The Journey From Heaven to Hell with Dave Scatchard | Ep. 13 - Entitled To Nothing

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm proud of the man that I've become.
At the beginning, it was thiskid chasing his dream trying to
do the big thing and then, whenall that goes away and you have
no identity, what are you?
What's your purpose?

(00:22):
Why am I here?
It got so dark for me.
I don't want to go here, butI'm going here.
This is early in the interview.
This is going to be a goodinterview.
I won't waste another minute.
No, I won't.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm a man on a mission.
I don't need no permission.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Welcome to Entitled to Nothing,where we believe our life is
our fault.
My name is Mink and I startedthis show because I've spent the
last 20 years running headfirstinto failure after failure, and
I've learned how to turn myfailures into lessons, and I've
used those lessons to createlife on my terms.

(01:13):
I went from broke and bankruptwith six figures in debt to
starting multiple companies thathave generated over 50 million
in sales, and I wanna shareeverything I've learned on my
journey to help inspire you onyours.
I'm really excited about thisweek's episode because I'm going
to sit down with a good friendof mine, dave Skatchard, who is

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a former pro hockey player.
He was in the NHL for 14 yearsand really has an incredible
story of growing up in a smallcoal miners town in nowhere,
canada, and he found his way tothe NHL, becoming a top player
in the league, leading his teamand goals at one point, and then

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ultimately suffering frommultiple concussions that left
him with blurred speech, loss ofmemory.
He got to the point where healmost thought about taking his
life because his concussions hadbeen so bad that he couldn't
function and ultimately, doctorstold him he was going to be
disabled forever and, being thefighter that he is, he didn't

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take no for an answer and hefought back for himself, for his
family, his wife and his kids,and ultimately he's figured out
how to heal himself.
He spent over seven figures onmedical treatments and
alternative therapies to healhis brain and come back from the
brink.
And in this episode we talkabout life.
We talk about pro hockey,overcoming adversity and,

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ultimately, how to be anall-star in every area of our
life.
So this episode, I think youguys are going to really love it
.
We cover a lot of ground andDave, right out of the gate, you
can get a sense that Dave is aman that just has a big heart as
he gets right into it and getsemotional in the beginning.
I love this conversation andI'm excited to share it with you

(03:02):
guys.
Hope you enjoy.
I'm super excited to welcome tothe show my good friend, dave
Skatcher.
Dave, thanks for being here.
Brother, hey man, it's my honor.
I feel like I've known you foralmost a decade now.
We met at Tony Robbins in 2014.
Um, but, reading your book, Igot to know a part of you that I
didn't know, and it was.
It was such a beautifulexperience for me.

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I I brought some stuff down asI was going through it.
You grew up in a small coaltown.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Coal town your dad was a coal miner yeah, um, you
left home at 16 to go playsemi-pros hockey, junior.
Yeah, which is like you knowyou're going for it at that
point yeah, 14 years in the prosteam, captain, leading scorer
on the team.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Then you were cut from multiple teams.
You played for the New YorkIslanders during 9-11 kind of
the height of your career.
In a lot of ways you werecrushing it for the Islanders.
You and your team went down toground zero a few days after it
happened.
Yeah, to try to give moralsupport, right, you've had the
ability to be in the spotlight,be on the ice in front of

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millions of people, but but thenyou've been cut from multiple
teams, multiple MCL surgeries,tears, five concussions and what
was crazy to me is theconcussions knocked.
The fifth concussion knockedyou out for 12 minutes where you
had a near death experience.
You came back, lost memory,crazy headaches, all sorts of

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issues, and you were reallystruggling to figure out what
you were going to do next.
And then what you ended updoing was turning that journey
into a mission to serve andsupport others.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah.
It's really powerful bro, it'sthe biggest blessing in my life.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
And I didn't always feel that way.
Let me ask you this, yeah, thiswho is David Skatchard.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
When you think about your life and the journey and
all you've done, when did itstart?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm going to get emotional because I'm proud, I'm
proud, I'm proud of the manthat I've become.
At the beginning, it was thiskid chasing his dream trying to

(05:19):
do the big thing and then, whenall that goes away and you have
no identity, what are you?
What's your purpose?
Why am I here?
It got so dark for me I don'twant to go here, but I'm going
here.
This is early in the interview.
This is going to be a goodinterview.
You know it had gotten so darkfor me that I couldn't hold my

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children, couldn't take care ofthem, I couldn't be in the sun,
I couldn't push my kid on aswing set, I couldn't drive long
distances, I couldn't listen toanything loud, everything was
just jarring to me and I wasliterally like hiding at a movie
theater at my house and I wouldjust go in the dark and just
sit there like all day and belike, why am I here?

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Like I had a movie theater atmy house and I would just go in
the dark and just sit there likeall day and be like, why am I
here?
Like I'm a burden to my wife,I'm a burden to my kids.
I can't work, I can't function,I can't read.
I had five properties in threecountries, multimillion-dollar
properties.
I used to be amazing at realestate and I couldn't even read
a real estate contract.

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I'm sitting there.
And I'm sitting there like,like I can't the male clinic had
.
I'd done work with them forthree years and at one point
they said sorry, buddy, likewe've done all our protocols,
you're just permanently disabled.
And I'm like what do you mean?
You guys are the best doctorsin the world, you're.
If you can't fix me, who'sgonna fix me?
yeah and the doctor was likealmost in tears.
He's like I'm sorry, likethat's just how it's gonna be.
And at the time I had no memory, like I had no short-term

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memory.
I I drive down the road like aman with dementia and I have to
call my wife and be like wheream I going?
Like what am I supposed to do?
And she's like you're going tothe grocery store.
It's like go up to the grocerystore and I'm like why?
Why am I here?
Eggs, bananas, milk, okay, good, literally walk around the
grocery store going like eggs,eggs, eggs.

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I go, I'd find the eggs and Icouldn't remember the other
things, and this is like I'm 36years old and it got to the
point where I'm like how am Igoing to live another 60 years
like this?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
because this isn't flying.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I started thinking about like checking out, and I
love life, so for me to talkabout.
I get really emotional becauseit's been tough, but on the flip
side and we'll get into thewhole story about how it
happened but I've flipped it nowwhere it's not about me.

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None of this.
From now on, this is a freeroll of life.
So none of this stuff is for me.
It's not.
My mission is to be a vessel andto let things flow through me
and to support people, no matterwhere they're at, because the
people that come to me and thisis what I understand now is I

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thought God was punishing me forsomething I'm like why are you
punishing me?
I'm a good person and when Ifinally got on my healing
journey, the message that camethrough to me was I'm not
punishing you, I'm teaching you,I'm training you for the people
that are going to start to comeyour way.
I wouldn't know whathopelessness felt like unless I
lived there.
I wouldn't know whatdesperation or fear or anxiety

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or stress like.
I never had any of those things.
I always had a really clearjourney to the NHL.
So I'm very blessed that way.
But now, when one of my clientscomes and they're going through
something like hey bro, I getit, I've been there, I've been
right where you're at.
Yeah.
And this is sort of the thingsthat I did to get out.
Do you want to try it?
And it's like, oh, they finallyfeel like somebody gets them.

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You know what I mean.
And same thing with you, like,I know the fact that you've had
struggles and you know you'vehad to rebuild and you've had to
restart and do things like that, but now you're sharing it and
now you're teaching it.
I believe, for all of us outthere, if you've had things
happen to you that are strugglesor that you've been through, I

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don't think those are like asecret for you to keep to
yourself.
I think that we're all teachersfor each other.
So that's why I love thesemastermind groups, that's why I
love coaching, that's why I loveall these things is because it
creates a community where abrotherhood, a sisterhood, a
family, where people canunderstand each other and take
them right where they're at,with no judgment.

(09:34):
Like imagine if our world waslike that, where we could
literally just live and have nojudgment and no fear of like
telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, and vulnerability, and vulnerability
, and responsibility andvulnerability.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
People.
This is the craziest thing islike I thought when I wrote the
book and told the near-deathstory, everyone's gonna think
I'm crazy, and like I didn'twant people to know how bad it
got and I thought about killingmyself and all this stuff.
And it's been the completeopposite.
I can't believe how many peoplecome out of the woodwork and be
like bro, I can't believe yousaid that.
But like I've been through theexact same thing and I never
told anybody.
And now we have this commonthing and I don't want to say

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I've got to go live there andstay there.
That's not the thing.
Okay, we all had stuff happen tous, but if we stay there,
that's where we punish ourselves.
There is access to light, thereis access to humans who know
more than you and otherexperiences and things that you
haven't even seen yet.
So go find them, go chase it,go hunt it down.
And it's in the future.

(10:26):
It's not in the past.
Like for me, all my energy isin the future.
What I'm about to create, whoI'm going to meet, what
connection I'm going to do, whatpodcast, how big is this impact
going to be, this conversationthat we're having?
So some people get stuck thereand they unpack their bags, they
go down into the pit.
We all go into the pit.
But if you don't unpack yourbags there and set up shop and
make that your home which I didfor three years on my struggles

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I just got real and honest andsaid, man, I don't know what's
going on, but like this isterrifying.
But I will do whatever it takesto get out of this thing.
I will wake up early.
I will become a vegetarian or avegan, I'll stop drinking.
I'll do whatever I can to shift, because what I'm doing now
doesn't give me the energy toheal.
The shield and the armor and themasks that I have put up are

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not allowing God's blessings toheal me or to affect me, because
I'm so like locked up.
I'm trying to still be toughand it wasn't until I removed
all that and got super real andhonest and be like, okay, this
is terrifying because I've hadmy armor on for my whole career
when guys are trying to fight meto take my job.

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I got to leave home the firsttime I got, uh, the spanking
from my dad.
First time I got my heart brokefrom a girl.
The first time I got cheated on.
The first time I got, you know,bad stuff happened to me.
It makes you layer up whereyou're like, oh, that hurt way
too much.
And if you're extremelysensitive person, like I am, I'm
super empathic and I feel a lotof things.
I thought if I covered up thislittle sensitive soul, little

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david, in here, that we could godo the things we had to do, and
it's some of it served me andsome of it held me back from
healing later on, which I had tokind of pick the armor that.
I was using, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I mean, first off, thank you for just being so
vulnerable and open and justdiving right into it.
I think what you explained islike what my life philosophy is
my life is my fault.
We're going to get in a pit,Like hopefully it's not as deep
or as dark as it could be right,Hopefully we don't have to go
to the level that potentiallyyou were at mentally,

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emotionally and physically.
But when you get in that pit,we're always going to have one
in our lives and you can staythere and you can be a victim of
that circumstance or you canfind a way to be the creator or
the reinventer of it.
And that's why I believe itdoesn't matter what our
situation is, how dire the oddsor the straights are.

