Batman ‘89: How Tim Burton Redefined Batman

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Hi I got a little wild at the end.
I was like, yeah, this isstarting to break me for a
second.
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At the end I was like , yeah, mitch was starting to
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When I looked at him, he wastrying to.
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
I was trying to like, not do like the.
Oh, I'm Batman.
Where are?

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the drugs.
Yeah, it's the Robert Pattinsonone.

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I don't remember erroneous.
We don't have that.
I don't want to interrupt youthough.

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What he's not telling us is he's been cooking with
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Like I said it, they said it was hot, We'll see.
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X's for the extra.
Oh yeah.

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Cause it's extra.

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Speaker 4 (03:38):
Erroneous, erroneous, your.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Honor.
I object.
How did we land on your movie?
How did you get to decide thatwe're doing Batman?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because I won the trivia.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Oh yeah, we did a trivia.

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Yeah, it's been a month since I won and declared
it.
We recorded once and didn't dothis episode.

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El Yucateco, not El Yucataco.
You illiterate bum.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Hey, if you can fit taco in there, I say you call it
that.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Salsa Maya, extra Picante, the Yucatan.
What it says here on the label?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Where'd you buy this Mitch?

Speaker 4 (04:11):
At my local Super Mercado.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
At your local Super Mercado.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah Woo, I had to find somebody that could tell me
which one was hot that spokeEnglish?
Muy caliente.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
All right, you said it didn't smell that hot.
You can put a little more onthere.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
You never know this is the inaugural.
You never know Hot saucing.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
What was our?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
last hot sauce.
Was it Satan's butthole?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
It wasn't the bomb, or something.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
No, that was Black.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Mamba.
Yeah, Black Mamba.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, the Black Mamba yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Black Mamba.
Yeah, the Black Mamba let's seeas a connoisseur.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
If this isn't hot, I'm not satisfied.
I'm buying something else.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
How is it Give?

Speaker 5 (05:02):
us a texture.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Is it the?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
hottest one, yet it's hot, it is hot Well he's not
throwing up Snotting or anythinglike that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Not yet.
Not yet, it's not the worst one.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
All right, well, anyways, just get used to those
noises.

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It's a builder.
It's a builder.
He makes me feel better.
Just get used to those noiseslistener.

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That's.
It's a builder.
It makes me feel better.
Just get used to those noises,listener.
That's going to be the rest ofthe episode.
All right.
We're doing Batman 1989, rightyeah?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't feel as bad about swearing now.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, that's not good , yeah, we got something that
makes you regret it.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh, what's next?
It's just, oh you swear, Takethe Ipecac.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I thought about getting the new Darth Vader hot
sauce that they made.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Really no, we don't need stuff From the fires of
Mustafar.
I hate you.
You were the chosen one.
You were the chosen ship.
It's a grower.
It's a grower, it's a grower,it builds.
You remember the old hot sauceOnce it hit whatever part of

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your mouth, the rest of yourmouth was suddenly coated.
Yeah, whatever was in contacthurts.
Good, good, good.
So I dare say it's on par wellgood, make me feel better about
it.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Anyways, we're doing batman 89, which is, you know,
like I said, because I wontrivia a month or so ago I don't
, I don't know getting around toit, uh, but yeah it was, let's
see, released in June of 23rd of1989 with a budget of 35,.
Well, they didn't have anofficial, they said 35 to 48

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million.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Wikipedia has it at 48 million.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Earned 411 million Yep, and then on IMDb it's a 7.5
out of 10.
Rotten Tomatoes the criticshave it at 77% and the fans have
it at 84%.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
I do think that Return of Batman.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Returns.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I think that that is the better Batman.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
I do not think so Really.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I agree with Mitch 89, I think was better.
I mean I am skewed to say thatbecause I really want
Christopher Walken.
I'll watch that guy cut grass,I don't care.
But as a villain I think JackNicholson just kind of blows him
out of the water.
And yeah, and I know it's ashared villain role because you
have him and Danny DeVito as thePenguin.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
And Selena Kyle's or not Selena Kyle?
Michelle Pfeiffer as SelenaKyle yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
I felt like for having a lot of moving parts.
That was like a reallywell-done movie to do it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think it was an outstanding sequel.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean, I like the movie.
I just like the first onebetter.
Okay, but let's see the cast.
The producer was Peter Gruber,the director Tim Burton, writers
Sam Hain and Warren Skarn.
The original creator of Batmanwas Bob Kane.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Was Peter related to Hans Hans Gruber.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Michael Keaton is Batman, jack Nicholson is the
Joker, kim Basinger is VickiVale Basinger, robert Wohl is
Alexander Knox, pat Hingle isCommissioner Gordon, billy Dee
Williams is Harvey Dent.
Vicki Vale Basinger yeah samething.
Robert Wohl is Alexander Knox,pat Hingle is Commissioner
Gordon, billy Dee Williams isHarvey Dent, michael Goff is
Alfred Pennyworth and JackPalance is Grissom.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
It'd been cool to have Great cast lineup though.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
It'd been cool to have Billy Dee Williams two-face
.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
That was what the plan was for Batman Forever.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well, no, it was supposed to be for Batman
Returns.
He said in the sequel he wassupposed to come back.
He actually had that in hiscontract.
He was supposed to come back.
From some research I found outthey actually bought him out of
his contract because they didn'twant him to return.
That sucks.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
I don't like just seeing that.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
He's a big name to have such a small part in this
one and then not ever show upagain.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, we part in this one and then not ever show up
again.
Yeah, and we had to get that,was it?
Schumacher did?
Batman Returns, joel Schumacher.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
He did, yeah, he did, batman Forever, yeah, batman
Forever is what I was thinkingof, and Batman and Robin.
Somehow.
They were like oh wow, you didsuch a good job, let's give you
another movie.
And we got Tommy Lee Jones'Two-Face.
Who cannot be.
He cannot sanction Jim Carrey'sbuffoonery.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Brand of buffoonery.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Jim Carrey was a good Riddler, though I liked him as
a Riddler.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
You know, like in the Christopher Nolan era they were
considering bringing him backas the Riddler, jim Carrey.
Oh really, and like to thepoint where, like, they were
even talking to Jim just to seethat, because he can do serious
as well, jim Carrey.
Yeah.
But he was like nah.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well, originally they were supposed to have Robin
Williams as the Joker in this.
Oh, yeah, yeah, like supposedly.
So much so that they'd actuallytold Robin Williams he got the
part.
But they were just trying tolure Jack Nicholson into doing
it.
So Robin Williams assumed thathe had the part from what they
had told him.
Jack Nicholson said, okay, I'lldo it.
And then they basically toldRobin Williams never mind, we're

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going to go with him.
Yeah.
And that's why Robin Williamspretty much decided he will
never work with WB.
That's fair From that pointforward.
I think eventually he didsomething with him, but he was
not happy.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I them.
But like he, he was not happy.
I wouldn't be either he gotstalloned.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's what schwarzenegger did to stallone.
He would pretend to like takethese big roles and he'd be like
and he'll make some horriblemovie.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Schwarzenegger never even did the movies that he did
but, um, yeah, like there was abunch of hollywood a-listers
that they said that wereconsidered for the role of
batman, um, mel gibson, kevin,charlie Sheen, tom Selleck,
harrison Ford and Dennis Quaidwere all kind of in the running
Oof.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Batman with a mustache.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm trying to think Harrison Ford.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I want my parents back.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Get off my city streets Wagging his finger at
him.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, not 1989.
Harrison.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Ford.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, that's pushing it .

