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(00:01):
Where we were taught that man isa woman' s man is a woman
and very everyone is looking for aHOKP. Why don' t you pay
five bucks for this and we'll promote you. People aren' t
in grinder to be friends together andif they don' t like it,
they leave me a comment, butI agree. But well, that'
s always the subject point hello worldgas. I am César Salsa and,

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of course, between gas is fromthe gay mecca of the world, San
Francisco, California. Although they alreadyknow we' re all over the world.
Joaquin, I think it' sthe gay make. Not sure,
San Francisco started the whole movement ofa ok Yes, Horvy Malky, well,
New York and San Francisco, yes, that' s good To the
new yor we also want them.It' s all right and, of

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course, we already know that manyof you are in Spain. We hear
many people from Madrid, Barcelona,Seville, the Islands that also win in
Mexico, because Monterrey, Mexico City, Puerto va Yart have followers of Puerto
Vallarta. I love it because wego a lot for Tovallarta and also,
of course, Venezuela, Colombia andother Latin American countries. So it'
s super excited to be able tocome back with a new season. Thanks

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to you who listened to the podcastin the previous season, who supported us
on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify,on Apple Podcast. Well, thanks to
you, we have a new season. We bring all the feedback they left
us and the comments they left remindus that in Spotify, you can leave
comments there directly on the podcast andadditionally you can answer the questions we left
in Spotify, on Instagram. Youcan also leave us comments between baho gas

(01:38):
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podcast, on any platform and say. But I want to see these guys,
because you go to YouTube between gaysand there you can watch the episode.
So you know, you can't miss it that in fact,
on YouTube we' re already beingfollowed by more people. There are a
thousand people who are following us forit and that YouTube we didn' t
take much notice of the first season. We were more with the podcast.

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You know, there' s twoof us. Nothing more. If some
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It' s hello arroba between gasNet, because now we have new email.
There you can also send us anytopic you want to talk about.
And today, Joaquin, we havegood. Like I said before, we
got all that feedback. True,you were there for us, and what
we did was say good. Wedon' t want to be you and
me anymore. We will always tryto have people who bring us different views
to the podcast. We don't have new sets, new new banner

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between gasn Neon who here commissioned us. Thank you, Joaquin. Oh,
you' re welcome. And thetruth is, you can see all this
if you' re on video.And the truth is, we have a
number of issues that we' regoing to be talking about today. So,
today we have a friend who's going to suck us, which
is going to bring us a veryinteresting topic, and it' s that
the other day I was wooded fromNew York Times and they said that younger

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generations, like the gens c nolonger want to be in the applications of
ligoteo nothing, of Grinder, ofTinder, of boombles s Croft, like
they don' t like it toomuch, They seem very i personal and
then they are happening to something totallydifferent and that is not online. It
' s more like in person.You know what kind of painting is.

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I don' t know how totell me that would be good, too
good, but not sports clubs.Oh, no summer stains. I go
to the gym, but sports club. No, yeah, no, but
yeah, we know good people thatDouge Bud Kick Poul' s sports clubs
are there. All that. Toour friends of Klee we send greetings that

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surely are there listening to us friendsof any Latin without roof San Francisco.
They have several clubs. Also manyof them are in different clubs and I
hear a friend to Gerry and he' s going to come tell us a
little bit about those clubs what interactionis like and if they can really replace
ligoteo platforms like Grinder and The HookUpsrihke, then we' re going to
be talking to him later. Butour first guest today is a person who

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was in the previous season. Itmade us have the most viral Instagram riall
on our account. There were manycomments of all kinds and it is the
little star of my love. Joaquin' s mom' s coming to the
podcast because she' s coming forthe rematch. Oh, yes, it

(04:35):
comes to respond to the comments,to those negative and also positive comments,
that there are many of them.Yeah, we' re just gonna be
talking. We' re gonna dolike a part two of that interview where
Joaquin' s mom was talking aboutwhat it was like when she found out
that Joaquin was gay. Right.For many moms, the truth is it
' s a pretty difficult point inlife. Now I think there' s

(04:58):
more information. It' s alittle simpler, but for moms it'
s usually and for parents in general, the family has been a pretty difficult
point. Today we' re goingto have a second part of that.
Let' s answer all the questionsof the fans and the haters of Lucero,
because Lucero has fans and haters onInstagram, so I think you have
to listen or watch because we havevideo. You can see the interview.
We' re also going to havethe cuts on Instagram. I' m

(05:19):
very, very excited to get tothat part, to that first interview,
our interview with the Lucero is goingto be with us. But the truth
is that we also have new sections, truth, yes, of course,
new sections, and one of thosesections before we have the indiscreet question.
Now we' re going to havequestions to break the ice to break and

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it' s that gray that everything, especially also informative questions, because it
' s also held in many placesin the world right now and you know
what pris like all year, dependson where you live. But we also
want to have information and these questionscan be quite interesting. Some of them
are going to be entertainment. Youcan also send us questions that you want
to know if we know in theanswer. The production prepared these questions for

(06:04):
us. I have the answers here, in case I don' t know
them, I can read them toall of you. Joaquin, let'
s see you wait, I'll settle here pick one, not the
first one. To see ah okand read here four winners of Rupo Drag

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Race. It' s easy tobe from Mexico too that no more here
in the season. Yeah, well, OK, Christian Peralta, ah,
good America, Sasha Coby, whowon the pass and the one who just
won, Ninfie wind sasherbelowar and aymy favorite who good, what of the
river. Oh, well, canI just see her and she' s

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a bitch. Well, okay,well, yeah, I knew. Not
me. I never did the winners, especially because I never go to the
winners always wins the one that Iwasn' t going to qu en leno
in the season sexting of dura groupsthere I forgot the names. Who names
them. Or there' s Ninfia, Wends, there' s Plaint James,
there' s Safier Plaineo going forplay ah me too. But as

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in the end the load was alittle bit. In the end, I
don' t think it was thatgood, but I think I already knew
I wasn' t going to winand kept doing his marketing. The group
asked him, asked him questions sothat she would open up like when they
were on the podcast. We weren' t really going to talk about this,
but, well, since we're when she was, when she
was on the podcast, and Michelletold her we need you to open up.

