September 8, 2025 • 57 mins
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What happens when nurses break free from traditional roles and reimagine their professional identity? Emily Knife, founder of Modern Nurse Fest and Heartbeat RN, is revolutionizing how nurses view their careers and personal wellbeing.
During our candid conversation, Emily challenges the fundamental narratives of nursing shortages and burnout. With 6.8 million licensed nurses in the US but only 1.2 million vacancies, she argues the problem isn't a lack of nurses—it's a lack of nurses willing to work in hospitals. This insight exposes how healthcare systems have failed to adapt to changing expectations and needs.
Emily's response to this disconnect is Modern Nurse Fest, a groundbreaking event series traveling across the US and internationally. Unlike traditional conferences, this festival creates space for nurses to discuss topics often considered taboo—entrepreneurship, cannabis therapeutics, psychedelics, and financial empowerment. The festival also welcomes CNAs and student nurses, fostering a pipeline of future professionals who see beyond hospital walls.
Perhaps most powerful is Emily's framework for personal transformation. She describes burnout as a "Jenga tower" of accumulated trauma that eventually collapses, and offers practical strategies for rebuilding. Through somatic nursing practices, conscious perception shifts, and community building, she demonstrates how nurses can reclaim their joy and purpose.
"Dear burnout nurses, this is my love letter to you," Emily shares. "Grow a set of balls and take a moment to be with yourself. Ask yourself what do I want—not what your husband, partner, hospital, professor, or parents want—what do YOU want?" This radical self-inquiry forms the foundation of her approach to professional renewal.
Ready to discover what's possible beyond traditional nursing? Join us for an episode that might just transform how you view your nursing identity and future. Visit nursesfornurses.org to learn more about Modern Nurse Fest and the free Heartbeat RN community waiting to support your journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome back to Empowered Ease, where
each week, we highlight aremarkable woman who is changing
their field with poise andpurpose.
I'm Jen Olinger, and today myguest is Emily Knife, a
visionary leader in nursing,innovation and community
building.
Emily is the founder anddriving force behind Modern
(00:25):
Nurse Fest, an immersive eventseries with hubs across all 50
states and internationalgatherings in Europe, asia and
beyond.
Through these events, she helpsnurses earn continuing
education credits, buildmeaningful professional
relationships, network andaccess a curated marketplace of
premium scrubs, essential gearand workflow enhancing tools.
(00:49):
She also has created HeartbeatRN, a membership platform that
supports nurses through mentalhealth resources, resilience
training and entrepreneurshipand financial empowerment
courses, all designed to combatburnout and create sustainable
careers.
She's a sought-after speakerand the host of the Modern Nurse
(01:09):
podcast.
Emily travels the globeinspiring nurses to expand their
impact and build passive incomestreams.
Today, she's here to sharepractical strategies for
protecting well-being, scalingyour career and turning purpose
into profit, and, as well, tocelebrate the upcoming Modern
Nurse Fest.
So let's dig in.
(01:31):
Welcome, emily.
I'm so excited you're here.
We were gabbing so much beforeI hit record.
It was like, well, I better gofor this.
So how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Welcome.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I'm so stoked to be here and,just yeah, feeling the energy of
today.
It's so good.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, yes, I'm so excited to have you.
I'm excited to talk about allthe things that you're involved
in.
So I think the most excitingthing coming up really soon this
month is your Modern Nurse Fest.
So tell me a little bit aboutthat, and I see that it's going
to be touring and just all theexciting things about that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Modern Nurse Fest isliterally a festival celebration
of nurses, for nurses withinthe community.
So we're bringing the communityin to show them all the cool
things that nurses do, because alot of the community just
relies on nurses being in thehospital and going to the
hospital and seeing nurses inthe hospital setting or maybe in
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the primary care outpatientsetting.
But truly we don't really seenurses that are doing these
beautiful businesses and makingreally good money doing things
outside of traditional nursing.
So we wanted to highlight thatand there's not really any other
conference that is currentlydoing that for all nurses,
including CNAs and STNAs andnurses like.
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We want them to come in becausethat's how we keep retention
but we also grow the nursingfield right.
We get those CNAs, the STNAs,we get those nurses' aides up
into the ranks because they knowwhat it's like and a lot of
them want to be nurses.
So we are so excited to holdthis in Anchorage, Alaska.
September 24th is our VIP dinnerand 25th and 26th is our actual
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workshops.
We have food trucks, we havethe police coming with a car so
many cool things, because it'salso the community, so the
community is going to be able towalk through the vendor
exhibitor areas while the nursesare able to obtain about 20 CEs
.
In our workshop areas we have,like a meditation area, yoga,
wellness.
We're also going to be talkingabout psychedelics, cannabis,
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entrepreneurship, things thatnurses typically are kind of
tabooed for talking about oreven shut down and talking and
discussing about.
So we really wanted to createthis beautiful, safe and
supported space that nurses cancome and just learn and not feel
like they're going to getrepercussions for just talking
about a plant.
Yeah, so we're excited to bringthis to Anchorage, Alaska, and
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then we'll be traveling in thelower 48 is what the Alaskans
call it.
We'll be traveling to Florida,Texas, New England and
California in 2026.
And then 2027, we have fourstates picked out, but we're
kind of rallying to see who'sgoing to win for the states and
then we'll be in London oreither Sydney, Australia.
So we're super excited to justblow this out of the water and
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just get the whole world ofnurses like together and in
community.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh, how exciting.
So I didn't realize it was opento like the general community
as well and it sounds like it'skind of highlighting a lot of
the non-traditional nursingroutes that are growing nowadays
that I think a lot of peoplehave no idea even exist.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely yeah.
Yeah, we're just not.
I was in academia for about 10years.
I'm still in academics but notacademia, and it's very
interesting how we pinholenurses in learning phases to
ultimately kind of bebrainwashed into one way of
thinking.
And that's what I saw a lot at.
I've worked at all levels, fromcommunity colleges to private
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schools, to tiny schools whereit's like five students in a
class, to Emory University whereit's like 200 students in a
lecture hall.
So it's the same message andall nursing schools, honestly,
are the same.
And so that's why we're kind ofpulling out Modern Nurse Fest
to show nurses and even studentnurses.
All nurses are invited.
And that's what I love.
It's community, because nursesare community, literally.
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Like if you ask somebody like,hey, do you know a nurse,
they're going to be like my momwas a nurse, yeah, sister's a
nurse.
My cousin brother is a nurse.
The neighbor that lives downthe street, she's a nurse.
My esthetician is also a nurse,Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what percent of the
population we make up, but it'sactually a super large one.
A lot of people like graduateand don't even use it, but
there's so many people that holda nursing, or have held at some
point a nursing license.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's like 6.8 million.
I just did a post about thenursing shortage and how we have
about 1.2 million vacancieskind of coming up, but we have
6.8 million nurses that hold alicense.
So is there a shortage?
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, there's a shortage of nurses that want to
work in the hospital.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I love this perspective too, because wow
that you've been in like allangles, because I, like you know
a lot of people talk about whatthey wish would be improved,
about nursing school.
Oh my gosh, there's so muchperspective you have to.
I could talk to you about amillion things, like the fact
that the NCLEX is about to ispossibly transitioning to people
being able to take it at home.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, that's.
That is so funny because therehas been so many great social
media posts on that from there'sthis one gentleman that I'm
thinking of and he's literallylike laying in his bed with his
laptop and he has two guys.
Well, it's himself, but twoguys.
One has the lab values and he'sholding up a sign.
He says lab values, and thenthe other one's like critical
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thinking and he's like all right, are you ready?
Are you ready?
He's like we're gonna take theNCLEX, and it's like it's so
funny because that it's like howare you ready?
He's like we're going to takethe NCLEX and it's like it's so
funny because that it's like howare you going to?
Even Right, right, I mean Iwatched so many students during
COVID take tests that my eyeballis like literally burned out of
my skull because it's beeneight hours on a computer just
(07:18):
being like yeah watchingstudents and you have to look at
their eyes.
I mean, there are so many thingsand I'm pretty sure some of
them probably did use resources.
But you know what, like innursing school, we should teach
a little bit of that resources,because we need to do that in
the hospital.
But the NCLEX, you should bereally using resources, right.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Coming from all that memorization that you've done
for the last four years twoyears, three years, whatever
it's been that's you having toregurgitate that right?
So, yeah, I mean I thinkthey're trying their best to
bring nurses in to make it morelike comforting or safe or
feeling supported.
I think they're really doingstarting to do a disservice to
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nursing in the field in general,from the NCLEX to the pay that
I've been seeing for like new AIstartups.
They're like asking nurses toget paid like $25 an hour from
people accepting a dollar towrite in a book.
I'm like, what are you guysdoing?
Like you are saying yes to lowwages and so that amplifies
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through the masses of the humancollective that it's okay to pay
nurses $25 an hour or to paythem a dollar to write a book,
like it's.
It's kind of fucked up to behonest, it is it is.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So what is your background?
Is academia?
I've heard a lot of peopletalking about honestly, and I
don't know how true it isbecause you know, I went to
nursing school like 12 years agoand took the NCLEX before it
changed several times, so I haveno idea.
But people say that thatnursing school is easier, that
the NCLEX is easier, and arecomplaining about the education
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of new nurses nowadays too,which I do not find, and I
personally work with new nursesone on one all the time and I do
not see any difference in theireducation level.
I actually see that what we puton them is much, much more than
was put on me going straightinto an ICU out of being a new
grad.
But I wonder what yourperspective is after working in
so many different settings.
Do you think it's changed?
(09:18):
Do you think people are askedto do less?
What do you think about this?
Is that real?
It's like such a made up thing,like it's like the nursing
shortage.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right.
Yeah, the curriculum in nursingschool like obviously hasn't
really changed too much.
I mean, they're like 10 yearsbehind.
So like, even if I wrote like anursing or a clinical book, it
takes like several years for getit approved and that shit's
already old school, like why?
So it's like nursing school isactually super behind and then
we're asking these nurses to gointo the ICU and handle like
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three to four patients.
It just makes me want to andit's like I think we're putting
way too much on them in a sense.
It's a lot of fluff work.
We're adding a lot of fluffwork, but we're also not
creating teamwork and we're nottaking into account that this
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generation is also bombardedwith so many things.
They're really overstimulated.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh for sure, their nervous systems are already like
, and then they walk into an ICU, which makes us so much worse.
Yeah, it's not funny at all, bythe way.
I'm just laughing because Ihave a sick sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that all nurses well, most
nurses probably have a prettymorbid like.
I mean, it just gets us throughthe day, you know.
For sure, for sure.
Yeah, I mean I think workingwith you know I've worked in
academia, academics, like allthrough my nursing career,
either PRN, part-time and thenfull-time these last couple of
years.
But you know, within that Iworked hospice, case management,
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home health, pediatricspecialties such as like autism
and the spectrum.
I worked with a doctor that didosteomanipulation with the
brain, which was really cool.
So, that being said, going backto the nursing, all the nurses
that I've worked with we allreceive the same education we
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really do Like.
When it comes down to it, it'slike what do you do with that
education and what do you go onto learn more of?
You know what I mean.
So I think it's not that wehave put more on or less.
I think nursing curriculum isstill just the same as it was,
like in 1980, unfortunately, youknow, they've added a couple
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like cool simulations andmannequins to make it like AI
and you know, but it's likenurses actually don't really
spend much of their time withthose mannequins.
They might get like a couplehours, but it's a huge feature
of nursing schools to bringnurses in to act like that.
This education is so modernizedbut it's really not, because
you have a lot of those peoplethat are stuck in academia, that
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have limited mindsets andthey're like this is the way
it's always been done, so that'show we're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's all upper health care that I see too.
It's like they revisit the samefour issues and not in any new
way either.
We talk about the same fourthings in the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm like yes like my head against the wall patient
ratio.
It's like what?
Why?
Like, let's do something aboutit instead, right?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
how about we try a new method?
Because what you've been doingfor years it's not working
whatever.
And even, and then why arepeople exiting and starting
their own businesses?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right, yeah, and it's funny because I it's really
funny that what you just saidbrought me back to when I worked
for traditional situations.
