abusive incident yeah, you,you, even though that happened
to me, you made me be able tostand up, you made me stronger
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for that.
So that's you connecting tothat incident that you felt bad
about and that you tried to hide.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then like revisiting and reframing your
trauma.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, Instead of letting it, instead of it taking
you over, okay, you basicallystand face to face with it and
make, get to the point to whereit's not bigger than you and you
just shrink it down andeventually it's your same size.
So then you can face off withit, so to speak, and work
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through it.
And when you work through it,after connecting to it and
acknowledging that it happenedor that you feel that way, you
can work through it and helpyourself, live past it and
acknowledge that's part of you.
It's not who you are's not, itdoesn't make you and it's not
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you, but it did happen and it'smade you stronger for it.
And once you realize that youcan be stronger and that you can
step over that and step past itactually not step over it,
because if you step over it,you're just letting it linger-
so you're having to open thatdoor and take that step and take
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that leap to go through yourtrauma, to go through those
negative thoughts and thenegative emotions.
And when you do that, thatweight, that weight that you
carried for so long, startsfalling off.
And I do that with a lot ofthings.
I did that with my past.
(17:24):
There's still times that somethings still come up, but it
doesn't bother me as much as itdid before, and that gets easier
as you do it.
Yes, yes, because I'm not goingto sit here and tell you that
those things will never, everbother you again, because that's
not.
I can't promise that, you know.
(17:44):
Yeah, but when you work throughit and you acknowledge it, it
helps you to where, if it evercomes back up again or something
similar happens again, you havea better way of dealing with it
, working through it and notletting it beat you down what a
resilient way to approach, likea way to practice resiliency.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Take your negative feelings and make them a
positive experience.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, and towards the , towards September of 2023, I
got my cert.
I got my certification intherapeutic art in August 2023.
And my certification, mycertificate yeah, my
certification certificate forself-healing, the breath work
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and the meditation process ofthe therapeutic side of it, and
I've started putting it together.
So, towards the end ofSeptember, of course, I was
questioning myself like how, howdo I know and how can I show
people?
This is probably how do I knowand how can I show people?
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This is probably why whathappened next happened.
But I was like how can, how amI going to be able to show
people that it actually worksfor now?
Because I don't have anythingnow.
That's really going on.
Well, you've got to be carefulwith what you wish, what you ask
for, because the very nextmonth, october 2023, my abusive
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giving him custody of my son andrestricting my visitation and
taking my visitation away untilfurther notice.
And how he did this was he.
You know, he basically lied andfalsified information and I was
not aware if there was a courtdate or anything like that.
So I wasn't there.
I wasn't at the court date inAugust 2023 to um plead my case,
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plead why I wasn't in Alabamaand why I came back to North
Carolina and so in October hecame up here and presented the
judge up here with those papersand on October 27th I had to
watch my son leave um, and I'vebeen fighting it ever since.
So I'm so sorry.
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Painting with, actually thankyou.
Spring painting was actuallyborn from that.
Because I did paint and um, Idid try to help myself through
this time and at first I thoughtI was and you know, lying to
yourself, not being in denialthat you're not OK.
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So one day I got into anargument with my boyfriend and I
could have sworn.
I was pissed off, mad at himand I was like, forget this, I'm
going outside.
And I was like you know what,instead of just going outside,
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I'm gonna grab my paint, I'mgonna grab my easel and I'm
gonna grab my canvas.
And at this time it was a.
The canvas I had was a two footby three foot canvas and I I
came into my art room and I satin front of my paints.
It's like I can't just grabpaints.
What color it?
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Um resonates with what I'mfeeling right now and at the
time it was such a huge clusterof emotions and feelings and
frustration and at the time Ididn't know that.
It was like a whole bunch ofeverything at the same time,
being upset about what happened,with my son being frustrated
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that he wasn't there forChristmas or New Year's, feeling
like nobody understood what Iwas going through.
Nobody understood, nobody was.
I felt like nobody was takingme seriously.
I felt like nobody was takingthe situation seriously.
So it was a whole bunch ofeverything piled together and
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then me and boyfriend got intoan argument and it just started
to overwhelm and explode.
But before it exploded, I camein, I got sat down with my
paints and whatever color cameto me with what I was feeling is
what I grabbed.
I grabbed the paint and I mixedthem with um.
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I mixed them so they would runmore easily on the canvas and I
packed my backpack and my canvasbag and everything.
And at first I was like, oh, Igrabbed brushes and things
because I was like I had no ideawhat I was going to do.
I just knew I was going to gopaint.
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I knew I needed to scream andso when I got out there I set
everything up and at this pointI took a stick and dipped it
into one of my paint bottles,and I was just writing on the
canvas with the stick, and thenI was, and then I threw paint on
there.
And the more I threw paint, atfirst I was just like easy
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dripping the paint on there,like.
And then I was like I startedthrowing the paint on there.
I took the paint and rubbed itall over my hands and started
punching the canvas, even withmy non-dominant hand.
And then I saw a pine cone andI picked that pine cone up, I
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drenched it with paint and atfirst I was like toss it just
barely, because I was like, oh,I don't want to break the canvas
.
I think I can do a little bitbetter than that.
Let's see how much this canvascan take, because I've already
punched it, I've already smackedit with a stick and the canvas
still held up.
So I was like all right if itbreaks, you know what?
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Whatever, if this canvas justfalls apart, I don't care, I've
got to let this out.
And so I started throwing,throwing the pine cone.
And at the same time I wasthrowing the pine cone, I was
just screaming and I and at onepoint I even was like I can't
believe this is happening, likewhy, you know, yelling at my ex,
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yelling at boyfriend, yellingat myself, um, yelling at god,
even and um, and stomping on theground on the devil's head, you
know.
And then I realized that Iactually wasn't mad at my
boyfriend.
But so I started throwing that,that pine cone, and I hit the
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canvas every single time and Ijust threw it harder and harder,
and harder.
And this one time I threw thepine cone so hard it went over
the canvas and just barelytouched the top.
It just scraped off and bouncedand went flying through the
woods and I just startedlaughing and I was like, oh, my
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god, I can't believe thathappened.
And all of a sudden I realizedthat all that frustration and
what everything negative I wasfeeling, all the anger, all the
um just wanting to hit someonewas gone.
And that's when I decided I waslike you know what I like,
where I am right now, I'm notgoing to do anymore.
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And I stepped back.
I was like Holy cow, that isamazing.
I can't believe I did that, um.
And then it was all the trees,the way they were.
At that point At first I waslike, oh, I'm going to put grass
there, I'm going to put thishere and this there and, um,
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after a meeting I had because Istopped painting outside because
I had a meeting I had to go toum on zoom, so I stopped for an
hour and then I was like, oh, Iknow, I'm not done for today,
and so I started doing thedetails on the trees and
everything.
And at five o'clock thatevening I stopped and I was like
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, well, I know it's not done andI took a step back.
I was like, oh my, I took apicture of it.
I was like, oh my god, I can'tbelieve I did that.
Oh my, and it just sat with meand it was like overwhelmingly
beautiful and surprising thatthat came from me.
And, um, then later that nightI'm like, no, she's done,
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there's nothing else I need todo with this.
