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We've lived in both Guadalajaraand now the Lake Chapala area in
Mexico.
And one of the top questions weget asked is, where should you
go?
Should you go to Mexico's secondlargest city?
Or should you go about an hourout into the very famous Lake
Chapala area?
And in this video we're gonna betelling you the pros and cons of
each and.
What might be suited for eachperson, depending on what your
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people internationalizethemselves in a crazy world.
So here's the kind of profilethat would probably make sense
for Guadalajara.
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Let's say that you really loveto go to different international
restaurants.
You frequently go out, maybeyou'd like to.
Occasionally, you know, once,once a week or something go out
to like a bar or a nightclub,uh, and you're looking for a
more, I guess, metropolitan, um,scene where there's people from
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all over the place.
It's a little bit more of aninternational vibe.
Um, that's more Guadalajara.
You would also definitely findmore, I would say active, like
business people there.
Um, you would find.
More to do overall.
Uh, obviously it's a big city.
If you're looking for juujitsu,I mean, you're gonna find it
there.
Although they probably havejiujitsu and Joko depe already
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and haven't actually checked.
Um, but you're looking, let'ssay for, for specific sports or
clubs or, or things to do.
There's definitely a lot more ofthat in Guadalajara.
So if you get bored, reallyeasy, if you're not constantly
out and about doing something,meeting people, whatever, maybe
that's more of a.
Vibe for you.
Anything else you would add tothat?
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Uh, I would add a couple things.
I think if convenience is reallyimportant to you, like it was
for me for a long time, thenmaybe you want to be more in a
big city or a city center, uh,because then you could just walk
to anything that you need.
One of the things that we lovedabout Guadalajara and the
neighborhood we were living in,we could literally walk anywhere
to anything that we needed.
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Here it's a little bitdifferent.
We need the car, granted,there's no traffic, and we're
only 10 minutes.
From the nearest town, so it'snot a huge deal.
Um, but if convenience is veryimportant for you, then maybe
the city makes a lot more sensefor you.
We've had a lot of comments comein from some of you on our older
videos about Guadalajara, abouthow you chose certain areas in
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Guadalajara specifically becausethey were so walkable.
And then on that note, if youdon't have a car and you're not
planning on getting a car, youcertainly could get by depending
on how far you are from thecenter of a town.
But if you want to really enjoythe true nature and beauty,
let's say somewhere in theChapala area.
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You might be, you know, maybe ontop of a mountain or some,
somewhere that's not necessarilyright in the middle of a town.
Especially if you want a lakeview like we have.
So it's not that you can't getby at all without a car.
You're gonna be just doing a tonof walking.
And by I mean like a lot, if wewere to not have a car, we would
have to probably walk around aquarter of a mile down the hill
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to the highway and then uphill.
Uh.
Same distance, which is gonna besignificantly, um, harder.
So if we didn't have a car andwe weren't planning on getting a
car, we would either, eitherchoose to be in a city like
Guadalajara, or at the veryleast, somewhere like downtown
Al or Ahah, or Joko Depe, um, atleast in Al and Ahah, I believe
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they have Ubers in this area.
I have not yet actually seen orheard of Ubers.
They have people that like, sortof do Uber.
Um, but it's not actually on theplatform.
They're more like just, youknow, drivers that you can text
in a group or whatever and theycan come pick you up.
So it's possible without a car,it's just not gonna be as
comfortable, uh, to, to go onAmanda's note about convenience.
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Um, and then things like UberEats or Wrappy if you're trying
to get groceries or things likethat delivered.
Now, interestingly enough, whenwe were filming the first part
of this video, our grocerydelivery guy showed up.
It wasn't a wrappy type ofsituation or Uber Eats or
whatever, where you could orderfrom an app.
But we, we have his numberbecause we, we found it in one
of the, one of the stores inHoCo and texted, there's a,
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yeah, there's a lot of peoplewho will deliver things to your
house, and so we texted him, wesaid, Hey, we need this, this,
and this.
We gave him the list and then wepaid him when he got here, and
we paid a few dollars as like aservice fee for him, bringing
all that stuff up to us so youcan find things that are
delivered to you.
It's just not as convenient as,let's say, okay, you know what?
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I want a pizza right now.
I'm gonna go in three clicks andorder, you know, one out of 50
different kinds of pizza that Ican find on Rappi, for example.
Yeah, no AHI in Chapala is moredeveloped, so there might be
more in those areas in thatsense.
But nowhere near like whereyou're going to find in a major
city, like, whoa.
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Yeah, there's gonna be like ahundred different restaurants.
