Madonna vs. Kylie: ¿Quién es la verdadera diva gay?

En pleno mes del orgullo hay dos cosas importantes, una es mundana y a la otra realmente debes prestarle atención. 
Lo primero: ¿Quién es la verdadera diva gay, Madonna o Kylie?
Lo segundo (lo que de verdad importa): ¿Sabes cómo tomar previsión para no contagiarte de HIV?
En esta edición conversamos con Fernando Mendonza, quién nos cuenta su encuentro cercano con Kylie en Las Vegas, nuestra experiencia en el concierto de Madonna en San Francisco y quién creemos puede ser la diva definitiva.
Además, conversamos con Gustavo Ordoñez, project manager de la organización Aguilas en San Francisco, que provee de herramientas para orientar a la comunidad latina sobre temas relacionados con la prevención de HIV y enfermedades de transmisión sexual. ¿Usas condón o eres más de Prep?

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
About what it' s like todate someone who has ACB or pH when
you don' t want it.There are certainly many questions on this subject.
Hey, you' re such afan of Kylin. Slowly, then
ah often since he was a child. I think Chalymax Soft homosexual already to
see how he made you gay whenit comes to sexual health. In the

(00:26):
community it has x especially from OGBTT. There' s a lot of stigma
that moves around the clique. Yourho hello world gas. I' m
César Salsa and this is Joaquin Comeon, let' s go And this

(00:50):
is gay, the gayest podcast you' re gonna find. And if not,
then here we try. You knowwe' re from San Francisco,
California, one of America' smost gated makas. I' d say
I don' t say about theworld, because I' ve already lived
in Madrid ten well, Gay,oh yeah, super or I' ve
never been, but this summer.So, all right, I' m
going to give you recommendations and you, if you have recommendations for Joaquin,

(01:10):
leave them anyway you can make amid up and you can find them in
Madrid and people take you to places. I see him. Yes, it
would be, we wanted to makea city of Mexico, I do want
or in Puerto Vallarta, Super Gayyes, now I don' t know
which is the most good city inthe world. You saw everything. There
are so many. They' regrowing up. If there are many,
there are many. Well, todaywe have a super fun and interesting podcast,

(01:32):
too, because we have to buildourselves. One of the issues we
' re going to have is whoyou think Joaquin is the undisputed queen of
gays when it comes to singers.And the truth is, we' ve
seen that there' s a lotof duality right now. There are,
on the one hand, those whosupport Madonna, those who support Kyl and
Minch You who you think would bethe indisputable queen between the two of them.

(01:55):
I' d say Madonna, becauseBelan Brasil brought a bunch of people,
because yes, it might be Madonna, it might be Kyle. I
have to say that the truth isI, when I' m in Spain,
not like I didn' t heartoo much Kyly, but I haven
' t been too fan of Madonnaeither. I love it. I went
to the concert here in San Francisco. He did it super well, but
to talk about it we' regoing to have a pop culture expert to

(02:17):
Fernando who' s going to betelling us about these rivalries and they'
re really rivals or not. Whohas more merit than the other. Who
do you think will win? Iknow it might be that some of them
go after Kyle and some of themgo after Madonna. Save your feelings until
we get to the interview, whichI think you will enjoy, because Fernando
is very much in love with bothof you and knows a lot about culture.

(02:37):
Yeah, and you' re gonnasee how fanatical he is and now,
but the truth is, I haveto say, I' m wondering.
I' d say I don't think either of my generation is.
That' s what I' dsay, just like I don'
t know Brinney Spears, that's yours, I don' t know,
but I don' t. Ithink I have a queen, just
like I don' t like itany different. I say shackida güey because

(02:59):
always in the club, as wellas there are more hips to stupeda.
Yeah, I really like Shakira,though I don' t know if she
' s a gay world queen.I also like Dana Paola I did see
her about two months ago. Isaw her last year in Mexico City.

(03:20):
Help. They live north. Allright, all right, you see we
' re past it. We spenttime traveling to Mexico because we love it.
Yes, and we' re alsogoing to have a very interesting topic,
because the truth is that we've been asked questions and I know
people who have a lot of doubtsabout what it' s like to be
dating someone who has achb or bh when you don' t have it

(03:44):
there are really a lot of questionsabout this topic and that' s what
we' re going to be talkingabout in today' s episode, too,
because I think we also need toremind people some things that are very
basic not and that we should allknow about. So we' re going
to have that subject also with someonevery specialized in the subject and I think
they' re going to love it. I say yes. But before we
start, I have a question forthe day. Okay, OK says which
countries in Latin America recognize same-sex unions. I' ll answer you

(04:12):
five or four. I don't know. I' m going Mexico,
OK, Brazil, OK, Cuba, which I found out recently,
Argentina, OK, Uruguay. Ithink it' s pretty progressive that you
saw them before or what pec Idon' t have culture. OK here

(04:34):
they go is a longer list,but yes, all you said there are
Costa Rica, Mexico, Cuba,Puerto Rico, Brazil, Chile, Colombia
and Uruguay, but Puerto Rico.That' s part of the United States,
well, but they' re Latino, because in Florida, there'
s me, too, or what. Yes, I suppose, no yes,

(04:54):
I love it, because there isno Venezuela, for example. That
' s another fart. No yes, well yes, sadly, oh I
also have a question almost that Iforget. Which states prevent the participation of
trans youth in sports of their genderidentity in the United States. In the
United States, so Florida, Texas, Ohio, Selth Carl, Carol Line,

