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Ronnie (00:00):
Welcome to Equine Voices
podcast and I'm very, very
pleased to have a lovely guy,Tom Mayes.
He is an osteopath, acraniosacral acupressure,
myofascial release, and he alsodoes Reiki and he's also a
medical intuitive.
So without further ado, I'llbring Tom in.
He can introduce himself,explain a little about what he
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does in his work.
Tom (00:23):
Hi.
Honored to be here, thanks forhaving me on.
Ronnie (00:27):
You're so welcome.
Tom (00:29):
I work basically with
horses to help people awaken, to
expand, basically, would be themission statement.
You know, your standard privatesessions were being called to a
horse and the horse's got alameness issue.
It has a metabolic issue.
Anymore, metabolic issues arethe norm, And emotional and path
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issues.
So I work primarily in in theold days, it would be
Acupressure Chinese medicine,uh, as long with a lot of
applied kinesiology and bonemovement and things like that.
I Gravitated about, uh, twentyyears ago now to osteopathy, and
that, um, that field of which InEurope is somewhat familiar.
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It came from the US, the easternUS, but, um, in the United
States And now I've seen it allover the world.
Traditional deep effectiveosteopathy is pretty, uh, scarce
a lot of times.
And even the Colleges even inAustralia, I'm finding out, are
kind of teaching allopathicpharma.
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And, But, basically, what I dois I address horses and go into
their deepest dysfunctions.
And so To really find thedeepest physical issues,
lameness, whatever with horsestakes you to their path issues.
And, Oh, I don't know.
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Probably about twelve years ago,I'd be working on a horse, and
it seemed like every session,they would stop me, Look at me.
The ground would change, andthen they'd go to their owner.
And so I embarked on the factthat If you're connected
energetically, physically,emotionally with a horse, they
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will take on Your biggestdysfunctions in their body in a
way that helps illuminate it forthem, for you, and helps
mobilize its transition to to,uh, to beauty, if you will.
So, um, they are now to me themost, Um, effective I call them
functional MRIs to the, uh, myveterinary students, and that
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is, uh, they will constantlyshow me The biggest issue where
all the dominoes fall in theirhuman partner over and over and
over.
And, um, so that's where mypassion really lies because it's
a whole dynamic of the whole ofwhat Equus is here for and also
how to clear their body and thehuman itself.
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Uh, along with that, Igravitated about, I don't know,
ten years ago, maybe twelve atthe most, to teaching, This my
method both on a physical levelfrom different levels all the
way up, and now that probably iseighty five percent of what I do
in terms of this This space, um,my goal is to help people.
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They come into my clinics, andthey leave, Uh, more themselves.
They lead a different person.
They lead more them and moreexpanded.
It's just the nature of it, andI would say it's not just me by
myself.
There's a lot of help that'salways in play there.
I can't believe what goes on inthese clinics in terms of the
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synchronicity level just,Expands exponentially.
My wife, Yolanda, she, um, begandoing cranial sacral on humans,
Um, quite a while ago now, but,uh, after I had already gotten
in into it deeply.
And she, um, has incredibleability to, Uh, go into your
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physical tension much like I do,but very different.
And, uh, then embrace it, holdit, and then Begin to to ask the
body, ask the person, ask thesoul what's really holding that.
What is the real issue here?
And then the tissue unwinds.
So she she has incredibleresults as well.
She does, uh, admin for theclinics and also will help, um,
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physically and, uh, on on peopledirectly that are in the clinic
to open up.
And, um, the changes when shedoes that In terms of what
people can do on horses,students, is phenomenal.
So, um, anyway, That's basicallywhat I do, but I would say
osteopathy, if you're gonna puta key phrase on that, is the
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bigger key Modality that, uh,that would be in play, um, I
gravitated to that way over,Acupressure Chinese medicine,
they all have huge relevancy,and I use muscle testing a lot
to, Not really for me, but to,um, I use pain responses on the
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owner to get them to trulyunderstand What's going on with
their horse and maybe simplethings that are big things like,
uh, your feet in neurotoxicfees.
Let me show you what that feelslike.
And, um, so I do that a lot, butthe intuitive spirit connection
is always First foremost andalways the essence of everything
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I do, every other technique issimply an expression of it.
Ronnie (05:42):
That was a brilliant
explanation, Tom.
Thank you so much.
so I was reading about Yourfather Daryl, was he the
scientific person behind?
Yeah?
Tom (05:53):
Yeah.
So that's an interestinginterplay.
He was a world classendocrinology Biochemist
researcher, he had, without adoubt, the world's most advanced
sensitive endocrine lab in theworld for years.
And so he was the first personto develop truly sensitive,
usable hormone testing way backin the sixties and seventies,
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And he continued that up towardsthe end, he was probably the
leading pediatric endocrinologyconsultant that there was.
And anyway, he came from youknow, that background in those
days, science and technology wasgonna Was gonna solve every
problem right and so you know, Iwould be around that because I
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basically grew up in a hospitallab setting, And I would be a
little kid listening toconversations from all kinds of
MDs to lab techs to whoever,and, I would put my two cents
in, and it didn't have the, um,it well, certainly, as a young
child, the academic prowess thatthey would have, so they would
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always dismiss that.
You know?
But, uh, he was not open toenergetics at all.
Yet inside of him, it was.
So when I would bring it up, ittherefore caused a pretty big
rift because I was pushing hisbutton And telling him to awaken
and look at things a little bitdifferent.
And so I would see differentenergetics in people.
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And when I would learn, oh, thatorgan that organ is related to
that organ, I could just see theone part of the energy would go
down there.
It would rob some other orwhatever.
And, um, that was certainly notwell taken by his colleagues.
But The beauty of it though wasI really do like the scientific
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method on its own.
I like left brain.
You know, it took me a while torealize left brain is a great,
uh, assistant.
It is not Supposed to be incharge.
And so I utilized the left brainas a wonderful now it took a
long time for me to do thatbecause I was So inundated with
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left brain was dominant andalways had to be in charge.
And up front, on the thoughtprocess and feeling process, I
use it as a beautiful workingassistant that gives me
information by deductive logic,and then sometimes I'll go into
a deductive protocol but no it'sthe intuitive right brain.
It's the heart that leads, andthat's where the power is.
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That's where the discernment is,and That's where the efficacy
is.
But, uh, learning to verifyresults like a scientific
method, to me, I'm still I stillembrace that.
So there's a part of me wouldstill love to work with open
minded, I don't know, veterinaryclinics, veterinary hospitals,
Uh, researchers and becausethere's so much that people like
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us can show the physiologicalcauses of things that are not
known and you can verify andtest it and so I love that.
Um, I'm gonna stay in the heartspace first, but it's got to,
What the natives over here sayis no matter how woo woo you
are, it's gotta grow corn.
That's what they say.
Meaning, it's gotta show proofright here in that here and now
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otherwise, it's just sort of upin the ethers, and it's spinning
around doing nothing.
It's gotta have traction here onthe earth.
So, Um, Yeah.
Studies would be good.
So I got that from my father,and that I'm grateful for.
Uh, it also pushed me To be boldenough to follow my own way, and
that certainly wasn't their way.
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You know?
Ronnie (09:30):
How old was you when
this was going on?
How old was you?
Tom (09:36):
The earliest memories that
I can remember getting deeply
involved in what they werereally saying was seven, and
that kinda continued up and thencertainly as a teenager and I
think what happens, you know, asa teenager, I'm trying to fit
in, and I'm like, uh, well I'mgonna be a doctor.
I'm gonna do this.
And, um, So I got ingrained intothe left brain.
You know?
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Okay.
So I kinda threw some of theflow a lot of the flow to the
side for a while.
So it's that I think a lot of usget on that path of remembering
who we are.
You know?
And, um, I mean, I think that'swhat I do for a living with
people is I just have themremember Who they were when they
came in and how to plug in theirfrequency to the horse.
