April 5, 2025 • 65 mins
Why is it not surprising that vengeful ghosts are almost always women!?
Follow me down a winding path of ghosts from around the world who have been hurt and wronged and linger on to torment the people who hurt them.
Lets do better and be nicer to women please !
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Hello and welcome to Esoterica and Nonsense, a podcast where we
discuss myths, legends, folk tales, fairy tales, supernatural
phenomenon and religions from around the world.
I'm your host Annabelle AKA PepeAKA Pepperbell, and I am back
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after an unspecified hiatus you can do the math people.
It's been so intense these days.My heart goes out to everyone on
planet Earth. Sadly, we live in an era of late
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stage imperialism and I see so many human beings destroy the
planet and destroy each other, both figuratively and literally.
Recently, last month, I learned that someone very close to me
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who I consider family lost theirmother to a fentanyl overdose.
And yeah, I just want to be transparent about that because
it's been on my mind and I just,I think sometimes maybe I'll
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speak for myself, but it can be easy to forget how close we are,
how close I am to not being OK. You know, I'm very fortunate and
have had the blessings to live abeautiful life.
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And I've made choices that have helped my health and safety, but
not every day is a good day. And sometimes when we aren't
feeling our best, we don't make the best decisions.
And I, I've just been feeling really grateful that I in this
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moment and am healthy and safe. And I just have so much love and
compassion for everyone, especially for people who seem
to die young or, or really, whatI mean is like to die at a time
that feels too soon, you know? And I'm, I'm burning some Palo
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Santo right now just in her memory.
It was the first time I saw the body of someone that I had known
personally. And yeah, it really changed my
life. I've really just been thinking
about everything. I feel like I've been getting
like the stereotypical montage they have in movies where your
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life flashes before your eyes. So with that being said, I
decided that I wanted to do an episode about ghosts and
specifically female ghosts specifically like women ghosts.
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And a big inspiration for this episode is the film that I
recently saw a few days ago called UMM.
It's a beautiful film and if youhaven't seen it, you might want
to wait to listen to this episode because I am going to
tell you some spoilers. But it's still going to be worth
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seeing. I'm not going to spoil the whole
movie, but if you really want tobe surprised, I recommend you
watch the movie in Circle back. But this movie is incredible and
it stars Sandra Oh. Shout out to Sandra Oh, you're
incredible. I'm a huge fan and it really
centers around mother, the concept of mother and and the
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concept of being a mother and what you pass down to your
child. And so in this film, Sandra Oh
was 1st generation. I think she was born, her
character was raised by people who had emigrated from Korea and
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her mother was very cruel. And because of that, Sandra O
ended up becoming estranged fromher mother and her mother dies
before she sees her again and starts manifesting as a ghost.
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And this movie really struck a chord within me because I do
believe that that there are different kinds of ghosts that
that manifest for different reasons.
But I do think one of the most common ghosts are are people who
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have unfinished business in someway, who are not ready to re
materialize into a new form. And so they choose to haunt or
really like be present to finishsomething.
Often that is some kind of revenge, either a very obvious
revenge, right? Like the classic would be like a
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warrior who, who never killed his nemesis.
But I think sometimes it's also,it can be resentments.
It can be towards a family member or a sibling or or what
have you. And I'm, I think I shared this
on an episode of my podcast. But last year I started doing a
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lot more meditation and a lot more Akashic deep diving, and I
was able to contact some of my own ancestors, I guess, like in
the meditation space, I don't know what the fuck you call it.
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And I saw some horrifying things.
And now I'm not saying that every ancestor I had was a
horrible person, but the one that needed the help was the
person who had experienced the most horrific things and then
ended up doing horrific things, right?
So anyway, these are the things that have been on my mind.
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Trauma, pain, terror, sorrow. These emotions live on from
generation to generation. They're passed on through our
bloodlines and through our connections, both physically and
ephemerally. Right?
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So let's talk about ghosts. And we're also going to talk
about a ghost story of mine. But first, let's get into some,
let's get into some deeds. So the first, what do we call
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her? First, we're going to talk about
the guiche, the guichean, and really I just want to preface
that this episode is about female ghosts, women ghosts.
So the first is the guichin. This is the style of ghost that
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is kind of featured in the film I mentioned and it is a ghost
from Korean folklore. The guichin is a specific kind
of ghost and they are most oftendepicted as dead people who have
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not moved on specifically because of unfinished business,
strong emotions, and or improperfuneral.
Funeral rites though, this is like the basic definition.
Most often the guichin are depicted as pale women with long
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black hair wearing white funeralrobes and having no feet.
Another thing I find interesting, this just kind of
popped into my mind that in the West we associate the color
white with weddings. Like a woman in a white dress is
associated with a wedding dress.Now from what I understand, this
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is kind of a newer thing. Queen Victoria wore a white
dress at her wedding to indicatethat she was a virgin.
And then it became popular. And now like it seems everyone
gets married in a white dress. But in a lot of cultures in the
East, white is associated with death now.
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Like, not exclusively, for example, but I do know in a lot
of places in India, if someone is wearing a white head to toe,
it is like a symbol of mourning,you know?
So I do think that's very interesting that in sorry in
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Korean culture that the white robes are worn for the funeral.
So the origins of the guichin come from older Korean
mysticism, parts of Buddhism andConfucianism as well.
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And really their belief is that the soul separates from the body
at death, and if the body is notproperly cared for and the soul
is not properly guided, the soulcan become restless and there
from there turn into a guichin. It is very important, this
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process of transitioning to the afterlife and that they have a,
a term known as like the next World, which is geosung.
And this process of being able to transition into the next
World is crucial. I do want to note that they kind
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of touched on it a little bit inthe film Amma.
But like a lot of this does feelcoded in like like instilling
fear in your children to respectyou.
But in essence, I do believe this.
I do believe that if somebody isdeeply disrespected during life
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or or after death, they, they'remore likely to manifest as a
ghost. I, I buy this, I really do.
So there are actually different kinds of Guishin.
So one of them is known as the Chunyo Guishin.
And again, I'm so sorry about mypronunciation, but the Chunyo
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Guishin means the virgin ghost. And this is like the most
classic, the most famous. I mean, obviously, like, we know
how it is out here in a patriarchal society.
They love the young virgin. So of course, the virgin ghost
is often a young, unmarried woman who died somehow, and
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she's resentful because according to the Confucian
tradition of woman's life was incomplete without marriage and
children. These virgin ghosts are known to
haunt abandoned buildings, mountains, or bodies of water.
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Interesting. And there are.
This is very similar to the Woman in white trope that we see
in the West a lot, which we'll discuss in a second.
Then there is the Mongol Gwishin, which is known as the
Bachelor Ghost. This is actually a male
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depiction of the Gwishin, and he's also an unmarried man who
died and wanders the world in loneliness.
They're often described in legends where they seek Gwishin
to marry them in the afterlife. That's actually kind of cute.
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I would love to watch. I'd love to read a story about
ghosts dating each other in the afterlife.
That's really nice. So next we have the Mulguishin,
which is known as the water ghost.
These are spirits who drowned and were not given proper,
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proper burials. They're known to linger in
bodies of water and pull others down to replace them, allowing
them to move on. They're often linked to vengeful
spirits. OK, this is unlocking a memory.
Years ago, when I was like in the second or third grade, I
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found a book in my library and it was the first novel that I
was able to read cover to cover.I think I read it in three days.
I was hooked to this book and itwas called Wait Till Helen
Comes. Have you heard of this book?
You probably haven't. Shout it.
Write an e-mail in if you read this book as a kid, I was
riveted. It was this incredible ghost
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story. And it was about a girl whose
mother had remarried. So she had this new step sister
who was kind of annoying and shewas kind of a narc and she
didn't really want to live with her step sister.