Yeah, and one thing I would addis it might depend on the kind
of business that you are in.
So for example, Guadalajara isknown for tech, for example.
There are startups there.
So if you're in that world orhave something to do with that
world, then you know, you mighthave to physically plant
yourself in a location wherethose things are happening.
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Now, for us, that doesn't reallymatter because we work online
and we can go anywhere in theworld and we don't have to be
tied to any specific location.
So for us, that doesn't matter.
But for someone who's watchingthis, then it might matter.
And I will also say,'cause thisactually came up with one of our
contacts in Guadalajara, whoactually, if you're watching Hi
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Angela.
She actually moved toGuadalajara in part thanks to
some of our videos and got herresidency in Mexico and things
like that.
And she said something reallyinteresting.
Mm-hmm.
Which was my logic when I got toMexico a couple years ago, which
was that.
If you're in a transitionalperiod and you're coming from a
major US city, uh, or Canadiancity or European city, then
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moving out to the Lake Chapalaarea or a small beach town or
anything of the so Pueblo oranything of the sort might be
too much of a shock to yoursystem.
Yeah.
So for example, you know, Iliked Guadalajara because I was
like, and this is what, whatAngela said.
Right.
It was like, uh, she was fromAtlanta and I was from Miami.
And she goes, well, Ajara stillseems slower to me than Atlanta,
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for example, or it seems slowerto me than Miami.
Now after a couple years orthree or four or five years,
then obviously, um, it's kind oflike, I think your nervous
system kind of, uh, regulates tothe country and the culture.
So now, while Laja seems fast tome, and I think it's because of
the, the different like cultureand pace of living in Mexico in
general, even though it is a bigcity.
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You take out the traffic, whichis just absolutely crazy in
Guadalajara.
Uh, it is definitely a slowerpace of life than a US city.
So it's, it's too much of a, alike cognitive dissonance if you
go from, let's say Miami tosomewhere like jal.
Exactly right.
So for me it's too many levels.
It's too many levels.
It's like changing country.
That's enough of a shock now.
Changing from a city to asmaller town in another country,
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way too much of a shock.
So I think that might besomething to consider.
As well because that wasbasically my reasoning when we,
a couple years ago, when we weretraveling all throughout the
west coast of Mexico, I waslike, I can't, I can't, like I
have to go back to like a city.
I understand the energy of acity.
Now, obviously, you know, mynervous system is kind of
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regulated to the pace here inMexico and we've traveled a lot
more and I got to know a lotmore areas'cause I didn't even
know that Chapala area existeduntil like I got here.
I know a lot of you already knowabout it, but I had no idea of
its existence until I got toMexico.
So that might be something toconsider.
Like if you're coming from amajor city in the us, Canada, or
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Europe, then maybe Guadalajarais the place for you to start.
It may not be where you stay,uh, but it could be a place for
you to starch because it's gonnaseem slower to you.
Maybe not European cities, butat least American and Canadian
cities like Guadalajara, eventhough it's very fast paced in
the second largest city inMexico, is still going to seem
slower to you than Than LA orthan LA or New York or Atlanta
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or Miami.
Or Houston.
Or Chicago.
Yeah.
And I think that it's also, it'smore of a soft landing too,
because there's definitely ahigher concentration of expats,
especially in certain areas likeLon Medica.
Uh, Alita definitely has a hand.
Full, um, cia.
So, so there's more like expats,there's more meetups.
You could probably find alittle.
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It's not that you can't findcommunity out here because we're
already starting to make friendswith our neighbors and things
like that.
And we've even bumped into somepeople on the streets that were
just subscribers from ours andthey riff nice from, from the
us.
Yeah, that was, that was prettycool.
Um, but you'll probably find ita little bit easier to adapt if
you've never moved to anothercountry and you really like
going to meetups and, and thingslike that before you become, I
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guess, a little bit moreindependent, if you will.
Uh, from that, that place thatyou live, like if you're looking
to, to build connections morereadily, maybe the city would be
a better fit.
It's a little bit more, like Isaid, of a soft landing.
Um, in some cases, depending onwhere you are, the
infrastructure might actually bea little bit better or at least
more accessible.
Like, hey, if you want to go geta cell phone, you just, uh, go
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down to the, the tell cell storeor the Oxo or whatever.
You can easily get a chip here.
You might have to go all the wayto, to, I think he was the
closest tell cell.
Yeah.
And you could still buy prepaidsim cards.
Grocery stores and things, butif you have an issue and you
need to go to the customersupport, for instance, it's a
lot easier to do that.
