September 2, 2025 • 56 mins
This week on Enneagram in Real Life, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Aycee Brown. Aycee is a psychic channel, medium, spiritual guide, and teacher dedicated to helping people unlock their most magical lives. The conversation is a great introduction to Human Design and how we can use the system to enhance our lives. Our guest covers the five main aura types—Generators, Manifesting Generators, Projectors, Manifestors, and Reflectors—and their corresponding strategies for making decisions and moving through the world. She highlights that many people live in opposition to their human design, leading to exhaustion and resistance. She offers practical, aura-type-specific steps that we can utilize on our growth journeys.
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Aycee Brown (00:00):
It's really about bringing you back to what your
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soul is here to do, your soul'scalling and not be in this
constant fight and rotation.
And climbing these artificialkind of goals and things that
don't even have anything to dowith you sometimes.
And what I really like abouthuman design and all the other
tools that I use is that once weget down to the core and the
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root of our pain, our trauma andthings that we've experienced,
we can really be honest withourselves about what we value
and what we want.
Hello and welcome to Enneagramin Real Life, a podcast where we
explore how to apply ourEnneagram knowledge in our daily
(00:48):
lives.
I'm your host, Stephanie BarronHall, and on today's episode I
am talking with.
AC Brown.
Now, if you are in differenttypes of personality spaces on
Instagram or TikTok, I'm sureyou've heard of AC Brown.
She talks about human design,and I admit I am not an expert
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by any stretch on human design,But that's why I wanted AC to
join me and to share all abouthuman design and all those sorts
of things.
I've really enjoyed AC C'spodcast, which is called Is My
Aura on Street And she's donevarious different types of
interviews, including one withme, which was really fun.
But AC also has done deep diveson each of the human design aura
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types.
So we're gonna go over that alittle bit today, but you can
get a lot more info from herpodcast in particular.
So a little bit more about herBefore we begin, AC Brown is a
psychic channel, mediumspiritual guide and teacher
dedicated to helping peopleunlock their most magical lives,
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known as the voice of truth forher ability to connect
individuals with their divinesource.
AC works with those at life'scrossroads, guiding them to find
clarity, meaning, and a pathforward with her soon to be
released.
Book on Harper one AC brings herprofound Insights in human
design and trauma-informedcoaching to a wider audience.
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Offering a blueprint forbreaking free from conditioning
and embracing one's authenticself.
and if you like this episode, Idefinitely encourage you to
check her out on.
Instagram and TikTok to makesure that you're the first to
know when her new book isreleased.
so we share the same publisherand I'm really excited to get my
hands on her new book, um,whenever it's out.
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So again, her Instagram is ACBrown.
It's A-Y-C-E-E Brown, and samewith TikTok.
and she also has a coachingcontainer called Embody Your
Magic.
I am not in this coachingprogram.
However, I've taken otherone-on-one programs from AC and
I really love them and got a lotout of those experiences.
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So definitely if you'reinterested in this type of
thing, check it out and.
I love this episode too becauseAC is a sexual five wing four,
and I feel like that reallycomes through both in our
conversation here.
The conversation I had with heron her podcast and all the work
that she does.
She is such a deep diver, whichwe really appreciate here at
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Enneagram, IRL, because we liketo have all the info.
During the episode, we tackledquestions like, what is human
design?
What are the main aura types?
What can they do for us?
And all those sorts of things.
And so definitely if you haveany questions, this is a great
intro episode for human design,and I even snuck in a few of my
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personal questions about my Orotype, which is a splenic
projector.
So I hope you really enjoy thisepisode as much as I did.
And without further ado, here'smy conversation with AC Brown.
Stephanie Barron Hall (03:58):
Well, AC, welcome to the podcast.
Aycee Brown (04:00):
Thank you for having me.
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:03):
I'm so thrilled to talk with you today.
And you've actually been on mylist for a while because I know
that you're an Enneagram fiveand y'all are hard to come by,
like in the sense of having afive who wants to come out and
just say, this is what'shappening.
This is how I see things.
Aycee Brown (04:21):
Really?
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:22):
wanting to share about it.
Yeah.
Aycee Brown (04:24):
interesting.
A friend of mine, who's amanifester in human design, she
checks in with me periodically.
She was, and she always goes,what does the projector have to
say?
What's going on in the world?
How are you feeling?
And I'm just like, okay.
Like she always does that.
So I didn't know that aboutEnneagram Fives.
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:43):
Yeah.
Um, just, they just tend to be alittle bit more like, reserved
and like to speak on their areaof expertise.
Aycee Brown (04:49):
Yeah, I will say that.
And I probably would say justthinking about that.
It's mostly because if I'mcorrect from what I know about
the Enneagram, we have a lot ofwisdom.
We have a lot of insight.
We do a lot of research.
We do a lot of studying.
And so, Sometimes that doesn'tsit well with people who have
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their own ideals.
And I don't want to argue withpeople.
I don't want to argue withpeople.
So you just be over there withyour own thoughts, views, and
opinions.
And I'll stay over here.
When you're ready, come and getme.
Stephanie Barron Hall (05:28):
Yeah.
I mean, that does check out fora lot of fives, I think.
and I know that you have deepexpertise in human design and
that is what I'm so curious totalk about with you today.
So I'm curious if you can sharea little bit of your journey and
how you came to work with thistool.
Aycee Brown (05:43):
Absolutely.
So human design, I've been inthe human design system, as some
people say, or reading charts,coaching people through human
design for over a decade.
And I stumbled upon it in a veryinteresting way.
I was, I had just moved from NewYork to the DC area and I was
interning for a commercialphotographer because at the time
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I was doing photography, weddingphotography, commercial
photography.
Makeup artist, the residentmakeup artist who was there, she
was talking about, you know,projectors and manifest and
she's like, Oh, I'm a manifesterand all of the stuff.
And I was like, Why don't I knowabout this?
This is weird.
I know about everything.
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As she was explaining thedifferent, aura types, she was
saying something aboutmanifestors.
They're here to initiate.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that'sme.
I'm an initiator.
Absolutely.
And so she was like, Oh yeah,you should take the test, you
know, and fill out your stuffand then find out what you are.
So I did that.
And then I found out I was aprojector and I started crying.
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And I was like, what is this?
I'm supposed to wait for things.
That is crazy.
And I was just so overwhelmedand so upset.
And then I found out later onthat both of my parents, they're
generators.
So growing up in a generatorhousehold, projectors are more
likely to try and be generators.
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And so there's a lot of peoplein my family who are generators.
it's only, there's only a few ofus who are projectors.
Like less than five of us.
And so when I found that out andafter I had got a chart reading,
I was just like, I have todissect this.
What is going on?
This doesn't make any sense.
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And then I started just divingdeeper into the system.
But then with my intuitivemediumship psychic skills, it
started looking different to me.
And as I started learning aboutthe different channels, gates
and centers.
And the lines and all of that,it just started looking very
different.
And I started picking uppatterns very easily.
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And when I started looking atcharts, they just looked
different to me because of myintuitive sense.
And so I started reading charts.
I started dissecting people atwork.
And I would, you know, readpeople's charts at work.
Like, what are you?
I'm like, oh, this is why Idon't like my boss because I'm
this.
So because of that, and that'show I really got into it.
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And then I just said, I wasalready doing life coaching.
I had just finished my master'sdegree.
And I was got my certificationin life coaching at the time and
I was like, oh I can justincorporate this in this and
then a friend of mine We weregonna do a business together
about human design and then shesaid I don't want to do it And
so we had got all these trainingcourses and everything and I was
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just like, okay I'll just do iton my own and then that's how I
kind of really got into it juston Like in the background, I
wasn't like completely onlineyet.
I had a Facebook group.
Um, and then that was, that'spretty much it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (08:54):
Yeah.
Okay.
And I'm wondering if you canjust back us up a little bit for
those who aren't familiar.
Um, what is human design andwhat do you mean?
Like take the test or get yourchart.
What are all these things
Aycee Brown (09:06):
Well, human design is the combination of the
itching, the Chinese itching,the Hindu cabal, I mean the, uh,
Jewish Kabbalah system, um, theHindu chakra system and Western
astrology.
And so all of those werecombined.
Um, the rah who had, um, his.
Real name is Robert AllenKrakow, um, but he had a
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download and he combined all ofthese things and made a system
and so it's not a test.
It is.
You use your birth information,just like astrology.
So your birth information.
gives you what is called a bodygraph and the body graph has two
different columns on it yourdesign and your personality.
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So your personality is the daythat you were born and then your
design date is 88 days prior to.
So the design date stuff is somemostly your unconscious things
that are in your human designbody graph.
And so My belief is that that iswhat your soul came here to
learn in this lifetime.
So human design is more of a mapof oneself, one soul and how you
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can operate in this lifetime tothrive and not be resistant.
And so what happens is that whenpeople find out their human
design or type, which there'sfive of them.
which are generators,manifesting generators,
projectors, manifestors, andreflectors.
Nine times out of ten, not nine,I'm going to say 70 percent, 70
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30, people find out that theyare, we're living in a very
opposite way.
So in human design, they havesomething called deconditioning
and it takes seven years of anexperiment to decondition, to
live more in alignment with yourhuman design or type.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:00):
Okay.
That actually makes so muchsense to me because, um, when
you shared your first reactionto learning your projector, I
also had that same reaction, butwhat I notice across all of
these different systems, whetherit's the Enneagram or astrology
or human design.
There's this theme aroundsuccess in all of those for me.
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So my Enneagram type or, um,like it comes up in, in like the
body graph, you know how it haslike the little synopsis,
Aycee Brown (11:28):
Mm hmm.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:28):
the side, um, and then my astrology chart
as well.
Aycee Brown (11:33):
hmm.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:34):
and I'm curious if you have been doing
that, you know, seven yearstretch and what that's like.
Aycee Brown (11:41):
Yeah, I mean I did it I've passed that but I was
pretty much on board Like aftertwo years because I was I was
tired When I found out so I wasjust like, oh, okay this makes
sense because you know, youfirst find out and then you're
like upset Like I said, I comefrom a family that are they're
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very I'll have a lot ofgenerators a lot of manifesting
generators So everybody's a gogetter.
So they want to go out and makethings happen.
And that's how I was raised Soit was just kind of opposite,
but then I looked at all of thethings that had happened to me
that were invitations and howthey had changed my life or
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moved my life forward.
And I was like, Oh, okay, maybethere's something to this.
So I kind of assimilated reallyquickly.
Um, just because I was like,well, let me try and see.
So it wasn't a hard thing forme.
I just had to mostly learn aboutthe tweaks.
I think the hardest thing for mewas Is that as a black woman, I
had to make it my own because itwas taught by, you know, white
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women and white men and theyhave a very different experience
than I did in America and theystill do.
So when I teach it now or when Ishow people about the system now
and read their charts now, it'sa very different.
viewpoint because I'm learningit and experiencing it from my
viewpoint, which is verydifferent from the average
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person.