(05:23):
eh, Neta, yes to everyoneyou' ve said where they are.
Mitchcknal Kingstucky, as Mira is twenty- two, could tell us all,
but Oregon, Texas, Wyomi,Montana, Nordakota, Nebraska, Casas,
Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama,
Georgia, Floridas, Saut Carolana,nor Caroline, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio,

(05:45):
Indiana and Alaska. No, well, move Way, but you'
re not there. What other songsif I didn' t mention, no,
no, oh, no, yeah, yeah, Kentucky, why for
Kentucky, Friching, oh, yeah, I was there a week ago wey
wasn' t recommended. There's no one there who' s here.
Yeah. I like it a lot, hy or ajaora that people were

(06:06):
a little more progressive, because Ialways go and I like very much I
people I know are very progressive,but not everyone is like that. And
well, California, obviously, ourson that list. Everyone here is welcome
and welcome here we are waiting foryou, but we are going straight to
today' s first topic. Well, now we have our dearest gas fanatic,

(06:29):
who' s also a fan ofdivas entertainment. Of all this,
our friend Fernando how you are namevery well ay I like that you are
here favorite to us also hear howfanatical you are Dekydimi Net, as ah
I have followed him since I wasa child. I think that they Chuly
told me this homosexual to see howhe made you homosexual You see that the

(06:54):
children are discovering you to their teenagersor something, well, I vina now
saw it. I said this womanWow You see an example. It'
s not like she wants to doit, because we can talk about other
issues. But it was a wakeup like I love detail, attention to
detail, and because I don't know how many your favorite song of

(07:15):
kylem made it difficult to say,but I think the padme paw Ma,
Padam padam or you got it tattooedMuttley. You can see the tattoo and
if you' re not on YouTube, you have to go to YouTube to
see it, because the truth hasa Padam tattoo. And besides, you
' re gonna send us the picture, because we' re gonna put it
on so people can see the picture. When Kyliming didn' t get you

(07:36):
on stage in Vegas, because youtaught him. Right there in the front
row. You' re in thefront row, you showed her the tattoo,
and then she got you on thestage. Tell us, No,
because this incredible dream come true.Ah, I actually did the tattoo because
I represented. He became slank toGay during that last year, which came
out at the Sommer in the summer. Yeah, so I said hey that

(07:57):
' s it. My father identifiedme a lot. I love karlyno never
wanted to give me his name,but I said something that represents the ky
O community, something nice, somethingfun, which is what the song sans
represents yes, yes meet people.I said no, it' s okay.
I mean. I think this isgood. Now better, I won
' t regret it, but thereare services to take them away. When
I went to the show in November, I tried to teach him if you

(08:20):
have to pay a lot to bejust up to Vio and he told me
I want to teach everyone and thathe goes up to me, because how
clear you won' t tell himthat no and I had spain or what
pecs and I moaned I also saidhold on, because don' t cry
on the stage to what it isprofession is very good. I love this
all good. Today we are goingto talk about two divas, Diva number

(08:43):
one, Madonna and Viva number twoyour favorite Kylen Menog and that there is
a rivalry between them. Let's wait, let' s see why
the theory exists, let' stell each other and see if we fight
then. But first we have afew questions that Caesar is going to be
good to you. Question number one, too. Who' s got the

(09:05):
pinana a la pi record Who's got the record for the world'
s biggest sleepover. You know this. I think we' re gonna do
it by ruling out who. Isay someone doesn' t have any information
about that, so I guess burned, because in a thousand nine hundred and
ninety- five, Madonna pajamas kickedout to promote the Beat Time Story video

(09:28):
at Webster Hall in front of 2, 000 people. And that' s
when well, because somehow this fleshwas made this form of memory who left
you there because yes, because Madonna, because she has more fanatical the truth
I was invited to me. Secondquestion, who is considered the global icon

(09:50):
by britis the GBT Awards. Dependson what year, if it was more
recent, it was Kylie, butI think Madonna received the Soward. I
don' t remember the year,but it was from the past albums.
But the GFT GBT and I orthat I know where Kyley truth is,
well, Kyle my nok won intwo thousand fifteen, and I because he

(10:11):
also beat Dolly Partohon, Elton Johnand Ellen the Genneers, who at this
time was still in the top,because we already know what happened next.
But chi, yeah, okay.Now let' s go with the other
one. Who won a Grammy forBest Pop Dance Recording. I just won
Kyliming, not yes. That's good,' cause I just got

(10:31):
a Grammy greener ta. Then I' m not taking it off anymore.
Yeah, I can' t tellyou anything anymore because I decide to curious
fact. I think it' s, like, 15 years since I didn
' t win a gramming. Idon' t remember the date well,
but it' s been a longtime since he won a Grammy from even
Dans that his gender. Then itwas very father to see someone make up
after all these years. Unbelievable,all right. And the other question is

(10:54):
who has had a song that hasbeen like at the same time in more
countries in the Top Madonna ranking ismuch more popular word white. I guess,
then she must be a tough one. Yeah, and that was it.
You know what the song was.Ay Chan Chan Chan Who' s
the real Madonna fan, Hang HangGap heng aup already makes sense. Yeah,