I don't, it doesn't need grass,it's perfect the way it is.
And, oh my god, like everybodyloved it and I wanted to keep it
.
But, um, my boyfriend said thatI need and he's right, I needed
to put that, that emotion, outto other people so they can
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experience it as well.
And at first I didn't know thatanybody was going to feel what I
felt at the time I was doing it.
But I went to an event and Iset it up, not expecting to sell
it, and everybody that was thatwas the main attraction
Everybody just graduated like,gravitated towards it and like,
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oh my God, wow, you, all theemotions in that.
I was like, really yeah, youwere like mad angry laughing.
I was like, yeah, actually wasall that and so cool that people
could see that I thought it wasreally cool and somebody
actually bought it and theybought it for.
They bought it for 250 bucks.
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Awesome, that's amazing.
Um, I hate that it's gone butat the same time, I'm glad that
somebody got it that loves it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I am making.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I am making prints of it and I have it on the
background of my computer.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It's all good, you saved a copy of what it looks
like.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I love that, oh yeah, oh yeah, I did it's.
I have it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's on my Facebook page is oh, so people can see
what's your Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
My Facebook page is Chris Hurley.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's C-R-Y-S-H-U-R-L-E-Y like the
brand Hurley and then on mynonprofit page it's Graceful Art
Dash Nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So if people want to see it.
They can check it out.
Yes, and so that's how SpringPainting was was born and I
started doing it more.
It took me a little bit to doanother one, of course, because
you aren't always wanting toscream, you know.
Yeah um so thank goodness,you're right, and so I do paint,
paint, but, like, my paintingsare different than my screen
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paintings and each screenpainting is completely different
.
You don't have to make abeautiful picture, you don't
have to have a scenic view oranything it can be.
You can leave it as chaotic asyou want, or you can bring the
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positive and bring in less chaosinto the painting if you'd like
, and or you can do like mixedmedia endings like that one up
there at the top.
I know y'all can't see it, butit basically I did, um, I did it
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in texture, so it is verytextured and.
I did it in different layers,with the purging first and um
different layers of texturedpaint which I made myself, like
I use salt for texture or sand,oh cool.
And on top of doing each layer,I started taking magazine
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clippings of words, likepositive words, and pictures,
even stickers, of differentthings that made me happy and
that made me think of somethinghappy, and I put it onto the
canvas as well.
And I didn't cover everythingup, but some things did get
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covered up and just little bitshere and there covered up.
Some are completely showing.
And I even started seeing awoman's face start to form, even
started seeing a woman's facestart to form.
So I embellished on it and likeI made um her hair, so to speak
, and the different textures anddifferent objects, like I put a
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butterfly, a 3d butterflysticker, to where her hair would
be, so it looked like a hairclip.
So, and then one of my treesare also in it in there, so it
can be anything.
And another one I've done islike I used watercolors, and the
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watercolor one was done on myson's birthday, this in 2024.
And I had to use my insidepaint voice because it was dark
and I was here by myself and Ididn't get to talk to him and I
wanted to cry.
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So I grabbed a tablecloth andput it out on the floor.
I grabbed the canvas and atthis point I was like you know
what I'm gonna do watercolorsand I got the canvas wet.
I started dripping thewatercolors everywhere and then
took a straw and started blowingit different directions and it
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came out really cool.
It took a few hours and then Idid neurographic art on it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Explain what the neurographic painting is,
because that's really cool too,it is.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
The neurographic art is basically it's neuro, like
your brain, your neurons fromyour brain, like what you were
talking about earlier.
It helps you.
You can do it different ways.
The therapeutic way is to takeyour problem that you want to
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solve, that you don't have ananswer for, and write it on the
back of the canvas or the paper,whatever you're doing it on.
Write it on the back and then,um again, breathing and letting
yourself just go and you take apen, a pen, a marker, whatever
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you want to do, and take anddraw a line from one side of the
paper to the other.
But when I say draw a line, youdon't purposely draw a straight
line, purposely.
Draw a curved line.
You don't purposely draw astraight line, purposely draw a
curved line.
If you feel like you need to goup with your hand in your pen,
you're supposed to go downbecause you're transforming.
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You're supposed to go theopposite direction of what your
mind wants.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You're fighting your urges.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You're trying to do the opposite of every instinct
Letting go of control, lettinggo of control to where you're
reframing your thought process,because the lines of neuro art
is your thoughts and um.
When you reframe them and stopgoing in the direction that
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you're used to going and changethe direction of what's normal,
that helps you reshape andreform.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So it's kind of like a doodle.
You like start a line and thenthe whole time you're trying to
do the opposite of what you'reinstinctually wanting to do and
you just let that flow.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, and the idea of the lines isn't.
It's not like.
It's not like taking a line andjust drawing it until you stop.
All over the paper it'sdifferent lines and it can go up
down, sideways or whatever.
So you fill the paper with likeseveral of these, yeah, from one
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end of the paper to the otheryep, and like you don't want to
bring that line back to the sameside, because you're taking
that thought and you're weavingit in and out to the other end,
to the other side of yourproblem, and so you're trying.
So the idea of neurographic artis helping you figure out how
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to work a problem out, even ifyou're not thinking about it at
that moment.
You eventually were like ohyeah, you know what it's, just
comes to you.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's hard to explain, it's like you're like tricking
your brain into being open tosomething different is what it
sounds like yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
You're exactly right.
And in the neuro graphic artthere's different shapes.
Going deeper into thetherapeutic side there's also,
each is like.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
there's a meaning associated with some of the like
shapes and things that you'redoing oh, how interesting to do
that and then look it up.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yes.
And like the therapeutic side ofit too.
Again, I did this for like thescreen painting, but for from
the therapeutic side from theproblem, solving part of it and
not just making it pretty.
Art is the colors.
You can choose whatever colorsyou want, but the colors if you
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do red on one side, you have tobalance it out and do red on the
other side and and you have todo like you can't do one section
, you have to do like three ormore sections, like when I say
sections, it's like differentparts of each side of the line,
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so you can have three parts youcolor in.
But if you do that, you have todo the other side.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So it needs to be symmetrical with the colors.
The lines are not symmetrical,but your colors are symmetrical.
Yeah, okay, what does that do?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
um, it helps you balance out your inner self and
your emotions.
But, but I did forget one partwhen, before you do the colors
and stuff and the shapes youwant to take, the intersections.
And intersections is where thelines cross over each other.
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Okay, and round out the corners, because those sharp edges of
the corners, where your thoughtsoverlap, where they turn, yes,
are sharp edges, and thosethoughts they're like, oh, oh,
where you're stuck, uh-huh, it'sjust like binding.
So when you round them out, itmakes it um, oh, it makes it um,
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smoother and easier to navigatethrough the thoughts so you let
yourself go freely fightingyour instinct.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Instincts, lines all over the paper.
Does it matter how many linesyou put nope, nope, so as many
lines you're feeling from oneside of the paper to another
corner of the paper and then yougo through and no line is
supposed to.
You're not supposed to mimic theline, okay, so no two lines are
the same yep, you let yourselfflow with each one, fighting
your instinct, trying to do theopposite.
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Then you go back and you softenall the sharp edges and turns
with what, like the same color,you go over you just draw over
it.