Stephanie Barron Hall (13:09):
Yeah, that is so helpful and so
important to know because Ithink about that a lot with
Enneagram stuff too.
like where it's like, oh, thisis what this type looks like.
And when we have culturaloverlays, it's like, well, no,
not exactly.
And we have to be open tounderstanding that.
so what can we do with this forself discovery?
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Because that's kind of in myquestion of like reading about
it, learning about it.
And then I'm like, okay, whydoes this help me and what
should I do next?
Aycee Brown (13:38):
Well, the first thing you need to find out is
what your aura type is.
Don't get all bogged down withwhat the chart looks like.
Why is this this?
Why is it that?
Of course, you can come and geta reading from me, which will be
your best bet, of course, right?
But next thing is, if you can'tdo that, Is to just follow your
strategy and your authority,find out what that means.
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And then when you find out whatthat means, be in that for a
little bit.
So I'll go over the strategy andauthorities for each one.
So for generators, it is torespond, then act.
What that means is that you areresponding externally.
to any outside influence oroutside invitations from you.
Like you get signs, you getclues, and then you respond.
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And then for manifestinggenerators is a little bit of a
process because manifestinggenerators, they have a little
bit of manifestor in them, butthey're mostly generator, right?
And so they're here to respond,imagine, initiate, and then act.
So there's a little Like kind ofpart so they're here to pick up
a sign or find something or gowhere their feelings are and
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Then they're supposed to imaginehow they want the outcome and
then not initiate.
I'm scoot.
Excuse me inform people of theirPlans and then they act so they
have a little bit of a processbut manifesting generators
Sometimes they don't follow thatthey move a lot quicker I like
to call them which people getupset when I say this the
walking law of Retractionbecause it just moves that fast
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for them with me when they saysomething when they have
something that they want to acton It comes into their reality
very quickly and that's becausetheir throat Center is connected
to a motor but that's A littlebit deeper stuff.
And then you have projectors,which we are here to be invited
or wait for the invitation andthen act.
And invitations, whereprojectors get this messed up,
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they always think invitationsare external.
Invitations can also beinternal, where you have an
invitation to do something, tocall someone, to go somewhere.
So you're waiting for theinvitation, and then you act on
it.
And then manifestors.
They're here to inform an act orinitiate an act.
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They're here to tell people thenext steps.
And so what I notice is that alot of manifestors who are
afraid to inform people isbecause during their childhood
their creative process wassuppressed because the
Manifestor hates interruptionsin their creative process.
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So I always give this examplefor any of the manifestors
listening It's like one weekthey were like, oh, I want to be
a ballerina and they loved itAnd then the next week they're
like, oh, you know what?
I want to play guitar and thenyou know In society, your
parents are like, we alreadypaid for 12 weeks of ballet
class.
You got to stay here.
And then they get frustrated andthey get very upset and then
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they don't, they suppress likewhat they want because that's
kind of the situation andscenarios that they're used to.
And then you have reflectors andreflectors are here.
to wait a 28 day like mooncycle.
They are here to wait 28 daysand then make decisions.
And I always tell reflectors, ifyou can't wait 28 days to give
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someone a decision, you justhave to monitor your cycles.
But they're here to processinformation longer to make
decisions.
So your strategy and yourauthority is how you make
decisions.
So I tell people when they firstcome on to human design or find
it, just focus on that.
And if you can follow that for amonth, then dig a little bit
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deeper into your profile.
Then go into your gates, then gointo your centers, then go into
your lines.
Because there's so much you canuse with human design.
Not just for your own personalgrowth, but how you communicate
with your romantic partner.
partners, how you communicate inwork, how you communicate with
friends, how you marketyourself, how you lead, how you
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create, how you're supposed totake care of your body.
There's so many things
Stephanie Barron Hall (17:50):
Yeah.
And it's so interesting that Ijust keep going back to the
thing that you said, which islike a lot of us are living
opposite to how we're kind ofmeant to.
And why is that?
Aycee Brown (18:01):
because of capitalism.
Stephanie Barron Hall (18:03):
Right.
I mean, that's always theanswer, right?
That's always like the bestanswer.
Aycee Brown (18:08):
That's it.
No, it's so I, I like to saythat human design, astrology,
numerology, all of thesemetaphysics, um, metaphysical
tools, medium, like, All of thethings that I use, they're 80
percent accurate.
However, many of us have beentaught or we live in the 20%.
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And so in that 20 percent couldbe the way you were raised,
religion, your socioeconomicstatus, capitalism, all of these
things that you've been taught.
That you should do, why you doit, all of that.
The goal in this lifetime is toget to the 80%.
And these things are notdefinites because they're always
changing.
So there's transits in humandesign, there's transits in
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astrology, there's differentthings that happen in
numerology.
It's really about using them asa guideline and tool so you can
play your game to the best ofyour ability.
So you can operate in, Thesecapitalistic, you know, systems
and, you know, the corporatesystem, the whatever system that
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you're in, the matrix that we'rein, and you can operate yourself
in the best of your ability.
It's really about bringing youback to what your soul is here
to do, your soul's calling andnot be in this constant fight
and rotation.
And climbing these, theseartificial kind of goals and
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things that don't even haveanything to do with you
sometimes.
And what I really like abouthuman design and all the other
tools that I use is that once weget down to the core and the
root of our pain, our trauma andthings that we've experienced,
we can really be honest withourselves about what we value
and what we want.
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Because the internet can trickus because you see people having
things that make them themhappy.
But will they really make youhappy?
And so that's what I think thesetools do.
Stephanie Barron Hall (20:08):
Yeah.
That's so helpful.
And I, I'm just thinking aboutin, in my life, and then my
husband, so my husband's amanifesting generator and
listening to you talk aboutthat, it's really interesting
because, he's also an Enneagramsix and six is like to mull over
things.
They think about it.
They process it.
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They take a long time.
Um, and so like this year, onething he's working on is like
shortening his timelines so thathe.
It moves into action quickerinstead of like thinking and
planning and planning foreverand not actually taking action,
um, which is kind of theopposite of how it sounds like
manifesting generators aresupposed to respond.
And then for me, um, I like togo out and just like.
(20:50):
Try to like stir things up andmake things happen, but that's
the opposite of how I'm supposedto respond, right?
we're kind of like swapped andI'm just so curious.
Like I think that's just reallyinteresting Because not saying
that it works, right?
Like I'm not saying that itworks how we're doing it and I'm
curious if we were to go throughthat process of like kind of
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Changing our, our way of movingthrough the world and, and
moving through life, what thatwould look like, and it probably
would look really different andprobably a lot less exhausting.
Aycee Brown (21:21):
Yeah, that's probably the biggest thing that
it helps you with, is theexhaustion, especially for the
non sacral types, which meansthat in your human design body
graph, you don't have a activesacral center.
So the projectors, manifestors,and reflectors are non sacral.
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The sacral people are generatorsand manifesting generators.
So we just have differentFurnaces, if you want to say
their furnace kind of runslonger than ours, ours has to be
like re ignited more for us tohave that long staying power.
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And so when we think about theaura types from that
perspective, if you are livingin opposite of that, it's really
important to just try it out.
That's why they call it anexperiment.
That's why it was always kind ofproposed as well.
What part of your seven yearexperience experiment are you in
to experiment with these thingsto see how they make you feel to
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see if you have a betterunderstanding of your body.
So I always tell people if it isso drastically different than
what you're already doing, justtake baby steps like with
anything and maybe let's saythat you are.
a projector.
Um, and then instead of yougoing out and pitching yourself,
(22:50):
maybe you just hire amanifesting generator to pitch
for you because it probably willland better.
Or you just wait for things,wait for invitations.
Or I always like to tellmanifestors who are in
relationships that Because theyhate to be interrupted, so they
have to train their partners howto respond to them.
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So I always tell manifestors,hey, just tell your partner, I'm
just going to tell you I'm goingsomewhere and then don't
interrupt me, text me.
So if, you know, it says, oh,I'm going to the store, you
know, I'm going to Whole Foodsor something like that, instead
of your partner saying, what areyou going to Whole Foods for?
Just text them like, Oh, you'regoing to Whole Foods.
Can you get me this?
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Or something like that?
So it's just a it's it's a greatcommunication tool.
Um, that's where I love it forespecially for relationships,
especially for romanticrelationships, for friendships
and business partnerships,because you learn how to
communicate, you learn howpeople understand stuff, because
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we're all different.
We have all different lovelanguages.
We all receive stuffdifferently.
So if you are living theopposite and you find out what
your human design, just try it.
Give it a week.
Then give it two weeks.
Then give it three weeks.
Stephanie Barron Hall (24:09):
This is the part that's tripped me up,
is, I, I really liked what yousaid about projectors waiting
for the invitation even insidethem, because I'm like, how do I
know?
Like, what does that look like?
Aycee Brown (24:21):
Well, are you, uh, you're splenic, right?
So splenic means intuition, somany splenic projectors do have
a little bit of issues whenthey're not tapped into their
intuitive side.
So they don't know what theirintuition is, if it's intuition
or if it's anxiety.
So I will tell a splenicprojector is to try and
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meditate, try and do somenervous system practices to
where they can feel what istheir intuition.
So I always say that intuitionis silent, anxiety and fear is
loud.
So that's one way to tell.
So when you're a splenicprojector, you need to feel like
into it.
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And it'll be a knowing it'll bea very subtle knowing like,
okay, I should do this.
If you are an emotionalprojector like me, I would have
to just ride my emotional wavefor a couple of hours or a
couple of days.
Um, so it really just depends.
So if you're a sacral generator,sacrals, they'll feel it like
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it'll be like, um, a visceralreaction.
Sometimes I know some sacralgenerators get goosebumps, some
get chills or some get likerumblings in their stomachs.
It's just a visceral kind of uhhuh or no reaction in their
body.
Same with manifestinggenerators.
And then with manifestors.
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They're a little bit different.
They if they're emotional theyhave to you know, kind of ride
it out and think about it Soit's going to be everybody's or
a type is going to reactdifferently But even though you
might have a split be asplitting progester just like a
friend You're still gonna havethose aha moments or that
knowing very differently.
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So that's why it's It comes downto kind of knowing yourself,
knowing your body.
And I always like to say thathuman design is kind of the last
stop on the healing train or thehealing bus, if you want to say,
um, it is not the first placeyou should go.
And there's various reasons why,because like you said, I've been
(26:28):
living this way for so long andthen now you're telling me I'm
doing it wrong.
I naturally, as a human, I'mgoing to.
like combat that and like go upagainst that and say, well, no,
my life is greater.
My life is this.
It's been working.
So why are you telling me thatthis is going to work?
But you have to do someunpacking before you get there.
Stephanie Barron Hall (26:50):
Yeah.
And I think also though, likeintuitively I'm like, yeah, I
know it's, I'm doing it wrongbecause I'm exhausted a lot of
the time.
