On the Mayne-Land

We can’t have nice things. Join Jeff, Super Solid, Shaun, and Adorna Lukes in this conversation that looks into pseudo intellectualism. Whether they are reinventing “math” or attempting to redesign the shape of our planet, you can always count on the Dunnings among us to Kruger their way into some wild takes!

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
Hello
today is why don't we like this?
Because you know how it's times one?
What's one times one one is one
To multiply means to do what?
To multiply.
To make more, right?

(00:28):
Increase in number multiply?
How can one times one equaling one
be part of the multiplication table?
It fails to satisfy the term multiply.
It doesn't multiply, does it?
What's an action times in action?
You' should have

(00:50):
multiplied an as reason reason I want you to reason.body should
reaction.
Right?
Have you ever seen an action times an action without a reaction?
Have you?
No, because every equanimity is the currency of the universe.
There's always an action times a reaction having a reaction.

(01:12):
So how can one times one equal one?
How can eight times B just be
a and not B?
What happened to consequences these are late night conversations.
These are these are this is the beginning of of our understanding.
It should fit. what kind of calculator you got?
What kind of phone you got?
iPhone?

(01:32):
Okay, go to your calculator.
No, go to the calculator, go to your calculator.
Go to calculator.
No turn.
I'm not going to my calculator.
That's what they should have said.
No, no, I'm not going to my calculator. the same to start with, turn it to the side.
Okay.
All right, now I want you to both hit the number two that the whole calculator show up?
Hit what?

(01:53):
Hit the number two.
Go to the square root.
It is the second column from the left, third row.
It'll have that square thing.
1.
1.41421, five68373095.
Now I want you two to do two separate things now.
Two separate things.

(02:14):
I want you to multiply it by two. hit times two equal, don't you do it.
And I want you to hit X to the third.
X to the third, it's going to be the three?
X to the third.
Oh, X oh, okay, I see it.
I see it.
X to the third.
Yeah, I got you.
All right, 1.1.
you didn't hit X to the third.
Yes, I did.

(02:34):
If you Oh, oh, I'm sorry, you're right, you're right.
You're right. where you are. two
square root. square root. and hit X to the third.
28, 4271, 2174, 61900.
The same value you got
by multiplying it by two.
And he just cubed it.

(02:55):
Div divided by two again, both of y'allide Divide by two.
No, divide by two, hit equal.
Now, cube it again, hit X to the third.
Yeah.
You see that, loop?
That's saying X cubed is equal to 2x, which is
equal to X plus X. That's an unnatural equation.
That's a mathematical fallacy, and that's the beginning of your math.

(03:17):
That's how I invented tangential flight because you
mad, someone programmed that lie in there li to you
and you and everyone and
all your fundamentals are off.
I just tang

(03:38):
tang.
You got to say tangle like
people to emorize those super long numbers and be like he's smart.
He is smart.
No, that's that's that's a big part of it too.
Like that's why he memorized it.
Like, look, we were talking about like uh listen, we talk about all the time

(03:59):
um dictionaries being uh,
uh being what what is it called?
Descriptive and not prescriptive.
And and he used the pre he used a
descriptive definition of multiplication that is based
upon our society because when we say, oh, you're multiplying,

(04:21):
huh?
Are you are you really you're rebuttling this?
Like, I'm that's what we doing.
We just
Yes.
Yes, both.
Anyway, but listen, he used a
descriptive definition of multiply because in our society when we say,

(04:45):
oh, yeah, the niggas over there is multiplying or y'all
just in the house multiplying, we mean y'all making babies.
Y'all making more people.
Y'all are making more.
The niggas is getting more people on their side.
That's what we mean.
But to multiply is it just means
to to talk about how many times you have something.

(05:07):
So like one times one equaling three doesn't make
any sense because we're t math math is based within units.
A lot of math is based within units.
And so when you have something one time
and there's one unit, then the the
number of units is is like the number

(05:27):
at at that point, the number of times.
Because if you have like like when we talk about if I have this, this is my makeup settler.
I have
this one time, then this
times one is one because this is only one.
If I have this two times, then this

(05:47):
times two is two of these.
If I have this three times, etc., etc.,
et cet. in math, that is what we mean by multiplication.
How many times
you have something.
If you look up, I actually looked up to make sure I was right.
If you look up multiply, it means to obtain from a number.

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another that contains the first number, a specified number of times.
So what that means is is that you look at the the
individual thing, the individual unit, and how many times
you have that unit is what you multiply that unit by.
this came in a two pack and I bought two

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of these two packs then I would have two units
two times making four units so two
times two is four that's how multiplication
in math works so one times one equals three just doesn't make
sense. since we're

(06:50):
down this rabbit hole, I'm I'm going to just do the algebra part.
And so if two equals x squared, right, two equalsared.
The square root of x squared is x.
And so if you cube that, that's x to the third, that's what we
got, that's x to the third and if two equals x squared if you multiply
it by two, that's x times x squared, which is x to the third,

(07:10):
so he's just doing what we call it tautology, which
is x to the third equals x to the third and he's like that's un an unnatural equation,
but I don't even know why we like what the response
should be is why are you here?
Like why are you on a podcast talking to us fools?

(07:31):
Like even if you were right and you did this revolutionary
shit, why ain't you at MIT or something going like yo, y'all don't know what you're talking about.
One times one is three so they can laugh you out the building.
Why aren't you doing that?
And and I I do want to say an unnatural
equation sounds so strange to me because math is a

(07:52):
social construct and it's unnatural in general.
Like we made it up.
Like math is not naturally occurring in nature.
Like if you go outside right now, a tree is not like,
I have one unit of leaf and if I times this unit of leaf, like
trees are not doing that, bro like it's so weird to me.

(08:12):
It's so weird.
He said it's it was so odd.
He said, yeah, multiply means to make more of.
So how do you go?
So he's like, how do you still just have one of?
Like one of it?
Solid space.
Now say that say that again one more time.