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I forget, he hasn't always been old.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
This would have been Selick at the end of Magnum PI,
so he would have had to shavethe mustache probably, and that
would have looked ridiculous.
Kevin Costner, not Costner.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
He wasn't a good actor back then.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
This was the same year the Untouchables came out.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
The Untouchables is good, but when he plays the
young wide-eyed naive kind ofguy, yeah you can get away with
it.
Batman the Brooding.
I can't see Costner pullingthat off.
No, he couldn't pull that off.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Drug riddled Charlie Sheen?
I don't think no.
Sheen, I don't think no.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
During the 80s, 1980, like the baseball movie Major
League, major League, charlieSheen.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Wild thing.
That's not Batman, I'm Batman.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
No, maybe, like I don't know, some of the platoon
monologuing that he did waspretty broody.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Okay, dennis Quaid, yeah.
Nah, nah.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
The only thing I can think of is Enemy Mine from that
era.
Oh, supposedly.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
And years later, the Parent Trap Inner Space.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Reading this, it says they also approached Pierce
Brosnan because they wanted anaction movie star, but he had no
interest in playing a comicbook character.
Is what he said.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
He'd been great at that In 1989, Pierce Brosnan
would have been a great BruceWayne.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Could he do?
I've never seen him do anAmerican accent before.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm sure he could have pulled it off.
I mean every British person.
They got him to sing in Mama Me.
I'm sure he would have been fun.
That is true.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
But it says that when Michael Keaton was cast, it
created a furore.
People were really becauseeverybody remembered him from Mr
Mom.
Well, yeah, because he had beenin more comedic stuff and they
said they had a $50,000signature petition.
Yes that I don't know why Iread $50,000.
I just wanted to add dollars,because that's what you want.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
You want money.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
But basically people protesting.
They did not want him, Bob Kanedidn't want him.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Really.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it's wild.
We look back.
Keaton is probably the bestlive-action Batman ever.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
As far as acting yeah , I'd have to say so, as far as
both roles Now, because some ofthem, I think, have done better
as Batman, some have done betteras Bruce Wayne, but not both
together.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
I don't know about Cameron.
It was a pretty good follow-up.
What?
I'm just kidding your Honor.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I object Erroneous, wrong.
Don't sit outside.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Now I will say that.
What's his name?
Ben Affleck.
He makes for a really goodBruce Wayne and he has the build
of Batman.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He looks that part.
He wasn't given the script todo it.
Yeah, like Batman drinking.
Like Batman didn't do that.
A lot of the comic book stuffis Batman doesn't drink alcohol
because he doesn't want to everbe like his senses dulled ever.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Well, right, but I mean he was one of the older he
was supposed to portray like anolder Batman that had kind of
fallen off the wagon a littlebit.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
He was killing people .
He was just like nope.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
So was Keaton's.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Batman.
Yeah, that is true Because,like everybody talks about, you
know Ben Affleck's Batmankilling people.
But in the Batman Returns,keaton basically attaches a bomb
to a guy and knocks him down asewer main, yeah, ah.
He turns the Batmobile aroundand lights a guy on fire.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
There was a couple times where I don't break my one
rule Dude's definitely, I'llsend you to the ICU though.
Had to die in the original 1989Batman.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, there's one where he throws him down the
tower from the top.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Well, yeah, but I mean, like there's a couple
times where he's fighting somepeople and he did I can't
remember.
He did something like bananasand you're just like.
That dude's definitely going.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
That guy's not walking away from that.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Oh, let's see Some of the people that they had also
kind of done.
Interviewed for the role ofJoker was Tim Curry, david Bowie
, john Lithgow, ray Liotta andJames Woods John Lithgow.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
John Lithgow I mean, but David Bowie as the Joker and
Tim Curry.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
And Tim Curry, tim Curry.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Tim Curry probably would have been one of the top
three Jokers of all time.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Did you ever dance with the devil in the pale
moonlight?
Well, you're about to the moon,Ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean he got to play a clown in another film.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, it still gives me nightmares.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
It's creepier yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's a lot creepier, john Lithgow.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
What was the last one he said?
James Wood.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
James Woods, that would have been no.
No, james Woods would haveprobably a better Two-Face.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah.
But when they went withNicholson he had demands that he
wanted as the role, basicallybecause he knew they wanted him.
He wanted a three-week block tobe shot, like all his scenes.
It says he reduced his standardsalary to 10, or reduced his
standard 10 million fee to 6million in exchange for a cut of

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the film's earnings, includingincluding associated merchandise
, which led to remuneration andexcess.
Basically, he made $50 millionin that year for the movie.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
He pulled a Alec Guinness.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
What's that?
What'd he do?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
He got toys oh yeah, obi-wan, the original Obi-Wan.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Oh okay, guys, guys, guys, yeah, how'd you not.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
We do an entertainment show.
How'd you not?
I didn't know his name.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Look, we all know I'm not good with names and
people's names like actors'names.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm not good with names and people's names.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
We do.
Dogs have names too.
Shut up and words.
Welcome to oh and he alsodemanded top billing on the
movie as well.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Oh yeah, he's going to get top billing, it's.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Nicholson.
I mean you read through all theactors.
He's the only one who deservestop billing.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, it says.
There are reports that hereceived maybe up to $90 million
for this movie.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
I believe it.
You know, you look at it andsometimes a movie kind of has
like a veil, like a hint ofgoofiness that just doesn't
quite stick to landing andyou're like, man, I can't
believe Jack Nielsen agreed todo this.
You know, there's a coupletimes where it's like kind of
campy and corny and cheesy andyou're just like this is the guy

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who's in the Shining, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
This is the guy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Easy Rider.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, you know.
And then you see him like dohis little joker dance on the
table and stuff like that andyou're just like, but you know
it worked.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It definitely worked.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Where they show up at the museum and he's twirling
the cane with the guy with theboom box and he's just knocking
stuff over and painting he'slike he had a goofy body shape
for that movie too Just kind ofstarted letting himself go in
that belly.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
It was wild to see an actor of his caliber,
especially at that time, who hadso many fantastic films.
Chinatown we didn't mention.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Oh, that's, right, Chinatown yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I mean, it's Jack Nicholson and it's just like.
I'm going to be the Joker andeveryone's like what are you
doing?

