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Lake Chapala is a very populararea with both foreigners and
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Mexicans alike.
Now, we just moved out here inthe last month from Guadalajara,
and in this video we're gonna doa comprehensive pros and cons
list of the lake chip area.
For those of you who've beenasking us about the Lake Alah
area.
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So what are the reasons that welove the Lake Chappa area so
much?
We're gonna talk about some ofthose pros first, number one on
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my list for sure.
And we've, we've said this in afew other videos, but it's just
the.
The ambiance here.
Anytime you're around water,it's just so beautiful, so
pristine.
You've got the water in front ofyou, you've got the mountains
behind you, depending on whatside of the, what side of the,
the road you're on here.
Um, we have the, you know, thelakeside and the mountain side,
but, but typically you'relooking at the lake and a lot of
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the places around here will alsohave a lake view like ours does,
and it just puts you in atotally different mindset.
What, what else would you sayabout that, Amanda, in terms of
just, just being around water?
Because you, you lived right bythe bay, right?
In Miami?
Um, I haven't had as much of achance to, to live right with,
with like an ocean or, or lakeview.
I.
Um, as, as we have here.
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But it just changes you in, in away, right.
The water and being close tonature and all that stuff.
Yeah.
I lived in a condo in theBrickle area of Miami a few
years ago, and I would wake upto a Bay View every morning,
bisque Bay.
And I was telling him like,listen, once you have a water
view, you just, you can't goback.
Mm-hmm.
You just can't.
Uh, now I did go back forseveral years.
I, um, moved to another area,uh, in Miami that I also love
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'cause it was full of trees.
I really like trees, uh, too.
And then, you know, we were herein Guadalajara and we just
couldn't find personally, uspersonally, we couldn't find
like a Mexican beach that wewould enjoy living in, like
visiting, investing, that's onething.
But living in, uh, we found theenergy to be too frenetic, like
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for us personally.
Now that being said, thatdoesn't mean you wouldn't like
living in a Mexican beach town,different strokes for different
folks.
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again, entrepreneurexpat.com/consult because part
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make sense, uh, for you.
We have clients who come to usand they want beaches.
We have clients who come to usand they say very funny things
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like, I'm retired, not dead.
I wanna be in a city likeGuadalajara, for example.
So.
Um, again, it depends on you andyour profile, but for us, we
could not find Mexican beachesthat we were like, yes, we would
absolutely live there.
Like it wasn't for us, uh,personally.
Um, and then the lake just kindof hit that nice little spot.
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'cause the lake is so huge, itfeels like an ocean anyway.
And then you're surrounded bythese gorgeous mountains and
forests.
And then you were saying that italmost feels like a beach town.
In a lot of ways it does.
Yeah.
Because you've got the water,you've got, uh, it's definitely
a little more touristic thanlet's say some of the cities,
but it's more local tourism,like people from the Jalisco
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area and Mic Oan and otherplaces will come to Al.
I mean, there certainly areforeigners here, but most of the
foreigners here Yeah.
Are are more living hereactually.
Yeah.
Than just coming to, to visit.
So it's, it's a nice vibe.
Um, and then contrary to whatthe beach towns are like.
You don't have the freneticenergy, you don't have a lot of
those like drunk tourists.
It's much more of a laid backtype of tourist.
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Someone constantly trying tosell you something while you're
laying on the beach.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So again, that's our opinion.
Your opinion might differ,entrepreneur expat.com/console,
and we can help you make thedecision that makes the most
sense for you.
One thing I'll add to thenature, which is something I've
been thinking about today is theweather here is freaking
perfect.
Yeah.
That's actually something, andthis is maybe its own point.
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Is really just how good theweather is around Lake Chip
Paul, because there's waterhere, the climate tends to be a
lot more temperate, so you don'thave those, those really like
low lows like in the winter inGuadalajara or the high highs
where it gets into like thenineties for weeks at a time
before the, before the rainhits.
Uh, or I mean, I think, I thinkwe had a few days where it was
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above a hundred or at least, atleast really close.
Like in Guadalajara?
In Guadalajara, yeah.
It got very, very hot.
Here, it'll get warm.
And I think, um, near thebeginning of June, which is
probably the hottest month, whenwe just got here, it was warm,
but it was still like bearable.
We still would've preferred tohave the ACS at night.
They hadn't arrived yet.
So I had a little bit of adifficulty sleeping, but
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there's, there isn't as much ofthat really, really, really hot,
uh, summer as you would find insomewhere like Guadalajara, or
especially in the beach towns.