And you know I would do thatearly on.
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And then when I went to collegeas a pre med major, I think I
was, yeah, I was in the secondyear, and I just remember being
in a biochem class and finallyrealizing There's they literally
worked hard in the academic, uh,community to shut spirit out, to
shut The passion out.
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It to shut any real deep senseof what we're here for and what
really drives the physiology inthe first place.
And I got up and left, and thatwas the end of that, and I went
into medical anthropology afterthat.
So I shifted I tend to do that.
Okay.
That's enough of this, and Ijust that's it.
Turn the corner, and away I go.
And so that was a great That wasa great, um, change in the path
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for sure, and that kinda took medown a different way.
Ronnie (11:06):
I think it's about
balance, isn't it?
So Yeah.
Uh, you can be very Spiritual,but you're still living a human
life on this planet, so you'vegot to integrate both together
you can't remain, I want to bethere because it's so nice.
It's so lovely because you'rehere to experience life, And
it's bringing that energy intothe human element and to
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experience it from bothperspectives.
So It's that balance and foryou, there's scientific side.
So, obviously You've come hereto, we've all come here to have
a purpose.
I don't mean it like that, butyou've definitely come in to
show through horses andinteracting with people and
having both skill sets, soscientific and spiritual.
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Because if you're talking to acowboy or a guy that's not
really that way, doesn't mean tosay he's not intuitive.
He just doesn't view it thatway.
So you can speak to him on adifferent level so I think
having those different skillsare important.
And The fact that you had themearly on, you was trying to tell
your dad, which is quite funnyOh, yes.
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Yeah is proof in itself.
I'd like keeping a fly on thewall when Yoon is doing
Tom (12:18):
that.
Yeah.
I would like to go back and viewthat as well.
I know, Some of the things thatwe had the most heated arguments
about, um, end up now beingtrue.
At the time, they didn't haveenough skill to see that, you
know, Certain things will causedysregulation of the
hypothalamus will absolutelycause x, y, and z, and I could
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see that energetically becausethat's where it really exists.
And, um, you know the funnything about that is when he
passed, Of which somehow I hadto on a path level help him to
get through that.
Wasn't more than a month later,I started getting all these
horses with all these endocrineissues and started seeing
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physical Causation, likebiomechanical torsions that are
there twenty four seven and whatthey meant to the horse's
endocrine system.
Some of it I knew about fromosteopathic training, but what's
really common is if you go up toprobably, oh, seventy percent of
the horses in the US.
I'm not sure about Europe.
I know in Australia the same.
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If you really look at the theway that the head and the bones
of the head are aligned in theirPeriphery.
And you look at the if you justput a t square in your mind
between the bone, not the softtissue of the two eye orbits,
you'll find one eye will be downon most sources.
And so that's a cranial torsionon that side.
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The lower eye part is is theSymmetrical dysfunctional side.
And what that is is a wholecranial vault there, and it will
put pressure on hypothalamus,pituitary, and pineal.
And so the downstream effect ofthe endocrine just, um,
expression out of that side,they're very different left and
right, Front and back.
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You can you can predict what'sgonna happen downstream.
Whether you're gonna have aCushing's horse or you're gonna
have I mean, I used to get thesemares about that time, uh, who
they couldn't let their notedown.
They were made mares.
And I go to them, and I look attheir head, and their left
Pituitary, their left cranialbones, excuse me, be extremely
in dysfunction.
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And also I would do is work thehead, and every time four hours
later, I'd get a call.
The milk's flowing.
So I would reset pituitaryprolactin and allow the body to
flow.
Um, so that I think was my dadComing in.
And I know so, um, and so theykinda went through that.
So that was kind of Probablywhere he should have went
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earlier on in that life.
If not that life, then x.
Right?
So, um, it's all part of alonger process.
Interesting.
Ronnie (14:57):
Maybe that was his
learning yeah, You still need
now, so maybe that's part of
Tom (15:02):
it.
Yeah.
You know the thing that Ilearned the most from having
close well, Hi.
Family, friends, and then forme, it's animals in particular
that have passed really closesuper Connected, evolved
animals.
The more we free ourselves uphere, the more we free them up
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up there.
I didn't realize until, really,Maybe, I don't know, ten years
ago how how much interconnectedflow there is between Who's ever
working with us and our ownprocess.
It is way more than we think itis.
We are certainly not an islandby any sense of the need.
We just couldn't function.
You know?
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It's that interplay.
It truly is.
Ronnie (15:47):
Yeah I'm a great
believer.
Obviously, it's my view in likeyou said, if you work with your
own stuff it's a knock on effectto everybody else, living past,
Present future, and where ourfocus goes to see, I have this
little thing, and, um, I'mobviously, not you, I'm where
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I'm at at this present time.
And I'm well aware that if youlook at something and you focus,
You draw energy and you add toit.
So you can create it, but notjust in yourself.
You can create it beyond that.
But it doesn't mean to say thatwhat you're looking at hasn't
got some relevance or learning Ican't put it into words because
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it's quite Yeah.
Yeah.
It's quite deep.
You touched on the mirror, butthe mirror is just You explain
what the mirror theory is to thelisteners?
Tom (16:43):
It's an absolute Parallel
correlate of what we're just
talking about in that we're allin this together.
And, Us humans have a ways to goon some things.
And so we're in this whateveryou wanna call it we forget.
We come through that veil, Andwe have a diminished ability to
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to see, to feel, to act.
But animals uh, we call themdomesticated animals, and in
that sense, they are they areHighly tuned to what our path
issue is from a purposestandpoint.
They're not looking at justgetting their needs met unless
they are closed off themselves.
They are truly here to awakenus, all of them.
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And all of and horses areexquisite at it.
And I've just been lucky enoughto let them show me How they
communicate that and how to testit, how to apply it, how to
verify it, and how to help movethrough.
So people, If you're connectedto a horse and if you have
absolutely no connection,probably a good horse can read
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anybody, and I have those wherewe'll get people that they can't
figure out what's wrong withthem, functional med doc, and
They'll bring the person there,and the horse will say, yes.
I'll read this person, but it'sjust for that moment.
But if it's your horse, theyhold deeply in their body, not
just your little aches and painsor this little injury here.
They hold that which isSignificant, which is what the
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osteopaths call the area ofgreatest restriction, the place
where the dominoes fall whenthat goes.
And so those areas, They lightup for me physically, and my job
is to intuitively and rationallyfind out what they're talking
about.
But when I get in there, that'swhen I pick up the energy, when
I look into it like you weretalking about and see its
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energy, and then it startsshowing me the path.
Or very frequently, it is threeyears old.
Three years old.
What happened at three yearsold?
The original insult that Youlost your power, where you quit
believing in yourself, whereyour emotions and your belief
systems shut you down supercommon.
And the horses see it like like,we see a picture on a wall, and
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they kinda look at me like, youguys are so slow.
And I kinda go, yeah.
Well, But help me come up toyour level.
Right, so they really do.
And, why they hold our deepeststuff is just like disease, the
body will hold Dysfunction andpain as a way of awakening you
and calling attention to it, andthey're about calling attention
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to it, moving through it intowholeness.
And they're very clear on that.
And there'll be times when I'vewill work on a horse that's
really in a lot of pain andphysical suffering, And I'll
look at them and say, you know,this isn't even yours because it
isn't.
Now sometimes they have theirown stuff, but And sometimes a
human takes the horses.
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But by and large, I've seenhorses where they're incredible
physical pain, And quality oflife is really in the dumps.
And I'll look at him and say,You know, I'm not sure that your
human's worthy of this.
You might wanna separate fromthat, and in a week, you could
be feeling beautiful and theylook up and they get really
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excited because they get thesense of, uh, that would be so
good.
And then So I don't know whatdialogue they're getting, but
they're getting it from Equus.
They come back in.
They look at me.
It says it's not negotiable.