Um, but also I think somethingthat you've emphasized about the
projectors is like kind of theslowing down and like having the
on and off kind of cycles.
(27:10):
And that's something I'velearned through the Enneagram
too, where it's like soimportant to be able to like
listen inwardly to, Like lessenthe chaos or the busyness in
your schedule or whatever elseoutwardly And that can be really
challenging.
Aycee Brown (27:25):
Yeah, it is.
It's very challenging becauseyou've been doing something for
a long time.
So slowing down or waiting or,you know, initiating or
informing.
It's or waiting.
Imagine being a reflectorwaiting 28 days.
Um, they get used to it, though,and they find out the benefits
(27:47):
of it.
Um, but it's it's hard.
I mean, and it's not supposed tobe necessarily hard.
You're supposed to follow yourheart instead of thinking with
your head.
And so we have a lot of headthinking that we come from
instead of heart thinking.
So it's just like a switch.
Stephanie Barron Hall (28:06):
when I kind of got into human design,
this was like a year or two ago,maybe I, for like a week, I
listened to tons of stuff.
I listened to your podcast alot.
And it gave me so much empathyfor people who are new to the
Enneagram, because the Enneagramis a system I know so well, and
I throw out these phrases andthis jargon, and then I'm
listening, and I'm like, whoa,my brain is exploding.
(28:28):
Like, I don't understand allthese words in the context that
they're being used.
and It takes some getting usedto.
and so I know we have thestrategy and authority, that's
where we look first.
what about the numbers?
Like, I've seen like 1 3 or 3 5,what do those
Aycee Brown (28:44):
So those are profile numbers.
And so your profile is the howyou do stuff.
So it's how you interact withrelationships with decision
making.
So the first number is aconscious number.
That is what you'reintentionally doing all the
time.
The second number isunconscious.
That's what your subconsciouswants to go to first.
(29:05):
So the goal is for you tocombine them and use them
properly.
Sometimes it's challengingbecause remember, the second
number is unconscious.
So you're subconsciously,subconsciously going to that
kind of way of doing something.
First, and then the first numberis what you intentionally have
to do.
So for instance, I'm a three,five.
So naturally I have toexperience and experiment with
(29:29):
things first.
That's my intentional go to formoving through life, for
learning things, for buildingrelationships, building
foundations for offers for all,I have to try it first.
But subconsciously, my five,which is the philosopher wants
to go out and teach everything Iknow and just be there and teach
(29:51):
it.
And I'm happy.
Yay.
But I have to try it first.
And so many times oursubconscious shows up first.
And then that's when we getfrustrated when things don't
work out.
So your profile numbers.
are the how you do stuff, howyou learn, how you interact with
people, how you progress, howyou figure out things.
(30:15):
So that's another thing that youcan go to next after you follow
your strategy and authority isto learn about your profile and
to really dig deep into thatbecause it make things a lot
easier to and it'll explain,especially with the profile, how
people react to you and how youreact to people in situations.
almost very similar to your moonsign in astrology.
(30:38):
So your moon sign in astrologyis your emotional well being.
It's how you react emotionally,how you process emotionally, how
when things happen to you andyou get emotional, what's the
first thing you go to that willbe your moon sign, that
emotional behavior.
And so that's sort of the samething as the.
Stephanie Barron Hall (31:02):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
So then what does the 1 3 mean?
Ha
Aycee Brown (31:06):
So the one three is an investigator, um, martyr,
which is that three line.
So you investigate intentionallyand then you The three has to
experiment.
So the one three is actuallypretty interesting because one
(31:29):
three can get very caught up into investigating for like a long
time.
And I mean a long, long, a longtime, they can get into this
investigative mode where they'rejust like, I'm just going to
investigate.
And that's that.
But that subconscious is like,no, we have to try this out.
(31:51):
And then the one line is like,but we don't know enough to try
it out yet.
But you have to lean into thatone line.
So or for instance, like three,five, I want to talk about
things.
Um, sometimes, but my three lineis like, no, I have to try it
out before I can even sayanything.
But my five line is like, no,you don't just talk, just, just
get up there.
(32:12):
Just, just I made up a word forjust philosophize.
Just go get on your soapbox.
That's it.
You're fine.
And my three line is like, no, Ihave to try this out first.
So it's the same with the onethree.
It's like the three is like,come on, try it.
Let's let's get to it.
And it's like, nope, I need totake another class.
I need to learn more.
I need to study more and then Ican go try it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (32:35):
That's so interesting you say that
because, um That is always myimpulse is the investigation
side.
Um, it hasn't always beenthough.
I remember there have beentimes, like for example, when I
was in my early twenties, I juststarted a wedding and event
floral business.
And my husband was like, why doyou think you can do that?
I was like, I just think I can.
So I did it.
(32:55):
And I, with no experience andactually was very successful.
and it worked out really well.
but.
like with the Enneagram, forexample, I studied for a few
years and then I started gettingcertifications, and especially
with things like coaching, whereI was like getting these
certifications.
And then I was just like, I justfeel like I need to know more.
(33:17):
But then with coaching, I thinkthere's a lot that is just
actually doing it
Aycee Brown (33:22):
Yeah,
Stephanie Barron Hall (33:23):
and learning that way.
And I had this one coach who,she told me like, it's a
creative process.
for you.
Now you have all theinformation.
It's now a creative process foryou to discover what your style
looks like.
And I was like, uh, no,
Aycee Brown (33:40):
like, no, give me the way to do it
Stephanie Barron Hall (33:43):
but she's being that little unconscious
Aycee Brown (33:45):
that three, right?
The three, the three has to try.
And I always tell people don'targue with people with three
lines, especially if they havebecause and I always, it's
mostly for me because threelines, once they try something.
especially a few times andexperiment it.
They have a definitive knowingthat it does work or doesn't
(34:07):
work based off of their beliefsand based off of how it did for
them.
So you can't convince themotherwise.
Or like I said, I don't datecancer men anymore because I've
been there and done that.
I don't want a cancer man.
So I'm like, Oh, you shouldn't.
No, I'm good.
I promise.
I'm okay.
I've tried it several times.
(34:29):
I've tried Pisces moon menseveral times.
I'm good.
No, please.
Like, don't send me one, God.
So, it's just that whole leaninginto it, um, leaning into that.
unconscious part of your profileonce you've mastered the
conscious part, but especiallyfor people who have one lines in
(34:52):
their profile, it's veryimportant to, as I tell one line
people, learn a little bit, godo the other part, learn a
little bit, go do the otherpart.
So if you're a one five, youknow, I mean, a five one, you
know, Learn a little bit.
Go talk about it.
Learn a bit for you.
Go experiment with it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (35:12):
That's such good guidance for us
because I feel like, um, eventhough some of the, like the
other things that are in myWell, actually, I can't say that
it's all very accurate.
I think like when I read, mychart and I look at like the
strategy, the authority, youknow, the profile, like all
these different pieces, eventhough I don't understand
everything, like the gates, forexample, I, it all resonates,
(35:34):
you know, but especially thisone really resonates of like, I
can see that pattern in my life.
Aycee Brown (35:40):
Yeah, it's, I like to say, like I said, it's 80
percent accurate.
The 20 percent is going to beinfluenced based off of your
socioeconomic status, how youwere raised, religion, the
things that you were taught, allof these things.
The way you grew up.
That sometimes outweighs the 80percent and you're just trying
(36:01):
to get back.
I like to say the 20 percent arethe people who like astrology is
not real.
That stuff is not real.
And it's just like, okay.
Have you ever had your chartread?
They're like, no.
I'm like, then how do you know?
Right.
It shows.
Stephanie Barron Hall (36:16):
Um, So, I'm curious if you can tell us
more about your upcoming book,
Aycee Brown (36:21):
Yes.
Stephanie Barron Hall (36:22):
because it's coming out later this year
and I'm just so curious to hearmore about what's going to be in
it.
Aycee Brown (36:28):
Well, my book, I don't know if I can say the
name.
I don't even think I can saythat yet.
it's called embody your magic.
I can say that.
and it's pretty much a selfhealing manual to become like
this to get the psychic withinout of you because I believe
everybody is psychic.
And so Psychic ability is notsomething that is far from us.
(36:55):
Everyone has the ability.
So the book really takes peopleon a journey through several
different parts.
We answer seven questions, comeup with one statement about who
you are and through that there'sa modality that's attached to
it.
So knowing your story, likeknowing, you know, your parents,
knowing how you got here,knowing How that influenced you,
(37:17):
psychic channeling, how that canhelp you answer questions, make
decisions, mediumship,numerology, astrology,
metaphysics, human design, andalso there's a backdrop of
internal family systems as well,um, where I touch on just how
certain parts of ourselvesextend through astrology, like
(37:39):
self like parts are ourastrology charts, um, and things
like that.
So it takes you on a process anda journey, um, through a map
that I have, and I don't want togive too much away, but I will
say that.
If you follow the book, youdon't have to follow an order.
You can pick a question or picka chapter and just work on that.
(38:02):
It is about deep healing.
This is not, I always, in thebeginning of the book, I said
this is not a book you read,it's a book you do.
There's a lot of prompts inthere, a lot of exercises.
on how to like get to the bottomof who you are, why you're here,
how you process stuff.
And we use all of thosemodalities to help you with
(38:23):
that.
And I'm really excited about itbecause it's also part memoir of
my story as well.
And how I got to, you know, forme, it's baby psychic to where I
am now.
And I always, And I emphasizethis in the book that psychic
ability is not something thatyou have to do professionally
like you don't have to this issomething that I know that's
part of my path and my purpose,but everybody uses it in a
(38:46):
different way.
And, um, I know people have readthat book, The Big Leap, by Gay
Hendricks, and he talks aboutyour zone of genius.
And I truly believe that that'spsychic ability.
That's your most psychic part ofyourself, your zone of genius.
So when people look at it, Iwant them to not think about it
like, Oh, this is this andpsychic.
(39:08):
I'm not into that.
All of that stuff.
We're all psychic.
It's just that life throws abunch of crap on us and it dumbs
down those natural things in us.
Um, and I talk about this in thebook, dogs and babies are the
most psychic intuitive people.
But then as life happens, as youget influenced, it just kind of
(39:33):
quiets and goes dormant.
So it never goes away.
It just goes dormant.
And your goal as you heal,there's actually been studies.
Um, when you heal, people alwayssay, gosh, I feel like I'm, I'm
getting psychic.
And it's like, no, You'reremoving all of the trauma, all
of the baggage.
And that's what's making youmore receptive now.
So I talk about that in thebook.
Stephanie Barron Hall (39:56):
I am so excited to read it, first of
all.
Second of all, I fall into thatcamp where I do have a hard time
with spiritual things.
Now, it's been a big part of myEnneagram learning in terms of
like applying it.
In my life and like the, um,Enneagram school that I went to
really emphasizes the spiritualaspect of things.
(40:16):
And so I'm sure they would alsolove this book.