Yep, I think the one I saw ofyours almost looked like you had
thickened some of your lines,like drawn over the lines some
more, yep, and that's where theintersections are Okay so, oh,
okay.
So where they cross over eachother, you're thickening those
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areas up.
Yes, it actually okay.
So we're describing this, butif you know what neurons in the
brain look like, um, do you havethis picture on your website
too?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I, I do.
Uh, I don't think it's on mywebsite yet, but it is on um
Facebook and it is also on thenonprofit page, graceful art
nonprofit and on the ChrisHurley page.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It ends up actually looking similar to like what a
neuron looks like up close undera microscope.
That's why it's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And then you balance out the color.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yep, it's called what ?
Nero?
Okay, it's really cool.
I mean it turns out lookingreally cool too.
It reminds me of some of thedoodles I would do in high
school, but like with much moreintention behind it.
Yes, yes and so, like I said,so that's an exercise for when
you're feeling stuck and likeyou need a solution.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Okay, Yep, yep, that it definitely can be.
That's one.
That is one factor of neuro um,graphic art.
And then, you know, people alsoturn it into just, oh, I forgot
, I didn't put it back on thewall, but, um, like, what I did
here is I didn't go into thetherapeutic process of neuro art
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itself.
I did the colors, but I didn'tknow I was going to do neuro art
at first.
Again, it's just what came out.
It just you go with the flowand whatever you feel like at
that time, go with it.
And that's what I was like okay, I'm gonna do neuro art and
then my neurons.
At first I was just going tolike, doodle on it and then,
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like, as I did a line, it justended up being a neuro line and
I just did more.
And then, um, after I did thelines and rounded them out, I
also put positive affirmationsand positive words around the
different ones.
And I put my son's name in themiddle.
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So when I hung it up and whenyou look at it like this, you
really can't see much, you know,you just see colors in the
lines.
When I hung it up, with hisname being right side up in the
middle and I was just looking atit, there is a dark figure that
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looks like a person and um.
In the person you can see theface just looks mean and it just
goes around his name off to theside, behind all the lines, and
then there's another face, justa face like almost like they're
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trying to eat him up um, goingdown towards his name, but also
again above, where all the umthick lines are um, and when I
look at that I'm like, oh my god, it's like keeping him from
from evil, it's keeping him safe, because where his name is is
(41:19):
like, if you look at his name,it's right here, just where it's
all bright oh yeah, if you lookat the painting, it's like in
the center and circled by likesome really bright, vibrant
colors with the dark outsideRight.
Yeah, red, and then, like the,the figure that I was talking
about is over here.
You probably can't see it here.
(41:40):
Yeah, it's off to the rightUpper side of the painting and
the face that looks like it'seating him is like on the right
upper side, but slightly lowerthan the big figure.
I was just looking.
I was like, oh my God, that'sreally cool.
It's really cool how the colorsand the lines just form
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different things, and I know ifsomebody else looks, looks at it
, they're not going to see thesame thing, and that's fine,
because that's the great thingabout art, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I was like that's kind of the point.
Right there you're pulling yourown demons out of there.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
That's so cool so cool.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, crystal, this is amazing.
I, I think this is so cool, soyou teach other people this.
Now, what kind of?
What kind of people are youteaching?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm my focus in.
The reason I did this nonprofitis why I'm building the
nonprofit is because I'm tryingto reach.
I try to reach anybody thatneeds help with releasing their
emotions and and want to do itin a creative, fun way, in a
different, healthy way.
(42:52):
But my main people that I'mwanting to help the most are
those that can't afford to goout and spend $150 to $250 an
hour at a, at a therapist oranything like that to help
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release some of the things thatthe negative thoughts and the
things that are going on intheir lives.
I wasn't able to, and if itwasn't for insurance I wouldn't
have been able to go to thephysical therapist or the the
speech therapist.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, and you kind of stumbled upon art therapy by
chance, and I don't think that'scovered by insurance.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So, yeah, I found one company that is oh, that's cool
, nearby Yep, but it's notcompletely covered by insurance.
Yeah, it's like half and half.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
That's so awesome that you're trying to provide it
for people for free.
So do you do these?
Um, when you do, when you dothese workshops or classes with
people where you teach them thisart therapy and your scream art
, do you do it all in person?
Do you do any of that virtually?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
yes, I am wanting not to just reach my local
community, but I'm also wantingto venture out and reach online
the online community too.
So when I do this like I again,because this is brand new and
last month I did, on the 19thand the 26th of January, I did
(44:30):
in-person classes, but on the18th and the 25th, on Saturday,
I did my online class and I didit in a private Facebook group
and it was a paid ticket one, soto help raise money for getting
supplies and getting my um feesand stuff going for the
(44:53):
non-profit um.
So right now I am offering lowpriced ticket classes beautiful,
excuse me, and what I?
What I'm, because this wasbrand new to me doing the online
and doing in person.
I am tweaking it a little bitand, um, I do, when I do online
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one, I also want to be able todo the in person the same
weekend or in the same timeframe, but the online one would
be inside a private facebookgroup where even the in-person
people that participate inperson would also be able to
access the online, the facebookgroup or the private group, as
(45:40):
well, awesome, I love that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And then you use the.
We are going to use any moneyyou make to put back into the
company to get art supplies, andso if someone's interested in
learning more about this abouteither donating or, you know,
getting in class with you orputting you in connection with
someone that could benefit fromthis how do they get ahold of
you?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Well, you can either go and message me on Chris
Hurley, you can DM.
Go and message me on ChrisHurley, you can DM me there.
Or you can DM me at gracefulart nonprofit on Facebook, or
you can go to my web, my website, which is graceful artcom.
The end like the letter N, soit's graceful art and self
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healing.
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I'm going to put this on the notes to the show notes,
but so it's graceful art theletter N and then self
awakeningcom.
I love that Beautiful.
So I ask everyone this um, msCrystal crystal, but what is
your go-to self-care when you'rehaving like a hard time?
What's the thing you do thathelps you find peace and picks
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you up?
Do your number one, yeah, Iwould guess, no less but.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
But no, if, if I'm not able to, if I'm not able to
paint or if I'm not able to gooutside, um, I have my
sketchbooks, I have you can doit on a piece of paper.
I will do um, the neurographicart.
If something's bothering me, Iwill try to write.
(47:19):
Do it the therapeutic way,write it the problem out on the
back, who is doing it?
Or like what's causing it?
Um, and then do the lines andtry to figure out the um, the
solution, and um.
But let it come to me.
I don't try to force it,because if you try to force it
you're gonna overthink it andthen you're just gonna get
(47:41):
overwhelmed with all thethoughts that come to you at
once.
I bet that's part of the therapyis learning how to let it flow,
because it's not easy for us,and then you're just going to
get overwhelmed with all thethoughts that come to you at
once.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I bet that's part of the therapy is learning how to
let it flow, because it's noteasy for us.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, it's not, but, and that's why, like, if you
still yourself going a certainway up, nope, let me go this way
, because you're redirectingyour thoughts and your, your
thought process.
The other thing that I reallylike to do, other than doodle
and my paint the screen paintingis, uh, zentangles.
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I love zentangles.
So, yes, like those type ofthings is my go-to when I'm
stressed out and can't paint.