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It' s your time to sellyou. It' s a time
to tell us who you really areto be vulnerable. And she didn'
t want to. But she didn' t want to. It wasn'
t that he didn' t knowhe didn' t want to and when
he was already in the stage,they' re asking him a question from
my universes about these other questions,as if he left in my universe.
And she responded again with character withthe character. He did not respond as
Ninfia, for example, opened hisfeelings. She didn' t want to,

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and her mom didn' t wantto either. I think it'
s cultural. Remember, she's from Russia, from Russia. Now
it' s either Ukraine or Russia' s, not Russia' s.
Well, if we' re wrong, they leave us the comment, but
it was from there, from acountry of this, from Europe, and
I think it costs you a littlebit more. Being vulnerable has not come
that time. But it' sfabool, and I was a friend,

(08:16):
super good at triacking. But she' s also cultural and she doesn'
t like it because she' sShisebech. She' s a character bitch,
she' s a character, butshe' s not. She doesn
' t want to be when you' re vulnerable, you open that door
to get attacked. And she thinksshe doesn' t like the attack,

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but they' re still going toattack her, exactly the same. Ok
now I grab one to see chooseone to see, I read it you
read it I read it to singin which Latin American countries there is no
marriage, the g B t youblus or marriage between people of the same

(08:58):
sex. There' s the answers. I think, the production prepared them
well. I' m going totell you basic countries, to see Nicaragua,
I don' t think, yes, there it is, but I
' m telling you. I tellyou five goes ah ok ok and you
then tell me Nicaraguas, Panama,Honduras, Venezuela, Paraguay. I think,

(09:22):
okay, all these are here.Wey or that I went to countries
I didn' t. I rememberthey don' t have any. But
tell me there' s more.Yeah, there is, okay. The
first one you said was good.The first is Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras,
constitution or come yes that it is. He was removed from the Constitution.
It is prohibited by Constitution an Dale, Guatemala, El Salvador Tejiri,

(09:43):
Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru and Venezuela. You said five that you already won
what I give you oh hai youhaiti. Production has to write better i
t i t you. People can' t fit in there either, it
' s true. But I love, for example, that you can get
married in Mexico, in Brazil,in Argentina, and that just happened,
not in Mexico. Yes, it' s very recent. I know,

(10:05):
Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, well, in the United States we already know,
and well all the countries I didn' t mention. Right there you
can get married. There. Youpaid me. That wasn' t very
well planned. I' m sorry. I' m sorry, okay,
well, we already broke the icefor this first episode. If you have
questions that you want us to answerthat way, you send them to me
and or you pay them Aquín andhe won' t know. And all

(10:26):
right, come ask ok me,I think it' s time now,
Joaquin, to invite your mom Dale, so, okay now we have the
first guest of the season and I' m fascinated because, besides that I
love her, she was one ofthe people that made our podcast go viral,
become vibrating during the previous season andis a star. Thank you,

(10:50):
Lucero for coming again, thank youfor inviting us. I congratulate them because
it has been a success. Itwas something that was needed and here it
is with you, because yes,I love that you come back, especially
because, as some might not know, Luz Héro is Joaquin' s mom
and during the previous season we hada podcast in which we talked about just

(11:11):
what it was like for parents tosee that their children were gay, etcetera.
And we actually had a clip thatwent viral on Instagram among gays.
There you can find us in lowbar gays. And the truth is that
when the podcast went viral, Idid have a bit of a tense situation,
because there were a lot of positivecomments, but also a lot of
negative comments from people who hadn't heard the full podcast, right and

(11:33):
they stayed like a snip or maybethey saw in the first sentence or the
headline, but they didn' tsee the whole video, which was very
nice. The truth is that therewas a real that we went up that
has a hundred and two ten thousandviews and that' s where all the
positive and negative comments are and mymom called me she said oh, they

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' re attacking me what b ygo, Mom, you don' t have
to do anything. For starters,you' re reading the comments and you
don' t read them. Thereare people who are going to love you
very much and there are people whogive you hate for the simple fact that
my gay son went to me.Well, yes, yes, and the
truth is that they see some negativecomments, some positive comments and Lucero is
here to answer them all. QuieJoaquín, I know you had some comments

(12:20):
maybe that caught attention during the actualInstagram and comments that we also received on
social networks and in Spotify, wheremany of you have also left us the
comments. So, thank you forthat you have some there that you want
to read to us now to startand then be able to ask him some
other questions that remained pending. Orthat people sent us on the previous podcast,
because they already know that we here, you send us questions, you

(12:41):
give us your feedback and we bringit back podcast. So we have a
lot of things to tell you inthis new season. And of course,
okay, the first comment I saidAeron Matches is personal. You said you
' re the one who did it. So this is not the culprit and
I was born like that, so, but not even that I was a

(13:01):
scientist, right look. I thinkno dad wants to see his son suffer
then and it' s not thatJoaquin Ahorita is suffering. What I can
tell you is that I made awonderful son, a very talented son,
a son who is not afraid oflife, a fear so much so that

