September 5, 2025 • 27 mins
"Energy is everything and everything is energy." These words from Nini Fritz, founder of the Work Happiness Project, cut straight to the heart of our modern work dilemma. In a culture that celebrates busyness as a badge of honour, we've forgotten that productivity isn't measured by hours spent, but by the quality of our presence.
This conversation is a breath of fresh air – literally. Recorded outdoors in Sydney's Centennial Park, Nini and I explore how changing our environment can instantly boost creativity and wellbeing. But the fundamental transformation begins when we shift our relationship with work itself, moving from a transactional exchange of time for money to a purposeful expression of who we are.
Nini introduces a brilliantly simple framework: categorising activities as energy drainers (red), retainers (yellow), or gainers (green), then intentionally structuring our days to maximise what fills our cup. This isn't just feel-good advice – it's backed by Harvard's groundbreaking 85-year study showing that meaningful human connection is the primary indicator of a fulfilled life.
What struck me most was Nini's insight that fulfilment doesn't require dramatic life changes. It lives in the "micro moments" of our days – savouring morning coffee, soaking in sunshine, or engaging in genuine conversation. When we align what we do, how we do it, and why we do it, we create an internal compass that guides our decisions with clarity.
For leaders and organisations, there's a compelling business case too. People who feel cared for become more creative, productive, and loyal. They take fewer sick days and perform better, making well-being not just a nice-to-have, but a strategic advantage that transforms "Thank God It's Friday" into "Thank God It's Monday."
Would you be ready to reimagine your relationship with work? Connect with Nini at theworkhappinessproject.com or explore her eyeConnect game at eyeonnectgame.com, designed to spark meaningful conversations in a distraction-filled world.
Please share your thoughts with us, and let's build more human-centred workplaces together.
Thank you for listening!
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Leon Goltsman (00:00):
Hello and welcome back to Engaging Conversations.
I'm your host, Leon Goltsman,and each week we speak with
people who are reshaping what'spossible for our families,
communities and future.
Today's episode is a wake-upcall to reimagine how and why we
work.
My special guest is Nini Fritz,founder of the Work Happiness
(00:21):
Project and creator ofeyeConnect, a digital detox game
that helps teams ditch thedistractions and reconnect
through real human conversation.
Nini's work is redefiningsuccess, not by how many hours
we put in, but by how aligned wefeel, how energised we show up
and how meaningfully we connectfrom bucket list to micro
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moments.
She's on a mission to makeworkspaces more human and lives
more fulfilling.
We'll unpack why energymanagement matters more than
time management, why meaningfulconversations drive performance
and how small changes can createbig shifts in our personal and
professional lives.
This episode is made possiblethanks to the support of Niaz
(01:05):
Cannoth and the team at InvestIntelligence, proud sponsors of
the show and champions ofpurpose, progress and community.
Connected Futures echoeseverything today's conversation
is all about, and if you'reready to re-energise your team,
create space for deeperconnection and lead with greater
clarity and intention, thenyou're exactly where you need to
(01:26):
be.
So, without further ado, let'sget into it.
Nini Fritz (01:31):
Hello everyone, my name is Nini Fritz and I'm
passionate about people andconnections.
I am the founder of the WorkHappiness Project, which is all
about workplace well-being andsupercharging employees' energy
from the inside out, and I'malso the founder of iConnect,
which is a digital detox gamemeant to spark real connections
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in a world full of digitaldistraction.
Leon Goltsman (01:56):
You certainly epiphanize all those things
because you're full of energyand your energy is very
contagious.
Nini Fritz (02:02):
Thank you.
Leon Goltsman (02:03):
So most of us know that.
You know we spend a third ofour lives working, but that
doesn't mean we feel alive whiledoing it.
What do you think is missing inthe way we approach work today,
and how can we shift intosomething more fulfilling, no
matter what our job title is?
Nini Fritz (02:18):
Honestly, what I think it's missing is meaning
Like we became so used toexchanging our time for money
and just accepted that that'sthe way it is.
But I don't think it has to bethat way.
It doesn't mean we have to makeour passion our profession, and
it's not necessarily about whatwe do.
It's much more about why we doand who we do it with.
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So I do think once we changethe intention of why and how we
show up at work, we actuallybecome more fulfilled at work as
well.
Leon Goltsman (02:49):
Certainly, I do agree with you.
A lot of people are listeningto the podcast.
They don't actually see wherewe're working right now.
Should I tell them, or do youwant to just let them?
Nini Fritz (02:58):
Let's just keep it at.
We're working from CentennialPark, surrounded by a beautiful
landscape and nature.
Leon Goltsman (03:03):
It is beautiful, but not just that.
Look at all the people runningaround.
We're seeing all sorts ofcharacters because we're being
aware of our environment, butalso it's Friday and it's like
if we're going to work, why nottake it where we want it right?
Nini Fritz (03:17):
Absolutely.
I feel like we got to let go ofthat fact that work is all
about, you know, hustling andgrinding, and allow ourselves to
actually have fun and, you know, look at it with joy.
And then we can actually becomemore creative and productive
once we change our environmentand really find something that
lights us up, and then, you know, we become much more creative
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in our approach at work if weget out of the usual environment
and the setting, because thatreally does something to our
mind as well.
Leon Goltsman (03:50):
And it's really important to get a bit of
sunlight, because there's one ofthe benefits of being outdoors
and it's highly recommended toget some serotonin into you at
least one hour a day.
So we thought why not do ittoday, right?
Nini Fritz (03:58):
Absolutely.
I feel like the best drug onhumans is nature, so we got to
soak it in and create more ofthis self-generated happiness.
That is free and it'saccessible almost everywhere,
but especially in Australia, andeven more so in Sydney, one of
the most sunniest cities in theworld.
Leon Goltsman (04:16):
So if we can get our rush of serotonin here, I
don't know where else we can getit, and it's a good way to put
ourselves in a good mood,naturally without being on the
screens.
Nini Fritz (04:28):
Yeah, definitely we can create happiness from the
inside out.
We don't need anything external.
Yeah, that's what I'm all about.
We got it all inside of us.
Leon Goltsman (04:37):
So, whether you're running a business or a
part-time team, your energy isthe biggest asset.
How can we protect and rechargeour energy so that we show up
as our very best selves, withoutburning out or switching off
from life?
Nini Fritz (04:52):
Absolutely.
I love that question.
I generally believe energy iseverything and everything is
energy, especially in these daysnow where mental health and
burnout are at their peak time.