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Just whatever he wanted.
I mean, I wonder how much ofthat was ad-libbed, all of his
little dances and goofy stuffand the part I think the best
part about his character is howwell they casted the young guy
to play him with that smile, ohyeah.
They found the one guy on theplanet that has the Jack
Nicholson smile.
The one other guy.

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Yeah, and he had it soperfectly.
It was pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, granted, there wasn't as many superhero movies
back then as there are now, butit says it held the highest
grossing superhero film all theway until 2002 when Spider-Man
came out.
Oh, wow.
So it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Pardon me.
Yeah, man, it was the sauceHabanero-y.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
But we've got to get into the movie here, where you
know the whole thing starts withthis mom, dad, kid coming out
of the theater, standing on theside of the road trying to hail
a cab.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Everybody's like oh no, here we go.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Here's going to happen.
All the criminals in Gotham arelike how many times do we have
to teach you this lesson, bruce?

Speaker 5 (19:02):
I will be because I hadn't seen this movie in years
and I watched it again and I waslike I thought they came out of
an opera.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
And then you realize what they're doing and you're
like, oh clever, and it wasweird to see that for the 1989
Batman.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
They didn't start from the origin, right from the
rip.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
They kind of alluded to it.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Similar things happen , but not to the same extent.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I like that.
They did that.
I appreciate that a lot,especially now because every
Batman movie now we got to hearabout my parents were killed.
It was my fault and you know,joe Chill bleh where are the
drugs.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I thought they did a really good job of introducing
Batman because, I mean, like yougot the two crooks after they
robbed the mom and dad and thekid which, by the way, they
specifically tell the lady don'tscream If you value the kid's
life they knocked the dad outand immediately she screams as
they're running away.
Could you imagine?
The guy just turned right back.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I told you and like he's like walking up, like
rubbing his temples, like youremember, just five seconds
earlier, earlier, I said don'tscream or the kid gets it.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
and here we are, because you screamed, now you
have forced my hand but thinkabout this you've got this dad
and he, they've got a map withhim and he's like I got a hill
of cab and let's walk into thedark alley instead of the lit
street, where all the cabs areat.
They're from out of town,aren't they?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, they were obviously from Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I just say but it's good how they introduced Batman,
I thought, because you've gotthe two crooks sitting up there
counting the cash and stuff andyou just see him kind of like.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Let's talk about that .

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yes, let's talk about how he that's a very 70s 80s
thing to do to have crookscounting money, but like where
he like, looms in with his goofybat wings and you can tell he's
like being slowly laying.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
There's almost like a stutter with his lower.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Oh, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Yeah, I mean like the first time you'd see it, but as
an adult you're like.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I agree, the more you watch it.
Two-year-old Hayden was blownaway.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
As an adult.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Adult you're like I agree you can almost hear like
the, the gears, like I didn'tthink it was cool, like like
they're sitting there and youjust, kind of off screen, you
hear the footsteps as he's likeright above them, and then
they're like but then like theyget up, take off, run and turn

(21:24):
around and shoot him and he justdunks yeah, and whenever.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Whenever he gets knocked down, it's always the
most ungraceful paper doll.
Just family guy rag doll yeah.
Just lays there like he's dead.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
But, like you said, the first time you see it.
He just got shot, he's down,they turn around and they just
hear him raising back up.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It would be pretty creepy yeah they turn around and
they just hear him raising backup.
Yeah, it'd be pretty creepy.
Yeah, I think it.
It's a nice ambience touch.
Yeah, it builds, like the lore,a little of the character of
like, oh, they just shot him andit didn't do anything.
Yeah, who is the batman?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
yeah, but then he grabs me.
He's like holding him out overthe edge.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Just tell your friends about me it is funny
because they do shoot him in thechest and one that, one part in
the movie where he's likehe's's wearing body armor.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
He's got some kind of booty on.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
They're trying to figure out a way to kill him.
He's got a mouth.
You can see half his head.
Shoot him in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
From under his nose to almost, his Adam's apple is
exposed.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Stick the gun in his mouth, whatever you think is
best.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Have you guys not watched the Boys and how they
kill?

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Translucent it's just the reverse, different orifice.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
That's why they're dumb criminals, I guess.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, but supposedly like the line, he wasn't
supposed to say I'm Batman.
He was supposed to say I am theknight and Michael Keaton's.
Like I'm not saying that helike.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Knock the guy over the head, butt.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, I think he like head butts him and then he
tosses him on the roof and thenhe just jumps off.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And like the cops show up and they're like yeah,
yeah, all crumpled up.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
And then you have the reporter Alexander Knox.
Yeah, he got on my nerves.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Yeah, he was like that's like that guy's Loki
sexually assaulting Vicki Vale,which was funny back then In
1989.
Yeah, totally acceptable.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, yeah, because he's like hey, have you seen any
news to Batman?
He's like don't write any ofthis stuff in the paper.
The police guy.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Oh yeah, he thinks it's Bigfoot or Elvis yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah.
But then when they get back tothe newspaper place I don't know
the building, I don't know theydon't have like a name for
their newspaper company, thatbut uh, he gets back there and
everybody's like making fun ofhim.
You see, more than he says,it's a Batman and Vicki Vale
sitting there and she's like, uh, you know, flipping through her
uh photos and stuff.
And then he's like, will you mecoffee?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
yeah, sorry, that's an odd twist to take off a
rejection like standingawkwardly close through the
whole time.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Right to be fair, though, like chewing gum he did
get his, his butt beat a coupletimes for her yeah so but like
they do a good job of, like, Iguess, making them a team
because you know she's aphotographer, he's, he's the
writer or whatever.
But my whole thing is like, ifBatman is so mysterious because

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they have sightings, how doesshe know about him from some
other place, like she's not fromthat city?