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he was not afraid to face whathe is because many, many parents,
we put fears in the children andstay where they are. So, Joaquin,
though, as I said last time, it was hard at first,
but he also knew he has aresilient mom, and that' s what

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he saw. The resilience that hegets through, that he can, that
nothing happens, that we see howwe solve in family what we are going
through. I remember when I wentto college, too, you told me
not to go out of closet atthe university, no stains, and the

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creese just came out to the closet. Of course not, but you had
that feeling that Miguel attacks that you' re going to be there, that
he' s not going to bethere to fall something happens. But that
' s part of being, ofletting the kids go and making them themselves.
That' s being part of aLatin mom, that is, Latin
moms, as I said in thelast podcast, or most of us are

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non- generalised, we' rechicken moms that we like to care for
and protect our children. And ashe went to college, he was getting
out of my wing, out ofmy protection. But this, then,
I have learned from him that heis very brave, that he is very

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strong and that he can face andface all the situations that come. It
didn' t get out of myhands anymore, as I said last time.
Oh, well, I have totell a mom that I' m
already squeamish and I like girls,oh my God, let' s go
back. He' s no biggerthan that That was a joke. Okay.

(15:22):
I' m going to resume theconversation so this is again a serious
podcast. I know that who isanother comment we are going to leave for
later, because now I want todo as a raffle, a raffle,
a rush, quick comments and questionsfor Lucero, because Lucero had many comments
that left us on social networks andI want to see how you respond to
this, after people made us reflecton your words. Right, you were

(15:46):
hoping to see your married son andgrandchildren, but you got gay. You
still expect to have a grandson.You still expect him to see married,
even with a man. I hopeto see you married. I want you
to be happy and that' sit. Yes, and it' s
something I' ve learned. Neithermy daughters who are sty nor my son.

(16:07):
I want to see him married,I want to see him happy And
if god or life or the universewhatever you want to call him, he
has a couple and I see himin married couple and happy ok and if
not, it' s also okayor the same I hope, Right now,

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I have a wonderful granddaughter of myother son who is also gay i
e life. She taught me thatyou don' t need to have a
specific sexual orientation to be a grandmother. I' m a perfect grandmother,
Joaquin, but still. I askyour mom questions, but I have questions
for you too. Joaquin, youwant to get married, yes, yes,

(16:56):
I want to get married. Joaquin, you want to have kids the
net I don' t know,right now, I' m kind of
not. I am already thirty-two years old, I am going to
turn thirty- three and I saidfor thirty- five if I have no
children or do not have the cape, capable, economic, economic capacity,
I do not want to have childrenat all. But this all depends because

(17:22):
if already after thirty- five,I say I will not give you the
quality because I would like to giveyou a son, rehearsed to play football,
I do not know activities that childrendo. Right, I say that
already after thirty- five years,it kind of makes it harder for you
to do all that with your kids. If you can do more, that
' s the son I made,a responsible son. Okay. I think

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this is going to be quite controversial. Leave us your comments about you think
there' s a perfect age tobe a dad. For the first time.
I know Joaqulla will give us hisanswer, but you can also give
us his answer, and that couldgive us the door open for another topic
that we can talk about in thepodcast, about what is ideal for being
a dad when you are k becausemany gas tend to be dads are more
when they are older, because atthe beginning of their life they are trying

(18:08):
to understand who they were. Wehave no friends, in fact one of
them is forty- five years old, the other is thirty- nine years
old and they have a two-year- old baby and they travel with
her around the world. I thinkshe' s gone to more countries than
I' ve traveled. I mean, the passport has, like, twenty
- five stamps, and so,well, they' re making their bierts.
They all seem very happy. Sosomething that everything, you have to
put it on a scale. ButI have more because I star in some

(18:33):
way. You were counting on theprevious podcast and people were telling us about
this that when Joaquin found out,when you found out that Joaquin was gay,
you reacted in a way because hewas based. You' re based
on a canon and expectations that parentsused to have before and that your generation
' s parents still have. Butthe parents of my generation probably don'
t have that much anymore, becausethe world has changed so much. You

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don' t think you had reactedin a different way if you had had
more ins training related to the world, the Gibt k Plush at that time,
because I understand that before there wasless information. Sure, definitely,
my reaction would have been different.It is ignorance, as I said last
time, that makes you react tosituations within ignorance. Now that I know

(19:22):
and know and I see how Isaid it last time, it' s
just that no one would have toleave the closet. I didn' t
go out or do a press conference, I didn' t tell my parents
or anyone, I told them thatI had started a straight sex life.
So, exactly now, I thinkthose who have to change a little bit

(19:47):
or change are the new generations.No one has to leave the closet anymore,
because sexuality is in the room.Of course they' re out and
what it is to the new generationsor the old generations and these. I
think it' s gonna be alittle harder to change the chip. Education

(20:08):
can be given, but still.I think he' s still having a
hard time. I' m sayingit for my parents. Of course,
we' re going to bring anexample for you to johere, because I
see that Joaquin kind of didn't understand. I think we' re
going to set an example. Forexample, you' re referring to you
have younger daughters, for example,and there' s a new generation that
you consider that they don' thave to be like Joaquin, that Mom

(20:30):
told you I' m gay.Just if at this point someone has a
son or daughter and suddenly comes home, she says she' s my girlfriend,
because nothing happens, because it wouldn' t have to be seen.
That' s your point. Iwouldn' t have come out of pine.
Te. I' m going toset a much clearer example to my
dad, my dads and me.It cost us a lot of work when
they came out of the closet.Instead, there was Montse who wasn'