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If you can say this is happeningfor me, this is my fault, how
can I grow from this, growthrough this and become better
in spite of it?
I think ultimately, on theother side of it, we're more
complete human.
One of my favorite authors isMichael Singer, and in his book
the Surrender Experiment, hetalks about this and he says
every experience in life ismaking us a greater version of

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ourselves.
We're more complete humanbecause of that and then, to
your point.
Because we've went through that, we now have the capacity to
serve at a higher level, becauseyou can connect with people
that have had that level ofhopelessness, that level of pain
, that level of suffering.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I think it breaks down the barrier instantly and
it creates relatability.
You, what I mean, and I, I knowyou were.
We've done stuff with tonytogether before and I remember
he drew this uh expansion, likeuh drawing, and it was a circle.
And until you go through thishard thing over here, your limit
is only here.
But now you're, once you makeit out, your circle gets bigger.

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You are, your capacity getsbigger.
And then you've got somethingweird that happens over here and
it's a financial thing.
And but now, once you make itout, your circle gets bigger,
your capacity gets bigger.
And then you've got somethingweird that happens over here and
it's a financial thing, andyou've got to figure it out.
Oh, now you can handle this.
Now it's a relationship thing.
Oh, now you can handle this.
And before you know it, eachexperience builds your capacity
level, where you go throughstuff and you're like, yeah,
I've been through this before,not a big deal, I'll this before

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, not a big deal, I'll figure itout, right, yeah.
And it's like, if you stopfeeling like you're the victim
and go, what am I supposed tolearn here?
Like, like, literally, justlike, sit in the quiet, and
that's another thing too.
I used to.
I used to be able to.
Really I did massive meditationwork and stuff.
When I got back from india andand I was, I was really
connecting and I was asking godlike how do I stay in this
healing space?
And the message was back to mewas that I needed to create that
space for it to happen.

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It's not going to happen when mykids are all running around.
It's not going to happen whenmy wife's asking for something.
It's not going to happen whenI'm driving, when I'm flicking
on my phone.
I need to build that space andfor me that was four o'clock in
the morning.
I go to my movie theater and Istart to do my work, and I would
pray, I'd be grateful, I gothrough the whole routine,
everything it was, and then Iwould be open to like receiving
messages.
And this is where it starts toget really trippy, because

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everything that I've seen hashappened right.
But if you can see it, then youcan believe it and then you can
achieve it.
Well, that's pretty good I musthave read that somewhere at some
point, or maybe it was amazing.
But you know it takes theguesswork out.
If you put a target out thereand you clarify that, that's

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where I'm headed and I teachthis, you know, in my coaching
programs.
If you don't have a target outthere, if you're not super clear
I had a girl yesterday reachout to me about coaching.
I said what would you like tosee out of coaching?
To work together?
for a year she says, well, I'mnot really sure.
I said, okay, listen, and Isent her a few things.
I go fill this out, think aboutit and then come back to me

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because I don't want to wasteyour time and you don't waste my
time.
And what happens is people goand they want to do something,
but they're not quite sure whatand they haven't, like, dialed
it in.
So it's like going to play golfand you don't know if you're
hitting a 7-iron, you don't knowif it's a par 5.
You don't know if there's waterin front, you don't know what
hole you're playing because youdon't see the flag.
You haven't put a flag outthere for anything.

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I think when people claimPeople claim something.
This is where I'm going theymight get diverted.
It might not work out exactlylike the way that they but at
least they're heading in theright direction Does this make
sense A hundred percent youvisualize this yeah, you and
people that work here have atarget that you're trying to hit
in a service level that youwant to reach, and you know that

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if you do those things, goodthings are going to happen.
Yeah, so then it's really up toyou, right?
You're entitled to nothing.
So if you go play Candy Crushall day long, the odds of you
achieving those goals arenothing.
But if you create a plan and tostart taking action

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consistently, with disciplineand focus, you'll get there
eventually.
I don't know if you rememberthis.
With discipline and focus,you'll get there eventually.
Yeah, I don't know if youremember this.
I saw Keith Cunningham and hewas talking and he said if I
asked an entrepreneur to crumpleup like step on a soda can an
empty one and throw it fivemiles down the road, do you know
where I'm going with this?
Yeah, yeah, do you remember, Iuse this all the time and it's

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like nobody can throw it fivemiles.
But if I ask you to drop it onthe ground and just kick it down
the street and just kick it forfive miles, your job is just
kick that can for five miles.
Eventually you'll get there,yeah, so I tell my clients I'm
like kick the can, just keepkicking the can so good.
Right and it's so simple.
Yeah, but people on likeMcDonald's, they want Amazon

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Prime, they want instantgratification where, sorry, but
great things don't just likehappen like that.
You know there's amazingmiracles and things that can
happen, but I think on aconsistent level to continue to
grow and scale.
It's that, step by step by step.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I love it.
It's such a beautiful analogyand I love his quote ordinary
things practiced consistentlycreate extraordinary results.
Like what's more ordinary thankicking the can lights as a
professional athlete?
When you were first gettingstarted yeah, when did you say

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how old were you when you saidI'm gonna play in nhl and?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
then years old you were three years old I was in
preschool and they were doingthe thing, like what do you want
to be?
And I drew like a little hockeyplayer and then at four and
five and six I would tell whatteam and like all these things
is wild.
And then when I was like six orseven, I had this conversation
with my dad and I said, uh, dad,I want to play in the nhl.

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My dad is so cool, like he was,he's my idol and my hero and
most positive human being andkind of a crazy guy himself
adrenaline junkie, and you know,barefoot water skied and did
all this crazy.
You know he was one of thefirst hang gliders in Canada.
He had one of the first hanggliding licenses where those
things were like metal deathtrap and he'd run and jump off

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these mounds.
And I'm a little boy watching mydad like fly like Superman,
like how can you not idolizesomebody like that?
And he was fearless.
So he taught he sort of taughtme that anything is possible.
So when I told him I want toplay in the NHL, he was so cool,
he goes okay.
He said what do you thinkyou're going to have to do to
get in the NHL?

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And I said, well, I'm going tohave to, like, practice a lot,
and he goes okay.
But like what specifically?
Like what's the differencebetween an NHL player and you?
And I said, oh geez, they'rebigger, they're stronger, they
skate faster, they stick handlebetter, they shoot the puck
better Like, I have so much tolearn.
And he goes okay.
So what's one thing right nowyou can do every day?
And if you did this one thingevery day, it would move you

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closer to achieving your goal.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Your dad said this to you at like seven years old.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, and he was a Tony Rock.
Listen, I'd be in India.
The monk in India is telling methe same thing.
My dad taught me growing up.
Tony would say something, andI'm like my dad taught like.
My dad grew up on a farm inSaskatchewan and Alberta.
He was a farm boy but he waslike way ahead of his time with
his thought process.

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He was truly remarkable.
I'm so blessed and it's part ofthe reason why I do what I do
now.
I want to keep for his memory.
But he said what's one thingyou can do now?
And I said I could shoot pucks.
At least my shot will be good.
He goes okay, like how manypucks I'm like I don't know 100
a day.
He goes 100 a day done, but hegoes.

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If you're going to do that, yougot to do it.
So, so okay, he goes like rain,snow, cold, hot.
You're gonna do this.
I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.
So as a little boy I had a milkcrate and I'll go around after
practice, after the big boyspractice, and they shoot them
off the crossbars and they goover them and I would just
collect them.
I never went and bought 100pucks, like we didn't have much
money, so I would just collectthem.

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I'd steal, my pockets would bestuck and and I go home and
eventually I had over 100.
I had like 150.
And then he asked the people atthe rink if we could have one
of the old nets and they justgave it to him.
So we take the net out and it'sin my backyard and my shot was
terrible at the beginning and itstarted getting harder and
harder and harder and then Iwould shoot 100 a day.

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I'd come in and I'd just beproud.
Sometimes it would be multiplehunters.
As I got older it would be like,all right, 25 off the bottom
left post, 25 off the top routeand when it comes down to it, I
won most accurate shots in theNHL during my whole career and
it probably made me millionsmore dollars and helped me stay
in the league when maybe Iwasn't skating as well as I got

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injured and older and thingslike that.
But for everybody listening,what's your hundred pucks a day,
what?
What that means to you is like,what are the things that you
can do every day that are justgoing to gently progress you and
it's not like you're killingyourself?
I was watching this thing aboutsteph curry and the shots he
takes and you know I think we'regoing to be 2.5 million shots a

(22:02):
year if you take 500 shots aday over his lifetime?
Yeah yeah.
Okay.
So you think you take 2.5million practice shots, your
shots are going to be prettydarn good.
So if you're a businessman oryou're a sales guy and you make
2.5 million calls over yourcareer, do you think you're
going to be great at closingyeah, yeah.