In Oaxaca or the Pacific, uh,coast Beaches here in Jalisco
and definitely a lot less humidthan, uh, the East Coast, like
Caribbean beaches, like Playdo,Carmen or Cancun.
Yeah.
And we were told by ourneighbors that the Lake Chapala
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area almost has like its ownlittle microclimate.
Um, they're like, and a lot ofour neighbors were like, this
might be the most perfectweather in the world.
And then you were saying, no,Metagene probably has the most
perfect weather in the worldbecause that's what it's known
for.
Yeah.
But Metagene is famous.
For its weather.
For the city of eternal spring.
Yeah, the city of EternalSpring.
Although three cities inColumbia are like that because
you're, you're so close to theequator, but at the same time
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with the elevation, it makesthings a lot more temperate.
So how would you compare thisto, for example, like Metagene,
which is famous, um, for itstemperate weather all year
round?
Well, Metagene, I think, I thinkis typically what, what I saw
living there is that it rains alot more of the year than here.
Here it seems to be like acouple months that the rainy
season is kind of confined tothere.
It's more of like thisrainforest, uh, kind of climate,
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but.
In Metagene, the, thetemperature barely varied at
all.
Like it would, if at most, likevary by a few degrees here and
there Fahrenheit.
Um, here in Chapala it's moretemperate than Guadalajara
because Guadalajara has adecently big range, although it
never really gets too coldexcept for a few, couple weeks
in the winter.
Um, here it's more temperate,but it's not as good necessarily
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as, as Metagene.
But the difference is here youhave less of a rainy season
from, from what I.
From what I saw.
So there's, there's probablymore sunshine, although,
although in Metagene and someother cities in colo, uh, in
Columbia where it does rain,it's usually limited to like an
hour or two here or there oflike downpour and then it stops.
Versus here we had days where itwas raining at least in the
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rainy season the entire day.
Yeah.
It's just a different kind ofclimate that might have been
'cause of the hurricane iNaCA.
Yeah.
That could be.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a different type ofclimate for sure.
We're still collecting data onthat.
Yeah.
We're we're still collectingdata.
Yeah.
Um.
I, I like, I like the vibe heremore though.
For, for sure.
Metagene has its own set ofproblems and now it's the price
is there, like New York City, Imean, with all the, with all
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the, all the tourists for, forgood purposes or otherwise that
are down there.
But yeah.
Um, all the Passport bros inMetagene.
I like, I like the vibe here alot more.
So other pros to talk about theLake Chapala area is it's just,
um, calmer.
In a lot of ways I think we justreached Than the city.
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Yeah, than the city.
Yeah.
I think we just are in a seasonright now where we had two years
that were very fast pacedbetween moving to another
country, uh, startingentrepreneur, expat, getting
married, immigration, likethere, there was just a lot of
going on for like two yearsstraight.
And we were like, you know what?
We're ready to just kind ofchill out for a little while.
And we found this area to bevery easy to chill out in.
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Of course, we already knew thatbecause we would escape out
here, uh, in the, on theweekends.
When we needed a break from thecity.
So we were like, what if we justlived out there and then we
were, you know, 15 minutes awayfrom the thermal spas instead of
an hour.
Yeah.
How about we try it?
So it's definitely a lot calmerout here.
Um, we were both kind of seekingthat in this season of our
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lives.
Who knows where we'll be in twoor three years, right?
What we're gonna be feeling orwhat's going on.
But at least for right now, uh,that is something that for us,
was really important.
So we would call that a pro.
Another thing that I really likeabout this area is just how
fresh all the food is.
Oh yeah.
So you've got meat that's,that's butchered, like literally
right here, locally.
I mean, chicken, they kill thechickens the same day, and then
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they bring'em to the, uh, to themarket.
And you can buy fresh chicken,you can get meat that's very,
very fresh, at least compared tothe city.
Uh, and the fruits literally aremade like right here on the
other side of the lake by, bythat volcano.
All the berries behind us, allthe berries and things like
that.
So we're a lot closer to thefarms and you have to go through
a lot fewer distributionchannels for most of the food to
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actually reach you versus beingin a city.
Um, and then on, on that note aswell, I think that the quality
of produce overall just seems tobe a lot better, and maybe it
partly is because it's fresher.
So if you like having local,sustainable, fresh food.
Uh, it's definitely a plus forthe AL area.
Yeah, I mean, food quality inMexico in general is already
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much better than what we're usedto in the United States.
Um, I mean, you, for example,were able to get off of a ton of
medication.
We've had many of you tell usthat you just lost weight like
this.