Um, another thing that I try todo every morning.
I don't do it every morning,but I try to do the affirmations
Um, you know, I am strong, I amcreative, creative, creative.
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And um, you know I won't.
Or um, I am, you know, I won't,or um, I am, you know yeah, I
love my affirmations as well,morning and night I do.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I don't do them every day, but I do them a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
So yeah and um.
Another thing that I do, or tryto do when I feel like I've
woke up, in a bad mood, is Iwould go and draw my breath and
basically all it is is I draw aline.
When I breathe in, the linegoes up.
And breathe out, the line goesdown.
And if I'm, if I'm holding, like, if I hold my breath for the
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count of four, three, four count, I go up until I let the breath
out and then I go down until Istop exhaling.
And if I pause, if I pause andjust you know, hold it for a
minute and not do anything onthe breath out, I go straight
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across and then back up when Iinhale again.
And when I'm done with thatI'll go back and look at it.
And sometimes when you look atwhat you've done whether it's
painting, whether it's drawing,whether it's writing or the
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neuro lines or the Zentangles oreven drawing your breath when
you go back and look at it, youwill notice something that came
up when you were doing that thatyou didn't realize.
At the moment you're like ohcrap, I didn't realize, I was
thinking that, and if somethinglike that happens, I'll write it
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down next to the line where Inoticed the thought was oh cool,
I like that.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's a cool one.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I never even thought, whether it's negative or
positive, that I write it downnext to the breath line.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I think drawing your breath work sounds like a really
interesting idea it is.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It helps you.
It helps you relax from feelinglike today's gonna go bad.
I love that again.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
It's reframing your thoughts and just re, you know,
redirecting your thought process, especially for people that are
like more physical people whoneed to express things
physically or have, just like,more creative brains where they
need that creative.
I love that.
That's beautiful.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on the podcast, crystal.
Is there anything else you wantto add before we go, crystal?
Speaker 2 (51:04):
is there anything else you want to add before we
go?
You can.
If you want to find more, youcan go to my link tree, which is
link tree backslash.
Graceful art NP.
Np for nonprofit.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much.
I cannot wait to see what youdo.
I think you're just at thebeginning of all this beautiful
stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, yes, I am and it has.
It has helped me out so much.
If if I wasn't doing this andthe stuff happened with my son
and I wasn't doing anything likethis, I would have gone like
mentally crazy.
I probably would have had amental breakdown.
But doing my art and finding myscreen painting has helped me
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realize how strong me and my sonboth really are and help me
figure out and see other ways ofgoing about doing things with
getting him back.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, I love that.
What a beautiful story ofresilience.
I hope you get to touch manyother people that can benefit
from your services.
Thank you so much.
Okay, tell me a little bit about how you
developed this rage painting orkind of how your nonprofit came
about.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
First and foremost, I got back into painting, into my
art, um going it'll be fouryears this summer, but, um, it
started because of a caraccident that will be four years
(00:34):
in april.
That happened and I sufferedlike a, a very big concussion
that I didn't even hit my headthat hard, I didn't know I hit
head, I did not pass out oranything like that, and the
wreck was not that bad, um, butapparently I slammed my head
against the window and, um, acouple of days later I started
(00:58):
having the symptoms of having aconcussion, like really bad, and
it lasted weeks and it justkind of continuously got worse
so, which became post-concussivesyndrome, and with that I had
major migraines, lightsensitivity, noise sensitivity,
(01:21):
tendonitis, which is ringing, orany foreign noise inside the
ear.
A lot of people associate itwith just ringing, but
apparently it's any noise that'sinside the ear and you can't
hear outside.
Um, and sometimes it's horror,so bad that it you just feel
(01:43):
sick and you have to lay down.
But with that it also messedwith my speech and at first I
didn't notice that I hadanything wrong with my speech.
I didn't know there was adelayed reaction in thought
versus what was coming out andprocessing thought versus what
was coming out and processing.
(02:04):
But after a few weeks and amonth I started noticing it and
it was became so frustratingthat being frustrated about it,
being upset that I wasn't ableto communicate, stressed me out
even more.
So being stressed out caused itto be worse, which also caused
(02:26):
the post-concussive syndromesymptoms to be worse, and all
that lovely stuff.
So, going through speech therapyand physical therapy, both my
therapists suggested I get backinto art because they started
noticing that I have a verycreative mind, because I would
(02:48):
notice little objects andpictures on the ceilings that
has a little black dots all over.
That you find in doctor'soffices and hospital ceiling
tiles, yeah, yeah, and I wouldjust find random objects and
going into like the CT roomwhere you get CT CAT scans from,
(03:09):
I would actually they havepictures and pretty art up on
the ceiling.
I started finding.
I started finding animals inthe trees that nobody else saw.
Well, they didn't notice themand I started pointing them out
to them.
So now they actually point theanimals out to other patients so
(03:32):
the patients can be a littlebit calmer going through the CT
machine and so they're like youhave such a creative mind.
Do you need to like have youever painted or done any art?
It's like, yeah, I did when Iwas younger.
Um, what about writing?
It's like oh, yeah, I lovewriting, but with, um, the light
(03:54):
sensitivity and everything, Ialso had a problem with my eyes.
I say that I broke my eyesbecause my eyes don't focus like
they're supposed to anymore,where if I'm looking off in the
distance and then I go to lookat something close up, at first
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my eyes would not refocus at all, and in order to get them to
refocus, I would have to closemy eyes completely for a couple
seconds and then face whateverit was that I was going to be
looking at and then open my eyes.
Um, but with that looking atwords or numbers or anything
(04:39):
that's small writing, even theclock, the digital clock on the,
the stove in the microwave,would double over and get blurry
, so that everything would mushtogether and it's frustrating,
oh yes, and so if I looked at itfor more than like a minute, I
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would get extreme migrainesbecause my eyes were trying to
focus and trying to lineeverything up, but it wasn't.
It wasn't working, so itoverstimulated my brain and my
optic nerves so I couldn't write.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And when.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I did write it.
It was very interesting towatch later how my words went
around the page.
Oh yeah.
And so I tried drawing as well.
But I had the same issue,because in the middle, or if
there's like five lines, youfind the one.
(05:50):
You eventually find the onethat's the right line and you
just follow it.
But that takes a lot of timeand a lot of frustration.
So I started painting and atfirst I just painted like fluid
paint and just did littleflowers and stuff like that.
(06:12):
I did watch tutorials to getmyself back into painting
because I've been out ofpractice for over 20 years, so I
watched a lot of stories.
After a few months I had afriend um go, hey, you know
you're not stumbling over yourwords as much as you were before
(06:33):
.
I'm like what?
Like, yeah, your, your speechis becoming so much clearer.
I was like, really, and they goyeah, are you painting and they
go, are you painting every day?
I was like, really, and they goyeah, are you painting?
And they go, are you paintingevery day?
I was like, yeah, I am, becauseI started giving my stuff away
because I had so much.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And, as you, started painting more, your speech got
better.
What was the timeframe on thisthat you saw improvement?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, I it was probably a couple months like
two months at the least was wheneverybody started noticing a
difference.
But if you look, if I look backat it, it was very gradual,
(07:20):
very slow process to where Iwasn't as stressed, very slow
process to where I wasn't asstressed.