And they are her family ends up moving to an an old abandoned
church and there's a graveyard next to their church.
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And her little sister like starts talking to her imaginary
friend. She has this imaginary friend
that she makes when they move named Helen.
And the girl, like the main character of this book kind of
writes it off because her step sister is younger than her, so
she thinks she's just like a dumb little kid and thinks she
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just has some imaginary friend. But as the book continues, like,
things start getting really creepy.
All these creepy things happen, but eventually she finds a
grave, like outside of the graveyard next to a tree.
And it's a grave for Helen who like died at like 11 years old
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and then ends up finding out through her step sister that
Helen drowned in the lake by their house.
So at the end, like the the climax of the book is in the
middle of the night, her step sister ends up sleepwalking,
going to the lake to go quote UNquote, swimming with Helen.
But Helen is trying to drown herso that she has a friend in the
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afterlife. I just think this is so
interesting because I do hear parallel stories like all around
the world or like, sometimes it's not always drowning, right?
Sometimes it's like tragic deaths.
But I always think it's so interesting and I, I, I wonder,
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like I wonder in freak accidents, how often people, if
people are ever being persuaded by ghosts or like and, or
imperceivable forces. Like what if you're having
thoughts that aren't yours and they're being put there by a
ghost who wants you to be their friend in the afterlife?
Just saying, right? That's crazy.
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OK, This is one of my personal favorites.
The next iteration of GUI Shin is known as the Dalgal GUI Shin,
which is known as the egg ghost.Stop it.
I'm the egg ghost. Can you call me that?
So these ghosts are known as theegg ghost because they are
faceless. So their their faces resemble
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smooth eggs. That's unsettling.
That's really not cool. They are considered extremely
ominous. Yeah.
Yeah, you could say that. And they lack identity in
connection to humanity. Oh my God, that's so scary.
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Oh my God. OK then another honorable
mention of the GUI Shing is the Jiosiang Saja.
Fuck. Damn, I wish I, I wish I was
better at pronouncing these things.
If if you know how to pronounce these things properly, write in.
If you grew up hearing stories about this, please write in.
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Oh my God, I would love to talk with you.
These are known as the death messengers.
They are not exactly ghosts, butthey are like green green.
They're grim Reaper style entities and they're known to
escort souls into the afterlife.They often will dress in black
classic and they wear these traditional hats known as gut.
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They're not considered good or evil, but they are terrifying to
those who resist death. Oh my God, yeah.
I I will say though, out of all of these, this this smooth egg
situation is by far the worst. Imagine if a woman in a long
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white dress and long black hair with an with a smooth egg face,
a faceless face shows up. That's bad news.
Give me a context where it's good news.
It's bad fucking news. Let's take a break.
Planet Earth can be a terrifyingplace sometimes.
Why is that? Because of humanity, Human
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beings. However, I would like to remind
you that planet Earth is a beautiful planet, and a big
reason why is because of plants.Plants are amazing.
Plants are so magical. Plants are the original OG life
force on this planet. Plants can heal us and plants
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necessitate our health. This is your reminder.
Maybe you should plant a plant this year.
If you're worried about plants, maybe you can have a succulent
like an agave. Agave are amazing because it's
almost impossible to kill agave and you can use them.
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On your skin you can use them ifyou have a sunburn, you can use
them for moisturization. You can actually drink the pulp
if you ever have a cold. Plants are incredible.
The list goes on and you alreadyknow, but research some plants.
Plant a house and plant a house.No Plant a plant within your
house. Maybe plant a tree outside of
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your house. Everyone on Earth planted a
tree. Today that would be almost 8
billion more trees. Let's do this as a teen baby and
we're back. You know what's so wild?
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When I was a kid, I so desperately like wanted there to
be ghosts around. And I was just obsessed with
anything ghost related. Like, I just loved stories about
ghosts. And I wish I could, like, see
ghosts. And I literally lived in a
haunted house once only for about a a year, I think.
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Yeah, I think it was about a year.
And I was so in denial that it was haunted.
I think it I think the reason why was because it was too scary
if I admitted that it was haunted to myself.
But I lived in this house in in this small, small town in the
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East Bay called Piedmont. And this fucking town is so
haunted because it was built by East Coast railroad tycoons.
And the particular land that they started building on during
the 17, mostly the 1800s. But they were building the
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railroad up and down the West Coast and they found this little
pocket of the Oakland hills where elk and deer would have
their babies. So it was a perfect hunting
ground, which is horrible because even the natives, the
aloni in the area, would never hunt there because of course it
was sacred land where babies were born.
You don't hunt or the babies arebeing born.
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Of course, white railroad tycoons didn't fucking care,
started building summer homes there, and then eventually it
became its own city because theydidn't want to pay taxes to
Oakland. Go figure.
It's a three square mile town. It's haunted as fuck.
It's weird as fuck. I have so many weird stories I
can tell you. These people are so weird.
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It's like a cult. There's no restaurants in this
town. It's three square miles.
There's like a gas station. There's three banks and some
schools. I mean, it is.
It is like truly a gated community.
It's not gated, but it might as well be because the they have
their own Police Department and they patrol the fuck out of it.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. So I lived in this house for one
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year while I was there and therewas an attic and we were, I was
juiced about this attic because it was like a real attic.
I had like a legit staircase that went up into the attic and
it was like it was like a cool little like TV room.
We like put ATV up there and it had like the vaulted ceilings.
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It was like a proper attic. It just had like a legit
staircase. And then there was like a real
room. It had like a door that was like
a legit room. So that room that like small
room in the attic that had a door had the worst vibes, like
horrible vibes, like creepy vibes.
I I couldn't even be in there. It was like weird.
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And my brother used to play in there, which checks out because
he, he's the worst. Anyway, so this attic was
creepy. And like, so, so for example,
sometimes I'd come home from school and I would like, feel
like someone's watching me and I'd look up into the attic and I
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would never see anyone. But I was like, oh, I could
like, I could feel it, you know.So I would always assume that my
brother was home. So I'd always come home and be
like, hello. And like, no one would be there.
But I was like, sure, I could like tell someone was there.
And sometimes I'd hear like footsteps upstairs.
So I'd always go into the attic and like no one would be there.
So of course I'd always be like,oh, it's just an old house or
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whatever. But then eventually, like, I
started memorizing all the creaks in the house because I
would always like, scare my brother, right?
I like what I like try to like come up behind him and scare the
fuck out of him. So I started memorizing all the
creaks in, in the wood floor andeventually I like memorized all
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the creaks in the wood stairs and I like knew which stairs
creaked And so I could like avoid all the creaks and then
like jump and scare him. So sometimes I would be in the
attic and I would hear someone coming up the stairs, but like,
not, not like they were walking,like they were creeping up the
stairs. I could, I would like hear
sequentially all the different creeks in each stair.
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So I knew someone was coming. I, I had memorized the creeks
like it was like a song. So I would like sit and watch TV
and be like, Oh yeah, he's goingto come scare me.
I'm fucking ready. And I would like wait and then
turn around to kind of be like, got ya.
And no one would be there and itwould freak me out.
And then I'd like look at the stairs.
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No one would be there. And I would like, I would just
tell myself I was tripping, right?
So one day I was home alone after school.
And so I wasn't in the attic. I was on the second story.
So I would, I was actually standing really close to the
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door that led to the attic, but I was standing in the hallway on
the second story and I hear thisbreathing.
Like I'm telling you, it's not exactly like that.
And immediately I actually wasn't scared because we had pug
dogs. We had three pugs and we had one
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that was like super old and he had all these fucking health
problems. So I was like, oh, that must be
Hugo. Like Hugo sounds really fucked
up though. Like, because it almost to me,
it sounded like a human. It sounded like a human man.
But I was like, well, you know, it's obviously the dog.
