June 27, 2025 • 43 mins
What if the answers to your healing, your purpose, and your greatest potential were already inside you—stored in the energy pathways of your body?
In this soul-awakening episode of Empowered Within, host Jennifer Pilates welcomes spiritual acupuncturist and energy coach Bonya Lim, the creator of the revolutionary Ch’i Mastery System. With over 30 years of experience and wisdom passed down through generations, Bonia shares how our physical symptoms, emotional blocks, and spiritual misalignments are all connected through the body's energy meridians—and how we can release what no longer serves us to heal deeply from within.
You’ll discover:
- How acupuncture points relate to your birth date and the 365 days of the year
- Why your stomach issues may stem from emotional worry, not just what you eat
- How to identify and clear energetic blockages using meditation and somatic awareness
- The unseen role of fear in back pain and the energetic truth behind common expressions like “a chill down the spine”
- Why mastering your qi (life-force energy) is the key to manifesting abundance, joy, and connection
From her healing journey after 9/11 to building a practice in Sedona, Bonia’s story is one of profound resilience, spiritual inheritance, and body-based transformation.
💫 Plus, don’t miss the surprise advice she gives about crashing weddings...yes, really.
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(00:06):
Welcome to Empowered Within aSoul Clenching transformational
podcast that will set your soulon fire through candid and
inspiring conversations.
Leading experts, celebrities,healers, and I share our
journeys of how we've overcomechallenges to living an
empowered life from within.
I'm your host, Jennifer Pilates.
Welcome to another episode ofEmpowered Within.
Audio Only - All Participant (00:34):
Hi there, and welcome to the show.
I am so honored to have with ustoday's guest, Bonia Lim Bonna
has been a spiritualacupuncturist and energy coach
for over 30 years.
During this time, she developedthe Chai Mastery System, a
unique method for unlocking thebody's.
Innate wisdom.
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This transformative approachhelps individuals clear
energetic blockages and connectsmore deeply with themselves
grounded in energy awareness,somatic work, and meditation.
This program empowersindividuals to clear, energetic
blockages, align with their lifegoals and thrive.
As a result, they're able toachieve both personal and
professional breakthroughs.
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Welcome to the show, Bonia.
I'm so excited to have you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jennifer.
Jennifer, for having me.
You are so welcome.
Well, we were just chatting offair that you have been living in
Sedona for 30 years, you said?
No, 20 years.
20 years.
Oh, what an incredible blessing.
So tell me what brought you toSedona.
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So, of course I've been practicefor 30 years.
For the first 10 years I was inNew York City.
Wow.
Yeah.
And I went through, many thingsthere, including nine 11.
And, on the day of nine 11, I alalways in depth thought that I,
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someday when I retire, I'll moveto Sedona and to do my spiritual
work and really dive intospiritual aspect of the healing
that my family has beenpracticing.
But even like that kind of.
Everything stops in your life.
And also I lost some friendsthrough that event and I
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remember this distinct momentwalking down the street.
I was passing the Madison SquareGarden and I had two drinks in
my hands and I just stoppedmiddle of there and people are
just passing by.
And I was thinking like, what amI waiting for?
What am I waiting for?
To have or get or pro, to do.
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And I realized I was justwaiting for something to happen
in my life rather than me makingit happen.
And one of the thing was that ifI want to, spiritual work that
I've been always wanted to do.
And I also share the knowledgethat I have learned in my family
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and I've been wearing, okay, Imight do that when I retire in
Sedona.
that's when I made a decisionthat I'm going to move to
Sedona.
That's incredible.
What an impactful moment andwhat a great lesson for everyone
to learn is.
You do create your own life andyou are that co-creator.
And sometimes we do, we wait forthe sign or we wait for one more
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thing because we'reuncomfortable with taking that
leap.
Mm-hmm.
That is going to bringeverything that you've probably
ever wanted so much sooner toyou.
Yeah.
Isn't that true?
We are all waiting forsomething.
Mm-hmm.
The right time.
We are waiting for the rightperson to come into our lives.
We are waiting for the rightamount of money to have.
We are waiting for, money, placeand chance to do things, then we
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end up just waiting till we die.
Exactly.
And the key is, is why are wewaiting to live when we're here
to live and to thrive?
So.
Talk to me about your familybecause you are third generation
within a healing family so tellme what that's been like for you
growing up with that.
What have you learned?
How has that been ingrainedwithin you to now you bring it
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to your clients?
Yeah, well, I, we have manyhealers within my family, and I
don't really have muchinteraction except of course my
mom.
I was apprentice to her likesince I was seven years old
without realizing I wasapprenticing.
I remember the first time that Idid acupuncture was on her.
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I was around seven years old andthere are certain areas, parts
that she couldn't reach and sheasked me to do the acupuncture
on her and I knew exactly whatto do and she was really
shocked.
I.
By how I was administrating andworking with the, acupuncture.
And she asked me, how do youknow this?
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And I just figured like,'causeI've been watching since I was
baby, what, how, what she'sdoing.
But I more, more, I.
Do my work more, I realize, Ifeel like it's, it's kind of in,
you know, in my blood, in ourfamily.
And, she has been the biggestteacher.
I says she's my birth girl, myteacher, and best friend.
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And, she passed away last year.
It's been a, it's going on ayear.
That's when.
After she passed away, that'swhen I really decide to really
share this with the whomevercrossed my path.
Oh, well first, I'm so sorry forthe loss of your mom.
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What an incredible blessing thatshe's been to you and now lives
on through you.
Yes, definitely she is, she's ablessing in so many ways, and
I'm realizing more and moreafter she passed on, I wish
that, I wish I got to appreciatethem more.
And of course, we all have thatregrets.
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Right, right.
And so this is the practice thatyou've developed in Sedona.
So are you doing more in person,do you do virtual work?
Tell me about how you arehelping clients.
Mostly virtually.
And it came up, this part of it,big part of it came about
through my own experience of myown journey of, going through,
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certain conditions that I had.
I had a lot of gastrointestinalissues when I was young.
I had a depression.
I.
Since I was high school, Iremember even my counselor
suggest me to see a therapistand get a medication, get some
medication, because I was justdeeply depressed and I didn't
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even know what depression wasback then.
And we did.
My family didn't really talkabout it.
In my grad school is when Idecided that I'm gonna do
something about this.
Either I take the route oftaking medication, going to see
doctor, or, one of the doctorsactually mentioned that this, I
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have a very low chance of.
Healing the condition that Ihave.
If I get better at some point, Istill have to deal with this for
the rest of my life.
And I decided to do the thingsthat my mom always suggest me to
do, just to just meditate.
But I incorporated one of thething, meditation and movement.
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And I believe the movement iskey ingredient in the part of
the healing that I went through.
But also one of the things thatI also recommend to other
people, when I say movement canbe anything.
It can be dancing, it can beswimming, it can be just playing
tennis.
It doesn't matter.
But doing the consistent base,it is definitely, important
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ingredient in the healingprocess.
At this, at the time I didmeditation and many martial
arts, Tai Chi, Qigong, andTaeKwonDo.
My brother and I used to run a,martial arts school in New York
City, three blocks away fromMadison Square Garden.
I don't remember how, when itwas, I remember this moment
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that.
In my meditation, I saw thislike Bo, you know when you go to
a restaurant or McDonald's oranywhere, you see this menu on
the Yes.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And you pick shoes and ask thecash, like, this is what I want,
this is what I want, this iswhat I wanna eat.