(11:22):
move, yeah, it was supermove. Güey I have once again,
please, no, no, thanksfor the days in having to do
tangos light don' t give itah Yes, it' s true,
it' s true, certain,yes, there began the mims. It
' s true. You' reabsolutely right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(11:43):
But let' s start with thesequestions. We want who the real
gay icon is. Live gay,because there' s a rivalry between Kyley
fans and Madonna fans. I thinkit comes from two three parts. To
the first thing we just mentioned.Premations. Obviously, they have to compete

(12:05):
in certain categories at the same timein the same category with the cannes or
then that' s where the committingcomes from. My wife' s better
than yours or something. No yes, my idol to my divi yes,
yes, the other one was veryweird, like I don' t know
how much they peed. And that' s both from Ireland, uh what
a fan, not England, no, where they' re from, where

(12:26):
they' re from Australia' sAcá hiles. We know why I thought
Madonna was the one who moved tothe UK for a long time. It
' s good, Portugal is runningaway a lot, yes, it'
s moving a lot, but nothere. I think he' s considered
an American, not much. Butshe got big in New York. In
fact, when I was reading Rupol' s story, he mentioned that he
saw Madonna as in the bars whenshe grew up, when she started working

(12:48):
in the bars as a waitress,etcetera. That was Madonna' s.
Oh, what a floor you hear, why you ignored each other, no
more because of the fact that thereare gays. Oh, this is my
queen This is my living one.Well, we love fighting, not if
it' s like Olina Rubio,Thalía Dolin' s rough Fabulous. Aha
another episode, but I think nothingmore like the immediacy of people wanting to

(13:13):
fight for their own taste and alsothe media. If you see interviews,
all of a sudden, how elsethey' re gonna pull this out,
how you see elisacu, this looksa lot like you, that is,
yes, then I say. Ithink it' s enough to sell a
note with tares. It' svery common for media people to want to
fight people, but if they don' t have a plate and but they

(13:35):
don' t have a plan thenthey don' t have a bogus one,
but they had a lawsuit or theydidn' t or I never saw
them do a ch. I'd love to see you fight Pelucado like
that who' d win. Ithink Madonna was much stronger before. Right
now, I don' t knowwhat do are in the third age.
I think so, but very fatherto see this. Hey, Kily,

(13:56):
how' s it look when he' s in concert, he looks active,
because more donates. I told thislady she' s getting tired in
the cha. With good reason,I mean I saw the show recently.
It' s amazing, but Ilove it when I' m forty.
Ah, yes, admirable, butyes, it is already great. Mrs
No. Then I' m goingto go a little bit less, diverge

(14:18):
a little attention to other sides andI told Kailly I see her very excited.
I think he' s got anew air and he' s kind
of interesting to study. I don' t know what happened to him if
he went to revive or he's consuming souls. Well, there'
s a two- touch question.You had Madonna, yeah, and you
had Kyle both. There you sawthe two of us and we were at

(14:39):
the same concert, oh no manchesok ok ok but anyway, from one
to ten how fabulous was the showof Kyle ten in fucks of are ten
out of ten ok but one wouldask also of Madona, because he because
I don' t want to havein them zets your answer of one to

(15:00):
ten what you give to Madonna,since one eight. But mostly but well,
yeah, because in the end therewere a lot of moments when Madonna
disappeared from the stage and left usthere with people you say ay these who
they are. If there were interestingpeople, there wasn' t bot the
Drack queen and there was your daughterwho was on the piano too. And
finally, what does is that inthe end, at the San Francisco Concert,
I got a lot of laughter becauseMadonna, at the San Francisco Concert,

(15:24):
she' s standing on the stageand the stage is sinking because she
' s going to eat it.It' s basically gonna go away.
And I did and she said likeso good night, Sam Sacramento and then
she didn' t. But thefunniest thing was that then she said fuck
ha niw of was with a doubt, like she already knew she was going
to be wrong, she wasn't clear about it, and that part

(15:45):
was very funny. Then, inthe end, I didn' t know
if he did it on purpose ornot, as if for one to remember
truth, the truth is small.He' s going to become a fan,
he' s going to make afool out of us, because he
just did a performance on the otherone. Exactly, and that and well,
from one to ten you give himah you have a very good point.

(16:06):
I was going to give him anine, but if there are dead
moments where, because I grabbed mycell phone, we took photos, not
then there were many dead moments wherehe has to recover his encouragement or change
his wardrobe. Truth is understood,but I' m already frustrated. What
is the age and difference between thetwo. Oh, that' s so
cool. Questions ah are not taken. I know this because, for some

(16:29):
reason of fate, all my womenhave been different for ten years. He
gives us sixty- five Kyle,fifty- five to difurted forty- five
a. Or, well, itmakes sense that Kylie has, like,
more energy, no more. Yeah, I was gonna tell you maybe I
' d go behind him to takehis prek yes, pretty girl who won

(16:52):
' t faint. I think everyhalf hour or so the concert that lasted
two hours disappeared there. Yeah,I' m also saying it wasn'
t the three- hour beyoncé thatwent well, no ah but don'
t come for me queen that,in another perfect episode they' re very
important. Lover, he didn't make his dream, he disappeared a
little bit. I put them inhalf an hour. That' s why
I' m dying of fainting,yes, exactly. I do respect to

(17:15):
see Joachim, what is the nextsubject, the next question canden de ay.
I think that was the last thingI had sha, because there is
one important thing and I want toknow what your opinion is. What there
are songs from each one you thinkyou, which has marked gay culture,
have some song, in particular thatyou say apart from padam apart from padum