Speaker 5 (24:17):
I don't know, I can't people like.
Word of mouth was a thing backthen.
It still is.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, but it'd be a lot less common as far as how do
you know about Bigfoot?
Well, there's a lot moresightings of Bigfoot than Batman
.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, yeah, they just cut to a different news channel
somewhere halfway across the US.
It's like in other news a mandressed like a bat in Gotham
City is beating up criminalsjust trying to take one bite out
of crime.
Isn't that fun, tom.
Oh yeah, that's great Diane.
Anyway, over to you, mike.
With the weather it's likewhat's wrong with this guy.

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Was he prowling?

Speaker 5 (24:52):
around his mom's basement.
Get a job I'm trying toremember what was the next scene
after they meet at thenewspaper place.
I'm pretty sure we get to BruceWayne at some point.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Oh, they go to the party in his house.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Okay, I was about to say it was some sort of
fundraiser that he's hosting.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
He's got a whole casino basically in his house
now.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
He has the suits of armor and all the cool samurai
stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, well, they're all out there doing the gambling
stuff and then Knox and Vickywalk off and just explore this
guy's mansion without anybodywayne manor.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
He's just like oh I'll follow them, you know.
But yeah, they, they wonderinto, like his armory, I guess
yeah just suits armor from allover the world yeah, and she's
like they're making fun of brucewayne to bruce wayne because
they don't know it's him.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
He's like yeah, it's probably some psycho.
Who's that?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
It's like that was Bruce Wayne, I like.
When they find out that it ishim, he's like, hey, can I have
a grant, as he's getting readyto walk away.
He's like, should we open acouple of cases?
They're like, yeah, sure, acouple of cases of wine.
He's like, oh, give Knox agrant.
He's like, yeah, yeah, it justmakes me laugh.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's where he becomes infatuated with Kim
Basinger.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, it'd be hard not to.
Meanwhile, mob boss CarlGrissom sends his sociopathic
second-in-command, jack Napier,to raid Axis Chemicals.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
That is the most like comic-y 40s name Axis Chemicals
.
Axis Chemicals preparing youfor tomorrow, or some, like you
know, upbeat nonsense like theeh the radio announcer.
Hey boys here.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, axis Chemicals safe around children Wink.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Buy our new brands of lead paint.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Well, you got Jack Napier, which you know.
Jack Nicholson, jack Napier,basically.
You know Jack Nicholson, jackNapier Basically.
He gets set up.
He goes to the chemical placethey're supposed to rob the safe
or whatever.
They open it up.
There's nothing in there and asthey walk out, the corrupt cops
start showing up.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, the shooting happens.
Batman shows up.
He tries to save Jack Napier.
He falls in the vat ofchemicals.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
And they don't try to recover the body or nothing.
The bat man just leaves BecauseI think the cops are shooting
at him and he's just climbing aladder While getting shot at
slowly.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
He's like it's funny when Jack Nicholson Drops into
the vat of chemicals Because thebat suit Doesn't move.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
His neck can't move.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
He's all stagnant and still His vertebrae is fused
together.
When he drops he has to bendhis hip to look over the railing
to see him.
You see Jack Nicholson fallinto the vat and he just snaps
back up to attention when thecops start shooting at him and
he scurries up the ladder.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
The reason for the double cross is that Jack Napier
, jack Nicholson was nailingJack Palance's girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, pretty much, or his mistress, that's not
important.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And then he kills also the corrupt cop.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Well, I just like how the police come into this place
and immediately start shootingat everything.
You just got chemicals goingeverywhere.
They're just standing and I'mstill shooting and stuff.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, all right.
So like they shoot the littledial and the glass flies off,
cuts Jack Napier's face.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Well, no, because he shoots at Batman.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Batman uses his like wrist gauntlet thing to block it
and it ricochets and hits allthe glass and like it wrist
gauntlet thing to block it, andit ricochets and hits all the
glass and it's severedattendance.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
He can't.
He constantly smiles now.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, he's like that's so dumb.
That idiotic grin of.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
But I always laugh because after all that stuff's
happened.
Batman's standing there andwhen the police are coming from
both sides he throws the smokebomb down and when he starts
going up you just see his feetsticking out as he's going up
through the smoke.
But then you got the one copthat's like steps forward and
just looks up like he'ssurprised.
Where'd he go?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
He's gone, Commissioner.
He was here and now he's not.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
What else is funny is when the corrupt cop's like
he's like walking away, Likehe's just sauntering out.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
And he's like hey, Eckhart, he's like he like turns
in lumbers and he just goes Pow, pow, pow, pow pow.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, like he didn't think he was going to get shot.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
And you know, looking at that guy, he just smells
like grease and like marble reds.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
He smells like gyros.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
He just looks greasy he smells like greasy street
food If you told me that theycasted the same guy to play the
corrupt cop in all of the Batmanmovies.
I would have believed youBecause they find the same guy
they go to like a Domino's pizza.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
He doesn't even sweat , it's just stagnant cart water
from hot dog stands coming outof his skin.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
They open the dumpster Under the greasy pizza
boxes?
Is that corrupt cop?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
actor.
He uses relish as a deodorant.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
He pops it.
He's like Batman.
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Then you got his Jack Nicholson's buddy like Bob.
That's his name, bob the longblonde-haired guy.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Oh yeah, Isn't he the ballet dude from Die Hard?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think he is Now.
Bob is like the most loyalhenchman.
Yeah, bob's probably thegreatest henchman, like the
greatest henchman's henchman ofall time.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah, I'm going to get cast here.
Keep talking, Mitch.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
But you know, after all that's happened.
Then you see like the scenewhere you see the water and you
see like the kind of yellowishor the white and green hand kind
of pop up from the water.
Yeah.
Well then the next scene theygo.
You have Jack Palance, which isGriss, and his robe and stuff,
all happy.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
His smoking jacket, the silk.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Yeah, the elevator opens up and he's like Jack
Napier's gone.
He thinks it's his girlfriend.
He turns around and you justsee the silhouette of the Joker
with his hat, walks in, takeshis hat off and he's like the
full-on white makeup, green hair, he's like Jack.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Bob is not from the movie.
I thought he was.
He is in.
Matilda, he plays FBI agent.
Bill.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
That's right Anyway yeah, so like the doctor scene
where Jack like sees the mirror,he starts laughing hysterically
like pulling the bandages offand like walks up the stairs.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
You never see that doctor again.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
No.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
No, but at least he didn't just kill the doctor.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
The doctor didn't really do anything wrong.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
There's a comic book line that goes with the movie
and it has more behind thescenes but what happens off
camera?
To kind of tie up some looseends, and they do kill a doctor
in that?
Yeah, I figured.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Because he's basically just driven insane
looking at his reflection andseeing what he's become.
Because, because he was veryyou know image conscious,
Because he was Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, but then he goes up there he kills Grissom,
but he does it like the goofy,like shooting him Because he
shoots him and then he startsgetting like he does this under
the leg behind the back.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
He's, like you know, hold up a mirror Pulling like an
Annie Oakley or something yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Griss, gristin had a big role.
Yeah, he didn't.
He didn't live long, uh, butthen uh, basically the says
joker starts terrorizing gothamby laces like different hygiene
products, with a smilex, which adeadly chemical that causes
victims to die laughing but it's, it's like a combination of
chemicals which like becausewhen they have like the girl in
the news and she's like acombination of chemicals.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Because then they have the girl in the news and
she's like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
She used a certain lipstick, a certain perfume and
a certain deodorant all togethermakes the Joker poison.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
They talked about in his stupid little Google
computer that Batman has in hiscage, the Bat-Computer.
Yeah, he pulls up Jack Napierand it says he like a
professional chemist and allthese skills.
And you're like how the helldoes this guy have all these
skills?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Henchman school.
I guess, At Henchman University.
You can be the best.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, he maxed out on all of his stats, that's for
sure.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I mean, you can't just have your generic brawler
henchman, but then you've gotyour clever henchman.
Yeah, guys are going to go tolike officer henchmen school.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
The henchmen that will one day become.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
The boss.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, the boss, the big boss.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
The next scene you have is the I forgot the people
standing on like city hall stepsand whatever and they're
talking about how they're goingto clean up this city and all
that.
And then the Joker shows up andhe's got like he kills the
mayor, he stabs him in the neckor something.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
The quill, yeah, and it's like, yeah, he stabs him.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
All the other mimes are walking up and they start
shooting and stuff and theyshoot holes through Bruce's
trench coat.
Yeah.
And that's the first time thatBob's taking pictures Joker sees
Vicky.
That's where he gets infatuatedwith her.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, and he becomes obsessed it.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
her, yeah, and he becomes obsessed, was kind of a
goofy scene, because wasn'tthere like a whole bunch of cops
there?

