July 26, 2022 • 37 mins
Ghislaine Maxwell is off to a Florida jail. The celebrity lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, wants to depose Epstein client Les Wexner for the civil case brought against him by survivor Virginia Giuffre.
And why did the Maxwell matriarch Betty Maxwell say she was broke and needed a pension when she owned property throughout France? Lisa has been looking into her property portfolio and it's surprising.
Dershowitz’s also saying he’s been cancelled in Martha’s Vineyard. Again. Plus he claims someone was beaten up for reading his new book.
Jen also has a disturbing story about Dershowitz on the beach. It has something to do with Eleanor Roosevelt. Or maybe not….
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And why did the Maxwell matriarch Betty Maxwell say she was broke and needed a pension when she owned property throughout France? Lisa has been looking into her property portfolio and it's surprising.
Dershowitz’s also saying he’s been cancelled in Martha’s Vineyard. Again. Plus he claims someone was beaten up for reading his new book.
Jen also has a disturbing story about Dershowitz on the beach. It has something to do with Eleanor Roosevelt. Or maybe not….
Please, please review us on iTunes. It helps people know about the podcast and this case.
Keep up to date with the latest twists and turns in this Epstein investigation with The Prince and the Pervert Podcast. https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/ [https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/]
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A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jeffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert Podcast. Journalists Lisa and Jan
bring you the ultimate deep dive.Hello, and welcome to The Prince and
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the Pervert Podcast. My name isLisa Tate and I'm Jen Tarrant. There's
lots of news around, isn't there. Gin Well, I'm fine, Lisa,
but I'm not sure Gallaine Maxwell orher family will be. After news
broke that she's going to Florida.I've also got a heap of Alan Dershowitz
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and the civil case that he's fightingagainst Virginia du Frey. She slapped him
with a defamation suit in April twentynineteen. He faffed around and then countersued
her. But more on that later. So back down to Florida. Galaine
Maxwell thought she was going to endup in Danbury in Connecticut, and that's
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where her legal team and her familywanted her place. That's the same facility
that Teresa Judais from the Real Housewivesof New Jersey was at. It's known
as a bit of a picnic comparedto some jails. But no, she's
been sent off to Tallahassee in Florida. It's apparently about a five hour drive
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from Palm Beach, you know,where she was involved in setting up massages
and recruiting young girls for Epstein.What will the chances be that one of
Epstein and her survivors will have friendsin that facility, or as we know
what trauma can do to young people, there may be some survivors in that
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facility. It's a bit of ashock, that's for sure. On the
Department of Prison's website, if yousearch for Galaide Maxwell, she comes up
with a registered number two eight sevennine DASH five O nine age sixty race,
white sex female, release date sevenseventeen, two thousand and thirty seven,
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which is the seventeenth of July twothousand and thirty seven, located at
FCI Talahassee. And as we're recordingthis, still no word from the family
Twitter account Real Gallaine protesting about thismove because at least a Danbury the Jubians
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were about an hour or so downthe road. That's Glen and Ava Juban.
Ava was Epstein's former girlfriend, aMiss Sweden Taboot and Glenn was a
hedge fund owner who married Ava,and of course Jeffrey was known as Uncle
Jeffrey and he was also the fatherof their three children. We spoke about
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the elder Selena in a recent episodeand how CDs were discovered in the FBI
raid on Epstein's New York townhouse andthose CDs were labeled Selena a v show.
Jen, Let's go on a tripto France, Ula La We I
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want to talk about Gallaine's mother,Betty Maxwell, otherwise known as Elizabeth Maynard.
That was her maiden name. Aroundthe time of the bankruptcy, Betty
was very clear in saying she hadno money. She told the journalist Edward
Klein in nineteen ninety two, theysay, I have five hundred thousand dollars.
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Those are lies. I haven't anything. But yet around that time she
managed to give Ian Maxwell, herson, five hundred thousand pounds four creditors,
and she raised nine hundred thousand poundsfour. Kevin and Ian's her sons
their legals once they were charged inrelation to the pension fraud, but they
were found not guilty. That's aninsane amount of money for a woman who
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claims not to have anything, yes, and says she needs a pension fund.
Yes, so she said, Iam in great financial difficulty. They've
stopped my pension from the Mirror Groupnewspapers. The only person who has actually
lost her pension is me. Allthe others have continued to be paid.
My husband's will is impounded. Ihaven't salted away anything because I never,
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for a minute believed that he'd leaveme destitute. They say I have that
five hundred thousand. It wasn't myway of spiriting things away anyway. I
don't have access to funds. Iwas never involved in Bob's business. That's
from the Sunday Times nineteen ninety two. Jen Quite often in relation to Gallaine,
when she first moved to New York, people say that she had a
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pension that her father had set upfor her out of Lichtenstein. So that
was the one hundred thousand pound trustfund that she had, Yes, that's
the one that she had. Now, all that money came out of Lichtenstein.
And a journalist here who is fromthe Times of London, and it
was after Betty had put out herautobiography in nineteen ninety four. Quote the
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journalist says only once in our longinterview, during which she submits to questions
about Lichtenstein funds. Quote, thisis Betty. There have been hundreds of
administrators looking through everything with a magnifyingglass. Don't you think they would have
found it if it existed? Andher French chateau jen Now she later spends
her life in the French chateau.She said to the journalists, don't be
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absurd, of course it's not achateau. And the precise nature of the
debts which forced her to write thebook, And whether she will donate any
royalties to the pensioners if it sellslike the Bible, Yes, that's a
no. Personally, I can donothing because I have no money myself.
Someone printed that I'm one of therichest women in England. If that was
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true, would I approve an optionof all my personal belongings jewelry dishes everything
and just stand aside helplessly. Everythingis going to the creditors. I need
to find a job to support myself, otherwise what would I eat? And
yet she had a home, Shehad quite a few. For a while,
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Robert Maxwell's will was impounded. TheFinancial Time's got a copy of it
in June nineteen ninety two, andit says I give devise and bequeath my
wife, Elizabeth Maxwell, or myright title and interest, and to the
three apartments located in France, whichboth she and I have an interest.
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Okay, so we've got the chateauand three apartments. Well there's actually two
chateaus as well, and then there'sthe boys apartment. So two chateaus,
three apartments and the boys apartment.Yes, so does the family still own
them? That's the question, Lisa, what do you know? It is
very complicated, and I have somespies who live in France who were trying
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to work that out for me.The Guardian in December nineteen ninety one it
said receivers were set to cast eyeover Maxwell's luxury chateau, but proving ownership
in France can be difficult. TheObserver follows nineteen ninety six. It's interesting
the figures that are put on thefraud that Robert Maxwell did this one say
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four million quote a hidden pot ofgold spirited away into secret Swiss bank accounts,
and the Nordex group had some relationshipswith people in Russia and Ian and
Kevin in this article from January nineteenninety six were mentioned in relation to that,
although we must say they have beenfound not guilty, in no case
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to answer when it comes to thisfraud. So we come back to the
Sunday Times. And you know Betty'sso has such a big heart. She
was letting her belongings be auctioned off. Well, the auction was scrapped after
she insisted that the furniture and objetsde art were all her personal property.