These days now where mentalhealth and burnout are at their
peak time, we almost treatburnout like a badge of honor,
like that it's something good tobe always busy, but you're not
always being productive.
Leon Goltsman (05:12):
So I don't get that.
I mean, people go out there,they work, they do things, they
spend how many, who knows howmany hours doing things that
could be done in a quarter ofthe time, and then you ask them
how are you going?
Oh, busy, busy.
What have you done?
Oh, I've had 20 meetings andI've done X, y, z, and what did
they accomplish?
Just busy.
Nini Fritz (05:34):
Absolutely.
I feel like busyness doesn'tequal productivity or outcome.
So, yeah, coming back to thequestion and the energy, I would
say it really starts withsetting clear boundaries,
intentional breaks and alsobeing brave enough to slow down
when you need it Instead of likepushing harder.
It's really about creatingthese intentional moments of
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slowing down.
I call it like reset tosupercharge, to actually get
more energy, instead of justrunning around on an empty
battery and trying to producemore.
We need to fill our own cupfirst and then actually give the
world from a state of overflow,and not just give it from like
an almost half empty cup anywayand then deplete our own
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batteries.
So I'm very strong on settingclear boundaries and taking
these intentional break times bydefining what really gets us
energy Like.
Look at our daily activitiesand figure out what our energy
drainers.
They're the red ones, like atraffic light, pretty much.
What are energy retainers?
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They're the yellow ones.
And what are energy gainers?
They're the green ones.
So then it's about structuringour day to maximize our gainers
and, ideally, minimize ourdrainers.
Leon Goltsman (06:51):
Well, I need to know more about that, and I know
that you've done a lot of workon that and also one of your
projects that you do.
You're going to share that withus a little bit later on,
aren't you?
Nini Fritz (07:01):
Absolutely.
Leon Goltsman (07:02):
Now we were talking about energy, and I've
always thought it can apply toanything, by the way, not just
energy.
It can apply.
Well, I suppose it can apply tomoney as well.
That's energy.
And also time you spend withpeople that's energy.
The amount of work you put ininto a project, that's energy.
So what I'm getting at is isyou want to put energy into the
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right places, and whateverdoesn't feed you eats you, so
you want to make sure that theenergy you spend is done in a
way that's going to bring outthe best in you and in others.
Nini Fritz (07:36):
Absolutely.
I'm 100% with you.
I think we should look atenergy in terms of junk food and
superfood.
Energy terms of like junk foodand superfood you know what are
the things that actually justkilling our time, like doom
scrolling and social media, andthat's taking our energy, but
it's not adding any value to ourlife unless we seek out
inspiration or use it to connectwith people, or look at it from
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like a superfood perspective.
You know what is adding energy?
What makes us feel nourished,what makes our soul feel like
we're actually getting in all ofthe good stuff?
And, yeah, we have to be veryintentional with it.
Energy is our highest asset.
It doesn't even depend on ageor money or anything around it.
It's really something that wecan activate within ourselves by
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just applying a few little minimindset and life hacks to get
the most out of it and not wasteit on the wrong things.
Leon Goltsman (08:29):
So my understanding is it's about
mindfulness.
Nini Fritz (08:33):
Absolutely.
It's mindful instead of mindful.
Leon Goltsman (08:37):
Mindful.
That's a bit of a play on words.
Nini Fritz (08:40):
Yeah, it's like just for the listeners listeners
like one is with one l and theother one is with two l.
So either your mind is full oflike thoughts and to do's and
busyness, or you're beingmindful of being very
intentional where you put onyour energy and one letter can
make a major difference in yourlife or one word.
Leon Goltsman (09:00):
If you take the word mind out, you're just left
with a fool but you can be fullof energy as well.
Nini Fritz (09:06):
So being full is not a bad thing.
It just depends on what you'rebeing full of.
Leon Goltsman (09:11):
But energy is all about making the right
connections, and we all craveconnections, but the more
connected we are digitally, themore disconnected we seem to be
personally, mimi, how did youcome to recognize the real human
connection is not just nice tohave but is essential to how we
thrive at work and in life.
Nini Fritz (09:32):
Human connection is honestly the number one
indicator for a fulfilling andhappy life.
That's just not me saying that.
It's actually the longest studyever conducted by Harvard
University.
It was like an 85-year-oldstudy, so it's something very
timeless.
That hasn't changed.
We're just social beings bynature and in this digital time
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age we actually thrive high onconnectedness.
In terms of quantityconnections let's say, thousands
of LinkedIn followers,instagram followers, youtube
subscribers but we're actuallylacking connection, and
connection is not found in thewidth, but actually in the depth
of things.
Leon Goltsman (10:14):
What's interesting?
You just said something thatwas quite coincidental.
You mentioned 85-year-oldHarvard study.
Last week I was doing aninterview and she mentioned that
study and spoke in depth aboutit.
So I'm not going to pick yourbrains on this one right now,
but it's just good to know thatsome of the most inspiring
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people that I know, and peoplefrom all different walks of life
, are actually relating to an85-year-old study which tells me
that some of the best thingsaren't always ahead of us, but
some of the things that got usto where we are today are a
result of what we could havebeen and should have been paying
attention to in the past.
Nini Fritz (10:58):
Absolutely.
I feel like you know, it'ssomething that's always been
ingrained inside the human beingthat we're social by nature and
I think in this digital worldand kind of, you know, like a
society of overachievers, webecame a little bit disconnected
from what truly matters.
But yeah, I think in the end,everyone just wants to be happy
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and feel connected withthemselves and with the people
around them.
I think that's actually thateasy to live a truly fulfilled
life, and I think that's a bitof a misconception in today's
world that it's all driven byprofit, not necessarily driven
by purpose.
Leon Goltsman (11:37):
You mentioned profit and usually people when
they consider profit they think,okay, well, we need to go and
start our own business.
And a lot of people, especiallythe business owners, feel
pressure to perform but theyseem to forget how to prioritize
personal fulfillment.
How can listeners, ourlisteners, especially our
listeners bring more meaninginto their daily lives without
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needing to escape or overhauleverything?
Nini Fritz (12:01):
There's plenty of ways to bring more fulfillment
to your life.
I think a lot of people thinkthey need to start a charity or,
you know, run a marathon and dofundraising to find fulfillment
.
But actually it's really in themicro moments of our daily
lives, like being intentionalabout how we spend our time.
It can be micro things such as,you know, sipping your morning
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coffee, soaking in the sunshineand listening to your favorite
tune.
That's some sort of like, youknow, adding to your cup,
filling your own cup first.