It's a sacred contract.
It's not negotiable.
So, um, it is what it is.
So to me, bearing is not if,it's How much and what is the
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quality of it and what is itthat which you need to let go to
see to process.
Ronnie (20:31):
Wow yeah.
So I totally agree witheverything you just said,
Because I feel it, and I seethat myself.
However, just because I see itand I know it, it doesn't mean
to say with me and my horse, Ihave my own baggage, and it's a
double edged sword sometimes.
Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
Because It's easy not to look atsomething and not to add to it,
but you can just catch yourself.
It's there.
Your mind takes you there.
And I say that your mind's notyour friend, and your mind's not
your enemy.
It just is there.
Yeah.
Yeah the more I understand, themore they show me.
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God, the harder it is sometimes.
Tom (21:15):
It is, it is.
One of the things that I havefound, they taught me.
This is truly it's a universalEnglish language.
I've seen it in all breeds, inall places, at all ages,
including two day old folds.
If they really want to get anissue across, they will use the
body as a way in as aexpression.
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What's wrong with the body willhold what's wrong with us, and
they use the team points.
They're not really just theacupoints of the the front hand.
Partly you know, I used tothink, well, they're just after
A candy, a carrot, somethinglike that.
Right?
And they could be, but whatthey'll do is they'll go to a
specific finger.
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And so that leads to meridian,but really an organ.
And within that, what does itreally mean?
So, Fourth fingers tripleheater, and it almost always
talks about an endocrine issueas the dominant issue in the
human.
Or large intestine, they'll goto this finger.
lung will be thumb.
Heart issues show up a lot a lota lot, especially in the last
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few years so what I do is I seethat, then I verify that they
have a physical heart issue,then The way I work intuitively,
the best is I go into the body,and I find out where the energy
lives.
Every dysfunction has a coreplace that it emanates
spherically from, which thankGod it's there because it's not
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like it's everywhere.
It might be all over the heart,but in reality, you're gonna
find it a Pacific center, and Igo into that and I talk, and
then it gives me theinformation.
And usually on a person, it'llbe They feel overwhelmed by the
collective consciousness and theenergies and all that is going
on, and so they close theirheart and that's exactly the
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opposite of a good immunesystem.
The good immune system is toopen, and the minute the person
buys into that, that goes buysinto this wrong word.
Then the person embraces andacknowledges the authenticity of
I need to be fully open like Iwas when I was a little kid.
The heart opens and moves, andmy job is to nudge it and clear
that essence.
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And then the horse will look atme like, yep got it.
And He or she will eitherredirect to the next one, but
what they have done is they'vetaken me to the biggest one,
whatever that is.
So I've had them horses thatwere great to work on, and I'd
show up maybe a year or twolater because I usually get a
lot out of a horse unlesssomebody's either had a real
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problem on a deep level of thehorse.
I don't usually see that horsefor a long time so something
else happens.
And I'll get these horses whereall of a sudden they won't let
me touch them.
And the minute I go to touchthem, they take off.
And you look at that and go,okay.
That's odd at first.
And then as soon as I starttalking to the human, they bury
their head into you.
And those are always things thatare absolutely critical timely
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like well, I don't know, quite afew colon cancers they're
showing me, You name it they'veshown me how to find malignant
tumors like crazy and it'sequals it shows me.
They get the credit for theteaching, not me.
And They do that all the time.
They're that good.
Ronnie (24:23):
Wow I'm really enjoying
listening to you, Tom.
So for the benefit of somebodythat's maybe new to this, when
you go see a client, when you gosee a horse, Just guide us
through, as much as you want to,both sides of it.
So what are you looking at?
What are you feeling?
And how do you approach this,especially if they're not that
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way inclined of thinking?
Tom (24:48):
That is a brilliant
question, and it's an obvious
one, but the obvious ones arethe brilliant questions.
Um, the first thing I would saythat I do and I've had a lot of
mentors and guides, directpeople.
In fact, one was from the UKthat I worked with for years.
Linda Merynics, she's aphenomenal channeler, and she's
in the US.
And, um, anyway, she wouldChannel things, and I'd go try
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and verify because I run theskeptic really hard.
I still have that allopathicpart, and Then I verify.
So the first thing I do is I setthe intention or the intentions
running that I'm coming to makea Significant difference.
If you're asking me to work onyou, it's not like a little
fluff playing around it's likelet's go.
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Let's be willing to go to thedepths.
That's a huge change rightthere.
The intention of what you'reasking to do is huge.
Now you can do that with noskill set it's the intention
that is the biggest player here.
You can have the world'sgreatest osteopathic hands With
the wrong skill set and theright amount of arrogance,
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you're not gonna get anythingdone.
So I do that, and therefore,permission has to be there.
Sometimes I help set the ground.
And then depending on where theperson is, I'm always I'm
working on the horse, but Unlessthe person is not there and not
wanting to be there, that'sunusual but it's The interplay.
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It's a triad going on the wholetime.
And so I'm I'm always aware ofthat person's energy And what
their frequency is like and whatthe horse is trying to tell me,
and then I'm really mainlytrying to open the horse up
physiologically, energetically.
And as that happens, there wastimes, like it depends.
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If you have somebody who'sreally closed off to Any
energetic stuff.
I don't just blast in and dothings, but yet, in other ways,
I do.
If the horse mirrors with me, Iwalk right up to the people
anymore.
I just did it last weekend, andI should go, let me see this
part, this point on you orwhatever.
They may be the actual organ.
It might be a pain reflex point,and I go in.
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There's Something about thatwith horse's energy, my energy
running at the same time.
One, we're both more, I'm moreeffective with those horses
together than I am by myself.
And the people seem to, kindajust get they get overwhelmed
for a second, and Somethinginside of them that I touch
their soul more, so they go, oh,yes.
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I remember this.
And transitions them.
It awakens them very quickly,and that's really the essence of
what I do.
I wouldn't do it if they were,Uh, standoffish about it if
their energy system said no.
I would find little things asthe horse started Releasing and
deeper stuff, and they asked mewhat I'm doing.
I start telling them, and thenI'll find a different way in.
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But, yeah, by and large anymore.
People in the last certainlymore than twenty years ago are
way more open to, well, let mejust see, let me just see.
You know?
So I do that with a horse, andthen I first start physically on
a horse, at the head Opening upand getting a sense of their
frequency.
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Who are they?
How much vitality do they have?
How much spirit is able to gothrough their central nervous
system right from the upperpalate of the upper gums or an
acupoint or the yin tang, thethird eye.
And then I'll do an assessmentvery lightly with cranial sacral
to see where their centralnervous system is blocked
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Because wherever a a slightorgan dysfunction will will
block the cranial rhythm.
It'll block the The spine, thenerves, which I call the off
ramps or the side streets.
Uh, and so I get a sense of whatkind of pattern Physically, left
brain, this horse may have, andthen I go right back into
intuition.
I go into the heart.
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And what I mean into the heart,I mean into the heart.
Not hard physically.
All of us have this ability Togo into the body and engage
tissue at depth, and then feelit just like you're there.
It isn't if, it's just A skillthat you need to reawaken and
then to expand upon.
So that's the main skill Iteach.
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Without that, I don't care Whatother anatomical physiological
skill set you have?
You can't merge with tissue.
You can't go into the depths.
And, Whatever's going on out inthe field of the horse has an
eminence, and I tend togravitate to where is it coming
from.
And then when I get in there, ittalks in the Internet, and I ask
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it, how do you wanna release?
What are you?
You know?
Are you of Obstruction in theblood vessel.
Are you in nerve?
Are you in organ?
Are you in the limp?
Are you you know, what is thecause of the issue physically,
and what really is it?
And if I get the frequency thatit's an emotional issue hold,
which are the strongest physicaldisease holds in the body.
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I will stop and have dialoguewith the horse on what it is,
and are you willing to see it,own it, and not Release it
usually.