They've always found me somehowon the media side, right, and
they're like oh, emily, you needto come into the office, we
need to talk to you about yourpost I'm waiting for that day,
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by the way you know it's and andit always just came back to
like but you guys aren't fixingit.
So I'm trying to go out to theuniverse and figure out a way to
fix it and you guys don't likethat because this is the way
it's always been done and you'recomfortable people that are
comfortable.
Nothing's going to change and,honestly, that's.
(13:08):
We break down nurses in nursingschool.
I was in the Air Force for fouryears, went through basic
training and basic training tome is so similar to nursing
school and it shouldn't be thatway.
Like those are nurses that areabout to take care of people in
their most vulnerable moments.
You shouldn't be yelling andscreaming and telling them that
they're like, worthless and thatthey're not going to pass the
class.
Yes, here's my hand.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Let me guide you.
Yes, I mean I did notexperience that, I got lucky.
But I have seen that on thefloor with like nursing students
telling me how their preceptorsare, so like the person that's
watching them in the hospital Ithink that's called their
preceptor but I'm like thethings that they say to them.
I'm like, oh my gosh, bullyingis still so alive in some places
.
It's so sad that that's okay.
(13:51):
I know, so yeah, so hopefully,you know it's a wake-up call and
, as we were talking aboutbefore, like this generation,
yes, yes, right Before the show,we were talking about our hope,
all my, our hopefulness forthis next generation's ability
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to change it.
Cause they just take less shit,they have better boundaries.
I feel like they also stay init.
They speak up more.
I don't know.
What else do you see about itthat you're loving?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, yeah, I love you know that they speak up more
, like you were saying, and thatthey take no shit, but also
that they don't totally identifylike as a nurse per se, that
they're not, they're callinglike that whole manipulative,
okay.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
so tell me, okay this I want to make this transition.
Do you think what kind ofbecause manipulation, kind of
like setting up to be a martyras a nurse happens throughout
this like training?
Do you know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm getting at?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh, I totally do.
Yeah, I I had when I was anacademic.
I would buy the notes onnursing by Florence Nightingale
for all of the students in myclinical and they would read
that book and we would, we wouldread it together throughout
their like eight or 12 weeks andwe would notate and literally
at the end they're like oh myGod, florence Nightingale like
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literally sold her soul and sodid all the other nurses that
worked with her because theycouldn't have a family, they
couldn't date anybody.
They literally like lived, work, sweated, sleep, shitted,
nursing and it's like, but it'snot 1890 anymore right like yes.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I saw your was that your post about Tampa General
putting in housing.
Now somebody put that I waslike the reference.
I was like, oh my God.
But yes, I hear you.
I feel I also think there'ssomething about people who go
into nursing like or in thatstay like, because there's
plenty of people that don't stay, but the ones that say there's
something in our past that wasmaybe a little already broken
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that made this easy to tolerate,or something we seek out.
I say that all the time.
I'm like it's because I, likesome of the older nurses, have a
hard time dealing with whenthey, where I work anyway, some
of the younger nurses who arehaving emotional reactions to
coming into some of this awfulshit.
We see, I'm like that's normal.
They're supposed to react thatway.
There's something about us thatis broken that makes it so,
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made this so easy for us Like.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
that's my perspective anyway, but yeah, yeah,
absolutely yeah, I, you know, Isee that a lot and that's why I
created the field of somaticnursing.
It's we don't look so much atthe emotional, trauma-based
informed care like we should.
And it's like you said, a lotof time we all come in with
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diagnoses, labels, things fromour past, and going into these
situations, I like to call ittrauma stacking and a jenga
tower.
You only can get so high untilyou start pulling those pieces
out.
And those pieces are likeexperiences in the hospital
where you have four ICU patients, where you just had to take a
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dead baby down to the morgue,where you just had to tell a
patient that her husband's goingto pass right, like those types
of things we don't preparenurses for.
And so somatic nursingencompasses that.
Understanding our nervoussystem, understanding what we
can envision, understanding whatwe put in our bodies, brains,
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what we see, feel, hear, smell,all start to create experiences
within our body, and thoseexperiences then come up when we
experience harmful or traumaticexperiences.
So we're just like stacking aJenga tower and then that Jenga
tower eventually it's calledburnout when it falls down.
And then that's when you'relike, oh shit, my pieces are
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everywhere and either you gocheck into a mental health
hospital, or you go work in aflorist for a little bit, or you
take a three month break, right, those are the things, you know
, that happen with nurses andit's a cycle, like we.
We see it all the time.
We see that cycle all the timeand it's like when is it going
to end?
And, like you said, we see thesenurses that have been in
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nursing for a really long time,like beyond 20 years that become
numb and almost desensitized.
And you have these new nursescoming in that are like just had
a code and lost a patient andthey're literally like need to
go home.
But then you have these oldernurses that are like suck it up,
buttercup, like get back on thefloor, why are you fucking
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crying?
It's like, oh my God, sheshould be crying, that's normal,
like a patient just died infront of you and that it's the.
It's also the generation.
Right now, like my kids age the15, the teens they're getting
super desensitized.
I mean to the point where kidsare recording kids dying.
I mean it's really likedisheartening and it makes my
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heart hurt for that generationand for our new nurses coming in
, because it's like in betweenthe millennials.
We're like here feeling all thefeels and we're crying and shit
, and then these new nurses arelike all right, cool patient
just died, peace, like.
It's like what is happening?
It's just like a really weird,like whole 180, I don't know,
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have you?
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean there's it's all over the board.
I feel like there's, I feellike it's actually like the new
nurses coming in, it's one orthe other, and then they have
issues communicating and theydon't.
They are totallymisunderstanding each other,
which is all another issue thatI'm like.
One has a strong personalityand one has a softer side and
they both are offending eachother and I I'm like you guys
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just don't understand how eachother communicate at all.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Just hug it out, right exactly hug it out, people
.
They're probably both fightingfor the same thing.
Oh, they are they are.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They just don't know how to communicate it.
They're like so, so it'swhatever it's, it's humans and
communication in general likethis.
That pattern will never go away.
But, um, so is that's what isthis kind of?
I love this topic, but becauseit leads me into kind of like
your heartbeat, rn membershipthat's a support group for
nurses, correct?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So our heartbeat RN communityis free for all nurses and it's
just like our fest includes CNAs, stnas, nurses aides, all
nurses and it's kind of a hub.
So we have entrepreneur stuffin there, we have nervous system
regulation, we have tons ofnurse coaches in there that have
awesome services.
We have podcast drops, likefrom other nurses that are on
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podcasts to share theirexperiences.
So it's kind of like a shoppingmall of awesome things that
nurses are doing and it justallows you to be with other
nurses that are doing thingsthat you want to do, because
obviously, when we ask peoplethat aren't doing things that we
want to do and we try to getthat validation of our idea,
dreams or hopes or visions,they're going to be like oh
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that's stupid, you're crazy.
Oh yeah, what are you talkingabout?
You don't have a doctorate,whatever, the whatever.
So yeah.
So the Heartbeat RN is literallyjust a cool area, space for
nurses to thrive and just learnall the things.
Like I have passive andaffiliate income stuff in there.
We have monthly meetings,coaching sessions and we also
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have the Sober Shift communityin there, which is an
accountability group put on byNurse Fully, which is a nurse
therapy kind of place wherenurses can get therapy, because
the people that are giving themtherapy like know what they're
going through, which is supercool, and so actually they're
one of our sponsors for ModernNurse Fest.
So we have a couple othercommunities in there that nurses
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can also get involved in toeither, like, come off of
alcohol or change their habits.
Like that's really what sobershift RN is about, because we're
just a bunch of habits walkingaround.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So yeah, yeah, and traditionally nurses are some of
the most unhealthy.
We have like really maladaptivecoping, like ways of coping
with all the stress we deal with, which I think is changing.
Honestly, I think that isshifting In general.
I think that's shifting whichis really really exciting.
You touched on so many goodpoints there that I that I like
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really want to talk about that.
I love.
But what we've talked we'vetouched on like dance around and
burnout a ton.
But so before I ask you anyother questions, I guess what
are, what are your thoughtsabout burnout and what?
What nurses need right now oradvice you'd give people before
we move past this, because Ifeel like a lot of things we've
touched on.
We're just like this is a hugeissue for so many people right
now and people are afraid toleave the hospital.
You've got this great nursefest going on with all these new
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modern possibilities.
What do you want to tell allthese burnout nurses who might
be listening?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, dear burnout nurses, this is my love letter
to you.
Oh, I love it Is to grow a setof balls and to really just take
a moment to be with yourself,like without any distractions,
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and just sit there and askyourself what do I want?
What do I want Not, what doesmy husband, my partner, the
hospital, my professor, my dad,my mom, whoever is asking all
these things of you what do Iwant, like, what do I want to be
, what do I want to do?
And it's all possible.
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That is my love letter to you.
That is all possible because youhave to find people that are
doing what you're already doing,what you want to do, what
they're.
Find people that are doing whatyou want to do, and be with
those people and ask themquestions and try to figure out,
like, all the ways that they'redoing.
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The thing is just an example ofthat.
Like, you can do that too, butyou have to absolutely, like
100%, believe that you can dothat, because the hospital's
gonna try to be like oh my gosh,we have a dollar raise for you,
you should stay.
Oh my gosh, we just increasedthe amount of pizza parties to
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five this month.
So you should stay right.
So there's gonna always bepeople like pulling you and
being like no, we want you, wewant you, we want you, but like,
what do you want for yourself?
And I think nurses, like wetalked about, it's that
martyrdom, that servant, it'snot a servant leader, it's a
servant, it's a slave to.
The trade letter to you is totap into yourself and we kind of
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talked about that before.
That.
We're all coming back to this,asking yourself, like, what do I
want to do?
And that's ultimately likegoing to lead you into what you
want to do.
So that's my love letter and myhope for you.
And if you are going and headinginto burnout so like you're
gaining weight, you're smoking,you're drinking unconsciously,
you're doing things that you'resmoking, you're drinking
unconsciously, you're doingthings that you typically
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wouldn't be doing if you were ina joyful state those are all
signs of burnout.
Like, even before you hitburnout, like you drinking a lot
, or you taking a lot of Xanax,or whatever your, whatever your
ill, for your pill and the pillfor the ill, whatever your
numbing activity is, whatever itis like, that is your burnout
sign.
Like it it doesn't.
Like it takes those happeningover and over and then all of a
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sudden you're like, oh shit, I'mhaving a crisis.
But it's like all along thosethings were happening.
You just weren't aware becauseyou were in like this stress
state.
And when we're in a stress state, we're in a masculine state and
so for all the burned outnurses out there that are
looking and trying to figure itout, tap into yourself, ask
yourself, what do I want?
(25:14):
And then notice, are youconstantly like hustling and
bustling and rushing?
When our nervous system's inthat state, we can expand, all
we can do is implode and that'swhen that anxiety and depression
comes in.
So expand, notice what's outthere.
Go to Modern Nurse Fest, joinHeartbeat RN, like come and see
(25:35):
where all the joyful nurses areat that are doing things that we
love, because everything's achoice and for so long I was not
choosing that choice to get outof that spot, and it was a
really hard choice to be like,fuck it, I'm leaving it, and it
doesn't make me less of a nursebecause I'm not putting in IDs
anymore or shoving tubes insomebody's butt, whatever, which
(25:57):
is a huge obstacle, I think,for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They feel like they're not nursing, if they're
not doing these physical skillsanymore, which is so sad because
it's honestly, you can supportnursing in so many, you can
support people in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, and that's you know, and I think that's what
the the public sees us as, asthese skill goers, like these
skill doers.
And it's like I haven't put anIV in for 10 years now and I
don't, I'm good, like I don'twake up and be like, oh man, I'm
so sad that I haven't put an IVin today, like that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like I have gloves in my kitchen and I put them on to
cook chicken and I'm like, ohmy God, I am a nurse.
It's like I'm using a nursingskill and I take them off and I
bundle them in a little bowl andI throw them in the trash and
I'm like, thank God, I have thatnursing skill, it's things like
that.
That.
It's like why, why do you have?
Because it's such a main partof nursing school is skill,
(26:58):
skill, skill skills.
And it's like that's all youreally do is like skills check
off, skills check off.