But it can also be about macrothings, like ticking something
off your bucket list, which I'mall about.
Living an intentional,fulfilling life by something off
your bucket list, which I'm allabout living an intentional,
fulfilling life by ticking offyour bucket list.
(12:43):
But personal fulfillment can befound in these kind of moments
and it's not necessarily aboutfinding all your fulfillment at
work, Like it's a nice add on.
But you can live a fulfilledlife and then actually show up
to your job and do it with morepassion, with more creativity
and, just you know, overflow onthat enthusiasm for life which
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then adds to your performance.
But it's not necessarily thatyou first find that fulfillment
in what you're doing.
Leon Goltsman (13:13):
I love my work.
I actually, I really love mywork.
Nini Fritz (13:16):
No, no, I really.
Leon Goltsman (13:17):
I really love my work.
There's so many aspects to itthat I love.
I.
Actually, I really love my work.
I really, I really love my work.
I there's so many aspects to itthat I love.
I mean, I love working withpeople.
I love coming up with ideas.
I wish I could say all theideas of mine, but they're not
that.
Everything that that we do,that I do is is always been a
team effort and and and I and I.
I can't wait to wake up everymorning to do what I get to do
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every day.
And you, I saw that spark.
So the first time we met,through the Chamber of Commerce,
of course, but also we'removers and shakers.
We don't wait for something tocome up to us.
Nini Fritz (13:53):
We create it.
Leon Goltsman (13:54):
We create it, we make it happen, we create it, we
make it happen.
And it's interesting that whenyou go out there, when I go out
there and I don't want to speakon behalf of everybody else, but
I know for me that when I goout somewhere with intention, it
usually leads me to that pathit's almost like I'm going out
on a journey and I still pinchmyself every day by experiencing
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the things that I do and thepeople that come into my life.
You know, and I see you, you'revery similar to me in that
sense.
How do you feel about that?
Nini Fritz (14:29):
I 100% agree Also just throwing statistics at you,
but we're living in a time ofthe most disengaged workforce,
so I would consider ourselvestwo of the lucky ones to
actually find fulfillment intheir work and get excited about
jumping out of bed in themorning and doing what we're
doing, who we're doing it withand who are we doing it for.
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And I'm so driven by my ownmission to bring exactly that
into the world, like intopeople's personal life and into
their work lives as well, tofeel more of that spark Like.
I just want more people to jumpout of bed and get excited and
feel that zest for life.
We already have it inside of us.
We just need to ask ourselvesbetter questions to get to the
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answers instead of alwayschasing this external
fulfillment.
And yeah, for me it's just abig wake-up call for everyone
out there that you goteverything that you need inside
of you.
And, yeah, it's in your ownpower to feel that zest for life
within yourself as well.
Leon Goltsman (15:32):
But that energy is also contagious and I find
that it's almost like when youhave that energy, that good,
let's do this.
Other people follow, the rightpeople, they go.
Wow, I want some of that.
Nini Fritz (15:44):
Energy is contagious .
Leon Goltsman (15:45):
It is.
Nini Fritz (15:46):
It's not just woo-woo spiritual science, it's
actually physically proven.
It's like you know, the fasterthe atoms vibe in our body, the
higher the frequency we'revibing on and we just
magnetically feel drawn topeople who vibe on a higher
frequency.
We feel inspired by them.
They kind of have this lightaround them and we just want to
get a spark of their light.
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Everyone feels attracted by thelight and if you stand there
like the sunshine, like you'rejust shining anyway and it's not
taking from you, and that isexactly why you are where you
are today.
Thank you.
Leon Goltsman (16:20):
So those people that haven't met, you don't
realize you've actually goneaway to Bali for quite a while.
Nini Fritz (16:27):
Five years, five years.
Leon Goltsman (16:29):
Yeah, but you don't need to go to Bali or do a
10-day retreat to feel aligned.
I mean, a lot of people think,oh yeah, look, this is what I
need to do to find myself.
Some people may, but noteveryone.
What does it really mean tofind internal alignment?
I mean, you're talking aboutthat, but how does that change
the way we work and the way welive?
Nini Fritz (16:48):
As someone who has actually lived in Bali for so
long, I can say that findingtrue alignment is not location
based, so you can find itanywhere.
It's more of like an innerfeeling rather than an external
feeling.
I would define it as if whatyou do, how you do it and why
you do it is all insynchronicity.
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It's an inner feeling of hell,yes, and it doesn't mean it's
always a smooth ride and itdoesn't come without challenges,
and you just, you know, walkthrough the world like a unicorn
on a fluffy rainbow cloud.
But it's this inner feeling ofyou know, you feel fueled up,
you feel like this clarity overchaos.
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You just feel like it's thisinner fuel that keeps you going
because it's connected to whoyou truly are, down at your core
.
And I think you can feel thatinner yes if you listen.
But you need to attune toactually, you know, slow down to
hear that, and I think oftenit's covered in so many layers
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and expectations of the outerworld that we don't give
ourselves permission to listenin words.
But if you do so, you can feelit and hear it and it's a North
Star that you experience.
Leon Goltsman (18:04):
Yeah, and that's really important the North Star
for those people.
The thing is just that that'sjust the symbol.
The symbol is a guide and theguide is our compass.
Nini Fritz (18:15):
Absolutely.
I feel like it's an innerguidance and once you're
connected to that, you cannotturn off that GPS.
Leon Goltsman (18:26):
People rely on their technology and their GPS
to try and navigate wherethey're going.
But the irony is a lot of theexplorers and we're going back
even before Vikings time theywould be using the North Star to
get around.
Nini Fritz (18:38):
Vikings time they would be using the North Star to
get around.
Yeah, absolutely so.
Yeah, apply that for your ownpersonal life.
Just define your North Star andthen you don't need to know
every single turn along the way.
You just need to see the next,like 100 meters ahead of you,
and then slowly but steadily,progress towards your North Star
.
It's just an encouragement foreveryone listening.
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You don't have to have it allfigured out on step one.
The path comes clear as youwalk it and you don't have to
have it figured out before youstart walking.
Leon Goltsman (19:10):
Yeah and you don't really need to have it
figured out on step two, three,four five or six.
Nini Fritz (19:14):
Figure it out along the way.
Leon Goltsman (19:15):
In fact, even if a person doesn't figure it out,
it doesn't matter, because aslong as they're moving in the
right direction, does it reallymatter?
Nini Fritz (19:23):
It doesn't.