Speaker 4 (33:50):
too.
They're just like oh crap mimes, because they all had.
They all had revolvers and allthe mimes had tommy guns.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
So which is wild.
It's like the 80s and it's likeoh crap, tommy guns they still
let the mayor get quinnedquilled he got.
Quinned, we do where it's goodon this show, sure do.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Let's see Then Vicky lures her.
Or let's see Joker soon becomesobsessed with Vicky and lures
her to the Fluggenheim Museum,which his henchmen start
vandalizing.
What is that song, I can'tremember.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
It's a Prince song, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
They start coming in.
They're like slapping thepaintings with paint.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, and he's like knocking stuff.
She gets the gift box, opens itup and it's like the breather.
And then all of a sudden thegreen gas comes in and everybody
just knocks out yeah, and it'spresumed like they're dead.
What if he killed them?
And then he shows up and he'sgot like the dance montage and
he's got like the painter's likefloppy purple hat and he's just

(34:51):
walking twirling the cane, likedoing the whole Jack Nicholson,
just knocking like statues offof pedestals, like, and he like
looks at like a painting.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I think it was like a butcher's picture or whatever.
Bob goes to cut it and he'slike nah, I kind of like this
one.
And that picture with thebutcher's thing is actually in
the Joker movie with JoaquinPhoenix.
It's hanging in the Joker'sapartment.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Ah, interesting Full circle.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Supposedly it was all coincidence is what the
director for the Joaquin PhoenixJoker movie said Todd Phillips.
Yeah, he said that's allcoincidence, he didn't actually
plan that.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Uh-huh yeah, somebody did Sure that had that one
specific painting.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Todd.
But yeah, the Joker sits down.
He uses his like a flamethrower, like lighter, Lights all the
candles.
Yeah.
Has his girlfriend come in likewearing the mask because he's
like burned her?

Speaker 5 (35:50):
yeah, what was up with that?
I?
Don't know why he too, is a fanof art look at my latest and
then, like she takes the maskoff and acid burn.
Vicky Veil's like it wasn'tthat bad.
It was just like a littleeczema or something you know so
but yeah, I guess like herreaction was enough to make her

(36:10):
suicidal yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, because then, like he uses the flower to, like
, shoot acid and she ducks, hitsthe wall, then she throws water
in his face and he startsrubbing his face.
He's like I'm melting, turnsback around, and then about that
time is when Batman comesthrough the ceiling and he has
this giant apparatus just toshoot.
Yeah two darts Shoot grapplesin both directions.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
It was the 80s.
He perfected the carpcompartmentalized design.
Words do good.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
We're all suffering tonight.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
It is funny that there is a weird like that's
from the uh adam west batman era, like he just whips out a gap.
Sharp repellent for like thisspecific scenario.
You know that is the dualgrappling hook.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yeah, so then it goes out, they get in the car.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
How much do you weigh ?
She's like 120 or what is she?

Speaker 4 (37:03):
that's later on, yeah that's when he uses the small
grappling hook but like becausethey they fly out of the music
small grappling hook.
They fly out of the museum land, hit the doors, go out the
museum.
They're like get in the car,which one the big?

Speaker 5 (37:16):
black one, the one with the bat wings on it.
Maybe Is that yours?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
No, actually the.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Prius obviously.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
But they jump in there.
I'm in that 88 Cutlass.
And then you got, like theJoker has like their own
vehicles because they're allpurple and green, yeah, they're
driving around.
You got the one driver and thenall the rest of them in the car
, like hanging out the sideshooting.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
That's where the like ridiculous death happens.
Where like he like harpoons,one of the cars and, like you
know, tomahawk swings it into awall and a fireball explodes and
you're like well, okay clearlythat guy died.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I don't break the rule.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
He just zooms out.
He doesn't even like look overhis shoulder or something like
that, and he's probably justthinking in his head like that
would be all right.
Put some.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Vaseline on it and he'd be, fine, you got this
whole Batmobile.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
He's outrunning all these cars.
This random bulldozer justpulls up in front of him and he
just stops and gets out and runsaway from the car.
He activates the shield orwhatever Shields.
Although that was kind of cool.
The shield's coming out, butit's like, of all the things
you're running, from all thethings this car can do, the
bulldozer pulls up in front ofyou.
So you've got to stop.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
What's he going to do ?