In Mexico, not even reallyexercising, just because you
were changing your food andeither you were walking more or
the food quality was better.
Mm-hmm.
So imagine that if those of youwho are in cities or considering
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cities, like imagine that withtimes like a hundred, because
now you're getting it straightfrom the farms.
Yeah, absolutely.
What else?
Why, why else would people wantto live here?
Well, I mean, you mentioned itearlier, we're checking out
another thermal spa today.
Uh, I keep forgetting the name.
Uh, or how to pronounce thename, but, um, it feels like a
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little beach club, you know?
It does.
Yeah.
We have little spas everywhere.
It feels nice.
There's a, there's a lot to do.
And we just did another videoabout all the things to do in
the lake chip area, but if you,if you're more like, let's say
retired but not dead, we hear,we hear that a lot from people
like, Hey, I'm retired but notdead.
I still wanna meet doing stuff.
Um, if you like that, but you,you want more of a laid back
vibe.
I mean, if you're, if you'rereally into arts and culture and
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all that, perhaps Guadalajara isa better town or city for you,
or Mexico City or Mexico City,and if you don't speak Spanish,
it might be a little bit harderto get by here unless there's in
somewhere like Ahah, in whichcase almost everyone speaks
English.
English.
Yeah.
Um, obviously it depends on thetown, but there's, there's a lot
for everyone.
But, uh, it, it's definitelymore of a local vibe.
Um, but I, I like that.
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And there's, there's, there'sjust so much to do.
I mean, that's really the mainthing is there's, there's so
many things to do that are likesemi-retired activities.
We're almost, we're elegantadventurers.
We're, we're almost a littlesemi-retired now, obviously
we're working, we're helping youguys out, but, but in our minds,
in our minds, yeah, we're, we'rejust kind of like, um, enjoying
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life.
So there's a lot of funactivities to do for the
enjoyment of life around here.
There's a lot less hustleculture here.
Now, I would venture to say thatMexico in general has a lot less
hustle culture than the UnitedStates and Canada, or what some
Europeans.
Uh, or Australians might be usedto, but uh, in the city, you
know, you're gonna get theMexican version of hustle
culture, which is still slowerthan the hustle culture we're
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accustomed to, but this is likeeven slower.
Another pro on that note is justthe lack of traffic here.
So traffic in the chipa area isyou're on the highway and maybe
for five minutes, uh, becauseyou're going through a little
town for five or 10 minutes,you're going half the speed
limit because there's a bunch ofcars.
Hus, uh, the, um, the traffic inGuadalajara though is like
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you're trying to get from oneside of the city to, to another
side.
Almost any time between likenine and five or six, maybe even
7:00 PM uh, and you're bumper tobumper for potentially hours.
Yeah.
With people honking at you,cutting you off in traffic,
people running lights in frontof you, trying to get quickly to
wherever they're going there.
There just isn't that herebecause there aren't as many
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people.
Um, and it's just.
And, and, and on the trafficnote too, like it's not as
saturated with people.
Yeah.
So you feel a lot, uh, you feela lot more just open space and
you can, you can breathe andyou're, there's not like people
just on top of each othereverywhere, like in city.
I would wanna say caveat aboutthe traffic.
I think it depends what part ofthe lake you're on.
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Like, we're closer to like theHoCo San Juan Sala area.
There's like zero traffic here.
Uh, now once you get into Ahiand Chapala, there is more
traffic, but it seems to flowpretty well.
Um, at least at this point inthe year, there isn't even a
traffic light between like Kotaand Ahhe.
And that's like a 30 to 40minute drive.
But then you get into Ahhe andthere are some lights, but it's
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not like a big city.
I mean, it's like still largetown or small city.
I would imagine that in thewinter when you have more
snowbirds coming here and it'sthe busy season, then we're
gonna see a lot more traffic inAkin Peak in Chip Paulo, which
one of you like to bring up inthe comments?
Uh, last time.
However, it is absolutelynothing in comparison to what we
were dealing with, uh, inGuadalajara.
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So for us, I mean, our side ofthe lake has like zero traffic
whatsoever.
Once we get into aki, we'll seemore of it, but it, it's like
nothing.
In comparison, like it's easy incomparison to what we were
dealing with in Guadalajara withlike the weird lane changes that
don't make a whole lot of senseon Lopez Mateos.
And you're like, what'shappening here?
And Google Maps is like totallyconfused because you're like
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trying, you like get off thehighway and then you have to
stay in this lane.
But then you know when you'regetting on like that lane closes
and then there's just like thesebumps and you can't go over
them.
And then there's like all of asudden no lane, and here you
just don't have any of thatcraziness.