Um, but it's so challenging forme because I actually just have
a lot of religious trauma.
Um, and like spiritual traumaand spiritual abuse in my past.
And, um, that really makes it sochallenging.
Aycee Brown (40:33):
makes it very hard.
And maybe one day, well not oneday, I'll probably do some
content on this, but I'm reallypassionate about that part
because, you know, I grew up ina Catholic household.
And so my grandmother, was veryspiritual.
(40:55):
My grandfather was the Catholicone and my grandmother came back
from like a back Baptist churchin the South.
Also like she knows who do andthings like that.
And my grandmother used toalways tell me as a child, the
only difference between you as apsychic and a prophet in the
church is that one of you canrecite Bible verses quicker.
That is it.
(41:16):
And so that always helped me towrap my head around it because
for a very long time, I wouldhide under the guise of, Oh, I'm
an intuitive and that would beeasier, more palatable.
And it's like, no, I'm apsychic.
I'm a psychic medium.
I'm a psychic channel.
That's what I do.
That is literally my gift.
(41:37):
I have that and I need to callit a day, but I would love to,
and I work with so funny, a lotof the clients that come to me
for coaching, longterm coaching,um, even short term coaching,
one off sessions every once in awhile, they have religious
trauma, um, and come fromreligious abusive backgrounds or
very religious backgrounds.
(41:57):
And if anyone's listening andthey have that situation.
I can definitely hold space foryou in that just because it's
very rough because you arereally contradicting a part of
yourself that has been taughtthat certain things are right or
wrong and Then you're gettingolder and you are Getting to
(42:20):
know yourself becoming more selfaware and you're seeing that
that's not quite the truth Andso it's always going to be a
fight within you so your goalis, you know to work with a
spiritual guide or teacher evena Therapist that has some
spiritual background who canassist you and letting you know
(42:40):
that no, this isn't wrong it'sjust different and As souls
having human experiences, we areconnected to source and source
doesn't have to mean church.
Source can mean you steppingoutside and putting your bare
feet on grass and feeling Godand feeling the earth and
(43:03):
letting the wind blow throughyour hair and through your
fingertips.
That is connection.
We think that.
It's so separate from us.
I like to tell people that thespirit world, I tell people hold
up their hand and look at thewidth of their hand, like
straight up.
That's how thin the veil is.
Your ancestors, your loved ones,your guides, they're on the
(43:26):
other side of your hand.
It's that close.
You just have to let down thatguard, let down that fear and
accept that and, and bring itin.
They're listening.
They're watching.
They're here to help you.
We are not alone like we thinkwe are and society has made us
(43:47):
feel that way.
So if you do have any religioustrauma or you're afraid to step
into more of a spiritual beingof yourself, It's literally your
birthright.
You came here as a spiritualbeing.
You didn't come here as areligious kid.
That was what was taught to you.
You came here as a soul having ahuman experience.
You picked your parents.
(44:08):
You picked your experiences.
You, you already are in tunewith the spirit world.
You just have other people'strauma on top of you.
Stephanie Barron Hall (44:18):
Yeah.
Well, and I think that's suchbeautiful permission, but it's
also so eye opening because Ithink one of the most damaging
things for me about thoseenvironments was the continual
reiteration and basically beinglike, Smash the smithereens
with, with this concept of youcan't trust yourself, you can
(44:39):
never listen to yourself.
I, as the pastor or elder orwhatever, know best, and if you
don't do what I say, then you'llbe destitute or you'll be
devastated.
Um, and those sorts of messages.
Now, some people might have goneto churches that didn't give
them those messages, and I lovethat for them, but every
Aycee Brown (44:59):
very rare.
Stephanie Barron Hall (45:00):
Right.
And every place I was in, I wasvery like implicitly and
explicitly told these things.
Right.
So as an adult, then I'm like,okay, I have to find a way to
listen to myself again.
Um, and it feels like such anuphill battle, but I also feel
like it's really important forme to then move into kind of the
next thing.
Aycee Brown (45:21):
Yeah.
Which is self trust, which istrusting yourself.
And that's all, that's what Italk about in the book.
It's really about trustingyourself.
And that's when I coach people,I always tell them we're good.
This is not fluff.
We're not going to be surfacelevel.
healing.
We're going to get down to thenitty gritty, but this is all
about you trusting yourself, youtrusting who you are, you having
(45:45):
more autonomy.
That's what religion takes awayfrom you.
It takes away choices andautonomy.
And like you said, you becomedependent on something outside
of yourself.
When you already have theanswers, you just have to
listen.
Um, some people say that, um,one of my mentors who is, was a
(46:05):
prophet in the religious church.
She says, you know, prayer isyou talking to God and
meditation is how God answersyou.
And so one is religious, one isspiritual.
And so it's really important foranyone who has that religious
ideology that's kept them stuckor even just makes you feel so
(46:32):
conflicted sometimes to knowthat, and I like to say this,
why would your God not want youto make decisions for yourself?
Stephanie Barron Hall (46:41):
Yeah.
Aycee Brown (46:42):
Why would your God not give you the tools?
Why can't you have a directaccess to the God, to the God
within you?
That's what God wants.
He wants you.
To know that you have directaccess because within you is
God.
It's not outside of you.
It's not another person.
It's not an authority.
(47:04):
You are the authority on yourlife.
You are the God within yourself.
You make those decisions.
You come to those conclusions.
You have those epiphanies.
You talk and you pray and thenyou make the actions happen.
So that is, it should empoweryou even more to trust yourself
Stephanie Barron Hall (47:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, I really appreciate that.
and it's a process that I'mlearning.
Um, but I think it's soencouraging to hear that you are
so well acquainted with, peoplewho, who have these experiences,
um, because I'm sure it comes upa lot, um,
Aycee Brown (47:44):
the time.
Stephanie Barron Hall (47:45):
spiritual things.
I'm curious.
You've already given us so muchabout all of these different
types, but are there any dailypractices that you recommend as
kind of a first step for any ofthe aura types?
Aycee Brown (47:56):
Yeah, absolutely.
I would say for, and this is,these are more fun exercises.
Um, for generators, I would saysomething that you want to ask
for a sign and ask for a signthat you understand and let that
show up for manifestinggenerators.
I would say.
Manifest, like ask for silly,just the silliest things.
(48:19):
Just talk, talk about it andwatch how fast it shows up.
Um, for projectors, ask forinvitations that excite you,
that, um, get you moving.
But I always like to tell, um,projectors, you have to show up
to the party for people to seeyou.
So just show up to the party.
whatever your party is, and letthe invitations come.
(48:42):
Um, for manifestors, go dosomething fun where you can,
where it's uninterrupted,whether you start writing,
painting, anything where you cantake an hour a day and go do
something.
And then for reflectors, findenvironments that bring them joy
because for flectors is allabout their environments.
(49:04):
If they are not happy in theirenvironments, their whole life
can suck.
So they have to find places,people, like even if it's down
to the coffee shop and you finda coffee shop where everybody is
just grooving and moving the wayyou want to go there every day
to decompress, to unwind.
So it's really about the dailypractices.
(49:26):
Is really about those littlethings that you can do,
especially for the generatorfamily.
It's all about listening to yourbody, how those yeses and how
those no's are coming through.
For projectors, what is aninvitation for you?
What kind of invitations do youwant?
Um, for manifestors, um, how doyou want to create in the world?
(49:49):
What does that mean for you?
And then we're for reflectors.
How do you want life to surpriseyou?
Um, what do you want to be?
You know, something to surpriseyou.
So it's just those littlethings.
It doesn't have to be a bigprocess.
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:03):
And that's so helpful because I
think that those little mindsetshifts or those little questions
that we can kind of reflectupon, those are sometimes the
best growth practices to me,because we don't have to plan a
big, huge thing in our day to doit.
Um, it can just become easilyintegrated.
And then.
Over time, of course, we want tomake more space, but it's a
great place to start.
Aycee Brown (50:24):
Yeah, absolutely.
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:27):
Um, tell me how our listeners can find
you.
Aycee Brown (50:31):
They can find me@www.ac brown.com.
I'm AC Brown on TikTok andInstagram and AC Brown, one on
YouTube But you know, join mymailing list.
Book me for a session forcoaching.
That's all on my website underthe Work with Me tab.
And yeah,
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:52):
Cool.
Aycee Brown (50:52):
get on my mailing list.
Yes, and my podcast is my auraon straight.
My podcast is my aura onstraight is it's in, it's in its
interview author phase.
It's getting ready to come outof there and I'll be back to my
solo episode soon.
But most people just start fromthe beginning.
I have a lot of human designcontent, a lot of astrology
content and older episodes andinterviews with different
(51:17):
people.
Stephanie Barron Hall (51:18):
Yeah.
I love it.
I'm so excited for that.
Um, okay.
My final two questions I askeveryone.
Um, first thing is tell me abouta book that has helped you
refresh you or shaped you in thelast year.
Aycee Brown (51:30):
Oh gosh.
So it's um, a book that Irecommend to everyone.
It's two books actually becauseI always reread them.
So the first one is It's NotYour Money by Tosha Silver.
That's one.
And then the other one is, Irecommend this book.
I give this to all of mycoaching clients.
(51:51):
It's called The Trance ofScarcity by Victoria Castle.
And those are my like go tobooks.
Oh, they're
Stephanie Barron Hall (52:02):
Love it.
Okay.
Thank you.
I have never heard of either ofthem, so I'm excited to add them
to my reading list.
Aycee Brown (52:07):
Yeah, they're great.
Stephanie Barron Hal (52:09):
Selfishly, this question is just to pad my
reading list.
Um, okay.
Last thing.
Um, tell me a piece of advicethat has really stuck with you.
Aycee Brown (52:18):
Oh, yes.
Um, you take you wherever yougo.
So that's always, um, one of afamily friend used to say that
to me.
when I would be thinking about adecision or wanting to move or
feeling like my environmentwasn't great or this and he
would always say you take youwherever you go.
(52:41):
yeah.
Stephanie Barron Hall (52:42):
Well, AC, thank you so much for chatting
with me today.
I feel like we covered so much,but this is also, we didn't talk
that much about the Enneagram,but, One thing I can just
observe, and I think this, thisis an overlap, like all of these
systems are different, but wesee overlaps, right, um, and
something within the Enneagramis that I noticed with a lot of
fives, they have already thoughtthrough everything they're going
(53:03):
to say and like, um, notnecessarily always in advance,
but they're not just wandering.
Like they have, you know,something that's really packed
with information and guidanceand wisdom or whatever that
they're going to share.
Um, and that is how this.
You know, less than an hour hasbeen where you've just given us
so much to think about to chewon.
(53:24):
Um, and I really, reallyappreciate your expertise in
this area.
Um, and I really hope more ofour listeners get into human
design because I think it's sucha fun system.
Aycee Brown (53:33):
Well, thank you.
This is great.
And yes, if you have humandesign questions, want to work
with me, just through.
I'm a hoot.