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Up the Bulldozer he could have backed up and moved
around.
I don't know, is this the moviewhere we got basically the
Batmobile design for the next 20years?
Yeah Well, it was for the firsttwo, it was.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Batman and Batman Returns, well, even for Batman
Forever.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I'm saying that really long hood with the
turbine in the front, the flamesat the wings.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I had to watch a documentary in college called.
Movie Masculinity.
And they documentary in collegecalled like movie masculinity,
and they talk a lot about thebatmobile because of its phallic
Length and stuff like that.
It looked like a roving penis,you know, and they said like the
crappier the movies got, themore phallic the the more hard.
I think that's somebody justReaching.
It was some, like you know,curly haired lady that was like

(39:04):
kind of going off the rails alittle bit.
She had short hair and a vestyes, the car does look kind of
like a penis.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
I gotcha all right, yeah there's a lot of objects
that just look like penises butyeah, then they, uh, they run
into the, uh, some other alley.
You have the joker's car pullup as they're like trying to go
up, and that's when she's likehow much do you weigh?
Yeah they get like halfway up,the grappler just stops
working's when she's like howmuch do you weigh?

Speaker 5 (39:30):
They get halfway up.
The grappler just stops working.
Yeah, yeah, he's like becauseshe said, didn't she say
something crazy, like 85 pounds.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I want to say she was like 120-something is what she
said.
Oh no, no.
Well, I can't remember exactlywhat.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
She said she was less than 100 pounds and I was like
no.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
All pounds and I was like, no, all right, kim basing,
yeah, okay, but but again hehas like the rag doll, because
he unclips it from his belly, hejust falls, hits the thing,
fall and rolls off the car yeah,then he rolls over, kicks one
guy and they shoot him in thechest yeah and then he plays
possum.
He just lays there, he's gotbody armor, everybody play dead.
And then I like how they'retrying to catch her, not kill
her, but they go to move hismask.
She takes a.
I like how they're trying tocatch her, not kill her, but
they go to move his mask.
She takes a picture.

(40:11):
And then they're like get herand they just start firing at
the building.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Well, they took a picture.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
So.
So anyway, I started blasting.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
But then Batman gets up, beats all of them up, and
then some random guy jumps overthe fence with the swords.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like ah, it is like the Dragon
Ball Z, like palm heel stop, andthe guy just like runs into it,
isn't it like his crotch, orsomething like that?
He just like grabs him andthrows him to the ground.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Well, he starts doing all the swords and stuff and
Batman's, like you know,blocking, countering or whatever
.
And then as the guy startsgetting closer, he Straight
kicks him in the chin.
There was another time wherethat's later on in the church,
yeah.
But yeah, like this guy comes,like you know, doing a little
ninja sword stuff, and this isprobably the most Batman
actually fights as opposed tojust like brawling with someone.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Yeah, like he's been trained in the martial arts at
some point In karate.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
After he beats him.
You got Bob that comes up frombehind the trash with like a
knife, yeah, and he's like justdoes his finger like come on,
bob, just drops his knife andruns away.
He's like ah, you got me.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Bob is a smart man, so obviously after Batman
rescuing Vicky to move on in thescenes.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Oh, I was going to say after that, you get the
coolest part of the movie,though you get the scene where
the batmobile is driving downthose dark roads in the woods
and you just got leaves flyingeverywhere as he flies down the
road through the instead of uhchristian bale in the first in
batman begins right now

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I sleep on the couch but yeah, he like goes through
the waterfall.
It's a good thing that there'snot more than one waterfall I
put out those, uh, those jets.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Then, like, as he pulls into the Batcave, they
both get out.
She like starts walking.
He's like watch your step Turnson the lights.
She's like this, far from anendless drop, and he just has a
random pet bat hanging there.
And the bat's like.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
He takes her into the Batcave and she's just like
perusing around.
Like.
Check this out.
I'm like I guess he doesn'tcare about his secret identity.
Then she gets close to him tolook at his face, but he does it
with the awkward fusedvertebrae turn.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
He's like it's because, the suit wasn't
articulated in the neck.
That's what he does.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
He steps back a little further in the shadow and
tosses the folder at her.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
He gives her all the information on the Smilax
nonsense.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
So if he does care that she can't know who his
identity is, why?
Do you?
Take her to the Batcave.
It's not like she can't figureout that it's below the manor,
the Bruce Wayne manor.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
How would she figure that out right there?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
She can get out and figure it out, she's had a long
night.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
She might not put too many people.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
No, because basically he knocks her out.
Oh, that's right.
Takes her back to her apartmentand when she wakes up she's
like feeling her chest Becauseevidently he reached in there
and took the camera film stuffout of the shed in there, yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Bruce copping a feel she does like wake up in a weird
position.
I'm not going to lie, batroofies.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
It's rubbing her back .
I call it the bat Cosby, thebat Cosby.
But then you know, like lateron in the movie she kind of like
she sees Bruce Wayne going tothe like the parents death spot.
It's not his grave, it's justthe alley, and he's like leaving
a flower and she starts puttingtwo and two together and that's
, she goes back and, well, hegoes to her apartment about
their relationship and tries totell her and tries to kind of

(43:34):
like talk to her, but notknowing the Joker's already
there or the Joker shows up andinterrupts it.
Yeah, because he's trying totell her who he is.
Yeah, and that's where we getthe.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And he's like smashing stuff and he's just
like you're that, bruce Wayneguy.
He's like you ever dance withthe devil in the pale moonlight.
And guy he's, like you everdance with the devil in the pale
moonlight.
And Bruce Lee goes what?
And he goes.
I don't know he's like.
I just like saying it before Ikill people.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
I mean, he did a good job though of like a
realization.
Look on his face Like wait aminute.
I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I gotta say and then it's revealed that the Joker is
the one that killed his parentsbecause he said it to his
parents.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Yeah, I got to say for Jack Nicholson to be able to
shoot the Batplane out of thesky.
With a gigantic revolver.
And then like the little tinserving plate that stops the
bullet.
Well it is a different gun.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Okay, one was a short barrel, one was a long barrel.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Well, he figured that out, I guess.
I guess the bigger the barrel,the the more damage does, or
something, of course, yeah yeahyeah it is, and how no one knew
he had a serving tray rightagainst him.
Yeah, he does, wearing a suithe does kind of like, die kind
of silly, he just like slumpsinto the corner my question in

(44:51):
broad daylight, in a suit.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Where did he go Like, even if you're Batman, where?

Speaker 5 (44:55):
do you?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
go.
He's Batman.
He's turned around, he's gone.
I am the knight.
But then after that point shestarts doing some research and
she figures it out and shows upat the Batcave and Alfred brings
her down.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Oh yeah, alfred doesn't care, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Alfred doesn't care.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Alfred's like finally , I'm tired of these games.
Maybe, this guy will finallyget laid and stop being a Batman
.
It's like you might be the onethat makes him stop running
around dressed up as a bat andfighting people.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
He really needs some help.
I need you to take one for theteam.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
It's been a long long .