And then it's like we get intonursing and that's not really
how nursing is.
It's not like you don't go intoa patient's room and put an IV
in Well, I mean, they do getcustomer service surveys but you
don't go in and be like hey, mrSmith, just want to get some
(27:19):
feedback about my IV insertiontoday on you.
Can you go ahead and rank theIV insertion on a scale of zero
to 10, 10 being the best zero.
Please give me a good rating,because I know that was a good
stick.
Like that doesn't fuckinghappen.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, and why would it Right that's so silly?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Funny I know.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I love it.
I love it.
I love that you also touchedabout like telling people nurses
to find their people, who arealso in that mindset, because I
think that is super difficult aswell, especially if you want to
leave bedside, like you have tofind their people who are also
in that mindset, because I thinkthat is super difficult as well
, especially if you want toleave bedside like you have to
find.
Like.
For me, one of the reasons Ikeep doing this podcast is
because I'm talking to otherwomen who are entrepreneurs and
(27:59):
in my life there just aren't alot of people that are doing
that.
So I have to find a way toconnect with women doing that,
to share that mindset, becausepeople around me look at me like
I'm crazy, like I've lost mymind for doing this.
So I have to connect withpeople who don't think I'm crazy
or like, yeah, I get whatyou're doing and I think that's
a big piece of too.
Everyone around you, if you'retrying to leave or thinking
(28:20):
about leaving, if they'reshutting you down, they're
probably they're jealous, can'timagine themselves doing it,
afraid for you know, like.
So you have to find people thatare already doing it.
You find people that supportyou and get it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Yeah, I've been.
I've had a lot of greatbusiness mentors and coaches.
You know, I dropped out ofdoctoral school at Vandy.
I was going for my doctorate innursing, education and
leadership and I made a sale oflike $555 while I was in class
and I was like, oh, dropping out, dropping out, dropping out
(28:52):
right now, because that programwas going to cost like 100 grand
, so it would have been like 300grand and I mean it was just
going to be crazy, you know, andI wouldn't have got that pay.
Working in a traditional setting, especially with a doctor of
education, it's not reallyhighly respected in academia,
unfortunately.
Like, if you really want to goclimb the ladder, go get a PhD,
(29:13):
because they love that shit.
They're like you're a PhD, yeah, come on in, right.
But if you have like a DNP,they're like, yeah, come on in,
you can teach, like the clinicalpart.
But if you have an EDD, they'rejust like what the hell is that
?
And it's like what?
It's a doctor of education.
Like y'all need to be bringingthose people in, because that's
who changes the curriculum, notthe PhDs, that's research-based
DNPs.
(29:34):
Yes, they do have awesomethings that they can bring to
the curriculum and the educationpiece.
So, yeah, it's.
It's crazy to you know you'rethe top five people that you
hang out with.
And so when I learned that Istarted to look at the top
people that I was hanging outwith and they were, you know,
smoking and drinking a lot, theywere really hard on themselves
and they talked very negativelyabout themselves.
(29:55):
They weren't making any morethan a hundred grand a year.
They drove like cars that wouldjust always crumble on them,
always break down on them.
I mean they just didn't respecttheir spaces.
You know, it's just like thesethings that we have to look at
about the people that we hangout with, that the things we
listen to, the things we watchon TV, social media, all imprint
(30:19):
in our body, in our being, andthat is a mirror image of who
you are.
Right, like you look at gangsthat you know people go into
gangs because they feel acceptedand heard and seen.
But that's a very low frequency, right, they're doing really
horrible things.
But you can also get intocommunities that are really high
(30:42):
frequency, that areentrepreneurs or people that are
doing and making millions ofdollars or hundreds of thousands
and are happy and living moreof a slower life because
millionaires don't work a job.
They just don't.
It's not.
Yeah, you know that they taketheir money and that's something
we don't learn in school isthey take their money and they
invest it and they let theirmoney grow for them, let their
(31:03):
money work for them, yeah, yeah,and that's so beautiful, like
when women can actually stepinto more of like a chill flow.
That's when you see women likeglowing and shining and like
really just emulating like joyand happiness.
Not that we don't have likesadness and grief and shame,
(31:24):
obviously we're human.
But if we can step more intothat joyful, like higher
frequency state, more of thatshit will come in, right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, so how do people do that?
How do they make that shift?
How do these nurses listeningwith like what's possible?
How do they do that?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah, it starts with a thought and it starts
with understanding your thoughtsand your habits throughout the
day.
So, like, just take maybe thisyou know day to day, or this
week, or whatever you're goinginto, and, either on your phone
or on like a little notebook,get yourself something and every
time you notice it's going tobe a very keen awareness.
(31:59):
You notice talking bad aboutyourself or you're doing a habit
that might not lead to joy,happiness or fulfillment.
Write it down and write downwhat you can do instead.
Even if you don't do it instead, maybe you're like man, I just
want to go, I'm just going to goout with my friends and drink
because I'm really stressedright now.
Take a moment and be like okay,but why am I doing that?
(32:23):
Am I doing it because I need tonumb?
Am I doing it because I need topush off something that I
really do need to let processand flow?
Am I doing it because I need tonumb?
Am I doing it because I need topush off something that I
really do need to let processand flow?
Maybe I just need a good cry,right?
So it's learning about ourhabits and our behaviors and our
mindset and that starts tocreate those new neural pathways
.
So maybe I tell myself like I'mnot a good nurse, or I'm not a
(32:44):
good mom, or I'm ugly, or youknow, like, why do you keep
doing these things?
When I say those things tomyself which I don't really say
those things anymore I noticeand I'm like okay, in this
moment I am saying I'm ugly.
Why Is it because I'm jealousof somebody that I just saw
who's very beautiful?
Is it because I'm insecureabout how I look towards myself
(33:09):
in the mirror?
Right?
So it's a lot of introspectionand that comes from being in a
non-stress state.
You know, when we're at a12-hour shift, those things that
we say to ourself in our mindit goes so fast during that 12
hours so you might say like, oh,I shouldn't have done that with
(33:30):
that patient, or why did I dothat?
Like it's the wise and thewould have and the should have
and the could have right.
So catch yourself doing thosethings and flip the script.
So, instead of being like I'mugly, find things that are
beautiful about you.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Maybe stop the shame.
It doesn't get you anywhere.
So I still prevalent and newnurses to like.
I work with new nurses like aone on one all the time and they
are so guilty and so shameful.
Even when they know it's nottheir fault, it's like the
biggest thing.
I'm always like let it go, likeit's not about you.
You got to find a way to shakethat nurse guilt because it's
(34:04):
not like it's not serving youanywhere.
I love that you're saying thatsuch it's really powerful to be
able to shift out of thatbecause then you clear up so
much space for yourself, becauseyou spend so much energy
dogging on yourself.
It really drags you down whenyour internal dialogue is like
that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and I even catch my
friends, you know, when they'relike oh, I'm, I'm such an idiot
and I'm like what, Don't eversay that again.
Like what, don't ever say that.
Like why is that your defaultthat you go to?
Because you're just claimingyou're an idiot, so an idiot,
you shall become my friend.
Yeah, what it is Like whenyou're like I'm dumb, I'm stupid
(34:43):
, that you shall be, and so itis like that's the universe,
god's source hears us.
Like we are bigger than thisbody, we are spirit souls, like
they're just in this, like fleshsuit, like walking around, we
can change our identity anytime,like this is a simulation, but
this isn't even real right now.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah Well perception is reality, right.
So if you can shift yourperception, you shift your
reality.
I just read your article.
I just so funny because Iobviously because I knew you
were coming on I've been likefocusing more on your feed and
stuff and I one of your articlessparked a really fun.
I have a really good like bestfriend who, like, keeps me
mentally on the level.
We talk all the time about likejust all kinds of conceptual
(35:24):
stuff.
But we were talking about yourarticle, about what you're like
I'm going to stop sharing mytrauma with people and you're
just talking about thedifference between, like where
that line is, between ventingand when it becomes like a
negative mindset.
You keep yourself like causeher, you know her and I have had
that conversation with eachother back and forth before over
the years over whether whatwe're saying is this are we at a
(35:45):
positive place where we'redoing this?
Are we taking this in anegative place?
Should we be talking about like, where does this line cross
into gossiping and to justexpressing yourself?
And so he brought up a lot ofreally fun conversation for us.
I thought it was such aninteresting conversation because
nurses do do that.
We trauma bond all the time itbrings us closer together.
It does have some helpfulbenefits for bonding, but it's
(36:06):
interesting because really, whenwe're talking about perception
as reality, it's so true.
So if we're constantly claimingtrauma bonding, then we're
staying in that state, so veryinteresting.
What are your thoughts on allthis?
I love that article, by the way, just sparked so much.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you know, I I have.
I've had a lot of awesomemental health diagnoses in my
life and really it's all comedown to like what state do you
want to be in?
And when I had a boss asstherapist, tell me, emily, like
you get to choose your reality.
(36:43):
And I was like, oh shit, areyou serious right now?
Like what a power that is.
Understand that I get to choose,like right now, like how I get
to show up, so like in thisconversation, like right now I
could be like, oh my God, I'vehad a really horrible life.
I've suffered from chronicdepression, anxiety.
I've been diagnosed withborderline personality disorder.
(37:04):
Like I can go down and sad andbleh, but what does that do?
It just intensifies like allthe symptomology that all those
diagnoses amplify.
So, like me talking about thosediagnosis and what I know for
myself, when I talk about thosethings that have happened in my
past and all the trauma orwhatever, I go back and I crawl
(37:25):
back into that hole with thattrauma and I'm like, hey, trauma
, how's it going?
Let's hang, we're besties.
And it gets me really sad anddepressed and I totally turned
back into that person.
I was back when I wasexperiencing all of that shit.
So when I talk about it itdoesn't make me feel good.
So I'm like, why do I keeptalking about it?
(37:47):
Because it trauma bonds.
But I want to break that,because we got to stop trauma
bonding.
We can be like, yes, we arehere to take care of people and
we can connect in that sensethat we're trying to get the
human conscious.
Higher, the collectivefrequency higher, but taking it
down.
Hospitals are already a lowfrequency, with all the EM
(38:07):
frequency higher, but taking itdown.
Hospitals are already a lowfrequency, with all the EMFs
electric.
Holy crap, all the sounds thatare coming.
Oh God, yeah, I mean that's not.
It's not a healing place, likeduh, and then nurses are in that
for a lot of their hours oftheir life and so it just pulls
them in.
It's like it's like a vortex ofreally gross energy, honestly.
(38:27):
And so when we are able to findjoy and happiness and like see
the colorfulness of life ratherthan like this gray area, then
it changes our whole perspectiveand I'm like, yes, I've had
trauma, but I no longer want tofocus on that.
I want to change the perceptionand perspective of how you can
(38:50):
live a better life, because, tome, living in that state only
perpetuated, like me having moresuicidal ideations, me wanting
to end my life a lot more thanliving in this state that I'm
currently in, where I'm a littlebit more delusional and like
this isn't my reality and thereality I live inusional, and
like this isn't my reality andthe reality I live in is the
visions that I have in my headand what I want for myself and
(39:13):
those things are happening, likemodern nurse fest was, yeah,
and hot yoga, like I was.
Like what is modern nurse?
I don't even know what this is,but okay, you know what I mean.
So it's, you know, more thingscome to you when you're in that
higher frequency state.
So, yeah, I mean we can talkabout that all day.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But yeah, I loved it, though.
It was such a great thoughtthough, because it's a really
common thing nurses do.
I mean, I find myself my thingis talking about health care
being broken.
You know, like I have to shiftmyself away from that because,
like, what's it going to do?
Who's going to fix it?
Like there's alternative things, there's no point in dwelling,
like whatever.
So I love that, but I feel Icould feel that, like when you
say, like the low frequency,when you talk about it, you just
(39:51):
feel stuck in it, you're notgoing anywhere, like it's not
helpful.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, and it's, it's, yeah, it's not helpful.
You know, I even think when youbecome more joyful and you're
not constantly being like I'msick and I'm unwell, then the
people in your life that areused to that version of you
(40:17):
won't get the new version of you, because they're so used to you
complaining and being likeyou're so sick and they're
validating your illness andbeing like oh, it's okay, you're
depressed again, it's okay.