(08:36):
was it because
he said.
So one, how don't
have more gosh, this is so.
Insane, insane.
So that's a palate cleanser for me to say that,

(08:56):
you know, welcome again to another episode of the end of a species podcast.
And we have we we're going to talk some about some fun stuff
uh on today's episode and, you know, it's it's something that I wonder about.
We all talk about it.
It's like why why is there a rise in like this pseud

(09:20):
I think Jeff is so on to something that the government doesn't
want him to say no actually literally
this the CIA is watching they don't want they
don't they don't want me talking about this but I'm going to talk about it anyway.
but for real, like why is there a rise in pseudo intellectualism?
That's that's the the question, right?

(09:42):
Why is it that um people go
to the Joe Rogan show and the Joe
Rogan experience and say, hey, I found the secret that nobody else knows
and that's the thing that they have, right?
Um, but I'm Jeff from the end of a species.
I'm here with super solid Sean and Adorna, and

(10:05):
uh I want you guys to talk about stuff while because the
studio kicked me out, I have to reset the uh
the other clip that we're going to talk about.
But um, yeah, one times one equals three, I guess.
I blame Trump.
I don't.
I actually don't.

(10:25):
I do not. oh Jesus.
Well,
I blame fascism in general, because there
in times of fascism you're taught not to trust
your own eyes.
You're taught to, you know, question everything.
You're taught to, right, that there's everything

(10:48):
you knew was actually a lie without actually given
the uh being given the foundation to
find the truth without being taught how to find the truth
instead, uh just latch on to whatever
is the fringe ideology, right?
That's something that I think is very common, right?

(11:09):
If we pizza gate.
Let me ask, let me ask something real quick.
What are we uh
I'm going to do the thing um that people
do uh when they want the class to know something.
What do we what do we mean when we're talking about fascism solid?
The belief uh well, we're

(11:29):
talking about palindeneticationalism.
We're talking about the consolidation of power into
the hands of a perceived, rightful group, um
uh characterized by the love for
an a charismatic autocratic leader.
Okay. um Yeah, and uh
we done through meat by means of like absolutely

(11:52):
dismantling society.
So palongenic as in the uh
kind of backward looking ofity.
Yeah, like palenetic refers to like a rebirth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We used to be in power.
We've lost that power

(12:13):
and we need to get back in power kind of thought process Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah. um From
the ashes shall rise some something something like literally this.
Is it any wonder why so many fascists so
much fascist paraphernalia has phoenixes on it?

(12:36):
Because is that the plural for Phoenix phoenixes?
oix phoenix Phoen?
No, I think it's Phoenix's.
I think it's just phoenix.
I think it's I think it's like fish
Yeah, because you can just say
fishes, but it like most people just say there's a bunch of fish over there or there's a lot of fish.

(12:58):
Like it's just it's Greece.
I saw of phoenix.
Yeah, I would say phoenix is.
I feel like all right No, I mean I guess.
That does make sense.
accessibility accessibility

(13:20):
of, I don't know, of being able to be seen.
So there's so many more people that have the ability to
to spread information.
And so pretty much their um thing
there there's validation everywhere, I should guess be able to say.
Anyone can have a TikTok channel and we see people who are super

(13:43):
unintelligent and then they have like 500,000 followers.
So
the ability for anyone to have a following, right?
and then because they have a following and because they're so obscene,
then it's just like, well, this person must be smarted. they must be some saying something that would.
I think that perhaps the social media the rises of social
media and all these other things, podcasts, et cetera,

(14:04):
just make it so that anyone can be smart now. smarter.
I think it's more
of I think that I think the platform comes from
the uh lack of smarts because
this is this is a thing I've noticed on TikTok and the reason why I say this is because

(14:28):
um of this reason, uh Adora, uh this
is a thing this is a pattern I see on TikTok as well
as I saw it when I was big on Twitter.
I saw it on Twitter, um
Facebook, like anywhere really, any any place,
is that it's more appealing to be

(14:49):
it's more appealing to know things that other people
don't know than it is to just know information.
So like if you know something, like if you say
something and people don't know that, like if you say things like uh that that are outrageous,
uh and people just don't know it and you sound super confident saying it.

(15:11):
It sounds like it it might have some
merit and it sounds like you're super smart
because you know something that other people don't know and that's where the platform comes.
And that's where like the thoughts of like
just wild and crazy stuff that people believe on
uh different platforms or whatever.

(15:32):
uh that's where that's where these things come from.
Yeah, I have a friend that says, uh, if you say anything
with confidence, um people will believe it.
That that's the thing. um I also think that
we I say this a lot, that we practice uh
as as as humans.
We we do a lot of in group outgroup dynamics.

(15:54):
We say, okay, uh if you're the cool kid, you get
to sit at the cool kids table, everybody else does not and ha ha, we point.
But there are some of those in group outgroup dynamics that make sense.
Like if you're part of the group that's currently working on
how we circumnavigate the globe and you're
doing all the math and you're getting a checked by your peers and you've done so much study

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and or you're into geology or and that's
your field or you're an archaeologist, that's your field.
You're doing a whole bunch of stuff to make sure you know what you're talking about.
And that in group makes sense.
And then somebody else, I mean, I'm not you don't necessarily have
to be a a deg like have a degree, but do the
work and learn what it is.

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And then some other people are like, well, I I want to be smart too.
I can watch 10 YouTube videos because going
to school for 10 years is or reading a bunch of books that's so
hard, but I'm just going to watch a whole bunch of YouTube videos. and
then I know this thing and I just took a shortcut
and wouldn't it be great if I did the thing that you see

(17:01):
in the Disney movie and I just revolutionized this industry through a montage
as opposed to like the actual like, hey,
stuff in like uh I think about, uh the the
uh Avengers endame where Robert, uh Robert.
Tony Stark is trying to figure out time travel and it's like,

(17:21):
oh, this is impossible to figure out ten minutes later.
I figured it out at like that they
look at that and they're like, oh, one times one is three, y'all.
And that's how I found out about tangential
what tang literally
tang is insan.