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Or if you're a marketer runningads 2.5 million ads do you
think you're going to be greatat closing yeah, yeah.
Or if you're a marketer runningads 2.5 million ads do you
think your ads are going to getbetter?
Like it's not rocket science,but it takes some consistent
kick in the can, kick in the can, yeah.
So when you break it down likethat, like I, you know, I don't
know, it's not in the book, butI ran an ironman, uh, last year,
which is a miracle consideringI couldn't walk around my block

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after my injuries happened.
So like that was crazy story,but same thing.
I trained that way.
I started off with a one milewalk to one mile run and then
gentle, gentle progressions overthe course of nine months.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think, like what you're explaining right now is
so critical, because most peoplethink that in order to make a
monumental change, it takes amonumental effort.
And I think the truth is itjust takes consistent effort for
a long period of time.
It's not front loaded and weoften think, oh my God, if I'm
going to lose all of this weightor make this giant change or
start this business, I'm goingto have to do all of these

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things.
And the answer is yes, but youjust have to chunk it down and
do in.
In our, in our world, in inbusiness, we use the terms lead
measure and lag measure.
So a lead measure is somethingthat you can control and a lag
measure is a result right, soyou could control a hundred
pucks a day.
You could control left, youknow right, bottom, top, et

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cetera.
You couldn't control what yourshooting percentage was in the
game, but by controlling yourlead measures and shooting those
hunter pucks, the lag measuretook care of itself.
And then you were.
You know, you analyze the data.
And then you did it again andagain.
And so I think you know, when Ifirst got started as an
entrepreneur, I genuinely had noidea what to do or where to go

(24:05):
or how to make it happen.
And so my model of success waswhat I learned playing
basketball.
It was like, well, if I want toget good at basketball, I need
to shoot 100 form shots a day,just like 100 pucks.
Okay, well, in business, what'sthose 100 shots a day?
I don't know.
Okay, well, let me just read asmuch as I can, let me buy books
and conferences and trainingcourses and hire people to teach

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me what I don't know, because Idon't even know what I don't
know.
But I know, if I know what todo, I'll fucking do it, and I'll
just.
Consistent action over timewill get me there.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Awareness- just having an awareness about your
blind spots and awareness aboutwhat you're trying to do and a
target that's half the battle,yeah, trying to do and a target,
that's half the battle, yeah,like clarity, action, and here's
the thing.
Okay, and I, I did a speech theother day for this uh tech
company and I, I got up there.
I didn't mean to do this, but Ikind of ripped them a new one

(24:56):
and I go how many of you havebought software before, because
a bunch of people just boughtall the software from this guy
that was on stage before me.
Yeah, and like the wholeaudience puts up their hand and
I go, how many of you havemaximized the software that you
have?
It's like the courses we buy,right?
Yeah, and like three people outof like 100 put up their hand
and I said so, what think?
what makes you think that thatsoftware you just bought now is

(25:19):
the difference maker?
Because you've already boughtother software that didn't do
anything for you.
I go if your head's not right,if your actions aren't right, if
your energy isn't there, itwon't happen.
Sorry, and the whole audienceis like shocked.
I see the people who hired mein the back and I go don't worry
, I'll get there.
But energy is everything.

(25:41):
Okay, now you say it doesn'thave to be this massive amounts
of energy.
You say consistent energy overtime.
I agree with that a thousandpercent.
But it's going to take youdifferent qualities and
different types of energy tomove the needle.
You've been doing the samething forever and it's not
moving.
Something has to come anddisrupt to bring in a different

(26:08):
source or amount of energy,right?
So then I I like to look at itlike um, you know, you've got
this opportunity.
Um, if I go in with with energypoor, I can only.
This is my vibration, I canonly see opportunity.
That's here energy neutrallittle higher, I can see
opportunity.
That's here, energy neutral.
A little higher, I can seeopportunity.
That's here.
I can't see what's up here.
I'm not vibrating that high.

(26:29):
If I'm energy rich, I can see alittle bit higher and oh,
there's an opportunity.
This is a connection I shouldmake.
This is somewhere where Ishould go.
But if you can harness theenergy and use it to get to
super rich and you can take alook around and go, whoa,
there's opportunity all over theplace.
Which one do I want to take andwhich one's aligned
authentically with me and who Iam, then you're onto something

(26:51):
and then you start to tune intothat frequency.
You're like whoa.
But if you're, if you're hungover, if you're, if you're, if
you're dragging ass, if you'renot taking care of yourself, if
you're eating poor food, you it.
I've done it.
I've I've done eightthanksgiving meal and I'm having
fun with my family and all of asudden, like I'm conking out on
the couch and I'm a waste ofskin for the entire day.
I'm barely watching thefootball game and I'm like man,

(27:13):
I just blew a day.
New year's eve, everyone goesand gets shit face pardon my
language and uh, like you'rewhat you're, it takes me two or
three days to recover.
I haven't drank at New Year'sthe last three or four years and
I'm like why would I start anew year behind?
I'm jumping ahead of all theother people.
You know how many players werebetter than me in the NHL, like

(27:35):
on the way to the NHL Almosteverybody.
That's probably the worstplayer, but I made it and those
other guys didn't.
Because I consistently showedup, I consistently worked at it.
Some didn't because Iconsistently showed up, I
consistently worked at it.
Some got lazy, some got cocky,some couldn't handle the mind.
Fuck that it is to go and dothis hard thing when everybody's
like.
Think about it.
At the time when I was playing,700 people in the entire world

(27:55):
get to do that job.
Yeah, 700 out of 7 billion atthe time, or 8 billion that your
odds aren't super great.
Right, I don't know what themath is on that, but how did I
do it?
I come from a coal mining townwith a family without a lot of
money.
I worked paper route since Iwas nine, cutting lawns I have

(28:16):
made.
I built this guy and then I hadto rebuild him after everything
else broke again.
I was so crippled, I was somessed up I couldn't function.
So I slowly had to rebuild thisguy.
So I don't care where anybodyis at this time and your
circumstances, that does notequal your reality, it does not
equal your future, because I'mproof, you're proof.

(28:39):
But it wasn't easy and there aretimes where I just was
literally at my wits end and I'mlike man, something's got to
break here or else I'm going tobreak.
I'm like, bro, have faith, man,you got to know that this is
happening for you.
And then, years later, when I'mcoaching somebody, when I'm on
stage or something happens, Idownload something and something
comes out of me from anexperience that I had and I know
the answer that I don't knowhow I know the answer, but I

(29:00):
know the answer thing with you,it's because it's in you, it's
part of you, it's a fabric ofyour life.
I'm proud of this man.
The reason why I started cryingat the start of this interview
is I'm proud of this dude Ibuilt and I built him twice.
I've reinvented myself.
Going back to my dad, he's likeyou know my body.
I was the skinniest boy ever.

(29:22):
I always played with kids thatwere two years older than me.
Because I worked on my skills.
I got caught up to them so Icould play with them, but I was
so skinny these kids are tryingto rip my head off my whole
career.
People were trying to hit meand fight me and I was not a
physical player.
I didn't get in my first fighton the ice until I was 16, and I
had to Got my nose smashed allover my.
I fought the toughest guy inthe league and I'm like, wow,

(29:49):
that actually wasn't that badright.
And then you start thinking,wow, if I fought the toughest
guy in the league, anybody elsethat's coming to challenge me
I'll fight them, because theycan't be as tough as this guy
and I can't get beat up as badas I got beat up and I started
like killing guys and I didn'teven know how to fight.
But I was tall and skinny,right, and same thing I worked

(30:11):
out in the gym.
I found the biggest, strongestguy on the team and I would work
out with him.
I'm away from home at 16.
I got $2.25 poutine Poutine isfries and gravy and cheese.
I didn't want to bother myfamily for money.
I had like $275.
I saved up working atMcDonald's and I moved away at
16.

(30:31):
I'm living with a billet family.
They had two babies.
They didn't know how to feed me, so I would go down and sneak
poutine for $2.25 and then go tothe gym.
I would eat protein shakes, allthis stuff, and I was six foot
three, 160 pounds maybe, and Iwas just training like training,
like a savage.
I'm the last guy in the gym.
Nothing's happening to my body,nothing happened at all.

(30:55):
Okay, fast forward.
I had mono on my draft year.
I'm 17 years old.
I go down to 135 or 140 poundsat six foot three.
My throat was closed, Icouldn't eat, my spleen was
enlarged.
I had to stop my season.
It's my draft year.
I'm like, oh, my god, what'sgonna happen?
Right, I'm 17 and I end upgetting back at the end of the

(31:16):
year and I play a few games inplayoffs and I play really well,
and then I keep training.
Well, the draft is coming up.
We got central scouting, whichis like the combine, and I just
keep training.
After the season.
All the other guys took time off, they went and relaxed the
season's over and I missed a lotof the season.
All the other guys took timeoff, they went and relaxed the
season's over and I missed a lotof the season.
So I'm like, just in the gym Igo down to the combine or the

(31:36):
central scouting testing andthis skinny little kid who could
not put on weight could notgain weight.
I just smash everybody.
I finished first in the worldin fitness testing, even though
I wasn't like bulky, I was justlike strong and agile and all
those things and that helped meget drafted into the second
round, 42nd overall in the world.
But the Vancouver Canucks whodrafted me said one of the

(31:58):
things that made us trade up toget you was your fitness level.
We can't teach that.
You'll be ready every game.
You take care of your body, youtake care of your health.
We can teach you how to playhockey.
We can't teach your size.
We can't teach your strength.
We can't teach your endurancethat's.
You've already built that, sothat was part of the reason why

(32:19):
I got drafted higher.
Nobody really knows that story.
My point is I ended up playingin the league at 220 pounds, at
228 pounds, like ripped, likesix percent body fat cut, all
natural, never done anything andbut nothing happened for years

(32:40):
when I was lifting nothing, Icould not gain weight, I could
not gain muscle and all of asudden something clicked and I
it's like the tipping point yeahit's just like I came to camp
when you're everyone's like dude, what did?
And it's just like poof.
And I came to camp one year andeveryone's like dude what did
you take?
Are you on steroids orsomething?
I'm like?
No, never I took creatine.
That was the only thing I evertook and I literally could not

(33:01):
believe that I was the same boy.
That was the scrawniest, youknow.
Ribs and nuts is all you sawwhen you saw me?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Where does that A the work ethic right and B the
ability to stay at it when itseems like nothing is happening
for you?
Where does that come from?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, the work ethic came from my dad.
He worked in the coal mines.
He would work the night shiftand then he'd come home and go
coach hockey practice and thenhe'd be the bus driver.
He'd be the team manager andmanager and be the coach of the
team.
And he he would.
He could stretch a dollarfarther than any man that I ever
met in my life, but he wouldwork his ass off and he'd sleep.
He goes sleep when we're dead,like let's just go, let's, let's
just crank it out, and and wewould do amazing things all the

(33:48):
time.
Like I'd say, I wonder if Icould swim across that lake.
And he's like well, there'sonly one way to find out.
And like I'm sitting in boardshorts and like okay, I actually
I'm on that page.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I want to read this story because it's crazy to me.
Um, so you, basically you'retalking about your dad and how
you know he did the.
He was the first person, or thesixth person to paraglide, or
whatever, right the license, allthe things, yeah.
And then you say one summer didthe?
He was the first person or thesixth person to paraglide, or
whatever, right the license, allthe things, yeah.
And then you say one summer,after I'd been in the NHL for a
couple of years, we went all out, or we, we all went out to the

(34:20):
lake, like old times, sitting onthe shore together looking over
the water.
I said, how far do you think itis to the other side of the
Island?
Your dad's like I don't know.
Basically, he tells you you'relike, well, let's find out,
right.
And you just get up and youwalk into the water, yeah, and
you start swimming, yeah, yeah,what?
What happens next?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Well I'm.
I'm not a great swimmer and atthat time I was probably 200
pounds.
My legs are super heavy.
I don't have good form, my legsare sinking.
I could breaststroke prettygood and I try, try freestyle,
and then when I get tired I'd goon my back.
But my dad just walks upcasually, grabs a canoe and he
just starts like paddling besideme.
We don't really talk, okay,like it was such a weird thing.