But I'm not gonna hold your handand like, We're not going to do
the rainbows and sprinkles overhere.
So I'm letting you know.
No, we're not doing rainbows andsprinkles and spiritual
(53:57):
bypassing and love and lightover here.
This is shadow and breakthrough.
Stephanie Barron Hall (54:04):
Yeah.
I love it.
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tools that I use is that once weget down to the core and the
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root of our pain, our trauma andthings that we've experienced,
we can really be honest withourselves about what we value
and what we want.
Hello and welcome to Enneagramin Real Life, a podcast where we
explore how to apply ourEnneagram knowledge in our daily
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lives.
I'm your host, Stephanie BarronHall, and on today's episode I
am talking with.
AC Brown.
Now, if you are in differenttypes of personality spaces on
Instagram or TikTok, I'm sureyou've heard of AC Brown.
She talks about human design,and I admit I am not an expert
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by any stretch on human design,But that's why I wanted AC to
join me and to share all abouthuman design and all those sorts
of things.
I've really enjoyed AC C'spodcast, which is called Is My
Aura on Street And she's donevarious different types of
interviews, including one withme, which was really fun.
But AC also has done deep diveson each of the human design aura
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types.
So we're gonna go over that alittle bit today, but you can
get a lot more info from herpodcast in particular.
So a little bit more about herBefore we begin, AC Brown is a
psychic channel, mediumspiritual guide and teacher
dedicated to helping peopleunlock their most magical lives,
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known as the voice of truth forher ability to connect
individuals with their divinesource.
AC works with those at life'scrossroads, guiding them to find
clarity, meaning, and a pathforward with her soon to be
released.
Book on Harper one AC brings herprofound Insights in human
design and trauma-informedcoaching to a wider audience.
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Offering a blueprint forbreaking free from conditioning
and embracing one's authenticself.
and if you like this episode, Idefinitely encourage you to
check her out on.
Instagram and TikTok to makesure that you're the first to
know when her new book isreleased.
so we share the same publisherand I'm really excited to get my
hands on her new book, um,whenever it's out.
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So again, her Instagram is ACBrown.
It's A-Y-C-E-E Brown, and samewith TikTok.
and she also has a coachingcontainer called Embody Your
Magic.
I am not in this coachingprogram.
However, I've taken otherone-on-one programs from AC and
I really love them and got a lotout of those experiences.
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So definitely if you'reinterested in this type of
thing, check it out and.
I love this episode too becauseAC is a sexual five wing four,
and I feel like that reallycomes through both in our
conversation here.
The conversation I had with heron her podcast and all the work
that she does.
She is such a deep diver, whichwe really appreciate here at
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Enneagram, IRL, because we liketo have all the info.
During the episode, we tackledquestions like, what is human
design?
What are the main aura types?
What can they do for us?
And all those sorts of things.
And so definitely if you haveany questions, this is a great
intro episode for human design,and I even snuck in a few of my
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personal questions about my Orotype, which is a splenic
projector.
So I hope you really enjoy thisepisode as much as I did.
And without further ado, here'smy conversation with AC Brown.
Stephanie Barron Hall (03:58):
Well, AC, welcome to the podcast.
Aycee Brown (04:00):
Thank you for having me.
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:03):
I'm so thrilled to talk with you today.
And you've actually been on mylist for a while because I know
that you're an Enneagram fiveand y'all are hard to come by,
like in the sense of having afive who wants to come out and
just say, this is what'shappening.
This is how I see things.
Aycee Brown (04:21):
Really?
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:22):
wanting to share about it.
Yeah.
Aycee Brown (04:24):
interesting.
A friend of mine, who's amanifester in human design, she
checks in with me periodically.
She was, and she always goes,what does the projector have to
say?
What's going on in the world?
How are you feeling?
And I'm just like, okay.
Like she always does that.
So I didn't know that aboutEnneagram Fives.
Stephanie Barron Hall (04:43):
Yeah.
Um, just, they just tend to be alittle bit more like, reserved
and like to speak on their areaof expertise.
Aycee Brown (04:49):
Yeah, I will say that.
And I probably would say justthinking about that.
It's mostly because if I'mcorrect from what I know about
the Enneagram, we have a lot ofwisdom.
We have a lot of insight.
We do a lot of research.
We do a lot of studying.
And so, Sometimes that doesn'tsit well with people who have
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their own ideals.
And I don't want to argue withpeople.
I don't want to argue withpeople.
So you just be over there withyour own thoughts, views, and
opinions.
And I'll stay over here.
When you're ready, come and getme.
Stephanie Barron Hall (05:28):
Yeah.
I mean, that does check out fora lot of fives, I think.
and I know that you have deepexpertise in human design and
that is what I'm so curious totalk about with you today.
So I'm curious if you can sharea little bit of your journey and
how you came to work with thistool.
Aycee Brown (05:43):
Absolutely.
So human design, I've been inthe human design system, as some
people say, or reading charts,coaching people through human
design for over a decade.
And I stumbled upon it in a veryinteresting way.
I was, I had just moved from NewYork to the DC area and I was
interning for a commercialphotographer because at the time
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I was doing photography, weddingphotography, commercial
photography.
Makeup artist, the residentmakeup artist who was there, she
was talking about, you know,projectors and manifest and
she's like, Oh, I'm a manifesterand all of the stuff.
And I was like, Why don't I knowabout this?
This is weird.
I know about everything.
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As she was explaining thedifferent, aura types, she was
saying something aboutmanifestors.
They're here to initiate.
And I was like, Oh yeah, that'sme.
I'm an initiator.
Absolutely.
And so she was like, Oh yeah,you should take the test, you
know, and fill out your stuffand then find out what you are.
So I did that.
And then I found out I was aprojector and I started crying.
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And I was like, what is this?
I'm supposed to wait for things.
That is crazy.
And I was just so overwhelmedand so upset.
And then I found out later onthat both of my parents, they're
generators.
So growing up in a generatorhousehold, projectors are more
likely to try and be generators.
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And so there's a lot of peoplein my family who are generators.
it's only, there's only a few ofus who are projectors.
Like less than five of us.
And so when I found that out andafter I had got a chart reading,
I was just like, I have todissect this.
What is going on?
This doesn't make any sense.
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And then I started just divingdeeper into the system.
But then with my intuitivemediumship psychic skills, it
started looking different to me.
And as I started learning aboutthe different channels, gates
and centers.
And the lines and all of that,it just started looking very
different.
And I started picking uppatterns very easily.
(07:54):
And when I started looking atcharts, they just looked
different to me because of myintuitive sense.
And so I started reading charts.
I started dissecting people atwork.
And I would, you know, readpeople's charts at work.
Like, what are you?
I'm like, oh, this is why Idon't like my boss because I'm
this.
So because of that, and that'show I really got into it.
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And then I just said, I wasalready doing life coaching.
I had just finished my master'sdegree.
And I was got my certificationin life coaching at the time and
I was like, oh I can justincorporate this in this and
then a friend of mine We weregonna do a business together
about human design and then shesaid I don't want to do it And
so we had got all these trainingcourses and everything and I was
(08:36):
just like, okay I'll just do iton my own and then that's how I
kind of really got into it juston Like in the background, I
wasn't like completely onlineyet.
I had a Facebook group.
Um, and then that was, that'spretty much it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (08:54):
Yeah.
Okay.
And I'm wondering if you canjust back us up a little bit for
those who aren't familiar.
Um, what is human design andwhat do you mean?
Like take the test or get yourchart.
What are all these things
Aycee Brown (09:06):
Well, human design is the combination of the
itching, the Chinese itching,the Hindu cabal, I mean the, uh,
Jewish Kabbalah system, um, theHindu chakra system and Western
astrology.
And so all of those werecombined.
Um, the rah who had, um, his.
Real name is Robert AllenKrakow, um, but he had a
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download and he combined all ofthese things and made a system
and so it's not a test.
It is.
You use your birth information,just like astrology.
So your birth information.
gives you what is called a bodygraph and the body graph has two
different columns on it yourdesign and your personality.
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So your personality is the daythat you were born and then your
design date is 88 days prior to.
So the design date stuff is somemostly your unconscious things
that are in your human designbody graph.
And so My belief is that that iswhat your soul came here to
learn in this lifetime.
So human design is more of a mapof oneself, one soul and how you
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can operate in this lifetime tothrive and not be resistant.
And so what happens is that whenpeople find out their human
design or type, which there'sfive of them.
which are generators,manifesting generators,
projectors, manifestors, andreflectors.
Nine times out of ten, not nine,I'm going to say 70 percent, 70
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30, people find out that theyare, we're living in a very
opposite way.
So in human design, they havesomething called deconditioning
and it takes seven years of anexperiment to decondition, to
live more in alignment with yourhuman design or type.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:00):
Okay.
That actually makes so muchsense to me because, um, when
you shared your first reactionto learning your projector, I
also had that same reaction, butwhat I notice across all of
these different systems, whetherit's the Enneagram or astrology
or human design.
There's this theme aroundsuccess in all of those for me.
(11:20):
So my Enneagram type or, um,like it comes up in, in like the
body graph, you know how it haslike the little synopsis,
Aycee Brown (11:28):
Mm hmm.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:28):
the side, um, and then my astrology chart
as well.
Aycee Brown (11:33):
hmm.
Stephanie Barron Hall (11:34):
and I'm curious if you have been doing
that, you know, seven yearstretch and what that's like.
Aycee Brown (11:41):
Yeah, I mean I did it I've passed that but I was
pretty much on board Like aftertwo years because I was I was
tired When I found out so I wasjust like, oh, okay this makes
sense because you know, youfirst find out and then you're
like upset Like I said, I comefrom a family that are they're
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very I'll have a lot ofgenerators a lot of manifesting
generators So everybody's a gogetter.
So they want to go out and makethings happen.
And that's how I was raised Soit was just kind of opposite,
but then I looked at all of thethings that had happened to me
that were invitations and howthey had changed my life or
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moved my life forward.
And I was like, Oh, okay, maybethere's something to this.
So I kind of assimilated reallyquickly.
Um, just because I was like,well, let me try and see.
So it wasn't a hard thing forme.
I just had to mostly learn aboutthe tweaks.
I think the hardest thing for mewas Is that as a black woman, I
had to make it my own because itwas taught by, you know, white
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women and white men and theyhave a very different experience
than I did in America and theystill do.
So when I teach it now or when Ishow people about the system now
and read their charts now, it'sa very different.
viewpoint because I'm learningit and experiencing it from my
viewpoint, which is verydifferent from the average
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person.
Stephanie Barron Hall (13:09):
Yeah, that is so helpful and so
important to know because Ithink about that a lot with
Enneagram stuff too.
like where it's like, oh, thisis what this type looks like.
And when we have culturaloverlays, it's like, well, no,
not exactly.
And we have to be open tounderstanding that.
so what can we do with this forself discovery?
(13:29):
Because that's kind of in myquestion of like reading about
it, learning about it.