(17:42):
I don't know if you all have ever heard me say this, but like,
yeah, conspiracy theory gives you the benefit of
feeling like the smartest person in the world without the labor
and the cost of actually having to do the work to be so
literally this.
Which which why?
why Which is why, well, it's it's the reject it's the like they need it.

(18:06):
Like most of the conspiracy theory, like especially
uh the one that we had just watched with with Terrence, um
he he needs to reject uh actual knowledge.
That's why he said someone programmed that lie
into your uh into your calculator.

(18:28):
Because the things that you know, the things that they
taught you, the education that you would go and have
and learn is invalid and it has to be
because what I'm saying is invalid,
but I can't have you combat that with actual knowledge.
If you have actual knowledge of something, that

(18:50):
needs to be like thrown out altogether,
which actually leads me back to panogenetic
alternationalism, because the entire point of fashion, like
you said, um, you said solid, the entire point
of fascism isn't us over them.
and it's regardless of the actual

(19:12):
information that is that is being taught to you and
that is being told to you and that needs to be thrown out,
which is why they burn books, which is why they
they ban certain educational actions, facilities.
Teachers can't teach about this and you
can't teach your children about that or whatever else it may be because

(19:33):
that has to be thrown out in order to put us
over them because it's not fascism.
It's not made to make sense.
It's just made to make certain demographics of people happy.
right?
And you know what's hilarious to me?
Is that in your face, they'll say, you want me to use pronouns?

(19:56):
What are you the thought police?
Right?
And then it's like, don't you understand that you're
being the thought police by refusing to use the pronouns?
Like you want to stop me from using, right?
Also, you just said me
right.

(20:16):
You just right.
You, me, I all of those.
And it's hey, I'm going to deconstruct
language.
What?
No, let's just use it.
Just say the thing you want to say.
You're doing it wrong. um
I always like I I also think about utility.

(20:38):
Like if one times one does equal three, what does that mean?
Like, what does that what are you bringing out into
the world outside of a thing that you can say while
grabbing peanuts at the bar that everybody else
has touched and you're like, hey, did you know one times one equals three?
You're not really doing anything.

(20:59):
Even if you're right, you're not adding like there's no utility to that
tidbit of information.
I think the most
I think the most one of the most dangerous parts about this is that like
Trence Howard is rich and famous.
And so, like the things that he says
and he does and actually hurt people,

(21:21):
like we have people who have done things that have harmed people.
And I mean, at that like what I'm thinking about right now was just billionaires.
So I hope it happens again, but we have uh like
Ocean gate where uh you have a guy creating a submersible going into water
out of fiberglass, which does not

(21:41):
have a good uh, what's it called strength?
like it's super strong to impact, but it's not super strong for pressure.
I can't remember what it's called um and that that's why Oceanate
imploded uh almost immediately going down, but he
thought he had something because he was like no, I know more

(22:01):
than the books can possibly teach you
because I don't I don't even know exactly why they believe that they know more.
I discovered fiberglass.
Why didn't anybody think of using that?
It's ne new.
And when people say like, hey, fiberglass is not good for this thing,

(22:23):
they go, no, no, no, no, no.
I know more than you because of some theory
that I made up or whatever else.
It's the same thing with flat earthers and people saying like, oh, the earth is flat because
I want it to be flat and everything that you've taught.
Like I've debated flat earth a couple of times and
the things that people will do is that they go, uh the

(22:45):
model of physics that you know is wrong.
This is the and they'll point to something like a whiteboard behind them..
This is the model of physics that we actually have and
they'll go into explaining it and it's just it's all wrong,
but it's because they need like in order for their point to make sense.
They need something in order to make it make sense.

(23:09):
I don't debate flat Earthers.
You guys have probably heard me say
this before that I only I need one of two things a
flat Earther needs to give me one of two things, not for
me to believe in flat Earth, but just to get introduced to the conversation
and I always say like a bank account with a billion dollars or

(23:30):
a copy of their obituary, because it's always one of two things that they're saying.
They're saying, I know something you don't and I
discovered it, or the reason you don't know it is because there's a conspiracy.
In either of those two cases I will either see I'll see one of those two.
That's what I want to see.
and uh and so that's why I talk about utility

(23:51):
because like if when when we do new math,
we're not doing new math for fun.
We're not just like some people do it, but it but
we do it so that we can figure something else out, right?
Like when you look at
uh certain quantum
physics concepts and quantum mechanics concepts go

(24:13):
into the fact that you can have a hard drive, right?
Certain uh rules that we
use in physics are the reason why we can do one
day shipping on Amazon or some shit like that, right?
Like there's a whole bunch of stuff that goes into
making the world move and when somebody
discovers something new, it turns into something and it's

(24:36):
not just, but the thing it turns into is not just like
hey look how smart aorna is it turns into
here's a new thing that makes life easier.
It used to take us so long to go across
the United States from the east coast of the west coast dysentery
and all that you know we know the Oregon trail but like now

(24:58):
we've figured out through through like just simple Newtonian
physics blight, and now we can do it in a matter of a couple of hours.
Do you know what happens when you light uh
when you set a tiny bursts of gasoline
fumes on fire in succession you
can move a car so you don't need a horse anymore.

(25:21):
Hey, that's great.
It's not hey uh
gasoline isn't really flammable.
Pass it on.
literally this.
It's all an illusion.
Pass it on.
Well, like a lot of
the things that they say, like I don't I don't debate flat
earts often, uh especially on flatt.

(25:44):
If I see specifically uh if I'm on TikTok or something,
I see specifically a flatt live, I just move past it.
But sometimes it does get brought up
and they like the things that they say are absolutely ridiculous.
But the reason why he I
don't know exactly why Terrence Howard was talking about Tan Gent before I like, but um

(26:08):
flat Earts do have like this model of flat
Earth where they say like going from one area of the earth to
the other area of the earth is would take too
much gas and a plane and that's why planes stop
in this area if the earth was round it wouldn't make sense for them
to stop in this area and this and the other and I'm

(26:29):
like no nigge you just looked at the cheap flights
yeah that layover bro I
think that's that's a good se to see I think
that's a good segue to see what one notable flattere
says and I'm I'm going to start this by saying
I'm an 80s baby, right?
And I'm a I'm a big hip hop fan.