I felt a little more relaxed,even like at the time I didn't
realize it.
But looking back I can see thatthere was a time where I
started getting less frustrated.
I started not worrying aboutstuff that wasn't constantly on
(07:41):
my mind.
It wasn't constantly on my mind, and being in doing art and
painting helped with that.
And after a couple months ofthe speech problems, um, people
started noticing a differenceand within six months it was
completely clear.
(08:03):
But if notice, today there'sstill times that I have to pause
because I'll start stumblingover my words or the specific
word won't come to me right away.
So I have to pause, but I'mactually able to get out the
things that I'm trying to say,whereas before, like four years
(08:24):
years ago, I wasn't able to.
So yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So tell me how far out from your accident were you
when you started painting?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I started painting.
My accident was in April 2021.
I started painting um rightbefore uh, I'm trying to
timeline it with school um, itwas probably towards the
(08:54):
beginning, middle of summer, soprobably about the end of June.
Early July is when I actuallystarted painting um and but like
trying to do the writing andthe journaling and the drawing
was probably accident was inApril, june.
(09:18):
I started all that in May ortry to okay, um, and then my
painting itself.
I started very slowly around theend of June to early July and
then by November, in thatDecember, a lot of people
(09:39):
started noticing the bigdifference.
Wow.
So it was when somebody pointedit out.
I was like, oh my gosh, that'samazing.
So I continued it and then in2022, like mid-2022, everybody
started suggesting that I startselling my artwork.
(10:00):
I'm like I am not that good, butmy speech improved so much more
over the next six months, um,from december to like june of
2022, and, um, my balance eveneven got, even improved.
And when I'm having like reallybad migraines, I will go and
(10:25):
I'll go paint and it helps easethe migraines off and it'll help
ease the tinnitus and stuff offas well, because when you're
not doing anything, those thingsbecome more noticeable to you
when it's bothering you.
So when you do something thatyou enjoy, like painting and
(10:46):
just getting your mind to focuson something else or not focus
at all, your symptoms improve.
It might be just for that 10minutes, but for that 10 minutes
you're not having to sufferfrom all that that pain or
anxiety, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I love that.
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And um.
So through all that, I didstart selling my art and in 20,
was it 2023?
I decided I was going to join auh, a creative it was creative
(11:32):
mastermind, um, and that helpedcreative women grow their
creative businesses, and so Istarted that in 2023.
And then that was January 2023and to help me grow what I was
assuming was going to be mypainting business.
(11:54):
So.
But as I started, I was like,how, how is my art itself going
to help other people?
Because I wanted to help, Istarted wanting to help other
people with their problems, likeI had similar to mine in a way
(12:18):
that art helped me.
But at the time I was like howsomebody just buying a piece of
painting going to help insituations like that?
Yes, paintings, um, do makepeople, people, people, people
happy just looking at the artand it resonating with them.
(12:38):
But in the back of my mind I'mlike, no, there's got to be
something more to my art that Ican help people with.
And then all of a sudden, likeduh, it's been very therapeutic
for me.
So therapeutic, therapeutic,therapeutic art Is that such a
thing?
I Googled it and it is.
(13:00):
There's actually like arttherapists.
I didn't know that, and so Istarted digging deeper into the
therapeutic art side ofeverything.
Deeper into the therapeutic artside of everything, and with my
speech therapist and myphysical therapist, they taught
me breathing exercises likebreath work, and some meditation
(13:24):
exercises too, that you don'thave to sit still for.
So I wanted to try toincorporate that into into doing
my art, which I did withouteven realizing it at first.
But I wanted to find a way toactively sub and consciously do
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that together with art andbreath work.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
and mindfulness like being more intentional with the
way you use it and when you'reusing it to, to intentionally
help you release that stress andto help you get those emotions
out.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Because what I started noticing at the same
time that my speech was gettingbetter, I started noticing
before I started painting again.
I started noticing that old um,old things from my past abusive
relationships and stuff likethat started coming up.
All the flashbacks startedcoming back up with things I
(14:26):
thought I dealt with, thought Igot over.
Well, in honesty, I just buriedit down deep and was like I'm
not going to let it bother meanymore.
But your body says knock, knock, knock.
I think a lot of us do thatright.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Hello, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yep, I started digging deeper into therapeutic
art and the mindfulness side ofeverything.
I started peeling back thoselayers of myself and my past and
purging it out.
Instead of just burying it deep, I started letting it out,
working, working through theemotions connecting with the
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past trauma.
So, in when you connect with itand you acknowledge it, yep, hi
, that happened.
Hi, abusive incident yeah, you,you, even though that happened
to me, you made me be able tostand up, you made me stronger
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for that.
So that's you connecting tothat incident that you felt bad
about and that you tried to hide.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And then like revisiting and reframing your
trauma.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, Instead of letting it, instead of it taking
you over, okay, you basicallystand face to face with it and
make, get to the point to whereit's not bigger than you and you
just shrink it down andeventually it's your same size.
So then you can face off withit, so to speak, and work
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through it.
And when you work through it,after connecting to it and
acknowledging that it happenedor that you feel that way, you
can work through it and helpyourself, live past it and
acknowledge that's part of you.
It's not who you are's not, itdoesn't make you and it's not
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you, but it did happen and it'smade you stronger for it.
And once you realize that youcan be stronger and that you can
step over that and step past itactually not step over it,
because if you step over it,you're just letting it linger-
so you're having to open thatdoor and take that step and take
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that leap to go through yourtrauma, to go through those
negative thoughts and thenegative emotions.
And when you do that, thatweight, that weight that you
carried for so long, startsfalling off.
And I do that with a lot ofthings.
I did that with my past.
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There's still times that somethings still come up, but it
doesn't bother me as much as itdid before, and that gets easier
as you do it.
Yes, yes, because I'm not goingto sit here and tell you that
those things will never, everbother you again, because that's
not.
I can't promise that, you know.
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Yeah, but when you work throughit and you acknowledge it, it
helps you to where, if it evercomes back up again or something
similar happens again, you havea better way of dealing with it
, working through it and notletting it beat you down what a
resilient way to approach, likea way to practice resiliency.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Take your negative feelings and make them a
positive experience.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, and towards the , towards September of 2023, I
got my cert.
I got my certification intherapeutic art in August 2023.
And my certification, mycertificate yeah, my
certification certificate forself-healing, the breath work
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and the meditation process ofthe therapeutic side of it, and
I've started putting it together.
So, towards the end ofSeptember, of course, I was
questioning myself like how, howdo I know and how can I show
people?
This is probably how do I knowand how can I show people?
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This is probably why whathappened next happened.
But I was like how can, how amI going to be able to show
people that it actually worksfor now?
Because I don't have anythingnow.
That's really going on.
Well, you've got to be carefulwith what you wish, what you ask
for, because the very nextmonth, october 2023, my abusive
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giving him custody of my son andrestricting my visitation and
taking my visitation away untilfurther notice.
And how he did this was he.
You know, he basically lied andfalsified information and I was
not aware if there was a courtdate or anything like that.
So I wasn't there.