So again out of bounds. Butshe's destitute, yes, and this is
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how she was living in Paddington Hall, which was the Maxwell base in Oxford
for many many years. She hadto let go of two maids the shame,
and Betty was the only one livingthere at the time as far as
I know, So why would sheneed all these maids dust? But she
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was able to keep the Filipino cookand the housekeeper. She said when she
was releasing her book in nineteen ninetyfour, while at the Plaza Hotel,
she had nowhere to go. Sothat's despite having two chateaus, three Paris
apartments, and the Sun's owned aapartment near one of the chateaus. Yes,
and also the Duke of Westminster wasallowing her to live in his four
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bedroom apartment in the center of London, so she had nowhere to go.
No, honestly, Jen, myheart bleeds. But you're still having trouble
finding out whether any of these residencesor chateaus or apartments are still in the
family name. We're trying to becauseshe could have had a will that we
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know nothing about. Obviously she hada will, but finding it. Where
has this property and the proceeds fromthe sales of these properties gone? She
had one property in her maiden name, the one that she claimed wasn't a
chateau. It looks like a chateauto me. I think there are two
turrets. Now, that's a goodexplanation. When you hear turrets means something's
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going on, some kind of fancifulconstruction. How many rooms. I know
that there's four bedrooms, but it'sgot massive grounds, a swimming wool,
a full driveway, absolutely manicured outdoorareas. It's better than anything I've stayed
in. And it goes through aboutsix thousand euro a night. Now,
uh huh. I think that weshould like rent it out. Maybe that's
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the only way we'll find out who'slooking after the property. Well, Headington
Hill Hall might be cheaper at Oxford. So the place with the turrets is
known around town as the freyer toManor. It's fat et. So I
take it you don't have an ideaof how much this whole slew of property
is was valued. No. Oneof Betty's daughters, Isabelle, was in
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a relationship with al Seckel. Hewas a magician, sash fraudstar who came
to a very sad end off acliff in France. They lived in another
property that's linked to Betty's family onher maidens side. So it's called the
Castle of La Mala Tree. AndI can see at least five turrets in
the picture. I'll put these allon Jeffrey Epstein podcast dot com. So
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that was also held by the family, Yes, on her family side,
so the mainards side. Yes.So it's quite amazed, Jen, but
we're going to be looking into it. And now I went back to Betty's
book, and it is important tounderstand what happened at the time of Robert
Maxwell's death. So who helped her? Quote this is page five twenty nine
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from a mind of my own.That's the name of the biography. I
was however, received compassionately by manyothers, in particular by an American businessman
who'd gotten to know Bob during hisbrief ownership of The New York Daily News
and admired his support for Israel.Well, Jin, what do you think
of that? Who's the businessman?I'm going to come out on allege here.
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I'm going to say I think it'sLes Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein's only client,
allegedly and the owner of Torria's Secret. But Betty doesn't state the name
of the man, does she.No, she doesn't. That's just a
Lisa take guess. It's a veryinteresting guess. Now. Upon Maxwell's death,
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Glaine's brother Kevin flew by concord toNew York, paid for by an
unidentified donor to help organize a rescuepackage for the New York Daily News.
That is interesting. No one's everbeen able to find out who that donor
was. No, unless it wasJeffrey Epstein allegedly, I don't know.
Now. Despite the family constantly sayingthat Golaine met Epstein after her father's death,
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we know from court tabled documents thatshe was on a test flight with
Epstein in the April of nineteen ninetyone. Bob died in November nineteen ninety
one. There was also an Americancompany was called pH In Brackett's US,
Inc. And it was found tohave been paid Kevin Maxwell and to have
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been a route through which millions ofpounds of assets from the Maxwell empire have
been passed. Who is pH JenNo idea. It could stand for a
name, or it could stand foranother company. So a lot of these
trusts and charity things probably don't existanymore, which makes it harder to try
and track all this money. Ohyes, something will come up. This
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is my new hobby gen Some peopledo arts and crafts. I try to
find money. So we don't knowif anything the Maxwell family still owns in
France, but we're looking into whatwe can find, and if anyone has
any expertise in this area, pleasecontact us. It'd be interesting to know
how much all that property was valuedat at the time of Robert's death.
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Yes, and she wanted a pension. Yes, it didn't get a much
popularity though she lived in another world. Absolutely, but then again, we've
seen Gallaine and her siblings act well. I think if anything, because as
I said, you're not accusing anyoneof anything money laundering or whatever, but
of anything, we can get anidea of how they approach problems, what
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their rhetoric is, and it's usuallylies, lies, lies, and it
also shows what they consider to bepoverty, completely different to the rest of
the world. I think it's interestingthat Galline's pension money it came to her
via Lichtenstein, but that's probably anopportunity that we will never be able to
find out. Now a lot ofthis has been gone, a lot of
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the records. I remember reading articlesfrom around that time, and it kept
mentioning that trust fund the hundred thousandpounds and how it was so little to
live on in New York at thetime. I'm sorry, but that was
ridiculous. Now there've been a coupleof excellent articles about the family's alleged links
to a trust called lahog as well. That's more recent, and that trust
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paid out to Betty Maxwell in theearly two thousands, and that's the papers
that were recently found in the JerseyIsland squash court. Yes, it is
well, Betty owned quite a bitof property. She did. Poor Betty.
I wonder where it's gone or whocontrols it now. She has a
lot of family on her side again, so there are some nephews, some
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grand nephews. What a family.And I found their names in the Epstein
Black Book to the cousins, ofcourse, yeah, because we all know
that book was based on Gallaine Maxwell'sphone book. Epstein really wouldn't have wanted
those numbers or a list of Bob'sfavorite restaurants in New York exactly. In
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the latest news, in the Guffrev. Dershowitz case, which is for
libel and slander, it seems thatAlan Dershowitz now has to hand over his
tax returns. There was a phonein conference a few days ago and he
was told got to hand them overnow. Regular listeners would know that we've
been talking about dersh and his taxreturns for months. He dropped the part
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of the suit where he wanted economicdamages, stating because he dropped that he
didn't need to show his tax returns. He also used his wife as an
excuse, saying that she didn't wanttheir joint filings shown in court. Well,
Judge Loretta Presca said no, hemust hand them over now. What's
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going to be interesting about that isto see how much income flowed from Jeffrey
Epstein into Alan Dershowitz's various bank accounts. The fact he fought so hard to
keep them out races quite a feweyebrows now. Dersh also hit the news
this week. We always call himthe world's most famous naked volleyballer, but
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other people are picked up on thisas well, and there was a fantastic
thread tweets by Craig Unger, whois the best selling author of five books
on the GOP War on Democracy anda Vanity Fair contributor for about fifteen years.