(26:52):
So this is going
this parts of this actually hurt like physically hurt me to do.
I'm just letting you know it it like really does
Now, with that said, I
will say there are brand Nubian fans and so
this is who we're talking about is a member of brand Nubian.

(27:15):
There are brand Nubian fans that can't name five brand Nubian songs,
but with that said, this is still a considered
a pioneer in hip hop and a pioneer
in the community and somebody who's contributed
to like the the the cultural conversation for decades.

(27:36):
and then this happens.
So I'm just going to play this uh we're not going to play for long because
um I don't want to get hit with no weird stuff.
But also I can only stomach it for so long.
uh, but this is Lord Jamar on
the Godfrey podcast talking about flat earth with a scientist.

(27:58):
and yeah.
So what who's okay, who's going to go first?
Tell us Dave, why you are um
against what he believes.
How about that?
uh yeah, Flat Earth is the dumbest hoax in human history and
Jamar just watched some videos by Eric Dubay, who just views a bunch of bullshit and memorized what he says

(28:18):
and repeats it and pretends to be intelligent.
Instead, everything you say is so insanely
stupid and can be disproven with like middle school level physics.
Really?
So, yeah, we can go ahead and you can.
Do you have a working model of of a ball of a
ball that has water sticking to the outside of it?
Can you show me a working model?

(28:40):
a tennis ball?
yes, wet and no, no, no, no.
That's not water sticking to a ball.
That's saturation of a water on the ball.
I want you to show me where water sticks to the outside of the ball as it spins.
It doesn't go to the equator of the ball and spin off.
show me a working on

(29:00):
me a model.
The reason that things stick to the earth is
because the earth is extremely massive, so it generates a very large gravitational field.
When things when water falls off of a ball,
whatever ball you're talking about to the earth, it's because
of the large gravitational field exerted by the earth,

(29:21):
so when you're talking about water sticking to a ball, your desired
demonstration of gravity fails because gravity exists. things fall to the ground.
There is density and buoyancy, sir.
Gravity is not so magical things that makes things
There is density and buoyancy, sir.

(29:43):
Like, all right.
So I made fun of and Sean's dying over here.
I made fun of Sean for rebuttling the one times
one equals three, but I will say, look, if you don't know this,
if you don't remember this from just high school, look it
up the way we calculate buoyancy you have to use gravity.
So, like it's part of the equation, the force of gravity is in there.

(30:06):
Tr trust me.
And if you don't, that's fine.
Look it up, look up the how we calculate buoyancy and that's what you'll see.
So, yes, it's it's gravity, like
look so disgusted.
Because he was just saying stuff.
There's density and buoyancy and latency

(30:26):
and conductivity like shut up.
Stick for the bars, man
yeah make some songs I mean
I don't oh good I was just say there um
obviously people are upset when people say you know, just shut up and dribble dribble but but in this case

(30:51):
I mean it's it's us like it's us like
this is the thing shut up and dribble was actually insane because he was talking about something.
He was like, yeah, like racism is real and
she was like shut up nigger like it was insane.
It was insane, but this

(31:12):
like this nigga right here, he's not saying
anything like it's he's not saying anything that would
disprove like the existence of gravity.
He's not saying anything that would even question
like uh even question like the existence of gravity.
Like, um I think it was Jeff at one

(31:34):
point in time said, if we found out today that
gravity was little monkeys, like tiny little microscopic monkeys
pulling us and holding us to the
earth, then we just found out some shit that
we didn't know before, but it's still fucking gravity

(31:55):
like we just called the monkeys gravity and he
didn't say anything to combat that.
He didn't say it
shut up, shut up solid because now we can manipulate
gravity with bananas and so that is useful here.
Well yeah exactly.
But I'm just saying like we just call it gravity in general.

(32:16):
And the whole point that they're making and this is going
to sound so bad because now I'm retorting this.
um space, it's
hard to explain, but I'm I'm going to do this real fast.
Space is supposedly empty, but it's not.
It's it's just full of matter.
I think one of the best ways that we can like emulate space is water.
And I did this experiment when I was younger where that if you put something

(32:39):
big in the water and you move it, it'll create a
current and that current will drag things along it.
And that is uh at
least what I considered more so
within like space, within my experiment, the gravitational pool
of something, especially when it's moving, I use that to talk

(33:01):
about the moon when in my experiment in school.
I use that to talk about the moon and how the moon stays around the earth.
It's kind of like a current.
What it really is is that when things are
so heavy, they pull things into them
and whilst they're pulling things into them,
sometimes things are just far enough away to not

(33:22):
get pulled in and and collide with the
thing, but to just be around the thing and spin around the thing.
because space is weird.
Like it's just it's full of matter.
And so like that gravitational pool actually means something.
So when he says, do you have a model of

(33:45):
something sticking to a ball, what he means is, do you have a
model of water sticking to something round
and not falling off of it?
And the answer is actually so funny because it's earth.
Like like it's literally just earth
like Earth, like any other planet.
Like we could look at any other planet.
We have telescopes.

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We can see other planets and we can see lakes on those planets.
Like it's we've seen it in other places.
We're not the only ones with water, nigga.
Like that's not it's the thing
that's nuts to me is like all of the things
that you like you just said, looking through a telescope and you see

(34:26):
Venus, you know, oh, shit, that thatoint is around.
So you think ours is the only one that's flat, like all the shit we see,
there's billions and trillions of planets
that we're looking at and we got the flat one.
That's that's the thing, right?
But then in addition to that, hey, NASA

(34:46):
thinks it's round and they go out into space, and if you
don't believe that, well, UPS thinks it's round and they get
a shipment from China to here in two days and everybody
else thinks it's round and they get to do shit
and you think it's flat and you're still in the same town
that you grew up in like you haven't moved, but you think the earth is flat.