(20:53):
t born yet. For Montse allthis has been much easier, that is,
your friendship with Joaquin. To you, you are gay your partner is
gay On and you have seen thatfor Montset there is no surprise, or
for Isabella, who is smaller why, because they are with the chip and

(21:15):
do not have that evil or thatold way of thinking that we had,
where they taught us that the manis man, the woman is woman and
there is no middle point. Thisone and my girls have grown up with
freedom of thought or reasoning. Whateveryou want to call him, I love

(21:38):
it. I love this reflection becausethey are just some of those questions that
were left pending in the previous podcastand that people made us get through Spotify
and social networks. Remember that ifyou are in Spotify, you can Javier
the podcast and leave a comment andwe will read it here too and that
is very interesting. Joaquin can stillhave children and there are people who talked
about things a little strange in thecomments they give us. Some of them

(22:00):
said good it doesn' t matterif you don' t have grandchildren with
them, because men shouldn' thave children and they' re a couple.
There are even places where we cannotyet adopt, in the United States
and in California in particular. Ifyou can what do you think of people
' s prejudices when two men canadopt or even have a child through science.

(22:23):
I just got asked that question nowthat I went to Mexico, that
how I now see my granddaughter withtwo parents who is stealing the role of
woman, which is the role ofexactly God. There are no roles here,
no roles. Here is love andpure love. This granddaughter doesn'

(22:44):
t have the evil we adults have. She' s seeing her dery and
she' s seeing her dad andshe' s seeing that she' s
being surrounded by love. She's a super- loving girl for both
of us then. I think theworld is transforming and it is transforming into
something wonderful that is very easy tocriticize behind a keyboard, but to live

(23:11):
it. That' s a wonderfulthing. I see that the world is
transformed into love and very beautiful point, very nice this and now I want
to continue with more questions and youknow. You, some moms or you
' ve met friends who might havebeen through something similar, who have gay
kids and you' ve had achance to advise them because I was talking

(23:34):
to my mom the other day andshe was telling me that she had a
friend that her son was gay andshe didn' t know what to do.
I don' t know what,and my mom explained the whole process
to him, told him how itwas, told him her experience and now
it' s her, because she' s kind of accepted everything much better,
not with someone else' s experience. He can help you from another
mom on this one. Not ifI wanted to know if you had the
experience of positively impacting other moms whoare going through something similar. If I

(23:57):
' ve been touched by this impactingsomeone' s life for the better,
because we already have to change thechip that more children continue to suffer from
this and people think we should stopthinking about what they will tell people.

(24:22):
That' s one and the mostimportant, because I felt it, that
' s what my dad' sgoing to say, what my brother'
s going to say, what myfriends are going to say, what the
neighbor' s going to say,and it' s overwhelming you. It
' s not important. That's not important and I' ve had
this conversation with moms who are datingand who have or have the same thoughts

(24:45):
that I had about what they're going to say is what' s
impacting most. Uh, yeah,and after they' ve talked to you,
you think you' ve had apositive impact or how they got it.
Yeah, the truth is, Ilove it, they talk to me
and they talk to me and nowwhat do I do and now what do
I say? And the truth is, I always tell them. Move for
love. That never fails, nevergive love to your son, 100%

(25:10):
or at least treat what he tellsyou. There, your son is gay.
You have to do this. Youhave to do this. Yeah,
if your dad supports both of youguide them. And so And now and
I have one last question, becauseI know that Joaquin has more and besides,
you have other comments. Which onedo you think, chancha, charle

(25:30):
you' re going to attack,no, which one do you think.
Which is the role of parents todayand of society when they have a child
who belongs to or feels that itbelongs to a different gender, because really
right now there is a great debatearound the laws in Florida, for example,
with the law of Gay Tons andthings like that, where children feel
of a different gender than they wereborn true how you believe or what recommendation

(25:53):
you would give it from your pointof view, that parents can make for
me to weigh in that world thatis totally different from the one that you
had to live for yourself, butthat is also very important. Woe is
to give some recommendation as such.I don' t think there is,

(26:14):
because every situation is different. Ilove it then, but I go back
to the same thing and repeat it, I mean, let yourself be guided
by that love is I think notyes, there are parents who do not
want their obvious children. We can' t generalize, but most of us
love our children. Let yourselves beguided. That' s why we put

(26:36):
aside the one who will tell societyand love those children. Now yes,
I keep learning, because every dayyou learn and every time I love that
opening for these children is more andmore. I have Isabelita who is in
high school or in Miruschool, asthey call her here, in the United

(26:57):
States, and every time she comesand tells me or your little friend.
Not that she' s not afriend, she' s a friend.
Okay. And how do I haveto go? And I ask the truth,
how do I tell him, howdo I refer to him, then
ask him if he gives me thefreedom to ask him and ask him and
if I don' t tell himwell, you tell me, then how

(27:17):
do you see her mom. Ifyou see her boy tell her boys and
you see her girl tell her girl, then there she goes or we don
' t keep learning. I loveit because this generation loves him. Many
generations tell them the Crystal generation andI' m shocked to be told the
Crystal generation. They' re notCrystal. They' re stronger than we

(27:40):
are because they' re daring tosay what they didn' t dare tell
you before, you' re absolutelyright, but that' s also the
end of respect. Of course ifyou identify with the woman and you'
re already this cinse chaning you whois woman and bully are she ok and

(28:03):
read she' s respect at theend of the day. It' s
the most basic thing. Respect howyour problems are identified. All that,
yes, is respect. Now ithas become much more than a bit complicated,
because, for example, there isone my child tells me. There
' s someone who identifies himself assomething. That' s already more complicated.