(17:36):
a. Carly has a very goodone called Old Lovers and I do think
it was very popular all over theworld, including The Was who is very
father. Oh, weird. Thenthat was very father because it came from
a very nice message of loving familylovers, people, tranl cosis acts.
This gives you' re going tobe a very pretty monkey of love and

(17:57):
taste. And besides, it wasvery variable. Bocio took it out in
Spanish how questionable. I haven't seen her. I' ll listen
to her and see how we putit. There' s Dy has a
Spanish song, yes, the sameone, but translated then she' s
not that father of and she singsit. This is like when Christina Aguilera
wants to sing in Spanish, ay, but she sings nice when she sang

(18:17):
with Alejandro Fernández che because like thereif she hadn' t done it to
Christina Aguilera a tache why. Yeah, I know, Christina Aguilera has the
inheritance. But look good, Anywayand Madonna, what' s your song
you say marked a generation. Ithink he started to do a lot of
polemics with all the erotic ones.I don' t know if Express Gears

(18:38):
Of have that album, but itwas their one from Ok. She talks
about being different. All right,do what you want, do what you
want, mother, whatever people say. I really liked Bok Yeah, and
I saw her at the fabulous concertand that one was used by beyonc Argon
Ground. There are many artists whoare using it recently. We know there

(19:03):
was no insurance. They' repaying the sea of course, the rights.
Obviously we can identify what also closeanal are the bock has. That
' s a very good point hescored is that I feel that bog doesn
' t have the gay message,he' s got enough jotty or it
' s a thousand singles poge.I remember the concert. We didn'
t narrate as our n yes,but I think it was in an MTP

(19:25):
and that' s where it comesfrom that she was singing BUCG and the
men were going out with the whitewigs, so kind of the colony and
men in dresses were coming out.And that' s when the polemic of
the song was made. And that' s how a song was as much
acquired by the collective the GBT Postand also because we must remember that people

(19:45):
made bo with that song. Notthen do I think that' s where
the popularity of the song comes from, that I don' t know if
it' s in the' 80sto' 90s. Don' t blame
me for not remembering generations. No, yes, it was a black and
white, not the video. Itwasn' t black and white, because
I' ve seen it many timeson YouTube. But it was like a

(20:07):
pothole he hears and who' smost supportive of gays, the gay community,
and now they' re holding onto me. I feel like the
ally who was always there for ushas always been Kyle. He never said
anything, bad, nothing. Hehasn' t damaged the community, and
I think he always did it atheart. Right now. Above all,
they grab him a lot and askhim that Madonna, I think he has

(20:29):
too many struggles and is thanked toomuch, yes, yes, but he
grabbed too many things and he alsogot poor, that is, he had
to defend feminism, he had todefend the gays, people with p ah
did very good work with that.In fact, you' re grateful for
everything, but poor thing. Yeah, he was touched, but that was
his time, right, and Iremember in two thousand four he also financially
supported the pp Prate of the Angels. Ah Wow, I didn' t

(20:56):
know then. I feel that ifyou have to give someone a statue,
it must be Madonna for all thestruggles that were presented to her and she
' s the warrior and Apples representingus. Yeah, I fell She had
it real easy. He just gotthe droplets, and now he' s
got it easy. Or you thinkhe earned it. He earned it,
that is also the jackery and thatwe will never leave tefrado, that is,

(21:17):
he always was at the foot ofus, there are always the prides.
He' s gonna be there,out there the chrome of it and
go on and on, that isalways. It' s been a very
good life and never fucks up saying, but good. And finally, I
want to ask you. I'm sure you know that they' re
not rivals. We already know,we already know that you' re staying
with kyliminao which will be the questionthat we have from the beginning of the

(21:41):
program knowing who your fan was whoyou were the most, Fanny you supported
the most we see you. Ifthey' re on YouTube, they can
see they also have a show shirtin Vegas. He' s got the
tattoo, I mean, this manis already dressed in ke removeut and he
' s also in red, likethe suit Kyley wore for Padan Padán'
s video, which I love,and in fact, that song now is
about me talking to you. Theother day the song returned to my Spotify.

(22:02):
I don' t know what happened, but I do want to know
that you' ve been telling methat they don' t have any kind
of quarrel or fight, real,which is something that people have created more,
but they also sang together not recentrecent events show that they are not
enemies. Uh- huh Tell meabout it. I don' t know
why fate put this episode on rightnow at this time. No luck,

(22:25):
because this would have changed just likeours. I don' t know,
but recently Kyle went to the madonnandElla concert and it was very significant,
because they showed us that they're not enemies who support each other and
that they love each other very much, because the way he showed up also

(22:45):
matters a lot. Madonnald once worea street shirt because I wanted to support
her and say I like Kylie,I love coloring with her, but it
was always like very vague and thisand Kyle to return the favor. What
I wanted is this exactly good,very similar, very similar to how she
showed up. When Kaylee got dressedand street got on a Madonna T-

(23:07):
shirt. Oh cool no more thanthere was in the neighborhood and I came
to see what fart with ayen isplanned. The pair that the Kyley and
the Madonna bring was hoisted. Rightnow he won the peace polisher. Very
well, very well to demonstrate toall the little eyeballs that there is no
quarrel and they sang of ible survive, which is a very special theme for