(35:07):
Everybody else is moving around this fucking round earth and
you're like, nah, it's flat because look at the ground underneath me that I haven't moved.
It's it's absolutely b bonkers.
Like I don't understand it.
And the thing that I the other thing that I don't
understand is, well, in a way I do is why people entertain it.

(35:29):
Like, Godfrey and Jam or Jamar are
according to them, they're friends.
And so if look,
it's solid, if you said to me like, yo, I got this idea, I want to put on it
on the on the pod. uh I don't think ducks are real.
I think they're actually all Muppets.
I would be like, I don't

(35:50):
I don't think I think it would be more fitting because I solid
does not believe that pigeons are real.
Solid believes that pigeons of that true.
It's true.
I don't
believe the biggest conspiracy is that French doesn't have a 70.

(36:13):
It doesn't true.
We'll talk about that later, right now I want to get on this pigeons
But it look, I don't care if he believes it or not.
We not doing a show about that.
I'm not going to let him come out here and be like, hey pigeons
ain't real And I got the proof right here and I'm going to just like

(36:33):
put the mic on and be like, yeah, solid, you my boy.
I'm going to put you out here looking all crazy.ah, because they going look at
like right now if I look at Godfrey, I'm like, but you boys with that, right?
That's your boy, right?
That's that's your man, your man, your man.
Showed me a model of a bird that eats pizza.

(36:56):
It's visibility where people, because
someone will have heard Terence Howard or heard this guy
and and they're actually going to believe it and knowing that you have
the ability to impact all of these other people,
like we see people on lives all the time now like TikTok lives
that have no business having a alive, right?
But there are.

(37:17):
Yeah, they're going to be people that are in there.
They're going to be people that make them feel smart, they have an audience
and then more and more people are going to be like, I have the opportunity to have an offer the audience and they're just going to be saying these things
No, I hear that.
I hear that.
I think I don't think you're wrong at all.
I just think that it originates in,
um, like this idea of knowing something that other people

(37:40):
don't know is what makes you smart rather than
just knowing information, even if everybody else knows it,
making you smart.
Because uh there's I've seen I've
seen it happen, especially on TikTok, where people will
change the way that they define certain things.
Because, I mean, you know, definitions are changeable,

(38:02):
but they will change the way that they define certain things
just to get a gotcha on some people.
And I'm just like, don't don't do that.
That's not that's not honest one. uh
and number but number two, you're enabling, or at least I believe, you're
enabling the people who do the same things just with
information and they can just be like, hey,

(38:24):
uh the earth isn't the earth isn't round.
It's flat and you didn't know that it was flat, so that makes me smarter than you.
And that's where I think I I don't know.
That's just where I think the um
platform comes from.
Jeff is going to be mad, but I am going to bring up Socrates.
That's cool.

(38:46):
I look, I actually won't be mad because
even though I don't really think Socrates existed,
whatever's attached to him, like whatever thoughts
are attached to him, that's that's pretty solid.
Okay.
Hey you see what you did there super solid.

(39:06):
hey
uh so at its core, right?
I don't believe intelligence is about how much you know.
I think it's about how good you are.
Excuse me, sorry.
I think it's about how good you are at searching for the truth.

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right?
And that was the whole thing.
It was like Socrates is or I I think probably
Plato's whole thing was that um admitting to yourself how little you know
is how you begin the journey to actually becoming smart.
Right?
To actually becoming wise.
Do you do you

(39:50):
all think there's some way to encourage
people to like, hey, you know, it's actually
kind of cool to admit you don't know some shit.
um know, hey,
hey, yo fam, come on over here and theymit your ignorance with me.

(40:12):
Oh
The fucking the youth pastor of
of admitting your wrong.
I do think he literally says.
I do think that
well, I well, first and if there is, I think what we
need to examine first is the issue.

(40:32):
And I think we need to agree on what the issue is
because if you don't know what the issue is, there's no way you're coming up with a solution.
There's zero.
There's zero way.
And um me personally, like
I said before, I believe that the issue is that
knowledge, at least on these platforms, uh TikTok, Instagram,

(40:54):
Facebook, uh, whatever, blue sky, um has become
a thing where if I know something that you don't know,
then that makes me smarter than you.
And if I know, even if it's ridiculous,
I'm still smarter than you because you'll hear people say like
I will be debating with someone and they'll say, oh,

(41:17):
you only listen to things that you read in books or you
only listen to the things that you read and that
you read in school and who made your school in the white
man and who wants you to be held back the white man.
And so of course, he going to tell you that you're not getting hired
for jobs because you black because he don't want

(41:37):
you to know that you actually not getting hired for jobss because you're
not staring at the sun long enough every day.
Like it's the shit that they say
that's like super ridiculous and I'm in your laughing,
but I'm so fucking serious, like it's the shit that they say that
it's so ridiculous that needs um that
needs to disregard the actual information because

(41:59):
knowing something that you don't know
is how they determine whether or not they're smart.
This is where the thought process of people who
say black people are the original indigenous people or
uh we're originally theors or we're actually the
Jews or whatever else it may be.

(42:20):
It's because those things are something that
people would not originally think, like we we
already know that we came from slavery.
We already know there's I have there's receipts
in my family history books.
There's and I don't mean like, I don't mean receipipts
like, oh yeah, I knew we were like, no, there are sales receipts

(42:43):
of my family members in Virginia and Pennsylvania
and saying thisigga is worth this much money and
I'm going to pay this much money because this nigga puts
out this much profit, like actual receipts
in my family history that will show me that I was enslaved
and I was brought over here at around a certain

(43:05):
time in the 1700s and they will say
no, that's not true that's falsified by
a white man and they believe it because it's something
new.
if it's the origin of um, like, why
is it that people think that they're smart when they're

(43:28):
not or that they have this information when it doesn't make any sense?
I mean, I mean, I kind of think that everyone at some point thinks that they
I mean, are are there I mean, I guess there are people that just think they're not smart, right?
I think that most people think that they have some sort
of information that other people at least don't know because it's not just about the information itself.