He wrote Okay. In the nineties, I was an editor of a
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Boston magazine and we ran a guideto Martha's Vineyard, including nude Beach's bavide
by local celebs such as one Alandersh. As soon as it appeared,
I got an angry call from drsuWitch shouting at me that we have to
attract it because he had never beento a nude beach in his life.
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For a moment, I was genuinelyupset. I don't like to make mistakes
and didn't realize that Dersh doesn't alwaystell the truth. I said I would
look into and went to the reporterwho wrote the story, ready to chew
her out if she had heard.But before I could finish, she reached
in her desk and got out ofphoto to show me that had images that
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has been seared into my brains alasfor more than twenty years. The nude
man in the photo had some lotionor something on his genitalia, but other
than that looked exactly and that's inccaps like Dersh. So I called dersh
back again. He yelled and screamedand said it couldn't possibly be him.
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Back to the reporter this time,I asked if she could identify the woman
next to the dersch clone. Iwas told the woman was Caroline Cohen aka
missus Alan Dershwitz. In the end, no retraction, and dersh has become
a vocal proponent of nude beaches.And as for the image itself, so
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that was a lovely thread about thefact that dersh put zinc cream or sunscreen
on his todger. But it's beenknown for a long time that Alan loved
his nude volleyball. There's a Newsmaxpiece from December two thousand and one,
and it's titled Alan Dershevitz, Ienjoy getting naked at nude Beach button Down.
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Harvard Law professor Alan Dershevitz admitted Saturdaythat he enjoys getting naked at a
clothing optional beach on Martha's Vineyard,and defended his sandy frolics by claiming that
Eleanor Roosevelt used to do the samething. The bizarre confession came as WABC
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radios Richard Bay interviewed Peter Simon abouthis new book I and I Pictures of
My Generation, about how the nineteensixties changed American culture. Dershevitz, apparently
a friend of Simon, phoned into talk about the book. Dershevitz,
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you know, when I started teachingHarvard Law in nineteen sixty four, it
was a crime for anybody to faunicate, that is, to have sex with
someone with whom you are not married. That was a crime in Massachusetts.
Even the extreme right, with afew exceptions, have accepted the notion that
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sex is not the government's business.Richard Bay except that now foraunication has become
a form of entertainment. Simon,Alan, let's bring it back home.
You and I both go to thiswonderful nude beach on Martha's vineyard that never
would have happened without the sixties.By Alan, I've got to tell you
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something. With the listening audience hereat ABC, they are now screaming and
pulling their hair out at the thoughtof Alan Dershevitz running on the beach.
Dershevitz laughing nervously. Ah, I'vebeen Nobody is required to imagine that phenomenon,
Bay, Thank you, Simon.Don't you think Allan that the popularization
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of that sort of intimacy in akind of public way was an effect of
the sixties? Derschewitz, No,I don't, actually, because I think
you know, Eleanor Roosevelt used torun naked on that nude beach, Simon.
But it wasn't a movement. Bay. That's another thing I'd rather not
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ponder, Dershowitz. I don't seethat as a movement. I see that
as just a personal You know,people, there are a lot of beaches,
there's a lot of privacy. Peopledo what they want. Skinny dipping
is as popular among conservatives as itis liberals. Bracket's end of excerpt.
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So that's the transcript of when Dershjoined his mate Simon the author on WABC
radio. Whether or not he's actuallyplaying volleyball naked, we're not sure,
but he has definitely omitted to runningon the beach, and we do know
he likes the game of volleyball,so of course we always stick them together.
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Now, I spoke about that pretrial conference that Dersh and Virginia had
the other day. Now, anotherthing that they were told to work out
was a timeline of when this casewould be heard. Originally that was going
to be held in fall this year, and for those of us like Australians
and those in the UK, thatmeans around September, but no it's been
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pushed back now to March twenty twentythree. Both parties have agreed that Discovery
will close on November thirty this year, and Expert Discovery closing on February fifteenth.
Expert Discovery is the expert witnesses thatcome in. Plaintiff understands the court
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had previously indicated a design to havea trial the fall of this year,
but neither party now believes that ispossible and indeed, we believe a March
trial is optimistic and aggressive for thefollowing reasons. Now, I'm reading from
document four ninety nine on that casedocket first and foremost, and there is
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the next couple of paragraphs completely redacted. Now, several times Dersh has mentioned,
or the lawyers have mentioned, thathis state of health isn't that great.
I don't know. Perhaps this redactionrefers to medical treatment that Dersh has
organized for later in this year.Maybe by September it will be over.
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But he may still be recovering thosepesky redactions. We don't know what's behind
them. Back to the document.Second, the parties have agreed to resume
plaintiff's deposition via zoom from Australia onJuly twenty six, and have agreed that
defendants deposition will be taken on Augustthirty and thirty one in Boston. Third,
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given that the defender Dersche, plansto take nine depositions in addition to
the ten depositions he has taken thusfar, additional time for the fact an
expert discovery is necessary. Both partieshave indicated they want to depose each of
the individuals identified as anticipated fact witnessesby the other party to the extent those
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depositions have not already occur. Basedon the currently anticipated list of fact witnesses
for plaintiff, this means we willbe taking five depositions in addition to the
one deposition that we have taken thusfar, including the deposition of the defendant.
For defendant, this means defense counselwill be taking seven additional depositions,
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including finishing the deposition of the plaintiff. In addition, Defense this is Dersh
has indicated they intend to depose threeadditional individuals, na O and Virginia's mother
and father. Plaintiff anticipates subjecting tothose depositions, but will address the issue
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with a court when and if thosedepositions are in fact noticed. Fourth,
it appears there will be extensive expertdiscovery. Plaintiff has identified three affirmative expert
witnesses and may add others if defendantcontinues to claim physical, emotional, and
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mental damages. Remember the defendant hereis Dersh. We currently anticipate submitting expert
testimony from an expert on sex trafficking, a forensic psychologist, and an expert
on the dissemination of dedans defamatory statementsover the Internet as noted above. However,
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this list could expand depending on whatclaims of the defendant remain in the
case. Defendant has identified five potentialexpert witnesses or at least topics. This
expert discovery will require at a minimumtwo psychiatric evaluations a plaintiff, one from
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plaintiff's expert and one from defendant's expert, and defendant has indicated an intention to
seek a physical evaluation of plaintiff aswell, which plaintiff anticipates objecting to,
but in either case will require timeto resolve the objection and or schedule.