(28:25):
Yeah, so, right now,it' s the property that I
come back to and I repeat toyou, now is a generation that has
the freedom that we, mentally,didn' t have of ok you identify
how it dries this day, whatit has, how it dictates you,

(28:45):
how it affects the world. IfI explain, we don' t have
to start thinking differently, open ourminds I' m going to talk to
you about something. When I camehere to this area, to that of
San Francisco, I came from thecity of Juarez and came from the pass,
came from a community like Chiquitita,where men are men, women are

(29:08):
women, where the majority did notgeneralize, they were Catholics. When I
get here and I realize there's an opening and I' m going
to talk about a subject that shouldn' t be talked about, but religion
ay gee, there' s this, there' s another one here,
there, there. I' mnot going to educate my children in Catholicism.

(29:33):
It would be very selfish of meto close them here when there'
s an opening up here. Iwill give you the sacraments that you taught
me above your human rights, becauseI baptized you without asking and I confirmed
them without asking. They made thefirst communion and confirmation already made him strong,

(30:00):
because that' s what they taughtme. But I didn' t
want them. I didn' tforce them to go to Mass, don
' t force them why, becauseI wanted to give them the freedom that
if they wanted to marry a Mormon, for example, or with a Buddhist,
for example, they had that clearline, so, that' s

(30:21):
the way the world is. Rightnow, I set that example, but
that' s it. We can' t lock our children in closets and
here it goes no more is insexuality, it' s in religions in
politics, it' s in culture. We can' t lock them up
We have to give them the freedomto be them. I love it perfect.

(30:45):
Joaquin, you had more comments thanthere were on social media. There
are many more, but I'll tell you ton more to see one
said is so maternal that to feelyour son guilty. It' s not
that the question there isn' tfor me, it' s for you
I' ve asked you not anymore. I think the ignorance of when Joaquin

(31:08):
came out maybe yes and it wasn' t no. I don' t
think I ever made him feel guilty, but it was my fault, that
is, the questions I was askinghim. It was. Where did I
go wrong? No, where didyou go wrong? Where I was wrong
that I made you like this,because I did feel that I had done

(31:33):
it like this. Now I realizedI didn' t. That' s
how my pimp was born. There' s genes in there, and I
know it' s good, there' s the last one. Mothers are
the first to know what gays are, the last to accept them. I
think it' s true there.Uh, I say that also the mothers

(31:56):
of my generation do, I thinkthey have a more open generation, more
educated, because now, with allthe technology that is given to the Internet,
it is no longer so easy toremain in ignorance. In my case,

(32:17):
my mom was the last to acceptit into my family, which is
very small, but my grandmother saidshe already knew and barely found out.
I said ah, yes, Ialready knew how wonderful, but my mom
was like that it cost her,as mat cost her a little more,
but then she accepted it, right, but at first it did cost her
more. It' s just thatwe' re Latin moms. And I
think I don' t know,I don' t know your mom,

(32:39):
I don' t have the taste, but I almost think your mom'
s concern was the same as mine. I mean, it got out of
hand. I can' t takecare of him. Everything you say,
everything you see, the attacks thereare, that' s what I said,
that also expectations there are. Hehas a decision that my son was

(33:01):
going to have a family, thathe was going to have a wife and
he was going to have his houseand he was going to marry in the
Catholic Church you had all those expectationsand when he said" hey" or
" hey," that was alreadyclear. Yeah, probably. Probably.
But now I' m happy.Happy to see Joaquin Happy makes me happy.

(33:25):
This one has a wonderful couple,a very educated man. I learn
from that man who came into mylife and I see my happy son what
else you can ask him for asa bad life. I see my prosperous
son I see my happy son andI loved it. Full, I love

(33:50):
good, star. Thank you somuch for having been here today with us
dust to see and for being oneof our first interviewees in this new season.
Of course we had to have youhere with us and when there are
more comments, nothing happens to allyour fans and all your haters. I
want to tell you that the starhere, Huelbeck, we have her here,
Cerquita, comes a little closer andtalks to us again. Of course,

(34:12):
it does as many times as ittakes, if you don' t
stop watching these guys' podcasts,because now it' s coming more and
better. So, thank you somuch for being with us. Thank you
ps soon. So ah so atdinner bye good night, well, well.
Our next guest is Gerry Rakek,a friend of deliveries who is also

(34:38):
gay and Guatemalan. We really lovethat you' re here, Gerry,
because we have a fantastic theme foryou, Uy. But before we get
into it, we have two questionsfor you. Okay Dale, I'
m gonna ask one and he's gonna ask another. Get ready to
see the first time what dating appyou use or what you use right now

(35:02):
would be grinder ok henger and jan. But there are others that have been
used as kehubent Ok and I havenever used that ok is another had mind
snie did ofthimits bagle oh how.I don' t know if the app
was like webside maybe, but Ido that' s okay rapa wey that
was the only one, because it' s I think you only got like

(35:24):
three or six a day, threea day uf everything you have to be
very selective, wow, but it' s also like tinder, that you
spend swiping or almost as chandlerbor becauseyou have to choose them basically if you
just had to do from where youdid, you had to be very selective
WEY because if you got your mari, they don' t pick you,

(35:46):
then you just stay talking about justwhat Coffyn' s called vigo caffinits pay,
but it still exists. He hasn' t opened it, because okhupe
I know that a friend strail usesit and likes it and out there gets
a boyfriend. He doesn' tuse finger chando ah but there you got
your husband and there I got myboyfriend. If they' re looking for
something serious, I' d recommendit. Don' t pay. I

(36:07):
don' t pay, yes,but expensive. I paid for it once
and said but for what. Ifyou don' t give me much,
I have to pay the other onemore expensive to have more, like features.
Yeah no, I wasn' tgoing to pay s hing no.
You love me horrible paybacks and Ilike to have blacks like blogs ah to
block before. It' s good. It has the ats aha and you

(36:31):
have limit of ten per day TheBLOCGS. I mean, I' m
sorry for what you do if you' re too close to my Black b
because I' m not gonna beinterested. I don' t like having
someone near Dao. I thought youwere doing it for geolocation, because I
remember that in Grinder, when youpaid, I never got to pay.
But if they want the pictures,it' s that when you have to
when you pay, you have geolocalization, like they open up the map.