(43:50):
It's about how they relay the information, right?
It's about whether or not how convincing they are.
So I think that there are a lot of people who even if they realize don't
they don't necessarily have information that other people don't know or don't think that that's the only thing that makes them smart.
So I think that there are tons of people who just think that they're smart.

(44:11):
and there isn't it's just a way to get a leg up on other people.
So we always talk about so yeah, we always
talk about how, um prior to the existence of race,
like the categorieszation of the races, that there were other things that people
were enslaved on, you know, like religion, if you're a pagan or
you know, land or fighting over land, and this is just

(44:31):
another thing for information and the ability to have people
follow you, how convincing you are all these things are just another way to have your leg up on other people.
And so I feel like most people have think that they have something to offer
that gives them a leg up and for a lot of people that's information.
No, absolutely, absolutely.
I don't think to be as clear as I can, I'm

(44:51):
sorry, Jeff, to be as clear as I can, I think in in like today's
age, I don't going to sound old when I say this.
I think uh
the kids today uh tend to be and
it's more so adults than anything, honestly, but I
think that that is what the definition of intelligence
they believe, the definition of intelligence now is.

(45:14):
Like you are smart when you know something that other people don't know
and you are smart like when you're contrarian,
we're talking about being a little bit about being contrarian a little earlier,
when you're contrarian and that uh you being like
you taking like uh the counterculture,

(45:34):
what they would call it, a viewpoint towards something and
throwing out like the information that you learned in school
or college or read in a book or whatever else. and
it's information that a person doesn't know, even
if it's ridiculous like one times one equals three
and has nobody backing to it whatsoever.

(45:55):
They look at that and they go, I'm intelligent because
I know how to do the contrarian thing.
And that's what intelligence is being contrarian.
is what I believe.
I agree with that, but I I
don't think it's just limited to like the gotchas we see on social media.

(46:17):
People are out in the street, like out in the wild in real life having these conversations, right?
It's it it's something that you can see mirrored in
the conversations that people have around politics where
they're like, well, this thing is happening and they're
not just saying it like in some debate format.

(46:38):
They're just saying it at Walmart, like talking to each other.
Can you believe that they did this and the unemployment is this and
it's all stuff that you got one of these things
in your hand and you can look it up, but no, none of that.
We're just going to say the thing.
Literally this.
You know how many people would ask me at

(46:59):
bars or at like just outing events.
They'd be like, who do you like it was before, uh
before this last election.
Like, who do you think won the election?
And I'm like, there's numbers, bro.
Like there's numbers and they really think
that they are like saying some next level shit because they're like n n na na n.

(47:20):
Biden didn't win.
He's not the president.
Trump's the president.
He actually won and they really think that that contrary
in view is something that makes them intelligent
in the wild, like in real life the DD facility.
I'm not joking.

(47:42):
I'm not joking here. um I
had a conversation the other day with uh with a dude.
I'm not going to call it a debate because I specifically told the man
like I'm not here to debate you but he made the assertion
that, uh, when inflation
went up in uh 2021, 2022, the
reason it went up was because there were vaccine mandates.

(48:05):
And when you yeah, and when you send people home,
right?
Because they don't want to take the jab and
they, you know, there's a mandate and so they, uh,
they get fired, that drives up inflation.
And without going too far into
all the the stuff, like the only thing I said to him was like,

(48:27):
what math did you do to to get to the number that the inflation went up?
And this man said to me, what do you mean math?
And I thanked him like I I found myself in
that moment being like really grateful for the answer because I said, that is an honest answer.
It wasn't like you said, yo, I have some some calculations

(48:48):
in a notebook over there and I'm not going to show them to you.
You actually said, I have no fucking clue what math is right now.
What does math have to do with these numbers I'm giving you?
Like that's what his thought was
and I'm like well thank you.
That's the perfect answer because now I know I don't
have to like engage with you at all on this level.

(49:10):
I can go I'm and Jerry level and just go,
hey, which one of us is going to hit which of us with a hammer and
who's going to paint the door on the side of the mountain who's going to run into it?
That's where we're at.
Like what do you mean math for like one of the most complex
economic principles that that can exist?
What drives prices?

(49:31):
to me, it's like you're saying, what do
you mean electricity when I'm like, well, I need to light my house at night?
Like, what do you mean electricity?
I don't I don't know what that's about.
That's what you're're saying to me and and so you're not a serious person.
That's cool.
You you're up here like cosplaying and intellectual.
That's awesome.

(49:53):
I love that for you, but I'm not
gonna engage with like debate you.
But that's why I said, and I know I'm not explaining
it well, but that's why I said I feel like it'sibility.
Oh, thank you.
The accessibility of visibility.
Because as soon as you said what the person thought, I
was like, oh, and then I realized I did not hear that on your life.

(50:16):
I actually just heard that last night that same person,
because it was the same argument on it was Chris
Parker and Dean or did a combined lie.
And that person was on the and I heard the argument on that one.
And I feel like without the visibility, right,
to kind of feed whatever it is his thought is,
if he he'd just gone if he' just spoken to you and you'd

(50:38):
squash it and it was like, oh, that's ridiculous and explain why, that would have been the end of that.
He would have probably thought this was a silly thought, right?
But the fact that he has the ability to go on a million other
lives have people in comet sections say,
you know what, that makes sense.
That's true.
And he has the ability to keeping, makes
itate again, no.

(50:59):
I think you're no, 100%, 100%.
I don't think you're like I said, I don't think you're wrong.
I just I'm talking about what I believe is the original
reason they say the thing.
I absolutely think you're 100% correct is
that when they get that validation, like on on
some sort of platform, then they are just like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

(51:23):
Now let me be more contrarian or let me double down on my contrarianism.
No, absolutely.
But I will say I do think that there's a difference between black
contrarianism and white contrarianism.
Like I think that like these things kind of stem a
little bit from the same place, but there's a re the reason why
more black people would believe like black people who believe

(51:45):
that the moon landing was fake is different than what
white people believe about the moon landing being fake.
And most black people what I think it is is that most
black people, we've been lied to our entire lives about
everything, about everything, everything, everything.
We go outside.
We're getting lied to about

(52:07):
uh, uh, what is happening in our own neighborhoods.
We're getting lied to about what's happening with the water in our households.
Like I make the joke all the time on TikTok that like I grew up
in DC. I make the joke all the time on TikTok.
It was like
I had lead in my drinking water. uh when
I was growing up, so I might not be all the way there.