I feel like it's better feelingoccasionally like lost in the
right direction instead of, youknow, being uncomfortable
sitting in the wrong bus, youknow you just go down a way that
you actually don't want to godown, but you're just too lazy
or it's just too comfortable toget out, so I rather feel lost
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in the right direction thanclimbing up the wrong mountain.
And what's that cheesy saying?
Leon Goltsman (19:50):
Or here's another one that I heard, which I
thought was a pretty good one.
It's like climbing up a ladderand then realizing you put it
against the wrong wall.
Nini Fritz (19:57):
That's exactly the same analogy.
I'm big on analogies.
Anyone who follows me onLinkedIn probably knows that I
compare every life situation toa real life situation and find a
lesson in it.
Leon Goltsman (20:12):
Well, you're relating something to something
that's already familiar.
Nini Fritz (20:15):
Yeah, I just want to .
I'm a big visual person, so Iwant to give people a visual
idea of how that connects tothat feeling.
Leon Goltsman (20:23):
We're learning.
Every day is a learningexperience.
Everything we do andpeople-first cultures aren't
just good for teams.
We've seen that they're alsogood for businesses as well.
Now, whether you're an employer, whether an employer is
listening to our program or anentrepreneur, how does focusing
on well-being create long-termsuccess?
Nini Fritz (20:43):
Well-being is the key driver to peak performance
People who feel better, theyactually do better.
That's statistically proven Ifyou check the recent Gallup
study.
It's all about that how peoplewho are more engaged and people
who feel taken care of by theircompany and by their company
culture become more creative,they become more productive,
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they have less sick days, theybecome loyal to the company as
well.
So you're saving a lot of costsand replacing half productive
and low engaged employees byactually investing in wellbeing
as a strategy to success.
So when people feeling caredfor, they want to perform their
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best for, like someone who'slooking after them and it's like
I want to show you that I'mworth it and thanks for seeing
me, and yeah, you just want tostick with that company, and
then profit and success justbecomes a natural consequence of
having a high performing, highthriving team.
That is then creating the bestoutcomes for your company as
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well.
Leon Goltsman (21:48):
You're also raising the bar, You're raising
the floor, the ceiling, howeveryou want to call it.
You know the level.
The standard is higher.
So it's no longer from here,but it's now from there.
So the overall standards arerising.
And then what happens is theteam begins to monitor
themselves.
You don't have to watch them,you don't have to tell people
what to do.
If you've got a competent teamand competent members and people
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who want to be there, I cantell you that sometimes those
sort of people, you just leavethem alone and let them do their
magic.
Nini Fritz (22:19):
And how excited is it if you have people who are
actually excited for CollegeTGIM?
Thank God it's Monday, you knowthey're excited to show up for
work, and then caring andlooking after your people
becomes a competitive advantage.
Leon Goltsman (22:32):
No, you're absolutely spot on.
Sometimes you've got to askyourself one question that can
change everything.
Nini, if someone listening isfeeling a little stuck at the
moment, a little bit flat, maybeeven what's the one powerful
question they can ask themselvestoday to move forward with
purpose?
Nini Fritz (22:51):
So I wouldn't be the creator of an icebreaker game
if I wouldn't pull out aquestion that's actually part of
the deck to help you find morepurpose and fulfillment in your
life.
So, leon, I picked one questionfor you from the iConnect deck
that's actually perfectlyanswering your podcast question
as well, and it is what wouldyou do if you knew you could not
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fail?
And I picked that because Ifeel like this one is really
zooming out of our limitingbeliefs.
Often we feel like money isholding us back, time is holding
us back.
Time is holding us back Likeour belief in our own
capabilities is holding us back.
But if we had a guarantee thatwe're going to be successful in
what we're doing, how much morecould we create in this world?
Leon Goltsman (23:37):
And I think it's also a lot of people that are
scared.
There's fear element, whateverthat might be.
Nini Fritz (23:42):
Fear of failure, fear of rejection, this fear
element, whatever that might beFear of failure, fear of
rejection, fear of publicembarrassment, what do other
people think?
So I feel like this questionreally takes out this element of
all these fears and limitingbeliefs.
Leon Goltsman (23:54):
That's a great question.
Nini Fritz (23:55):
Thank you.
Do you have an answer for it?
Leon Goltsman (23:57):
I do, I actually do, but I think my answer will
probably be a lot different toother people's answers, so I
think maybe we should put it outto people to email us.
Oh yeah, and come back and tellus what they're, if they want to
, of course, and even if theydon't, they should email us
anyway and tell us what theythought of the program.
So Nini people are going to getback to us.
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I'll certainly have all thecontact details in the show
notes, but these programs reallyaren't just about me.
They're about the guests andthe community and connecting
people.
So if people wanted to learnmore about you, get in contact
with you and find out how theycan either contribute, or if
people want to know more, howwould they contact you?
Nini Fritz (24:41):
For everyone who's interested in the well-being at
work like decision makers andpeople, first companies then
please reach out throughtheworkhappinessprojectcom or
just email me at nini attheworkhappinessprojectcom I
know it's a long email or findme on LinkedIn, nini Fritz I
think there's only one NiniFritz out there, definitely the
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one in the blue shirt.
And for everyone who is lookingfor more meaningful unplugged
offline connections for a bunchof better questions, then just
go on iConnect game I like the Iwe see with and order yourself
a game of meaningful connections.
Leon Goltsman (25:21):
I like it, and I think we should do a group
gameplay one of these days aswell, but there's a lot of
interesting and exciting thingscoming up, so we're not going to
spoil the surprise.
There's always somethingexciting around the corner, and
I'm sure that we will be seeingmuch, much more of you in due
course.
Nini Fritz (25:39):
I hope so.
I mean, this is all aboutengaging conversations and I do
think a conversation sparkinggame is pretty good to engage
some conversations as well.
As you know, intrinsicfulfillment and holistic
well-being, that's a greatengaging conversations because,
after all, we all just want tobe happy.
Leon Goltsman (25:59):
We do, Nini.
Thank you so much.
It's such a pleasure to haveyou on the program and thank you
for joining us.
Nini Fritz (26:06):
Thank you for having me on your podcast.
I feel very grateful to be here.
Leon Goltsman (26:11):
Now, how's that for a conversation full of
energy, intention and insight,the kind that nudges us to slow
down, tune in and take action onwhat really matters?
Nini Fritz brings a refreshingclarity to how we think about
work and well-being.
Her tools, from the iConnectgame to Work Happiness Project,
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are helping individuals andteams create space for deeper
connection, better alignment andmore meaningful outcomes.