It's just one road up and down.
Now let's talk about some of thecons.
So.
One of the cons that I've seenfor sure is that there are a, a
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little bit less of the, themodern conveniences.
Um, I will say that you canstill get things delivered like
to, to your house, um, dependingon where you live as long.
I mean, even, even here, it'snot a super densely populated
area, like right outside of Pokoback, but we can still get
groceries delivered.
We can get stuff from thepharmacy delivered.
We have a guy that'll just goto, uh, what, whatever, whatever
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area.
Um, of hoko of hoko, you know,to, to pick things up.
And he charges what you're gonnapay bills for you exactly like
a, he charges like, like 60pesos and he'll go and bring all
the, all the, the meat and, uh,cheese and whatever, vegetables,
whatever else we need.
Um, so that, you can definitelydo that.
You can definitely get thingsdelivered.
A lot of restaurants deliver aswell, uh, but you don't have the
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same type of conveniences.
One example would be for, forinstance.
Rappy.
They don't really have, well,they don't have rappy out here
at all yet.
Rappy is kind of like, um,DoorDash or, or similar where
you can just order whatever youwant, or Postmates or something
like that.
They don't have Uber Eats andthey also don't have Uber.
There are certainly taxis,especially if you go into
downtown.
You can get a taxi.
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You can probably get a taxi topick you up for a fee depending
on where you are in the HokoBeck area.
Definitely in Nah.
Um, so this is more cons of likewhere we are particularly, but
in, nah, they have Uber, Ibelieve in CHIP as well.
So if you're in a larger townor, or small city in the chip
area, you can still get most ofthose things.
But if you're a little fartherout, it's gonna be harder to
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find.
Um, the other thing isinfrastructure.
So we're really lucky becausethere's so many foreigners here
now, especially coming to thisarea.
And we can actually get most of.
The things we need.
Like internet, for example,internet here is actually as
fast as it was in Guadalajaraand maybe a little bit faster at
times because it's not assaturated with people.
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But not all of the areas aroundthe lake are gonna have such
good coverage.
So there may be areas where you,you're limited to like A DSL or
a star link.
Uh, for us, we got lucky becauseour condo complex on the
mountain had was wired for totalplay fiber.
So we're getting almost a gigeach way I think.
I think you can get up to a gigmaybe.
Maybe a little more than a gigup and down.
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Yeah.
Which is pretty cool for likerural Mexico, right?
Yeah.
And we've heard a lot of peoplesay not in our, uh, comp, not in
our condo area because it seemsmost things are underground and
were built that way.
But in other areas, uh,especially, we had a lot of rain
the last couple days'cause therewas a hurricane out by Oaxaca
and then we got the rains, uh,you know, wifi and power were
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going out.
In some of the areas.
I mean, it was torrentialdownpours for like two days
straight.
Yeah.
So you, you definitely wannamake sure that you've got some
type of backup system.
Like we've got some panels.
We have, uh, about two and ahalf kilowatt hours of, of
energy storage, which is enoughto keep most of the things on
for at least half a day in termsof like our, at least the basic
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stuff, the lights, the fans, thecomputers, the internet routers,
all that.
Um, so it helps, at the veryleast have like a, a backup
battery or two for the reallyimportant systems because if
you've got an internet routerand it's connected to fiber, uh,
for the most part, as long asyou've got power to that, to
that modem that the, that thecompany gives you for your
internet, you should be able toget internet just fine.
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They'll usually have backups orpanels or something.
At their, whatever offices theyhave.
So they typically don't go downor your fiber will be connected
all the way to Guadalajara,where there's a little bit
better infrastructure.
So as long as you keep yourstuff backed up.
Um, but it's important to notethat those power outages can
happen a little more frequently.
I would say like specificallywhere we are, well, where we
are, at least during the rarainy season, the power outages
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happen a little more frequently,but they're not as severe as
they were when they happened in.
Where we were living inGuadalajara, um, they'll usually
like flicker, maybe be down forfive or 10 minutes and then come
back up versus in Chapa Litta,because it was in the city, but
it was an older neighborhood.
Uh, if the power went out, itmight be out a day for hours or
or half a day.
Yeah.
And that only happened once amonth or once every couple
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months.
Especially during the rain orduring the really hot season or
brownouts.
Brownouts, yep.
Yeah.
But you definitely wanna havesome type of, uh, power
stabilization system so theinfrastructure isn't quite the
greatest.
And the roads too.
I would say that the roads here,you don't need a truck or an SUV
necessarily.