(36:52):
I think that' s for everyone, but you have a permit of
which profiles you can open drager orblock those who are sanquitas the point of
big gigs. But he doesn't like it. But if I don
' t like them, obviously I' m not going to ok the next
question, because we' re goingto talk more about it. The next

(37:13):
question is whether you have joined theGron sports group or whether you have any
kind of relationship as well as sportsclubs as well as people k or different.
I' m two eleven years old. I joined the tenes Gel thef
Y, but recently I joined theUltimate Three bey ok and they' re

(37:35):
from groups that yes, ah howwell they' re both very specific here
in San Francisco, well gay,well gas. I hadn' t really
heard this in any other city.I do not know whether in Europe,
for our friends who listen to usfrom Spain, we should be left with
comments. When I was living inMadrid, no one did a lie app.

(37:57):
There was a gay football group anda rugby group. Now that I
remember, yes, and they werelike super famous because they were promoting them
to Prie and everything I remember.I don' t know if there was.
Other cities have yes, if therewas yes, I have in the
contributions of two bup in Los Angeles. No, but no longer lasted a
season of saying no. No.It' s not for me, but
well, I don' t knowabout that, because it turns out there

(38:19):
' s a new trend, especiallyin jense I found love or at least
a hookup in sports clubs. Ididn' t know that and this is
coming out in New Yok Times ofActure something like that and in The New
York Times I had an article aboutthis and more recently I also saw it
in Pop Shuar. They made anarticle in which they were interviewing people in
Los Angeles, also people in WashingtonDC and in New York and gave their

(38:40):
experience in sports clubs, especially runningclubs, where people went because they liked
it very much because they had theopportunity to meet a person to see how
it developed in the group. Youcan sit down and talk without any commitment.
Not like apps, right, becausewhen you' re on an app,
it' s or I know youbecause I' m sexually interested.

(39:01):
Or I know you because I wantto have something with you beyond. Not
normally in apps, like they don' t lend much as a woman to
ay I want to be your friend. No, I mean, people aren
' t in Grinder to be a. You can correct me if I'
m wrong. People aren' tin Grinder to be friends point and if
they don' t like it,they leave me a comment, but I

(39:21):
agree. But, well, thatwas another topic. I always say Grinder
is what you want exaxactly. Okay, my only ex- ex I'
ve met from Grinder and we werefriends for a year and a half before
we did anything. So, theyactually went or met at Grinder and were
pure friends, friends. Yeah,after photos were exchanged, yeah, no,
yeah, yeah, we met,we didn' t meet. Once

(39:45):
there, I didn' t havemuch attraction. Oh, he gives you
the vike. There are some thatgive you the vipe of what there is.
No. I don' t likega or quo that way, but
I had no intention of being yourfriend. They said we had good pla,
but nothing else. I' mcalled Chingan I met him at Grander

(40:06):
and we met and he was friends' connection. It wasn' t a
romantic or ap- hock connection orsomething. They were friends, no more,
but they talked about it. Theytold him that' s what it
was like I said it was mutualthat that' s how things happened and
like we don' t ask eachother what' s going on, we
don' t take it from me. What' s going on is that

(40:28):
we' re good at each other' s subject. I do, there
' s a person, that's me, when I' ve used
Green Grinder before, it' sbeen for not looking for friends. It
' s because there' s wannahookup, I want a hookup, or
because I want to meet someone becauseI' m attracted I' ve never
been at another point. It's Grinder is what you want, this
is what you want to bring fromthat app. I' ve been reading

(40:49):
the REDDI. All that I wasreading in King and when I was preparing
this podcast and people were just complainingthat I couldn' t get people to
talk in Grinder that they wanted,they were clearly putting their profile. I
' m not looking for a hooob. I' m looking to meet
people, make friends, talk,and then you see what happens. But
those people never got messages because bigpeople were more interested in something else.
In fact, the apps themselves areencouraging you to do that. I'

(41:12):
ve been reading too and Grinder andI think it' s also Craft have
a time when they tell you it' s crazy time or it' s
the time when we have more peopleconnected. Ten of Saturday night. Everyone
is looking for a hookp because youdon' t pay five extra dollars and
we literally promote your profile if youpay us five dollars to have a Soon
Ok Surrey Surrey Gary hook. Butit' s clear no, because now

(41:36):
I see who paid for it wasn' t free with the subscription before and
then they started charging it. Yeah, because everyone wanted it, but who
' s going to pay ten hourscs OK and this brings us the question
of what motivated you to join thesesports clubs. It was basically because the
apps didn' t fill you.Or it was another interest. I think
it' s like one is thatI wanted to have sports hobbies always in

(42:00):
interest, if I wanted to bea hobby, but it was also a
way to get to know more organicpeople. Yeah, without that, like
that pressure to do something specific,that wet Nne. But free Bey was
a friend who always went as hetried and I said Ok let' s
try and you have had the experienceof meeting someone there in Freesby in tennis