If something resonated with youtoday a question, a moment or a
mindset shift, an invitation torealign, to bring more of your
full self into the spaces youlead and live in you can find
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everything we discussed in theshow notes, including ways to
reach Nini and explore her workfurther.
And if you're someone whovalues purpose-driven leadership
, meaningful collaboration andthe power of real conversation,
there's something special on thehorizon.
We'll soon be bringing togetherthoughtful voices from across
communities, industries andregions for an evening that's
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all about celebrating theconnections that move us forward
.
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A big thank you to Niaz Cannoth and the team at Invest
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kind of leadership thisplatform is all about.
I'm Leon Goltsman, and untilnext time, stay energised, stay
connected and let's keepbuilding something meaningful
together.
Hello and welcome back to Engaging Conversations.
I'm your host, Leon Goltsman,and each week we speak with
people who are reshaping what'spossible for our families,
communities and future.
Today's episode is a wake-upcall to reimagine how and why we
work.
My special guest is Nini Fritz,founder of the Work Happiness
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Project and creator ofeyeConnect, a digital detox game
that helps teams ditch thedistractions and reconnect
through real human conversation.
Nini's work is redefiningsuccess, not by how many hours
we put in, but by how aligned wefeel, how energised we show up
and how meaningfully we connectfrom bucket list to micro
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moments.
She's on a mission to makeworkspaces more human and lives
more fulfilling.
We'll unpack why energymanagement matters more than
time management, why meaningfulconversations drive performance
and how small changes can createbig shifts in our personal and
professional lives.
This episode is made possiblethanks to the support of Niaz
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Cannoth and the team at InvestIntelligence, proud sponsors of
the show and champions ofpurpose, progress and community.
Connected Futures echoeseverything today's conversation
is all about, and if you'reready to re-energise your team,
create space for deeperconnection and lead with greater
clarity and intention, thenyou're exactly where you need to
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be.
So, without further ado, let'sget into it.
Nini Fritz (01:31):
Hello everyone, my name is Nini Fritz and I'm
passionate about people andconnections.
I am the founder of the WorkHappiness Project, which is all
about workplace well-being andsupercharging employees' energy
from the inside out, and I'malso the founder of iConnect,
which is a digital detox gamemeant to spark real connections
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in a world full of digitaldistraction.
Leon Goltsman (01:56):
You certainly epiphanize all those things
because you're full of energyand your energy is very
contagious.
Nini Fritz (02:02):
Thank you.
Leon Goltsman (02:03):
So most of us know that.
You know we spend a third ofour lives working, but that
doesn't mean we feel alive whiledoing it.
What do you think is missing inthe way we approach work today,
and how can we shift intosomething more fulfilling, no
matter what our job title is?
Nini Fritz (02:18):
Honestly, what I think it's missing is meaning
Like we became so used toexchanging our time for money
and just accepted that that'sthe way it is.
But I don't think it has to bethat way.
It doesn't mean we have to makeour passion our profession, and
it's not necessarily about whatwe do.
It's much more about why we doand who we do it with.
(02:40):
So I do think once we changethe intention of why and how we
show up at work, we actuallybecome more fulfilled at work as
well.
Leon Goltsman (02:49):
Certainly, I do agree with you.
A lot of people are listeningto the podcast.
They don't actually see wherewe're working right now.
Should I tell them, or do youwant to just let them?
Nini Fritz (02:58):
Let's just keep it at.
We're working from CentennialPark, surrounded by a beautiful
landscape and nature.
Leon Goltsman (03:03):
It is beautiful, but not just that.
Look at all the people runningaround.
We're seeing all sorts ofcharacters because we're being
aware of our environment, butalso it's Friday and it's like
if we're going to work, why nottake it where we want it right?
Nini Fritz (03:17):
Absolutely.
I feel like we got to let go ofthat fact that work is all
about, you know, hustling andgrinding, and allow ourselves to
actually have fun and, you know, look at it with joy.
And then we can actually becomemore creative and productive
once we change our environmentand really find something that
lights us up, and then, you know, we become much more creative
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in our approach at work if weget out of the usual environment
and the setting, because thatreally does something to our
mind as well.
Leon Goltsman (03:50):
And it's really important to get a bit of
sunlight, because there's one ofthe benefits of being outdoors
and it's highly recommended toget some serotonin into you at
least one hour a day.
So we thought why not do ittoday, right?
Nini Fritz (03:58):
Absolutely.
I feel like the best drug onhumans is nature, so we got to
soak it in and create more ofthis self-generated happiness.
That is free and it'saccessible almost everywhere,
but especially in Australia, andeven more so in Sydney, one of
the most sunniest cities in theworld.
Leon Goltsman (04:16):
So if we can get our rush of serotonin here, I
don't know where else we can getit, and it's a good way to put
ourselves in a good mood,naturally without being on the
screens.
Nini Fritz (04:28):
Yeah, definitely we can create happiness from the
inside out.
We don't need anything external.
Yeah, that's what I'm all about.
We got it all inside of us.
Leon Goltsman (04:37):
So, whether you're running a business or a
part-time team, your energy isthe biggest asset.
How can we protect and rechargeour energy so that we show up
as our very best selves, withoutburning out or switching off
from life?
Nini Fritz (04:52):
Absolutely.
I love that question.
I generally believe energy iseverything and everything is
energy, especially in these daysnow where mental health and
burnout are at their peak time.
These days now where mentalhealth and burnout are at their
peak time, we almost treatburnout like a badge of honor,
like that it's something good tobe always busy, but you're not
always being productive.
Leon Goltsman (05:12):
So I don't get that.
I mean, people go out there,they work, they do things, they
spend how many, who knows howmany hours doing things that
could be done in a quarter ofthe time, and then you ask them
how are you going?
Oh, busy, busy.
What have you done?
Oh, I've had 20 meetings andI've done X, y, z, and what did
they accomplish?
Just busy.
Nini Fritz (05:34):
Absolutely.
I feel like busyness doesn'tequal productivity or outcome.
So, yeah, coming back to thequestion and the energy, I would
say it really starts withsetting clear boundaries,
intentional breaks and alsobeing brave enough to slow down
when you need it Instead of likepushing harder.
It's really about creatingthese intentional moments of
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slowing down.
I call it like reset tosupercharge, to actually get
more energy, instead of justrunning around on an empty
battery and trying to producemore.
We need to fill our own cupfirst and then actually give the
world from a state of overflow,and not just give it from like
an almost half empty cup anywayand then deplete our own
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batteries.