I wasn't at the court date inAugust 2023 to um plead my case,
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plead why I wasn't in Alabamaand why I came back to North
Carolina and so in October hecame up here and presented the
judge up here with those papersand on October 27th I had to
watch my son leave um, and I'vebeen fighting it ever since.
So I'm so sorry.
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Painting with, actually thankyou.
Spring painting was actuallyborn from that.
Because I did paint and um, Idid try to help myself through
this time and at first I thoughtI was and you know, lying to
yourself, not being in denialthat you're not OK.
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So one day I got into anargument with my boyfriend and I
could have sworn.
I was pissed off, mad at himand I was like, forget this, I'm
going outside.
And I was like you know what,instead of just going outside,
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I'm gonna grab my paint, I'mgonna grab my easel and I'm
gonna grab my canvas.
And at this time it was a.
The canvas I had was a two footby three foot canvas and I I
came into my art room and I satin front of my paints.
It's like I can't just grabpaints.
What color it?
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Um resonates with what I'mfeeling right now and at the
time it was such a huge clusterof emotions and feelings and
frustration and at the time Ididn't know that.
It was like a whole bunch ofeverything at the same time,
being upset about what happened,with my son being frustrated
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that he wasn't there forChristmas or New Year's, feeling
like nobody understood what Iwas going through.
Nobody understood, nobody was.
I felt like nobody was takingme seriously.
I felt like nobody was takingthe situation seriously.
So it was a whole bunch ofeverything piled together and
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then me and boyfriend got intoan argument and it just started
to overwhelm and explode.
But before it exploded, I camein, I got sat down with my
paints and whatever color cameto me with what I was feeling is
what I grabbed.
I grabbed the paint and I mixedthem with um.
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I mixed them so they would runmore easily on the canvas and I
packed my backpack and my canvasbag and everything.
And at first I was like, oh, Igrabbed brushes and things
because I was like I had no ideawhat I was going to do.
I just knew I was going to gopaint.
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I knew I needed to scream andso when I got out there I set
everything up and at this pointI took a stick and dipped it
into one of my paint bottles,and I was just writing on the
canvas with the stick, and thenI was, and then I threw paint on
there.
And the more I threw paint, atfirst I was just like easy
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dripping the paint on there,like.
And then I was like I startedthrowing the paint on there.
I took the paint and rubbed itall over my hands and started
punching the canvas, even withmy non-dominant hand.
And then I saw a pine cone andI picked that pine cone up, I
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drenched it with paint and atfirst I was like toss it just
barely, because I was like, oh,I don't want to break the canvas
.
I think I can do a little bitbetter than that.
Let's see how much this canvascan take, because I've already
punched it, I've already smackedit with a stick and the canvas
still held up.
So I was like all right if itbreaks, you know what?
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Whatever, if this canvas justfalls apart, I don't care, I've
got to let this out.
And so I started throwing,throwing the pine cone.
And at the same time I wasthrowing the pine cone, I was
just screaming and I and at onepoint I even was like I can't
believe this is happening, likewhy, you know, yelling at my ex,
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yelling at boyfriend, yellingat myself, um, yelling at god,
even and um, and stomping on theground on the devil's head, you
know.
And then I realized that Iactually wasn't mad at my
boyfriend.
But so I started throwing that,that pine cone, and I hit the
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canvas every single time and Ijust threw it harder and harder,
and harder.
And this one time I threw thepine cone so hard it went over
the canvas and just barelytouched the top.
It just scraped off and bouncedand went flying through the
woods and I just startedlaughing and I was like, oh, my
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god, I can't believe thathappened.
And all of a sudden I realizedthat all that frustration and
what everything negative I wasfeeling, all the anger, all the
um just wanting to hit someonewas gone.
And that's when I decided I waslike you know what I like,
where I am right now, I'm notgoing to do anymore.
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And I stepped back.
I was like Holy cow, that isamazing.
I can't believe I did that, um.
And then it was all the trees,the way they were.
At that point At first I waslike, oh, I'm going to put grass
there, I'm going to put thishere and this there and, um,
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after a meeting I had because Istopped painting outside because
I had a meeting I had to go toum on zoom, so I stopped for an
hour and then I was like, oh, Iknow, I'm not done for today,
and so I started doing thedetails on the trees and
everything.
And at five o'clock thatevening I stopped and I was like
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, well, I know it's not done andI took a step back.
I was like, oh my, I took apicture of it.
I was like, oh my god, I can'tbelieve I did that.
Oh my, and it just sat with meand it was like overwhelmingly
beautiful and surprising thatthat came from me.
And, um, then later that nightI'm like, no, she's done,
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there's nothing else I need todo with this.
I don't, it doesn't need grass,it's perfect the way it is.
And, oh my god, like everybodyloved it and I wanted to keep it
.
But, um, my boyfriend said thatI need and he's right, I needed
to put that, that emotion, outto other people so they can
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experience it as well.
And at first I didn't know thatanybody was going to feel what I
felt at the time I was doing it.
But I went to an event and Iset it up, not expecting to sell
it, and everybody that was thatwas the main attraction
Everybody just graduated like,gravitated towards it and like,
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oh my God, wow, you, all theemotions in that.
I was like, really yeah, youwere like mad angry laughing.
I was like, yeah, actually wasall that and so cool that people
could see that I thought it wasreally cool and somebody
actually bought it and theybought it for.
They bought it for 250 bucks.
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Awesome, that's amazing.
Um, I hate that it's gone butat the same time, I'm glad that
somebody got it that loves it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I am making.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I am making prints of it and I have it on the
background of my computer.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
It's all good, you saved a copy of what it looks
like.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I love that, oh yeah, oh yeah, I did it's.
I have it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's on my Facebook page is oh, so people can see
what's your Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
My Facebook page is Chris Hurley.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's C-R-Y-S-H-U-R-L-E-Y like the
brand Hurley and then on mynonprofit page it's Graceful Art
Dash Nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So if people want to see it.
They can check it out.
Yes, and so that's how SpringPainting was was born and I
started doing it more.
It took me a little bit to doanother one, of course, because
you aren't always wanting toscream, you know.
Yeah um so thank goodness,you're right, and so I do paint,
paint, but, like, my paintingsare different than my screen
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paintings and each screenpainting is completely different
.
You don't have to make abeautiful picture, you don't
have to have a scenic view oranything it can be.
You can leave it as chaotic asyou want, or you can bring the
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positive and bring in less chaosinto the painting if you'd like
, and or you can do like mixedmedia endings like that one up
there at the top.
I know y'all can't see it, butit basically I did, um, I did it
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in texture, so it is verytextured and.
I did it in different layers,with the purging first and um
different layers of texturedpaint which I made myself, like
I use salt for texture or sand,oh cool.
And on top of doing each layer,I started taking magazine
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clippings of words, likepositive words, and pictures,
even stickers, of differentthings that made me happy and
that made me think of somethinghappy, and I put it onto the
canvas as well.
And I didn't cover everythingup, but some things did get
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covered up and just little bitshere and there covered up.
Some are completely showing.
And I even started seeing awoman's face start to form, even
started seeing a woman's facestart to form.
So I embellished on it and likeI made um her hair, so to speak
, and the different textures anddifferent objects, like I put a
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butterfly, a 3d butterflysticker, to where her hair would
be, so it looked like a hairclip.