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Here's $100,000.
Please.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
It's been 28 years since the night his parents were
killed.
He put on a mask later thatnight and started punching me.
Through years and years ofelectrotherapy.
We got him to just concentrateon criminals.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
That'd be a much better origin story.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
And then the next part is you have the Joker
basically hijacking the TVnetwork and talking about how
he's going to give back to thecommunity.
It's like this guy's beenkilling people and all these
people are like, oh yeah, let'ssupport the Joker, he's going to
give us money, yeah right,Literally, though that would
happen.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
True, I do love, though, all the newscasters stop
wearing their makeups and stuff.
Yeah, you see them.
They got like zits and stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
They're just tired Raggedy looking people.
What happened to you, TomTucker?

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Because I guess everybody buys from Axis
Chemicals.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
The Joker has his parade.
He's on a big float with allthese balloons.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Do a stupid dance.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Money, money, money, money money.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Axis Chemicals building your future today.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Well, batman starts flying the Batplane around and
you know.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
He has the special apparatus.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
He's got the Bat scissors on the front of the
plane.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Of course he does.
He pre-planned it.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
He's like one day there's going to be a parade of
balloons, Doesn't he skyhookthem pretty much.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
He like, he captures them all.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, the sky like what they used to do in Vietnam.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Yeah he flies down and catches them all, basically
Takes them up and then cuts itinto outer space.
And then does the iconic bat inthe moon thing, yeah, flies up
and then goes back down and thengets shot down by a revolver, a
very gigantic it is funnythough he's got these long pants
, he pulls it out of his pants.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
It would have been great if he pulled the trigger
and just went bang.
The little flag popped out.
Doesn't he do that later whenhe fights?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
He's up there with Vicky Vale later.
He's like I just can't take itanymore, Just to scare her.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
He just starts laughing.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
When the Batplane crashes, for whatever reason,
Vicky Vale just happens to beright there.
Joker grabs her and takes herup into the like 500-floor
cathedral.
We need to move this moviealong, let's go.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
The megathedral.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Yeah, you got.
You know, downtrodden, beaten,downtrodden beaten Batman like
climbing out of the plane.
Well, I like how the next 10minutes With his vertebrae and
his neck fused together into hisshoulders to go.
The next 10 minutes of themovie is him climbing stairs to
get to the top of the tower.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
It is an unrealistically tall cathedral.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I've been to large cathedral churches in Europe and
it really feels that way.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Well, I mean because, if you look at it, they've got
those spotlights and thespotlights don't even reach the
top.
They're like shining them back.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
The lights aren't strong enough.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Well, they only went about halfway up, but so you
know.
They get to the top of thereand then she's like he's making
her dance with him all around.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Yeah, unconscious, or at least she's like.
She's kind of like like halfconscious kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And then, uh, why, why did I do this movie?
Batman finally like starts togo up the the tower or whatever.
When they get to the top, jokershoots the bell with like acid
and the bell comes falling down.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Yeah, and he misses Batman, but he kills like a
bunch of his henchmen orsomething, doesn't he?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
No, it lands and blocks off to where?
The police can get it Well hekills Bob.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Does he?
Yeah, joker kills Bob.
Yeah, I don't remember himdoing that.
Yeah, when.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
In the movie.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I know in the movie but Iforgot he does, he goes.
Bob, give me your gun.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Takes it and then shoots him, and I, poor Bob, bob
didn't deserve it.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
When they get to the top, though that's when you have
you can hear the Joker talkingto Batman, but you can't see him
, and then that's when the guyyou were talking about with the,
like, dual feet, swords orwhatever comes diving out and
Batman just holds like palmstrikes and he flies towards him
.
That's the guy's like ah, andthen you got John Henry.
He let that guy die too.
He let the John Henry guy, thebig black guy, just comes in and

(49:35):
throws Batman around, beatinghim up, because you have the
Rocky sounds where Batman's inthe corner and the guy's like
punch him in the stomach.
I could do this all day.
He throws Batman into the otherbell.
You see Batman fall and then,as the guy's's looking, all of a
sudden Batman's standing on topjumps off and the guy throws

(49:55):
him into the wall, throws himthrough the steps.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Doesn't Batman kill that guy too?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, he just shoots him right in the face Bat gun he
tries to throw him.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
He tries to throw him down like the shaft and when he
looks over, you just seeBatman's legs come up.
Yeah, the calves grab him bythe head and flip him over.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
What was he holding on with that?
He can just contort his bodywhere feet pop out His penis.
And grab him Just.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
But then as Vicky.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
It's like a piece of railing.
He just pinched it between hisbutt, cheeks, yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
What's funny is he watches that guy fall.
I remember him looking at himfall, and I was just thinking.
In his mind he's like yeah,he'll be all right.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, he'll walk.
He probably has insurance.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
But then you have Vicky and Joker dancing around
and Vicky sees Batman walk fromfrom instead of going straight
to him.
He's like creeping up, likewalks from corner to corner,
like you know you see, if she'sliking it, so then she.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
So she starts like kissing Joker like trying to she
does like it, trap him oh, whatthe hell I'm out of here.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
You're on your own.
No Batman come back.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
He was on the roofs then Batman, like he was on the
roofs.
The Batman sneaks up on, tapsJoker on the shoulder and does
the Pelman line, punches him inthe face.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I love when Jack Nicholson's bleeding from his
mouth and he's like hang on andhe pulls out glasses and puts
them in.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Batman just goes.
And then he's like Spits outthe little chattering teeth.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
It's so stupid, but it's so funny it works great,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
But then they get over, like was it?
Towards the edge, Like the edgeof the the gargoyle.
Yeah Well, Joker gets knockedover the side and they think, oh
, you know.
They look over, thinking he'sdead, and he reaches up, grabs
them both by the hand, flipsthem over and somehow he gets up
.
Joker does yeah, he's likestanding on this ledge that was
down there, that they didn'tknow about.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
And then he's like trying to stomp on their fingers
or whatever kick them off, andthen they.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
I think Vicky falls first, yeah, and then Batman
catches her and moves her overto the other side.
And then, as the henchmen comein with the plane with the
ladder on it, he grabs a hold ofthe ladder and, as he's
starting to take off, batmanshoots the grapple, hits his
foot and then around thegargoyle.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
That's another special kind of grapple he
brought just for this situation,the gargoyle grapple.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I'm going to need that.
He made it eight years ago andAlfred's like explain it to me
one more time.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
One of these days, alfred, I'm telling you, there
will be a man trying to escapein a helicopter.
I'm going to need a strap.
It will be on a church.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And I can grapple him to something else.
Maybe that is Batman, it'llwork.
Alfred, it'll work 20 bucks.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
But I like how the guys in the helicopter see the
Joker be lifted, see everythingswinging and hanging, him
struggling to hang on andinstead of just like moving him
over back onto the balcony, theyjust fly further away.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
And then he falls.
Yeah, he doesn't like try toundo the grapple on his ankle or
anything, he's just like Well,because he's holding on to the
ladder.
Okay, you have two hands.
He's also holding up the weightof the car coil Not at first.
Well, true, yeah, so you know,but anyway.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
They could have just been like no, no, and then
dropped him on the building.
Yeah, but no, I do like it whenhe hits the ground, like cops
surround him and he's got thateerie laughing.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, the little laughing bag in his jacket.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It would have been funny if the old pan panda just
started blasting at him.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
He's like then it cuts to the the uh, what is it?
The mayor and all that they'relike.
He came with a signal.
Yeah, they light it up and he'slike standing on a balcony the
best comic book soundtrack.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Like the best comic book, like hero song, I think,
is the Danny Elfman Batman.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, it is Danny Elfman.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I have to agree.
It's like the iconic Batmansong.
So much so they ended up usingit for Batman, the Animated
Series as well.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Don't get me wrong, I love Hans Zimmer.
I think that the ChristopherNolan Batman's music is good,
but it's not as iconic as theDanny Elfman Batman.
Yeah.
And if you think about theAvengers or any of the other
superhero comic book movies likeSpider-Man or whatever, nothing
sticks.
Nothing slaps as hard as 1989.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Batman Nope.
Do you know what band DannyElfman was in Oingo?