(35:01):
It was like me and you talkingand I'm like I wonder how far
across the lake You're?

(35:21):
Like only one way to find outand say anything.
I just start walking and hejust walks up and grabs a canoe
and comes.
And that's kind of how he waswith my whole life.
He was right beside me.
Yeah, yeah, I miss him.
Um, but what a great role modeland sometimes just having
somebody beside you supportingyou, no matter what if I?
didn't make it, he'd still loveme, but I it.
And the funniest thing is I getacross to the other side and
this takes like a couple hoursokay.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
And I'm floating.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Sometimes I've got to catch my breath and then like
we don't really talk.
He's like you good.
I'm like, yeah, I'm good, and Ikeep going.
I finally get to the other side, my feet touch on to swim back
and as soon as I start to swimback, I feel a current kind of
helping me for a little bit andI go dad, I've been swimming up
in the up current the whole timebecause, yeah, I kind of

(35:59):
figured that, but I didn'treally want to like stress you
out.
He goes you know what, youdidn't say anything about
swimming back.
He goes get in the boat and I'mlike, oh yeah, so I get in the
boat and he's like that wascrazy good job.
I'm.
I'm like thanks, that was it,that was me and my dad.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Dude, I read this story and, honestly, I got so
emotional and you're like, henever told me I couldn't do
anything.
He never told me to stop, nevertold me to change course.
He just stayed beside me andlet me know that he was there
and that he believed in me.
And let me know that he wasthere and that he believed in me

(36:35):
.
You know it's crazy becausethat hits me so deep, because I
had the exact opposite.
My dad told me everything Icouldn't do and how I was a
worthless piece of shit, overand over and over again.
And you know what the best partabout this is the greatest gift
I think you had was your father, and I think my father was my
greatest gift, because they bothinstilled us the exact same
lesson.
The greatest gift I think youhad was your father and I think
my father was my greatest gift?
Yeah, because they bothinstilled us the exact same

(36:56):
lesson.
They just went about it adifferent way.
Yeah, it's fucking beautifulbro.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah and I would say I'm sorry that you didn't have
that support, but I also feellike that was a lot of your fuel
.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
That was all your fuel 100%, and I think it's like
your experience with your dadthat fuels you to serve.
Yeah, and it's my experiencewith my dad that fuels me to
serve.
Because I didn't have it.
Yeah, you have to do it becauseyou did and I have to do it
because I didn't.
And it's like, regardless ofwhat your circumstance is, you

(37:28):
get to fucking choose how youshow up, how you live, how you
serve.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
You've heard these stories about the twin brothers
who go through the sameexperience and one goes off the
deep end and his life's trashbecause this happened to us and
the other brother goes on tosuccess because this happened to
us.
Yeah, it's your perspective.
It's one of the greatest thingsI learned from one of our
friends, donnie Epstein iseverything is perspective.

(37:54):
So at the beginning I mentionedthat my injuries were my
greatest gift ever to me.
People like how could you saythat?
The old me when it was goingthrough it, I thought I was
being punished and I thought whyis this happening to me?
Why me?
I could go play in the NHL andmake a couple million bucks a
year and just like carry on andlife's good.

(38:16):
I could retire, I could go golf, you know whatever, and god's
like no man.
That's not your plan.
I got a different plan and Igave you hockey to give you a
soapbox to preach from or tospeak from.
But your real mission is overhere and this is the real impact
.
This is a jump starter.
It gives you a little bit oflead on other people, but this

(38:39):
is like your real mission.
So then, for example, I starteddoing these free things during
covid, where I was helpingpeople online and we had 25 000
people come through our, ourchallenges and our free stuff
and many of them became clients,but there were probably 20
something thousand that neverbecame clients, but I blessed

(39:01):
them.
I was doing seven daychallenges.
I blessed them for seven days.
I still get emails today.
I still get text messages frompeople.
Man, your stuff changed my life.
I'm sorry, I couldn't afford itback then, but I'd like to do
something with you now.
That was years ago, bro.
It had nothing to do with memaking money.
It had nothing to do with I wasliterally just serving because

(39:22):
I was listening.
It's like what are you going todo to help all those other
people?
You work with pro athletes.
You work with famous people.
You work with rich people.
We're going through covet now.
People are melting down, peopleare losing their jobs,
everything, and what are youdoing for them?
You saw like it was almost likeI was selfish.
I'm like I don't know how to.
I don't even know how I woulddo it.
Yeah, you do yeah you got theresources, you got the

(39:42):
resourcefulness.
I started doing thesechallenges before I did day one
and we called the get your shittogether challenge because I
asked all my clients said, whydid you hire me?
And they like because I neededto get my shit together.
I felt like you helped me getmy shit together.
So I love the names.
I've made the Get your ShitTogether Challenge and everyone
reacted to it.
It was huge.
I ran $2,000 in ad spend.
I think we made like $27,000 byaccident.

(40:04):
I wasn't going to sell anythingat people and at the end of
people like hey, let's keepgoing, like oh, okay, let's
start some mastermind groups.
Here's one of my programs and Ijust filmed what I would do
with my high level clients and Ijust gave it to them for a few
hundred bucks and like we, youknow it's whatever two thousand
ad spend, twenty seven thousand,twenty five thousand dollar

(40:24):
profit.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's pretty good return.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So I'm like why don't we just keep doing?
This and then facebook didn'tlike the sh exclamation mark t,
so we had to change it and Ichanged it to the get your life
together challenge, which onceagain, it's not calling in my
ideal client avatar, becausemost people that are getting
their shit together, gettingtheir life together, don't have
any money.
I'm like that's okay and Iserved them without expecting

(40:48):
anything back yeah and magichappens when you do the free
thing and you give to people ina way that you're not expecting
anything back but it's authenticand real.
That creates massive loyalty,massive loyalty.
And same thing with you guys,with your brand, when you were
doing your Facebook groups andthose things.

(41:08):
We were talking before westarted filming and I was
watching you do it and I couldsee the engagement and how we
started filming and I waswatching you do it and I could
see the engagement and howbeautiful it was and it was real
and it was authentic and peoplewere like hey, tuning in, like
hey, tuning in to see you again.
I think you guys were doingbarbecues and stuff like that
right, 100.
But you know we were eventalking like when business
starts to grow and expand andwe're going so fast.

(41:29):
Sometimes we forget and wedon't do it on purpose, but we
almost don't have theresourcefulness to like be
everywhere all at once yeah butfor all the listeners who are in
business or or just fans of theshow when you show up and serve
without expecting anything back, magic happens yeah, and I

(41:49):
don't know how to explain it,but the more that I do it, the
more money I make and and themore I
feel like I'm actually living apurpose now, and that's getting
back to the beginning.
Why that's the greatestblessing is god, put me over
here.
He's like hey, you got moreexperiences.
You have every color of therainbow of experiences contrast.
I've got the highest highs, weget the darkest darks, and I'm

(42:11):
so grateful for that because Ican teach anywhere along there,
anywhere along there.
I feel completely comfortable.
I wouldn't have had that if Iwent from the NHL to coaching.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I'd be like hey, be positive, let's go, let's get to
work.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Because I wouldn't understand.
I didn't have compassion forpeople.
I didn't have patience, beingmessed up and having nobody to
talk to and feel like you'realone.
That that's.
That gives you time to think alot about, like how you treat
people and how people treat you.
Everybody loves you when you'rethe nhl guy and you're making
millions of dollars and all that, but then when you aren't,

(42:44):
who's still there?
How many people reached out tome and checked in on me to see
if I was doing okay?
When I wrote the book, peoplehad no idea that I went through
that because I went dark.
I didn't talk to anybody foryears.
I was embarrassed.
I didn't want them to see me ormy body or how messed up I was.
I couldn't even communicate,anthony, and it's like it's

(43:07):
terrifying, so for anybodylistening that's going through
stuff.
Know that it does.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
it's not going to last forever and it's actually
like gonna gonna make youstronger eventually, for sure,
sure you've obviously had manydefining moments throughout,
whether it's like gettingdrafted, moving away for the
first time, um the first injury,the first concussion, the last
concussion, the thoughts ofsuicide.
As you think back through thoseexperiences, what moments do

(43:33):
you think defined you the most?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's a great question .
I actually did a.
I was just trying to thinkabout what I could give back to
people on one of my trainingsand I drew my life like a stock
market graph.
Yeah.
And I was young and then acouple of weird things happened
when I was a kid and then I wentup again and then I moved away
from home and I got homesick andI wanted to come home and that

(43:57):
was a tipping point.
Okay, my mom says, well, youcan come home.
I was 16.
My whole team was almost 20.
We had a lot of older playersin this league that I was in.
I didn't make the team that Iwanted.
I had to go down to this lowerlevel and they weren't making it
easy on me.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
They didn't want to give up their ice time.
It's their last year.
It's their last year of junior.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
They want to light it up before they're done.
They're not going anywhere,most of them.
So here's this 16-year-old kid.
Do you think they want to sharetime with me?
No, they were going to, and Ihad a couple guys that kind of
would stick up for me a littlebit.
But I went from being the bigfish in the small pond with
parents who were honest anddidn't lie and all this to
savage.
I'm like this is what the?