And that's why we haverepetitive patients, because
patients in their sick mode,they're getting attention from a
doctor, from a nurse, from amedical assistant in the
(40:38):
facility that they're going toand they're like oh my God, I
love my doctor, my doctor is soamazing because it's a
codependent now relationshipWe've created oh my gosh, like
the chronic illness likeCodependent, which is a whole
thing?
Yeah, so it's, and I saw thatwith my my co-parents mom.
Unfortunately she died ofkidney cancer and at the end
(40:59):
stages of her life.
I was taking her a lot of herdoctor's appointments and she
loved it.
She like loved going to thedoctor because they paid
attention to her, you know, andit was paid attention to her
illness not her per se, but toher illness and her illness is
what she identified with.
So it's like what do youidentify with?
And what you identify with willonly amplify who you are.
(41:23):
So like, if I like myborderline personality disorder
diagnosis, I could totally livein that and I could make really
bad, impulsive decisions.
I could really live a reallyrisky life, like I've done in
the past, but that doesn't helpme get to where I want to go.
That only just communicatesthat I'm going to be in that
(41:46):
diagnosis and that's my identitynow, just like nurses identify
as a nurse and they can't beanything else, it's like why do
we?
I'm a mom.
I'm going to just identify as astay-at-home mom and that's all
I'm going to do.
I'm going to identify as ateacher, and that's all.
It's like.
Stop identifying and just likebe you like.
Why do you have all these?
It's like makes me feel icky.
(42:07):
It's like get rid of the labels.
People like you are you like.
Yeah, took away all that shit.
Who would you?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
be right, and the most powerful people are.
The most successful people, orat least the ones that I'm drawn
to, are people that find a wayto combine all the like.
You know what I mean to likefind a way to merge all the
things that they are into one.
You know like I mean To likefind a way to merge all the
things that they are into one.
You know like maybe they were anurse and then, like you know
whatever else they did in theirlife.
Like one girl I know she's likereally into skateboarding and
(42:36):
now she's like a nursing coachand she part of her thing is
she's like skateboarder.
Yeah, you know Micah, yeah, Iwas like, but she's like all her
things and that's what makesher awesome and I feel like that
, like you too, you like, youare you and that's what makes
you shine and so like, yeah, Ilove that.
That's like the other end of it, right, the magical part of
(42:57):
like letting that shit go andjust being you Beautiful.
So who do you look up to?
Who are like your?
Who inspires you?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, so, yeah, I have a lot of a think.
Probably the last five yearsI've really been stepping into
like a millionaire mindset andgetting mentors and people
surrounding me that are alreadydoing that.
And so, like Alex and LilaHormozy, who owns school and
acquisition, like those twopowerhouse, like they really
(43:24):
inspire me and I follow a lot oftheir messaging and it's been
very, very good in my businessto take their messaging and use
it because it's like they'realready successful.
So it's like, yeah, tastepeople that are successful.
Kathleen Cameron she was anurse out of Canada highly
suggest all nurses listen to her.
She's a manifestation coach.
(43:45):
She's I think she's at 38million right now, which is mind
blowing all from her membershipcommunity.
People really master the giftof vision, manifestation, dream
work and and she's done it.
So it's it's really inspiring.
So I've been coached by her fora while and, like Dr Joe
(44:10):
Dispenza is somebody that Ireally look up to.
Tony Robbins, like these, thesepeople that are so living in
their authentic self, is who Igravitate to.
You know, people that aren'twearing masks, aren't fake,
they're like in it, in it to winit, and they're like so
embodying, like who they are,and they're unapologetically
like just being them, and Ithink that's so beautiful when
(44:34):
you can be like not sorry aboutsomething, like you, just like
I'm here, bitches, like you cantake it or not, like right, like
, and that's how I walk intoevery room, like if you're hated
, like that just means you'relike on the right path, really
like to be honest.
And that's how I walk into everyroom, like if you're hated,
like that just means you're likeon the right path, really like
to be honest.
And that's when I knew that Ineeded to get out of Emory.
When I started getting a lot ofhate, like I was like, oh my
(44:56):
God, I'm really doing somethingand it's stirring people and
it's like creating likequestions in their own mind and
they hate that because it makesthem feel uncomfortable and I
love getting peopleuncomfortable.
So I think those people likeAlex Hermosi, lila Kathleen
Cameron, like they make peopleuncomfortable because they are
in their true, authentic self.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, and you always will, I feel like when you're
because that you know it justtriggers something in people
they're not ready to deal withand that's not your problem,
that's theirs.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, I just hope that I can like push them to
take that leap or that step intounderstanding like you are,
your, your reality, like it'sjust mirrored back to you, right
?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So I just the quote that I've been like really,
really into this month it'sfunny is like authenticity.
What is it?
It says authenticity,no-transcript, don't have to put
(46:17):
, they don't have to be ready,you know.
So I love that.
Yeah, don't ask how.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
just just let it come in Like it's, and it's hard for
women to surrender.
You know, I've thrown a lot ofbirthday parties for my kids and
I remember like rushing aroundand being like, oh my God, I
have to have these napkins.
But in the end game nobody evenknows that those napkins were a
thing.
So it's like you know what.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I mean, oh my God, yes, yes, I do know, nobody
cares about the fucking napkins,emily Right.
You spent 20 minutes in thestore trying to figure out which
one would be the best.
Nobody 20 minutes in the storetrying to figure out which one
would be the best and nobodyeven noticed, nobody even knows
and nobody even knows that youlike it's.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's so funny, like what we get so wrapped up in
that we need to make perfect orthat we need and, and really I
always say just like, as long asit's like 60, good, push it out
there.
It doesn't have to.
Nobody knows that it's not 100%.
Yeah, 60% is probably 110%.
To somebody seeing it, they'reprobably like, damn, that's good
(47:18):
, that is right there.
And you're like it was 60% thatI put out.
But perception.
Perception is the key and youknow, I can put out a really
shitty post and it might goviral, who knows, just put it
out there, even if it's at 60%.
Like, just put it out there andsee what happens and just
(47:39):
surrender, like you have to putit out there and just walk away
from it.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, well, you get feedback on it regardless, right
?
So you learn whether it'ssuccessful or not, it's a
learning experience, so I lovethat.
So what's your go to like selfcare, self nurture, when things
get rough for you?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, there is man.
I use so many skills.
I did outpatient therapy fordialectical behavior therapy for
about two years, where we metthree hours a week for two years
.
It was like a part time job andwhat I learned was, when I'm in
moments of fragility andvulnerability is I just ask
(48:17):
myself, what do I need?
And sometimes that questionmight answer like I need to go
smoke a giant fat joint.
But then I have to ask myself,emily, is that unconscious or
conscious?
So I take it a step further.
Conscious or conscious?
So I take it a step further.
Like and if it's, if I'm like,yeah, actually I'm just trying
(48:44):
to push off something, I'll godo movement instead.
I'll like put a song on.
Like, I have a couple of songson right now.
I have like repetitive songswhere I just I play them like
all day long, like continuouslyon repeat, and it like gets me
in the dancing mode.
Sound is so powerful, sopowerful right, like, yes, I'm
like I can like hear it rightnow.
Like when I did, we do, I waslike you know, we're like
already it's, you know it's.
(49:06):
It gets you out of that emotionand it brings you back to the
present, because that thatmoment where you're feeling like
out of sorts.
It's only a 60 to 90 secondemotion.
It's the choice to stay in thatemotion.
So, like if I'm feeling anxiousabout maybe speaking on stage,
I'll ask myself is this anxietyor is this excitement?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
yeah, because it's the same.
It's the right.
Your body's responding the sameway.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's perception.
So I'm like I'm going to choosethat.
I'm a badass speaker and I amso excited to go speak on stage
right now.
Am I still nervous?
Sure, I might feel like I needto shit my pants, or my heart's
racing out of my chest.
Those are all normal things.
But if I'm stepping into itrather than I'm nervous, and I'm
(49:58):
stepping into it rather thanI'm nervous and I'm stepping
into it with excitement, it'sgonna go a lot easier.
It's gonna be a lot more funthan being like, oh my god, I'm
so nervous, I'm gonna shootmyself on stage, like that.
You know it's.
It's a choice and it's aperception of the current moment
.
And so, yeah, my go-to is amovement, music, breathing.
I just notice myself throughoutthe day too, especially if I'm
(50:18):
getting like frustrated with mykids.
They're teens, they're great,but there's moments where the
communication's not working andI'm just getting so frustrated I
have to be like okay, noticeyour breath, because your breath
is gonna actually be veryerratic and short and shallow
when you're in those frustratedmoments.
So I'm like yeah let it go.
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They're teens, you're an adult,just let it fucking go.
Now, not that I don't blow mytop, because I used to be a
yeller and very an angry person,but I still those.
That angry person stillsometimes pops out and I do yell
every now and then, but it'slike I have to.
I have more of an awareness andI reel back in and I then
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apologize to my kids, like hey,I was having a moment, had
nothing to do with you, it wasmy own internal circumstances
that I was pushing out onto youand I'm sorry for that, right.
So it's like I wouldn't havesaid that like 10 years ago to
my kids.
I'd have been like, why are youcrying?
Go sit, you know like it's likeit's a whole change, a whole
shift.
I mean, I'm not that sameperson I was.
(51:23):
So it's a really cool way tobring those modalities music,
movement, vision, smell, likeall the senses really bring us
back to the present moment.
So, yeah, tapping into thosesenses, powerful, powerful
advice.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I love that and I think there's like this
perception that when you startto like heal all that stuff,
that like, you reach this placewhere you're like, oh, life is
thin and it's just not true.
It's like you still face thesame battles forever.
It's like a new, a new way ofdealing with them, a new way of
looking at them, or maybe likethe feeling changes a little bit
, but we never, like reallynobody ever gets to a place
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where they're like like that andeverything's perfect and if
someone's telling you thatthey're lying to you, they're
still lying.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it's hard and it's hard transitioning
like a new identity.
Identity or into a new personaor who you want to be Like.
You're going to have to shedand there's going to be a lot of
ugly crying.
There's going to be a lot oflike can I do this?
Should I do this?
There's going to be people thatare like you're not the same
person that you were.
Well, no shit, and that's agood thing.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Because it's not serving them anymore too.
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah thing, because it's not serving them anymore
too.
That's their yeah.
Yeah, it's not yeah, becausepeople, you know, really only
see us for what?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
we what we?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
can get in our role absolutely, and so if you change
that role to from caregiver toempower, they're gonna be like
you're not, we're not on acodependent relationship anymore
and it's's like yeah, sorry, Ihad to cut you off, I had to cut
myself off, right.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
So yeah, that's such a powerful shift too, because
those people, sometimes youdon't even know the energy they
are sucking from you, and notall the time, because good
people will realize that andthey'll shift accordingly when
they see it's you doingsomething positive for you.
But if they don don't, that'ssuch a good indicator that that
person may be like an energysucker in your life yeah,
(53:17):
absolutely yeah, so good, I lovethat.
Well, okay, so before we gowhere, if people are listening,
because I know some not a lot ofpeople don't watch these, but
where could they find?
Go and find, like, moreinformation about, like, modern
nurse fest, which is so cool, orbecause, cause, especially
since you guys are gonna bedoing this tour too, or
Heartbeat RM, where can theyfind those free resources and
(53:41):
how to learn more about ModernNurse Fest?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, right on, so yeah.
So if you just Google ModernNurse Fest, it will come up it's
modernnursefestorg.
But really it falls under ourassociation that we've created
for all nurses, not for justspecialties or whatever the crap
.
We are like breaking it downfor all nurses.
So Nurses for NursesAssociation.
So nursesfornursesorg isliterally where you can find
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Modern Nurse Fest, where you canfind Heartbeat, where you can
find the School of ModernNursing, which has all these
like courses in there.
Yeah, modern nursing, which hasall these like courses in there
.
Yeah.
So I would check nurses fornurses dot org and then you can
find all of the goodness that weare offering for nurses.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yes, do you want to leave us with anything before we
go?
I?
Speaker 2 (54:26):
would just say, like, just just love yourself a
little bit more.
Like today, just find a way tolove yourself a little bit more
than maybe you've been doing.