So I'm very strong on settingclear boundaries and taking
these intentional break times bydefining what really gets us
energy Like.
Look at our daily activitiesand figure out what our energy
drainers.
They're the red ones, like atraffic light, pretty much.
What are energy retainers?
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They're the yellow ones.
And what are energy gainers?
They're the green ones.
So then it's about structuringour day to maximize our gainers
and, ideally, minimize ourdrainers.
Leon Goltsman (06:51):
Well, I need to know more about that, and I know
that you've done a lot of workon that and also one of your
projects that you do.
You're going to share that withus a little bit later on,
aren't you?
Nini Fritz (07:01):
Absolutely.
Leon Goltsman (07:02):
Now we were talking about energy, and I've
always thought it can apply toanything, by the way, not just
energy.
It can apply.
Well, I suppose it can apply tomoney as well.
That's energy.
And also time you spend withpeople that's energy.
The amount of work you put ininto a project, that's energy.
So what I'm getting at is isyou want to put energy into the
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right places, and whateverdoesn't feed you eats you, so
you want to make sure that theenergy you spend is done in a
way that's going to bring outthe best in you and in others.
Nini Fritz (07:36):
Absolutely.
I'm 100% with you.
I think we should look atenergy in terms of junk food and
superfood.
Energy terms of like junk foodand superfood you know what are
the things that actually justkilling our time, like doom
scrolling and social media, andthat's taking our energy, but
it's not adding any value to ourlife unless we seek out
inspiration or use it to connectwith people, or look at it from
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like a superfood perspective.
You know what is adding energy?
What makes us feel nourished,what makes our soul feel like
we're actually getting in all ofthe good stuff?
And, yeah, we have to be veryintentional with it.
Energy is our highest asset.
It doesn't even depend on ageor money or anything around it.
It's really something that wecan activate within ourselves by
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just applying a few little minimindset and life hacks to get
the most out of it and not wasteit on the wrong things.
Leon Goltsman (08:29):
So my understanding is it's about
mindfulness.
Nini Fritz (08:33):
Absolutely.
It's mindful instead of mindful.
Leon Goltsman (08:37):
Mindful.
That's a bit of a play on words.
Nini Fritz (08:40):
Yeah, it's like just for the listeners listeners
like one is with one l and theother one is with two l.
So either your mind is full oflike thoughts and to do's and
busyness, or you're beingmindful of being very
intentional where you put onyour energy and one letter can
make a major difference in yourlife or one word.
Leon Goltsman (09:00):
If you take the word mind out, you're just left
with a fool but you can be fullof energy as well.
Nini Fritz (09:06):
So being full is not a bad thing.
It just depends on what you'rebeing full of.
Leon Goltsman (09:11):
But energy is all about making the right
connections, and we all craveconnections, but the more
connected we are digitally, themore disconnected we seem to be
personally, mimi, how did youcome to recognize the real human
connection is not just nice tohave but is essential to how we
thrive at work and in life.
Nini Fritz (09:32):
Human connection is honestly the number one
indicator for a fulfilling andhappy life.
That's just not me saying that.
It's actually the longest studyever conducted by Harvard
University.
It was like an 85-year-oldstudy, so it's something very
timeless.
That hasn't changed.
We're just social beings bynature and in this digital time
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age we actually thrive high onconnectedness.
In terms of quantityconnections let's say, thousands
of LinkedIn followers,instagram followers, youtube
subscribers but we're actuallylacking connection, and
connection is not found in thewidth, but actually in the depth
of things.
Leon Goltsman (10:14):
What's interesting?
You just said something thatwas quite coincidental.
You mentioned 85-year-oldHarvard study.
Last week I was doing aninterview and she mentioned that
study and spoke in depth aboutit.
So I'm not going to pick yourbrains on this one right now,
but it's just good to know thatsome of the most inspiring
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people that I know, and peoplefrom all different walks of life
, are actually relating to an85-year-old study which tells me
that some of the best thingsaren't always ahead of us, but
some of the things that got usto where we are today are a
result of what we could havebeen and should have been paying
attention to in the past.
Nini Fritz (10:58):
Absolutely.
I feel like you know, it'ssomething that's always been
ingrained inside the human beingthat we're social by nature and
I think in this digital worldand kind of, you know, like a
society of overachievers, webecame a little bit disconnected
from what truly matters.
But yeah, I think in the end,everyone just wants to be happy
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and feel connected withthemselves and with the people
around them.
I think that's actually thateasy to live a truly fulfilled
life, and I think that's a bitof a misconception in today's
world that it's all driven byprofit, not necessarily driven
by purpose.
Leon Goltsman (11:37):
You mentioned profit and usually people when
they consider profit they think,okay, well, we need to go and
start our own business.
And a lot of people, especiallythe business owners, feel
pressure to perform but theyseem to forget how to prioritize
personal fulfillment.
How can listeners, ourlisteners, especially our
listeners bring more meaninginto their daily lives without
(11:57):
needing to escape or overhauleverything?
Nini Fritz (12:01):
There's plenty of ways to bring more fulfillment
to your life.
I think a lot of people thinkthey need to start a charity or,
you know, run a marathon and dofundraising to find fulfillment
.
But actually it's really in themicro moments of our daily
lives, like being intentionalabout how we spend our time.
It can be micro things such as,you know, sipping your morning
(12:23):
coffee, soaking in the sunshineand listening to your favorite
tune.
That's some sort of like, youknow, adding to your cup,
filling your own cup first.
But it can also be about macrothings, like ticking something
off your bucket list, which I'mall about.
Living an intentional,fulfilling life by something off
your bucket list, which I'm allabout living an intentional,
fulfilling life by ticking offyour bucket list.
(12:43):
But personal fulfillment can befound in these kind of moments
and it's not necessarily aboutfinding all your fulfillment at
work, Like it's a nice add on.
But you can live a fulfilledlife and then actually show up
to your job and do it with morepassion, with more creativity
and, just you know, overflow onthat enthusiasm for life which
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then adds to your performance.
But it's not necessarily thatyou first find that fulfillment
in what you're doing.
Leon Goltsman (13:13):
I love my work.
I actually, I really love mywork.
Nini Fritz (13:16):
No, no, I really.
Leon Goltsman (13:17):
I really love my work.
There's so many aspects to itthat I love.
I.
Actually, I really love my work.
I really, I really love my work.
I there's so many aspects to itthat I love.
I mean, I love working withpeople.
I love coming up with ideas.
I wish I could say all theideas of mine, but they're not
that.