(44:40):
real world's.
Like.
I was protected in my littlebubble and I go out and these
guys are assholes, they're liars, they're doing things to mess
me up, they're messing you knowwhat I mean Like bullying me a
little bit, and I couldn'tbelieve people would like be
like that, because that's nothow I am.
But it kind of started tocreate this like strength in me

(45:02):
where I'm like okay, well, Ican't just sit here and keep
taking this Like I've got tofight back.
And that day when my mom saidyou can still come home, your
bed's here.
We miss you, your brothermisses you, your sister misses
you.
All your friends are still here.
But I think you're going toregret it.
Wow.
And wouldn't it be bad if youregretted that for the rest of
your life?
Because, just like one of myfriends came back because he

(45:22):
couldn't handle it being away,he's a PE teacher now.
Like we were equal.
So if I would have made thechoice to go home, my life would
be completely different.
But it's almost like the tippingpoint almost on every one of

(45:42):
these stories is it's so hard, Idon't think I can do it again.
Like it takes it going that farand it's like a test.
You want this, you want it allthe way, or you're just gonna
like bail right when you're atthe end.
And when I buckle down and Icommit and I create like a
covenant with myself, a promisethat I will not stop, I will be

(46:05):
the hardest working player.
I don't care how many guysbully me, I don't care that the
coach hates me okay, they don'tget ice time.
I don't care that I gotta gofight, I don't care what I gotta
do, but I'm gonna like win.
Something magical happens andit like opens up yeah and I get
past that level.
It's like a video game and yougotta beat the dragon, yeah, but
how many times are you like youcan't figure it out?
And you're like man, like I'mbeating my head against the wall

(46:27):
, I can't figure this out.
And it's's almost like you gotto like look yourself in the
mirror and go fuck it, I'm allin.
I don't care how long, how hard, what I got to do, I'm in.
I'm going to outlast thenegativity and the darkness
that's trying to stop me, thoseevil forces and they can go pick
on Sally and Joe and Frank, whoaren't all in.
It'll stop them, but it's goingto let me go because I'll fight
till I die.

(46:48):
Like you have to have thislevel of like all-in-or-nothing
mentality to go to the nextlevel.
That's what it takes, and it'slike this happened over and over
and over again when I had themono and my body was destroyed
and I couldn't play the wholeseason.
It's my draft year.
All the scouts are looking atall my other teammates.
They're all getting rid of thepaper Like nobody looked at Dave
Skatcher.
How do I, freaking overridethis?

(47:09):
Well, at least I show up at thecombine in sick shape and I
blow people's socks off and if Ican get a few games in and
playoffs and score some goalsand fight and hit and somebody
will notice me right.
I wasn't even rated at thestart of the year in the draft.
Nobody knew who Dave Skatchardwas.
At Christmas I had a rating of168 before I got sick and I
didn't play most of the year andthen I went 42nd overall in the

(47:31):
world.
Like, think about that.
Only 41 guys went ahead of meout of the whole world and I
barely played.
I played like 40 games orsomething out of 70.
How does that happen?
Because I went like, fuck it,my legs are going to fall off,
I'm going to be coughing upblood, I don't care, I'm going
to train.
I was doing sprints, I waslifting, I was doing, I was like

(47:51):
two, three times a day, justobsessed.
And I think that the peoplethat I know that are successful
and people that I coach, they'resuccessful.
I can look them in the eye andI know they're winning.
Okay, I'll do it.
I'll tell them somethingoutrageous just to test them.
Hey, I think we got to do this.
Wow, all right, I'm in.
Other people are like hey,listen, I don't know how this is

(48:14):
going to work.
I got kids, I got this, I gotthat.
Well, listen, we all do.
Yeah.
Get up earlier, stay later, beefficient, show up with so much
energy that you produce massiveresults in your workflow right
away.
If I show up, half ass and Iget half, we've each had days
like this.
We talked about this.
We went for lunch the other dayand I was in a little bit of a

(48:35):
rut.
I just saw that you were in alittle bit of a rut and for me,
if my energy isn't right and I'mshowing up and I'm kind of not
sure which way I'm going, I'mkind of really not sure what I'm
trying to do here.
It's the worst feeling ever.
And it doesn't happen oftenbecause I'm really good at
managing my energy and myefficiency, but when it does,
it's like I got to slap myselfin the face and go bro, what are

(48:57):
we doing here?
And I think you do the samething.
What am I doing here, All right?
Well, this energy is notworking, so let's go get more
energy and make it happen andalign.
Sometimes for me it's alignment.
Something's out of alignment.
That's why it's not quiteworking and I slip into

(49:18):
alignment.
It's like a jet stream.
It's like swimming downhill inthe downstream in the river
instead of upstream.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah right, do you feel the same way?
100 I actually.
I was on a call yesterday andthey said uh, your frequency is
what you frequently see and thatspeaks to that energy level you
were talking about earlier.
It's like with the frequency orthe energy that you show up
with.
One of the things I know forsure in my life and it fucked me
a lot when I was younger iswhen I would get tired or a
little bit beat up or justdiscouraged, that lower energy

(49:45):
would lead to very limitingthoughts and in that moment I
would believe those limitingthoughts and then that would
reinforce the fact that I wasn'tgood enough to do this or that
or the other.
And it wasn't until I got to aplace much later in life
honestly really recently in thelast couple of years where I had
so much results in my life thatwhen those limited, limiting

(50:07):
beliefs came up, I was like Iknow this is bullshit, but why
is this coming up now?
And then I was able to observeit a little bit from a different
perspective and I realized,holy fuck, I only feel this way
when I'm super tired, when mybody like maybe I just had an
injury or a crazy workout, or Ididn't sleep well the last week,
and so now I'm like, anytime Ihave those severe thoughts of

(50:29):
lack or limitation.
I think about it, I feel it andthen, as soon as I can catch it
, I'm like, oh, I'm just tired,like there's no reason for me to
believe this bullshit.
Let me just get some extrasleep, let me do what I need to
do, let me do the things that Iknow that pull me out.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
So I think you're, I think you're a hundred percent
spot on and you nailed it andand think about this for all the
listeners, like when your bestfights with your significant
other happen.
They happen at night, right,because everybody's low energy.
They don't happen in themorning.
You don't wake up starting toscrap and argue with each other,
right.
When do people like usuallydrink or dip into, like

(51:05):
substance abuse or an addiction?
it's usually in the evening theyfuck off the diet when, when,
when, the, when the is startingto dip.
We don't like that feeling, sowe want a quick hit to pop us
back up into a higher energystate, which it usually happens
for a second, and then it startsto dip again.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
It's such an amazing point If anybody that's
listening.
If you have patterns ofbehavior that you don't like,
next time you engage in thatpattern, notice where you're at
in the time of the day and inyour energy pattern.
Notice where you're at in thetime of the day and in your
energy.
Right, If you've slept likeshit, chances are you're
probably going to do things thatare out of alignment of what
you want to accomplish.
I know for myself the time whereI indulge the most, whether

(51:41):
it's like, uh, binge watching TV.
Like, so, I don't like you, Idon't drink.
I've never drank smoke, doneanything because of my
experience with my dad.
Um, so what are my advice?
It's like, oh, um, so what aremy advice?
It's like, oh, I like to watcha good show.
Maybe I eat a little too muchdessert from time to time.
Like, uh, you know being alittle bit frivolous with my
time, and the only time I dothat is when I'm really tired or

(52:02):
I'm just exhausted and I want alittle bit of a discount, and
then you're like, all right,bring it in, yeah right and the
opposite of that is like so getup early, go through my morning
routine, get my work done.
I hate the fucking ice bath, butI do it every day to prove to
myself that I can, like, dowhatever I want.
Mental discipline, keepaccountability with myself.
I get out of that thing and Ifeel like I can run through a
wall, and it has nothing to dowith the ice bath or any of the

(52:25):
things that I'm doing.
It's a hundred percent becauseI'm honoring the word that I
have with myself and I'm doingthe things that I know I need to
do.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, I don't know if you saw that Tom Brady post the
other day, but it was powerfuland he just said like fuck, fuck
your feelings and fuck thatyou're not feeling good.
And he just went off and I waslike super impressed Cause like
I never really heard him speaklike that frankly and like, for
example, the day that I ran myIron man.
It's 140 miles.

(52:53):
I've never done any of thosethings.
I was terrified.
Actually, that's a good story,I'm gonna I'm gonna add a little
piece in here that I think isamazing advice.
But I look at my watch, mygarment, and it says training
readiness uh, 22 out of 100.
And I gotta go run 140 race.
So that doesn't mess with yourhead.

(53:14):
And I didn't sleep cause I waslike scared, you know, and you
gotta be there early and allthese things.
Um, what a crazy experience.
I could go for an hour on this,but I'll get to the.
The kind of the one of the bestlessons that I got.
And I called one of my friendsum mentors, donnie Epstein.
I go, donnie.
I've been having a problem withmy Achilles tendon from

(53:36):
training.
I think I tore it a little bit.
I'm nervous that I can do 140miles on this thing.
Do you have any words of advice?
I got this race in a couple ofdays and he goes.
Who are you doing this for?
You go, well, I want to seewhat I'm made of.
I want to push myself to mylimits.
I've never done anything likethis.
I'm 236 pounds running anIronman, like it's a pretty big

(53:56):
guy.
I want to show my kids what'spossible and I stood on stage at
one of my events and I told theaudience I was going to do an
Ironman to show them thatanything's possible.
And that was what kind of keptme training when I was training.
It was like.
I wouldn't want to train andArizona's hot, so I'd go do runs
at 3 o'clock in the morningbecause it was just too hot

(54:17):
during the day, and running 12miles by myself in the dark with
a headlamp on, and nobody cares.
But there were times I thoughtabout letting people down that
were believing in me or meprophesying that anything's
possible if you truly commiteverything, everything to, and I
don't want to let him down, soI would go for the run, I would
do the hard things and I calleddonnie, and donnie goes if

(54:41):
you're doing it for you and foryour kids and for your coaching.
Um, people, that's, that's notenough.
You're gonna get hurt, youwon't complete the race.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I'm like thanks for the vote of confidence.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
And he said you need to make it so big that it's
impossible for you to do it byyourself.
You're going to need help fromthe organizing intelligence of
the universe and God.
So why don't you make it thatyou're running this race?
Because our world's messed upright now.

(55:16):
So you need to blaze a newpathway for humanity and create
a path for other people tofollow in your wake.
So he goes.
It's not about Dave running therace.
You're running for humanity.
You're blazing a pathway forhumanity and creating a place
for others to follow.

(55:37):
And it sounds hokey, but themore that I started to think
about it I'm like whoa, what ifthis race was for that?
What if this whole race?
What if me completing this racemeans that we win against all
this weird stuff that's going onin our world?
And what if these 2,000volunteers are there to support
me?
What if I do this for my dadand heaven and my kids?

(55:59):
And what if I could be aninspiration to people that don't
even know me?
And what if I could tellstories from stages and on
podcasts for the rest of my lifeabout this crazy race that I
had no business being in?
And what if I could get throughit, having a blast, being in a
completely blissful state,high-fiving people, literally

(56:19):
being a radiant essence of lightand love, and enjoy every
second of it and not get hurt?
And what if I can complete itin under 17 hours, because the
cutoff was like 17.30 orsomething and I finished the
race in 12 hours and 50 minutes.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Is that?
Nonstop, 12 hours, nonstop.
Yeah, yeah, shit, bro.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
And 140 miles.
I had to swim half the race onmy the swim on my back.
I'm backstroking because I gotin.
I showed up an hour early andall my corral of my hour and
10-minute swimmers was full likeit was like this wide so I
couldn't like go and jump inwith everybody's.