And that might just be liketelling yourself that you love
yourself and that's really hardfor a lot of us to do.
But take a moment today and Iwant you to like look in the
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mirror and just be like I loveyou, and you can even say your
name and just be like I love you.
And it might be really hard todo at first, like you might not
be able to look at yourself, butjust try it.
And if you're having a hardtime looking at yourself, it
just means that you need toreally love yourself a lot more
and just honor and trustyourself, because you have all
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the answers you really do.
So I just like to leaveeverybody with that Like you
have all the answers you reallydo.
So I just like to leaveeverybody with that, Like you
have all the answers.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
You just have to ask yourself what do you want?
Oh, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I love that.
Thank you.
Hello and welcome back to Empowered Ease, where
each week, we highlight aremarkable woman who is changing
their field with poise andpurpose.
I'm Jen Olinger, and today myguest is Emily Knife, a
visionary leader in nursing,innovation and community
building.
Emily is the founder anddriving force behind Modern
(00:25):
Nurse Fest, an immersive eventseries with hubs across all 50
states and internationalgatherings in Europe, asia and
beyond.
Through these events, she helpsnurses earn continuing
education credits, buildmeaningful professional
relationships, network andaccess a curated marketplace of
premium scrubs, essential gearand workflow enhancing tools.
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She also has created HeartbeatRN, a membership platform that
supports nurses through mentalhealth resources, resilience
training and entrepreneurshipand financial empowerment
courses, all designed to combatburnout and create sustainable
careers.
She's a sought-after speakerand the host of the Modern Nurse
(01:09):
podcast.
Emily travels the globeinspiring nurses to expand their
impact and build passive incomestreams.
Today, she's here to sharepractical strategies for
protecting well-being, scalingyour career and turning purpose
into profit, and, as well, tocelebrate the upcoming Modern
Nurse Fest.
So let's dig in.
(01:31):
Welcome, emily.
I'm so excited you're here.
We were gabbing so much beforeI hit record.
It was like, well, I better gofor this.
So how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Welcome.
Yeah, thank you for having me.
I'm so stoked to be here and,just yeah, feeling the energy of
today.
It's so good.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, yes, I'm so excited to have you.
I'm excited to talk about allthe things that you're involved
in.
So I think the most excitingthing coming up really soon this
month is your Modern Nurse Fest.
So tell me a little bit aboutthat, and I see that it's going
to be touring and just all theexciting things about that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Modern Nurse Fest isliterally a festival celebration
of nurses, for nurses withinthe community.
So we're bringing the communityin to show them all the cool
things that nurses do, because alot of the community just
relies on nurses being in thehospital and going to the
hospital and seeing nurses inthe hospital setting or maybe in
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the primary care outpatientsetting.
But truly we don't really seenurses that are doing these
beautiful businesses and makingreally good money doing things
outside of traditional nursing.
So we wanted to highlight thatand there's not really any other
conference that is currentlydoing that for all nurses,
including CNAs and STNAs andnurses like.
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We want them to come in becausethat's how we keep retention
but we also grow the nursingfield right.
We get those CNAs, the STNAs,we get those nurses' aides up
into the ranks because they knowwhat it's like and a lot of
them want to be nurses.
So we are so excited to holdthis in Anchorage, Alaska.
September 24th is our VIP dinnerand 25th and 26th is our actual
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workshops.
We have food trucks, we havethe police coming with a car so
many cool things, because it'salso the community, so the
community is going to be able towalk through the vendor
exhibitor areas while the nursesare able to obtain about 20 CEs
.
In our workshop areas we have,like a meditation area, yoga,
wellness.
We're also going to be talkingabout psychedelics, cannabis,
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entrepreneurship, things thatnurses typically are kind of
tabooed for talking about oreven shut down and talking and
discussing about.
So we really wanted to createthis beautiful, safe and
supported space that nurses cancome and just learn and not feel
like they're going to getrepercussions for just talking
about a plant.
Yeah, so we're excited to bringthis to Anchorage, Alaska, and
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then we'll be traveling in thelower 48 is what the Alaskans
call it.
We'll be traveling to Florida,Texas, New England and
California in 2026.
And then 2027, we have fourstates picked out, but we're
kind of rallying to see who'sgoing to win for the states and
then we'll be in London oreither Sydney, Australia.
So we're super excited to justblow this out of the water and
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just get the whole world ofnurses like together and in
community.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh, how exciting.
So I didn't realize it was opento like the general community
as well and it sounds like it'skind of highlighting a lot of
the non-traditional nursingroutes that are growing nowadays
that I think a lot of peoplehave no idea even exist.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely yeah.
Yeah, we're just not.
I was in academia for about 10years.
I'm still in academics but notacademia, and it's very
interesting how we pinholenurses in learning phases to
ultimately kind of bebrainwashed into one way of
thinking.
And that's what I saw a lot at.
I've worked at all levels, fromcommunity colleges to private
(05:03):
schools, to tiny schools whereit's like five students in a
class, to Emory University whereit's like 200 students in a
lecture hall.
So it's the same message andall nursing schools, honestly,
are the same.
And so that's why we're kind ofpulling out Modern Nurse Fest
to show nurses and even studentnurses.
All nurses are invited.
And that's what I love.
It's community, because nursesare community, literally.
(05:27):
Like if you ask somebody like,hey, do you know a nurse,
they're going to be like my momwas a nurse, yeah, sister's a
nurse.
My cousin brother is a nurse.
The neighbor that lives downthe street, she's a nurse.
My esthetician is also a nurse,Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what percent of the
population we make up, but it'sactually a super large one.
A lot of people like graduateand don't even use it, but
there's so many people that holda nursing, or have held at some
point a nursing license.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's like 6.8 million.
I just did a post about thenursing shortage and how we have
about 1.2 million vacancieskind of coming up, but we have
6.8 million nurses that hold alicense.
So is there a shortage?
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, there's a shortage of nurses that want to
work in the hospital.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I love this perspective too, because wow
that you've been in like allangles, because I, like you know
a lot of people talk about whatthey wish would be improved,
about nursing school.
Oh my gosh, there's so muchperspective you have to.
I could talk to you about amillion things, like the fact
that the NCLEX is about to ispossibly transitioning to people
being able to take it at home.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, that's.
That is so funny because therehas been so many great social
media posts on that from there'sthis one gentleman that I'm
thinking of and he's literallylike laying in his bed with his
laptop and he has two guys.
Well, it's himself, but twoguys.
One has the lab values and he'sholding up a sign.
He says lab values, and thenthe other one's like critical
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thinking and he's like all right, are you ready?
Are you ready?
He's like we're gonna take theNCLEX, and it's like it's so
funny because that it's like howare you ready?
He's like we're going to takethe NCLEX and it's like it's so
funny because that it's like howare you going to?
Even Right, right, I mean Iwatched so many students during
COVID take tests that my eyeballis like literally burned out of
my skull because it's beeneight hours on a computer just
(07:18):
being like yeah watchingstudents and you have to look at
their eyes.
I mean, there are so many thingsand I'm pretty sure some of
them probably did use resources.
But you know what, like innursing school, we should teach
a little bit of that resources,because we need to do that in
the hospital.
But the NCLEX, you should bereally using resources, right.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Coming from all that memorization that you've done
for the last four years twoyears, three years, whatever
it's been that's you having toregurgitate that right?
So, yeah, I mean I thinkthey're trying their best to
bring nurses in to make it morelike comforting or safe or
feeling supported.
I think they're really doingstarting to do a disservice to
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nursing in the field in general,from the NCLEX to the pay that
I've been seeing for like new AIstartups.
They're like asking nurses toget paid like $25 an hour from
people accepting a dollar towrite in a book.
I'm like, what are you guysdoing?
Like you are saying yes to lowwages and so that amplifies
(08:24):
through the masses of the humancollective that it's okay to pay
nurses $25 an hour or to paythem a dollar to write a book,
like it's.
It's kind of fucked up to behonest, it is it is.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So what is your background?
Is academia?
I've heard a lot of peopletalking about honestly, and I
don't know how true it isbecause you know, I went to
nursing school like 12 years agoand took the NCLEX before it
changed several times, so I haveno idea.
But people say that thatnursing school is easier, that
the NCLEX is easier, and arecomplaining about the education
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of new nurses nowadays too,which I do not find, and I
personally work with new nursesone on one all the time and I do
not see any difference in theireducation level.
I actually see that what we puton them is much, much more than
was put on me going straightinto an ICU out of being a new
grad.
But I wonder what yourperspective is after working in
so many different settings.
Do you think it's changed?
(09:18):
Do you think people are askedto do less?
What do you think about this?
Is that real?
It's like such a made up thing,like it's like the nursing
shortage.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Right.
Yeah, the curriculum in nursingschool like obviously hasn't
really changed too much.
I mean, they're like 10 yearsbehind.
So like, even if I wrote like anursing or a clinical book, it
takes like several years for getit approved and that shit's
already old school, like why?
So it's like nursing school isactually super behind and then
we're asking these nurses to gointo the ICU and handle like
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three to four patients.
It just makes me want to andit's like I think we're putting
way too much on them in a sense.
It's a lot of fluff work.
We're adding a lot of fluffwork, but we're also not
creating teamwork and we're nottaking into account that this
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generation is also bombardedwith so many things.
They're really overstimulated.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh for sure, their nervous systems are already like
, and then they walk into an ICU, which makes us so much worse.
Yeah, it's not funny at all, bythe way.
I'm just laughing because Ihave a sick sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that all nurses well, most
nurses probably have a prettymorbid like.
I mean, it just gets us throughthe day, you know.
For sure, for sure.
Yeah, I mean I think workingwith you know I've worked in
academia, academics, like allthrough my nursing career,
either PRN, part-time and thenfull-time these last couple of
years.
But you know, within that Iworked hospice, case management,
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home health, pediatricspecialties such as like autism
and the spectrum.
I worked with a doctor that didosteomanipulation with the
brain, which was really cool.
So, that being said, going backto the nursing, all the nurses
that I've worked with we allreceive the same education we
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really do Like.
When it comes down to it, it'slike what do you do with that
education and what do you go onto learn more of?
You know what I mean.
So I think it's not that wehave put more on or less.
I think nursing curriculum isstill just the same as it was,
like in 1980, unfortunately, youknow, they've added a couple
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like cool simulations andmannequins to make it like AI
and you know, but it's likenurses actually don't really
spend much of their time withthose mannequins.
They might get like a couplehours, but it's a huge feature
of nursing schools to bringnurses in to act like that.
This education is so modernizedbut it's really not, because
you have a lot of those peoplethat are stuck in academia, that
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have limited mindsets andthey're like this is the way
it's always been done, so that'show we're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's all upper health care that I see too.
It's like they revisit the samefour issues and not in any new
way either.
We talk about the same fourthings in the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm like yes like my head against the wall patient
ratio.
It's like what?
Why?
Like, let's do something aboutit instead, right?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
how about we try a new method?
Because what you've been doingfor years it's not working
whatever.
And even, and then why arepeople exiting and starting
their own businesses?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right, yeah, and it's funny because I it's really
funny that what you just saidbrought me back to when I worked
for traditional situations.
They've always found me somehowon the media side, right, and
they're like oh, emily, you needto come into the office, we
need to talk to you about yourpost I'm waiting for that day,
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by the way you know it's and andit always just came back to
like but you guys aren't fixingit.
So I'm trying to go out to theuniverse and figure out a way to
fix it and you guys don't likethat because this is the way
it's always been done and you'recomfortable people that are
comfortable.
Nothing's going to change and,honestly, that's.
(13:08):
We break down nurses in nursingschool.
I was in the Air Force for fouryears, went through basic
training and basic training tome is so similar to nursing
school and it shouldn't be thatway.
Like those are nurses that areabout to take care of people in
their most vulnerable moments.
You shouldn't be yelling andscreaming and telling them that
they're like, worthless and thatthey're not going to pass the
class.
Yes, here's my hand.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Let me guide you.
Yes, I mean I did notexperience that, I got lucky.
But I have seen that on thefloor with like nursing students
telling me how their preceptorsare, so like the person that's
watching them in the hospital Ithink that's called their
preceptor but I'm like thethings that they say to them.