But then I was realizing that this, this dog, Hugo was blind.
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He never came upstairs ever. He was, he had never been on the
second story of this house. And I was like, that's fucking
weird. How did he get up here?
So I started like looking aroundand I was like, where is this
coming from? And at first I thought it was
coming from my brother's room. And I was like, this doesn't
make sense. My brother's an asshole.
Like, why would Hugo go into hisroom?
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This is so weird. But then I realized it wasn't
the noise wasn't coming from my brother's room.
It was coming from the fucking hallway.
So I'm standing in the hallway and I was like, where the fuck
is this noise coming from? And I realized it was coming
from one of the vents we had. It was like an old house.
It was at least 100 years old. So there was this like old
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school metal vent and that that's where this breathing was
coming from. And it hadn't stopped.
It kept going this like, so that's when I was like, oh, OK,
it's coming from the vent. I bet you that our dog Hugo is
sleeping next to the vent and the noise is just traveling.
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So I was like, oh perfect, everything's fine.
This is not, you know, everything's everything's
normal. However, above the vent was a
window that looked into her backfucking yard.
And in the backyard I realized all three of my dogs were
outside playing. There was no dogs inside and
there was still this creepy ass fucking breathing.
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I tell you I ran out of that house so fucking fast I almost
pissed my pants. I ran out of the house.
I I don't even know if I locked the door.
I ran out of there. I like ran to my friend's house
who lived probably a mile away. I almost pissed.
I literally was so stressed out that I had to pee and I almost
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peed my pants multiple times. I kept running and then stopping
so I wouldn't piss myself. I finally made it to her house
and her parents were like OK like whatever.
And like already I was just feeling like I was crazy.
And then eventually like when myparents got home they just
thought I just had like a big imagination.
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But mind you I was in the 5th fucking grade and at this point
I was already a hyper vigilant child.
I was not living in fantasy worlds.
I was, I was not like, no, I wasnot this kind of kid.
But so yeah, basically my parents gaslight me to think
that I was just making things upand like, I just kind of
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stopped. Anytime I started having
thoughts about it in this house,I would just like push it away.
I'd be like, no, you know, I'm crazy.
But I'm telling you, when I was in this house, sometimes I'd get
visions of like a man upstairs, like a scary man.
Sometimes, like not when I was in the attic, I'd be in my
bedroom and I would just like belike there's a man upstairs and
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I could like sense him. And like I said, like almost
every day that I came home, I felt like someone was watching
me from the attic. It was so fucking creepy.
So the reason why I bring this up is because last night I had a
dream that I went back to this house.
I, I literally lived there for one year when I was in the 5th
grade. In my dream last night, I went
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back to this house and I was like with some friends, I took
them up into the attic and I waslike telling them about how
creepy this place was. And it was like a hoarder had
moved in. There was like headless shit in
the attic and specifically hellashit in that one creepy room.
So one of my friends, he actually wasn't my real friend.
It was like Eugene from The Walking Dead.
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So obviously this like dream is a little bit convoluted, but
Eugene like went into this, the extra creepy room and I was
like, get the fuck out of there.Do you know what you're doing?
And so, like, me and my friends were sitting at these tables in
the attic, and I was explaining to them, like, how this attic
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was haunted. And I just knew it.
Like, I knew that there was a man there and I had the sense
that he had taken his own life. I just had this feeling.
And literally as I'm explaining this, like a ghost materializes,
a man materializes. And he was a man in his like 30s
or 40s and was like, yes, I am the ghost.
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And he asked me to give him a fucking tarot reading.
And I literally gave him a full tarot reading.
And I, I sadly don't remember the tarot reading.
I can't tell it to you because Idon't know what I said.
I don't know what the reading was.
But I like gave him a hug. Dude, it was crazy.
That was my dream last night. Ghosts are real.
If you don't believe in ghosts, you just haven't experienced
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ghosts. And ghosts are super, super,
super real. And I, I really do think most of
them are just sad. They're just sad Peppers.
It's a lot like people, you know, like all, like the scary
people who are mean are usually just sad and they're masking
their sadness with aggression sothat they don't have to feel
sad. And I really do think, I, I
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really do vibe with this concept, like in, in a lot of
Eastern philosophies, especiallylike in Hinduism and Buddhism,
that like this cycle of reincarnation really has to do
with unfinished business. When you have things that are
unfulfilled, you just have to reincarnate.
You have to like finish the deedbefore you can move on.
And I, I really feel like ghostsare like an exaggerated version
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of that. Like it's hard for people to
allow themselves to let go and be reborn if if their life feels
so unfinished. And for me, that's kind of my
worst case scenario. You know, I, I'm in no rush for
my life to end, But when it's over, like it's going to be
over. Like, I'm not trying to, I'm not
trying to linger. I'm not No, no.
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Are you kidding me? No.
And it sounds so lonely. Anyway, that was my long winded
ghost story. Let's take a break.
Hey little Pepper, this is Annabelle here reporting live
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I appreciate you so much. I made this podcast to connect
with cool, freaky people like you.
So thank you so much. And we're back, dear Peppers.
So I do want to get into some other kinds of ghosts from other
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cultures that have very similar overlappings.
But I do really want to bring upa film, a Korean film that kind
of touches on this idea of like a cuisine that I highly
recommend. Of course, I brought up a lot
earlier, which is amazing and I recommend.
But technically that is an American.
It's an American film. There is a Korean film called
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The Whaling and it's made in 2016.
I know there's like another American film called The
Whaling. So if you look this up, make
sure that you look up The Whaling 2016 and that it's
Korean film. This film is amazing.
To be clear, I would definitely consider this movie a horror
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film. There are very disturbing images
and very disturbing elements andit is bone chilling.
It is amazing and it is a ghost story.
And there's also elements of, ofmysticism, shamanism, exorcisms
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like demon re. It's, it's incredible.
It is like, it was like the answer to all my prayers.
It might be like one of my favorite films just because I, I
personally feel like so many ghost stories or stories about
supernatural things are made by people that have never
experienced them and don't really understand anything about
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it. And so they often for dramatic
effect, just like make things upthat don't feel real or like
almost disrespectful. Like I'd like go to me, ghost
stories are real stories. So even if you're like making
one up, there are beats and elements that are real, just
just how you could like make up a fictional story.
But if it's like so contrived, it's not necessarily believable
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or like how people speak. You see what I'm getting at?
The Wailing is, in my opinion, the best ghost movie I've ever
seen. But take that with a grain of
salt. I haven't seen every ghost movie
so anyway. So let's talk about some similar
themes and some similar ghosts. Because the guichine is not the
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only one, baby. Oh no.
Of course. If you don't remember, I did a
whole episode on La Yorona. La Yorona has a lot of
similarities to this story. One being that she's often
described wearing a white dress and she's often described with
long black hair and sometimes with no face.
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Usually though, people say that her hair is in her face or like
sometimes they can see her face or it's like she's kind of
elusive because more often than not Liorona is heard.
The name Liorona means like the crier.
And so they often people often can hear her screaming and
crying, like looking for her lost children.
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And she's often depicted, but she's often heard or associated
with bodies of water. Now I did a whole deep dive into
that on an episode earlier on. So if you haven't learned it, if
you haven't heard it, I just recommend going back and
listening to that bad boy. But what I find so interesting
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at this idea of the quote UN quote the white lady or a wait,
a lady in a white dress is a very common theme.
And these ghost stories occur inEurope, the Philippines and
Latin America. I think that's a really
interesting phenomenon. It always includes a woman with
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pale skin flowing in a white dress, often near roads, forests
or castles or bodies of water. In Europe, a lot of the White
Lady stories are associated withspirits of women who died
tragically, specifically betrayed by lovers.