Right?
I saw very clearly that there'smany different emotions, many
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different thoughts that'savailable for us.
But when you are accustomed andwhen you're used to a certain
way, a certain experience, youkeep choosing the same emotion
over and over, or same thoughtover and over.
And I realized that's what I'vebeen doing.
And at the time I, I saw thatthere's array of other emotions
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and thoughts that was availablefor me, and I realized I wasn't
choosing those.
I kept choosing this, you know,like.
So choosing what you werecomfortable with.
Exactly.
Choosing what you knew, right.
Regardless of how it made youfeel, because at the end of the
day, it's what you knew.
So you were comfortable.
So even if you wereuncomfortable, it was still
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comfortable.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
You put your hand on the stove,it burned you, but that's what
you used to, so you keep puttingit, putting your hand there.
So it almost feels like that.
I made a conscious decision tochoose different emotion and
different thought, but it stilltook some time because I was so
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used to doing this, andmeditation definitely helped me
going to deeper level ofswitching and changing that
pattern.
And I think it took me two and ahalf months or almost three
months to reverse all thesymptoms that I have with in my
body right now.
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I'm at right now, I'm at 55.
I'm much more healthier now thanwhen I was in my twenties and
thirties.
That's amazing.
That's wonderful.
Yes.
So do you feel that the root of,do you feel that the root of
that all comes?
Because I know that, you alwaystalk about mastering the chai,
mastering your chai.
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Do you feel chi, excuse me,chai.
I am thinking like tea.
No people not tea.
We're going, you are Q.
You need your qi.
So is that where you'respeaking?
We need to master our qi.
Aligning inside.
Is that part of that process?
Yes, we are made out of qi.
We have a qi running through ourbody, and there is a very
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specific pathway within thebody.
I don't know if you've ever seenthis, meridian man or
acupuncture man, with all thepoints and the lines in the
body, that's the pathway of Qirunning through, moving through
your body and along thesechannels there are 365
acupuncture points.
Wow numbers, matches with thedays in a year because each
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point, it has a correlation eachday in a year, and also date of
birth, the time that you'reborn.
Have all this connection towhat's going on in, in your
body.
But we're not gonna go too deepinto that.
You can get Oh, but yet, waitfor a moment here.
Hold on.
You just opened up a wholerabbit hole.
I love acupuncture.
I've had it done for so long.
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What you just said just blew meaway.
There are 356 points.
3 6, 5 Oh because it coincideswith each day.
And then there are specificpoints for each person based on
when they were born, the dateand the time, right?
Mm-hmm.
I'm telling you, I'm 52 yearsold.
No one has ever told me thosetwo pieces of information.
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I find that to be crucialinformation when dealing with
someone.
Yeah.
I realized there's a lot ofcrucial and important
information than even myteachers didn't really instill
in teach me especially theconnection between the emotion
organs.
I.
What's going on in the body.
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Everything you feel, everythingyou think affects our body.
Literally the flow of the energyflow of the tree in the body
gets affected by how you thinkand how you feel.
One good example is, kidneys andbladder.
The channel, the kidney andblood and its emotion is fear.
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And the bladder channels runsthe back of the body along the
spine.
Okay?
This is why when you're on thelot of fear, we jokingly say, I
have a chill going down myspine.
Wow.
A lot of things that people, wesay it's really based on how we
feel in the body.
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And we don't really make thatcorrelation because, you know,
we just go throughout the dayand just, we make comments.
But why would we say that?
Right, right.
Where did that come from?
It came from somewhere becauseyou feel something within your
body.
When you're under a lot of fear,your kidneys and bladder
channels start to get blocked.
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And many of those pointsactually are, is are on around
your waist.
Yeah.
In the backside.
If you suffer from chronic backpain.
That's not one other area thatyou can look into.
It's not that you are a fearfulperson, but whatever might have
happened in the past, it gets astore in your body.
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Right At the cellular level.
Yeah.
So I have a question for youthen I.
Because a lot of people, I say agreat portion of the population,
as you mentioned, has stomachissues.
IBS, digestion something, andnow yes, we can attribute it to
the food is different.
It's not how when we grow upthere's a lot more going on.
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But when we look at and, and I'mlike you, I believe that every
dis-ease in the body comes froman emotional suppression that we
have chosen not to work through.
Acknowledge, so on and so forth.
When you are looking throughyour experience at the stomach,
at digestion upset in general,what, what immediately do you
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go, oh, that's because A, B, andC is most likely going on with
that person?
From the get go.
Digestive area has a lot ofconnection to stomach and spleen
channel and its emotion isworry.
So this is how it came about iswhen I start practicing
acupuncture, I've known aboutthis information and I've talked
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about this with my mom, and shealways bring.
Talk to me about spiritualaspect, a spiritual aspect of
what's going on in the body, oneof the easiest way to talk to
people about is asking themabout their emotion and sharing
this piece of information.
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So the back pain I just share inthe beginning of my practice 30
years ago, I would just sharesimply with my clients what I
know is.
The channel that's connected tothis pain that you're suffering
is, has a connection to fear.
I'm just throwing thisinformation for you to just
think about and contemplate andevery single time that'll share
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with me their story and what hashappened, what kind of event
that created fear in them.
It could be 10 years ago, fiveyears ago, one year ago, one
month ago.
Yeah, the just areas connectedto worry.
We all have a certain fear.
We all worry about things.
The thing about is that ourbodies remember everything that
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we have gone through.
Everything that they, weexperience.
We not consciously think aboutit every single moment, but our
bodies remember every,everything.
Some of them pass through.
Some of them stay based on theenergy that we process.
The science has been proven thatwhen we have emotion, including
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us and all different animals, itpasses through within 90
seconds.
Have you heard of that?
I have heard of that, yes.
And I'm fascinated by it.
Yes.
If you just let it be, it justpass through it.
So animals are very good atdoing this.
You know, you have to see likethese two animals fighting that
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tried to kill each other.
After a few seconds, they shakeit away and they just move away
from each other peacefully.
Like nothing ever happened.
But humans, we are the only onewe hold onto things.
We harbor.
Our feelings, our thoughts, andthe hatred or anger, whatever
that might be, through ourthoughts.
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When we keep, think about thisenergetically, stores in the
body and it creates a blockagesin the meridian, blockages in
the meridians.
What acupuncture does is findingthose specific point to unblock
it.
But over the years, what I findout is that I feel like I've
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learned.
From a great acupuncturist with,not from my mom, and I feel like
I do my best to do the work, butoftentimes people come back with
the same symptoms.
They're, well doing really well,and then come back.
I found out that it was becausethey go back to same lifestyle,
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same relationship, same workenvironment, same settings of
the life that they have, andthey go back to the same
patterns of behaviors andthoughts and then that energy
gets blocked again.
Or that energy gets, blockedmuch, densely within the body.
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So unless we go to the heart ofthe matter, we are not really
healing the root of the issue.
Is that how your mastery systemis different and specializes
with your work because you'regetting to the root cause?
Exactly, exactly.
I heal myself through thisprocess, but.
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For, I think more than 10 yearsor so, I had to work really hard
to be able to share this andalso be able to replicate in
other people.
I know what it felt like, I knowwhat happened to me, but also
being able to share in otherpeople to experience it, took a
while to do that.