And then I'm like, okay, whydoes this help me and what
should I do next?
Aycee Brown (13:38):
Well, the first thing you need to find out is
what your aura type is.
Don't get all bogged down withwhat the chart looks like.
Why is this this?
Why is it that?
Of course, you can come and geta reading from me, which will be
your best bet, of course, right?
But next thing is, if you can'tdo that, Is to just follow your
strategy and your authority,find out what that means.
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And then when you find out whatthat means, be in that for a
little bit.
So I'll go over the strategy andauthorities for each one.
So for generators, it is torespond, then act.
What that means is that you areresponding externally.
to any outside influence oroutside invitations from you.
Like you get signs, you getclues, and then you respond.
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And then for manifestinggenerators is a little bit of a
process because manifestinggenerators, they have a little
bit of manifestor in them, butthey're mostly generator, right?
And so they're here to respond,imagine, initiate, and then act.
So there's a little Like kind ofpart so they're here to pick up
a sign or find something or gowhere their feelings are and
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Then they're supposed to imaginehow they want the outcome and
then not initiate.
I'm scoot.
Excuse me inform people of theirPlans and then they act so they
have a little bit of a processbut manifesting generators
Sometimes they don't follow thatthey move a lot quicker I like
to call them which people getupset when I say this the
walking law of Retractionbecause it just moves that fast
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for them with me when they saysomething when they have
something that they want to acton It comes into their reality
very quickly and that's becausetheir throat Center is connected
to a motor but that's A littlebit deeper stuff.
And then you have projectors,which we are here to be invited
or wait for the invitation andthen act.
And invitations, whereprojectors get this messed up,
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they always think invitationsare external.
Invitations can also beinternal, where you have an
invitation to do something, tocall someone, to go somewhere.
So you're waiting for theinvitation, and then you act on
it.
And then manifestors.
They're here to inform an act orinitiate an act.
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They're here to tell people thenext steps.
And so what I notice is that alot of manifestors who are
afraid to inform people isbecause during their childhood
their creative process wassuppressed because the
Manifestor hates interruptionsin their creative process.
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So I always give this examplefor any of the manifestors
listening It's like one weekthey were like, oh, I want to be
a ballerina and they loved itAnd then the next week they're
like, oh, you know what?
I want to play guitar and thenyou know In society, your
parents are like, we alreadypaid for 12 weeks of ballet
class.
You got to stay here.
And then they get frustrated andthey get very upset and then
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they don't, they suppress likewhat they want because that's
kind of the situation andscenarios that they're used to.
And then you have reflectors andreflectors are here.
to wait a 28 day like mooncycle.
They are here to wait 28 daysand then make decisions.
And I always tell reflectors, ifyou can't wait 28 days to give
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someone a decision, you justhave to monitor your cycles.
But they're here to processinformation longer to make
decisions.
So your strategy and yourauthority is how you make
decisions.
So I tell people when they firstcome on to human design or find
it, just focus on that.
And if you can follow that for amonth, then dig a little bit
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deeper into your profile.
Then go into your gates, then gointo your centers, then go into
your lines.
Because there's so much you canuse with human design.
Not just for your own personalgrowth, but how you communicate
with your romantic partner.
partners, how you communicate inwork, how you communicate with
friends, how you marketyourself, how you lead, how you
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create, how you're supposed totake care of your body.
There's so many things
Stephanie Barron Hall (17:50):
Yeah.
And it's so interesting that Ijust keep going back to the
thing that you said, which islike a lot of us are living
opposite to how we're kind ofmeant to.
And why is that?
Aycee Brown (18:01):
because of capitalism.
Stephanie Barron Hall (18:03):
Right.
I mean, that's always theanswer, right?
That's always like the bestanswer.
Aycee Brown (18:08):
That's it.
No, it's so I, I like to saythat human design, astrology,
numerology, all of thesemetaphysics, um, metaphysical
tools, medium, like, All of thethings that I use, they're 80
percent accurate.
However, many of us have beentaught or we live in the 20%.
(18:30):
And so in that 20 percent couldbe the way you were raised,
religion, your socioeconomicstatus, capitalism, all of these
things that you've been taught.
That you should do, why you doit, all of that.
The goal in this lifetime is toget to the 80%.
And these things are notdefinites because they're always
changing.
So there's transits in humandesign, there's transits in
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astrology, there's differentthings that happen in
numerology.
It's really about using them asa guideline and tool so you can
play your game to the best ofyour ability.
So you can operate in, Thesecapitalistic, you know, systems
and, you know, the corporatesystem, the whatever system that
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you're in, the matrix that we'rein, and you can operate yourself
in the best of your ability.
It's really about bringing youback to what your soul is here
to do, your soul's calling andnot be in this constant fight
and rotation.
And climbing these, theseartificial kind of goals and
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things that don't even haveanything to do with you
sometimes.
And what I really like abouthuman design and all the other
tools that I use is that once weget down to the core and the
root of our pain, our trauma andthings that we've experienced,
we can really be honest withourselves about what we value
and what we want.
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Because the internet can trickus because you see people having
things that make them themhappy.
But will they really make youhappy?
And so that's what I think thesetools do.
Stephanie Barron Hall (20:08):
Yeah.
That's so helpful.
And I, I'm just thinking aboutin, in my life, and then my
husband, so my husband's amanifesting generator and
listening to you talk aboutthat, it's really interesting
because, he's also an Enneagramsix and six is like to mull over
things.
They think about it.
They process it.
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They take a long time.
Um, and so like this year, onething he's working on is like
shortening his timelines so thathe.
It moves into action quickerinstead of like thinking and
planning and planning foreverand not actually taking action,
um, which is kind of theopposite of how it sounds like
manifesting generators aresupposed to respond.
And then for me, um, I like togo out and just like.
(20:50):
Try to like stir things up andmake things happen, but that's
the opposite of how I'm supposedto respond, right?
we're kind of like swapped andI'm just so curious.
Like I think that's just reallyinteresting Because not saying
that it works, right?
Like I'm not saying that itworks how we're doing it and I'm
curious if we were to go throughthat process of like kind of
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Changing our, our way of movingthrough the world and, and
moving through life, what thatwould look like, and it probably
would look really different andprobably a lot less exhausting.
Aycee Brown (21:21):
Yeah, that's probably the biggest thing that
it helps you with, is theexhaustion, especially for the
non sacral types, which meansthat in your human design body
graph, you don't have a activesacral center.
So the projectors, manifestors,and reflectors are non sacral.
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The sacral people are generatorsand manifesting generators.
So we just have differentFurnaces, if you want to say
their furnace kind of runslonger than ours, ours has to be
like re ignited more for us tohave that long staying power.
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And so when we think about theaura types from that
perspective, if you are livingin opposite of that, it's really
important to just try it out.
That's why they call it anexperiment.
That's why it was always kind ofproposed as well.
What part of your seven yearexperience experiment are you in
to experiment with these thingsto see how they make you feel to
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see if you have a betterunderstanding of your body.
So I always tell people if it isso drastically different than
what you're already doing, justtake baby steps like with
anything and maybe let's saythat you are.
a projector.
Um, and then instead of yougoing out and pitching yourself,
(22:50):
maybe you just hire amanifesting generator to pitch
for you because it probably willland better.
Or you just wait for things,wait for invitations.
Or I always like to tellmanifestors who are in
relationships that Because theyhate to be interrupted, so they
have to train their partners howto respond to them.
(23:12):
So I always tell manifestors,hey, just tell your partner, I'm
just going to tell you I'm goingsomewhere and then don't
interrupt me, text me.
So if, you know, it says, oh,I'm going to the store, you
know, I'm going to Whole Foodsor something like that, instead
of your partner saying, what areyou going to Whole Foods for?
Just text them like, Oh, you'regoing to Whole Foods.
Can you get me this?
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Or something like that?
So it's just a it's it's a greatcommunication tool.
Um, that's where I love it forespecially for relationships,
especially for romanticrelationships, for friendships
and business partnerships,because you learn how to
communicate, you learn howpeople understand stuff, because
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we're all different.
We have all different lovelanguages.
We all receive stuffdifferently.
So if you are living theopposite and you find out what
your human design, just try it.
Give it a week.
Then give it two weeks.
Then give it three weeks.
Stephanie Barron Hall (24:09):
This is the part that's tripped me up,
is, I, I really liked what yousaid about projectors waiting
for the invitation even insidethem, because I'm like, how do I
know?
Like, what does that look like?
Aycee Brown (24:21):
Well, are you, uh, you're splenic, right?
So splenic means intuition, somany splenic projectors do have
a little bit of issues whenthey're not tapped into their
intuitive side.
So they don't know what theirintuition is, if it's intuition
or if it's anxiety.
So I will tell a splenicprojector is to try and
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meditate, try and do somenervous system practices to
where they can feel what istheir intuition.
So I always say that intuitionis silent, anxiety and fear is
loud.
So that's one way to tell.
So when you're a splenicprojector, you need to feel like
into it.
(25:02):
And it'll be a knowing it'll bea very subtle knowing like,
okay, I should do this.
If you are an emotionalprojector like me, I would have
to just ride my emotional wavefor a couple of hours or a
couple of days.
Um, so it really just depends.
So if you're a sacral generator,sacrals, they'll feel it like
(25:22):
it'll be like, um, a visceralreaction.
Sometimes I know some sacralgenerators get goosebumps, some
get chills or some get likerumblings in their stomachs.
It's just a visceral kind of uhhuh or no reaction in their
body.
Same with manifestinggenerators.
And then with manifestors.
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They're a little bit different.
They if they're emotional theyhave to you know, kind of ride
it out and think about it Soit's going to be everybody's or
a type is going to reactdifferently But even though you
might have a split be asplitting progester just like a
friend You're still gonna havethose aha moments or that
knowing very differently.
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So that's why it's It comes downto kind of knowing yourself,
knowing your body.
And I always like to say thathuman design is kind of the last
stop on the healing train or thehealing bus, if you want to say,
um, it is not the first placeyou should go.
And there's various reasons why,because like you said, I've been
(26:28):
living this way for so long andthen now you're telling me I'm
doing it wrong.
I naturally, as a human, I'mgoing to.
like combat that and like go upagainst that and say, well, no,
my life is greater.
My life is this.
It's been working.
So why are you telling me thatthis is going to work?
But you have to do someunpacking before you get there.
Stephanie Barron Hall (26:50):
Yeah.
And I think also though, likeintuitively I'm like, yeah, I
know it's, I'm doing it wrongbecause I'm exhausted a lot of
the time.
Um, but also I think somethingthat you've emphasized about the
projectors is like kind of theslowing down and like having the
on and off kind of cycles.
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And that's something I'velearned through the Enneagram
too, where it's like soimportant to be able to like
listen inwardly to, Like lessenthe chaos or the busyness in
your schedule or whatever elseoutwardly And that can be really
challenging.
Aycee Brown (27:25):
Yeah, it is.