In the Philippines, there is a famous white lady known as the
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White Lady of Ballet Drive. She is a ghostly hitchhiker who
appears in the backseat of cars.Oh my God, that's so scary.
Fuck, that's actually really scary.
That would fucking freak me out.And of course in Latin America
the white lady is often associated with Liorona
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screaming and or crying, but notalways.
Sometimes people claim to see these quote UN quote white
ladies wearing long white dresses with dark hair floating
around the streets of the city or near churches or castles or
rural roads. But one that I find extra
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interesting and special is a quote UN quote white lady from
Japan. And this kind of ghost is known
as the Kuchi Sake onna. This translates directly to the
slit mouthed woman. The Kuchi Sake ona is described
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as a woman wearing a surgical mask covering her face.
If removed, her mouth can be seen as a slit from ear to ear.
No, that's so not chill. The story goes that if you see
her, she will ask you am I pretty?
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And if you say no, she'll kill you.
However, if you say yes, she'll remove her mask and she'll ask
you again. If you hesitate or you scream,
she'll slash you from ear to ear.
Fuck no dude, that's so scary. They say that the only way to
escape her is to confuse her by saying you're average.
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Stop it. Or you can throw candy at her.
Wow, honestly, like call me crazy.
I mean I guess I have experiencewith ghosts now, but I feel like
I would like go kind of born to therapy mode be like, do you
need my validation? Like do you think you're
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beautiful? I find You Beautiful.
Do you think you're beautiful? I'm so sorry.
It seems like you, like, I don'tknow, I feel like I'm taking
over a different approach, or I feel like, do you need a hug?
I just feel like I don't have itin me to say you're average.
If a woman asks me if I think she's pretty, my answer is going
to be yes, babe, but you don't need my validate.
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You don't need my fucking validation, babe.
What's going on? Something bigger is going on.
Let's talk about it. I'm not going to throw fucking
candy at her and I'm not going to say that she's fucking
average. Who made-up these remedies?
Obviously, boys, these are boy responses.
Throw candy at her or say she's average.
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Jesus, you know what this soundslike?
It's like sounds like it's from an episode of The Pickup Artist.
Lame. So unsurprisingly, the Kuji
Saket Ona is often depicted in horror films, and I actually
haven't seen any that depict this kind of ghost specifically.
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If you have, write in at esotericanonsense@gmail.com.
Another honorable mention of a white lady is the Ponti Pontiac
or the Kuntilanak. These are ghosts from Indonesia
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and Malaysia and oh, sorry, I want to be specific.
I'm taking this back. These types of ghosts are not
necessarily depicted in white gowns.
I spoke too soon. I called them white ladies.
They're not necessarily white ladies, sorry.
OK. The Pontiac and the Kuntalanak
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are beautiful women with long black hair and red eyes, and
they are known to attack people and kind of turn into like
monstrosities as they do so. They are most likely associated,
or I should rephrase that, they're most commonly associated
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with women who died during childbirth, all baby.
They're known to lure men, they pretend to be lost women and
they kill them by ripping out their organs.
Savage. There's something very praying
mantis about that. I love that they can be warded
off by driving a nail into the back of their neck which turns
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her back into a normal woman. Oh my God, a nail in the back of
her neck Dude. OK, I maybe I listen to too many
true crime podcasts, but my mindimmediately goes to like, this
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sounds like a way to justify a murder, right?
Like you're like, oh, my wife was hysterical.
She was trying to attack me. So I drove a nail through the
back of her neck so that she would turn back into her true
form. And I just fucked up.
Maybe maybe I'm just the fucked up one.
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OK, so another honorable mentionof these quote UN quote crazy
wild female ghosts is the banshee.
The banshee are also known as women of the fairy mound.
They are known to be women wearing white or grey gowns.
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They have long hair and they aresometimes depicted young and
beautiful or old and crown like oh classic.
They say that the banshee is notvengeful, but she's a harbinger
of death. Her wails can be heard when
someone is about to die, especially from noble families.
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Some legends say that she is a ghost of a woman who died
tragically and now mourns for others.
Isn't this interesting though? Like I do think what is common
about all these stories are these, these women are
associated with betrayal, like betrayal of their society,
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betrayal of a lover and feeling rejected by society.
And I do think that's really interesting, mostly because
women are systematically treatedhorribly by patriarchy.
I'm not saying by every individual, but the patriarchy
treats women horribly. And I just find it fascinating
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that these folk tales and ghost stories, which are seemingly
hundreds, possibly thousands of years old, are even Speaking of
this. They're Speaking of ghosts who
are women who have been traumatized and terribly abused.
And like, if this isn't, if thisisn't proof, like, what is?
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Like what? What do we need to understand
for us to change how we treat women?
This is horrible. OK, which brings us back to some
honorable mentions from Japan. We all know that there's are
just their ghost. Their ghost stories are just the
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mediast. There are some classic female
ghosts from Japan known as the Chori and the Unreal.
So the Chori are ghosts of people who died violently or
with died with a deep grudge. So again, I stand corrected.
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It's not always necessarily a woman.
Then there's also the Andreo. The Andreo are vengeful spirits
who return to harm the living. They are depicted as pale with
long hair. They're often women wearing
burial kimonos. And these are kind of like,
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almost like the Japanese versionof the Guichen.
You know, they're wearing the burial outfit, They have the
long hair, they're women with pale skin.
It's like, same, same. You know what I'm saying?
So there is a very famous story of the Andreo in modern days
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times. For example the story from Ring
or Ringu is considered an Andreoand so is the The Grudge or
Juwan. But there is an old school
famous story of an Andreo and she is known as Oyuwasan.
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And this is a story of the ghostof Yotsua Kaidan.
So in a nutshell, this is like afamous folk tale that has is one
of the most common stories that has adapted into Kabuki theater.
So this is like a really, reallyclassic Japanese story and OK,
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sorry, sorry, sorry. So in a nutshell, the beats of
the story are Oiwasan was a beautiful woman and she was
married to a samurai who is mostoften referred to as Tamia Lemon
or Tamia Liamon. But like it's when I'm reading
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it, it's spelled lemon. So I don't know.
I don't really know if it's likesupposed to mean the fruit lemon
or if lemon translates into something differently.
So anyway, our girl Oywasan is married to this guy, let's call
him Lemon. Lemon wanted to marry a richer
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woman instead of Oywasan, even though they were destined to be
married. So he decided to poison Oywasan,
and by doing so he ended up disfiguring her face and causing
her to die. That's fucking horrific.
Could you imagine being betrothed to a man and like
maybe even liking him and then him being like, I want someone
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richer so I'm like, I'm just like killing you.
That is horrible. So after her death, Oiwas son
becomes a ghost and she returns to her village with a terrifying
half melted face and she drives her ex Lemon insane?
Yeah, fuck yeah. What are you?
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What are you supposed to do? Come on, she basically haunts
him, drives him insane and eventually he confesses and
eventually dies. This is an amazing story.
I'm obsessed with her and you can actually visit her grave.
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She's a real person, and it is said that a lot of actors and
directors from both movies and stage plays will visit her grave
before filming or performing herstory so that they don't have a
curse put on them. This story, like I mentioned, is
called the Ghost of Yatsua. Did I say that earlier or did I?
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Yeah, I said yeah, I said that. The Ghost of Yatsua Kaidan.
Yeah. This is.
That's really, that's really sad.
I these stories are so sad. I I just hate how common it is
to hear stories about women being treated brutally by people
who are supposed to be taking care of them.
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Like, why not just break up? You know, you just break up, but
instead now you're going to disfigure her and now she's a
fucking ghost. OK, so another famous Andreo is
known as Okiku and Okiku, as youwill soon discover, is
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definitely the ghost that directly inspired the ghost from
the ring or ringu. So Okiku is known as the ghost
of the Well. The story goes that Okiku was a
servant lady and she was falselyaccused of losing a valuable
plate by her samurai master. After being tortured and thrown
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into a well, she died. That's for a plate for a a plate
that she allegedly stole. According to her Master, he
tortured her and threw her into a well.