And, so Tree Master is basicallycom composes somatic work,
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mindset work, and meditation.
That is amazing.
So only if someone gets to seeyou in person, do they get to
have the acupuncture?
So we have to, I think we allneed a little trip to Sedona is
what I'm hearing.
Yeah, so I have like almost ahalf and half right now.
Half of my clients actually comehere in Sedona to get treatment
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from me in person and half allwe do online sessions.
And CHI Mastery system is notonly about really working on
physical issues, but also aboutreaching any goals that you set
out to reach in your life.
Because even the blockages is.
Within the body, if you wanna bea CEO of a company, if you
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wanna, create a, certainbusiness or you wanna miss
somebody or anything that youwanna achieve in your life, the
blockage is also resides in thebody.
So it's the same process ofremoving the blockers.
You can be able to reach yourgoal.
How do you know if someone has acertain blockage?
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Say you're in a session with,say we're having a session, and
I'm saying, okay, I'm looking atmanifesting more abundance in my
life.
To be able to expand and moveforward so I can serve more
people.
It's actually very simple.
You will know.
There's a process of certaindeep meditation that we do.
It's so clear.
It's like right there.
Pretty much everybody sees itvery clearly.
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Oftentimes it's internalblockages, sometimes external
blockages.
One of my, clients, you know,his goal is have better
relationship with his daughter.
Yes.
He, according to, he, based onhis words, horrible relationship
with their daughter, externalblockage list, he's in the
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military, so he has hard, hedoesn't stay home.
A lot of times he gets, goes toother countries, other states a
lot.
So he cannot be in ho at homephysically.
So that was ex one of the,external blockage.
One of the internal blockages isthat he doesn't know how to
communicate'cause because hehasn't learned that,'cause his
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parents also didn't communicatewith him very well.
But one of the main thing wasthat he has a fear of his
daughter, not being proud ofhim, but it's not something that
I saw.
He saw it through the meditationthat you took him through.
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When you go under, under thedeep place of unconsciousness,
you get to see it.
Everyone sees it.
That's fascinating.
Now are multiple things comingin?
If there's multiple or are you,is one session you're solely
working on, maybe one attributethat you're looking to change or
expand upon?
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Depends on what goal you come inwith.
Oftentimes people come in withthe very big goal, I wanna
create a.
$20 billion.
Oh yes.
That is big.
That is big.
And it takes about short threemonths, it even six months, to
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really, create a shift withinyourself.
So my program is usually sixmonths.
And then how do you, how are youworking with people so that our
community understands?
Is that a once a month?
Is that multiple times duringthe month?
I.
Every week, three weeks in arow, one week.
It is a integration week.
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So three weeks in oneintegration, one for six months.
That's wonderful.
What an incredible, incredibleopportunity, to work with your
system.
I'm so excited for you.
I'm so excited for our wholecommunity to be able to dive in
and hopefully get to work withyou on this.
What would you say when you'relooking back over all of the
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years that you've beenpracticing personally and the
work when you're working withyour mom, what has been that
biggest aha moment that perhapsyou've had along the way through
the spirit spiritual journey ofyour own and through the work
that you're doing that howimportant it is to trust myself?
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You know, those little inklings,those drops that came along the
way and which happens toeverybody.
We ignore it because we don'ttrust our intuition and we don't
trust our instinct.
But it has been right all along.
Our body is a very important,tool to have because it
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constantly tell us what's goingon and what to do, what's best
for us.
Oriental Medicine is based ontwo major theories in Indian
Young Theory and five elementtheory.
Five element would Wood, earth,metal.
Fire.
water.
Base it can affect, applies toeverything in the water.
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It applies to the direction.
East side is connected to wood.
And it's, its organs are liverand gallbladder.
If you have a liver gallbladderissue, your east side of the
house needs to be cleaned out.
Interestingly, if you have aliver, gallbladder issue, your
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liver, your east side of thehouse, usually quite messy or
have a clutter.
Interesting, just cleaning thatout energetically or doing some
feng shui'cause it's based onfeng shui, and changing.
It affects your body and viceversa.
And also liver and gallbladder.
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It's connected to wood and it'scolor is green, and earth's
color is yellow.
When we learn to listen to ourbody.
When you get to trust to listento our bodies, we do things very
instinctively and intuitively.
When you get up in the morning,when you open up the closet, you
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don't know why you wanna wearthis green shirt that you don't
usually wear.
But our left brain comes inrationalized no, that's dumb.
You, you don't, that's not yourcolor.
You shouldn't wear that.
So is when you just follow yourintuition, you just go, go with
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it.
Especially some things just cometo you.
And also five LM is also based,can be applied to taste as well.
So sweet, salty, and so on.
So when you in tune our body,our bodies also tell us what
would be best for us each dayand each meal.
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I'm so fascinated by this and Ikeep hearing, do you remember
what West is like?
I know for me, like I lovefacing West, west is part of my
success.
Energy feng shui wise.
And I have to see a sunset, Ihave to, that's my completion of
the day.
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When I don't have that, I feeloff.
Ideally, I like the sunrise andthe sunset, but there's this
pool about the west and I alwaysfind it fascinating.
And that's, spleen and theheart.
And heart and pericardium.
Heart.
And pericardium it's fire.
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That is very fascinating.
I, yeah, I had, how do I wannasay it?
A heart situation, about sevenor eight years ago that had come
up.
Mm-hmm.
When I was out west, it was veryinteresting how it just happened
and I've always, my energies aredrawn to the west.
Even though I grew up in theeast, I don't resonate with that
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anymore.
I'm cl like I, the closer I getto the western part of the
United States, the more calm Itend to be.
Mm.
Yeah.
It's fascinating.
Yeah.
And it's also of, or so that'sthe time of the day too.
A two, starting from 3:00 AM to5:00 AM is long time.
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And the five to 7:00 AM is alarge intestine in 10 time, and
I found that a lot of myclients, one of whatever the
symptoms they might be goingthrough, it always affect that
time of the day or you wake upmiddle of the night or that
specific time of the day, andthen organ connection and the
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the element connection there aswell.
I feel like you need to write abook and there needs to be a
section so that I could gothrough it and go, oh, I woke up
at three o'clock last night.
I know intuitively, that's whenthe veil is thinnest.
Also, it applies to this organ,which brings me to this
subconscious thought.
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I think this is a fabulous bookfor you.
Okay.
I think this would be like sucha Bible kind of book, you know,
to be able to open up and go,oh, the West means this, this
time means this organ, thiscolor.
There isn't a book like that.
There's, you can do the fe shuihere.
You could do organ and emotionshere and affirmations, but
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there's nothing.
This culminating.
Okay.
And your system is aboutawakening the whole of the body.
I think this would be phenomenalfor you.
Okay.
I would think about that.
I just always thought thisinformation has been handed down
to us for generations for by thelast 5,000 years.
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But perhaps people might to,might need to hear this in more,
simpler or simpler.
Yes.
Digestive way.
Exactly.
Like Louise, I don't know ifLouise Hayes book.
You open it up.
If you're having a pain, you canopen it up.
Look at the pain area.
There's a theoretical reason asto why, and then there's the
affirmation to help you releaseit.
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Mm-hmm.
But, but everything that you'redescribing, I just think is so
important.
There's bits and pieces yes.
Everywhere, but there isn't thatone place where someone can go
to.