Everything that that we do,that I do is is always been a
team effort and and and I and I.
I can't wait to wake up everymorning to do what I get to do
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every day.
And you, I saw that spark.
So the first time we met,through the Chamber of Commerce,
of course, but also we'removers and shakers.
We don't wait for something tocome up to us.
Nini Fritz (13:53):
We create it.
Leon Goltsman (13:54):
We create it, we make it happen, we create it, we
make it happen.
And it's interesting that whenyou go out there, when I go out
there and I don't want to speakon behalf of everybody else, but
I know for me that when I goout somewhere with intention, it
usually leads me to that pathit's almost like I'm going out
on a journey and I still pinchmyself every day by experiencing
(14:19):
the things that I do and thepeople that come into my life.
You know, and I see you, you'revery similar to me in that
sense.
How do you feel about that?
Nini Fritz (14:29):
I 100% agree Also just throwing statistics at you,
but we're living in a time ofthe most disengaged workforce,
so I would consider ourselvestwo of the lucky ones to
actually find fulfillment intheir work and get excited about
jumping out of bed in themorning and doing what we're
doing, who we're doing it withand who are we doing it for.
(14:52):
And I'm so driven by my ownmission to bring exactly that
into the world, like intopeople's personal life and into
their work lives as well, tofeel more of that spark Like.
I just want more people to jumpout of bed and get excited and
feel that zest for life.
We already have it inside of us.
We just need to ask ourselvesbetter questions to get to the
(15:15):
answers instead of alwayschasing this external
fulfillment.
And yeah, for me it's just abig wake-up call for everyone
out there that you goteverything that you need inside
of you.
And, yeah, it's in your ownpower to feel that zest for life
within yourself as well.
Leon Goltsman (15:32):
But that energy is also contagious and I find
that it's almost like when youhave that energy, that good,
let's do this.
Other people follow, the rightpeople, they go.
Wow, I want some of that.
Nini Fritz (15:44):
Energy is contagious .
Leon Goltsman (15:45):
It is.
Nini Fritz (15:46):
It's not just woo-woo spiritual science, it's
actually physically proven.
It's like you know, the fasterthe atoms vibe in our body, the
higher the frequency we'revibing on and we just
magnetically feel drawn topeople who vibe on a higher
frequency.
We feel inspired by them.
They kind of have this lightaround them and we just want to
get a spark of their light.
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Everyone feels attracted by thelight and if you stand there
like the sunshine, like you'rejust shining anyway and it's not
taking from you, and that isexactly why you are where you
are today.
Thank you.
Leon Goltsman (16:20):
So those people that haven't met, you don't
realize you've actually goneaway to Bali for quite a while.
Nini Fritz (16:27):
Five years, five years.
Leon Goltsman (16:29):
Yeah, but you don't need to go to Bali or do a
10-day retreat to feel aligned.
I mean, a lot of people think,oh yeah, look, this is what I
need to do to find myself.
Some people may, but noteveryone.
What does it really mean tofind internal alignment?
I mean, you're talking aboutthat, but how does that change
the way we work and the way welive?
Nini Fritz (16:48):
As someone who has actually lived in Bali for so
long, I can say that findingtrue alignment is not location
based, so you can find itanywhere.
It's more of like an innerfeeling rather than an external
feeling.
I would define it as if whatyou do, how you do it and why
you do it is all insynchronicity.
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It's an inner feeling of hell,yes, and it doesn't mean it's
always a smooth ride and itdoesn't come without challenges,
and you just, you know, walkthrough the world like a unicorn
on a fluffy rainbow cloud.
But it's this inner feeling ofyou know, you feel fueled up,
you feel like this clarity overchaos.
(17:28):
You just feel like it's thisinner fuel that keeps you going
because it's connected to whoyou truly are, down at your core
.
And I think you can feel thatinner yes if you listen.
But you need to attune toactually, you know, slow down to
hear that, and I think oftenit's covered in so many layers
(17:52):
and expectations of the outerworld that we don't give
ourselves permission to listenin words.
But if you do so, you can feelit and hear it and it's a North
Star that you experience.
Leon Goltsman (18:04):
Yeah, and that's really important the North Star
for those people.
The thing is just that that'sjust the symbol.
The symbol is a guide and theguide is our compass.
Nini Fritz (18:15):
Absolutely.
I feel like it's an innerguidance and once you're
connected to that, you cannotturn off that GPS.
Leon Goltsman (18:26):
People rely on their technology and their GPS
to try and navigate wherethey're going.
But the irony is a lot of theexplorers and we're going back
even before Vikings time theywould be using the North Star to
get around.
Nini Fritz (18:38):
Vikings time they would be using the North Star to
get around.
Yeah, absolutely so.
Yeah, apply that for your ownpersonal life.
Just define your North Star andthen you don't need to know
every single turn along the way.
You just need to see the next,like 100 meters ahead of you,
and then slowly but steadily,progress towards your North Star
.
It's just an encouragement foreveryone listening.
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You don't have to have it allfigured out on step one.
The path comes clear as youwalk it and you don't have to
have it figured out before youstart walking.
Leon Goltsman (19:10):
Yeah and you don't really need to have it
figured out on step two, three,four five or six.
Nini Fritz (19:14):
Figure it out along the way.
Leon Goltsman (19:15):
In fact, even if a person doesn't figure it out,
it doesn't matter, because aslong as they're moving in the
right direction, does it reallymatter?
Nini Fritz (19:23):
It doesn't.
I feel like it's better feelingoccasionally like lost in the
right direction instead of, youknow, being uncomfortable
sitting in the wrong bus, youknow you just go down a way that
you actually don't want to godown, but you're just too lazy
or it's just too comfortable toget out, so I rather feel lost
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in the right direction thanclimbing up the wrong mountain.
And what's that cheesy saying?
Leon Goltsman (19:50):
Or here's another one that I heard, which I
thought was a pretty good one.
It's like climbing up a ladderand then realizing you put it
against the wrong wall.
Nini Fritz (19:57):
That's exactly the same analogy.
I'm big on analogies.
Anyone who follows me onLinkedIn probably knows that I
compare every life situation toa real life situation and find a
lesson in it.
Leon Goltsman (20:12):
Well, you're relating something to something
that's already familiar.
Nini Fritz (20:15):
Yeah, I just want to .
I'm a big visual person, so Iwant to give people a visual
idea of how that connects tothat feeling.
Leon Goltsman (20:23):
We're learning.
Every day is a learningexperience.
Everything we do andpeople-first cultures aren't
just good for teams.