I'm like, oh my gosh, bullyingis still so alive in some places
.
It's so sad that that's okay.
(13:51):
I know, so yeah, so hopefully,you know it's a wake-up call and
, as we were talking aboutbefore, like this generation,
yes, yes, right Before the show,we were talking about our hope,
all my, our hopefulness forthis next generation's ability
(14:11):
to change it.
Cause they just take less shit,they have better boundaries.
I feel like they also stay init.
They speak up more.
I don't know.
What else do you see about itthat you're loving?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, yeah, I love you know that they speak up more
, like you were saying, and thatthey take no shit, but also
that they don't totally identifylike as a nurse per se, that
they're not, they're callinglike that whole manipulative,
okay.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
so tell me, okay this I want to make this transition.
Do you think what kind ofbecause manipulation, kind of
like setting up to be a martyras a nurse happens throughout
this like training?
Do you know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm getting at?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh, I totally do.
Yeah, I I had when I was anacademic.
I would buy the notes onnursing by Florence Nightingale
for all of the students in myclinical and they would read
that book and we would, we wouldread it together throughout
their like eight or 12 weeks andwe would notate and literally
at the end they're like oh myGod, florence Nightingale like
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literally sold her soul and sodid all the other nurses that
worked with her because theycouldn't have a family, they
couldn't date anybody.
They literally like lived, work, sweated, sleep, shitted,
nursing and it's like, but it'snot 1890 anymore right like yes.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I saw your was that your post about Tampa General
putting in housing.
Now somebody put that I waslike the reference.
I was like, oh my God.
But yes, I hear you.
I feel I also think there'ssomething about people who go
into nursing like or in thatstay like, because there's
plenty of people that don't stay, but the ones that say there's
something in our past that wasmaybe a little already broken
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that made this easy to tolerate,or something we seek out.
I say that all the time.
I'm like it's because I, likesome of the older nurses, have a
hard time dealing with whenthey, where I work anyway, some
of the younger nurses who arehaving emotional reactions to
coming into some of this awfulshit.
We see, I'm like that's normal.
They're supposed to react thatway.
There's something about us thatis broken that makes it so,
(16:10):
made this so easy for us Like.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
that's my perspective anyway, but yeah, yeah,
absolutely yeah, I, you know, Isee that a lot and that's why I
created the field of somaticnursing.
It's we don't look so much atthe emotional, trauma-based
informed care like we should.
And it's like you said, a lotof time we all come in with
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diagnoses, labels, things fromour past, and going into these
situations, I like to call ittrauma stacking and a jenga
tower.
You only can get so high untilyou start pulling those pieces
out.
And those pieces are likeexperiences in the hospital
where you have four ICU patients, where you just had to take a
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dead baby down to the morgue,where you just had to tell a
patient that her husband's goingto pass right, like those types
of things we don't preparenurses for.
And so somatic nursingencompasses that.
Understanding our nervoussystem, understanding what we
can envision, understanding whatwe put in our bodies, brains,
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what we see, feel, hear, smell,all start to create experiences
within our body, and thoseexperiences then come up when we
experience harmful or traumaticexperiences.
So we're just like stacking aJenga tower and then that Jenga
tower eventually it's calledburnout when it falls down.
And then that's when you'relike, oh shit, my pieces are
(17:34):
everywhere and either you gocheck into a mental health
hospital, or you go work in aflorist for a little bit, or you
take a three month break, right, those are the things, you know
, that happen with nurses andit's a cycle, like we.
We see it all the time.
We see that cycle all the timeand it's like when is it going
to end?
And, like you said, we see thesenurses that have been in
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nursing for a really long time,like beyond 20 years that become
numb and almost desensitized.
And you have these new nursescoming in that are like just had
a code and lost a patient andthey're literally like need to
go home.
But then you have these oldernurses that are like suck it up,
buttercup, like get back on thefloor, why are you fucking
(18:17):
crying?
It's like, oh my God, sheshould be crying, that's normal,
like a patient just died infront of you and that it's the.
It's also the generation.
Right now, like my kids age the15, the teens they're getting
super desensitized.
I mean to the point where kidsare recording kids dying.
I mean it's really likedisheartening and it makes my
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heart hurt for that generationand for our new nurses coming in
, because it's like in betweenthe millennials.
We're like here feeling all thefeels and we're crying and shit
, and then these new nurses arelike all right, cool patient
just died, peace, like.
It's like what is happening?
It's just like a really weird,like whole 180, I don't know,
(19:00):
have you?
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I mean there's it's all over the board.
I feel like there's, I feellike it's actually like the new
nurses coming in, it's one orthe other, and then they have
issues communicating and theydon't.
They are totallymisunderstanding each other,
which is all another issue thatI'm like.
One has a strong personalityand one has a softer side and
they both are offending eachother and I I'm like you guys
(19:23):
just don't understand how eachother communicate at all.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Just hug it out, right exactly hug it out, people
.
They're probably both fightingfor the same thing.
Oh, they are they are.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They just don't know how to communicate it.
They're like so, so it'swhatever it's, it's humans and
communication in general likethis.
That pattern will never go away.
But, um, so is that's what isthis kind of?
I love this topic, but becauseit leads me into kind of like
your heartbeat, rn membershipthat's a support group for
nurses, correct?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So our heartbeat RN communityis free for all nurses and it's
just like our fest includes CNAs, stnas, nurses aides, all
nurses and it's kind of a hub.
So we have entrepreneur stuffin there, we have nervous system
regulation, we have tons ofnurse coaches in there that have
awesome services.
We have podcast drops, likefrom other nurses that are on
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podcasts to share theirexperiences.
So it's kind of like a shoppingmall of awesome things that
nurses are doing and it justallows you to be with other
nurses that are doing thingsthat you want to do, because
obviously, when we ask peoplethat aren't doing things that we
want to do and we try to getthat validation of our idea,
dreams or hopes or visions,they're going to be like oh
(20:36):
that's stupid, you're crazy.
Oh yeah, what are you talkingabout?
You don't have a doctorate,whatever, the whatever.
So yeah.
So the Heartbeat RN is literallyjust a cool area, space for
nurses to thrive and just learnall the things.
Like I have passive andaffiliate income stuff in there.
We have monthly meetings,coaching sessions and we also
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have the Sober Shift communityin there, which is an
accountability group put on byNurse Fully, which is a nurse
therapy kind of place wherenurses can get therapy, because
the people that are giving themtherapy like know what they're
going through, which is supercool, and so actually they're
one of our sponsors for ModernNurse Fest.
So we have a couple othercommunities in there that nurses
(21:18):
can also get involved in toeither, like, come off of
alcohol or change their habits.
Like that's really what sobershift RN is about, because we're
just a bunch of habits walkingaround.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So yeah, yeah, and traditionally nurses are some of
the most unhealthy.
We have like really maladaptivecoping, like ways of coping
with all the stress we deal with, which I think is changing.
Honestly, I think that isshifting In general.
I think that's shifting whichis really really exciting.
You touched on so many goodpoints there that I that I like
(21:52):
really want to talk about that.
I love.
But what we've talked we'vetouched on like dance around and
burnout a ton.
But so before I ask you anyother questions, I guess what
are, what are your thoughtsabout burnout and what?
What nurses need right now oradvice you'd give people before
we move past this, because Ifeel like a lot of things we've
touched on.
We're just like this is a hugeissue for so many people right
now and people are afraid toleave the hospital.
You've got this great nursefest going on with all these new
(22:15):
modern possibilities.
What do you want to tell allthese burnout nurses who might
be listening?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, dear burnout nurses, this is my love letter
to you.
Oh, I love it Is to grow a setof balls and to really just take
a moment to be with yourself,like without any distractions,
(22:40):
and just sit there and askyourself what do I want?
What do I want Not, what doesmy husband, my partner, the
hospital, my professor, my dad,my mom, whoever is asking all
these things of you what do Iwant, like, what do I want to be
, what do I want to do?
And it's all possible.
(23:00):
That is my love letter to you.
That is all possible because youhave to find people that are
doing what you're already doing,what you want to do, what
they're.
Find people that are doing whatyou want to do, and be with
those people and ask themquestions and try to figure out,
like, all the ways that they'redoing.
(23:21):
The thing is just an example ofthat.
Like, you can do that too, butyou have to absolutely, like
100%, believe that you can dothat, because the hospital's
gonna try to be like oh my gosh,we have a dollar raise for you,
you should stay.
Oh my gosh, we just increasedthe amount of pizza parties to
(23:41):
five this month.
So you should stay right.
So there's gonna always bepeople like pulling you and
being like no, we want you, wewant you, we want you, but like,
what do you want for yourself?
And I think nurses, like wetalked about, it's that
martyrdom, that servant, it'snot a servant leader, it's a
servant, it's a slave to.
The trade letter to you is totap into yourself and we kind of
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talked about that before.
That.
We're all coming back to this,asking yourself, like, what do I
want to do?
And that's ultimately likegoing to lead you into what you
want to do.
So that's my love letter and myhope for you.
And if you are going and headinginto burnout so like you're
gaining weight, you're smoking,you're drinking unconsciously,
you're doing things that you'resmoking, you're drinking
unconsciously, you're doingthings that you typically
(24:30):
wouldn't be doing if you were ina joyful state those are all
signs of burnout.
Like, even before you hitburnout, like you drinking a lot
, or you taking a lot of Xanax,or whatever your, whatever your
ill, for your pill and the pillfor the ill, whatever your
numbing activity is, whatever itis like, that is your burnout
sign.
Like it it doesn't.
Like it takes those happeningover and over and then all of a
(24:54):
sudden you're like, oh shit, I'mhaving a crisis.
But it's like all along thosethings were happening.
You just weren't aware becauseyou were in like this stress
state.
And when we're in a stress state, we're in a masculine state and
so for all the burned outnurses out there that are
looking and trying to figure itout, tap into yourself, ask
yourself, what do I want?
(25:14):
And then notice, are youconstantly like hustling and
bustling and rushing?
When our nervous system's inthat state, we can expand, all
we can do is implode and that'swhen that anxiety and depression
comes in.
So expand, notice what's outthere.
Go to Modern Nurse Fest, joinHeartbeat RN, like come and see
(25:35):
where all the joyful nurses areat that are doing things that we
love, because everything's achoice and for so long I was not
choosing that choice to get outof that spot, and it was a
really hard choice to be like,fuck it, I'm leaving it, and it
doesn't make me less of a nursebecause I'm not putting in IDs
anymore or shoving tubes insomebody's butt, whatever, which
(25:57):
is a huge obstacle, I think,for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They feel like they're not nursing, if they're
not doing these physical skillsanymore, which is so sad because
it's honestly, you can supportnursing in so many, you can
support people in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, and that's you know, and I think that's what
the the public sees us as, asthese skill goers, like these
skill doers.
And it's like I haven't put anIV in for 10 years now and I
don't, I'm good, like I don'twake up and be like, oh man, I'm
so sad that I haven't put an IVin today, like that.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like I have gloves in my kitchen and I put them on to
cook chicken and I'm like, ohmy God, I am a nurse.
It's like I'm using a nursingskill and I take them off and I
bundle them in a little bowl andI throw them in the trash and
I'm like, thank God, I have thatnursing skill, it's things like
that.
That.
It's like why, why do you have?
Because it's such a main partof nursing school is skill,
(26:58):
skill, skill skills.
And it's like that's all youreally do is like skills check
off, skills check off.
And then it's like we get intonursing and that's not really
how nursing is.
It's not like you don't go intoa patient's room and put an IV
in Well, I mean, they do getcustomer service surveys but you
don't go in and be like hey, mrSmith, just want to get some
(27:19):
feedback about my IV insertiontoday on you.
Can you go ahead and rank theIV insertion on a scale of zero
to 10, 10 being the best zero.
Please give me a good rating,because I know that was a good
stick.
Like that doesn't fuckinghappen.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, and why would it Right that's so silly?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Funny I know.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I love it.
I love it.
I love that you also touchedabout like telling people nurses
to find their people, who arealso in that mindset, because I
think that is super difficult aswell, especially if you want to
leave bedside, like you have tofind their people who are also
in that mindset, because I thinkthat is super difficult as well
, especially if you want toleave bedside like you have to
find.