Release is very different thanletting go.
Release is you kinda leave thebuilding, if you will, If you
own an office and you go awayfor a while and come back and
release it and it's cleaned upmaybe, your new carpet or
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whatever, that's okay, but I'mmore into letting go is done and
transmuted, and you and then youcan move through it.
So that's what I do,energetically, but I'm following
where the biggest problems ofthe horses are, and I gravitate
to the vascular heart systemfirst, and I do that partly
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because I'm geared that way.
But, The heart to me without adoubt and throughout all
cultures is the eminence of thesoul.
And it's right in the middle ofthe heart, you know, equidistant
left, right, top, bottom, front,back.
And that goes way, way back fromEgyptian mystic school,
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indigenous, druids, and and evenin the, Quran and tree of life
but my point is is the biggestinsults that I see to the body
are where the being has gone offpurpose.
And so I try to sense where thatis in the heart and find out
where it may be in the body.
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And then if there's a bloodvessel that's not in play or
it's in inflammation, it willdominate Tissue all the way
around it.
So I free up the the bloodvessels wherever I go, and then
I go deeper.
The vassalers and everything,but to me, it's the soul It's
the biggest player in all thedisease or the discoherent, uh,
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gone off purpose, if you will,aspect of the soul.
Ronnie (31:46):
As he was talking about
the heart, I'm not even gonna
tell you what I was gettingbecause it might sound, not to
you, Really bizarre, but, um,yeah I'll have to tell you that
bit afterwards, actually.
I've written it down, so don'tforget.
Right.
Okay.
Sorry.
So when I'm talking, sometimesI'll get communications coming
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through.
Tom (32:07):
I love it.
Ronnie (32:09):
Right.
Okay.
So right so they want me to saysome of what I felt as you were
talking about the heart.
And, obviously, this is myinterpretation you don't have to
accept this, Tom.
Um, but I have to say what comesthrough because it's coming
through for a reason, andthey're talking about the heart.
As you were talking, the thearteries Mhmm.
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They'll show me the structure ofthe heart, but then as she was
talking and you was talkingabout going inside, The energy
felt very feminine.
And then what's come later wasthe feminine energy is really
important to the heart,chemistry okay.
Both are, but for some reason,at this present time, and that's
how it's coming now.
At this present time, it'sreally important the feminine
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energy, and this is coming toostrong.
As you were talking, it wasalmost like I was trying to
think of a movie, It's an oldmovie where they go into a
spaceship, and they get injectedinto a human to try and clear
part of his body, and I can'tthink what it's called.
Tom (33:08):
Possiden adventure
something like that?
Ronnie (33:10):
No it's an old movie
rochelle Welch was in it.
Yes.
I know the movie.
Yeah.
They miniaturize themselves, andYes.
You got it.
Yeah.
Yes that was a great As he wastalking, the whole heart, you
was inside, and I can seeinside, and I can see the energy
and the frequency.
And I could see the pathwaysThat was connecting, and it's
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like you had your hand.
The energies I'm trying todescribe this so it's more
visual.
The electrode pathways that comefrom the heart was going Beyond
that you can ask me about thatafterwards and see if anything
else comes through there, butthey wanted me to mention that.
(33:53):
And, again They're saying shebecause she's presenting herself
as a female energy.
Yes.
And this is a key To this momentin time this moments that we're
going through, The female energyto do with the heart.
So, obviously, there ismasculine too, but it's the
female.
It's allowing to surrender, Tolet go, to take the guard off,
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and to be vulnerable.
That's it.
This is part of the femaleenergy.
I know that makes sense to you.
Tom (34:27):
Yeah.
I directly teach that.
It's the divine feminine.
Yes.
The energy of the heart vascularsystem that is what it is.
And that is not to be confusedwith soft and submissive and if
that's the exact opposite.
It's the exact opposite.
And to be in our time of Stillmasculine dominance is really
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rearing its head at the moment.
A true balanced warrior, if youwill, has equal divine feminine
as he does male and vice versa.
And so It is embracing thatfrequency is the only way you're
gonna be able to go into theheart and to move vascular
tissue.
It wasn't till I did that was Ieffective On the three d level.
I do a couple differentexercises in in clinic where I
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take everybody and I have themmake a ring.
It's an aikido move.
It's a martial art move whereyou are using physical,
masculine, bravo energy to holdthe index finger to the thumb,
And then you come by with bothhands, me being the instructor
or somebody else and pull itapart.
Well, anybody should be able topull this apart because of the
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mechanical advantage and thenyou bring in the divine feminine
and that which is pure intentionand softness.
No physical.
If you try, it won't work.
You must allow the divinefeminine to flow, and it might
help that you envision that assome sort of unbreakable Circle,
you have to see it as anunbreakable circle and I don't
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care how strong you are, you'renot gonna unbreak it.
The only way you can break it isto confuse the person's
attention and take them off ofit by asking what their color is
or whatever.
So the other thing about thatis, It is well known in
allopathic circles that theheart as a pump of blood does
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not come close to having thepower To pump that blood around
the body, not even close.
So there's great research rightnow and debate on that, And they
think it's an electrical chargeat the cellular level.
Pollard's work on fourth phaseof water that's probably true.
But without a doubt, in myopinion, in my sense, in my
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knowing, it is this energy ofsoul that runs this and it is
much like a divine feminineenergy.
When you hear these clichesabout the mother picked the car
up off the infant child thatfell on it, and it was
adrenaline that did it, No it'sthe energy of pure divine intent
that did it and adrenaline justhelped.
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The craniosacral system comingin from, the pineal, if you
will, or it's a on a allopathicversion, it is the pumping like
a hide A hydraulic pump of thecerebral spinal fluid from the
blood system down the spine,taking the waste products back
up, And then back into theblood, that is a short version
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of the cranial system.
The reality of it is you're notgonna feel it unless you're
willing to feel spirit come in,kinda like kundalini straight
line coming down and out thecoccyx and back up.
And that's what drives thisentire system through the body
because the bones don't haveenough power.
So would that be a Masculineenergy?
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I don't think so but it'sdifferent than the heart's
energy.
So, this divine feminine iswithout a doubt yeah.
I think the biggest Transitionwe have right now is society is
being not just asked, it's beingprompted to move into the heart,
To get out of the lowerfrequencies of just survival,
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just getting by, just wannacontrol, be controlled, and just
move into the heart where thingsjust sort of balance out.
And that transitional place inthe body, it goes back to the
body too, is the diaphragm.
So the problems with diaphragmsand people and horses are off
the charts in terms of how manypeople have it and I think more
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so than they used to be, and Ithink that's what this is.
I think it's it's a divisionalaspect between the higher and
lower self.
And, Moving into the divinefeminine, there's the barrier
right there.
Ronnie (38:40):
So when you say
diaphragm what symptoms, what
would you see in humans andhorses?
What would that show you?
Tom (38:47):
On a physical level, you
can write a book on just the
physical.
Okay.
So it literally is a dividingaspect.
Okay.
So there's three hiatuses orholes, transitional holes in
there.
One of them is the vena cava.
So all of the blood from thelower extremities and all the
organs below the diaphragm haveto go through that hiatus and it
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shunts it.
So you're backing up andstagnating fluid below the
diaphragm.
The aorta tries to get throughthe diaphragm at the aorta
hiatus, and that's on the leftside.
The vena cava is on the right,and it gets shunted and it puts
back pressure on the heart.
The even the cardiologist callthat hypertrophic heart because
it it can't relax and flowbecause the diaphragm's pushing
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back on it.
And the third hole, essentially,there's three, like a divine
triad, um, is the esophagealglaze, Which on humans is easy
to come close to physically ordirectly, and it's right below
your xiphoid where you get thewind knocked out of.
Well, that's where the esophagusgoes through to the stomach, and
just so happens the the vagalnerve, the gastric vagal nerve
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is right on that side.