(52:28):
That's a real thing.
I actually had lead in my drinking water.
That's not a joke.
Like that was a real thing.
My mother did not like after a while, my mother did not
let me, she still doesn't to this day when if I'm with her, does not let me drink from water fountains
uh because public water systems had led in the drinking water.

(52:49):
That was a thing.
We drank from brit filters.
Like it was it was a thing.
and so we were lied to about the water we drank.
So a black person being like, did we actually go to the moon?
I feel like isn't as far fetched or a
black person saying, is the earth actually flat isn't as far fetched?

(53:11):
The issue that I have with it is that black
people tend to think about
like our oppression as something that
is that can be contrrarian as well.
Because it doesn't stop at, is the moon landing reel or is the earth flat?
It is, are we actually descendants of slaves?

(53:32):
Or are we actually indigenous people?
Did we actually come from Africa or
is my lineage, X, Y and Z?
And I and I know one of the bigger reasons as to why,
especially black Americans.
Akatas, like I like to call us, um
American descendants of slaves, no relation to adults,

(53:52):
the niggas as bitches, fuck the niggas. um the the
like the the thing, the reason why they believe
that they're so quick to believe different things
is because our history has been erased.
In my family history, the receipts
that I tell you all about about my family history of like, yeah, we're

(54:16):
selling this person to this farm and this stuff and the other, like in my family
history, there is nothing.
Oh shit, there is nothing before that.
ero things before that.
Now what ship we came off of, not what
country we came out of, not what who captured

(54:36):
us in whatever country, there is nothing before
that, and so for black people to be like, actually, since there's
nothing before this receipt of me being sold, what
I actually think was was that it's lost information
and I actually came from Mississippi because I'm Egyptian and Mississippi is in Egypt.

(54:57):
Or they say, actually, what happened
was I didn't come from West Africa.
I came from Israel because I'm the original Jewish
people and and there's nothing before that to combat that.
So they just say it because it's at this point nobody knows it.
And so now they can get that platform and they can be contrary in that way.

(55:20):
And it contributes to them, like especially black Hebrew
Israelite or a lot of the times Moorish people, it can
contribute to their hatred of who they believe
uh pushed forward the trans Atlantic slave trade, which was Jewish people.
the thing I was just going to say

(55:40):
the thing to to keep in mind is that when you have
information in your life to, like the lead in the water, the way
you find that out is by going through the process.
You don't just say there's lead in the water, you go and find the lead, right?
The way you find out, hey,
what tribe was my was my family taken from?

(56:01):
It's difficult and in some cases damn near impossible,
but there's work that you do to go get that information.
You don't just fill it in, right?
Um
so in a lot of cases people want to get
this information and when it's unaccessible to them, either
because it's actually unaccessible or because they

(56:23):
don't have the ability to go through the process of getting it,
then they just play make believe, and that's that's where you get like one times one is three, right?
Exactly this.
And this goes into this is why I believe like
black conspiracy theories tend to stem uh,
like the origins of them tend to be

(56:45):
essentially the same as like white supremacist talking points, but
it's not just fed to us by like white supremacists.
It's not just like, oh, Jewish people own Hollywood and they want black people to look bad.
And they could like like funded the slave trade or whatever, whatever.
It's black people knowing like
bits of information that everyone else does know.

(57:07):
We we know that our history was a race.
We know that like um we were
slaves and we came through the transatlantic slave trade, all
of this other stuff, but we don't know what happened before that
and romanticizing something else, especially contrarian thoughts,
is something that makes you look smart.

(57:28):
It makes people look at you and go, oh wait, I didn't know that.
Why would you think that?
And then you bring up a bunch of arbitrary things like
letters that certain kings wrote or something that
somebody said in one language wouldn't make sense in
a certain area, but that it would make sense in a different area.
And people just think that that's true.

(57:49):
I'm going to turn on my light.
It's getting a little dark in here.
I'm going to turn around like give me like two seconds.
I'm not
likeortun and I take this opportunity to say that
the people that do take the shortcut for data

(58:10):
are part of the Bob and row six collection. um
so that that's something I will say 100% is that, oh, let me take that off.
I don't want to cover Sean's Mike or a
camera rather, but the Bob andow six collection has six seats of designs
and they are a shirt, a hoodie and a a an

(58:31):
iPhone case because F the other phones, right?
um and basically they are
each each design highlights another person who
should be in the audience, right?
Like when it when it comes to a conversation about round
earth and Flat Earth, everybody on that podcast that we saw,

(58:53):
and maybe with the exception of Professor Dave, should sit this one out.
Like you're you're not you don't have the the the chops for it.
And that's what this collection um
is basically for.
It's to highlight specifically the people who are
on stage should not be on stage, like
they have no no reason to be there, but they're on there anyway.

(59:18):
So grab your uh part of that collection
today.
I don't know what the salute oh, I'm sorry, but I was
just going to say it definitely makes sense the idea um the difference between um
the distrust that black people would have and the distrust that white people would have in that

(59:43):
I mean, we've been lied to about so many things for
the purpose of making white people look good.
Right?
So, you know, Abraham Lincoln he loved the slaves.
You know, he just wanted to, you know, stuff like that.
So then when you say something else, like, you know, you know, they landed on the moon, you're like,
just trying to make white people look good.
There's, why do you why don't you trust yourselves?