(57:01):
It's a squash.
Everyone's ready to go for therace, like way before the race.
So I'm putting on my wetsuitand I'm like walking over and
I'm like where's my?
My guys are way up there andI'm like where's my guy?
My guys are way up there and Ihad to go back with the slower
group.
So I start swimming, my gogglesget kicked off.
I'm in Tempe Town Lake.
You can't even see your handsin front of your face.
I'm like, oh my God, this isgoing to be a long, 2.6-mile
swim and I'm not a great swimmer.

(57:22):
I worked on it all year.
But like I'm huge.
But I worked on my techniqueand form so I ended up flipping
over on my back and backstrokingand I was actually going the
same speed as the hour and 30,40-minute swimmers backstroking
and I didn't kick my legs.
I literally was just likecruising.
I'm like whoa, what if I didlike the whole race like this?

(57:44):
So I'm talking to my dad.
I'm imagining myself swimmingacross that lake when I was
younger.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And my dad's in heaven.
I'm seeing planes go by.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I go into the bridge in Tempe and people are taking
photographs.
I'm the only guy upside down.
I'm waving to them.
I'm doing snow angels in thewater.
I get out of the water my coachcan't believe like I finished
it a little under an hour and ahalf and she's like wow, you're
flying.
And I didn't even flip over tomy stomach until about three
quarters of the way wheneveryone got out of my way.
It was really tight.
There was tons of racers atthat time level and I just
couldn't get by anybody.
It was really narrow, sosometimes you got to go

(58:21):
backstroke.
You got a plan you're gonnafront stroke, you're gonna get
in an hour and 10.
No, sometimes you're gonna getkicked in the face.
Sometimes your goggles aregonna fall off.
Sometimes you're like I'm notdoing.
Not doing this race, I'm not anIron man, yeah.
But then you're like no, I'm inthis and I'm blazing a pathway
for humanity.
I get on my bike, I kill thebike 112 miles.
I was averaging like 20 milesan hour, which is pretty good,

(58:44):
because we had 25-mile-an-hourheadwinds heading out and I'm
sitting there and the whole time.
I'm like I'm blazing a newpathway for humanity.
I'm high-fiving everyone andimagining this like wake behind
me.
That's just like clearing theway for everyone else.
I finished that race and Icould have kept going and the
best part of the story isthere's like literally thousands

(59:06):
of friends and family cheeringeverybody when you're running
down the last mile and there'sthis red carpet.
I had no idea where my familywas at this moment and I had
friends in town and stuff.
People cheer me on.
I'm running down this side andsomething tells me to run to the
other side.
So I was high-fiving all thecrowd this way and I run over
perfectly time, all my family'sstanding along the side.
I go bam, bam, bam, bam bam,give like 10 high fives and then

(59:28):
I hear them announcing my nameand say I played in the NHL and
like the crowd's going crazy.
And then at the very end I seemy son, my, my.
He was 12 at the time and I seehis little face and he's up on
the the fence and he's kind ofseparated from the rest of my
family and he's just got thiscrazy smile on his face.
He's just like yeah dad yeah,dad and I got tears coming

(59:50):
across my eyes.
I get across the finish line andI give her a pumper nickel and
I'm like, oh, that wasabsolutely a blessing.
That whole time I had no pain,I was not uncomfortable.
I hired a coach to help adviseme on some nutritional stuff and
training and all that, but itwas one of the most beautiful

(01:00:11):
experiences of my life.
And for anybody who hasn't donesomething that you think is
kind of impossible, there's thiselation that you get where your
capacity just oh, I kept myword.
Multiplies I kept my word.
I stood on stage at my nextevent, the next year, and I just
played highlights and I go.
Do you guys remember when Itold you I'm going to do this?

(01:00:33):
I never ran a full marathonbefore in my life, even in
training.
I never swam 2.6 miles in mylife and I never biked 112 miles
in my life.
And I'm standing in front ofyou today to show you it's all
possible and I did it with babysteps.
I did it with consistency and abelief and a target.
That's it, it's like.

(01:00:55):
Don't have to overcomplicate ityeah.
Sometimes life's like anIronman or a marathon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, what I love about that story is the what is
usually the easy part of theequation, and when I think about
how do you create somethingright, I have just a very simple
framework that I think about inmy life what do I want and what
does success look like, or whatis the outcome.

(01:01:22):
But then why the fuck do I wantit?
And if I can get really clearon why, like you had a pretty
good why and you were like, okay, I think I'm going to do it,
because I said this and becauseI said this, and then you said,
okay, who do I need to be inorder to complete this?
And then you started trainingand you started making it happen
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
But my why went from pretty good to extraordinary and
it was so big.
My goal was so big that there'dbe no that dave scatchard could
do that.
So I wasn't getting the energyfor dave scatchard, I was
getting the energy for themillions of people that would
eventually hear these stories.
Yeah, yeah, when we, when wemake it bigger than us, we get

(01:02:04):
blessed with the energy to makeit happen.
Because it's not about it's notgiving anthony this much energy
, because it's for anthony.
It's giving you this muchenergy because it's for Anthony.
It's giving you this muchenergy because it's for everyone
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
It's much greater.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Right and it's a different way of thinking.
So it's beautiful to reallytruly believe, like there's this
faith piece that comes in.
You just know you don't reallyknow how it's gonna happen, but
you know that when you go for itlike you make things move yeah

(01:02:42):
and you and you will get there.
It might take you longer.
It might not be the way thatyou thought it was gonna happen,
like I believe that's why Ilove hanging out with you and
other successful people, likeall my NHL guys.
All these guys like when I sit.
That's why I love hanging outwith you and other successful
people, like all my NHL guys.
All these guys like when I sitwith them like Steve Nash has
become a good friend of minelately Like I sit with them and
I'm just like man, like tell meall, the tell me all that stuff
that nobody knows, and theystart telling me.

(01:03:04):
I'm like I never heard thatstory before yeah and people see
this beautiful finished productthat's so professional.
But they don't see stephcurry's 2.5 million shots.
They don't see dave's hundredsof thousands of shots over my
lifetime.
But they see my nice house,they see my nice things they oh,

(01:03:25):
he's so lucky yeah yeah, I am,I'm lucky and blessed.
but like, if you oh, that'sanother thing too if you truly
believe that the result will beworth it, my result will
overpower the the pain and thestruggle to get there.
If I can visualize it that way,I'll do it.

(01:03:47):
This is going to suck.
This is going to be hard.
This is probably going to bethe hardest thing that I ever do
in my entire life, but when Iget it, it's going to be so
worth it.
Yeah.
And that was the NHL, that wasthe Ironman, that was all these
things.
And then it lets you overrideit, this little doubt thing
you're like well, fuck, it'sgoing to be worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I'm in Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I don't care what it takes.
And right like you know, it'sjust a beautiful thing.
When you like, you go all in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I guess that's what it feels like to me, like you're
like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I'm in for the long haul.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I think there's .
There's a couple themes out ofall the stories that we've
shared today, and and it's youknow.
You know what you want, youknow why you want it, and then
you get to work on building thewho.
Right, but inevitably, on thejourney of building the who you
need to be to get there.
The why has waned, the why evenfractures at times.
Or the can I make it happen?
The call to my mom, the call todon Donnie, like I don't know
if I can figure this out, Idon't know if I can do it again.
And then, by surroundingyourself with people that have

(01:04:51):
your best interest in mind andrealigning, or getting connected
to the bigger vision, again,right, that re-empowers the why.
And now the why becomes so muchbigger than the who or what
it's going to take to get there.
And I think oftentimes all of usin life, on whatever journey
like you said something earlierand it made me think this like I

(01:05:13):
have this theory in life andoftentimes I just anticipate
it's going to happen.
So then what happens?
You know it's like okay, herewe are.
Anytime I say I want to dosomething big, I make a big
proclamation, I set a big goal,what I tell myself is like okay,
the universe is now saying okay, motherfucker, yeah, let's see
how committed you are.
Yeah.
Let's see how hard and long andconsistent you're going to be

(01:05:34):
willing to work to make thishappen.
Because inevitably, on thatjourney you're going to come up
against something that seemsinsurmountable at that time.
Correct and to your point, onthe other side of that is where
all the results are, that'swhere all the growth lives.
And we have that moment andI've had a few of them in my
life where I'm like how, how amI going to figure this out?
I'm not going to rebuild, whatam I going to do?
And it's like, well, well,motherfucker, like you said,

(01:05:57):
this is what you wanted and Areyou really fucking man enough?
And I'm like you know what?
I'll fucking die or figure itout, trying Like I don't fucking
care, I'm all in, let's make ithappen.
And it is that.
It's those moments where Ithink so often, when people get
to those friction points wherethey think it's insurmountable,

(01:06:18):
that's where they actually giveup.
But if they could just getreconnected with the why and dig
that next layer deeper, all ofthe results are just a few feet
away.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Can I share something with you Because?
This is so cool, so I teachthis and this came to me.
I was meditating one day andthis came to me, this image.
okay, and it wouldn't leave mymeditation.
So I run and grab my whiteboardand I start drawing out this
thing that I saw in mymeditation.

(01:06:49):
Okay, so what it was was thebottom, was this thing called
the pit, okay, then above thatwas this thing called the tunnel
of hell.
And then above that was thisthing called existing or sleep,
which I believe most of societysort of fits into.
And then above that was thisladder called the champion's
ladder.
I made up this whole thing andI have I can share with your

(01:07:09):
group if you want.
And then I had this thingcalled awake and existing and I
added all star, because that wasmy brand, and I said where are
we on this journey?
Right, my business might be onthe champion's ladder, going to
the top, but my relationshipmight not be, or my health or
whatever your thing is.
So you can kind ofself-identify all your stuff.

(01:07:33):
But the crazy thing is on thechampion's ladder.
What came to me was the first,resistance is resistance.
The next one is the matrix andthen the next one is the last
stand.
So those are the threecheckpoints that you have to go
up the champion's ladder untilyou break through into awakened
or all-star or whatever, right,champion.