So when the diaphragmconstricts, it physically
torsions that esophagus and thenerve, And that's the absolute
number one cause of stomachulcers and gastric reflux in
people.
Horses are there's so manyhorses with stomach ulcers.
It's in every publication, inevery conference, in every
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article you wanna see, And it'sthe ability it's a diaphragm
that's doing it.
And then to make matters worse,it's one of the Strongest core
muscles below the lumbar spine.
And you could probably go tomost of your textbooks and
anatomy books, and it won't showthat of the diaphragm that
extends underneath the spine,and yet it's there.
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So it causes an incredibledysfunction in a horse, For
instance, lead changes, pullsthe pelvis through into it, it
it goes on and on and on.
The diaphragm creates anincredible distortion, if you do
not know how to address andclear all aspects of the
diaphragm, which include organs,you're missing The core of the
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of the animal and itsdysfunction physiologically,
metabolically, movement, all ofit.
It will pull the head out aswell.
A lot of our head problemsaren't traumas to the head,
they're distortions in the gutand the diaphragm.
Used to be about two thousandfour, about twenty five percent
of horses had a diaphragm spasm,And they don't tend to heal
(41:27):
without intervention, which Ifind fascinating.
Why is that?
It's one of these places thatwill not heal without deeper
dives into it.
Now, from what I gather, it'sprobably ninety three percent or
more have a diaphragm torsionand so why all of a sudden this?
And, on a physical level, Iwould say it's neurotoxic feeds.
(41:49):
It's pretty obvious what theyare, but there's this path
issue, and there's this humanmirror issue as well, humans as
well.
So gut issues will be diaphragmissues if they stay there very
long If a human realize howtheir, so I'm gonna try and
split this back in my terms, Andthen you can you can give me
(42:12):
yours.
If a human understand what athought does to their own
physical body, energetically,physically, and the same thing
to whoever they're interactingwith, whether it's family,
friends, animals, especiallybecause that's where we have
this love, usually unconditionallove.
We want to help them.
We want to fix them.
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We want to love them so much.
And what horses say to me is youknow, you're suffocating me.
Just look after yourself firstbecause you can't do what you
wanna do for me if you can't dothat for yourself.
And I say that with, compassionand understanding because I'm a
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human, and from my own horse andhuman relationship.
It's the same for me, and it'sso frustrating.
Now I don't have yourvocabulary.
I don't have your skill set.
Mine is limited.
In fact, a few years ago, did amassage Of course.
Because, to get insurance, youhad to have A piece of paper to
(43:13):
say that you did something and,my dear friend said to me, why
don't you do an animalcommunication course and I said,
why would I do that?
I do that.
Why would I do somebody else'scommunication course?
Because I wouldn't be doingthat.
I'd be doing how my intuition isguiding me to communicate and
I'm doing that for a what comesthrough me, What I pass on is,
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my learning, my understanding,and it's my pathway.
so I don't want a piece of paperthat says I do that because I
wouldn't be promoting that.
aNd then as time went by, I dida massage course, which I
Absolutely loved it.
And while I was in it, I lovedit and I met some lovely people,
amazing tutor.
She's so funny.
(43:56):
She's at Welsh.
She's so funny.
And afterwards, I wanted to doit, but because it wasn't really
my passion Or maybe I'm justlazy.
I don't know, to be honest, Tom.
It didn't stick.
I don't store knowledge.
I don't have a photographicmemory.
And if I don't do something On aregular basis, it's not there
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and another reason why I didthis is when I visited the
client, I would often be talkingto the client, and I'd be
stroking the horse, and my handwould stop somewhere.
And as I'm talking Yeah.
I'm well aware that my hand ison.
So I'd say to the client I lovethat.
I'm just gonna go quiet justbear with me, and I'd explain
what I'm doing.
Like, my hand has its own Itsown system, and it's working
(44:40):
something.
And they could see from thehorse's response that something
was going on.
Now I'm not saying it's as asyours.
But there was something going onand sometimes I think it's just
a case of the horse wanted toconnect through me to the human
Even if I'm not touching thehuman, because the human would
start crying and saying, I haveno idea why I'm crying.
(45:01):
And I'm saying that's finebecause tears are good.
That's fine, you're releasingsomething's coming through, and
then the horse would go off andstart to eat the hay or have a
drink and just carry on doingwhat it's doing.
When you're doing communication,you're talking, you're doing
that, Sometimes I would get, andI do get, things that would come
through and I'd be asking thequestions, but I would want to
(45:24):
know, In layman's terms, whatthat is so I can pass it on to
the person.
And because I don't Have allthat knowledge.
They would show me pictures.
They would show me things I'dsay, right on me, this is what
the horse has shown me.
There's a tightness There., Thisis spasm there.
There's a twist there.
So I would do it that way but Ireally wanted to have this
memory where I could go.
(45:44):
It's a sacral.
It's that.
It's the Fifth rib, but it neverstuck like that with me.
Um, so I decided to justsurrender and let that go
because maybe that's not how Imeant yeah.
Oh, totally.
It could be and what I would sayis that intuitive Seeing bigger
patterns without knowing whatthey are is more important than
(46:06):
knowing exactly where you couldChase them down it's always more
important.
The ability to go in and followyour way It's much more
effective than following acookbook and working from the
inside out.
Like, when we're doing clinics,I don't have large classes
because of the energy involvedunless I have a lot of TAs.
(46:28):
But, I mean, a large class wouldbe twelve people, and usually, I
I want more no more than eight.
And the reason why is we'll begoing out to do a two hour
session twice a day, And we'reable to go out to do a session
on a horse, and I haveparticular techniques, you know,
ready to go on the Or that I'vealready demoed and so on and
talked about on PowerPoint andeverything, but each person I go
(46:51):
around to, it's so fascinating.
I meet their frequency and theway they interface and help them
to embrace it and move throughit rather than just know.
And so they get much furtheralong, much quicker when they
bring their essence with themAnd don't try to, uh, there's no
cloning of this work.
(47:13):
There is no cloning.
And so if you're guided to stayat a certain level, if you get
called to say, well, I see thispattern in a horse, this torsion
at the rib cage, and you wannaknow More about what that is?
Well, you could physically beginto take that apart with
different techniques and skills.
You can also just go into it andfind out where it lives.
(47:35):
Just go into it and ask it.
What is this?
You can do that as well.
And from there, The lesson youprobably do better with that,
and that may indeed be theultimate technique at the end,
not all the other stuff.
I mean, most of the veterinarystudents I have, as a rule, have
the most trouble getting resultsbecause they question and
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they're in their left brain theycan't feel and when when I put
my hand on theirs and I go in toshow them, take them in A ride
down into, like, the middle of aspasm of a liver, and we go
right to it and then I'll askthem, well, what's there, and
what part of the lobe is this?
And they'll look at me, andthese are veterinarians, and
they'll look at me like, I don'tknow and I look at them, I go,
you left your left brainfinally.
(48:18):
Okay.
Because they literally forgetall their training.
And so the key is the merging.
It is the Intuitive energeticinterface that's what it is.
Your situation that I'm gettingis you will go to a horse, And
when you just decide you're justgonna shut everything out, And
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you will find its biggest areaof restriction and if you talk
to the person, your hand willjust go there, Which is
fascinating.
And then I would say at thispoint, you have to decide what
you wanna do at that point.
Yes.
Because you bring it out.
You bring the energy to thesurface.
You bring the shadow to thesurface.
Ronnie (48:59):
I love going, to clients
and showing them similar to you,
what happens when you're justpresent and there's no agenda
and you're just Letting thehorse guide you, and it's really
lovely and sometimes whenthere's no talking, there is
communication, but it's nottalking.
I love that and sometimes I'llsay, I'm really sorry, but this
might look boring no.
(49:20):
No.
It's fine.
But you can be stood there for,like, forty minutes, And I can't
tell him what I'm doing becauseit's just allowing.