That's fucking horrific. Her spirit haunted the well and
she would count plates. I hate this.
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She would count plates from 1:00to 9:00 and then she would let
out a terrible scream when she couldn't find the 10th plate.
Baby, this is so sad. It is said though that the well
that she was cast in as a real well and you can visit it at the
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Himeji Castle in Japan. I would go just to leave for
flowers. My poor baby.
Let's take a break. This is just too sad.
Hi there, did you know that humans are made mostly of water?
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Something like 80% or something?I don't, I don't remember the
stats, but water's crucial, you guys, water's crucial.
Have you been drinking water today?
I highly recommend. You can also add a little bit of
like pink salt or or Celtic saltor some nice like Real Salt to
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your water to help your electrolytes.
You can do a cucumber infusion. You could add some mint in
there, some chia seeds. Like I'm, I'm inviting you to be
creative here, but I'm also hereto remind you drink your water,
baby boy. Drink your water.
Really helps with the function of the nervous system, the
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function of the bowels. We're talking optimal
functioning here. Drink your water, baby.
And we're back. Oh gosh, this is actually making
me really sad, you guys. I just want us to be nice to
women, you know? Like what if there were just
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stories of like, I'm a ghost, I just make cupcakes and like, I
love you, you know? And I just decided to say back
because like, I love my cat. Me and my cat are just in the
spirit world, you know, like that's the kind of ghost I want,
you know? But I guess that's why ghosts
are scary, right? Like usually the ghosts that we
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see are like super bitter and hurt and like, trauma lives on.
Trauma really does live on. It lives on.
And I'm telling you that a housethat I lived in was so creepy.
Oh my God. If you have any ghost stories,
if you have a ghost story, please write in, send me an
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e-mail. I would love to start episodes
where I just read emails of like, cool random stuff.
I'd love to hear anything. Stories that your grandma used
to tell you to scare you. Ghost stories.
You experiencing ghosts? Maybe you saw a Unicorn, Maybe
you had a dream about a Unicorn.I don't know.
Tell me everything I want to know.
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Everything played. OK, so we are talking about the
Chudai and the unreal, unreal, unreal.
So here's some honorable mentionof the Chudai, which are the
other kinds of ghosts who are known to just kind of die
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tragically and are just tragic Peppers, not necessarily always
women. OK, so one honourable mention is
known as the Taira no Masakado. This is a headless spirit, and
the story goes that Masakado wasa rebel samurai who declared
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himself emperor and was soon after decapitated Tam.
That sucks. His head was brought to Kyoto,
but it did not decay. Instead, his head flew back to
Tokyo, which at at that point was still called Edo.
And the So the head flew back toEdo on its own, and there it
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was, buried in a shrine. Like what?
That's crazy. His chudai, or like his ghost,
became so powerful that it caused earthquakes, deaths and
misfortunes to those who disrespected his grave.
What Masakado shrine still exists today in Tokyo?
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Businesses nearby avoid disturbing it.
Obviously he's not female, but this is a very similar story
that kind of revolves around betrayal and sorrow and it kind
of manifesting as a vengeful ghost.
So I did think it was an honorable mention.
OK, so now we have some honorable mentions from the
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Pontiac and the Kuntilanac, which are these vengeful female
spirits that I mentioned earlierfrom Indonesia and Malaysia.
So there is a notorious Pontiennac from Indonesia.
And interestingly, according to the story, it says that this
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Pontiennac, this vengeful spiritcomes from Pontiennac City,
which I get I'm guessing is a real place.
Let's kind of suck it up real quick.
Pont Ennac City, Indonesia. Yeah, it's a real city.
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It's the 23rd most popular city in Indonesia. 4th most popular
city in the island of Borneo. Fun fact.
That is so cool. OK, so there's an island named
after them. Oh my gosh, that's so creepy.
Oh my God. We have to go there.
Do you want to sponsor me to go there and do a live episode?
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Right. E-mail in OK so this is the
origin story of the Pontiac woman and how the city of
Pontiac got its name. So the city of Pontiac in Borneo
is said to have been haunted by spirits before it was settled.
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The city's founder, who was named the Sultan Sayarif Abdul
Rahman, he fired cannons into the forest to scare off these
vengeful spirits. Even today, symbolic cannon fire
is part of cultural ceremonies to scare away vengeful spirits.
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Shut the fuck up. That's crazy.
And literally the name of the city Pontiac refers to these
vengeful spirits. This is so interesting.
It is said that ghosts cry like babies or laugh hysterically
before they attack. That kind of reminds me of La
Orona. These female spirits aren't
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known to smell like frangipani flowers, and the scent
intensifies as she gets nearer. Stop it.
That is so interesting. Oh, my God, I would love.
I I I kind of love that. I love that to like, be able to
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live in a city that's legacy is to just be haunted.
Oh, that's so cool. So another notorious Pontinek is
known as the pregnant bride. Oh, this is going to be sad.
The story goes that there was a woman who was murdered by her
lover before they could marry while she was pregnant.
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Yeah, I was worried about that. It's like the worst case
scenario. That sucks.
Her spirit became a Pontionac. Yeah, duh.
Of course. She haunted the villages near
where she used to live, and she would lure men by appearing as a
beautiful bride. Yeah.
Then she would transform into a creature with claws and fangs,
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seeking revenge. Like, like, what?
What do you expect of me? You know what I'm saying?
If you murder me, my baby daddy,murder me while I'm pregnant,
what do you expect? Of course I'm going to become a
vengeful spirit. Of course I'm going to hunt your
ass down force. I'm just going to start killing
Willy nilly like I'm going to bepissed.
This is what this is what the cycle of violence does to us.
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We just become insane people because we are so deeply hurt
and so deeply traumatized. And this is literally what's
happening in real time on planetEarth.
This is centuries and millennialof hurt people who are
incredibly traumatized and find ways to justify murdering and
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genocide. It's crazy.
And, and, and it's just sad. It's just sad because ultimately
this is just, it's just so much pain.
It's just so much pain. And, you know, that's part of
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why I really wanted to do this episode today.
I've just been really thinking about mothers.
You know, like every one of us was birthed from a woman or
person who who had to carry us, who had to like survive in this
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world that is so cruel to women,so cruel to mothers and, and
what that means? Like we, we were grown inside of
her and maybe she was dissociated, maybe she was
angry, maybe she was living in abubble of ignorance.
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Like, who's to say? But like, she had a mother and
she had a mother and she had a mother and she had a mother and
she and like, it's just this never ending chain of people who
had to carry children inside their bodies and be disrespected
and, and targets of oppression and violence.
And like, what what that means. And yeah, I don't know.
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I hopefully there's some ghosts listening.
And if there's any ghosts listening, I just want to say I
love you so much. And I just, you know, whatever
happened in your life, I'm so sorry.
And also like, you're free. This, these lives that we live
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as humans are like dreams, you know, and they, they're real,
they're super real, but they're also like a dream.
I, I do think it's important to reflect on them and learn from
them and then to let them go. Let them go.
Start your new adventure, start your new life.
Start your new dream. Because our truest versions of
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ourselves are like droplets in an ocean and when we experience
life, it's like we are a drop ofwater separating from this ocean
to to learn singularity to to see angles and and realities
that would be imperceptible as aomnipotent consciousness.
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So the moral of the story, I love women.
We I just love women. I love human beings.
I love women, I love mothers. And hopefully we can we can be
nice to both living and ghost moms.
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I really as as cliche as it sounds like this is like the
moral of every kids movie. But like love, love and
compassion can really fix all ofour problems.