(23:30):
very representative. The two survivors donot go through all the wars that touched
him and Kayli, as it wasthe cancer that touched him. Ah what
a nice message, very nice itis like the two are very ah well,
total livers Yes, very nice theyput you between them, instead of
being feeding this average, of courseusing a little love between mom. All

(23:52):
right. Well, Fernando, thankyou so much for joining us today.
We' re gonna have you backin another episode, because we have more
questions for you about everything. Joaquinand I were talking before who is the
diva of every generation. You canleave us comments on this podcast, but
we' re going to talk aboutit. In another episode with you too
because I think you' re goingto have enough to say about this,

(24:15):
right, because we' re notof the same generation. Then we have
to do research. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and besides, I think
my life is gonna be different,so I want to see what your opinion
is about that. What did yousay, Culvina, no, no,
Bowl, it wasn' t,but no longer Latina. Yeah. Well,
thank you Franando for being with us. Thanks, well, we'
re already with Gustavo Ordoñez, he' s project manager of the organization Eagles

(24:38):
in San Francisco and they have aparticular program that helps with mental health and
also with the sexual health of Hispanicsin the bay area and surely the safe
area is bigger. Gustavo, thankyou for being with us. The first
thing I' m going to tellyou and if you' re not on
YouTube, you' re not atall, in case you' re in
Spotify or Apple Podcast, because theuffi you like today is fabulous. Yeah,

(25:00):
well, I think I' mon YouTube, but for the reason
they' re not very correct.Well, that wouldn' t be lifeless.
So you' re right, butthis money is straight. I love
it, I don' t loveall the thanks for inviting me a pleasure
to be here and share a little, because what I do my day to
day, my Monday, to Friday, my nine to five in the afternoon.

(25:21):
So what you want to know withpleasure, perfect before you start from
where you have an accent. I' m from Venezuela. Oh, yeah,
' cause you don' t havean accent. I have nothing,
I speak, but asshole when Iam making you Venezuela, but when I
believe myself then I leave you alittle my accent to do is neutral a
never knows background, but how youdo it, because I don' t

(25:44):
know what accent I have. Idon' t know. I don'
t know how to reduce the accent. I have a nod and point you
have an accent from Venezuela. Notmixed with Spanish. Well, there goes
the important thing. I lived inSpain, too. So sometimes I also
get a little bit out of Spanishwhen I' m Spanish, but I
' m originally in Maracaibo, Venezuela. We have a very particular accent.

(26:07):
It' s the only city inVenezuela that speaks traditional Spanish like that of
Spain, and I only get outwhen I' m around other maracúchos.
Not thank God, because it's very complicated to understand, but it
' s nice. Is it interesting? Is it different? Is it different?
I love it good, Gustavo.I think to do this, to

(26:29):
do this a little more allusive thanpeople understand it better. I would like
you to tell me a little bitof a story that has caught the attention
of a person who has come insearch of help to eagles, so that
people can understand in situation how allthis is handled. Not good. As
you mentioned earlier, eagle focuses onsexual health and mental health. So,

(26:49):
usually that' s the approach thatwe usually have from people who are looking
to be members or to be customersof eagles. When it comes to sexual
cell. In the Latinex community,especially AUGBT, there are a lot of
stigmas that move around the community.So it' s not a topic that

(27:11):
you can talk about or that youcan mean, how to enter it openly,
like any other person, you haveto first calm them down, make
them understand that they' re ina safe space, that they' re
not in danger, because even let' s say if I' m going

(27:33):
to do a really small parenthesis whena person is going to go into a
medical system with respect to admission,prep, or they start their treatment or
whatever, the first fear is whatdocuments they' re going to ask me
for, of course, because ifthey' re in documented, then they
think they' re going to getinto a system and they' re going
to realize that they don' thave documents and they' re going to
deport them and you have them.So it' s pretty delicate how to

(27:56):
touch on the subject and make peoplefeel safe first. It' s like
or like the first step. But, to be clear, that doesn'
t happen. It' s notgoing to clarify why California is a sanctuary
state, which means you can't be deported unless you comment on a
crime or there' s a compellingreason to deport you. But if it

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' s just because you were stoppedon the street and you don' t
have these documents, there' sno reason for any authority to deport you.
However, the law says that ifit' s a hundred miles from
some of California' s borders,for example, if you' re in
San Diego and you' re milesfrom the border with Mexico, then there

(28:41):
' s one say. The authoritieswho are at the borders have the right
to deport you, but only withinthose hundred miles ok and they have to
have a compelling reason. Of course, for example, you' re getting
undocumented. This is done mainly bypeople who said cross, because walking or
clear 100, of course, let' s say in an illegal way,

(29:03):
then it' s the only,the only condition, which is the strongest,
when a person doesn' t havedocuments, then, going back to
the medical issue, once the Latinosknock on the eagle door, that'
s our first step, making himfeel comfortable, making him feel safe,

(29:26):
because once we pass the limit ofsafety or that they feel, that you
know they' re comfortable, thencomes the part of the stigma, the
fact that they can talk about theirsexuality. Openly. To give you a
small example, I got a personwho tells me well, what happens is
that I am. So that's in case you didn' t hear

(29:48):
him. He said very accurately itwas every time he said it, that
is me, as I have gladlyliked how old this person is. It
was approaching is that I' vehad several cases. I don' t
know. The age range can varygreatly and can range from very young people
to a person who or is ofage, that is, fefty plus,