And I, I only know because Iwork with so many empaths and
highly sensitive people, andthey always ask me for something
similar, but in our aspect ofthe world, and I think if you
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did a book like that, wow.
It could be so impactful.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
In layman terms for everyonebecause it's just, it's not
there.
Okay.
Yeah, I think it would be hugefor you.
I really do.
That might've been the downloadintuitive messaging coming
through, by the way.
Okay.
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Wink, wink.
I love this.
And especially going and sittingand creating this in a vortex in
Sedona.
I just don't think it gets anybetter than that.
Yeah.
Ultimately, what I wanna sharewith the people is about.
Just going inside, there's atools within us and if you just,
we just get to listen to ourbody bodies'cause it's
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constantly talking to us andwhat to wear, what color of
clothes, what kind of taste,food that might be more
harmonious for you for today,which direction to go to, how to
arrange your furnace in thehouse to bring more chain to the
body.
It's constantly speaking to us.
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Oh my gosh.
I want this book.
I wanna pay for the advancedcopy.
Please.
Yes.
So much.
Yes.
I'm not even kidding you.
Because everything that you'resaying is so important and to
understand, and especially inour day and time right now where
there's so many distractions outthere.
Everybody wants to come inwardor people within our circle, we
all wanna come inward.
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We all wanna align and simplify.
Yeah.
And be grounded.
You're offering it all in suchan amazing mastery system, and
now we could have the Masterybook.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
I really do.
I have such goosebumps aboutthis for you.
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I'm so excited.
I, my brain is already likethinking and trying to figure
things out, so I'm happy to helpyou with it.
I'm happy.
I, have helped quite a fewpeople that have come on the
podcast.
With the next steps that theywere going in their businesses.
And one actually happened to bean author and she came to me and
there was a piece of the bookthat she was missing the puzzle.
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And we did a session togetherand there were three books
suddenly that came outtanowhere.
It was really cool.
So I love being able to shareand help and this just feels so
impactful and so important rightnow because, as you know, we're
all, we just wanna ground.
There's so much going on, and ifwe can begin to look simpler at
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our lives and understand howimportant it is to declutter and
understand what the direction ofthe west means, or why I am
craving so many sweets today, I.
Why are you craving comfort foodtoday?
It's probably a very rationalsituation, you know, a rational
thing, but we don't always payattention like you're saying to
our bodies.
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So what is one piece of advice,Vanya, that you would give to
our listeners to help them comeback into themselves?
To be able to come home tothemselves?
Our thoughts are not us.
It's like the clouds water underthe bridge is just passing
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through.
And as long as we don't do threethings, we don't, trying to get
rid of it, if especiallynegative thoughts or we're
trying to not, try not tosuppress it and try not to
identify with it.
As long as we don't do thosethree things, it will pass by.
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Okay, so let's review.
We don't wanna identify with itif it's a negative thoughts.
And it's like impacting you inthis very reactive and strong
way.
Just don't do those threethings.
Don't try to get rid of it.
Just leave it alone.
Don't try to suppress it.
'cause we sometimes activelysuppress it just doesn't feel
good.
Or you identify with it if it'sa negative thought like I am
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ugly, like you identify withthat.
Okay.
And let it be okay.
Because sometimes I'll go intosay I'm having an anxious
moment, and I'll sit with myselfand try to peel it back and go,
are you really anxious?
Or are you really excited andyou're not breathing?
Are you, do you think that wouldbe identifying with it or is
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that an okay way to try tounpack it?
I think that's okay.
Way to, okay.
Okay.
I think that's important foreveryone to understand because
right now I think there's somany people that are afraid to
do the wrong thing.
When it comes to working withtheir body or manifesting in
their subconscious, and I justwant people to be okay with
their vessel and their templeand honor it and love it.
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Definitely, definitely givingsome time with ourselves is
always good and important.
Being still, as you know, that'sthe most powerful thing we can
do for ourselves.
But during the day, throughoutthe day, you have to take care
of so many tasks, and thisthought is to keep bombard
bombarding at you and you justlet go of those.
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With those three you will pass.
But if we give, we do any ofthese three, we give power to
that thought.
And that's then where thepotential energetic block comes
in.
Yeah, because now we're holdingonto it.
Exactly.
Now let's become a new handbag.
Okay.
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We don't need a new handbag.
No, no.
Then it ended up creatingblockages in your meridian
system and block one of those365 points.
That in and of itself needs tobe a book.
We're gonna have to do a wholepodcast around that.
And the acupuncture of when youwere blows, my mind still blows.
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Never heard those two things.
There's so much that I feel thatis so powerful within you that
the world needs to hear.
On such a big platform, and I'mso honored that you chose to
come on the show and be a partof our community and start with
our community.
It means so much to me.
Thank you.
I'm honored to be on yourpodcast.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
To be here.
Yes.
Well, as we begin to close outthe show, I always ask this one
question, what is maybe onething that no one knows about
Banya?
I don't think it has anything todo with the healing that I do.
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That's okay.
But when I was young, especiallyin grad school, I used to crash
wedding.
In New York.
New York.
So those people, oh, I lovethis.
Who had weddings?
Maybe in the photos I might beshown in the wedding.
Photos I was not invited.
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Did you go and like eat cake anddrink the champagne?
I did all of it.
We should be best friends.
That's phenomenal.
I love that.
Oh, well part of reason that Idid was I told you that I had a
depression.
And I wanted to be around peoplewho are happy and one of the
best place to go.
It was a wedding I.
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Yeah, everybody's happy.
Second place.
Second place is airport,especially international airport
arriving section.
When you feel down, these arethe two things.
Crashing wedding is somethingthat I don't usually recommend,
although I did it.
The second one is just going tothe arriving section in
international, you know, areaand just sit there and watch.
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Loved one unite.
Oh.
That just fills your heart.
Fills your soul.
Yeah.
Yes.
I used to love going there, justI cry with them like I'm
complete strangers, but I justlove people, loved ones reunite
and hugging and kissing.
It was so beautiful to watch andit just filled my heart.
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Those are two really cool thingsto share that no one may have
known about you.
I love that.
The wedding crasher thing, Ithink we should bring it back.
I used to be a wedding plannerfor a long time, and acro, I
loved it.
Obsessed, like I love planning aparty now.
I'm obsessed with decorating myhouse anytime I can for any
celebration like you say,because it makes you happy.
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You know, I'm the girl that assoon as Hallmark plays their
first Christmas movie inOctober.
My house gets decorated.
I wanna stretch out thathappiness in that season, so I'm
with you on that.
But yeah, we should crash someweddings in Sedona.
It's harder to do here, but I,I'll try once, but didn't work
out.
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Oh, no.
Well, maybe we can bring it backtime.
Oh my gosh, you're fabulous.
I love you so much.
Will you share with ourcommunity where they can best
get in contact with you andlearn more about you and your
services?
Just go to my website.com, andalso for your audience, our
offer, free clarity sessions.
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You can sign up for a littleshort session with me.
Wonderful.
I think everyone should go anddo it.
I know I'm definitely gonna doit because there's just so much
more for us to talk about.
So I would love to have you backon the show, anytime that you're
free because we could talk forhours.
This is fabulous.
And you are just have such greatenergy and such a wealth of
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information that I feel hasn'tbeen out there.
You know, for me alone to notthose two things, like I'm still
blown away.
I'm gonna be googling today.