We've seen that they're alsogood for businesses as well.
Now, whether you're an employer, whether an employer is
listening to our program or anentrepreneur, how does focusing
on well-being create long-termsuccess?
Nini Fritz (20:43):
Well-being is the key driver to peak performance
People who feel better, theyactually do better.
That's statistically proven Ifyou check the recent Gallup
study.
It's all about that how peoplewho are more engaged and people
who feel taken care of by theircompany and by their company
culture become more creative,they become more productive,
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they have less sick days, theybecome loyal to the company as
well.
So you're saving a lot of costsand replacing half productive
and low engaged employees byactually investing in wellbeing
as a strategy to success.
So when people feeling caredfor, they want to perform their
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best for, like someone who'slooking after them and it's like
I want to show you that I'mworth it and thanks for seeing
me, and yeah, you just want tostick with that company, and
then profit and success justbecomes a natural consequence of
having a high performing, highthriving team.
That is then creating the bestoutcomes for your company as
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well.
Leon Goltsman (21:48):
You're also raising the bar, You're raising
the floor, the ceiling, howeveryou want to call it.
You know the level.
The standard is higher.
So it's no longer from here,but it's now from there.
So the overall standards arerising.
And then what happens is theteam begins to monitor
themselves.
You don't have to watch them,you don't have to tell people
what to do.
If you've got a competent teamand competent members and people
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who want to be there, I cantell you that sometimes those
sort of people, you just leavethem alone and let them do their
magic.
Nini Fritz (22:19):
And how excited is it if you have people who are
actually excited for CollegeTGIM?
Thank God it's Monday, you knowthey're excited to show up for
work, and then caring andlooking after your people
becomes a competitive advantage.
Leon Goltsman (22:32):
No, you're absolutely spot on.
Sometimes you've got to askyourself one question that can
change everything.
Nini, if someone listening isfeeling a little stuck at the
moment, a little bit flat, maybeeven what's the one powerful
question they can ask themselvestoday to move forward with
purpose?
Nini Fritz (22:51):
So I wouldn't be the creator of an icebreaker game
if I wouldn't pull out aquestion that's actually part of
the deck to help you find morepurpose and fulfillment in your
life.
So, leon, I picked one questionfor you from the iConnect deck
that's actually perfectlyanswering your podcast question
as well, and it is what wouldyou do if you knew you could not
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fail?
And I picked that because Ifeel like this one is really
zooming out of our limitingbeliefs.
Often we feel like money isholding us back, time is holding
us back.
Time is holding us back Likeour belief in our own
capabilities is holding us back.
But if we had a guarantee thatwe're going to be successful in
what we're doing, how much morecould we create in this world?
Leon Goltsman (23:37):
And I think it's also a lot of people that are
scared.
There's fear element, whateverthat might be.
Nini Fritz (23:42):
Fear of failure, fear of rejection, this fear
element, whatever that might beFear of failure, fear of
rejection, fear of publicembarrassment, what do other
people think?
So I feel like this questionreally takes out this element of
all these fears and limitingbeliefs.
Leon Goltsman (23:54):
That's a great question.
Nini Fritz (23:55):
Thank you.
Do you have an answer for it?
Leon Goltsman (23:57):
I do, I actually do, but I think my answer will
probably be a lot different toother people's answers, so I
think maybe we should put it outto people to email us.
Oh yeah, and come back and tellus what they're, if they want to
, of course, and even if theydon't, they should email us
anyway and tell us what theythought of the program.
So Nini people are going to getback to us.
(24:19):
I'll certainly have all thecontact details in the show
notes, but these programs reallyaren't just about me.
They're about the guests andthe community and connecting
people.
So if people wanted to learnmore about you, get in contact
with you and find out how theycan either contribute, or if
people want to know more, howwould they contact you?
Nini Fritz (24:41):
For everyone who's interested in the well-being at
work like decision makers andpeople, first companies then
please reach out throughtheworkhappinessprojectcom or
just email me at nini attheworkhappinessprojectcom I
know it's a long email or findme on LinkedIn, nini Fritz I
think there's only one NiniFritz out there, definitely the
(25:03):
one in the blue shirt.
And for everyone who is lookingfor more meaningful unplugged
offline connections for a bunchof better questions, then just
go on iConnect game I like the Iwe see with and order yourself
a game of meaningful connections.
Leon Goltsman (25:21):
I like it, and I think we should do a group
gameplay one of these days aswell, but there's a lot of
interesting and exciting thingscoming up, so we're not going to
spoil the surprise.
There's always somethingexciting around the corner, and
I'm sure that we will be seeingmuch, much more of you in due
course.
Nini Fritz (25:39):
I hope so.
I mean, this is all aboutengaging conversations and I do
think a conversation sparkinggame is pretty good to engage
some conversations as well.
As you know, intrinsicfulfillment and holistic
well-being, that's a greatengaging conversations because,
after all, we all just want tobe happy.
Leon Goltsman (25:59):
We do, Nini.
Thank you so much.
It's such a pleasure to haveyou on the program and thank you
for joining us.
Nini Fritz (26:06):
Thank you for having me on your podcast.
I feel very grateful to be here.
Leon Goltsman (26:11):
Now, how's that for a conversation full of
energy, intention and insight,the kind that nudges us to slow
down, tune in and take action onwhat really matters?
Nini Fritz brings a refreshingclarity to how we think about
work and well-being.
Her tools, from the iConnectgame to Work Happiness Project,
(26:31):
are helping individuals andteams create space for deeper
connection, better alignment andmore meaningful outcomes.
If something resonated with youtoday a question, a moment or a
mindset shift, an invitation torealign, to bring more of your
full self into the spaces youlead and live in you can find
(26:54):
everything we discussed in theshow notes, including ways to
reach Nini and explore her workfurther.
And if you're someone whovalues purpose-driven leadership
, meaningful collaboration andthe power of real conversation,
there's something special on thehorizon.
We'll soon be bringing togetherthoughtful voices from across
communities, industries andregions for an evening that's
(27:16):
all about celebrating theconnections that move us forward
.
So stay tuned and, if youhaven't already, make sure to
follow Engaging Conversations.
Share this episode with someonewho leads with intention and
leave a quick review to helpothers discover the show.
A big thank you to Niaz Cannoth and the team at Invest
Intelligence for their continuedsupport and for championing the
(27:37):
kind of leadership thisplatform is all about.
I'm Leon Goltsman, and untilnext time, stay energised, stay
connected and let's keepbuilding something meaningful
together.
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