(42:24):
that interests you for little and sbut the dog. Or not, because
it depends. I think it's more dependent on the connection, because
just like my team I have ofFreesby flat out, well, not on
my team there' s none thatinterests me. Okay, not like that,

(42:44):
but give him this podcast in caseanyone has a question. It already
separates ah, but from other teamsyes, it just depends on what that
is like as a dynamic. No, OK, and yes it' s
how I' m going to throwthem to see what and if you'
ve met people who have, whohave met on the team and have done
something, they' re hookups coupleor something if it happens, if it

(43:06):
happens, they' ve heard atleast one, I think, but I
don' t know how common itwould be. I think it' s
like everyone else, because many dayscome with a couple. Ah I thought
here thinking that people or to lookto leave these clubs. No, but
I spent it being the article.You did read us both. It'
s just that people, the jensseus are no longer using Raff Grinder.

(43:28):
It' s hard what you wantfor the game, cap to go to
jags and all that is getting intosports teams to find the love of your
life, to go get whatever youwant instead of being on the app.
But because they also like that hobby, because if it' s not more
work, it' s good togo to play, to do a sport

(43:50):
and for what, maybe to meetsomeone. Yeah, that' s why
a lot of people are functional onceand then they leave it if they don
' t like anyone, but theydo, too, I mean think you
' re going to the cool sport, or it' s your team but
you' re playing with other teams. What' s up? On account,
that' s good that the recordhe liked from other teams or from
teams there more, because it's like two hundred and more gas.
Now I have more questions for yousingle. I' m single, okay,

(44:16):
better. Questions or not are morerelated to where you think you would
get a more organic relationship now thatyou move on different worlds, you have
no friends, you have friends whoare from the sports club and then you
have the experience with apps. Whatdo you think is the best combination,
the best formula for someone who's casually single who' s looking to

(44:38):
meet someone, because if his losswasn' t letting go, because I
think it' s pure to meit' s lucky, because I'
ve met him a lot of peoplefor apps I think he' d never
met. If it hadn' tbeen for applications, we' d never
have crossed handles. And more,it would be better to meet someone in

(45:01):
person because it' s more organicYou can immediately see how it' s
sparks, yeah, what' sthat chemistry or how you speak the net.
I don' t know why becauseI, if I was in people
like that I' m more embarrassedin person and I' m a little
more aggressive when the apps were.I mean, I don' t think
I' m more confident about throwingthat dog behind him than you' re

(45:24):
physically not there. You also havethat a wall from where you can still
like because I have longed to showthe reaction that good the reaction of rejection
rejection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happened to me once I'
m doing fine in person. Ithink I can read people a little bit.
In fact, that' s whyI' m so good at CARSC

(45:45):
Games Himanity. I always do superwell in that game because you read people
and you have answers to put inso that they choose mine. But I
think it' s a non-social skill. And the thing is,
I do know how to play alittle bit when someone likes it. But
once I was in a club manyyears ago and I remember that I thought
I read all the signals correctly andI wasn' t even drunk and I

(46:09):
was rejected as a toano. Afterwe have like all night flirting like I
interpret the signals more or the chaomaybe, I think the boy maybe mind
I already think what happened is that, maybe, he also met another the
same moment and already, because hesaid to. Well, ahob, I
' m going with bo and I' m just like there' s a
bad interpretation. I think that's what I really understood most as new.

(46:29):
But since you' ve got tobe real quick, you' re
being made fun of right away,someone else' s gonna come and take
it away from you. Oh,don' t go. I already knew
this. One hundred percent with me. I don' t want 100%.
I didn' t, because Ialready knew this when I moved to
San Francisco. This didn' thappen to me when I lived in Madrid,
but when I moved to San Francisco, I realized that if you weren
' t abused, you stay alonebecause I remember being in one in a

(46:54):
bar, in a club, Idon' t remember if it was bo
or where, and I remember gettingon with this guy, but the truth
is it was super. I wassingle and I was flirting with this guy
and I was super slow I didlike him, well, but I didn
' t understand his signals. Ithink maybe he was a little bit shire,
a little shy, and then therecame another one more abused and the
other, like he went to geta drink, he took a long time

(47:15):
later like he didn' t giveme, it wasn' t clear to
me if he was really interested inme. I said, well, bye,
and I stayed with the other onetalking, I don' t know
what and I went out with theother one and then the guy said ay,
because I was. I, yes, I was watching over you,
but you went with someone else andI, because you didn' t see
me at the signs. It's not my fault. You got you
Huph Tom of Faster. You haveto move fast, not wow. You

(47:35):
have to meet someone and see wehave to do an experiment with those who
don' t, because I alreadysaw him the other day well abused in
the bar. I saw him theother day well abused at the bar and
he did well. There, youknow, it didn' t go well,
well, it was tea, itwent well for a while. I
then already and then I don't know what happened very often, because
for me I know if you knowwhat I' m talking about. No,
I am or I am not crazy, I never do it I was

(48:00):
dancing like this and then I turnaround and some bastard is pushing me and
turning me around and it' swhat I had done, well but I
thought super good, super natural superit wasn' t yes, because he
came to me then I could goto someone, but I don' t
like to do it. You see, when I do, it doesn'

(48:21):
t go to anything. He camewith me and then we talked, but
he was, I think, ondrugs, because in the end he was
kind of confused about something He's, like, confusing me there I
lost interest there because I said itdoesn' t make sense and he tells
him you want to go grab oneonce, but before that he had told
me he had gone to the bathroomand took a while and I think he
was doing drugs. I knew youdid drugs. He gave him no.