Like.
For me, one of the reasons Ikeep doing this podcast is
because I'm talking to otherwomen who are entrepreneurs and
(27:59):
in my life there just aren't alot of people that are doing
that.
So I have to find a way toconnect with women doing that,
to share that mindset, becausepeople around me look at me like
I'm crazy, like I've lost mymind for doing this.
So I have to connect withpeople who don't think I'm crazy
or like, yeah, I get whatyou're doing and I think that's
a big piece of too.
Everyone around you, if you'retrying to leave or thinking
(28:20):
about leaving, if they'reshutting you down, they're
probably they're jealous, can'timagine themselves doing it,
afraid for you know, like.
So you have to find people thatare already doing it.
You find people that supportyou and get it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Yeah, I've been.
I've had a lot of greatbusiness mentors and coaches.
You know, I dropped out ofdoctoral school at Vandy.
I was going for my doctorate innursing, education and
leadership and I made a sale oflike $555 while I was in class
and I was like, oh, dropping out, dropping out, dropping out
(28:52):
right now, because that programwas going to cost like 100 grand
, so it would have been like 300grand and I mean it was just
going to be crazy, you know, andI wouldn't have got that pay.
Working in a traditional setting, especially with a doctor of
education, it's not reallyhighly respected in academia,
unfortunately.
Like, if you really want to goclimb the ladder, go get a PhD,
(29:13):
because they love that shit.
They're like you're a PhD, yeah, come on in, right.
But if you have like a DNP,they're like, yeah, come on in,
you can teach, like the clinicalpart.
But if you have an EDD, they'rejust like what the hell is that
?
And it's like what?
It's a doctor of education.
Like y'all need to be bringingthose people in, because that's
who changes the curriculum, notthe PhDs, that's research-based
DNPs.
(29:34):
Yes, they do have awesomethings that they can bring to
the curriculum and the educationpiece.
So, yeah, it's.
It's crazy to you know you'rethe top five people that you
hang out with.
And so when I learned that Istarted to look at the top
people that I was hanging outwith and they were, you know,
smoking and drinking a lot, theywere really hard on themselves
and they talked very negativelyabout themselves.
(29:55):
They weren't making any morethan a hundred grand a year.
They drove like cars that wouldjust always crumble on them,
always break down on them.
I mean they just didn't respecttheir spaces.
You know, it's just like thesethings that we have to look at
about the people that we hangout with, that the things we
listen to, the things we watchon TV, social media, all imprint
(30:19):
in our body, in our being, andthat is a mirror image of who
you are.
Right, like you look at gangsthat you know people go into
gangs because they feel acceptedand heard and seen.
But that's a very low frequency, right, they're doing really
horrible things.
But you can also get intocommunities that are really high
(30:42):
frequency, that areentrepreneurs or people that are
doing and making millions ofdollars or hundreds of thousands
and are happy and living moreof a slower life because
millionaires don't work a job.
They just don't.
It's not.
Yeah, you know that they taketheir money and that's something
we don't learn in school isthey take their money and they
invest it and they let theirmoney grow for them, let their
(31:03):
money work for them, yeah, yeah,and that's so beautiful, like
when women can actually stepinto more of like a chill flow.
That's when you see women likeglowing and shining and like
really just emulating like joyand happiness.
Not that we don't have likesadness and grief and shame,
(31:24):
obviously we're human.
But if we can step more intothat joyful, like higher
frequency state, more of thatshit will come in, right?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, so how do people do that?
How do they make that shift?
How do these nurses listeningwith like what's possible?
How do they do that?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, yeah, it starts with a thought and it starts
with understanding your thoughtsand your habits throughout the
day.
So, like, just take maybe thisyou know day to day, or this
week, or whatever you're goinginto, and, either on your phone
or on like a little notebook,get yourself something and every
time you notice it's going tobe a very keen awareness.
(31:59):
You notice talking bad aboutyourself or you're doing a habit
that might not lead to joy,happiness or fulfillment.
Write it down and write downwhat you can do instead.
Even if you don't do it instead, maybe you're like man, I just
want to go, I'm just going to goout with my friends and drink
because I'm really stressedright now.
Take a moment and be like okay,but why am I doing that?
(32:23):
Am I doing it because I need tonumb?
Am I doing it because I need topush off something that I
really do need to let processand flow?
Am I doing it because I need tonumb?
Am I doing it because I need topush off something that I
really do need to let processand flow?
Maybe I just need a good cry,right?
So it's learning about ourhabits and our behaviors and our
mindset and that starts tocreate those new neural pathways
.
So maybe I tell myself like I'mnot a good nurse, or I'm not a
(32:44):
good mom, or I'm ugly, or youknow, like, why do you keep
doing these things?
When I say those things tomyself which I don't really say
those things anymore I noticeand I'm like okay, in this
moment I am saying I'm ugly.
Why Is it because I'm jealousof somebody that I just saw
who's very beautiful?
Is it because I'm insecureabout how I look towards myself
(33:09):
in the mirror?
Right?
So it's a lot of introspectionand that comes from being in a
non-stress state.
You know, when we're at a12-hour shift, those things that
we say to ourself in our mindit goes so fast during that 12
hours so you might say like, oh,I shouldn't have done that with
(33:30):
that patient, or why did I dothat?
Like it's the wise and thewould have and the should have
and the could have right.
So catch yourself doing thosethings and flip the script.
So, instead of being like I'mugly, find things that are
beautiful about you.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Maybe stop the shame.
It doesn't get you anywhere.
So I still prevalent and newnurses to like.
I work with new nurses like aone on one all the time and they
are so guilty and so shameful.
Even when they know it's nottheir fault, it's like the
biggest thing.
I'm always like let it go, likeit's not about you.
You got to find a way to shakethat nurse guilt because it's
(34:04):
not like it's not serving youanywhere.
I love that you're saying thatsuch it's really powerful to be
able to shift out of thatbecause then you clear up so
much space for yourself, becauseyou spend so much energy
dogging on yourself.
It really drags you down whenyour internal dialogue is like
that.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, and I even catch my
friends, you know, when they'relike oh, I'm, I'm such an idiot
and I'm like what, Don't eversay that again.
Like what, don't ever say that.
Like why is that your defaultthat you go to?
Because you're just claimingyou're an idiot, so an idiot,
you shall become my friend.
Yeah, what it is Like whenyou're like I'm dumb, I'm stupid
(34:43):
, that you shall be, and so itis like that's the universe,
god's source hears us.
Like we are bigger than thisbody, we are spirit souls, like
they're just in this, like fleshsuit, like walking around, we
can change our identity anytime,like this is a simulation, but
this isn't even real right now.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah Well perception is reality, right.
So if you can shift yourperception, you shift your
reality.
I just read your article.
I just so funny because Iobviously because I knew you
were coming on I've been likefocusing more on your feed and
stuff and I one of your articlessparked a really fun.
I have a really good like bestfriend who, like, keeps me
mentally on the level.
We talk all the time about likejust all kinds of conceptual
(35:24):
stuff.
But we were talking about yourarticle, about what you're like
I'm going to stop sharing mytrauma with people and you're
just talking about thedifference between, like where
that line is, between ventingand when it becomes like a
negative mindset.
You keep yourself like causeher, you know her and I have had
that conversation with eachother back and forth before over
the years over whether whatwe're saying is this are we at a
(35:45):
positive place where we'redoing this?
Are we taking this in anegative place?
Should we be talking about like, where does this line cross
into gossiping and to justexpressing yourself?
And so he brought up a lot ofreally fun conversation for us.
I thought it was such aninteresting conversation because
nurses do do that.
We trauma bond all the time itbrings us closer together.
It does have some helpfulbenefits for bonding, but it's
(36:06):
interesting because really, whenwe're talking about perception
as reality, it's so true.
So if we're constantly claimingtrauma bonding, then we're
staying in that state, so veryinteresting.
What are your thoughts on allthis?
I love that article, by the way, just sparked so much.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you know, I I have.
I've had a lot of awesomemental health diagnoses in my
life and really it's all comedown to like what state do you
want to be in?
And when I had a boss asstherapist, tell me, emily, like
you get to choose your reality.
(36:43):
And I was like, oh shit, areyou serious right now?
Like what a power that is.
Understand that I get to choose,like right now, like how I get
to show up, so like in thisconversation, like right now I
could be like, oh my God, I'vehad a really horrible life.
I've suffered from chronicdepression, anxiety.
I've been diagnosed withborderline personality disorder.
(37:04):
Like I can go down and sad andbleh, but what does that do?
It just intensifies like allthe symptomology that all those
diagnoses amplify.
So, like me talking about thosediagnosis and what I know for
myself, when I talk about thosethings that have happened in my
past and all the trauma orwhatever, I go back and I crawl
(37:25):
back into that hole with thattrauma and I'm like, hey, trauma
, how's it going?
Let's hang, we're besties.
And it gets me really sad anddepressed and I totally turned
back into that person.
I was back when I wasexperiencing all of that shit.
So when I talk about it itdoesn't make me feel good.
So I'm like, why do I keeptalking about it?
(37:47):
Because it trauma bonds.
But I want to break that,because we got to stop trauma
bonding.
We can be like, yes, we arehere to take care of people and
we can connect in that sensethat we're trying to get the
human conscious.
Higher, the collectivefrequency higher, but taking it
down.
Hospitals are already a lowfrequency, with all the EM
(38:07):
frequency higher, but taking itdown.
Hospitals are already a lowfrequency, with all the EMFs
electric.
Holy crap, all the sounds thatare coming.
Oh God, yeah, I mean that's not.
It's not a healing place, likeduh, and then nurses are in that
for a lot of their hours oftheir life and so it just pulls
them in.
It's like it's like a vortex ofreally gross energy, honestly.
(38:27):
And so when we are able to findjoy and happiness and like see
the colorfulness of life ratherthan like this gray area, then
it changes our whole perspectiveand I'm like, yes, I've had
trauma, but I no longer want tofocus on that.
I want to change the perceptionand perspective of how you can
(38:50):
live a better life, because, tome, living in that state only
perpetuated, like me having moresuicidal ideations, me wanting
to end my life a lot more thanliving in this state that I'm
currently in, where I'm a littlebit more delusional and like
this isn't my reality and thereality I live inusional, and
like this isn't my reality andthe reality I live in is the
visions that I have in my headand what I want for myself and
(39:13):
those things are happening, likemodern nurse fest was, yeah,
and hot yoga, like I was.
Like what is modern nurse?
I don't even know what this is,but okay, you know what I mean.
So it's, you know, more thingscome to you when you're in that
higher frequency state.
So, yeah, I mean we can talkabout that all day.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
But yeah, I loved it, though.
It was such a great thoughtthough, because it's a really
common thing nurses do.
I mean, I find myself my thingis talking about health care
being broken.
You know, like I have to shiftmyself away from that because,
like, what's it going to do?
Who's going to fix it?
Like there's alternative things, there's no point in dwelling,
like whatever.
So I love that, but I feel Icould feel that, like when you
say, like the low frequency,when you talk about it, you just
(39:51):
feel stuck in it, you're notgoing anywhere, like it's not
helpful.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, and it's, it's, yeah, it's not helpful.
You know, I even think when youbecome more joyful and you're
not constantly being like I'msick and I'm unwell, then the
people in your life that areused to that version of you
(40:17):
won't get the new version of you, because they're so used to you
complaining and being likeyou're so sick and they're
validating your illness andbeing like oh, it's okay, you're
depressed again, it's okay.
And that's why we haverepetitive patients, because
patients in their sick mode,they're getting attention from a
doctor, from a nurse, from amedical assistant in the
(40:38):
facility that they're going toand they're like oh my God, I
love my doctor, my doctor is soamazing because it's a
codependent now relationshipWe've created oh my gosh, like
the chronic illness likeCodependent, which is a whole
thing?
Yeah, so it's, and I saw thatwith my my co-parents mom.
Unfortunately she died ofkidney cancer and at the end
(40:59):
stages of her life.
I was taking her a lot of herdoctor's appointments and she
loved it.
She like loved going to thedoctor because they paid
attention to her, you know, andit was paid attention to her
illness not her per se, but toher illness and her illness is
what she identified with.