We have a Lexus, uh, her name isLexi and she's probably gonna
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have to go back up north whenher permit expires next year.
But she's not the ideal car.
She's been all right.
I've only like hit a couplepotholes and she, you know,
she's managed.
Okay.
Um, but Mexico's been a littlerough for Lexi.
Mexico's been a little roughand, and, and the city was all
right.
I actually think that the roadsin the city were, were, yeah,
were, were better becausethey're a little bit better
maintain when we go traveling.
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Mexico's been a little rough eexactly.
For Lexi.
So, yeah, you may want toconsider having a, a little bit
higher of a car, at least anSUV.
It's not that you need a four byfour necessarily, but you do
have those tope, which are likethe speed bumps that, that are
very, there's nostandardization, so they might
vary anywhere from, you know, a,a couple of those, like a row of
those sort of metal.
Little things that are, that arecoming up, the little dots all
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the way to this like concretepillar that's, that's there to
slow down traffic.
But if, if you're a little toolow to the ground, you might be
scraping and there's no signsfor these things.
There's no signs for a lot of'em.
There's no signs for a lot of'em.
Yeah.
A lot of, I would say themajority of people do have
higher, higher cars, um, versusLexus.
That's great.
For American freeways, Idefinitely recommend trucker.
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SUV for Mexico.
Yeah, for sure.
Especially if you're out in themore rural areas, which is
another con of this area is youmight actually need a car.
Depending on where you are.
Like if you're an Ahi, Centro,or Centro, you're not really
gonna need a car.
HoCo, Centro, you can just walkto everything.
But if you're up on themountains like a lot of people
are, um, or maybe you're morelike lakeside on the road, then
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you're gonna need a car to getthrough the towns or, or get
what you need.
And again, most people do sayLio, so it's not that big of a
deal.
And there are buses, uh, that gothrough, uh, all the towns and
you can even get buses toGuadalajara.
If you need to.
Uh, but yeah.
Or to the airport.
Or to the airport or things likethat.
But yeah, you might, you mightneed a car.
You're gonna need a car heremore than you would need it,
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like in the middle ofGuadalajara where you've walked
to everything.
Absolutely.
And, and on that note too, likethings are definitely more
spaced out if you are in a, in adowntown, in the chip area.
You can certainly find likerestaurants and, and coffee
shops and things like that.
But, uh, outside of those areas.
You're either gonna gonna walkvery far or bike or, uh, have to
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take a car to, to get to certainthings.
Yeah.
So it's, it's more, I wouldn'teven say it's like that coun
that much country, because thereare still towns pretty much
everywhere.
So at least on this side of thelake, maybe over there where
they have all the farms, it's,it's more spread out.
You don't really havesupermarkets and things like
that.
Yeah.
But where we are, you're usuallyabout a 15 or 20 minute drive at
most from a supermarket.
Um, convenience stores, they'llusually have them like every
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couple miles on the roaddepending on where you are.
Yeah.
So it's, it's not, it's morelike suburbs, like, it's more
like American suburbs, ifanything, in terms of how spaced
out things are.
Um, but with a little bit less,uh, population density.
I just thought of a pro weforgot to mention.
What's that?
Real estate.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we'll end it on this note.
Bonus pro, right?
Real estate.
So if you're interested in realestate, and a lot of you guys
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have been asking us about realestate, so we've been building a
network of real estate agentsall over the country.
And again, we can help you, uh,connect you to them and find the
place that makes the most sensefor you, whether you're moving
down here for investmententrepreneur expat.com/console.
But if you're interested in realestate, this area is, whoa.
I mean, we were talking to ourneighbor yesterday who's, uh,
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from Guadalajara, but did realestate for 25 years in the
United States.
He's been retired for about ayear and now he's our neighbor
and now he's getting back in thegame'cause he's like, I'm
retired but not dead.
He's one of those.
So he is getting back in thegame.
Uh, but he's gonna be doing realestate here in Mexico and he's
like, the opportunity in thisarea.
Of Jalisco is absolutely crazyin terms of what you are able to
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find, bang for your buck, returnon investment.
I know Ahi and Chapala from whatI was researching, although we
feel like that area is a bitoversaturated at this point and
the prices have gone a lothigher.
I was reading you could stillget like a.
Alia, what is that in English?
Appreciation.
Appreciation, yeah.
Of like eight to 10% a year.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, in that area.
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Uh, but there's other areas ofthe lake that are prime for real
estate investment.
So if that's something thatyou're interested in, there's
definitely a lot of moreopportunity, uh, in this area
than perhaps some other parts ofMexico, depending on where you
are on the lake.
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