(30:14):
as I say to you is ourcommunity in general and is generally rooted in
an education issue. However, onething that seemed very interesting to me about
this person, for example, wasthat every time he said gay he lowered
his voice tone to a minimum.So it was because you know that I
' m which one was something that, I mean, it was kind of

(30:36):
like I' m doing a speechthat goes weird there because I, I
mean, I don' t knowif it was that my ear stopped watching
the audio fail. Yes, theaudio was failing me, they were disconnecting
me like that or something, butI have the right to ask then one
of the things that I really like. But you have to feel comfortable with

(30:57):
discomfort. In my position, youhave to ask very uncomfortable questions, of
course, and you have to doit safely and comfortably, because if you
' re insecure and if you're uncomfortable, that' s what you
project, then people feed on thatenergy and they can shut down. And
that' s the biggest one islike the worst of cases. Yeah,

(31:19):
what you want is the opposite.You want this person to kind of open
up and feel comfortable and tell youwhat' s going on or what situation
it is he had, what's feeling anything, but open them up,
because already once they open up,your job is done. Then.

(31:41):
That is one of the stories thatseems to me to be somewhat particular and
rooted in stigma and all those conceptsthat we bring from our culture. I
still have people who tell me thatI do from the environment. How interesting
now that they mentioned something about eagles. The environment is the slogan of the

(32:05):
foundation. I think the main intentionwas that, because to tell people how
this is an environment area. Forexample, when I was starting with my
gay gay life, it wasn't said you' re gay, you
' re ambient. Okay, yeah. I' m going to the ambiance
record, too I' m goingto the ambiance bar. It was ambient.

(32:27):
It' s true, like theChico Court. So this person,
this person, for example, isalmost sixty years older, so he was
like not that since I am ofenvironments that I am of environment, you
never said that I follow. Sowhat I was doing was I was repeating
how to say gay. Okay,I was telling her you' re gay,

(32:49):
but how do you identify yourself?You' re gay, but how
do you identify yourself if you haveto identify yourself with something, which one
would you use. Yeah, especiallybecause in your position you also have to
know if you' re gay,or if you' re bisexual or if
you' re having sex with morethan one more, because in the end
you need to know all this datato be able to process the case.
No, and that' s somethingI wanted to ask you. Most cases
that you receive when people go wealready know that you are working for the

(33:14):
Latin Community, whether it is thecase of BH or whether it is in
cases of STDS. What is thenormal reaction of people. They take it
as more natural and simply come lookingfor help or they still come as well
as with that fear of because passingthe security barrier you commented before, passing
the barrier of or, how youidentify yourself, how they feel once they

(33:36):
have to say, is that Ifound out that I' m clear there
really isn' t a reaction,as it can go, from something very
very positive to something very very negative. And that' s why we,
too, as we combined, didit with mental health, because immediately from

(33:57):
my position I, if I seea negative reaction to you with vh with
a sexually transmitted disease, the firstthing I do is get you in therapy
with our counselors, because that's going to give you the chance to
have a space that' s foryou alone. And obviously, counselors are
going to have tools that you canuse to digest this information. However,

(34:21):
one of the very particular cases andthis to not make it so serious,
but the same time I want togive them a little bit of itch to
the information is that I have amember that he came in with fear that
he would be infected with HIV orwith a sexually transmitted disease and I ask

(34:45):
him why do you think that happened. It' s not like I'
ve been having unprotected sex for theweekend. Then I' ll tell him
what you just said. I tellyou who you had sex with men with
women, not just men. AndI go, okay how many couples you

(35:06):
had and it tells me well,in the group they were like this is
not a person. Let' ssay twenty and tell him I ah,
it was a group of people andhe tells me yes, and I ok
a, how many of them youknew none, uff ok what fran,
how many of them you had sexand he tells me with all of them
I was the only passive. Ohhard days I tell you, I oh,

(35:30):
okay this how many of them hadprotection. None of them know they
use a test, which is protectedin some way. I don' t
know, they' re all strangers. So they just like you have to
ask this question and you can't teach and I stayed so you have
me, you can react. Atthe end of the day, this isn

(35:52):
' t something I don' thear, like other frequencies as well as
me, as well as that Okevery time you do this and him and
that well, practically every end Iread I Ok let' s talk about
high- risk situations, low-risk situations. Not how you identify yourself,

(36:14):
I' m another Ok. That' s okay. Is this a
real case? Is this a realcase? This is a real case.
He has his wife and has hischildren, and he likes to go to
sex parties or oesias and likes todo the victim. So it' s

(36:39):
OK and no, but it's not in prep. Or then he
' s not in prep. Hedoesn' t like to use gifts,
he' s afraid of tests.And that' s when my job gets
hard. Yeah, what did youdo? Me. What I do is
break the information so that you candigest it slowly so that it doesn'
t feel like first I' mblaming you for something or, second,

(37:01):
that you necessarily have something, becausethere are many sex parties that ask for
you. Yeah, well, itproves that you don' t have any
sexually transmitted diseases or that you're in prep to protect others. Also
of course, then I told himabout high- risk situations, risk situations

(37:24):
how to prevent it if you don' t want to. If you don
' t want to, you canstart any kind of treatment right now.
The technology is very advanced. Then, we already have preb that you can
make it a month, every twomonths, every three months or almost months.
Yeah, it' s just aninjection every six months. Don'