I'm gonna get on my chat GPT andstart.
Learning more.
'cause I love that.
I love to learn something newevery day and our community
does, and that's what's soimportant right now.
So thank you for that.
And thank you for coming andsharing your beautiful energy.
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Thank you.
Thank you for this platform toshare, for me to share.
You are so welcome.
Well, as always, all of BonnieLim's information will be over
in the show notes, so you canhead over there.
You can click on her website andfind out all the goodies and,
look into her and heading toSedona, because I also know you
have a retreat that comes up inSedona as well, right?
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Great.
So there is an excuse about, notthat anyone needs an excuse to
go to Sedona, but that iscertainly a good one for that.
So thank you again, Vonya forbeing here.
I'm so appreciative of you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Well, as we say everyone, untilnext time, may you live an
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I am so honored to have with ustoday's guest, Bonia Lim Bonna
has been a spiritualacupuncturist and energy coach
for over 30 years.
During this time, she developedthe Chai Mastery System, a
unique method for unlocking thebody's.
Innate wisdom.
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This transformative approachhelps individuals clear
energetic blockages and connectsmore deeply with themselves
grounded in energy awareness,somatic work, and meditation.
This program empowersindividuals to clear, energetic
blockages, align with their lifegoals and thrive.
As a result, they're able toachieve both personal and
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Welcome to the show, Bonia.
I'm so excited to have you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jennifer.
Jennifer, for having me.
You are so welcome.
Well, we were just chatting offair that you have been living in
Sedona for 30 years, you said?
No, 20 years.
20 years.
Oh, what an incredible blessing.
So tell me what brought you toSedona.
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So, of course I've been practicefor 30 years.
For the first 10 years I was inNew York City.
Wow.
Yeah.
And I went through, many thingsthere, including nine 11.
And, on the day of nine 11, I alalways in depth thought that I,
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someday when I retire, I'll moveto Sedona and to do my spiritual
work and really dive intospiritual aspect of the healing
that my family has beenpracticing.
But even like that kind of.
Everything stops in your life.
And also I lost some friendsthrough that event and I
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remember this distinct momentwalking down the street.
I was passing the Madison SquareGarden and I had two drinks in
my hands and I just stoppedmiddle of there and people are
just passing by.
And I was thinking like, what amI waiting for?
What am I waiting for?
To have or get or pro, to do.
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And I realized I was justwaiting for something to happen
in my life rather than me makingit happen.
And one of the thing was that ifI want to, spiritual work that
I've been always wanted to do.
And I also share the knowledgethat I have learned in my family
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and I've been wearing, okay, Imight do that when I retire in
Sedona.
that's when I made a decisionthat I'm going to move to
Sedona.
That's incredible.
What an impactful moment andwhat a great lesson for everyone
to learn is.
You do create your own life andyou are that co-creator.
And sometimes we do, we wait forthe sign or we wait for one more
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thing because we'reuncomfortable with taking that
leap.
Mm-hmm.
That is going to bringeverything that you've probably
ever wanted so much sooner toyou.
Yeah.
Isn't that true?
We are all waiting forsomething.
Mm-hmm.
The right time.
We are waiting for the rightperson to come into our lives.
We are waiting for the rightamount of money to have.
We are waiting for, money, placeand chance to do things, then we
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end up just waiting till we die.
Exactly.
And the key is, is why are wewaiting to live when we're here
to live and to thrive?
So.
Talk to me about your familybecause you are third generation
within a healing family so tellme what that's been like for you
growing up with that.
What have you learned?
How has that been ingrainedwithin you to now you bring it
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to your clients?
Yeah, well, I, we have manyhealers within my family, and I
don't really have muchinteraction except of course my
mom.
I was apprentice to her likesince I was seven years old
without realizing I wasapprenticing.
I remember the first time that Idid acupuncture was on her.
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I was around seven years old andthere are certain areas, parts
that she couldn't reach and sheasked me to do the acupuncture
on her and I knew exactly whatto do and she was really
shocked.
I.
By how I was administrating andworking with the, acupuncture.
And she asked me, how do youknow this?
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And I just figured like,'causeI've been watching since I was
baby, what, how, what she'sdoing.
But I more, more, I.
Do my work more, I realize, Ifeel like it's, it's kind of in,
you know, in my blood, in ourfamily.
And, she has been the biggestteacher.
I says she's my birth girl, myteacher, and best friend.
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And, she passed away last year.
It's been a, it's going on ayear.
That's when.
After she passed away, that'swhen I really decide to really
share this with the whomevercrossed my path.
Oh, well first, I'm so sorry forthe loss of your mom.
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What an incredible blessing thatshe's been to you and now lives
on through you.
Yes, definitely she is, she's ablessing in so many ways, and
I'm realizing more and moreafter she passed on, I wish
that, I wish I got to appreciatethem more.
And of course, we all have thatregrets.
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Right, right.
And so this is the practice thatyou've developed in Sedona.
So are you doing more in person,do you do virtual work?
Tell me about how you arehelping clients.
Mostly virtually.
And it came up, this part of it,big part of it came about
through my own experience of myown journey of, going through,
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certain conditions that I had.
I had a lot of gastrointestinalissues when I was young.
I had a depression.
I.
Since I was high school, Iremember even my counselor
suggest me to see a therapistand get a medication, get some
medication, because I was justdeeply depressed and I didn't
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even know what depression wasback then.
And we did.
My family didn't really talkabout it.
In my grad school is when Idecided that I'm gonna do
something about this.
Either I take the route oftaking medication, going to see
doctor, or, one of the doctorsactually mentioned that this, I
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have a very low chance of.
Healing the condition that Ihave.
If I get better at some point, Istill have to deal with this for
the rest of my life.
And I decided to do the thingsthat my mom always suggest me to
do, just to just meditate.
But I incorporated one of thething, meditation and movement.
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And I believe the movement iskey ingredient in the part of
the healing that I went through.
But also one of the things thatI also recommend to other
people, when I say movement canbe anything.
It can be dancing, it can beswimming, it can be just playing
tennis.
It doesn't matter.
But doing the consistent base,it is definitely, important
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ingredient in the healingprocess.
At this, at the time I didmeditation and many martial
arts, Tai Chi, Qigong, andTaeKwonDo.
My brother and I used to run a,martial arts school in New York
City, three blocks away fromMadison Square Garden.
I don't remember how, when itwas, I remember this moment
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that.
In my meditation, I saw thislike Bo, you know when you go to
a restaurant or McDonald's oranywhere, you see this menu on
the Yes.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And you pick shoes and ask thecash, like, this is what I want,
this is what I want, this iswhat I wanna eat.
Right?
I saw very clearly that there'smany different emotions, many
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different thoughts that'savailable for us.
But when you are accustomed andwhen you're used to a certain
way, a certain experience, youkeep choosing the same emotion
over and over, or same thoughtover and over.
And I realized that's what I'vebeen doing.
And at the time I, I saw thatthere's array of other emotions
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and thoughts that was availablefor me, and I realized I wasn't
choosing those.
I kept choosing this, you know,like.
So choosing what you werecomfortable with.
Exactly.
Choosing what you knew, right.
Regardless of how it made youfeel, because at the end of the
day, it's what you knew.
So you were comfortable.
So even if you wereuncomfortable, it was still
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comfortable.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
You put your hand on the stove,it burned you, but that's what
you used to, so you keep puttingit, putting your hand there.