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With respect to the plaintiff's currently anticipatedlist of fact witnesses, we have identified
the following individuals we plan to callin person a trial. One Virginia Dufray
two David Boys three, Sigram McAuleyfour Edwards five, Paul Castle, six,
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David Stone seven, Anuska Di Giorgioand apologies if any of those names
are read out incorrectly. In addition, we currently anticipate submitting recorded deposition testimony
from a number of witnesses. Nowthat short list of people that Virginia's team
is going to depose include a lotof lawyers, David Boys, Sigram McCauley,
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Brad Edwards, Paul Castle, andDavid Stone or lawyers. Now,
David Stone is an attorney who isalso tied up with David Boys. And
in two thousand and fifteen it wasvia David Stone that Dursh tried to reach
out to boys, and of courseDrsh doesn't like boys. In a New
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York magazine feature, he said,a boys, He's not a lawyer,
he's an extortionist. Now, thelast name on that list is Annushka,
who was Jeffrey Epstein's first British victim, and she spoke out at his New
York hearing. But who is dershlooking at bringing to depose? Well,
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Document four ninety eight gives us abit of a rundown so far, Professor
Dershowitz. Currently anticipated fact witnesses includehimself, Virginia Dufre, Caroline Cohen,
Jim Buckham, Sharon Churcher. Nowshe was the journalist that broke the story
about Virginia and Prince Andrew. JohnZiska, Leslie Wexner, that's right,
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owner of l Brand's Victoria's Secret,the man who gave Epstein that New York
apartment and sold him a plane verycheaply. Rebecca Boylan, Michael Spalholtz,
Juana Lesie. That's right. Thebutler Anthony Figarola Crystal Figarola now Anthony or
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Tony as he's also known, wasVirginia's ex boyfriend. She was seeing him
at the time that she was withEpstein and palm Beach. Also on Dershowitz's
list is na O, an artistwho has admitted to recruiting women for Epstein,
who also claims that she is avictim. Caroline Andreano, who was
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Caroline Minor, victim four in therecent Galaine Maxwell criminal trial, Rabbi Zev
Boyarski and Lisa Scarabino. Rabbi Boyarskiwas praised by President Trump, according to
The New York Times, for hisleadership in generating support among lawmakers, judges,
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prosecutors, and Jewish groups for thecriminal Justice Reform legislation. Rabbi Boyarski
worked with Dersh on a number ofclemency petitions during the administration. In addition,
Dersh reserves the right to reserves theright to call any witness identified by
plaintiff rebuttal witnesses and custodian witnesses tothe extent necessary, as well as additional
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witnesses based upon discovery yet to beconducted, as well to the extent necessary
to preserve his rights. Dersh willseek to present testimony from Sarah Ransom,
Maria Farmer, and from other menwho plaintiff has alled she was traffic to
who have denied her allegation, andfrom whom the court has denied. Professor
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Dersha whit's the opportunity to take discoveryor offer evidence. I wonder who he
could mean? Part two. Dershis currently anticipated expert witnesses. Dersh presently
intends to offer expert witnesses to testifyon the topics listed below. Each is
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possible that more than one of thesesubjects will be addressed by the same expert.
One mental health experts forensic psychiatrist andor forensic psychologist regarding plaintiffs claimed adverse
mental health effects. Two medical expertregarding plaintiff's claimed adverse physical health effects.
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Three medical expert regarding defendants physical andrelated damages, four expert regarding memory,
and five expert regarding reputational damages.Dershowitz reserves the right to disclose rebuttal experts
in response to each a plaintiff's experts, and to disclose experts in additional categories
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based on remaining fact discovery. Now. Dersha's inclusion of reputational damages is interesting
because less than a week ago TheNew Yorker ran a story that was headlined
Alan Dershowitz canceled in Martha's Vineyard,and I'll just read a few paths from
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it. Alan Dershevitz became one ofthe most famous lawyers in America by representing
high profile clients such as Jeffrey Epstein, Mike Tyson, and O. J.
Simpson, and ameshing himself in politicaldebates on the subjects such as torture
and the Israeli occupation brackets. Hehas defended both clothes brackets. In recent
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years, however, his career hastaken even more controversial turns, notably his
public campaign against the Mueller investigation andhis decision to join President Trump's legal team.
In two thousand and nineteen, ConnieBruck profiled Derschewitz for The New Yorker
and looked into allegations that he hadsexually abused Virginia du Frey, who was
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trafficked by Epsteinckets. Dersh denies theallegations. Dersh has had lately been going
on television and Twitter to discuss cancelculture, specifically how he has been shunned
on Martha's Vineyard, his long timesummer getaway. He even released the text
of what he said was an emailfrom someone who had been beaten up on
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the beach for reading one of hisbooks. I recently spoke by phone with
Dershowitz, an Arematis, Professor atLaw at Harvard An author of the new
book The Price of Principle, WhyIntegrity Is Worth the Consequences. It was
released last week and happens to beabout the very subject of the email he
received, cancel culture and unwillingness tohear differing opinions. He describes the book
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as the story of my cancelation.During our conversation, which has been edited
for lengthen clarity, we discussed whathas happened to his social life since he
defended Donald Trump, his falling outwith Larry David, and why he compared
the January sixth Committee to Macarthurism.Now the new Yorker. Piece was written
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by Isaac Schottener and it was publishedon July nineteenth. Go and have a
read. It's a really good read. So we'll keep you up to date
when things move on the docket.But how about that Dersh is going to
depose Wexner or he wishes to deposeLes Wexner. That's all we have for
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this episode. But there is alot happening. There's questions in the Virgin
Islands about where all of the lllcsand the trusts of Epstein rolled into his
estate, because the Butterfly Trust doesn'tseem to be part of that. And
as many of you may remember,the Butterfly Trust seemed to be the vehicle
through which the European, the Russian, the Eastern Bloc women were paid.
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Now that Butterfly Trust, that wasthe trust employees used to withdraw the maximum
cash him out almost every day.The bank went, hey, what's going
on here? And that's what ledto Epstein going off to the Virgin Islands
and starting his own bank. Unfortunately, when we tried to set up our
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own bank, we were not back, weren't we. That was so rude.
I wanted to get my cat abank in the US Virgin Islands and
they didn't even reply. Maybe weshould have put down that we were into
DNA research like Epstein did when heapplied. Absolutely Jen, So we'll be
back later with more. There's somuch coming out at the moment, especially
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on that dirsh docket. So youcan find us on social media. We
have a Facebook group, Instagram,TikTok, YouTube, and you can find
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our work, We're on patreon itand there is a link in the show
notes. So we're going to bringin now the most offensive into Earn in
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the Southern hemisphere, Gistain. Sostay safe everyone, Bye bye. So
hello everyone. I can just seeit now, the headlines about me Florida
woman constantly. Now I'm going tobe leaving this laundry, I hope,
and heading off to sunny Florida.Anyway, I'm here to say thank you
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or no thank you to a fewpeople because they've been helping these bitches out.