So, and then one of my treesare also in it in there, so it
can be anything.
And another one I've done islike I used watercolors, and the
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watercolor one was done on myson's birthday, this in 2024.
And I had to use my insidepaint voice because it was dark
and I was here by myself and Ididn't get to talk to him and I
wanted to cry.
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So I grabbed a tablecloth andput it out on the floor.
I grabbed the canvas and atthis point I was like you know
what I'm gonna do watercolorsand I got the canvas wet.
I started dripping thewatercolors everywhere and then
took a straw and started blowingit different directions and it
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came out really cool.
It took a few hours and then Idid neurographic art on it.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Explain what the neurographic painting is,
because that's really cool too,it is.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
The neurographic art is basically it's neuro, like
your brain, your neurons fromyour brain, like what you were
talking about earlier.
It helps you.
You can do it different ways.
The therapeutic way is to takeyour problem that you want to
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solve, that you don't have ananswer for, and write it on the
back of the canvas or the paper,whatever you're doing it on.
Write it on the back and then,um again, breathing and letting
yourself just go and you take apen, a pen, a marker, whatever
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you want to do, and take anddraw a line from one side of the
paper to the other.
But when I say draw a line, youdon't purposely draw a straight
line, purposely.
Draw a curved line.
You don't purposely draw astraight line, purposely draw a
curved line.
If you feel like you need to goup with your hand in your pen,
you're supposed to go downbecause you're transforming.
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You're supposed to go theopposite direction of what your
mind wants.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You're fighting your urges.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You're trying to do the opposite of every instinct
Letting go of control, lettinggo of control to where you're
reframing your thought process,because the lines of neuro art
is your thoughts and um.
When you reframe them and stopgoing in the direction that
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you're used to going and changethe direction of what's normal,
that helps you reshape andreform.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So it's kind of like a doodle.
You like start a line and thenthe whole time you're trying to
do the opposite of what you'reinstinctually wanting to do and
you just let that flow.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, and the idea of the lines isn't.
It's not like.
It's not like taking a line andjust drawing it until you stop.
All over the paper it'sdifferent lines and it can go up
down, sideways or whatever.
So you fill the paper with likeseveral of these, yeah, from one
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end of the paper to the otheryep, and like you don't want to
bring that line back to the sameside, because you're taking
that thought and you're weavingit in and out to the other end,
to the other side of yourproblem, and so you're trying.
So the idea of neurographic artis helping you figure out how
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to work a problem out, even ifyou're not thinking about it at
that moment.
You eventually were like ohyeah, you know what it's, just
comes to you.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's hard to explain, it's like you're like tricking
your brain into being open tosomething different is what it
sounds like yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
You're exactly right.
And in the neuro graphic artthere's different shapes.
Going deeper into thetherapeutic side there's also,
each is like.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
there's a meaning associated with some of the like
shapes and things that you'redoing oh, how interesting to do
that and then look it up.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yes.
And like the therapeutic side ofit too.
Again, I did this for like thescreen painting, but for from
the therapeutic side from theproblem, solving part of it and
not just making it pretty.
Art is the colors.
You can choose whatever colorsyou want, but the colors if you
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do red on one side, you have tobalance it out and do red on the
other side and and you have todo like you can't do one section
, you have to do like three ormore sections, like when I say
sections, it's like differentparts of each side of the line,
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so you can have three parts youcolor in.
But if you do that, you have todo the other side.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
So it needs to be symmetrical with the colors.
The lines are not symmetrical,but your colors are symmetrical.
Yeah, okay, what does that do?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
um, it helps you balance out your inner self and
your emotions.
But, but I did forget one partwhen, before you do the colors
and stuff and the shapes youwant to take, the intersections.
And intersections is where thelines cross over each other.
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Okay, and round out the corners, because those sharp edges of
the corners, where your thoughtsoverlap, where they turn, yes,
are sharp edges, and thosethoughts they're like, oh, oh,
where you're stuck, uh-huh, it'sjust like binding.
So when you round them out, itmakes it um, oh, it makes it um,
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smoother and easier to navigatethrough the thoughts so you let
yourself go freely fightingyour instinct.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Instincts, lines all over the paper.
Does it matter how many linesyou put nope, nope, so as many
lines you're feeling from oneside of the paper to another
corner of the paper and then yougo through and no line is
supposed to.
You're not supposed to mimic theline, okay, so no two lines are
the same yep, you let yourselfflow with each one, fighting
your instinct, trying to do theopposite.
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Then you go back and you softenall the sharp edges and turns
with what, like the same color,you go over you just draw over
it.
Yep, I think the one I saw ofyours almost looked like you had
thickened some of your lines,like drawn over the lines some
more, yep, and that's where theintersections are Okay so, oh,
okay.
So where they cross over eachother, you're thickening those
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areas up.
Yes, it actually okay.
So we're describing this, butif you know what neurons in the
brain look like, um, do you havethis picture on your website
too?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I, I do.
Uh, I don't think it's on mywebsite yet, but it is on um
Facebook and it is also on thenonprofit page, graceful art
nonprofit and on the ChrisHurley page.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It ends up actually looking similar to like what a
neuron looks like up close undera microscope.
That's why it's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And then you balance out the color.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yep, it's called what ?
Nero?
Okay, it's really cool.
I mean it turns out lookingreally cool too.
It reminds me of some of thedoodles I would do in high
school, but like with much moreintention behind it.
Yes, yes and so, like I said,so that's an exercise for when
you're feeling stuck and likeyou need a solution.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Okay, Yep, yep, that it definitely can be.
That's one.
That is one factor of neuro um,graphic art.
And then, you know, people alsoturn it into just, oh, I forgot
, I didn't put it back on thewall, but, um, like, what I did
here is I didn't go into thetherapeutic process of neuro art
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itself.
I did the colors, but I didn'tknow I was going to do neuro art
at first.
Again, it's just what came out.
It just you go with the flowand whatever you feel like at
that time, go with it.
And that's what I was like okay, I'm gonna do neuro art and
then my neurons.
At first I was just going tolike, doodle on it and then,
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like, as I did a line, it justended up being a neuro line and
I just did more.
And then, um, after I did thelines and rounded them out, I
also put positive affirmationsand positive words around the
different ones.
And I put my son's name in themiddle.
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So when I hung it up and whenyou look at it like this, you
really can't see much, you know,you just see colors in the
lines.
When I hung it up, with hisname being right side up in the
middle and I was just looking atit, there is a dark figure that
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looks like a person and um.
In the person you can see theface just looks mean and it just
goes around his name off to theside, behind all the lines, and
then there's another face, justa face like almost like they're
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trying to eat him up um, goingdown towards his name, but also
again above, where all the umthick lines are um, and when I
look at that I'm like, oh my god, it's like keeping him from
from evil, it's keeping him safe, because where his name is is
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like, if you look at his name,it's right here, just where it's
all bright oh yeah, if you lookat the painting, it's like in
the center and circled by likesome really bright, vibrant
colors with the dark outsideRight.
Yeah, red, and then, like the,the figure that I was talking
about is over here.
You probably can't see it here.
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Yeah, it's off to the rightUpper side of the painting and
the face that looks like it'seating him is like on the right
upper side, but slightly lowerthan the big figure.