In b Hara, you just hop into anUber, um, transportation also,
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it's, it's easier to, to get tothe airport or some other
transportation hub or just hopin an Uber and go downtown
versus maybe trying to figureout buses and things like that a
little bit more.
Uh, if you're more out in Impalaor an area, Japa itself will
have Uber, but again.
If you're in, in the Lakesidearea, but not right downtown, in
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one of those population centers,you're gonna find it harder, uh,
to find some of those, uh,transportation options.
Yeah.
Also for culture junkies, if youlike art, if you like theater,
if you like music, uh,Guadalajara would probably be a
better fit for you becauseGuadalajara is known in Mexico
as an epicenter, uh, for artsand culture.
There's international festivalsgoing on all the time.
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All all sorts of dance, dance,all kinds of things going on.
Uh, in Guadalajara so that if,if you like those types of
things, then Guadalajara, uh,might be a better fit, uh, for
you in that sense.
Again, not to say that thosethings don't exist, uh, out
Lakeside, it's just Lakeside ismore chill.
It would be, would be probablythe best way of describing it.
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So anything else you would addin terms of like the profile of
a person that Guadalajara mightbe a better fit than like the
Lake Chapala area?
No, I think, I think that'spretty, pretty good.
I mean, if, if you want to,let's, let's say that for
example, you know, back to thecar issue, you don't want to own
a car or you wanna like, reallyreduce the number of things that
you have.
Uh, and especially if you'replanning on, let's say, hopping
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around countries a lot, it mightbe easier to do.
So if you're in a, if you're ina city and you don't have to get
a car or have a car here, longterm, um, versus out, out here,
I mean, again, it really dependson where you go.
But Guadalajara, I think.
Has more options for, uh, I, I,I would just say like different,
different types of stays.
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So here, I mean, yes, you canfind like Airbnbs and then
long-term leases, but inGuadalajara there's all sorts of
options in between as well.
So you can find more, moreflexible things.
And it's probably a little bitmore digital nomad, uh, centric.
Yeah.
Uh, I don't know the best way toput it, but like co-working
spaces, things like that.
Working, co-living.
You can find the, the hybridco-working, co-living in Gule.
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You're just passing through.
Uh, it, it just really dependson how long you're planning on
being here, what your vibe is,what your profile is.
Mm-hmm.
What you're looking for.
I'll add one thing, uh, which iskind of like a maybe, right?
Which is if you're on theyounger side, then you might
like Walla Hara more than you'regoing to like the lake side.
But again, it just depends onyou.
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'cause we're on the younger sideand we like to chill out.
Like we go to spas for fun onthe thermal waters.
Um, and our neighbors.
Here.
They're, they're our age.
They're also in their thirties.
They're not that, and they liketo garden for fun.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, so they, and they're fromGuadalajara originally, and they
were just kind of done Yeah.
With, with the city, the highpace of, fast pace of
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everything, the fast pace of allthat kind of stuff.
So again, it depends, right?
Because I would say that LakeChip tends to go on the older
side, more the retiree side, butI also see that changing.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, depending on the profile ofthe person and what they're, so
that, that reminds me of anotherthing.
Yeah.
Which is, if you're single.
The dating scene is probablygonna be a lot better for you.
Oh, yeah.
Than Guadalajara.
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Yeah.
There's, there's more stuff todo.
More places to go.
Yeah.
More people, more of a youngercrowd, more of the meetups, more
of the apps to meet people,stuff like that.
Yeah.
And just in general, because ofthe population distribution
here, you do see, you know, alot of like older Mexicans, uh,
that either live here with theirretirement homes, uh, or, uh,
vacation homes, for example.
Not retirement homes, butthey'll have like their vacation
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homes down here that they'llcome to.
You know, once a week or so, um,you'll see the retired Americans
and Canadians.
It's actually, I think Ahah isone, one of the top retire or
top expat communities in theworld.
The most is for Alala.
Haah are the large, is thelargest expat community of
Americans and Canadians in theworld.
Yes, it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Spot on.
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So, um, but that is more, moreof an older crowd and now we're,
we're I think, very old souls.
So we get along, um, you know,with, with more people with,
with more of that, uh, thatvibe.
We're not really.
Too into the, the partying andeverything else.
I kind of got that out of mysystem in my, in my twenties.
Same.
Um, but yeah, if you are singleand you're like looking to make
connections, I mean you could doit anywhere, right?
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Uh, but Guadalajara isdefinitely a little bit more
geared towards that.
Yeah.
So now let's go into the profilethat might like the Lake Chapala
area.
I think if you really neednature, so for example, that was
one of our deciding factors.