So it almost feels like that.
I made a conscious decision tochoose different emotion and
different thought, but it stilltook some time because I was so
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used to doing this, andmeditation definitely helped me
going to deeper level ofswitching and changing that
pattern.
And I think it took me two and ahalf months or almost three
months to reverse all thesymptoms that I have with in my
body right now.
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I'm at right now, I'm at 55.
I'm much more healthier now thanwhen I was in my twenties and
thirties.
That's amazing.
That's wonderful.
Yes.
So do you feel that the root of,do you feel that the root of
that all comes?
Because I know that, you alwaystalk about mastering the chai,
mastering your chai.
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Do you feel chi, excuse me,chai.
I am thinking like tea.
No people not tea.
We're going, you are Q.
You need your qi.
So is that where you'respeaking?
We need to master our qi.
Aligning inside.
Is that part of that process?
Yes, we are made out of qi.
We have a qi running through ourbody, and there is a very
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specific pathway within thebody.
I don't know if you've ever seenthis, meridian man or
acupuncture man, with all thepoints and the lines in the
body, that's the pathway of Qirunning through, moving through
your body and along thesechannels there are 365
acupuncture points.
Wow numbers, matches with thedays in a year because each
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point, it has a correlation eachday in a year, and also date of
birth, the time that you'reborn.
Have all this connection towhat's going on in, in your
body.
But we're not gonna go too deepinto that.
You can get Oh, but yet, waitfor a moment here.
Hold on.
You just opened up a wholerabbit hole.
I love acupuncture.
I've had it done for so long.
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What you just said just blew meaway.
There are 356 points.
3 6, 5 Oh because it coincideswith each day.
And then there are specificpoints for each person based on
when they were born, the dateand the time, right?
Mm-hmm.
I'm telling you, I'm 52 yearsold.
No one has ever told me thosetwo pieces of information.
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I find that to be crucialinformation when dealing with
someone.
Yeah.
I realized there's a lot ofcrucial and important
information than even myteachers didn't really instill
in teach me especially theconnection between the emotion
organs.
I.
What's going on in the body.
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Everything you feel, everythingyou think affects our body.
Literally the flow of the energyflow of the tree in the body
gets affected by how you thinkand how you feel.
One good example is, kidneys andbladder.
The channel, the kidney andblood and its emotion is fear.
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And the bladder channels runsthe back of the body along the
spine.
Okay?
This is why when you're on thelot of fear, we jokingly say, I
have a chill going down myspine.
Wow.
A lot of things that people, wesay it's really based on how we
feel in the body.
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And we don't really make thatcorrelation because, you know,
we just go throughout the dayand just, we make comments.
But why would we say that?
Right, right.
Where did that come from?
It came from somewhere becauseyou feel something within your
body.
When you're under a lot of fear,your kidneys and bladder
channels start to get blocked.
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And many of those pointsactually are, is are on around
your waist.
Yeah.
In the backside.
If you suffer from chronic backpain.
That's not one other area thatyou can look into.
It's not that you are a fearfulperson, but whatever might have
happened in the past, it gets astore in your body.
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Right At the cellular level.
Yeah.
So I have a question for youthen I.
Because a lot of people, I say agreat portion of the population,
as you mentioned, has stomachissues.
IBS, digestion something, andnow yes, we can attribute it to
the food is different.
It's not how when we grow upthere's a lot more going on.
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But when we look at and, and I'mlike you, I believe that every
dis-ease in the body comes froman emotional suppression that we
have chosen not to work through.
Acknowledge, so on and so forth.
When you are looking throughyour experience at the stomach,
at digestion upset in general,what, what immediately do you
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go, oh, that's because A, B, andC is most likely going on with
that person?
From the get go.
Digestive area has a lot ofconnection to stomach and spleen
channel and its emotion isworry.
So this is how it came about iswhen I start practicing
acupuncture, I've known aboutthis information and I've talked
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about this with my mom, and shealways bring.
Talk to me about spiritualaspect, a spiritual aspect of
what's going on in the body, oneof the easiest way to talk to
people about is asking themabout their emotion and sharing
this piece of information.
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So the back pain I just share inthe beginning of my practice 30
years ago, I would just sharesimply with my clients what I
know is.
The channel that's connected tothis pain that you're suffering
is, has a connection to fear.
I'm just throwing thisinformation for you to just
think about and contemplate andevery single time that'll share
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with me their story and what hashappened, what kind of event
that created fear in them.
It could be 10 years ago, fiveyears ago, one year ago, one
month ago.
Yeah, the just areas connectedto worry.
We all have a certain fear.
We all worry about things.
The thing about is that ourbodies remember everything that
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we have gone through.
Everything that they, weexperience.
We not consciously think aboutit every single moment, but our
bodies remember every,everything.
Some of them pass through.
Some of them stay based on theenergy that we process.
The science has been proven thatwhen we have emotion, including
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us and all different animals, itpasses through within 90
seconds.
Have you heard of that?
I have heard of that, yes.
And I'm fascinated by it.
Yes.
If you just let it be, it justpass through it.
So animals are very good atdoing this.
You know, you have to see likethese two animals fighting that
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tried to kill each other.
After a few seconds, they shakeit away and they just move away
from each other peacefully.
Like nothing ever happened.
But humans, we are the only onewe hold onto things.
We harbor.
Our feelings, our thoughts, andthe hatred or anger, whatever
that might be, through ourthoughts.
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When we keep, think about thisenergetically, stores in the
body and it creates a blockagesin the meridian, blockages in
the meridians.
What acupuncture does is findingthose specific point to unblock
it.
But over the years, what I findout is that I feel like I've
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learned.
From a great acupuncturist with,not from my mom, and I feel like
I do my best to do the work, butoftentimes people come back with
the same symptoms.
They're, well doing really well,and then come back.
I found out that it was becausethey go back to same lifestyle,
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same relationship, same workenvironment, same settings of
the life that they have, andthey go back to the same
patterns of behaviors andthoughts and then that energy
gets blocked again.
Or that energy gets, blockedmuch, densely within the body.
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So unless we go to the heart ofthe matter, we are not really
healing the root of the issue.
Is that how your mastery systemis different and specializes
with your work because you'regetting to the root cause?
Exactly, exactly.
I heal myself through thisprocess, but.
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For, I think more than 10 yearsor so, I had to work really hard
to be able to share this andalso be able to replicate in
other people.
I know what it felt like, I knowwhat happened to me, but also
being able to share in otherpeople to experience it, took a
while to do that.
And, so Tree Master is basicallycom composes somatic work,
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mindset work, and meditation.
That is amazing.
So only if someone gets to seeyou in person, do they get to
have the acupuncture?
So we have to, I think we allneed a little trip to Sedona is
what I'm hearing.
Yeah, so I have like almost ahalf and half right now.
Half of my clients actually comehere in Sedona to get treatment
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from me in person and half allwe do online sessions.
And CHI Mastery system is notonly about really working on
physical issues, but also aboutreaching any goals that you set
out to reach in your life.
Because even the blockages is.
Within the body, if you wanna bea CEO of a company, if you
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wanna, create a, certainbusiness or you wanna miss
somebody or anything that youwanna achieve in your life, the
blockage is also resides in thebody.
So it's the same process ofremoving the blockers.
You can be able to reach yourgoal.
How do you know if someone has acertain blockage?