Perfect.
It's allowing.
I've got to backtrack a littlebecause as you were talking,
little voice said to me, tellTom about your TMJ on your right
(49:41):
and literally, I've got a fewpeople talking to me, tell me
about my TMJ and get him toexplain.
Tom (49:50):
Yeah.
See, now they're giving me afocal point, right, of
physiological rather than what'sgoing on Move your hand so I can
see a little bit more.
I'm looking at that energy.
Okay.
It's pushed your cranium, yourOA.
Now the TMJ is not The primaryissue there.
Ronnie (50:11):
Can I just trace?
Because what they show me isYeah.
Yeah.
Down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I wanna go up it downagain.
So it's almost like I wanna dodoes that make sense to you?
Tom (50:23):
Yes.
So what I'm seeing is Yeah.
Very common dysfunction.
Okay fine.
I'm listening rather thanseeing.
Your sphenoid is shifted.
Off is one of your things, butyour OA, occipital adlanto joint
right there is the biggie, andthe TMJ is really synced to
that.
Unless you have teeth or otherissues or nerve issues down
(50:45):
here, yeah.
That's that.
And then what they're reallyshowing me is the Right veil
nerve on you.
The ventral is occluded andthat's causing problems on the
whole right side of the body alittle, and it kinda transfers
over the left leg, I take it alittle but I see it more of a
cranial balancing And I thinkyou had a pretty good old injury
(51:05):
on the right shoulder, upperupper area.
Is that true?
Ronnie (51:09):
Oh, do you know what?
I fell off my horse a long time
Tom (51:12):
Yeah.
And your lungs in spasm there.
So I'll do it on me.
This is your right side.
So the if an organ goes intospasm.
It will dominate these energiesof organs are very powerful, and
I mean energies, not justphysiological.
And they will dominate tissuearound them like nobody's
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business.
So the technical term for thatis visceral somatic dominance.
And when an organ goes in spasm,it will automatically be hooked
to at least two to threemuscles, and they will go in
spasm with it and they will notbe released no matter what
massage and what kinds of lasersyou use until you clear the
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organ's dysfunction.
So I see an dorsal upper, right,lung lobe that's in spasm, this
is not talking to you like, ohmy god.
I'm in pain.
But yet, if you don't clearthat, this will never fully
release.
The other one is there's a veincoming out of the heart, the
biggest vein on the upper side.
It's called subclavian andthat's blocked, and then the
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juggler can't drain, so yourwhole right tranium is backing
up and so that's kind ofstraightforward Downstream left
brain protocol.
However, boy, is that a bigdeal?
And vagal nerve dysfunction ismassive in terms of
Consciousness and flow, andthat's a whole major topic to
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discussion what the ventralvagal really is is Fascinating.
K.
And I'll just say somethingbriefly.
It emanates out of Medulla righthere.
And what's really interesting,it's super easy for anybody to
pick it up, and they go, oh mygod.
Yeah.
I feel that.
So you can tell if it's workingand if it isn't working and
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yours isn't working on that sidebecause of the structure around
it, but the ventral vagal,there's four Vagal nerves, two
left, two right.
The ventral vagal is the new onethat's the big one in
Consciousness circles and PTSDcircles because it has so much
impact on the way we view theworld and react to it and stay
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in balance.
What I find with it from a bodyworking standpoint, let's use
that, is the only structure I'veever seen that Can be blocked
like all structures, but itcannot be contaminated.
That is a massively profoundStatement that I'm sure would be
met with arrogance in mostcircles, but I've never seen it
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contaminated.
Other things get weakened theyget toxic.
They get distorted.
This one can be blocked, but itcannot be contaminated, and it
goes everywhere.
It's like a divine regulator.
So it's a big deal to get thatnerve working and make sure it
gets down into the rest of thebody, oh, it's huge.
Ronnie (54:00):
Wow.
Can you help me.
Tom (54:01):
Yeah.
In your area, there has to be agood cranial person.
Craniosacral person at least.
And it is part of osteo, butpeople kinda Focus in on that,
and that is all about gettingthat to open.
Whether or not they know how toget the vagal nerve, that would
be A good skilled person wouldnow, but just getting the OA to
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open.
And one of the things you can dois ask for guidance and You can
buy something for it, but youcan get, like, two, like, tennis
balls.
Put them at the end of an oldsock and tie them off.
And you put your occipitalprotuberances, right, your head
on it and just lay back andallow your brain stem, which
comes in through to relax and alot of times, be surprised how
(54:44):
much you can do with that.
Ronnie (54:45):
I think I've heard that
before from Yeah.
Tom (54:47):
Well, you know, in a lot of
even human massage classes, they
will Have the client lay ontheir back, and they'll come up
underneath the head like thisand lift, and people often will
go out they'll just you know, gointo dream state, and that's the
technique, that's the beginningof that technique of opening up
this limbic system through thebrain stem.
(55:08):
You know, it's funny uh, veryastute, aware, woo woo neuro
people that I know.
I mean, talking aboutneurosurgeons even, k, that I
Have listened to our ourcolleagues.
I'll ask them, like, where's thebiggest most important part that
you work on on the brain and Ikeep thinking they're gonna say
prefrontal cortex Sorry.
You know, hypothalamus.
And they say, no the expensivereal estate in the brains is the
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brain stem.
It's the limbic it's the simplerOne, because it's the one that's
doing all the distortion.
It's kinda fascinating.
So we can't be divine creatureswalking the earth with a
dysfunctional limbic system.
Doesn't work that way.
And most of us have some degreeof it.
You know we really do.
Interesting.
So you get some eye distortionsfrom this as well?
(55:54):
Yeah.
No.
But I mean intermittently.
Ronnie (55:56):
One is is weaker than
the other.
Yes.
Tom (55:58):
A good training will work
up through and in there and
flowing down that would be yourbasic clearing there.
Now why it's there is totallydifferent issue.
You know?
And and if we address that, itmight just go on its own without
any technique.
You know?
Ronnie (56:12):
Yeah.
We might be a few more hours,Tom,
Tom (56:14):
That inevitably is what
they were asking.
So I would just lead people todon't forget that these
dysfunctions that are buggingyou for the longest time, That
are harder to clear no matterwhat you do are, in fact, an
area of path that you need tolook at.
Mhmm.
And that's why we need peopleLike you that are skill
intuitives that maybe canilluminate that.
Ronnie (56:37):
I just love how the
conversation's gone and this is
why I talk about intuition in inyour guidance, to trust it and
to not be afraid to say itbecause unless you're You never
do it with intention to hurt orto make somebody feel small, you
always do it with the rightintentions.
And If it's not taken or theother person can't acknowledge
(56:59):
it, that's fine.
Because if you couldn't haveacknowledged that, we'd have
moved on but I trust it enoughnow to say, As I mentioned about
the heart, the feminine heart,that if it's coming through,
it's meant to be said, and thisis why I'm here.
I don't ask the bigger picture.
As you said about when you'retouching the horse, you don't
have to ask all the questions.
I want to know.
Just trust and I just trust thatit's mentioned for a reason.
(57:26):
So what you were saying to me isalso regarding a horse too, so I
was well aware that that's whythere was giving me that
information too.
Um, so that's very yeah.
That's interesting.
That's been helpful.
Tom (57:38):
I love how you say that you
feel it coming through, Like the
divine heart, so therefore, ithas to be clear and it should be
said.
Ronnie (57:47):
So it's like a
frequency.
There's frequencies, billions ofthem all over, and they're
always Talking, but we don'thear them because otherwise we'd
go a bit insane because you knowthat's what protection is.
Wanna mean protection?
I don't mean there's bad things.
It's just like, like microwave.
Oh, yeah and when you Justacknowledge that you've sent
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something or you hear something,that's the first like, tuning in
and then if I get messages, Imight just get a feeling I've
got a message I know who it'sfor because the person's popped
in or the horse has popped inand it's not always horse
related, but That's the doorwayin and often I'm in my car
because I'm not focused on toomany things.