It's like this business isgrowing really quickly.
We've had a couple years.
Were that were very fast paced,uh, in terms of travel and just
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lots of things going on in life.
And I was like, I think this isgonna keep growing and expanding
very quickly.
I need to put my feet in grassand I need to grasp, and we got
grass right out there.
Um, so if you wanna be closer tothe nature, right, um, that's
something that's very importantto you, then obviously the lake
chip area is going to make a lotmore sense for you.
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Uh, I would say there's someareas where you can get more of
that nature vibe than others.
Along the lake, but obviouslyit's gonna be easier out here if
you like quiet.
Uh, then definitely the lakechip area.
I think, again, depending onwhere you are.
'cause if you're like in AhiCentro or Chip Centro, then
obviously there's going to be alot more noise.
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You're like in a, in a citycenter or a town center.
But if you're like, where weare, where it's a little bit out
of there, uh, and you're like ina Koto and you're up a mountain,
like it's, it's silent.
Out here and it's fantastic.
It's great.
Yeah.
We fall asleep to the sound oflike frogs and crickets and
things.
Yeah.
So I think that's And bugs ifyou like, if you like all of
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nature.
Okay.
If you like quiet then lake chiparea, if you like more of a
smaller town vibe.
Not so much a big city LakeChapala area age.
It does tend to be an oldercrowd.
We do see that changing.
Uh, there are more youngerpeople interested in the area.
More younger people with oldersouls though.
Is what I would say, um, thatare interested in the area.
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I think, uh, that would besomething that's really
important.
What else would you say in termsof like what profile makes more
sense for like this Lake Al typearea?
I would say definitely peoplethat can work online.
I mean, we, we spent a few yearsin the city, uh, here in Mexico
and I've lived in other Mexicancities before, but.
The way that I look at it islike, if I can already work
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online, make money onlineanyway, why do I have to be in
this like major populationcenter with all of these issues,
like the pollution, the traffic,the noise.
Oh, that's important.
Yeah.
Um, I, I think, and when I, whenI had, uh, I actually did some
work with the founders ofBarefoot Wine several years
back, and I got to stay a fewtimes at their, uh, they've got
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like this ranch in Sonoma Countyin California.
And that, that was one of the,one of the times where I, I just
realized how much I love justbeing in nature.
I mean, there's just so muchvast space and peace and quiet
and like grass and trees andplants everywhere.
And I was like, huh, this is,this is a vibe.
And they told me why, you know,why they like being out in
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nature and kind of away frompeople.
So it's like if you, you know,if you work remotely, if you can
make money from anywhere, if youdon't have to be in this like
major population center.
My opinion is why do it?
You can always go into the city,you could drive in or take the
bus or whatever, and be there inan hour, an hour and a half.
We work online.
The internet's actually quitegood here.
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Yeah.
I mean we were able to get thesame.
Super impressed.
Yeah.
Almost a gigabit up and down onfiber as we were in, in
Guadalajara.
Yeah, exactly the same.
It might even be better herebecause it's less, uh, less
saturated since there aren't asmany people, so.
We have everything we need to,to do our work.
We can get, get thingsdelivered, uh, through like the,
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the delivery people here atdifferent shops and restaurants
or going into town once or twicea week.
Um, get our hair cut, dowhatever we need, um, then come
back up and we can get from,from where we are right now to
downtown pack in about 10 to 15minutes in the car.
Yeah, it's really not that bad.
You can't get anywhere in 10minutes in Guha.
You're stuck in traffic.
No, you're stuck in traffic.
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Yeah.
So I think that's somethinginteresting.
And then from here we're like.
10, 15 minutes to the thermalspas.
Um, which are amazing.
Amazing.
We talked a little bit aboutthose in our last, you video you
25 minutes to Ahi, you know,it's, you're, you're, and Ahi is
already becoming like not a bigcity, but a sizable city.
Yeah.
Like you could find any, I mean,they have Popeyes there to give
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you an idea like yes, theAmerican chicken.
Uh, chain Popeye's.
We went there when we, when wewent to tell Cell we were
running some errands and nah,he, he, yeah.
And it was like storage unit,Walmart tell Cell, like all in
the same area.
Uhhuh.
And there was a Popeye's rightthere.
I'm like, you wanna go get somechicken?
Louisiana chicken?
It's actually quite good, butthey're a little stingy on the
sauces here compared to the usbut I digress.
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Um, so I think, uh, that makessense.
Like, again, it depends whatside of the, the lake that
you're on, right?
But if you're on the side wherewe're on, where it's not as
developed.