So no thanks to teen and Verity. I don't like you, and
stop trying to find out what happenedto all my mother's properties. You don't
need to know. There's nothing tosee there. It wasn't a castle,
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it wasn't a manner, it wasnot a chateau. It's just a little
turret with an earth floor. Anyway, as always, bug you Hi,
it's Lisa here. Do you wantto help us produce The Princes the Pervert
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At the end of the day.This is a labor of love and
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of the Patreon account are in theshow notes. Thank you,
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jeffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert Podcast. Journalists Lisa and Jan
bring you the ultimate deep dive.Hello, and welcome to The Prince and
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the Pervert Podcast. My name isLisa Tate and I'm Jen Tarrant. There's
lots of news around, isn't there. Gin Well, I'm fine, Lisa,
but I'm not sure Gallaine Maxwell orher family will be. After news
broke that she's going to Florida.I've also got a heap of Alan Dershowitz
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and the civil case that he's fightingagainst Virginia du Frey. She slapped him
with a defamation suit in April twentynineteen. He faffed around and then countersued
her. But more on that later. So back down to Florida. Galaine
Maxwell thought she was going to endup in Danbury in Connecticut, and that's
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where her legal team and her familywanted her place. That's the same facility
that Teresa Judais from the Real Housewivesof New Jersey was at. It's known
as a bit of a picnic comparedto some jails. But no, she's
been sent off to Tallahassee in Florida. It's apparently about a five hour drive
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from Palm Beach, you know,where she was involved in setting up massages
and recruiting young girls for Epstein.What will the chances be that one of
Epstein and her survivors will have friendsin that facility, or as we know
what trauma can do to young people, there may be some survivors in that
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facility. It's a bit of ashock, that's for sure. On the
Department of Prison's website, if yousearch for Galaide Maxwell, she comes up
with a registered number two eight sevennine DASH five O nine age sixty race,
white sex female, release date sevenseventeen, two thousand and thirty seven,
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which is the seventeenth of July twothousand and thirty seven, located at
FCI Talahassee. And as we're recordingthis, still no word from the family
Twitter account Real Gallaine protesting about thismove because at least a Danbury the Jubians
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were about an hour or so downthe road. That's Glen and Ava Juban.
Ava was Epstein's former girlfriend, aMiss Sweden Taboot and Glenn was a
hedge fund owner who married Ava,and of course Jeffrey was known as Uncle
Jeffrey and he was also the fatherof their three children. We spoke about
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the elder Selena in a recent episodeand how CDs were discovered in the FBI
raid on Epstein's New York townhouse andthose CDs were labeled Selena a v show.
Jen, Let's go on a tripto France, Ula La We I
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want to talk about Gallaine's mother,Betty Maxwell, otherwise known as Elizabeth Maynard.
That was her maiden name. Aroundthe time of the bankruptcy, Betty
was very clear in saying she hadno money. She told the journalist Edward
Klein in nineteen ninety two, theysay, I have five hundred thousand dollars.
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Those are lies. I haven't anything. But yet around that time she
managed to give Ian Maxwell, herson, five hundred thousand pounds four creditors,
and she raised nine hundred thousand poundsfour. Kevin and Ian's her sons
their legals once they were charged inrelation to the pension fraud, but they
were found not guilty. That's aninsane amount of money for a woman who
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claims not to have anything, yes, and says she needs a pension fund.
Yes, so she said, Iam in great financial difficulty. They've
stopped my pension from the Mirror Groupnewspapers. The only person who has actually
lost her pension is me. Allthe others have continued to be paid.
My husband's will is impounded. Ihaven't salted away anything because I never,
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for a minute believed that he'd leaveme destitute. They say I have that
five hundred thousand. It wasn't myway of spiriting things away anyway. I
don't have access to funds. Iwas never involved in Bob's business. That's
from the Sunday Times nineteen ninety two. Jen Quite often in relation to Gallaine,
when she first moved to New York, people say that she had a
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pension that her father had set upfor her out of Lichtenstein. So that
was the one hundred thousand pound trustfund that she had, Yes, that's
the one that she had. Now, all that money came out of Lichtenstein.
And a journalist here who is fromthe Times of London, and it
was after Betty had put out herautobiography in nineteen ninety four. Quote the
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journalist says only once in our longinterview, during which she submits to questions
about Lichtenstein funds. Quote, thisis Betty. There have been hundreds of
administrators looking through everything with a magnifyingglass. Don't you think they would have
found it if it existed? Andher French chateau jen Now she later spends
her life in the French chateau.She said to the journalists, don't be
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absurd, of course it's not achateau. And the precise nature of the
debts which forced her to write thebook, And whether she will donate any
royalties to the pensioners if it sellslike the Bible, Yes, that's a
no. Personally, I can donothing because I have no money myself.
Someone printed that I'm one of therichest women in England. If that was
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true, would I approve an optionof all my personal belongings jewelry dishes everything
and just stand aside helplessly. Everythingis going to the creditors. I need
to find a job to support myself, otherwise what would I eat? And
yet she had a home, Shehad quite a few. For a while,
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Robert Maxwell's will was impounded. TheFinancial Time's got a copy of it
in June nineteen ninety two, andit says I give devise and bequeath my
wife, Elizabeth Maxwell, or myright title and interest, and to the
three apartments located in France, whichboth she and I have an interest.
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Okay, so we've got the chateauand three apartments. Well there's actually two
chateaus as well, and then there'sthe boys apartment. So two chateaus,
three apartments and the boys apartment.Yes, so does the family still own
them? That's the question, Lisa, what do you know? It is
very complicated, and I have somespies who live in France who were trying
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to work that out for me.The Guardian in December nineteen ninety one it
said receivers were set to cast eyeover Maxwell's luxury chateau, but proving ownership
in France can be difficult. TheObserver follows nineteen ninety six. It's interesting
the figures that are put on thefraud that Robert Maxwell did this one say
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four million quote a hidden pot ofgold spirited away into secret Swiss bank accounts,
and the Nordex group had some relationshipswith people in Russia and Ian and
Kevin in this article from January nineteenninety six were mentioned in relation to that,
although we must say they have beenfound not guilty, in no case
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to answer when it comes to thisfraud. So we come back to the
Sunday Times. And you know Betty'sso has such a big heart. She
was letting her belongings be auctioned off. Well, the auction was scrapped after
she insisted that the furniture and objetsde art were all her personal property.
So again out of bounds. Butshe's destitute, yes, and this is
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how she was living in Paddington Hall, which was the Maxwell base in Oxford
for many many years. She hadto let go of two maids the shame,
and Betty was the only one livingthere at the time as far as
I know, So why would sheneed all these maids dust? But she
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was able to keep the Filipino cookand the housekeeper. She said when she
was releasing her book in nineteen ninetyfour, while at the Plaza Hotel,
she had nowhere to go. Sothat's despite having two chateaus, three Paris
apartments, and the Sun's owned aapartment near one of the chateaus. Yes,
and also the Duke of Westminster wasallowing her to live in his four
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bedroom apartment in the center of London, so she had nowhere to go.