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I'm driving, And then it's like,okay she's present.
Let's get through now and I geta feeling or a word, and I pull
over, and I'm saying the word.
I'm feeling the feeling, andthen I go, okay and I start to
record or to type the message,and then the rest of the
information comes through.
The planet is one aspect.
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We, as humans, are ants a on aplanet, And then the planet is
part of the universe, and thatuniverse is part of something
else and something else andsomething else.
We could be searching out therethinking, what is it?
Where is it?
You know, where are we headingto?
What's that in space?
Look what's in here because thatis part of it, and you're gonna
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understand more and gain morefrom that than looking I'm
wishing to be on a star becausethe star is part of you.
And it sounds very out there,But it's not because
everything's connected.
Otherwise, I won't be able tolisten to a communication.
I won't be able to link in asyou were talking to what was
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coming through.
There's connections all thetime, and they go to which is
the easiest route to get to, thesame as lightning.
It will find the easiest,quickest route to get to where
it needs to go.
Tom (59:43):
It's efficient.
Yes.
The universe is efficient and II live for the passionate
moments when I get a taste of itover and over When you can get a
sense of your true power, andit's so far vast beyond what we
think it is and, I think we areour own star as well, and that
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that's coming out of the heart.
And, I really think horses arethere to say, yes.
Yes.
Wake up you know, becomeyourself trust your Your energy
inside even more than you see onthe outside.
Mhmm.
And things happen on the outsidemuch better.
The inner manifestation existson the outside more.
So yeah and horses know this.
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Not all.
They can be Closed down prettygood in our culture, especially
with neurotoxic feeds and otherthings.
But by and large, they willawaken, and It is just common
knowledge to them, and they workon a collective consciousness
consciously All the time.
(01:00:49):
I mean, all the time.
Yeah.
A lot of times for me to help ahorse, I have to Ask them to
call in their ancestors and orif it was a young foal or a
horse that when they were youngwas suddenly taken from mother,
that is a huge dysfunction as itwould be for human.
And I ask them to call in themother and have her alive or
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not, and have her finish hereducation and that is a long
process on a human, on a horse,it's within seconds you see them
energetically looking up in aphysical realm, seeing it,
acknowledge it, and thenAllowing the download.
And people that have never seenthat authentically know that
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that indeed just happened andThings change right on the spot
shifts occur instantly on ahorse physically from that.
Just answer.
There's my left brain skeptic.
See?
Now that I did that and italways has to have that traction
with me.
I'm still running that skeptic,and it it's over and over that
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way.
And so the other one that reallymesses with people is when
you've had experiences eithersudden or numerous ones over
time of disdain where parts ofyour soul are outside the heart.
They're out there.
So that's soul retrieval.
And on a horse that is very Idon't wanna say simple, but, you
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know, it's prettystraightforward on how to do
that with the right intention,and it has a true physical
moment Where that divinefeminine energy embraces the
masculine, and it has a hugethud back into the heart, and
the entire horse will shudderwith it.
And that's when, you know, it'sreinvigorated, rein integrated
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as well.
So yeah it's fascinating.
I think we just work atdifferent perspectives on the
same thing.
You know?
Ronnie (01:02:44):
It's Fascinating talking
to you, and so strange because,
obviously, you don't know me.
I don't know you really.
I mean, I heard you on Warwick,and I thought, oh, What a lovely
interview, and it was it was sowarm and then it was through one
of my listeners that theymentioned to you, and I said,
oh, perhaps I'll ask Tom ifyou'd like to come on.
And, of course, she said yes,which is like, oh my goodness, I
(01:03:05):
was so pleased.
Can I share a little story, itis a little story.
Yeah.
So Quite a few years ago, I wentto see a lady, and she practiced
shamanic and soul retrieval, butI didn't go for that and often
people talk about NativeAmericans and their spirit
guides are Native American, andit's the in thing and that's not
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saying anything against that,but I sort of avoided that side
anyway.
And She did a drumming, and wasdoing something else.
And she says, how old are you?
And she started doing thedrumming, and I could my body
going, and instantly, there wasa seven year old in this cave.
It's funny because I was gonnatell you another story, but my
intuitionist Wanted me to sharethis story Interesting.
(01:03:48):
In literally seconds, so that'sinteresting.
Uh-huh and I was in this cave,and as I'm saying that, I can
feel my heart Tightening.
And she was in this cave, andshe was curled up and the lady
says, what do you see?
And I said, oh, I see her.
She's curled up inside of thiscave.
It's a stone cave, there'snothing there.
It's just this cave.
And she says, so go up to herand speak to her.
(01:04:12):
Say her name.
So in my mind, I walked up toher and said, hello, And she
wouldn't turn around.
And then she said to me, what isshe doing?
I said she won't look at me.
So she says, speak to her gentlyand just reassure her that,,
that everything's okay.
And if she wants she can comewith you Uh, so I went back to
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the child, and I said to her, Iwant him to cry, by the way, so
there's still residue there.
So I said to the child, give meyour hand, and I will guide you.
I will take you, and you will beokay and there was more, but she
turned around, and she came andshe hugged me.
Now that was me hugging me, it'sa child hugging me.
(01:04:56):
Sure.
And it wasn't like a, wow.
This is amazing.
I was almost observing it,seeing it and feeling it.
When I came back, she said tome, they call it soul She
mentioned.
Yes.
Uh, but she says you'veretrieved essence of you that's
been trapped in your cells and Isaid, okay.
She says, but do notunderestimate the power of what
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you've just done, so I wentaway, and I thought, Well I saw
it, but, um, that night, I hadthese amazing dreams, and it was
Can you remember when you usedto get these black card and you
scratch drawings, and it'd bewhite underneath?
It'd be like wax.
Yeah.
And it was almost like a flickbook, And there was all these
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white drawings of animals, allkinds of animals, horses, dogs,
cats, tigers, elephants,Animals, as I flick, there was
all these animals, and it wasalmost like it was bombarding
me, this vision.
It was very, very sharp.
And I woke up, and I had towrite it down and I've got it
somewhere, and it's a longjournal of this dream and about
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the the eagle and the and thebirds.
Now I don't know why I've sharedthat story because that's not
the one I was initially going toshare, so that's interesting.
But the next part of the storywith the same lady was, I wanted
to know why I couldn't help andhere we go again, motion.
Why Why can I help other peoplein their horses?
(01:06:26):
But when it comes to mind, it'sso much harder.
And she showed me, A vision.
And she's, what I see is youmany years ago, and I was a male
Riding bareback on a horse,stood on the horse's back, and
there was lots of white horses,and it was in a camp with
teepees.
(01:06:47):
And, she said, you are a youngmale, and you are riding these
horses.
There's no fear.
You're on the back, and thesehorses will do anything for you.
And I think I was important inthe community Because she said
everybody is watching you, andyou is playing around, and your
father kept saying to you, donot disrespect the horse.
(01:07:07):
And I was saying, I'm fine,they'll be fine.
They'll be safe.
And what happened was through mystupidity, I was became injured.
And I vow to come back and putright what I did there by
helping other horses.
Tom (01:07:25):
Interesting.
Ronnie (01:07:26):
And I can't prove that
and it wasn't like I was looking
for that story to immortalizewhat I do, but that was the
story that was presented to me.
But as she said that, oh my godthis emotion came out And I just
cried but it was painful cry,and I thought I can feel that
deep to my core.
So even if that's not actualfactual, she's engaged in an
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energy that's been stagnant andheld in my body, my physical.
Tom (01:07:51):
Yeah.
That's a deeper journey than fora sold retrieval.
You know what I mean and did youhave any sense of in what way
the horse was injured?
Ronnie (01:08:00):
I think the horse died.
Yeah I can see it now.