Um, then, you know, you just gointo Ahi and Chapala or Hoko and
there's no issue, uh,whatsoever.
What are they?
We almost don't even need to.
Yeah.
'cause everything comes to us.
Everything kind of comes up hereand it's just so, it's just so
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chill.
I mean, I don't know if you can,if you guys can tell, but like,
my, just Well, how would youdescribe it?
Just groundedness and justchillness is, is on a different
level, uh, than it was, uh, in,in Guadalajara.
'cause you just hear the birdsoutside.
There's no.
Crazy neighbors yelling or, orBanda music playing.
It's just like, huh?
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No traffic.
No traffic.
I mean, sometimes you hear thegardener mowing the lawn of our,
of our complex, but that's aboutit.
Like there's no noise.
That's about it.
And you can just kind ofbreathe.
And when you can breathe andwhen you can connect with
nature, you tend to get a lot ofgood ideas.
And, uh, we don't even have todo any, any mushrooms or
anything like that.
Like, like certain spiritualcommunity leaders that we've
been hearing a lot about latelyto, to connect with ourselves.
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Like we just.
Walk outside barefoot, put ourfeet in the, in the ground,
maybe do a little bit ofmeditation or Qigong, and, and
you connect with nature.
You're not like in the middle ofa city trying to either be
spiritual or be grounded or, orlike connect with nature and
connect with yourself in themiddle of, you know, in a little
park while three lanes oftraffic are going.
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Around you and people arehonking because somebody didn't
go a second after the light.
Yeah.
Turned green.
I think this would, it's adifferent vibe.
I think this would also be goodfor those of you who like living
in more of a country vibe, butvisiting the city.
Mm-hmm.
Like you don't like living in acity, you would rather visit a
city.
Chapala is really nice becauseyou're very close to a major
city should you need to go or ifyou like to visit cities, uh,
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it's very nearby, so it's not,it's not a huge issue.
I mean.
It's very obvious why this issuch a desirable area and why
people are so interested in itand why they keep moving here
and buying property, and now whythey're starting to eye other
parts of the lake.
Yeah.
Uh, which all the people in realestate, they know that and the
developers know that as well.
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Trying to think if there's anyother like, profile of a person.
I think it's just if you're amore chill person, uh, and
you're okay with more countryvibes and you're okay with more
pueblo vibes.
And you need nature.
Like that's something that'svery important to you.
Then, you know, chip Paul isfine.
It's not like you're out in themiddle of nowhere and can't get
access to anything.
It's not like that.
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Yeah.
It's not like the, you know,country living in the US where
maybe you're an hour, you know,half an hour to an hour from the
nearest town to go and buygroceries.
I mean, we have, we have alittle like convenience grocery
store type of thing right downat the bottom of the hill.
So if wanted to, and Amazonstill does two day delivery.
Yeah.
We get stuff in two days fromAmazon.
That's great.
Can come all the way up here.
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It's not a huge deal.
Well, I think that's basicallyit in terms of the, the
profiles.
I will add one more.
If you're interested in realestate investments, maybe the
CHIPA area is gonna be moreinteresting for you because
Walla Hot is just basicallysaturated.
Yeah.
In terms of real estate, I mean,they brought out a space.
They're growing.
They're, they're growing up, um,at this point, and it's more of
a saturated and, and from our.
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Research and what we've heardfrom a lot of our real estate
people, like, unless you have tobe there for some reason or you
have to invest there for aspecific reason, you're gonna
find way better stuff, uh, outhere by the lake.
Even just buying land, even justbuying land, waiting for it to
grow, you're gonna find a lotmore interesting opportunities
out here by the lake wherethere's still a lot of
opportunity available.
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Whereas in the cities, it'sthemselves, like W Lahara and
Mexico City, stuff like that,like the opportunities just
aren't really there.
Um, so for those of you who areinterested in real estate
investing, then that could be amore interesting proposition for
you than perhaps Guadalajara,which if you're in a different
kind of business, like if you'rein the tech business, then
Guadalajara is gonna be a lotmore interesting for you and
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beneficial than out here on thelake.
So again, it totally justdepends on you and what your
preferences are.
And what your needs are.
So we hope this video washelpful in terms of helping you
make that decision for yourself.
Our goal here is not to be like,Hey, we're in this part of
Mexico, so we only recommendthis part of Mexico.
Um, no, because we understandthat people have different
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needs.
There's different profiles,there's different personalities,
different strokes for differentfolks.
So we just wanna lay it out foryou and then help you make the
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We're showing you differenttowns, different cities.
We're trying not to spend toolong in one place, but but still
enough time to really understandand report back.
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