It's very challenging becauseyou've been doing something for
a long time.
So slowing down or waiting or,you know, initiating or
informing.
It's or waiting.
Imagine being a reflectorwaiting 28 days.
Um, they get used to it, though,and they find out the benefits
(27:47):
of it.
Um, but it's it's hard.
I mean, and it's not supposed tobe necessarily hard.
You're supposed to follow yourheart instead of thinking with
your head.
And so we have a lot of headthinking that we come from
instead of heart thinking.
So it's just like a switch.
Stephanie Barron Hall (28:06):
when I kind of got into human design,
this was like a year or two ago,maybe I, for like a week, I
listened to tons of stuff.
I listened to your podcast alot.
And it gave me so much empathyfor people who are new to the
Enneagram, because the Enneagramis a system I know so well, and
I throw out these phrases andthis jargon, and then I'm
listening, and I'm like, whoa,my brain is exploding.
(28:28):
Like, I don't understand allthese words in the context that
they're being used.
and It takes some getting usedto.
and so I know we have thestrategy and authority, that's
where we look first.
what about the numbers?
Like, I've seen like 1 3 or 3 5,what do those
Aycee Brown (28:44):
So those are profile numbers.
And so your profile is the howyou do stuff.
So it's how you interact withrelationships with decision
making.
So the first number is aconscious number.
That is what you'reintentionally doing all the
time.
The second number isunconscious.
That's what your subconsciouswants to go to first.
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So the goal is for you tocombine them and use them
properly.
Sometimes it's challengingbecause remember, the second
number is unconscious.
So you're subconsciously,subconsciously going to that
kind of way of doing something.
First, and then the first numberis what you intentionally have
to do.
So for instance, I'm a three,five.
So naturally I have toexperience and experiment with
(29:29):
things first.
That's my intentional go to formoving through life, for
learning things, for buildingrelationships, building
foundations for offers for all,I have to try it first.
But subconsciously, my five,which is the philosopher wants
to go out and teach everything Iknow and just be there and teach
(29:51):
it.
And I'm happy.
Yay.
But I have to try it first.
And so many times oursubconscious shows up first.
And then that's when we getfrustrated when things don't
work out.
So your profile numbers.
are the how you do stuff, howyou learn, how you interact with
people, how you progress, howyou figure out things.
(30:15):
So that's another thing that youcan go to next after you follow
your strategy and authority isto learn about your profile and
to really dig deep into thatbecause it make things a lot
easier to and it'll explain,especially with the profile, how
people react to you and how youreact to people in situations.
almost very similar to your moonsign in astrology.
(30:38):
So your moon sign in astrologyis your emotional well being.
It's how you react emotionally,how you process emotionally, how
when things happen to you andyou get emotional, what's the
first thing you go to that willbe your moon sign, that
emotional behavior.
And so that's sort of the samething as the.
Stephanie Barron Hall (31:02):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
So then what does the 1 3 mean?
Ha
Aycee Brown (31:06):
So the one three is an investigator, um, martyr,
which is that three line.
So you investigate intentionallyand then you The three has to
experiment.
So the one three is actuallypretty interesting because one
(31:29):
three can get very caught up into investigating for like a long
time.
And I mean a long, long, a longtime, they can get into this
investigative mode where they'rejust like, I'm just going to
investigate.
And that's that.
But that subconscious is like,no, we have to try this out.
(31:51):
And then the one line is like,but we don't know enough to try
it out yet.
But you have to lean into thatone line.
So or for instance, like three,five, I want to talk about
things.
Um, sometimes, but my three lineis like, no, I have to try it
out before I can even sayanything.
But my five line is like, no,you don't just talk, just, just
get up there.
(32:12):
Just, just I made up a word forjust philosophize.
Just go get on your soapbox.
That's it.
You're fine.
And my three line is like, no, Ihave to try this out first.
So it's the same with the onethree.
It's like the three is like,come on, try it.
Let's let's get to it.
And it's like, nope, I need totake another class.
I need to learn more.
I need to study more and then Ican go try it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (32:35):
That's so interesting you say that
because, um That is always myimpulse is the investigation
side.
Um, it hasn't always beenthough.
I remember there have beentimes, like for example, when I
was in my early twenties, I juststarted a wedding and event
floral business.
And my husband was like, why doyou think you can do that?
I was like, I just think I can.
So I did it.
(32:55):
And I, with no experience andactually was very successful.
and it worked out really well.
but.
like with the Enneagram, forexample, I studied for a few
years and then I started gettingcertifications, and especially
with things like coaching, whereI was like getting these
certifications.
And then I was just like, I justfeel like I need to know more.
(33:17):
But then with coaching, I thinkthere's a lot that is just
actually doing it
Aycee Brown (33:22):
Yeah,
Stephanie Barron Hall (33:23):
and learning that way.
And I had this one coach who,she told me like, it's a
creative process.
for you.
Now you have all theinformation.
It's now a creative process foryou to discover what your style
looks like.
And I was like, uh, no,
Aycee Brown (33:40):
like, no, give me the way to do it
Stephanie Barron Hall (33:43):
but she's being that little unconscious
Aycee Brown (33:45):
that three, right?
The three, the three has to try.
And I always tell people don'targue with people with three
lines, especially if they havebecause and I always, it's
mostly for me because threelines, once they try something.
especially a few times andexperiment it.
They have a definitive knowingthat it does work or doesn't
(34:07):
work based off of their beliefsand based off of how it did for
them.
So you can't convince themotherwise.
Or like I said, I don't datecancer men anymore because I've
been there and done that.
I don't want a cancer man.
So I'm like, Oh, you shouldn't.
No, I'm good.
I promise.
I'm okay.
I've tried it several times.
(34:29):
I've tried Pisces moon menseveral times.
I'm good.
No, please.
Like, don't send me one, God.
So, it's just that whole leaninginto it, um, leaning into that.
unconscious part of your profileonce you've mastered the
conscious part, but especiallyfor people who have one lines in
(34:52):
their profile, it's veryimportant to, as I tell one line
people, learn a little bit, godo the other part, learn a
little bit, go do the otherpart.
So if you're a one five, youknow, I mean, a five one, you
know, Learn a little bit.
Go talk about it.
Learn a bit for you.
Go experiment with it.
Stephanie Barron Hall (35:12):
That's such good guidance for us
because I feel like, um, eventhough some of the, like the
other things that are in myWell, actually, I can't say that
it's all very accurate.
I think like when I read, mychart and I look at like the
strategy, the authority, youknow, the profile, like all
these different pieces, eventhough I don't understand
everything, like the gates, forexample, I, it all resonates,
(35:34):
you know, but especially thisone really resonates of like, I
can see that pattern in my life.
Aycee Brown (35:40):
Yeah, it's, I like to say, like I said, it's 80
percent accurate.
The 20 percent is going to beinfluenced based off of your
socioeconomic status, how youwere raised, religion, the
things that you were taught, allof these things.
The way you grew up.
That sometimes outweighs the 80percent and you're just trying
(36:01):
to get back.
I like to say the 20 percent arethe people who like astrology is
not real.
That stuff is not real.
And it's just like, okay.
Have you ever had your chartread?
They're like, no.
I'm like, then how do you know?
Right.
It shows.
Stephanie Barron Hall (36:16):
Um, So, I'm curious if you can tell us
more about your upcoming book,
Aycee Brown (36:21):
Yes.
Stephanie Barron Hall (36:22):
because it's coming out later this year
and I'm just so curious to hearmore about what's going to be in
it.
Aycee Brown (36:28):
Well, my book, I don't know if I can say the
name.
I don't even think I can saythat yet.
it's called embody your magic.
I can say that.
and it's pretty much a selfhealing manual to become like
this to get the psychic withinout of you because I believe
everybody is psychic.
And so Psychic ability is notsomething that is far from us.
(36:55):
Everyone has the ability.
So the book really takes peopleon a journey through several
different parts.
We answer seven questions, comeup with one statement about who
you are and through that there'sa modality that's attached to
it.
So knowing your story, likeknowing, you know, your parents,
knowing how you got here,knowing How that influenced you,
(37:17):
psychic channeling, how that canhelp you answer questions, make
decisions, mediumship,numerology, astrology,
metaphysics, human design, andalso there's a backdrop of
internal family systems as well,um, where I touch on just how
certain parts of ourselvesextend through astrology, like
(37:39):
self like parts are ourastrology charts, um, and things
like that.
So it takes you on a process anda journey, um, through a map
that I have, and I don't want togive too much away, but I will
say that.
If you follow the book, youdon't have to follow an order.
You can pick a question or picka chapter and just work on that.
(38:02):
It is about deep healing.
This is not, I always, in thebeginning of the book, I said
this is not a book you read,it's a book you do.
There's a lot of prompts inthere, a lot of exercises.
on how to like get to the bottomof who you are, why you're here,
how you process stuff.
And we use all of thosemodalities to help you with
(38:23):
that.
And I'm really excited about itbecause it's also part memoir of
my story as well.
And how I got to, you know, forme, it's baby psychic to where I
am now.
And I always, And I emphasizethis in the book that psychic
ability is not something thatyou have to do professionally
like you don't have to this issomething that I know that's
part of my path and my purpose,but everybody uses it in a
(38:46):
different way.
And, um, I know people have readthat book, The Big Leap, by Gay
Hendricks, and he talks aboutyour zone of genius.
And I truly believe that that'spsychic ability.
That's your most psychic part ofyourself, your zone of genius.
So when people look at it, Iwant them to not think about it
like, Oh, this is this andpsychic.
(39:08):
I'm not into that.
All of that stuff.
We're all psychic.
It's just that life throws abunch of crap on us and it dumbs
down those natural things in us.
Um, and I talk about this in thebook, dogs and babies are the
most psychic intuitive people.
But then as life happens, as youget influenced, it just kind of
(39:33):
quiets and goes dormant.
So it never goes away.
It just goes dormant.
And your goal as you heal,there's actually been studies.
Um, when you heal, people alwayssay, gosh, I feel like I'm, I'm
getting psychic.
And it's like, no, You'reremoving all of the trauma, all
of the baggage.
And that's what's making youmore receptive now.
So I talk about that in thebook.
Stephanie Barron Hall (39:56):
I am so excited to read it, first of
all.
Second of all, I fall into thatcamp where I do have a hard time
with spiritual things.
Now, it's been a big part of myEnneagram learning in terms of
like applying it.
In my life and like the, um,Enneagram school that I went to
really emphasizes the spiritualaspect of things.
(40:16):
And so I'm sure they would alsolove this book.
Um, but it's so challenging forme because I actually just have
a lot of religious trauma.
Um, and like spiritual traumaand spiritual abuse in my past.
And, um, that really makes it sochallenging.
Aycee Brown (40:33):
makes it very hard.
And maybe one day, well not oneday, I'll probably do some
content on this, but I'm reallypassionate about that part
because, you know, I grew up ina Catholic household.
And so my grandmother, was veryspiritual.