The horse is on his side, and Iwas so sorry, and I made a
promise to the horse yeah, Imade a promise to the horse's
energy that I will respect thehorse, and I will give back what
I, What I did.
Yeah.
And, actually horses wereimportant because they Needed
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the host to survive to do whatthey need to do.
So it wasn't just about foolingaround.
What happened is I injured apart of their family, which
could not fulfill its destiny.
Tom (01:08:34):
My sense my sense is is
that in that experience, The the
horse went down, and to, to saveyou and not land on you, it
broke its neck.
Okay and I think probably later,if you go into your jaw, your
right head, and see what thatFeels like you may find the
(01:08:56):
unwinding there full Yeah.
In that experience.
So there's a deeper I mean,we're going way back and stuff
than if you were to go to theyoung child in the cave and
bring it into three d terms alittle more.
Try to find the general age ofher at the time.
What was the primary cause inthis lifetime When you really
(01:09:22):
had a major energetic hit whereyou closed off and Maybe you
don't need to know everythingabout it, but the essence of it
so that that energy can mobilizeand transmute back to beauty
that is profound, it may takeeverything with it.
So I see that always in thenumber one story that comes up,
(01:09:43):
and I'm being guided all thetime on people.
It happened when you were threeor seven.
For whatever reason, those twoOr sometimes fourteen.
I don't know why those numbers,but if you go back to those
times, many people can rememberwhen they were told, don't be
talking about grandpa he'spassed.
You know?
Everybody still got that intheir DNA that we get burned at
(01:10:05):
the stake if we have a childthat can see.
Right?
And so, that often is severe toa child's ability to be
themselves, and I would imaginethat you were a prime candidate
for that.
Regardless, our parents or evensomewhat open would probably
shut us off back then.
Ronnie (01:10:22):
I don't remember what it
is, but my grandparents were
very You weren't allowed to playoutside on a Sunday and at the
time, I think we were livingthere for some reason my parents
had to move in withGrandparents.
And, so that feels like thatsort of time but I can't
remember but I think I've I'vebeen told that I did, but I
(01:10:43):
can't remember physically.
Tom (01:10:44):
It does have your right jaw
written all over it.
Yeah.
Ronnie (01:10:49):
Who knew that this
interview is gonna be a
diagnosis contest?
Tom (01:10:53):
In their life.
So, you know, we do all the highend physio you can do in
cranial.
It probably come back.
It will help, certainly, makeclear a ton of it.
But in your case, you don't getto get let off And just take an
aspirin and everything's fine.
Right?
Unfortunately, that's the way weare you gotta go into the to the
depth and I'm pretty sure thedepth is yeah.
(01:11:14):
They're telling me it's notpretty sure.
That's the depth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it also represents yourability to, right jaw will talk
to emotional and the right jobwill go into dysfunction with
Severe emotional hold that youdon't wanna deal with, and it
(01:11:34):
will physically create aweakness in your right scapula,
your right ilium, and your, leftglute constantly.
That's a known appliedkinesiology pattern and the left
jaw does it the opposite way andyou could show that all day long
on people.
But You think about what theright jaw speaking your truth to
(01:11:54):
others means.
See?
Kinda like that.
Yeah.
Which you do, But you're rightanyway, it's right there.
That's sort of the thing thatyou play with and then you go
verify, like, on a person or ahorse and it Has, you know,
efficacy, and you see theresults.
Without results, I gotta see itgrow corn.
You know?
Ronnie (01:12:13):
Yes so yeah, that's been
helpful.
Definitely.
Tom (01:12:17):
Yeah.
It's fascinating.
Ronnie (01:12:19):
This has been a really
good conversation, Tom.
Yes, sir.
If there's something that youcould say to anybody listening
that's wanting to understand thehorses a bit more and to start
somewhere.
What advice would you give them?
Obviously, you've got yourwebsite and your page.
Well, if they just wanna go off,use your intuition.
(01:12:40):
Tell them What you do?
It
Tom (01:12:41):
it would be more broad in
that the first thing I would do
is encourage them to Get quietand see if you have a memory you
know, a memory where you wereReally touching who you are, and
everything was so exciting andrelaxed and yet vibrant and
(01:13:04):
invulnerable, all of thosethings.
Spirit doesn't it doesn't wantgruffness and machinist, but it
wants certainty, and it ispowerful.
And, We need to get rid of ourbelief that we aren't, and
that's a major dysfunction.
So if you can touch the essenceof who you are, The essence of
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who you'll be when you leaveyour physical body, that's your
frequency.
That's your soul.
That's your light body.
If you can just barely touch itAnd embrace it and allow that
energy to run many things shift.
Your ability To interact withthe horses will shift
automatically, then begin to tryto do that with your horse or
with a horse.
(01:13:46):
I connected willing horse is keyin the beginning, and you can do
it, and I'm sure you haveeverybody has a lot of ways how
they Physically interact withthe horse that way.
At some point, put your righthand on the heart.
They'll bind the elbow where theheart is closest to your right,
though you can get to itclosest, and begin not
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physically, Not the masculine,but the divine feminine.
Begin to use your intention anduse the energy going through
your hand, your heart energythrough your hand, In through
the skin, through the rib cage,through that lining, through the
pericardium, into the horse, andtherein you will find, Uh, if
(01:14:30):
you're able to read it, you willjust you will just begin to take
a walk into the center of whothey are.
If you have a horse that won'tlet you in there, then you have
other work to do and or they do.
It could be both.
But I would say that is theessence of the equals there.
It's in there.
It's who they are.
(01:14:51):
And if you suddenly feel, andmany of you will suddenly, if
you stay there, the heart willgo into a spasm a little bit.
And what I would say then isthen bring the masculine in and
put physical pressure there, andyou'll feel The heart nudge into
position and that happens on adaily basis.
It literally will move an inch,sometimes half inch, sometimes
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two inches back into balance.
And lots of things changed atthat point.
Good acupressure is still a veryphenomenal Modality to touch
deeper, but what I would say is,traditional Chinese medicine
will have you Work the acupointas a superficial structure,
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which it is, but in reality,it's a web like connective
thing.
So you can work that tissue andfeel it relax and come into a
dance, a motility.
Every structure has this dance,but what I would say is then
Quit doubting yourself and sendthe energy in and just allow it
to take wherever it needs to go,and you'll find that you can Go
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way into the structure andaffect things on a deeper
heartfelt basis and to me, thisis just who we are, Who we've
forgotten to be.
The most doubtful people oftenare the most deep three or four
days later in a clinic, And it'sa massive transformation in who
they are and I would just sayexplore the depths from from the
(01:16:23):
inside out.
And Equiz has a ton to tell you.
And then just trust what comesin.
Like, I'm sure you've said andI've heard you say on podcast,
it isn't if the intuition isworking.
It's really it's just can youtune to it?
Can you Allow it to come in, andpretty soon, you'll pick up the
frequency and go, uh, that's notmy thought.
That's not my inclination.
(01:16:44):
That's not me wanting to be.
That's really coming in, andthen you can go verify.
Ronnie (01:16:49):
That's lovely.
Thank you so much, Tom it's beenan pleasure chatting with you,
and I could chat for hours andI've got lots of things that I'd
like to ask you, I would love ifyou'd like to.
I'd love to have you back again.
That would be really, reallynice at your lesure and your
time.
I would love to.
Yeah.
I would love to.
Thank you so much.
(01:17:09):
So if you'd like to say bye tothe listeners Take care.
Bye bye.
Brilliant.
What an amazing, lovely guy.
It never ceases to amaze me andthe conversation went to its own
route, which it does and youknow me.
the people that listen to mypodcast know That's how I work.
You know there's no realguidelines.
It goes where it wants to go.
(01:17:30):
This is a really goodconversation that I think people
would be interested in.
If you want to get in touch withTom or myself, please do so.
Thank you for those of you thatdid