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Say you're in a session with,say we're having a session, and
I'm saying, okay, I'm looking atmanifesting more abundance in my
life.
To be able to expand and moveforward so I can serve more
people.
It's actually very simple.
You will know.
There's a process of certaindeep meditation that we do.
It's so clear.
It's like right there.
Pretty much everybody sees itvery clearly.
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Oftentimes it's internalblockages, sometimes external
blockages.
One of my, clients, you know,his goal is have better
relationship with his daughter.
Yes.
He, according to, he, based onhis words, horrible relationship
with their daughter, externalblockage list, he's in the
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military, so he has hard, hedoesn't stay home.
A lot of times he gets, goes toother countries, other states a
lot.
So he cannot be in ho at homephysically.
So that was ex one of the,external blockage.
One of the internal blockages isthat he doesn't know how to
communicate'cause because hehasn't learned that,'cause his
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parents also didn't communicatewith him very well.
But one of the main thing wasthat he has a fear of his
daughter, not being proud ofhim, but it's not something that
I saw.
He saw it through the meditationthat you took him through.
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When you go under, under thedeep place of unconsciousness,
you get to see it.
Everyone sees it.
That's fascinating.
Now are multiple things comingin?
If there's multiple or are you,is one session you're solely
working on, maybe one attributethat you're looking to change or
expand upon?
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Depends on what goal you come inwith.
Oftentimes people come in withthe very big goal, I wanna
create a.
$20 billion.
Oh yes.
That is big.
That is big.
And it takes about short threemonths, it even six months, to
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really, create a shift withinyourself.
So my program is usually sixmonths.
And then how do you, how are youworking with people so that our
community understands?
Is that a once a month?
Is that multiple times duringthe month?
I.
Every week, three weeks in arow, one week.
It is a integration week.
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So three weeks in oneintegration, one for six months.
That's wonderful.
What an incredible, incredibleopportunity, to work with your
system.
I'm so excited for you.
I'm so excited for our wholecommunity to be able to dive in
and hopefully get to work withyou on this.
What would you say when you'relooking back over all of the
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years that you've beenpracticing personally and the
work when you're working withyour mom, what has been that
biggest aha moment that perhapsyou've had along the way through
the spirit spiritual journey ofyour own and through the work
that you're doing that howimportant it is to trust myself?
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You know, those little inklings,those drops that came along the
way and which happens toeverybody.
We ignore it because we don'ttrust our intuition and we don't
trust our instinct.
But it has been right all along.
Our body is a very important,tool to have because it
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constantly tell us what's goingon and what to do, what's best
for us.
Oriental Medicine is based ontwo major theories in Indian
Young Theory and five elementtheory.
Five element would Wood, earth,metal.
Fire.
water.
Base it can affect, applies toeverything in the water.
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It applies to the direction.
East side is connected to wood.
And it's, its organs are liverand gallbladder.
If you have a liver gallbladderissue, your east side of the
house needs to be cleaned out.
Interestingly, if you have aliver, gallbladder issue, your
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liver, your east side of thehouse, usually quite messy or
have a clutter.
Interesting, just cleaning thatout energetically or doing some
feng shui'cause it's based onfeng shui, and changing.
It affects your body and viceversa.
And also liver and gallbladder.
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It's connected to wood and it'scolor is green, and earth's
color is yellow.
When we learn to listen to ourbody.
When you get to trust to listento our bodies, we do things very
instinctively and intuitively.
When you get up in the morning,when you open up the closet, you
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don't know why you wanna wearthis green shirt that you don't
usually wear.
But our left brain comes inrationalized no, that's dumb.
You, you don't, that's not yourcolor.
You shouldn't wear that.
So is when you just follow yourintuition, you just go, go with
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it.
Especially some things just cometo you.
And also five LM is also based,can be applied to taste as well.
So sweet, salty, and so on.
So when you in tune our body,our bodies also tell us what
would be best for us each dayand each meal.
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I'm so fascinated by this and Ikeep hearing, do you remember
what West is like?
I know for me, like I lovefacing West, west is part of my
success.
Energy feng shui wise.
And I have to see a sunset, Ihave to, that's my completion of
the day.
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When I don't have that, I feeloff.
Ideally, I like the sunrise andthe sunset, but there's this
pool about the west and I alwaysfind it fascinating.
And that's, spleen and theheart.
And heart and pericardium.
Heart.
And pericardium it's fire.
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That is very fascinating.
I, yeah, I had, how do I wannasay it?
A heart situation, about sevenor eight years ago that had come
up.
Mm-hmm.
When I was out west, it was veryinteresting how it just happened
and I've always, my energies aredrawn to the west.
Even though I grew up in theeast, I don't resonate with that
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anymore.
I'm cl like I, the closer I getto the western part of the
United States, the more calm Itend to be.
Mm.
Yeah.
It's fascinating.
Yeah.
And it's also of, or so that'sthe time of the day too.
A two, starting from 3:00 AM to5:00 AM is long time.
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And the five to 7:00 AM is alarge intestine in 10 time, and
I found that a lot of myclients, one of whatever the
symptoms they might be goingthrough, it always affect that
time of the day or you wake upmiddle of the night or that
specific time of the day, andthen organ connection and the
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the element connection there aswell.
I feel like you need to write abook and there needs to be a
section so that I could gothrough it and go, oh, I woke up
at three o'clock last night.
I know intuitively, that's whenthe veil is thinnest.
Also, it applies to this organ,which brings me to this
subconscious thought.
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I think this is a fabulous bookfor you.
Okay.
I think this would be like sucha Bible kind of book, you know,
to be able to open up and go,oh, the West means this, this
time means this organ, thiscolor.
There isn't a book like that.
There's, you can do the fe shuihere.
You could do organ and emotionshere and affirmations, but
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there's nothing.
This culminating.
Okay.
And your system is aboutawakening the whole of the body.
I think this would be phenomenalfor you.
Okay.
I would think about that.
I just always thought thisinformation has been handed down
to us for generations for by thelast 5,000 years.
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But perhaps people might to,might need to hear this in more,
simpler or simpler.
Yes.
Digestive way.
Exactly.
Like Louise, I don't know ifLouise Hayes book.
You open it up.
If you're having a pain, you canopen it up.
Look at the pain area.
There's a theoretical reason asto why, and then there's the
affirmation to help you releaseit.
(29:19):
Mm-hmm.
But, but everything that you'redescribing, I just think is so
important.
There's bits and pieces yes.
Everywhere, but there isn't thatone place where someone can go
to.
And I, I only know because Iwork with so many empaths and
highly sensitive people, andthey always ask me for something
similar, but in our aspect ofthe world, and I think if you
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did a book like that, wow.
It could be so impactful.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
In layman terms for everyonebecause it's just, it's not
there.
Okay.
Yeah, I think it would be hugefor you.
I really do.
That might've been the downloadintuitive messaging coming
through, by the way.
Okay.
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Wink, wink.
I love this.
And especially going and sittingand creating this in a vortex in
Sedona.
I just don't think it gets anybetter than that.
Yeah.
Ultimately, what I wanna sharewith the people is about.
Just going inside, there's atools within us and if you just,
we just get to listen to ourbody bodies'cause it's
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constantly talking to us andwhat to wear, what color of
clothes, what kind of taste,food that might be more
harmonious for you for today,which direction to go to, how to
arrange your furnace in thehouse to bring more chain to the
body.