I was just looking.
I was like, oh my God, that'sreally cool.
It's really cool how the colorsand the lines just form
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different things, and I know ifsomebody else looks, looks at it
, they're not going to see thesame thing, and that's fine,
because that's the great thingabout art, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I was like that's kind of the point.
Right there you're pulling yourown demons out of there.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
That's so cool so cool.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Well, crystal, this is amazing.
I, I think this is so cool, soyou teach other people this.
Now, what kind of?
What kind of people are youteaching?
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm my focus in.
The reason I did this nonprofitis why I'm building the
nonprofit is because I'm tryingto reach.
I try to reach anybody thatneeds help with releasing their
emotions and and want to do itin a creative, fun way, in a
different, healthy way.
(42:52):
But my main people that I'mwanting to help the most are
those that can't afford to goout and spend $150 to $250 an
hour at a, at a therapist oranything like that to help
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release some of the things thatthe negative thoughts and the
things that are going on intheir lives.
I wasn't able to, and if itwasn't for insurance I wouldn't
have been able to go to thephysical therapist or the the
speech therapist.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, and you kind of stumbled upon art therapy by
chance, and I don't think that'scovered by insurance.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So, yeah, I found one company that is oh, that's cool
, nearby Yep, but it's notcompletely covered by insurance.
Yeah, it's like half and half.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
That's so awesome that you're trying to provide it
for people for free.
So do you do these?
Um, when you do, when you dothese workshops or classes with
people where you teach them thisart therapy and your scream art
, do you do it all in person?
Do you do any of that virtually?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
yes, I am wanting not to just reach my local
community, but I'm also wantingto venture out and reach online
the online community too.
So when I do this like I again,because this is brand new and
last month I did, on the 19thand the 26th of January, I did
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in-person classes, but on the18th and the 25th, on Saturday,
I did my online class and I didit in a private Facebook group
and it was a paid ticket one, soto help raise money for getting
supplies and getting my um feesand stuff going for the
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non-profit um.
So right now I am offering lowpriced ticket classes beautiful,
excuse me, and what I?
What I'm, because this wasbrand new to me doing the online
and doing in person.
I am tweaking it a little bitand, um, I do, when I do online
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one, I also want to be able todo the in person the same
weekend or in the same timeframe, but the online one would
be inside a private facebookgroup where even the in-person
people that participate inperson would also be able to
access the online, the facebookgroup or the private group, as
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well, awesome, I love that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And then you use the.
We are going to use any moneyyou make to put back into the
company to get art supplies, andso if someone's interested in
learning more about this abouteither donating or, you know,
getting in class with you orputting you in connection with
someone that could benefit fromthis how do they get ahold of
you?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Well, you can either go and message me on Chris
Hurley, you can DM.
Go and message me on ChrisHurley, you can DM me there.
Or you can DM me at gracefulart nonprofit on Facebook, or
you can go to my web, my website, which is graceful artcom.
The end like the letter N, soit's graceful art and self
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healing.
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I'm going to put this on the notes to the show notes,
but so it's graceful art theletter N and then self
awakeningcom.
I love that Beautiful.
So I ask everyone this um, msCrystal crystal, but what is
your go-to self-care when you'rehaving like a hard time?
What's the thing you do thathelps you find peace and picks
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you up?
Do your number one, yeah, Iwould guess, no less but.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
But no, if, if I'm not able to, if I'm not able to
paint or if I'm not able to gooutside, um, I have my
sketchbooks, I have you can doit on a piece of paper.
I will do um, the neurographicart.
If something's bothering me, Iwill try to write.
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Do it the therapeutic way,write it the problem out on the
back, who is doing it?
Or like what's causing it?
Um, and then do the lines andtry to figure out the um, the
solution, and um.
But let it come to me.
I don't try to force it,because if you try to force it
you're gonna overthink it andthen you're just gonna get
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overwhelmed with all thethoughts that come to you at
once.
I bet that's part of the therapyis learning how to let it flow,
because it's not easy for us,and then you're just going to
get overwhelmed with all thethoughts that come to you at
once.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I bet that's part of the therapy is learning how to
let it flow, because it's noteasy for us.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, it's not, but, and that's why, like, if you
still yourself going a certainway up, nope, let me go this way
, because you're redirectingyour thoughts and your, your
thought process.
The other thing that I reallylike to do, other than doodle
and my paint the screen paintingis, uh, zentangles.
(48:14):
I love zentangles.
So, yes, like those type ofthings is my go-to when I'm
stressed out and can't paint.
Um, another thing that I try todo every morning.
I don't do it every morning,but I try to do the affirmations
Um, you know, I am strong, I amcreative, creative, creative.
(48:40):
And um, you know I won't.
Or um, I am, you know, I won't,or um, I am, you know yeah, I
love my affirmations as well,morning and night I do.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I don't do them every day, but I do them a lot.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
So yeah and um.
Another thing that I do, or tryto do when I feel like I've
woke up, in a bad mood, is Iwould go and draw my breath and
basically all it is is I draw aline.
When I breathe in, the linegoes up.
And breathe out, the line goesdown.
And if I'm, if I'm holding, like, if I hold my breath for the
(49:14):
count of four, three, four count, I go up until I let the breath
out and then I go down until Istop exhaling.
And if I pause, if I pause andjust you know, hold it for a
minute and not do anything onthe breath out, I go straight
(49:35):
across and then back up when Iinhale again.
And when I'm done with thatI'll go back and look at it.
And sometimes when you look atwhat you've done whether it's
painting, whether it's drawing,whether it's writing or the
(49:56):
neuro lines or the Zentangles oreven drawing your breath when
you go back and look at it, youwill notice something that came
up when you were doing that thatyou didn't realize.
At the moment you're like ohcrap, I didn't realize, I was
thinking that, and if somethinglike that happens, I'll write it
(50:17):
down next to the line where Inoticed the thought was oh cool,
I like that.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's a cool one.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I never even thought, whether it's negative or
positive, that I write it downnext to the breath line.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I think drawing your breath work sounds like a really
interesting idea it is.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It helps you.
It helps you relax from feelinglike today's gonna go bad.
I love that again.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
It's reframing your thoughts and just re, you know,
redirecting your thought process, especially for people that are
like more physical people whoneed to express things
physically or have, just like,more creative brains where they
need that creative.
I love that.
That's beautiful.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on the podcast, crystal.
Is there anything else you wantto add before we go, crystal?
Speaker 2 (51:04):
is there anything else you want to add before we
go?
You can.
If you want to find more, youcan go to my link tree, which is
link tree backslash.
Graceful art NP.
Np for nonprofit.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much.
I cannot wait to see what youdo.
I think you're just at thebeginning of all this beautiful
stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, yes, I am and it has.
It has helped me out so much.
If if I wasn't doing this andthe stuff happened with my son
and I wasn't doing anything likethis, I would have gone like
mentally crazy.
I probably would have had amental breakdown.
But doing my art and finding myscreen painting has helped me
(51:50):
realize how strong me and my sonboth really are and help me
figure out and see other ways ofgoing about doing things with
getting him back.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, I love that.
What a beautiful story ofresilience.
I hope you get to touch manyother people that can benefit
from your services.
Thank you so much.
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