No, honestly, Jen, myheart bleeds. But you're still having trouble
finding out whether any of these residencesor chateaus or apartments are still in the
family name. We're trying to becauseshe could have had a will that we
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know nothing about. Obviously she hada will, but finding it. Where
has this property and the proceeds fromthe sales of these properties gone? She
had one property in her maiden name, the one that she claimed wasn't a
chateau. It looks like a chateauto me. I think there are two
turrets. Now, that's a goodexplanation. When you hear turrets means something's
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going on, some kind of fancifulconstruction. How many rooms. I know
that there's four bedrooms, but it'sgot massive grounds, a swimming wool,
a full driveway, absolutely manicured outdoorareas. It's better than anything I've stayed
in. And it goes through aboutsix thousand euro a night. Now,
uh huh. I think that weshould like rent it out. Maybe that's
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the only way we'll find out who'slooking after the property. Well, Headington
Hill Hall might be cheaper at Oxford. So the place with the turrets is
known around town as the freyer toManor. It's fat et. So I
take it you don't have an ideaof how much this whole slew of property
is was valued. No. Oneof Betty's daughters, Isabelle, was in
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a relationship with al Seckel. Hewas a magician, sash fraudstar who came
to a very sad end off acliff in France. They lived in another
property that's linked to Betty's family onher maidens side. So it's called the
Castle of La Mala Tree. AndI can see at least five turrets in
the picture. I'll put these allon Jeffrey Epstein podcast dot com. So
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that was also held by the family, Yes, on her family side,
so the mainards side. Yes.So it's quite amazed, Jen, but
we're going to be looking into it. And now I went back to Betty's
book, and it is important tounderstand what happened at the time of Robert
Maxwell's death. So who helped her? Quote this is page five twenty nine
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from a mind of my own.That's the name of the biography. I
was however, received compassionately by manyothers, in particular by an American businessman
who'd gotten to know Bob during hisbrief ownership of The New York Daily News
and admired his support for Israel.Well, Jin, what do you think
of that? Who's the businessman?I'm going to come out on allege here.
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I'm going to say I think it'sLes Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein's only client,
allegedly and the owner of Torria's Secret. But Betty doesn't state the name
of the man, does she.No, she doesn't. That's just a
Lisa take guess. It's a veryinteresting guess. Now. Upon Maxwell's death,
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Glaine's brother Kevin flew by concord toNew York, paid for by an
unidentified donor to help organize a rescuepackage for the New York Daily News.
That is interesting. No one's everbeen able to find out who that donor
was. No, unless it wasJeffrey Epstein allegedly, I don't know.
Now. Despite the family constantly sayingthat Golaine met Epstein after her father's death,
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we know from court tabled documents thatshe was on a test flight with
Epstein in the April of nineteen ninetyone. Bob died in November nineteen ninety
one. There was also an Americancompany was called pH In Brackett's US,
Inc. And it was found tohave been paid Kevin Maxwell and to have
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been a route through which millions ofpounds of assets from the Maxwell empire have
been passed. Who is pH JenNo idea. It could stand for a
name, or it could stand foranother company. So a lot of these
trusts and charity things probably don't existanymore, which makes it harder to try
and track all this money. Ohyes, something will come up. This
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is my new hobby gen Some peopledo arts and crafts. I try to
find money. So we don't knowif anything the Maxwell family still owns in
France, but we're looking into whatwe can find, and if anyone has
any expertise in this area, pleasecontact us. It'd be interesting to know
how much all that property was valuedat at the time of Robert's death.
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Yes, and she wanted a pension. Yes, it didn't get a much
popularity though she lived in another world. Absolutely, but then again, we've
seen Gallaine and her siblings act well. I think if anything, because as
I said, you're not accusing anyoneof anything money laundering or whatever, but
of anything, we can get anidea of how they approach problems, what
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their rhetoric is, and it's usuallylies, lies, lies, and it
also shows what they consider to bepoverty, completely different to the rest of
the world. I think it's interestingthat Galline's pension money it came to her
via Lichtenstein, but that's probably anopportunity that we will never be able to
find out. Now a lot ofthis has been gone, a lot of
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the records. I remember reading articlesfrom around that time, and it kept
mentioning that trust fund the hundred thousandpounds and how it was so little to
live on in New York at thetime. I'm sorry, but that was
ridiculous. Now there've been a coupleof excellent articles about the family's alleged links
to a trust called lahog as well. That's more recent, and that trust
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paid out to Betty Maxwell in theearly two thousands, and that's the papers
that were recently found in the JerseyIsland squash court. Yes, it is
well, Betty owned quite a bitof property. She did. Poor Betty.
I wonder where it's gone or whocontrols it now. She has a
lot of family on her side again, so there are some nephews, some
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grand nephews. What a family.And I found their names in the Epstein
Black Book to the cousins, ofcourse, yeah, because we all know
that book was based on Gallaine Maxwell'sphone book. Epstein really wouldn't have wanted
those numbers or a list of Bob'sfavorite restaurants in New York exactly. In
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the latest news, in the Guffrev. Dershowitz case, which is for
libel and slander, it seems thatAlan Dershowitz now has to hand over his
tax returns. There was a phonein conference a few days ago and he
was told got to hand them overnow. Regular listeners would know that we've
been talking about dersh and his taxreturns for months. He dropped the part
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of the suit where he wanted economicdamages, stating because he dropped that he
didn't need to show his tax returns. He also used his wife as an
excuse, saying that she didn't wanttheir joint filings shown in court. Well,
Judge Loretta Presca said no, hemust hand them over now. What's
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going to be interesting about that isto see how much income flowed from Jeffrey
Epstein into Alan Dershowitz's various bank accounts. The fact he fought so hard to
keep them out races quite a feweyebrows now. Dersh also hit the news
this week. We always call himthe world's most famous naked volleyballer, but
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other people are picked up on thisas well, and there was a fantastic
thread tweets by Craig Unger, whois the best selling author of five books
on the GOP War on Democracy anda Vanity Fair contributor for about fifteen years.
He wrote Okay. In the nineties, I was an editor of a
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Boston magazine and we ran a guideto Martha's Vineyard, including nude Beach's bavide
by local celebs such as one Alandersh. As soon as it appeared,
I got an angry call from drsuWitch shouting at me that we have to
attract it because he had never beento a nude beach in his life.