So it's like what do youidentify with?
And what you identify with willonly amplify who you are.
(41:23):
So like, if I like myborderline personality disorder
diagnosis, I could totally livein that and I could make really
bad, impulsive decisions.
I could really live a reallyrisky life, like I've done in
the past, but that doesn't helpme get to where I want to go.
That only just communicatesthat I'm going to be in that
(41:46):
diagnosis and that's my identitynow, just like nurses identify
as a nurse and they can't beanything else, it's like why do
we?
I'm a mom.
I'm going to just identify as astay-at-home mom and that's all
I'm going to do.
I'm going to identify as ateacher, and that's all.
It's like.
Stop identifying and just likebe you like.
Why do you have all these?
It's like makes me feel icky.
(42:07):
It's like get rid of the labels.
People like you are you like.
Yeah, took away all that shit.
Who would you?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
be right, and the most powerful people are.
The most successful people, orat least the ones that I'm drawn
to, are people that find a wayto combine all the like.
You know what I mean to likefind a way to merge all the
things that they are into one.
You know like I mean To likefind a way to merge all the
things that they are into one.
You know like maybe they were anurse and then, like you know
whatever else they did in theirlife.
Like one girl I know she's likereally into skateboarding and
(42:36):
now she's like a nursing coachand she part of her thing is
she's like skateboarder.
Yeah, you know Micah, yeah, Iwas like, but she's like all her
things and that's what makesher awesome and I feel like that
, like you too, you like, youare you and that's what makes
you shine and so like, yeah, Ilove that.
That's like the other end of it, right, the magical part of
(42:57):
like letting that shit go andjust being you Beautiful.
So who do you look up to?
Who are like your?
Who inspires you?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, so, yeah, I have a lot of a think.
Probably the last five yearsI've really been stepping into
like a millionaire mindset andgetting mentors and people
surrounding me that are alreadydoing that.
And so, like Alex and LilaHormozy, who owns school and
acquisition, like those twopowerhouse, like they really
(43:24):
inspire me and I follow a lot oftheir messaging and it's been
very, very good in my businessto take their messaging and use
it because it's like they'realready successful.
So it's like, yeah, tastepeople that are successful.
Kathleen Cameron she was anurse out of Canada highly
suggest all nurses listen to her.
She's a manifestation coach.
(43:45):
She's I think she's at 38million right now, which is mind
blowing all from her membershipcommunity.
People really master the giftof vision, manifestation, dream
work and and she's done it.
So it's it's really inspiring.
So I've been coached by her fora while and, like Dr Joe
(44:10):
Dispenza is somebody that Ireally look up to.
Tony Robbins, like these, thesepeople that are so living in
their authentic self, is who Igravitate to.
You know, people that aren'twearing masks, aren't fake,
they're like in it, in it to winit, and they're like so
embodying, like who they are,and they're unapologetically
like just being them, and Ithink that's so beautiful when
(44:34):
you can be like not sorry aboutsomething, like you, just like
I'm here, bitches, like you cantake it or not, like right, like
, and that's how I walk intoevery room, like if you're hated
, like that just means you'relike on the right path, really
like to be honest.
And that's how I walk into everyroom, like if you're hated,
like that just means you're likeon the right path, really like
to be honest.
And that's when I knew that Ineeded to get out of Emory.
When I started getting a lot ofhate, like I was like, oh my
(44:56):
God, I'm really doing somethingand it's stirring people and
it's like creating likequestions in their own mind and
they hate that because it makesthem feel uncomfortable and I
love getting peopleuncomfortable.
So I think those people likeAlex Hermosi, lila Kathleen
Cameron, like they make peopleuncomfortable because they are
in their true, authentic self.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, and you always will, I feel like when you're
because that you know it justtriggers something in people
they're not ready to deal withand that's not your problem,
that's theirs.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, I just hope that I can like push them to
take that leap or that step intounderstanding like you are,
your, your reality, like it'sjust mirrored back to you, right
?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So I just the quote that I've been like really,
really into this month it'sfunny is like authenticity.
What is it?
It says authenticity,no-transcript, don't have to put
(46:17):
, they don't have to be ready,you know.
So I love that.
Yeah, don't ask how.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
just just let it come in Like it's, and it's hard for
women to surrender.
You know, I've thrown a lot ofbirthday parties for my kids and
I remember like rushing aroundand being like, oh my God, I
have to have these napkins.
But in the end game nobody evenknows that those napkins were a
thing.
So it's like you know what.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I mean, oh my God, yes, yes, I do know, nobody
cares about the fucking napkins,emily Right.
You spent 20 minutes in thestore trying to figure out which
one would be the best.
Nobody 20 minutes in the storetrying to figure out which one
would be the best and nobodyeven noticed, nobody even knows
and nobody even knows that youlike it's.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's so funny, like what we get so wrapped up in
that we need to make perfect orthat we need and, and really I
always say just like, as long asit's like 60, good, push it out
there.
It doesn't have to.
Nobody knows that it's not 100%.
Yeah, 60% is probably 110%.
To somebody seeing it, they'reprobably like, damn, that's good
(47:18):
, that is right there.
And you're like it was 60% thatI put out.
But perception.
Perception is the key and youknow, I can put out a really
shitty post and it might goviral, who knows, just put it
out there, even if it's at 60%.
Like, just put it out there andsee what happens and just
(47:39):
surrender, like you have to putit out there and just walk away
from it.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, well, you get feedback on it regardless, right
?
So you learn whether it'ssuccessful or not, it's a
learning experience, so I lovethat.
So what's your go to like selfcare, self nurture, when things
get rough for you?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, there is man.
I use so many skills.
I did outpatient therapy fordialectical behavior therapy for
about two years, where we metthree hours a week for two years
.
It was like a part time job andwhat I learned was, when I'm in
moments of fragility andvulnerability is I just ask
(48:17):
myself, what do I need?
And sometimes that questionmight answer like I need to go
smoke a giant fat joint.
But then I have to ask myself,emily, is that unconscious or
conscious?
So I take it a step further.
Conscious or conscious?
So I take it a step further.
Like and if it's, if I'm like,yeah, actually I'm just trying
(48:44):
to push off something, I'll godo movement instead.
I'll like put a song on.
Like, I have a couple of songson right now.
I have like repetitive songswhere I just I play them like
all day long, like continuouslyon repeat, and it like gets me
in the dancing mode.
Sound is so powerful, sopowerful right, like, yes, I'm
like I can like hear it rightnow.
Like when I did, we do, I waslike you know, we're like
already it's, you know it's.
(49:06):
It gets you out of that emotionand it brings you back to the
present, because that thatmoment where you're feeling like
out of sorts.
It's only a 60 to 90 secondemotion.
It's the choice to stay in thatemotion.
So, like if I'm feeling anxiousabout maybe speaking on stage,
I'll ask myself is this anxietyor is this excitement?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
yeah, because it's the same.
It's the right.
Your body's responding the sameway.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's perception.
So I'm like I'm going to choosethat.
I'm a badass speaker and I amso excited to go speak on stage
right now.
Am I still nervous?
Sure, I might feel like I needto shit my pants, or my heart's
racing out of my chest.
Those are all normal things.
But if I'm stepping into itrather than I'm nervous, and I'm
(49:58):
stepping into it rather thanI'm nervous and I'm stepping
into it with excitement, it'sgonna go a lot easier.
It's gonna be a lot more funthan being like, oh my god, I'm
so nervous, I'm gonna shootmyself on stage, like that.
You know it's.
It's a choice and it's aperception of the current moment
.
And so, yeah, my go-to is amovement, music, breathing.
I just notice myself throughoutthe day too, especially if I'm
(50:18):
getting like frustrated with mykids.
They're teens, they're great,but there's moments where the
communication's not working andI'm just getting so frustrated I
have to be like okay, noticeyour breath, because your breath
is gonna actually be veryerratic and short and shallow
when you're in those frustratedmoments.
So I'm like yeah let it go.
(50:40):
They're teens, you're an adult,just let it fucking go.
Now, not that I don't blow mytop, because I used to be a
yeller and very an angry person,but I still those.
That angry person stillsometimes pops out and I do yell
every now and then, but it'slike I have to.
I have more of an awareness andI reel back in and I then
(51:03):
apologize to my kids, like hey,I was having a moment, had
nothing to do with you, it wasmy own internal circumstances
that I was pushing out onto youand I'm sorry for that, right.
So it's like I wouldn't havesaid that like 10 years ago to
my kids.
I'd have been like, why are youcrying?
Go sit, you know like it's likeit's a whole change, a whole
shift.
I mean, I'm not that sameperson I was.
(51:23):
So it's a really cool way tobring those modalities music,
movement, vision, smell, likeall the senses really bring us
back to the present moment.
So, yeah, tapping into thosesenses, powerful, powerful
advice.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I love that and I think there's like this
perception that when you startto like heal all that stuff,
that like, you reach this placewhere you're like, oh, life is
thin and it's just not true.
It's like you still face thesame battles forever.
It's like a new, a new way ofdealing with them, a new way of
looking at them, or maybe likethe feeling changes a little bit
, but we never, like reallynobody ever gets to a place
(52:01):
where they're like like that andeverything's perfect and if
someone's telling you thatthey're lying to you, they're
still lying.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it's hard and it's hard transitioning
like a new identity.
Identity or into a new personaor who you want to be Like.
You're going to have to shedand there's going to be a lot of
ugly crying.
There's going to be a lot oflike can I do this?
Should I do this?
There's going to be people thatare like you're not the same
person that you were.
Well, no shit, and that's agood thing.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Because it's not serving them anymore too.
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah thing, because it's not serving them anymore
too.
That's their yeah.
Yeah, it's not yeah, becausepeople, you know, really only
see us for what?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
we what we?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
can get in our role absolutely, and so if you change
that role to from caregiver toempower, they're gonna be like
you're not, we're not on acodependent relationship anymore
and it's's like yeah, sorry, Ihad to cut you off, I had to cut
myself off, right.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
So yeah, that's such a powerful shift too, because
those people, sometimes youdon't even know the energy they
are sucking from you, and notall the time, because good
people will realize that andthey'll shift accordingly when
they see it's you doingsomething positive for you.
But if they don don't, that'ssuch a good indicator that that
person may be like an energysucker in your life yeah,
(53:17):
absolutely yeah, so good, I lovethat.
Well, okay, so before we gowhere, if people are listening,
because I know some not a lot ofpeople don't watch these, but
where could they find?
Go and find, like, moreinformation about, like, modern
nurse fest, which is so cool, orbecause, cause, especially
since you guys are gonna bedoing this tour too, or
Heartbeat RM, where can theyfind those free resources and
(53:41):
how to learn more about ModernNurse Fest?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, right on, so yeah.
So if you just Google ModernNurse Fest, it will come up it's
modernnursefestorg.
But really it falls under ourassociation that we've created
for all nurses, not for justspecialties or whatever the crap
.
We are like breaking it downfor all nurses.
So Nurses for NursesAssociation.
So nursesfornursesorg isliterally where you can find
(54:05):
Modern Nurse Fest, where you canfind Heartbeat, where you can
find the School of ModernNursing, which has all these
like courses in there.
Yeah, modern nursing, which hasall these like courses in there
.
Yeah.
So I would check nurses fornurses dot org and then you can
find all of the goodness that weare offering for nurses.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yes, do you want to leave us with anything before we
go?
I?
Speaker 2 (54:26):
would just say, like, just just love yourself a
little bit more.
Like today, just find a way tolove yourself a little bit more
than maybe you've been doing.
And that might just be liketelling yourself that you love
yourself and that's really hardfor a lot of us to do.
But take a moment today and Iwant you to like look in the
(54:47):
mirror and just be like I loveyou, and you can even say your
name and just be like I love you.
And it might be really hard todo at first, like you might not
be able to look at yourself, butjust try it.
And if you're having a hardtime looking at yourself, it
just means that you need toreally love yourself a lot more
and just honor and trustyourself, because you have all
(55:09):
the answers you really do.
So I just like to leaveeverybody with that Like you
have all the answers you reallydo.
So I just like to leaveeverybody with that, Like you
have all the answers.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
You just have to ask yourself what do you want?
Oh, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
I love that.
Thank you.
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