(48:44):
Then you want a drink. Orthat I said yes. We saw the
board and he asks me it's you, not my turn to pay.
We just got to know what's up. So I don'
t know if I was getting confusedwith anyone. I wasn' t out
of touch. I think that,because I didn' t want to pay,
I didn' t want to pay, but that' s not the
way to do it. So,you' re going to offer me so
you ask me wey then he orderedit and he only ordered it for him.

(49:07):
And after that aha turns me right, I know oh, you wanted
something I said to him in English. I' m not okay. I
' m asking you what you wantto be. I' ll go with
my friends bye to that point that' s why not. No, I
don' t quite agree. Ikissed him well, I didn' t
kiss well, but I did not. I didn' t like me and

(49:29):
I didn' t like you thatmuch either. Yeah. I was good
at it, but no, handsomeis the sale. I didn' t
see his face. I knew itwas like that. I didn' t
see him dancing then I didn't see you doing that. I had
a dance myself, but it's okay. Me. That' s
not my routine. It' snot from me I don' t like,
you don' t like, Idon' t like to kiss,
it' s kind of weird.I don' t believe many people that
you don' t like to kissin public places, or you don'

(49:52):
t like to kiss in general ingeneral, but if I do, it
' s because it' s someoneI like, although when I do it
in public it' s pretty weird, right, because I just met that
I don' t also drink afactor I did that, yeah, well,
there are some benefits. I believeand I love that you have told
this experience, Garry, because thatalso makes it clear to us what real
- life interactions are like. Thisperson didn' t know her at all,

(50:15):
you met her at the time andthis is what happened. It'
s no longer a perfect example ofhow that is. I think an effect,
a more perfect example of what normalsociety is like when you' re
not in an app or when you' re not in a club where I
think it' s a little bitmore direct than an app, because you
avoid the top smoll. You don' t have to be someone. If
you don' t want to becausethere' s a group, no,
then it' s not like whenyou have a writer date. You need
to talk to that person because they' re already sitting there, both of

(50:37):
them, in a restaurant one byone. And then you also eliminate the
pressure because you' re not goingto meet a person you' re going
to team up. You can talkto anyone and then decide whether you like
someone or not, and above all, you can observe the behavior of people
and the person that attracts you atthat time and then decide whether or not
you want to throw yourself. Whenyou' re in grinder, in an

(50:58):
app. It' s more likegood I' ll see what this person
is like or when you' rein real life, you know the person
beginning, all right, you lookpretty, but then, well, a
clear jerk, but I' dsay good, not so much to meet
someone. I' d say youhave to go to those types of sports
with gay people, community building,güey. I think it' s nice.

(51:22):
Yeah, I think it' spretty. Frisbey is very social.
So it' s been like anew experience because they' re very everyone,
they' re very friendly. You' ve got it, I think
parts aren' t so social,and they' re all more social,
but they' re not older,yes, and then no more. I
don' t think they can playthat. At the same time, no,
no, but there are times theydo as a double social who is

(51:43):
about twenty thirty people who are likerotating couples, then he is a social,
but he is not that chido,but he is emittergeal permitrgy but Fresbieys
more social because they do events outsideof the Games ah ok Ok, because
if they do not have sports intheir country, city or country city where

(52:07):
they live, you do, well, that is a very important thing.
Sometimes we' re also waiting forsomeone to do something for us. It
' s like I' m tryingto get more content creators who spoke in
Spanish at Baria and it' slike, if there isn' t a
group, then I think so andsee who one you' re now invited
to, I already have two bya well, what do you say,

(52:27):
that' s the most embarrassing momentyou' ve ever gone through on a
date to ok already good. Let' s do an introduction to this ay
sorry quick questions for the gay shiftfuck up, but well, which questions
one ask for the gay shift?What would you say is the most embarrassing
moment you' ve ever spent ona date. Oh, I can'

(52:50):
t think of any mm. They' re not fast, oh, I
can' t think of one youfarted. It' s a güey date
that happens. It' s natural. We already know what happens to her
here that date. I can't think of anything. Okay. Well,

(53:13):
Joaquin, I' ve farted I' m not mad I saw there
in front of everyone And I don' t know anything either They' re
güey. I was wrong. Ithink I was very nervous and threw a

(53:35):
drink. Ah, but it's not that bad. There' s
a glass of red wine. Well, it didn' t fall on us,
we fell on the ground. Butor, but, yeah, he
' s super nervous. That wasmany years ago, but yes, I
was very nervous. And then theboy was my boyfriend and it was the
first time this worked out well,better, it' s not like who
' s gonna tell you something forthat good, but you base it,

(53:57):
yeah. Okay. The second questionis if you have a crush brain and
who' s ah right now,I don' t know if someone new,
but cown nail when you' renothing else. You saw it at
home in the new series, thisat the Tears Stations, already, but
it looks good we watts that's my favor, no, already,
well, I was super holl There, then, now it' s in

(54:20):
the new shugar series of Apple TVPlus. It' s good. And
the last chapter wey i no oray no, no, no, no?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no. No,
no, no, no, no, no. Look for Swat two thousand
three. I think I' ma thousand twenty- three to see two
thousand three or two thousand three.Yeah, oh, my God, no,

(54:40):
no, no tot Max sv Iguil, but it' s already more
fixed. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Everyone with their own thing
is yes. Grie. Thank youfor being with us on the podcast today
and being part of the first episodeof the new season. We will bring
you here to talk about more thingsand when you give yourself any topic,
you can also call us here todeliver point on this. Thank you,

(55:00):
Gary, thank you. Ok weheard about my dearest mother and also the
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