(01:07:54):
So when I started doing thisand showing clients, like it was
almost like we could predict itand I'm like, okay, you're
trying to do this big thing andyou just got kicked in the nuts
and it's like, get back downthere.
You're not a bestselling author.
Where's my book?
You're not a bestselling author.
Right, get back down there.
Who are you to write a book?
Oh yeah, you're right.
Sorry, I don't know what I wasthinking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I spent five months like typing right I'm like it's
supposed to come out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I just know it and I'm like, ah, I'm going to do it
.
And then I get back on theladder.
I start climbing up and I, boom, get punched in the face.
Get back down there.
You're not a bestselling author, I know, I know, but I'm going
so screw you.
I get up there, Boom, kickright in the nose down and fall
off the ladder again.
You're a hockey player.
Get down there.
You're not a-dollar coach.

(01:08:43):
You're not a best-sellingauthor.
You're not an Iron man.
This happens every time.
I can call it by name yes, oh,that's resistance, that's a
matrix.
This is the last stand.
So most people give up after acouple of shots.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
They believe that shit and they go oh that's a
sign I'm not supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
It's not god, it's a dark and evil force that's
trying to stop you from beingsomebody that they got to deal
with the rest of their life.
Okay, so most people settleinto existence, maybe the upper
level, and they're like, oh, I'mgonna try something, I'm gonna
maybe do something, like they'rekind of there, but it's upper
neutral, it's like high neutral.
But a few people dig in andthey see this ladder and they go

(01:09:28):
.
Okay, I know I'm going to takea couple shots on the way up and
I don't know what that laststand thing is.
I haven't got there yet, butI'm not moving home.
I don't care how much bullyingI get, I'm not quitting the race
.
I don't care if my body, mywatch, says I have 20 units of
energy.
I don't care if I'm notsupposed to write a book.

(01:09:49):
I'm doing it and I don't carehow long it takes, and I'm going
to climb this ladder.
I'm going to take as many shotsas I've got to take to get
through this thing, because Iknow that the results in
Champion Awaken, last Stand arejoy, bliss, ecstasy, creativity,
unbound, energy, uncertainty.
It's all these things that wedon't really know because we

(01:10:09):
don't really live there.
But when you get a taste of it,you want it all the time.
It's like winning achampionship in sports.
You just have to get back inthere and you know you start
dipping out.
You're like, fuck, what's goingon Right?
That's when you and I have theconversation, bro.
What's going on right?
That's when you and I have theconversation, bro, what's going
on right?
And then we go, all right,let's go, buckle up, let's go, I
don't care how many shots Itake.
And you get to this point andyou take the shot of the

(01:10:32):
resistance, you take the shot ofthe matrix and you're like,
okay, what's up here?
What's up here?
And the last stand?
Right, stick with me for onesecond.
It was a short small book, thewar of art.
Okay, yeah, do you know whatI'm talking about?

(01:10:52):
And, anyways, I was calledturning pro.
I forget.
I forget the, the name of the,the author, but it's a great
little book.
But he talks about this, thelast stand.
I don't know if he calls itsomething different, but it
wants to end you.
It wants to maim you, hurt you,disable you, stop you from

(01:11:13):
being a force, because if youget through, you're going to be
light fighting against thedarkness.
So it will test you to yourabsolute brink and I bet you 99%
of the people, can't take it.
It's that point we talked aboutearlier where it's so hard.
Like man, I don't know.

(01:11:33):
I just don't know how I'm gonnamake it like I don't.
I've spent all my money, I'vedone all the things, I've asked
the girl, I've done the thingand like none of its work how
fuck I don't know, but I'm goingfor it.
I don't care if I get my headchopped off here, I'm going for
it and it's something.
Magical happens where thosedark force, those things try to

(01:11:57):
stop you, look at you and gokids on a mission.
We can sit here and fight themfor the next 10 years, but he's
eventually going to get there.
We can sit here and fight himfor the next 10 years, but he's
eventually going to get there.
I don't mean I'll go stop theother 2,000 people who aren't
Dolan, yeah.
And you get in and you're likeit's a different world and
everything is gold, everything'schain, everything's energy,

(01:12:23):
everything's like believable.
It's faith, it's thisunwavering faith.
You just know and you don'tknow how.
You know that's when you getdownloads, that's when you get
these things that just like popin your head and it's like truth
and like you don't know how.
you know.
I truly believe everyone hasaccess to that.
I actually believe we were borninto that and then the first

(01:12:48):
time these things start tohappen kind of like jars us and
we start going down this ladderand then you fall into existence
with everybody else eventuallyyeah and but some we all still
feel this calling to like getback up to that spot and I think
our programming, our society,social media, the news, I think
it's just making us where we'remanageable because we're neutral
, we're not a threat.

(01:13:08):
Check this out.
If you don't have crazy shithappening to you, it's probably
because you're not a threat.
You're not a threat to makingany change in the world.
Yeah, it's powerful.
So you take it almost as acompliment when these big blasts
come at you, because you'relike, whoa, I must be on to
something, because like thatshouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
But like I think the upside of this thing is way
bigger than that shot that Ijust took, so like, let's just
go for it yeah, one of thethings I've come to believe is
uh, all of the like, the fears,the doubts, the resistance, the
challenges, those are justcallings from our Creator to
grow.
It's like I heard that the worddesire means of the Father, and

(01:13:51):
so if you have a desire, itrepresents what's possible for
you.
The ideas, the visions, thethings that inspire you are
meant for you, and on that pathyou're going to have these
resistance points, thesechallenges, these struggles, and
I think whether we win or notcomes down to how we anticipate

(01:14:14):
and manage those resistancepoints.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I think that's really true.
Let me ask you a question,because I feel like my calling
is so strong.
I can't turn it off.
I can't go and chill, I'll go,I'll golf for a few days, or
whatever but then like I feellike I got to go back there and
I'm always hungry, I'm starving,I'm thirsty, and I asked one of

(01:14:43):
my mentors about this and hegoes it's because you're chosen.
Till the day you die, you'll bethirsty and you'll be hungry,
because it needs you to be,because you can.
You can make an impact.
And my question to you becauseI actually haven't really
thought about this till just now, but like do you?
Think everyone's called, or doyou think a select few are

(01:15:06):
called?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
It's an interesting question.
I would say everybody has thecapacity or the potential to be.
I would like to believe.
I would like to live in a worldand believe that everybody has
the potential to answer the call.
I think most people drowned outthe call by just the ways of

(01:15:35):
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I tend to agree.
What was coming to me was I wasthinking what if all our
callings are different?
It's like we're soldiers, someare commanders, some are all the
other parts of the military100%.
But what if we're all lightwarriors and we're all called to
different parts?
I think we are all called, butI think we all have different

(01:15:58):
missions.
Yes.
Some callings are stronger thanothers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Some people are lead singers and some people are in
the background singing you knowwhat I mean and and some people
are fans, because without thefans there's no, absolutely
there's always, there's alwaysthe, the pieces, and I believe
we are all called.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
But I 1000 agree with you that I think that through
the masks, through the armor, uhyou don't hear it.
Like you don't really hear thecalling and because it's so
noisy, I don't think you hearthe calling, especially when
it's loud.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I almost think about when you're saying this.
I had this visual of likeclimbing a mountain right, and
it's like you can reach the topand once you reach it, you have
this amazing view.
And once you have that newperspective, life isn't the same
again.
But most people will actuallynever climb the mountain to
actually see what the view is.
Um, I'll tell you a short storythat changed things for me.

(01:16:55):
Actually, this was a momentwhere I feel like, uh, there was
a big shift for me.
Um, black Friday 2022.
So here at live bearded, um, youknow we do a lot of product
promotions and we have big salesdays.
So you know we'll do a hundred,150, $175,000 in a day up until
this point.
And so, you know, being acompetitive guy, I'm like I

(01:17:17):
wonder what we could do forBlack Friday.
And then I'm starting to thinkin my head okay, maybe you know,
could we get 200?
Like we've never had $200,000in a day, like that's more money
than I used to be able to dreamabout making in a year.
Could I actually do that?
I was like, well, could we get225?
Could we get 250?
I was like, fuck and I don'tlike to.
One of the things I learned as aleader is I don't want to

(01:17:38):
project onto my team.
We had one time we had a reallygreat sales sales day, but it
was actually less than what Ithought we would do and I shared
it with them, and so peoplewere disappointed, even though
it was an amazing sales day.
So, as a leader, I was like,okay, I have to be mindful of
like what expectations I setverbally, because that's going
to determine kind of thefrequency or the energy of how

(01:17:58):
people judge it.
So I didn't share myexpectation, but I was like in
my head.
I was like in my head I waslike, ok, if we can do 200,
that's great.
If we could get 250, that wouldbe like unbelievable.
Like I don't think that wouldeven be possible.
But let's see what happens.
We do the hard work, we put inthe energy we launch and at the
end of Black Friday we did threehundred and twelve thousand

(01:18:19):
dollars Amazing.
And I was like I was fuckingover the moon.
I was like, oh my God, like 312in a day.
That's so unbelievable.
How the fuck did this happen?
I wake up the next morning, I'mon my way to the gym and I'm
fucking just vibrating withenergy.
I'm like this.
I can't believe this is soamazing.
I can't wait to high fiveeverybody.
And then my brain goes what ifyou turned your best day into

(01:18:45):
your everyday?
I was like, fuck, okay, so Ipull out my calculator.
I'm driving to the gym at 5 inthe morning, I pull out my
calculator 312 times 365.
18 million or something, 100.
100?
And $8 million.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Oh my God, I was way up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
And I was like I've always had a goal of building a
hundred million dollar brand.
I've never really said it outloud and the reason why I have
that goal is I believe that I'mcapable of adding a billion
dollars of value to amarketplace.
And if I can add billions ofdollars of value to people, then
of course I should get paid 10%of that in exchange, and that
10% can take care of everybodyin my sphere, my ecosystem, my

(01:19:25):
company, et cetera.
And I was like a hunt, holyfuck.
I never believed that it waspossible for me to do a, to
build a hundred million dollarcompany.
And then I was looking at thecalculator and I was like I just
did one day of what I thoughtwas impossible.
How fucking small have I beenplaying, how fucking small have

(01:19:49):
I been playing.
And it just shattered mypossibility.
Now, granted, it was one day,but I know what the orders feel
like.
I know what the workflow feelslike the ticket load, the
fulfillment, the advertising,like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I have now a micro experience of the dream I don't
mean to interrupt, but likeevery time that happens for a
client, I pause and I go.
Let's build the recipe.
What did that feel like?
Yeah, what were you?
Thinking what did you do?
Let's do it again.
Right, I just had a client havea huge win and I paused her and
I said what happened?