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For a moment, I was genuinelyupset. I don't like to make mistakes
and didn't realize that Dersh doesn't alwaystell the truth. I said I would
look into and went to the reporterwho wrote the story, ready to chew
her out if she had heard.But before I could finish, she reached
in her desk and got out ofphoto to show me that had images that
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has been seared into my brains alasfor more than twenty years. The nude
man in the photo had some lotionor something on his genitalia, but other
than that looked exactly and that's inccaps like Dersh. So I called dersh
back again. He yelled and screamedand said it couldn't possibly be him.
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Back to the reporter this time,I asked if she could identify the woman
next to the dersch clone. Iwas told the woman was Caroline Cohen aka
missus Alan Dershwitz. In the end, no retraction, and dersh has become
a vocal proponent of nude beaches.And as for the image itself, so
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that was a lovely thread about thefact that dersh put zinc cream or sunscreen
on his todger. But it's beenknown for a long time that Alan loved
his nude volleyball. There's a Newsmaxpiece from December two thousand and one,
and it's titled Alan Dershevitz, Ienjoy getting naked at nude Beach button Down.
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Harvard Law professor Alan Dershevitz admitted Saturdaythat he enjoys getting naked at a
clothing optional beach on Martha's Vineyard,and defended his sandy frolics by claiming that
Eleanor Roosevelt used to do the samething. The bizarre confession came as WABC
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radios Richard Bay interviewed Peter Simon abouthis new book I and I Pictures of
My Generation, about how the nineteensixties changed American culture. Dershevitz, apparently
a friend of Simon, phoned into talk about the book. Dershevitz,
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you know, when I started teachingHarvard Law in nineteen sixty four, it
was a crime for anybody to faunicate, that is, to have sex with
someone with whom you are not married. That was a crime in Massachusetts.
Even the extreme right, with afew exceptions, have accepted the notion that
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sex is not the government's business.Richard Bay except that now foraunication has become
a form of entertainment. Simon,Alan, let's bring it back home.
You and I both go to thiswonderful nude beach on Martha's vineyard that never
would have happened without the sixties.By Alan, I've got to tell you
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something. With the listening audience hereat ABC, they are now screaming and
pulling their hair out at the thoughtof Alan Dershevitz running on the beach.
Dershevitz laughing nervously. Ah, I'vebeen Nobody is required to imagine that phenomenon,
Bay, Thank you, Simon.Don't you think Allan that the popularization
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of that sort of intimacy in akind of public way was an effect of
the sixties? Derschewitz, No,I don't, actually, because I think
you know, Eleanor Roosevelt used torun naked on that nude beach, Simon.
But it wasn't a movement. Bay. That's another thing I'd rather not
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ponder, Dershowitz. I don't seethat as a movement. I see that
as just a personal You know,people, there are a lot of beaches,
there's a lot of privacy. Peopledo what they want. Skinny dipping
is as popular among conservatives as itis liberals. Bracket's end of excerpt.
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So that's the transcript of when Dershjoined his mate Simon the author on WABC
radio. Whether or not he's actuallyplaying volleyball naked, we're not sure,
but he has definitely omitted to runningon the beach, and we do know
he likes the game of volleyball,so of course we always stick them together.
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Now, I spoke about that pretrial conference that Dersh and Virginia had
the other day. Now, anotherthing that they were told to work out
was a timeline of when this casewould be heard. Originally that was going
to be held in fall this year, and for those of us like Australians
and those in the UK, thatmeans around September, but no it's been
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pushed back now to March twenty twentythree. Both parties have agreed that Discovery
will close on November thirty this year, and Expert Discovery closing on February fifteenth.
Expert Discovery is the expert witnesses thatcome in. Plaintiff understands the court
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had previously indicated a design to havea trial the fall of this year,
but neither party now believes that ispossible and indeed, we believe a March
trial is optimistic and aggressive for thefollowing reasons. Now, I'm reading from
document four ninety nine on that casedocket first and foremost, and there is
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the next couple of paragraphs completely redacted. Now, several times Dersh has mentioned,
or the lawyers have mentioned, thathis state of health isn't that great.
I don't know. Perhaps this redactionrefers to medical treatment that Dersh has
organized for later in this year.Maybe by September it will be over.
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But he may still be recovering thosepesky redactions. We don't know what's behind
them. Back to the document.Second, the parties have agreed to resume
plaintiff's deposition via zoom from Australia onJuly twenty six, and have agreed that
defendants deposition will be taken on Augustthirty and thirty one in Boston. Third,
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given that the defender Dersche, plansto take nine depositions in addition to
the ten depositions he has taken thusfar, additional time for the fact an
expert discovery is necessary. Both partieshave indicated they want to depose each of
the individuals identified as anticipated fact witnessesby the other party to the extent those
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depositions have not already occur. Basedon the currently anticipated list of fact witnesses
for plaintiff, this means we willbe taking five depositions in addition to the
one deposition that we have taken thusfar, including the deposition of the defendant.
For defendant, this means defense counselwill be taking seven additional depositions,
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including finishing the deposition of the plaintiff. In addition, Defense this is Dersh
has indicated they intend to depose threeadditional individuals, na O and Virginia's mother
and father. Plaintiff anticipates subjecting tothose depositions, but will address the issue
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with a court when and if thosedepositions are in fact noticed. Fourth,
it appears there will be extensive expertdiscovery. Plaintiff has identified three affirmative expert
witnesses and may add others if defendantcontinues to claim physical, emotional, and
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mental damages. Remember the defendant hereis Dersh. We currently anticipate submitting expert
testimony from an expert on sex trafficking, a forensic psychologist, and an expert
on the dissemination of dedans defamatory statementsover the Internet as noted above. However,
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this list could expand depending on whatclaims of the defendant remain in the
case. Defendant has identified five potentialexpert witnesses or at least topics. This
expert discovery will require at a minimumtwo psychiatric evaluations a plaintiff, one from
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plaintiff's expert and one from defendant's expert, and defendant has indicated an intention to
seek a physical evaluation of plaintiff aswell, which plaintiff anticipates objecting to,
but in either case will require timeto resolve the objection and or schedule.