(01:00:06):
Like that's
I think we I feel like I do the segues into it.
Jeff, you should probably in this podcast with the song Whitey's on the Moon.
but um yeah, no, absolutely.
I don't know necessarily what the solution would be, because
I do know that like black people we' lied to so much, that

(01:00:29):
we romanticize certain things and we'll start to believe in contrary
in thoughts because that's why most nigas believe the earth is flat.
They don't they haven't done like Jeff said, they haven't done any of the work.
They haven't looked at any of the models.
They don't understand like physics or gravity or anything else.
This nigga said there's density and there's buoyancy

(01:00:51):
whilst talking about gravity not being valid.
Like that's he hasn't done any of the work.
He hasn't done any of that.
He just believes that niggas have been lied to for a long time,
and this is something that is going against the mainstream narrative.
It's the counterculture, what they call it a lot of the times.

(01:01:11):
And so that's probably what I should believe
in because the things that aren't counterculture are
probably something that white people want me to believe.
And that's that's where a lot of black people are with conspiracy theories.
And then, you know, they obviously the
Jews, they, you know, that comes in at certain points in time.

(01:01:33):
But like the whole point is, is that like
white people are lying to me.
So in order to get away from white people lying to me,
regardless of how much it doesn't make any sense, I'm going
to believe the opposite of what it is the mainstream thought process is.
and I don't necessarily know, well, I would say that's not true.

(01:01:56):
We're we're not on TikTok.
So I'm I'm just going to say this.
I do think that the solution is um a combination of things.
I think the solution is like one education because when niggas got education,
like oftentimes you realize you don't
need conspiracy theories to prove racism.
You don't need conspiracy theories to prove that black people are excellent.

(01:02:19):
You don't need conspiracy theories to know like
that like what white people are telling us or like the mainstream
thought process is actually something that that we've already combated.
Like most of the stuff that we're talking about, like when it comes
to people saying things about DI affirmative
action, anti-discrimination policies, wokeness,

(01:02:42):
whatever it is that they want to call it or whatever.
That is in spite of the mainstream thought process.
These things are counterculture.
These things are against the norm
because we live in a white supremacist, dominated society.
We live in a patriarchal, dominated society.

(01:03:04):
and talking about women's liberation is extremely
contrarian to the main
stream thing.
They just don't want to believe that because
it seems like so many people know about it
now that if they say it, they'll just be falling in line.
So they think that that is the new mainstream thing.

(01:03:25):
But I think the biggest thing is the knowledge.
And I think the second thing is that we need to stop
being so fucking nice.
Some of us are so fucking nice.
Like we tolerate so much when we
really should just be out here whooping niggas asses.

(01:03:45):
Like
like with with without prejudice, like just going
out there and whooping niggers asses.
Like as soon as you say some shit, like see me with the hands, nigga, like that part.
Like, oh, you think you think uh trans women ain't women?
See me with the hands.
Like, and I really think a lot of this shit would

(01:04:06):
just stop because niggas just not used to getting they ass beat no more.
Like like we're out here and niggas is used to
being like, oh, let me hear what he has to say and let me hear what she has to say.
And like 4an created this culture that leaked out into other platforms.
I used to be on 4an.
And what it was was it that like you can't tell a person

(01:04:28):
whether or not they're being serious
and you also cannot tell a person whether
or not they believe a person is being serious.
And that means something when it comes to like
the the the dialectic that you will have, like especially when things clash.
Because when people say, like if me and Solid were arguing

(01:04:49):
on something and Jeff was like, I think solid's right, right?
Like Let's say it's something totally and completely subjective.
I think LeBron's the goat.
He thinks Michael Jordan's the goat and Jeff goes, I think solid is right.
I can't hell.
I can't, I can't fair enough.
I can't tell Jeff he doesn't actually believe solid.

(01:05:12):
And so with the the the thought process now
is is that like, oh, well, if you believe solid,
then you're on Jeff's team.
And I like Jeff more than I like Sean, so
now I believe Michael Jordan is the goat.
And that brings forward like this thought process of

(01:05:32):
like, okay, well, now I need to follow this person and listen
to what it is that they say versus these people and
what it is that they say because I like this person.
excuse me, I like this person more rather
than it being just like we don't entertain dumb shit.
I'm going to kick your ass now.
I don't know if this makes sense, but it's like putting two things Jeff talks about this.

(01:05:56):
If you put two people who have opposing views and you just get them to like
argue it out on national television, people
think that those two views have validity,
have the same validity.
And so if you entertain that shit, then
the person who comes because who's watching the show because they like solid

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is just like, oh, well, Sean and everyone who says
things like Sean are wrong because I like solid
and anyone who solid agrees with, I agree with because I
like solid more so than I like Sean
and the people who do who like me are doing the same thing.
And it's not about the information.
It's about who you like and who you want to believe.

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And I think that if niggas just started getting a ass
beat, it would be a totally different story because
like if you saw a nigga say some shit, like imagine that shit.
Imagine if it was me a model of a ball.
Wait, what
literally that's no, I'm so fucking sign
you because in a world in

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a world where these ideas lead
to harmful behavior, I'm no longer concerned
about whether or not you agree with me.
I'm only concerned about stopping the harmful behavior.
Thank you, and rational ignorance
is a thing, right people will forego learning things if

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the perceived cost outweighs the perceived benefit.
Exactly this.
I don't like trans 100% and if I learn this
information it will force me to like trans people so
I'm just going to reject it and follow the person who
says that they don't like trans people because I don't want to like trans people.

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But if you got some hands thrown at you
for saying that you don't like trans people, you would
think about it a little more outweighs the cost.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Does anybody have any
thoughts before we sign off, I think we got to
a really good place, and that is if somebody's dumb and I don I

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don't mean like like dumb, you know, I
mean if somebody doesn't know what they're talking about and pretends to, we should just like
throw hands.
Beat that nigga's ass.ga's ass.
See that nigga outside the club.
P pull that nigga into the street and
beat that nigga to a fucking pul Take breaks,

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take a mand mandated 15 minute break
every four and a half hours you're whooping nigga's asses
and takes a 30 minute break oh, sorry,
take a mandate a 15 minute break every two and a half hours of whooping a nigga's
ass and take a 30 minute break every four hours you're
whooping a nigga's ass start throwing hands.

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I'm not joking.
And remember to drink water.
That part.
Hey, thank you for that solid and
word.
I think that's a good place to stop
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