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Boingo, no Oingo.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Boingo, not Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
No, oingo Boingo, not Oingo Boingo, I said Oingo.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Boingo.
No, you said Oingo Boingo.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
Whatever I said, oingo, boingo, whatever,
whatever, tom Go, you just hadto be right about something.
I should have been like no.
Tom tell me.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Sure, why not?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
What I didn't know, that I looked up Michael Gow,
who plays Alfred he's in allfour of these.
Yeah Well because it's supposedto be the same person, because
he looks 4,000 years old.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
He looks the same age as the first one In Batman 89.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
He passed away in 2011.
They made it look like he wasalready dead.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Didn't he die in one of the Batmans?

Speaker 4 (55:11):
No, they were about to in the fourth one.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, they like save him.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
The freeze thing.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
He dies in the George Clooney one.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
No, he didn't die.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
No, he doesn't die.
I mean, he's almost like.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah, they had to find the cure and freeze gives
them the cure at the end.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
What killed the dinosaurs?
The?
Ice.
Age.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
That's what we're doing next.
Jump straight to Batman andRobin.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
We're just going to skip Batman Forever and Batman
Returns.
Yeah, why not?
We can skip Batman Forever byall rights.
We should.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
What would y'all rate this movie?
Not saying it's, I guess, let'ssee.
What would y'all rate thismovie, you know.
Not saying it's, you know, Iguess let's see.
What would you consider themovie I?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
think a 7.5 is a pretty solid one.
Does it stand up to the test oftime?
You know, yes, but not like aswell as other movies had in the
past.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
You know, so 7.5, if you're not counting the fact
that it's older and doesn't havethe modern CGI.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Well, why not?
Why can't?
I mean you think about it likethe original Superman, right?
Yeah, it's corny, and you know,can I believe a man can fly
after watching that movie?
Nah, nah, but it is like thequintessential.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Superman.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Yeah, and like that, I think is a lot more of a solid
landing than this movie is.
It's a great movie, don't getme wrong, but I don't think
it'll be quite as generationalas the original Superman is.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I agree.
I agree, I'd say a 7 out of 10.
Okay, and that's just.
Some.
Stuff is kind of.
It is kind of corny when youwatch it.
I mean, yes, it is a comic bookmovie.
They do a lot of stuff right.
They do a great job withcertain things, with, you know,

(57:06):
the introducing batman, becauseyou think it's going to be oh,
his parents were killed, butit's actually kind of like a
deja vu, almost kind of moment.
But he's already Batman,lowered Batman.
The two guys are on the policetrying to lower him and saying
blinds or something in a window,and they managed to do it.

(57:26):
There's a lot of campiness toit, especially with Jack
Nicholson's character.
This was not camping compared towhat they right we're used to
where they were coming from withthe adam west batman I feel
like, though, they did a goodjob of getting a a touch of that
flavor, yeah, and a more modernflavor, because there's moments
where jack nicholson becomeskind of a scary joker, like

(57:49):
we're talking to vicky vale andhe has the little mask thing
that his girl was wearing andhe's talking to her today.
He yells and smashes it, yeah,where everybody was kind of like
ugh, yeah, like he had likethat in him to do it, yeah.
So I think there's a lot ofgood.
I think just some of it wasjust like oh, batman 8-9 was one
of the best movies ever.

(58:09):
It's like it's still, it's aBatman movie.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Yeah, it started the long edgier Batman generation.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
There's a lot of worse Batman films, there's a
few better ones, but this iseasily probably one of the top
five Batman movies of all time.
It's probably one of the topthree Batman movies.
It's up there.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I mean it's hard to compete with like stuff, like
the null one, but then againthey have had, they had more
resources to to make that onebetter and more time and more to
develop and stuff.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think for the, the product
that we got in 1989 was probablythe best they could have done.
Yeah, I think in 1989.
This is probably a 9 out of 10movie, yeah, or at least an 8, 8
1⁄2.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I give it an 8, just you know, for me Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Granted.
I like.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Batman a lot, but there are, like we were saying,
I do like the Batman Begins andDark Knight and stuff, access.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Chemicals.
You know the 1940s kind of vibe.
You know the 1940s kind of vibeyou know comic book-y looking
nonsense, but I mean they triedto do the same thing in the
Nolan trilogy, in the first one,where it kind of had a little
flavor of that With, like thebig monorail thing it's going
through the city Like Marta.
Yeah, like Marta.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
Some stuff almost had a steampunk-esque kind of feel
to it, like consumerism, likethe city eating itself.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, a lot of steam going on.
It had its own style of it.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I give it an 8, a little bit higher than y'all,
just because it set the tone foreverything going forward to me
in superhero movies, because youcan have a more serious tone of
a superhero movie as opposed tothe Batman 8-9 and even the
Superman.
Because, like I said, you likedit and I like it, but it was
still kind of goofy and campy itwas, but it was the absolute

(01:00:03):
first of its kind where peoplewere trying to take a superhero
movie seriously.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
So 7.5, I feel like it's pretty on the nose.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
That's kind of what we equal out to, so I'm right.

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