(37:45):
t suggest I' ll change you. It' s an injection. You
wear it and forget it for sixmonths. However, for people who are
starting PREEP who have not taken itbefore, in the same way, they
ask you for at least thirty daysof testing to reinforce that shield that I
have of some sexually transmitted disease orHIV, like or like, but it

(38:07):
is coming. We have to finishthe story. What happened to the lord,
I mean, after you got it, you asked all the right questions.
I used PREPT I didn' tuse prep. What happened? Well,
we have an ally called Alans ofProject. It is a program of

(38:27):
UCS San Francisco, which gives youdirect access to this because medicines like REPS
and in fact I don' tknow if you know, but there is
also the PEP PP, which iswhen you feel that you have exposed to
a person I tell you look youwere exposed, taken in the next seventy

(38:51):
- two works or protect that isbeing doxyc, a PP business for HIV,
DOXI for sexual effpresion. You don' t know me PEP no less
knew the Doxip PREPPS. If heknew me and the PREP was good.
Obviously, and then this person wouldfirst know with my ally two and we
put him on a program to startpreb However, we tried to follow op,

(39:16):
but he never appeared to me onthat one. I think it'
s the negative comparison of my work, too. I can' t legally
pursue anyone. Sure, I cando follow op. He can make calls
to you or he can cream youor send you a letter, but if
there' s no answer to pitifully, I can' t take any more

(39:40):
action unless I feel like you're in real danger. Sure, then,
in the end you sent him toyour health allies. I imagine that
if it was done some tests toknow if something was going on and it
didn' t come back, thenthe test is done, regardless if the
tests are positive or negative and oryour us in pref They put you to

(40:02):
start, well, the whole processand so that you can protect yourself,
especially when you' re sexually activelike this person. But, however,
I can' t be there allclear, tomatola take it, but here,
in San Francisco, or California,there are resources for the PP to
be free. Right. Yes,I' m California and specifically San Francisco

(40:28):
is one of the cities that hasadvanced studies for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV.
So there are big companies like VVO like which school is the other.
There are two companies that are biggirls that, in fact, one
is becoming sponsor of the stry Crashgroup. Yeah, I saw Mister'

(40:52):
s publicity. No. No,no, no, no, v Heal
Vive healer Oh yeah. Yeah,yeah, yeah. And these other ones
that are groghries or houses that makeceutic forms and they have a studies that
are super advanced. Super- advanced, because PP' s giliar company is

(41:13):
here in San Francisco. Yeah,from Ranby Feldker. They also have main
offices here. However, they arefrom the East Coast. So they are
the ones who practically have the mostadvanced studies and are already here in San
Francisco, because they already know withall the rights and with all the laws

(41:34):
that we have developed as a community, because we have had the great advantage
that we are as a nucleus whereall kinds of technologies are developed. And,
well, we also have the supportof the General Hospital of the Marshockberg,
which he donated. He built itand donated it, I think it

(41:58):
was eighty- five million dollars forhim. Study of bah Afrom Misonon and
lex Abinte. Okay, then.Looks to me like you' ve got
two five bucks. Yeah, well, yeah, it came out of his
pocket and he didn' t notice. But they' re equal well,
big, maybe it' s important, maybe it' s another name thing.
That' s a nice gesture.Well, that' s the Robot,

(42:20):
' cause now I' m snoopingaround, I like him better.
Now I want to move quickly toa round of quick questions, because at
the beginning of the program we weretalking about that we wanted to give information
to people, because there is stilla lot of stigma on social networks,
in Grinder, especially when a personand this talked to a friend the other

(42:42):
day, when a person says inWriden, for example, that there is
BH or Chib like there is astigma, no, like a lot of
people say ay no. Well,I don' t want to chat with
this one,' cause I don' t want anything to happen to me.
No. So I want to doas a round of quick questions for
people who are dating a person whohas a chip so that they have more
true information. The first question iswhether my partner is HIV- positive undetectable,

(43:05):
I should continue to take prep.You should continue to take PREP if
you are sexually active with other people. If you are dating someone who is
undetectable and is an onogamous relationship andyou decide not to take PREEP and this
person continues to take their medications regularlyand remains undetectable, the risk of getting

(43:27):
HIV is practically zero. When youshould tell your appointment that you are HIV
positive UFFF MI recommend if I wouldbe immediately. However, this is like
a second closet. You have toget out of your closet and you have
to be comfortable and you have tofeel confident about what you' re saying,

(43:51):
because I mean, after all,there are diseases that are much more
risky and people don' t talkabout them. However, as there is
a stigma behind HIV in our community, I would recommend it immediately. However,
if it' s your personal opinion, don' t do it because
you have your medications, you're undetectable. It' s like an

(44:15):
option you can also take If youthink if you' re exposed to IHVBH,
how fast you can know what thesteps are. Well, as I
mentioned earlier, if you were witha person who had sex, there was
no protection and this person tells youMira, he was diagnosed with HIV.