(40:55):
My grandfather was the Catholicone and my grandmother came back
from like a back Baptist churchin the South.
Also like she knows who do andthings like that.
And my grandmother used toalways tell me as a child, the
only difference between you as apsychic and a prophet in the
church is that one of you canrecite Bible verses quicker.
That is it.
(41:16):
And so that always helped me towrap my head around it because
for a very long time, I wouldhide under the guise of, Oh, I'm
an intuitive and that would beeasier, more palatable.
And it's like, no, I'm apsychic.
I'm a psychic medium.
I'm a psychic channel.
That's what I do.
That is literally my gift.
(41:37):
I have that and I need to callit a day, but I would love to,
and I work with so funny, a lotof the clients that come to me
for coaching, longterm coaching,um, even short term coaching,
one off sessions every once in awhile, they have religious
trauma, um, and come fromreligious abusive backgrounds or
very religious backgrounds.
(41:57):
And if anyone's listening andthey have that situation.
I can definitely hold space foryou in that just because it's
very rough because you arereally contradicting a part of
yourself that has been taughtthat certain things are right or
wrong and Then you're gettingolder and you are Getting to
(42:20):
know yourself becoming more selfaware and you're seeing that
that's not quite the truth Andso it's always going to be a
fight within you so your goalis, you know to work with a
spiritual guide or teacher evena Therapist that has some
spiritual background who canassist you and letting you know
(42:40):
that no, this isn't wrong it'sjust different and As souls
having human experiences, we areconnected to source and source
doesn't have to mean church.
Source can mean you steppingoutside and putting your bare
feet on grass and feeling Godand feeling the earth and
(43:03):
letting the wind blow throughyour hair and through your
fingertips.
That is connection.
We think that.
It's so separate from us.
I like to tell people that thespirit world, I tell people hold
up their hand and look at thewidth of their hand, like
straight up.
That's how thin the veil is.
Your ancestors, your loved ones,your guides, they're on the
(43:26):
other side of your hand.
It's that close.
You just have to let down thatguard, let down that fear and
accept that and, and bring itin.
They're listening.
They're watching.
They're here to help you.
We are not alone like we thinkwe are and society has made us
(43:47):
feel that way.
So if you do have any religioustrauma or you're afraid to step
into more of a spiritual beingof yourself, It's literally your
birthright.
You came here as a spiritualbeing.
You didn't come here as areligious kid.
That was what was taught to you.
You came here as a soul having ahuman experience.
You picked your parents.
(44:08):
You picked your experiences.
You, you already are in tunewith the spirit world.
You just have other people'strauma on top of you.
Stephanie Barron Hall (44:18):
Yeah.
Well, and I think that's suchbeautiful permission, but it's
also so eye opening because Ithink one of the most damaging
things for me about thoseenvironments was the continual
reiteration and basically beinglike, Smash the smithereens
with, with this concept of youcan't trust yourself, you can
(44:39):
never listen to yourself.
I, as the pastor or elder orwhatever, know best, and if you
don't do what I say, then you'llbe destitute or you'll be
devastated.
Um, and those sorts of messages.
Now, some people might have goneto churches that didn't give
them those messages, and I lovethat for them, but every
Aycee Brown (44:59):
very rare.
Stephanie Barron Hall (45:00):
Right.
And every place I was in, I wasvery like implicitly and
explicitly told these things.
Right.
So as an adult, then I'm like,okay, I have to find a way to
listen to myself again.
Um, and it feels like such anuphill battle, but I also feel
like it's really important forme to then move into kind of the
next thing.
Aycee Brown (45:21):
Yeah.
Which is self trust, which istrusting yourself.
And that's all, that's what Italk about in the book.
It's really about trustingyourself.
And that's when I coach people,I always tell them we're good.
This is not fluff.
We're not going to be surfacelevel.
healing.
We're going to get down to thenitty gritty, but this is all
about you trusting yourself, youtrusting who you are, you having
(45:45):
more autonomy.
That's what religion takes awayfrom you.
It takes away choices andautonomy.
And like you said, you becomedependent on something outside
of yourself.
When you already have theanswers, you just have to
listen.
Um, some people say that, um,one of my mentors who is, was a
(46:05):
prophet in the religious church.
She says, you know, prayer isyou talking to God and
meditation is how God answersyou.
And so one is religious, one isspiritual.
And so it's really important foranyone who has that religious
ideology that's kept them stuckor even just makes you feel so
(46:32):
conflicted sometimes to knowthat, and I like to say this,
why would your God not want youto make decisions for yourself?
Stephanie Barron Hall (46:41):
Yeah.
Aycee Brown (46:42):
Why would your God not give you the tools?
Why can't you have a directaccess to the God, to the God
within you?
That's what God wants.
He wants you.
To know that you have directaccess because within you is
God.
It's not outside of you.
It's not another person.
It's not an authority.
(47:04):
You are the authority on yourlife.
You are the God within yourself.
You make those decisions.
You come to those conclusions.
You have those epiphanies.
You talk and you pray and thenyou make the actions happen.
So that is, it should empoweryou even more to trust yourself
Stephanie Barron Hall (47:26):
Yeah.
Yeah, I really appreciate that.
and it's a process that I'mlearning.
Um, but I think it's soencouraging to hear that you are
so well acquainted with, peoplewho, who have these experiences,
um, because I'm sure it comes upa lot, um,
Aycee Brown (47:44):
the time.
Stephanie Barron Hall (47:45):
spiritual things.
I'm curious.
You've already given us so muchabout all of these different
types, but are there any dailypractices that you recommend as
kind of a first step for any ofthe aura types?
Aycee Brown (47:56):
Yeah, absolutely.
I would say for, and this is,these are more fun exercises.
Um, for generators, I would saysomething that you want to ask
for a sign and ask for a signthat you understand and let that
show up for manifestinggenerators.
I would say.
Manifest, like ask for silly,just the silliest things.
(48:19):
Just talk, talk about it andwatch how fast it shows up.
Um, for projectors, ask forinvitations that excite you,
that, um, get you moving.
But I always like to tell, um,projectors, you have to show up
to the party for people to seeyou.
So just show up to the party.
whatever your party is, and letthe invitations come.
(48:42):
Um, for manifestors, go dosomething fun where you can,
where it's uninterrupted,whether you start writing,
painting, anything where you cantake an hour a day and go do
something.
And then for reflectors, findenvironments that bring them joy
because for flectors is allabout their environments.
(49:04):
If they are not happy in theirenvironments, their whole life
can suck.
So they have to find places,people, like even if it's down
to the coffee shop and you finda coffee shop where everybody is
just grooving and moving the wayyou want to go there every day
to decompress, to unwind.
So it's really about the dailypractices.
(49:26):
Is really about those littlethings that you can do,
especially for the generatorfamily.
It's all about listening to yourbody, how those yeses and how
those no's are coming through.
For projectors, what is aninvitation for you?
What kind of invitations do youwant?
Um, for manifestors, um, how doyou want to create in the world?
(49:49):
What does that mean for you?
And then we're for reflectors.
How do you want life to surpriseyou?
Um, what do you want to be?
You know, something to surpriseyou.
So it's just those littlethings.
It doesn't have to be a bigprocess.
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:03):
And that's so helpful because I
think that those little mindsetshifts or those little questions
that we can kind of reflectupon, those are sometimes the
best growth practices to me,because we don't have to plan a
big, huge thing in our day to doit.
Um, it can just become easilyintegrated.
And then.
Over time, of course, we want tomake more space, but it's a
great place to start.
Aycee Brown (50:24):
Yeah, absolutely.
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:27):
Um, tell me how our listeners can find
you.
Aycee Brown (50:31):
They can find me@www.ac brown.com.
I'm AC Brown on TikTok andInstagram and AC Brown, one on
YouTube But you know, join mymailing list.
Book me for a session forcoaching.
That's all on my website underthe Work with Me tab.
And yeah,
Stephanie Barron Hall (50:52):
Cool.
Aycee Brown (50:52):
get on my mailing list.
Yes, and my podcast is my auraon straight.
My podcast is my aura onstraight is it's in, it's in its
interview author phase.
It's getting ready to come outof there and I'll be back to my
solo episode soon.
But most people just start fromthe beginning.
I have a lot of human designcontent, a lot of astrology
content and older episodes andinterviews with different
(51:17):
people.
Stephanie Barron Hall (51:18):
Yeah.
I love it.
I'm so excited for that.
Um, okay.
My final two questions I askeveryone.
Um, first thing is tell me abouta book that has helped you
refresh you or shaped you in thelast year.
Aycee Brown (51:30):
Oh gosh.
So it's um, a book that Irecommend to everyone.
It's two books actually becauseI always reread them.
So the first one is It's NotYour Money by Tosha Silver.
That's one.
And then the other one is, Irecommend this book.
I give this to all of mycoaching clients.
(51:51):
It's called The Trance ofScarcity by Victoria Castle.
And those are my like go tobooks.
Oh, they're
Stephanie Barron Hall (52:02):
Love it.
Okay.
Thank you.
I have never heard of either ofthem, so I'm excited to add them
to my reading list.
Aycee Brown (52:07):
Yeah, they're great.
Stephanie Barron Hal (52:09):
Selfishly, this question is just to pad my
reading list.
Um, okay.
Last thing.
Um, tell me a piece of advicethat has really stuck with you.
Aycee Brown (52:18):
Oh, yes.
Um, you take you wherever yougo.
So that's always, um, one of afamily friend used to say that
to me.
when I would be thinking about adecision or wanting to move or
feeling like my environmentwasn't great or this and he
would always say you take youwherever you go.
(52:41):
yeah.
Stephanie Barron Hall (52:42):
Well, AC, thank you so much for chatting
with me today.
I feel like we covered so much,but this is also, we didn't talk
that much about the Enneagram,but, One thing I can just
observe, and I think this, thisis an overlap, like all of these
systems are different, but wesee overlaps, right, um, and
something within the Enneagramis that I noticed with a lot of
fives, they have already thoughtthrough everything they're going
(53:03):
to say and like, um, notnecessarily always in advance,
but they're not just wandering.
Like they have, you know,something that's really packed
with information and guidanceand wisdom or whatever that
they're going to share.
Um, and that is how this.
You know, less than an hour hasbeen where you've just given us
so much to think about to chewon.
(53:24):
Um, and I really, reallyappreciate your expertise in
this area.
Um, and I really hope more ofour listeners get into human
design because I think it's sucha fun system.
Aycee Brown (53:33):
Well, thank you.
This is great.
And yes, if you have humandesign questions, want to work
with me, just through.
I'm a hoot.
But I'm not gonna hold your handand like, We're not going to do
the rainbows and sprinkles overhere.
So I'm letting you know.
No, we're not doing rainbows andsprinkles and spiritual
(53:57):
bypassing and love and lightover here.
This is shadow and breakthrough.
Stephanie Barron Hall (54:04):
Yeah.
I love it.
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