Like most of these vengeful people and vengeful ghosts are
just really hurt people that really they just need a hug and
they need therapy. It may not be your job to give
them therapy, but sometimes theyjust need to be seen.
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They need to be. They just need to be seen.
And I think that's true for all of us.
Thank you so much for listening to this podcast.
I, I really appreciate you if you are a fan, please, if
possible, like rate my podcast, give me 5 stars or whatever the
fuck that you're supposed to do.Write a review, comment on the
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episode, send me an e-mail. I really do this because it's
just fun for me. And this is the kind of pot.
This is the podcast I've been looking for and I haven't been
able to find it, so I just made it myself.
But I really do this as a passion project.
I really want to hear from you. I really want to make more
friends with weird, freaky, witchy people.
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We're interested in folk tales and, and yeah, I'm sending you a
big hug. Please take care of yourself
over and out babe.
Hello and welcome to Esoterica and Nonsense, a podcast where we
discuss myths, legends, folk tales, fairy tales, supernatural
phenomenon and religions from around the world.
I'm your host Annabelle AKA PepeAKA Pepperbell, and I am back
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after an unspecified hiatus you can do the math people.
It's been so intense these days.My heart goes out to everyone on
planet Earth. Sadly, we live in an era of late
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stage imperialism and I see so many human beings destroy the
planet and destroy each other, both figuratively and literally.
Recently, last month, I learned that someone very close to me
(01:45):
who I consider family lost theirmother to a fentanyl overdose.
And yeah, I just want to be transparent about that because
it's been on my mind and I just,I think sometimes maybe I'll
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speak for myself, but it can be easy to forget how close we are,
how close I am to not being OK. You know, I'm very fortunate and
have had the blessings to live abeautiful life.
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And I've made choices that have helped my health and safety, but
not every day is a good day. And sometimes when we aren't
feeling our best, we don't make the best decisions.
And I, I've just been feeling really grateful that I in this
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moment and am healthy and safe. And I just have so much love and
compassion for everyone, especially for people who seem
to die young or, or really, whatI mean is like to die at a time
that feels too soon, you know? And I'm, I'm burning some Palo
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Santo right now just in her memory.
It was the first time I saw the body of someone that I had known
personally. And yeah, it really changed my
life. I've really just been thinking
about everything. I feel like I've been getting
like the stereotypical montage they have in movies where your
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life flashes before your eyes. So with that being said, I
decided that I wanted to do an episode about ghosts and
specifically female ghosts specifically like women ghosts.
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And a big inspiration for this episode is the film that I
recently saw a few days ago called UMM.
It's a beautiful film and if youhaven't seen it, you might want
to wait to listen to this episode because I am going to
tell you some spoilers. But it's still going to be worth
(04:30):
seeing. I'm not going to spoil the whole
movie, but if you really want tobe surprised, I recommend you
watch the movie in Circle back. But this movie is incredible and
it stars Sandra Oh. Shout out to Sandra Oh, you're
incredible. I'm a huge fan and it really
centers around mother, the concept of mother and and the
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concept of being a mother and what you pass down to your
child. And so in this film, Sandra Oh
was 1st generation. I think she was born, her
character was raised by people who had emigrated from Korea and
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her mother was very cruel. And because of that, Sandra O
ended up becoming estranged fromher mother and her mother dies
before she sees her again and starts manifesting as a ghost.
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And this movie really struck a chord within me because I do
believe that that there are different kinds of ghosts that
that manifest for different reasons.
But I do think one of the most common ghosts are are people who
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have unfinished business in someway, who are not ready to re
materialize into a new form. And so they choose to haunt or
really like be present to finishsomething.
Often that is some kind of revenge, either a very obvious
revenge, right? Like the classic would be like a
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warrior who, who never killed his nemesis.
But I think sometimes it's also,it can be resentments.
It can be towards a family member or a sibling or or what
have you. And I'm, I think I shared this
on an episode of my podcast. But last year I started doing a
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lot more meditation and a lot more Akashic deep diving, and I
was able to contact some of my own ancestors, I guess, like in
the meditation space, I don't know what the fuck you call it.
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And I saw some horrifying things.
And now I'm not saying that every ancestor I had was a
horrible person, but the one that needed the help was the
person who had experienced the most horrific things and then
ended up doing horrific things, right?
So anyway, these are the things that have been on my mind.
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Trauma, pain, terror, sorrow. These emotions live on from
generation to generation. They're passed on through our
bloodlines and through our connections, both physically and
ephemerally. Right?
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So let's talk about ghosts. And we're also going to talk
about a ghost story of mine. But first, let's get into some,
let's get into some deeds. So the first, what do we call
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her? First, we're going to talk about
the guiche, the guichean, and really I just want to preface
that this episode is about female ghosts, women ghosts.
So the first is the guichin. This is the style of ghost that
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is kind of featured in the film I mentioned and it is a ghost
from Korean folklore. The guichin is a specific kind
of ghost and they are most oftendepicted as dead people who have
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not moved on specifically because of unfinished business,
strong emotions, and or improperfuneral.
Funeral rites though, this is like the basic definition.
Most often the guichin are depicted as pale women with long
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black hair wearing white funeralrobes and having no feet.
Another thing I find interesting, this just kind of
popped into my mind that in the West we associate the color
white with weddings. Like a woman in a white dress is
associated with a wedding dress.Now from what I understand, this
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is kind of a newer thing. Queen Victoria wore a white
dress at her wedding to indicatethat she was a virgin.
And then it became popular. And now like it seems everyone
gets married in a white dress. But in a lot of cultures in the
East, white is associated with death now.
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Like, not exclusively, for example, but I do know in a lot
of places in India, if someone is wearing a white head to toe,
it is like a symbol of mourning,you know?
So I do think that's very interesting that in sorry in
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Korean culture that the white robes are worn for the funeral.
So the origins of the guichin come from older Korean
mysticism, parts of Buddhism andConfucianism as well.
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And really their belief is that the soul separates from the body
at death, and if the body is notproperly cared for and the soul
is not properly guided, the soulcan become restless and there
from there turn into a guichin. It is very important, this
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process of transitioning to the afterlife and that they have a,
a term known as like the next World, which is geosung.
And this process of being able to transition into the next
World is crucial. I do want to note that they kind
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of touched on it a little bit inthe film Amma.
But like a lot of this does feelcoded in like like instilling
fear in your children to respectyou.
But in essence, I do believe this.
I do believe that if somebody isdeeply disrespected during life
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or or after death, they, they'remore likely to manifest as a
ghost. I, I buy this, I really do.
So there are actually different kinds of Guishin.
So one of them is known as the Chunyo Guishin.
And again, I'm so sorry about mypronunciation, but the Chunyo
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Guishin means the virgin ghost. And this is like the most
classic, the most famous. I mean, obviously, like, we know
how it is out here in a patriarchal society.
They love the young virgin. So of course, the virgin ghost
is often a young, unmarried woman who died somehow, and
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she's resentful because according to the Confucian
tradition of woman's life was incomplete without marriage and
children. These virgin ghosts are known to
haunt abandoned buildings, mountains, or bodies of water.
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Interesting. And there are.
This is very similar to the Woman in white trope that we see
in the West a lot, which we'll discuss in a second.
Then there is the Mongol Gwishin, which is known as the
Bachelor Ghost. This is actually a male
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depiction of the Gwishin, and he's also an unmarried man who
died and wanders the world in loneliness.
They're often described in legends where they seek Gwishin
to marry them in the afterlife. That's actually kind of cute.
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I would love to watch. I'd love to read a story about
ghosts dating each other in the afterlife.
That's really nice. So next we have the Mulguishin,
which is known as the water ghost.