(44:36):
Or I have IH the best optionimmediately if you can get it for free
at clinics like Strat in Castle,and you can also do it through you.
This sure cousin ok. After that, obviously, evidence is the most
contundant. But, however, thisH has not appeared in a test before

(45:00):
two weeks. Faster it has appearedis two weeks, fourteen days for you
to take a test and be positive, if it' s really positive.
But, however, this is thefastest. That doesn' t mean you
' re gonna get out. You. Of course there are people who have

(45:21):
lived with VVH for years. They' ve never figured it out because you
remember this is a virus that's multiplying. So it all depends on
this is related to the vile viralload is, the amount of copies you
have on your body. So,once the virus starts multiplying, copies start
coming out, your viral load increases, and that' s when it starts

(45:44):
showing in your exams. However,there are people who have had it for
a long time and have not multiplied. Then the virus doesn' t really
show up. There are even caseswhere one speaks of a false positive that
are even other viruses and gives positivefor abai ah Wow. That' s

(46:07):
why there are generations of tests.Totally free ones are a generic test.
But there' s a test that' s called and I don' t
know why they haven' t changedhis fourth generation name. I think it
' s related to the fact thatit' s exposed to like four different
elements that make the virus react.And then, if this, if you

(46:29):
already get positive, this, ifalready definitive, that would be my recommendation.
Super interesting knowing this is gonna bea little story I have. I
once met a person I didn't know, obviously, because we met
at a party that was vh positive. And so that day we went to
sleep together, but there was nosex because the person said no, we

(46:52):
can' t have sex and Isaid no. I understand nothing, but
I told you your drunk, let' s go to sleep and in the
morning he explained it to me andI said ah, well, look.
This has never happened to me,but that one person who has the detail
to tell you looks. Here's what it is. If that'
s not why I didn' twant to expose you, I mean,
I' m undetectable, but thisis one thing that' s how I
do it I want to tell youfirst and then you make the decision whether

(47:13):
you want to have a relationship withme or not. And I thought it
was super honest. I thought itwas a very straightforward way to do it,
and I had no problem with that. There was no problem and we
went out several times in fact,but I found it very nice that the
person had this kind of reaction.And I think that' s good.
As you said, it depends oneach person and how you want to say
it some people kind of have itmore internalized, but it seems very positive

(47:37):
to me. It was the firsttime that happened to me and I,
obviously and this I want to bevery honest, it was the first time
that happened to me and I waslike inside I was in shock, but
I also said take prep, Ihave education, I know how everything works
then, but internally I was stillin shock. We hadn' t done
anything, but I was still inshock, but then the chow is like
the shock is because it' sthe first time it happens to you,

(47:59):
not because you' re not protected, not because you don' t have
the information, not because this personhasn' t told you that he'
s with all his medications. Notthen sometimes it' s like if things
can surprise us a little bit,but if we have the right information and
education and resources, we can goforward with whatever it is. No.
And in the end, if you' re making a person who' s
HIV positive you don' t have, why deny that relationship. All of

(48:20):
you, if you are taking thesteps, the steps indicated, as Gustavo
explained, I have friends who aremarried to a person who is positive and
has a normal life, not thatof already, and that is that,
in fact, as I said before, now with new technologies, you can
have even more normal than normal,because now you can have your injection every

(48:45):
so many months and you can continueyour life. It' s not like
a person who has high blood pressureor something so they have to be forever
has to take that blessed little pills. Already the diet yes, the icho
is also highly recommended, since takingcare of a lot of food and your
health. But technology' s kindof moving super fast. Let' s

(49:08):
remember that it' s been,like, 30 years since it started,
that the VVH drugs and right nowstarted. We' re already like a
super- used. But the bestweapon for any issue that has to do
with sexual health, which is education. Sequentially in eagles, it was in

(49:29):
a lot of information. Usually Idistribute around sex toys stores or bars that
I distribute one I call them thecondom keats and they have condoms and they
have locational, but it also hasqarquates one where it talks about sexual health
and also how to use a condombecause they believe or not. Believe it

(49:52):
or not. I don' tbelieve you there weren' t any otuses
that don' t know how touse a condom, yeah, yeah,
believe it, yeah, but stickthem in their mouths and clean this up,
you know this and don' tdo it. So the gargajira to
what we won' t talk.I love it and my little gift where

(50:13):
my condom is, my luplicant.Now the ca ah sorry, ok ok
ok that then we block the videohere sa in fact, yes I have
it there. So I have thatand it' s also a quarqute that
leads you directly to do something aboutHIV testing or some kind of sexual transmission,

(50:35):
so I give them one over here. Of course, we have them
here for the guests as well.Thank you for being with us. Gustavo
the truth that I love you wewill also have for this, for other
topics, to talk with you,because here we have very good vibra and
we love tribe The sale is thatyes and I learned a lot. Yeah,
I thought I knew a lot,but no more. I don'
t like anything. In fact,if you' d like to break HIV,

(51:00):
for example, now that you mentionedthe deirin apps and h I have
a lot of information about that aswell as how you can open the issue
and do it in a healthy wayor find out when a person is attacking
you or using it as an armadaagainst you ah Wow, because that is,

(51:21):
regardless of whether San Francisco is verybased, we still have those people
who don' t have two frontfingers and they' re using it as
a weapon to make it clear andsadly the reality elsewhere is worse. Let
' s imagine that your podcast isreaching people who don' t even live
here in California, but are reachingplaces where it' s a little more
extreme. This condition, because Ithink it would do you a lot of

(51:44):
good. Of course, we're gonna have you taste it again so
you can tell us a lot moreabout this. Others you are already perfect
there our other offic care for usto have in the next video. You
know you can also see us onYouTube on delivery. Thank you, Gustavo,
and we' re still here ChaoChao made baby. Well, delivery
friends, that was our show today. We remind them that we are on

(52:08):
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(52:29):
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that would be great. This takesa lot of work and a little bit
of myth, but good x this. We thank you for listening to us
today and we see the next one. By Bye,