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With respect to the plaintiff's currently anticipatedlist of fact witnesses, we have identified
the following individuals we plan to callin person a trial. One Virginia Dufray
two David Boys three, Sigram McAuleyfour Edwards five, Paul Castle, six,
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David Stone seven, Anuska Di Giorgioand apologies if any of those names
are read out incorrectly. In addition, we currently anticipate submitting recorded deposition testimony
from a number of witnesses. Nowthat short list of people that Virginia's team
is going to depose include a lotof lawyers, David Boys, Sigram McCauley,
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Brad Edwards, Paul Castle, andDavid Stone or lawyers. Now,
David Stone is an attorney who isalso tied up with David Boys. And
in two thousand and fifteen it wasvia David Stone that Dursh tried to reach
out to boys, and of courseDrsh doesn't like boys. In a New
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York magazine feature, he said,a boys, He's not a lawyer,
he's an extortionist. Now, thelast name on that list is Annushka,
who was Jeffrey Epstein's first British victim, and she spoke out at his New
York hearing. But who is dershlooking at bringing to depose? Well,
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Document four ninety eight gives us abit of a rundown so far, Professor
Dershowitz. Currently anticipated fact witnesses includehimself, Virginia Dufre, Caroline Cohen,
Jim Buckham, Sharon Churcher. Nowshe was the journalist that broke the story
about Virginia and Prince Andrew. JohnZiska, Leslie Wexner, that's right,
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owner of l Brand's Victoria's Secret,the man who gave Epstein that New York
apartment and sold him a plane verycheaply. Rebecca Boylan, Michael Spalholtz,
Juana Lesie. That's right. Thebutler Anthony Figarola Crystal Figarola now Anthony or
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Tony as he's also known, wasVirginia's ex boyfriend. She was seeing him
at the time that she was withEpstein and palm Beach. Also on Dershowitz's
list is na O, an artistwho has admitted to recruiting women for Epstein,
who also claims that she is avictim. Caroline Andreano, who was
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Caroline Minor, victim four in therecent Galaine Maxwell criminal trial, Rabbi Zev
Boyarski and Lisa Scarabino. Rabbi Boyarskiwas praised by President Trump, according to
The New York Times, for hisleadership in generating support among lawmakers, judges,
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prosecutors, and Jewish groups for thecriminal Justice Reform legislation. Rabbi Boyarski
worked with Dersh on a number ofclemency petitions during the administration. In addition,
Dersh reserves the right to reserves theright to call any witness identified by
plaintiff rebuttal witnesses and custodian witnesses tothe extent necessary, as well as additional
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witnesses based upon discovery yet to beconducted, as well to the extent necessary
to preserve his rights. Dersh willseek to present testimony from Sarah Ransom,
Maria Farmer, and from other menwho plaintiff has alled she was traffic to
who have denied her allegation, andfrom whom the court has denied. Professor
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Dersha whit's the opportunity to take discoveryor offer evidence. I wonder who he
could mean? Part two. Dershis currently anticipated expert witnesses. Dersh presently
intends to offer expert witnesses to testifyon the topics listed below. Each is
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possible that more than one of thesesubjects will be addressed by the same expert.
One mental health experts forensic psychiatrist andor forensic psychologist regarding plaintiffs claimed adverse
mental health effects. Two medical expertregarding plaintiff's claimed adverse physical health effects.
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Three medical expert regarding defendants physical andrelated damages, four expert regarding memory,
and five expert regarding reputational damages.Dershowitz reserves the right to disclose rebuttal experts
in response to each a plaintiff's experts, and to disclose experts in additional categories
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based on remaining fact discovery. Now. Dersha's inclusion of reputational damages is interesting
because less than a week ago TheNew Yorker ran a story that was headlined
Alan Dershowitz canceled in Martha's Vineyard,and I'll just read a few paths from
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it. Alan Dershevitz became one ofthe most famous lawyers in America by representing
high profile clients such as Jeffrey Epstein, Mike Tyson, and O. J.
Simpson, and ameshing himself in politicaldebates on the subjects such as torture
and the Israeli occupation brackets. Hehas defended both clothes brackets. In recent
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years, however, his career hastaken even more controversial turns, notably his
public campaign against the Mueller investigation andhis decision to join President Trump's legal team.
In two thousand and nineteen, ConnieBruck profiled Derschewitz for The New Yorker
and looked into allegations that he hadsexually abused Virginia du Frey, who was
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trafficked by Epsteinckets. Dersh denies theallegations. Dersh has had lately been going
on television and Twitter to discuss cancelculture, specifically how he has been shunned
on Martha's Vineyard, his long timesummer getaway. He even released the text
of what he said was an emailfrom someone who had been beaten up on
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the beach for reading one of hisbooks. I recently spoke by phone with
Dershowitz, an Arematis, Professor atLaw at Harvard An author of the new
book The Price of Principle, WhyIntegrity Is Worth the Consequences. It was
released last week and happens to beabout the very subject of the email he
received, cancel culture and unwillingness tohear differing opinions. He describes the book
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as the story of my cancelation.During our conversation, which has been edited
for lengthen clarity, we discussed whathas happened to his social life since he
defended Donald Trump, his falling outwith Larry David, and why he compared
the January sixth Committee to Macarthurism.Now the new Yorker. Piece was written
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by Isaac Schottener and it was publishedon July nineteenth. Go and have a
read. It's a really good read. So we'll keep you up to date
when things move on the docket.But how about that Dersh is going to
depose Wexner or he wishes to deposeLes Wexner. That's all we have for
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this episode. But there is alot happening. There's questions in the Virgin
Islands about where all of the lllcsand the trusts of Epstein rolled into his
estate, because the Butterfly Trust doesn'tseem to be part of that. And
as many of you may remember,the Butterfly Trust seemed to be the vehicle
through which the European, the Russian, the Eastern Bloc women were paid.
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Now that Butterfly Trust, that wasthe trust employees used to withdraw the maximum
cash him out almost every day.The bank went, hey, what's going
on here? And that's what ledto Epstein going off to the Virgin Islands
and starting his own bank. Unfortunately, when we tried to set up our
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own bank, we were not back, weren't we. That was so rude.
I wanted to get my cat abank in the US Virgin Islands and
they didn't even reply. Maybe weshould have put down that we were into
DNA research like Epstein did when heapplied. Absolutely Jen, So we'll be
back later with more. There's somuch coming out at the moment, especially
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on that dirsh docket. So youcan find us on social media. We
have a Facebook group, Instagram,TikTok, YouTube, and you can find
me on Twitter at oh really truly. If you'd like to support us and
our work, We're on patreon itand there is a link in the show
notes. So we're going to bringin now the most offensive into Earn in
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the Southern hemisphere, Gistain. Sostay safe everyone, Bye bye. So
hello everyone. I can just seeit now, the headlines about me Florida
woman constantly. Now I'm going tobe leaving this laundry, I hope,
and heading off to sunny Florida.Anyway, I'm here to say thank you
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or no thank you to a fewpeople because they've been helping these bitches out.
So no thanks to teen and Verity. I don't like you, and
stop trying to find out what happenedto all my mother's properties. You don't
need to know. There's nothing tosee there. It wasn't a castle,
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it wasn't a manner, it wasnot a chateau. It's just a little
turret with an earth floor. Anyway, as always, bug you Hi,
it's Lisa here. Do you wantto help us produce The Princes the Pervert
podcast. One of our kind listenershas been asking how they can support us,
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so we've started a Patreon account,which not only benefits you in terms
of extra content and exclusive content,it also helps us just cover our costs.
At the end of the day.This is a labor of love and
we're determined to follow the case untilthe end. These women absolutely matter.
That's why we're doing this work andwe are all in this together. Details
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of the Patreon account are in theshow notes. Thank you,
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