(01:20:17):
She had all these like thingsshe didn't realize happened and
we built the recipe and Iliterally had this page full of
notes and this is her just liketranscribing like what her
experience was.
I go look, that's what you doevery time.
If you do this every time,you're setting yourself up with
the vibration it's the samething that we talked about,
right, like that vibration ofnot seeing what's on this level

(01:20:40):
because the vibration is too low.
I do this thing during my on onstage where I crouch down below
the table.
I do this thing on stage whereI crouch down below the table
and I go, this is my vibration,this is my reality, this is all
that I can see.
But if my vibration raises, oh,on this table there's a cup,
there's water, there's a phoneall these things I didn't even

(01:21:01):
know were up here.
It's the mountain.
Yeah 100% and when you see thatfor the first time, you're like
wow, and then it gives you adifferent perspective and a
different angle.
So I love that story and samething.
Like you're a smart guy, youalready have built your recipe.
But like I would use that as mytemplate where if I'm getting
ready for a push or whatever,I'm going to meditate on it, I'm

(01:21:29):
going to think about how thatvibration felt and like what
everyone in the room was doingand how I showed up and what we
did as a group, and I would justdo this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
This is an amazing point because I'm actually I've
made this mistake for thisexperience and I want to share
it because everybody should doit.
We all have wins in our lifewins, moments of ecstasy,
moments of joy et cetera.
And oftentimes we live them inthat moment and then we remind
ourselves of them, like I justdid now, but ultimately we don't
fully tap into the energeticexperience that that moment has

(01:21:54):
for us.
I think about it, it brings asmile to my face, I tell the
story, but I don't necessarilycall that morning that frequency
, that energy, energy.
I had the possibility that Ifelt in that moment there was
nothing.
I was like I'm fucking doingthis, there's nothing that can
stop me.
I already did one day I can do365 bro, bro, you gotta give me.

(01:22:15):
After this, I want to do anexercise with you yeah, and then
and then life happens, yeah,and we get caught up, yeah, and
I forget about that energy and Ikeep moving forward and then I
start to like push and pull andstruggle and waver and wane.
It's like no motherfucker, justlook at what you already did,
go back to that experience andpull it forward and just
continue to do that until it isevery fucking day.

(01:22:38):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
So no, this is so cool because it's like here's
what I, here's what I believe tobe true.
When I'm working in groups,when I'm doing things from stage
, when I have masterminds, theenergy is flying through all of
us in this room.
It's flying through the cameraright now because it's hitting
people in the heart, becauseit's like giving them the
blueprint right, god wants us tobe abundant, he wants us to

(01:23:01):
succeed, but when we go dark orwe cut ourselves off from all
that data, all that information,well, we're giving you data for
a winning blueprint.
So this is an amazing tool thateverybody should use.
That's listening to this rightnow, but I take my clients to a
thing called their championmoment and I get them to relive

(01:23:23):
it re-experience it and we'redocumenting the entire thing,
and they might have their eyesclosed, they might be in it,
they might be making themovements, they might be
literally not realizing what I'mdoing as a coach, but I'm
sitting there and I'm makingtons of notes, I'm filming them,
I'm doing everything and theyget to have this, uh, incredible
experience again, an emotionalflood where it fills their body

(01:23:45):
with that energy and they canliterally go back in time and
connect to that.
Now we create an avatar basedoff of that.
That is $100 million, anthony.
And then you go and every dayyou're checking in with that
avatar and you're like hmm, I'mactually not that right now.

(01:24:05):
I'm actually I haven't evenrealized that, oh wow my posture
, oh the way I'm, my physicality, my tonality, my pace, my
energy, my sleep, my focus, mydirection, my communication, and
we're grabbing all of thosenuggets from the $300,000 a day.
And then you're lining it upand you're able to look in the

(01:24:29):
mirror and go, yeah, I'm rightthere or no?
So who's talking to me rightnow?
Is this $50 million Anthony, oris this $100 million, anthony?
And you go no it's not and myclients start to self-identify
and they make a silly name fortheir less than avatar their
bitch voice, yeah, and it's likeno, this is, you know, dummy,
dave, or whatever you know, andthey can flip it and I go.

(01:24:50):
Well, what would hundredmillion dollar ask me to do
right now?
He's like you get to work, youdo this, you do this and you can
call it out, because you'relike your.
Your awareness is there.
Yeah and that's the beautifulthing.
It's like a check-in point withyourself.
It's like I put it by my mirror, I put it by my office desk, I
put it in my car and I'm likefuck, I can't avoid it, like hey
, are you showing up right nowor not?

(01:25:11):
Today, for example, I woke upthe last three days.
I'm taking care of my threekids, my wife's on a girls' trip
, and I'm working, and and I'mabout to launch something really
big.
So I've got to make sureeverybody's off to school.
I've got to make sure all mybusiness.
So I'm waking up at 3.
I'm working until 6.30.
And I'm doing like kid stuffand feeding everybody in the

(01:25:31):
middle of it.
I've done this for three daysstraight.
Okay, I know my energy is alittle bit low.
I jumped on my bike.
I did a bike ride.
I come here, I'm showing up,I'm bringing it, but then after
this I'm going right to massage.
I need to reload.
I need to because I know I'vebeen burning it and the RPMs

(01:25:53):
have been high.
And one deficit that I do, andI don't know if you do, but I
push so hard.
I help so many people.
I give to everybody.
My energy is radiating all thetime.
But my help so many people.
I give to everybody.
I'm, my energy is radiating allthe time, but my one weakness I
believe my kryptonite is that Idon't charge enough and I don't
take the time to load myself up, because when I'm loaded I have

(01:26:15):
more to give, but when I'mdepleted, if this glass is empty
and I'm trying to give toeverybody and to myself, there's
nothing left yeah so my batteryon my phone's at the end and
I'm trying to do big things withit and work all day with it.
It's useless yeah so managingthat energy, like we keep coming
back to it.
Here's another point.
If something in your life isn'tworking, um, it's energy

(01:26:39):
related.
Meaning, if, if, if your healthis crap, my guess guess is that
you haven't been spending a lotof your units of energy per day
focused on your health category.
If your relationship sucks, myguess is that your energy's been
going towards business ortowards health or whatever, but
it hasn't really been focusingon the relationship.

(01:27:00):
So whenever something's out ofwhack, I would readjust the
amount and the quality and thetype of energy that I'm focusing
towards that category.
Yeah, for a certain time, untilI get the plate spinning, yeah
again.
And then I can readjust and and.
But I feel like it's abalancing act the whole time
where you're trying to like,manage all these plates, and
it's tough, but when you'reaware of it, you can go oh man

(01:27:25):
and this is another goodmetaphor for people listening
it's like you've been drivingaround with a check engine light
on your car and it might be akid that's been acting out, it
might be your wife who's beencomplaining or giving you a hard
time, it might be the businesswho's struggling with making
money, but the thing is, is theengine light's lights on and

(01:27:48):
it's saying pay attention, takeme in for a tune-up.
It might be a date night withyour kid, that just connects you
guys again.
And then the engine light goesoff and everything's good again.
The kid's good for a littlewhile.
The business.
But some of us drive aroundwith the engine light on all the
time.
We're ignoring it, ignoring it,ignoring it, and the car breaks
down.
Right Divorce the relationshipwith the kid, the business drops

(01:28:11):
, the health goes, you get aheart attack or something and
you're like, oh, I can't believethis happened.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Well, bro the engine light's been on for eight months
.
There's been a lot of signalsalong the path Right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
But it's just slowing down to speed up, to manage
this field.
We're essentially in an energyfield.
And you get to.
If I gave you 100 units ofenergy today, how would you
spend it?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Simple.
That's a great question.
I think one thing I was goingto say is the type of energy.
Someone might be saying, well,I'm putting a lot of energy into
it, but it's the wrong type ofenergy.
Someone might be saying, well,I'm putting a lot of energy into
it, but it's the wrong type ofenergy.
So, dude, this has been such abeautiful conversation.
Thank you so much for comingand sharing some stories in the
journey.
If there was one final thoughtor one piece of advice or

(01:28:58):
encouragement that you wouldleave us with today, what would
that be?

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
I believe that when somebody dedicates and focuses
their entire being, every action, every thought, all the energy
towards a certain thing, theycan create dramatic results in
the big scheme of thingsrelatively quickly because it

(01:29:24):
takes on that importance.
For example, if your wife andkids were in a burning building,
for a year and you had to do$100 million.
You'd do $100 million, You'dfigure out a way.
Yeah.
Right, and oftentimes we'll dosomething more for other people
than we will for our own self.
And sometimes we're ourselvesin a burning building, but we

(01:29:47):
keep ignoring it because we'retrying to help everybody else
when, like I just gave you forthat example, I'm taking time
for myself today to recharge thebattery because I got big
things to do, and it might onlybe a couple-hour massage, but
guess what?
That can carry me a long way.
As long as I'm aware and I'mfueling anything is truly

(01:30:08):
possible.
I'm a living example of that andI've lived what feels like
multiple lives and I'm just.
I think it's a magical world welive in and that you know we're
pretty lucky to be here.
Yeah.
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Well, I'm blessed to call you a friend, and I think
you're an epitome of what itmeans to take life into our own
hands and design an experiencethat is worthy of us and is
honoring God and the gifts thathe's given us.
I'm excited to continue to takethis journey together.
Where can people follow you at?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
I'd say jump on Instagram at DaveSketchard or
allstarcoachingcom.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Definitely check out the book the Comeback.
It's an amazing story of Dave'spersonal journey through heaven
and hell.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Yeah, the comeback.
It's on Amazon and also on mywebsite, so I'll be happy to get
you guys that, and if anybodyheard this interview or there's
anything related, I'd love tohear back.
It's always interesting whenyou're in a small room and
you're chatting, but then youget the feedback later.
And it's like, wow, peoplereally get it.
And that's the goal is to makethe data and information

(01:31:27):
coherent for everybody.
So, thank you for having me on.
I appreciate you.
I love what you're doing here.
I just experienced your wholefacility.
It's incredible, your team'samazing, and I'm excited for
your future.
Man, I'm excited to see whereyou go with everything.
Thanks bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, if you guys are still with us, thank you for
taking this journey with us.
I fully believe that thegreatest gift we have is the
gift of each other, and you'vegiven us your time and attention
today, and for that both of usare grateful.
Hope you have an amazing dayand we'll talk to you guys soon.

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