These are spirits who drowned and were not given proper,
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proper burials. They're known to linger in
bodies of water and pull others down to replace them, allowing
them to move on. They're often linked to vengeful
spirits. OK, this is unlocking a memory.
Years ago, when I was like in the second or third grade, I
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found a book in my library and it was the first novel that I
was able to read cover to cover.I think I read it in three days.
I was hooked to this book and itwas called Wait Till Helen
Comes. Have you heard of this book?
You probably haven't. Shout it.
Write an e-mail in if you read this book as a kid, I was
riveted. It was this incredible ghost
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story. And it was about a girl whose
mother had remarried. So she had this new step sister
who was kind of annoying and shewas kind of a narc and she
didn't really want to live with her step sister.
And they are her family ends up moving to an an old abandoned
church and there's a graveyard next to their church.
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And her little sister like starts talking to her imaginary
friend. She has this imaginary friend
that she makes when they move named Helen.
And the girl, like the main character of this book kind of
writes it off because her step sister is younger than her, so
she thinks she's just like a dumb little kid and thinks she
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just has some imaginary friend. But as the book continues, like,
things start getting really creepy.
All these creepy things happen, but eventually she finds a
grave, like outside of the graveyard next to a tree.
And it's a grave for Helen who like died at like 11 years old
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and then ends up finding out through her step sister that
Helen drowned in the lake by their house.
So at the end, like the the climax of the book is in the
middle of the night, her step sister ends up sleepwalking,
going to the lake to go quote UNquote, swimming with Helen.
But Helen is trying to drown herso that she has a friend in the
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afterlife. I just think this is so
interesting because I do hear parallel stories like all around
the world or like, sometimes it's not always drowning, right?
Sometimes it's like tragic deaths.
But I always think it's so interesting and I, I, I wonder,
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like I wonder in freak accidents, how often people, if
people are ever being persuaded by ghosts or like and, or
imperceivable forces. Like what if you're having
thoughts that aren't yours and they're being put there by a
ghost who wants you to be their friend in the afterlife?
Just saying, right? That's crazy.
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OK, This is one of my personal favorites.
The next iteration of GUI Shin is known as the Dalgal GUI Shin,
which is known as the egg ghost.Stop it.
I'm the egg ghost. Can you call me that?
So these ghosts are known as theegg ghost because they are
faceless. So their their faces resemble
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smooth eggs. That's unsettling.
That's really not cool. They are considered extremely
ominous. Yeah.
Yeah, you could say that. And they lack identity in
connection to humanity. Oh my God, that's so scary.
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Oh my God. OK then another honorable
mention of the GUI Shing is the Jiosiang Saja.
Fuck. Damn, I wish I, I wish I was
better at pronouncing these things.
If if you know how to pronounce these things properly, write in.
If you grew up hearing stories about this, please write in.
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Oh my God, I would love to talk with you.
These are known as the death messengers.
They are not exactly ghosts, butthey are like green green.
They're grim Reaper style entities and they're known to
escort souls into the afterlife.They often will dress in black
classic and they wear these traditional hats known as gut.
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They're not considered good or evil, but they are terrifying to
those who resist death. Oh my God, yeah.
I I will say though, out of all of these, this this smooth egg
situation is by far the worst. Imagine if a woman in a long
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white dress and long black hair with an with a smooth egg face,
a faceless face shows up. That's bad news.
Give me a context where it's good news.
It's bad fucking news. Let's take a break.
Planet Earth can be a terrifyingplace sometimes.
Why is that? Because of humanity, Human
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beings. However, I would like to remind
you that planet Earth is a beautiful planet, and a big
reason why is because of plants.Plants are amazing.
Plants are so magical. Plants are the original OG life
force on this planet. Plants can heal us and plants
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necessitate our health. This is your reminder.
Maybe you should plant a plant this year.
If you're worried about plants, maybe you can have a succulent
like an agave. Agave are amazing because it's
almost impossible to kill agave and you can use them.
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On your skin you can use them ifyou have a sunburn, you can use
them for moisturization. You can actually drink the pulp
if you ever have a cold. Plants are incredible.
The list goes on and you alreadyknow, but research some plants.
Plant a house and plant a house.No Plant a plant within your
house. Maybe plant a tree outside of
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your house. Everyone on Earth planted a
tree. Today that would be almost 8
billion more trees. Let's do this as a teen baby and
we're back. You know what's so wild?
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When I was a kid, I so desperately like wanted there to
be ghosts around. And I was just obsessed with
anything ghost related. Like, I just loved stories about
ghosts. And I wish I could, like, see
ghosts. And I literally lived in a
haunted house once only for about a a year, I think.
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Yeah, I think it was about a year.
And I was so in denial that it was haunted.
I think it I think the reason why was because it was too scary
if I admitted that it was haunted to myself.
But I lived in this house in in this small, small town in the
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East Bay called Piedmont. And this fucking town is so
haunted because it was built by East Coast railroad tycoons.
And the particular land that they started building on during
the 17, mostly the 1800s. But they were building the
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railroad up and down the West Coast and they found this little
pocket of the Oakland hills where elk and deer would have
their babies. So it was a perfect hunting
ground, which is horrible because even the natives, the
aloni in the area, would never hunt there because of course it
was sacred land where babies were born.
You don't hunt or the babies arebeing born.
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Of course, white railroad tycoons didn't fucking care,
started building summer homes there, and then eventually it
became its own city because theydidn't want to pay taxes to
Oakland. Go figure.
It's a three square mile town. It's haunted as fuck.
It's weird as fuck. I have so many weird stories I
can tell you. These people are so weird.
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It's like a cult. There's no restaurants in this
town. It's three square miles.
There's like a gas station. There's three banks and some
schools. I mean, it is.
It is like truly a gated community.
It's not gated, but it might as well be because the they have
their own Police Department and they patrol the fuck out of it.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. So I lived in this house for one
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year while I was there and therewas an attic and we were, I was
juiced about this attic because it was like a real attic.
I had like a legit staircase that went up into the attic and
it was like it was like a cool little like TV room.
We like put ATV up there and it had like the vaulted ceilings.
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It was like a proper attic. It just had like a legit
staircase. And then there was like a real
room. It had like a door that was like
a legit room. So that room that like small
room in the attic that had a door had the worst vibes, like
horrible vibes, like creepy vibes.
I I couldn't even be in there. It was like weird.
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And my brother used to play in there, which checks out because
he, he's the worst. Anyway, so this attic was
creepy. And like, so, so for example,
sometimes I'd come home from school and I would like, feel
like someone's watching me and I'd look up into the attic and I
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would never see anyone. But I was like, oh, I could
like, I could feel it, you know.So I would always assume that my
brother was home. So I'd always come home and be
like, hello. And like, no one would be there.
But I was like, sure, I could like tell someone was there.
And sometimes I'd hear like footsteps upstairs.
So I'd always go into the attic and like no one would be there.
So of course I'd always be like,oh, it's just an old house or
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whatever. But then eventually, like, I
started memorizing all the creaks in the house because I
would always like, scare my brother, right?
I like what I like try to like come up behind him and scare the
fuck out of him. So I started memorizing all the
creaks in, in the wood floor andeventually I like memorized all
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the creaks in the wood stairs and I like knew which stairs
creaked And so I could like avoid all the creaks and then
like jump and scare him. So sometimes I would be in the
attic and I would hear someone coming up the stairs, but like,
not, not like they were walking,like they were creeping up the
stairs. I could, I would like hear
sequentially all the different creeks in each stair.
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So I knew someone was coming. I, I had memorized the creeks
like it was like a song. So I would like sit and watch TV
and be like, Oh yeah, he's goingto come scare me.
I'm fucking ready. And I would like wait and then
turn around to kind of be like, got ya.
And no one would be there and itwould freak me out.