It's constantly speaking to us.
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Oh my gosh.
I want this book.
I wanna pay for the advancedcopy.
Please.
Yes.
So much.
Yes.
I'm not even kidding you.
Because everything that you'resaying is so important and to
understand, and especially inour day and time right now where
there's so many distractions outthere.
Everybody wants to come inwardor people within our circle, we
all wanna come inward.
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We all wanna align and simplify.
Yeah.
And be grounded.
You're offering it all in suchan amazing mastery system, and
now we could have the Masterybook.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
I really do.
I have such goosebumps aboutthis for you.
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I'm so excited.
I, my brain is already likethinking and trying to figure
things out, so I'm happy to helpyou with it.
I'm happy.
I, have helped quite a fewpeople that have come on the
podcast.
With the next steps that theywere going in their businesses.
And one actually happened to bean author and she came to me and
there was a piece of the bookthat she was missing the puzzle.
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And we did a session togetherand there were three books
suddenly that came outtanowhere.
It was really cool.
So I love being able to shareand help and this just feels so
impactful and so important rightnow because, as you know, we're
all, we just wanna ground.
There's so much going on, and ifwe can begin to look simpler at
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our lives and understand howimportant it is to declutter and
understand what the direction ofthe west means, or why I am
craving so many sweets today, I.
Why are you craving comfort foodtoday?
It's probably a very rationalsituation, you know, a rational
thing, but we don't always payattention like you're saying to
our bodies.
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So what is one piece of advice,Vanya, that you would give to
our listeners to help them comeback into themselves?
To be able to come home tothemselves?
Our thoughts are not us.
It's like the clouds water underthe bridge is just passing
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through.
And as long as we don't do threethings, we don't, trying to get
rid of it, if especiallynegative thoughts or we're
trying to not, try not tosuppress it and try not to
identify with it.
As long as we don't do thosethree things, it will pass by.
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Okay, so let's review.
We don't wanna identify with itif it's a negative thoughts.
And it's like impacting you inthis very reactive and strong
way.
Just don't do those threethings.
Don't try to get rid of it.
Just leave it alone.
Don't try to suppress it.
'cause we sometimes activelysuppress it just doesn't feel
good.
Or you identify with it if it'sa negative thought like I am
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ugly, like you identify withthat.
Okay.
And let it be okay.
Because sometimes I'll go intosay I'm having an anxious
moment, and I'll sit with myselfand try to peel it back and go,
are you really anxious?
Or are you really excited andyou're not breathing?
Are you, do you think that wouldbe identifying with it or is
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that an okay way to try tounpack it?
I think that's okay.
Way to, okay.
Okay.
I think that's important foreveryone to understand because
right now I think there's somany people that are afraid to
do the wrong thing.
When it comes to working withtheir body or manifesting in
their subconscious, and I justwant people to be okay with
their vessel and their templeand honor it and love it.
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Definitely, definitely givingsome time with ourselves is
always good and important.
Being still, as you know, that'sthe most powerful thing we can
do for ourselves.
But during the day, throughoutthe day, you have to take care
of so many tasks, and thisthought is to keep bombard
bombarding at you and you justlet go of those.
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With those three you will pass.
But if we give, we do any ofthese three, we give power to
that thought.
And that's then where thepotential energetic block comes
in.
Yeah, because now we're holdingonto it.
Exactly.
Now let's become a new handbag.
Okay.
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We don't need a new handbag.
No, no.
Then it ended up creatingblockages in your meridian
system and block one of those365 points.
That in and of itself needs tobe a book.
We're gonna have to do a wholepodcast around that.
And the acupuncture of when youwere blows, my mind still blows.
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Never heard those two things.
There's so much that I feel thatis so powerful within you that
the world needs to hear.
On such a big platform, and I'mso honored that you chose to
come on the show and be a partof our community and start with
our community.
It means so much to me.
Thank you.
I'm honored to be on yourpodcast.
(35:44):
Thank you.
Thank you.
To be here.
Yes.
Well, as we begin to close outthe show, I always ask this one
question, what is maybe onething that no one knows about
Banya?
I don't think it has anything todo with the healing that I do.
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That's okay.
But when I was young, especiallyin grad school, I used to crash
wedding.
In New York.
New York.
So those people, oh, I lovethis.
Who had weddings?
Maybe in the photos I might beshown in the wedding.
Photos I was not invited.
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Did you go and like eat cake anddrink the champagne?
I did all of it.
We should be best friends.
That's phenomenal.
I love that.
Oh, well part of reason that Idid was I told you that I had a
depression.
And I wanted to be around peoplewho are happy and one of the
best place to go.
It was a wedding I.
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Yeah, everybody's happy.
Second place.
Second place is airport,especially international airport
arriving section.
When you feel down, these arethe two things.
Crashing wedding is somethingthat I don't usually recommend,
although I did it.
The second one is just going tothe arriving section in
international, you know, areaand just sit there and watch.
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Loved one unite.
Oh.
That just fills your heart.
Fills your soul.
Yeah.
Yes.
I used to love going there, justI cry with them like I'm
complete strangers, but I justlove people, loved ones reunite
and hugging and kissing.
It was so beautiful to watch andit just filled my heart.
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Those are two really cool thingsto share that no one may have
known about you.
I love that.
The wedding crasher thing, Ithink we should bring it back.
I used to be a wedding plannerfor a long time, and acro, I
loved it.
Obsessed, like I love planning aparty now.
I'm obsessed with decorating myhouse anytime I can for any
celebration like you say,because it makes you happy.
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You know, I'm the girl that assoon as Hallmark plays their
first Christmas movie inOctober.
My house gets decorated.
I wanna stretch out thathappiness in that season, so I'm
with you on that.
But yeah, we should crash someweddings in Sedona.
It's harder to do here, but I,I'll try once, but didn't work
out.
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Oh, no.
Well, maybe we can bring it backtime.
Oh my gosh, you're fabulous.
I love you so much.
Will you share with ourcommunity where they can best
get in contact with you andlearn more about you and your
services?
Just go to my website.com, andalso for your audience, our
offer, free clarity sessions.
(38:35):
You can sign up for a littleshort session with me.
Wonderful.
I think everyone should go anddo it.
I know I'm definitely gonna doit because there's just so much
more for us to talk about.
So I would love to have you backon the show, anytime that you're
free because we could talk forhours.
This is fabulous.
And you are just have such greatenergy and such a wealth of
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information that I feel hasn'tbeen out there.
You know, for me alone to notthose two things, like I'm still
blown away.
I'm gonna be googling today.
I'm gonna get on my chat GPT andstart.
Learning more.
'cause I love that.
I love to learn something newevery day and our community
does, and that's what's soimportant right now.
So thank you for that.
And thank you for coming andsharing your beautiful energy.
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Thank you.
Thank you for this platform toshare, for me to share.
You are so welcome.
Well, as always, all of BonnieLim's information will be over
in the show notes, so you canhead over there.
You can click on her website andfind out all the goodies and,
look into her and heading toSedona, because I also know you
have a retreat that comes up inSedona as well, right?
(39:38):
Great.
So there is an excuse about, notthat anyone needs an excuse to
go to Sedona, but that iscertainly a good one for that.
So thank you again, Vonya forbeing here.
I'm so appreciative of you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Well, as we say everyone, untilnext time, may you live an
Empowered Life from Within
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