And then I'd like look at the stairs.
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No one would be there. And I would like, I would just
tell myself I was tripping, right?
So one day I was home alone after school.
And so I wasn't in the attic. I was on the second story.
So I would, I was actually standing really close to the
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door that led to the attic, but I was standing in the hallway on
the second story and I hear thisbreathing.
Like I'm telling you, it's not exactly like that.
And immediately I actually wasn't scared because we had pug
dogs. We had three pugs and we had one
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that was like super old and he had all these fucking health
problems. So I was like, oh, that must be
Hugo. Like Hugo sounds really fucked
up though. Like, because it almost to me,
it sounded like a human. It sounded like a human man.
But I was like, well, you know, it's obviously the dog.
But then I was realizing that this, this dog, Hugo was blind.
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He never came upstairs ever. He was, he had never been on the
second story of this house. And I was like, that's fucking
weird. How did he get up here?
So I started like looking aroundand I was like, where is this
coming from? And at first I thought it was
coming from my brother's room. And I was like, this doesn't
make sense. My brother's an asshole.
Like, why would Hugo go into hisroom?
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This is so weird. But then I realized it wasn't
the noise wasn't coming from my brother's room.
It was coming from the fucking hallway.
So I'm standing in the hallway and I was like, where the fuck
is this noise coming from? And I realized it was coming
from one of the vents we had. It was like an old house.
It was at least 100 years old. So there was this like old
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school metal vent and that that's where this breathing was
coming from. And it hadn't stopped.
It kept going this like, so that's when I was like, oh, OK,
it's coming from the vent. I bet you that our dog Hugo is
sleeping next to the vent and the noise is just traveling.
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So I was like, oh perfect, everything's fine.
This is not, you know, everything's everything's
normal. However, above the vent was a
window that looked into her backfucking yard.
And in the backyard I realized all three of my dogs were
outside playing. There was no dogs inside and
there was still this creepy ass fucking breathing.
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I tell you I ran out of that house so fucking fast I almost
pissed my pants. I ran out of the house.
I I don't even know if I locked the door.
I ran out of there. I like ran to my friend's house
who lived probably a mile away. I almost pissed.
I literally was so stressed out that I had to pee and I almost
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peed my pants multiple times. I kept running and then stopping
so I wouldn't piss myself. I finally made it to her house
and her parents were like OK like whatever.
And like already I was just feeling like I was crazy.
And then eventually like when myparents got home they just
thought I just had like a big imagination.
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But mind you I was in the 5th fucking grade and at this point
I was already a hyper vigilant child.
I was not living in fantasy worlds.
I was, I was not like, no, I wasnot this kind of kid.
But so yeah, basically my parents gaslight me to think
that I was just making things upand like, I just kind of
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stopped. Anytime I started having
thoughts about it in this house,I would just like push it away.
I'd be like, no, you know, I'm crazy.
But I'm telling you, when I was in this house, sometimes I'd get
visions of like a man upstairs, like a scary man.
Sometimes, like not when I was in the attic, I'd be in my
bedroom and I would just like belike there's a man upstairs and
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I could like sense him. And like I said, like almost
every day that I came home, I felt like someone was watching
me from the attic. It was so fucking creepy.
So the reason why I bring this up is because last night I had a
dream that I went back to this house.
I, I literally lived there for one year when I was in the 5th
grade. In my dream last night, I went
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back to this house and I was like with some friends, I took
them up into the attic and I waslike telling them about how
creepy this place was. And it was like a hoarder had
moved in. There was like headless shit in
the attic and specifically hellashit in that one creepy room.
So one of my friends, he actually wasn't my real friend.
It was like Eugene from The Walking Dead.
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So obviously this like dream is a little bit convoluted, but
Eugene like went into this, the extra creepy room and I was
like, get the fuck out of there.Do you know what you're doing?
And so, like, me and my friends were sitting at these tables in
the attic, and I was explaining to them, like, how this attic
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was haunted. And I just knew it.
Like, I knew that there was a man there and I had the sense
that he had taken his own life. I just had this feeling.
And literally as I'm explaining this, like a ghost materializes,
a man materializes. And he was a man in his like 30s
or 40s and was like, yes, I am the ghost.
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And he asked me to give him a fucking tarot reading.
And I literally gave him a full tarot reading.
And I, I sadly don't remember the tarot reading.
I can't tell it to you because Idon't know what I said.
I don't know what the reading was.
But I like gave him a hug. Dude, it was crazy.
That was my dream last night. Ghosts are real.
If you don't believe in ghosts, you just haven't experienced
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ghosts. And ghosts are super, super,
super real. And I, I really do think most of
them are just sad. They're just sad Peppers.
It's a lot like people, you know, like all, like the scary
people who are mean are usually just sad and they're masking
their sadness with aggression sothat they don't have to feel
sad. And I really do think, I, I
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really do vibe with this concept, like in, in a lot of
Eastern philosophies, especiallylike in Hinduism and Buddhism,
that like this cycle of reincarnation really has to do
with unfinished business. When you have things that are
unfulfilled, you just have to reincarnate.
You have to like finish the deedbefore you can move on.
And I, I really feel like ghostsare like an exaggerated version
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of that. Like it's hard for people to
allow themselves to let go and be reborn if if their life feels
so unfinished. And for me, that's kind of my
worst case scenario. You know, I, I'm in no rush for
my life to end, But when it's over, like it's going to be
over. Like, I'm not trying to, I'm not
trying to linger. I'm not No, no.
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Are you kidding me? No.
And it sounds so lonely. Anyway, that was my long winded
ghost story. Let's take a break.
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So thank you so much. And we're back, dear Peppers.
So I do want to get into some other kinds of ghosts from other
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cultures that have very similar overlappings.
But I do really want to bring upa film, a Korean film that kind
of touches on this idea of like a cuisine that I highly
recommend. Of course, I brought up a lot
earlier, which is amazing and I recommend.
But technically that is an American.
It's an American film. There is a Korean film called
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The Whaling and it's made in 2016.
I know there's like another American film called The
Whaling. So if you look this up, make
sure that you look up The Whaling 2016 and that it's
Korean film. This film is amazing.
To be clear, I would definitely consider this movie a horror
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film. There are very disturbing images
and very disturbing elements andit is bone chilling.
It is amazing and it is a ghost story.
And there's also elements of, ofmysticism, shamanism, exorcisms
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like demon re. It's, it's incredible.
It is like, it was like the answer to all my prayers.
It might be like one of my favorite films just because I, I
personally feel like so many ghost stories or stories about
supernatural things are made by people that have never
experienced them and don't really understand anything about
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it. And so they often for dramatic
effect, just like make things upthat don't feel real or like
almost disrespectful. Like I'd like go to me, ghost
stories are real stories. So even if you're like making
one up, there are beats and elements that are real, just
just how you could like make up a fictional story.
But if it's like so contrived, it's not necessarily believable
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or like how people speak. You see what I'm getting at?
The Wailing is, in my opinion, the best ghost movie I've ever
seen. But take that with a grain of
salt. I haven't seen every ghost movie
so anyway. So let's talk about some similar
themes and some similar ghosts. Because the guichine is not the
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only one, baby. Oh no.
Of course. If you don't remember, I did a
whole episode on La Yorona. La Yorona has a lot of
similarities to this story. One being that she's often
described wearing a white dress and she's often described with
long black hair and sometimes with no face.
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Usually though, people say that her hair is in her face or like
sometimes they can see her face or it's like she's kind of
elusive because more often than not Liorona is heard.
The name Liorona means like the crier.
And so they often people often can hear her screaming and
crying, like looking for her lost children.
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And she's often depicted, but she's often heard or associated
with bodies of water. Now I did a whole deep dive into
that on an episode earlier on. So if you haven't learned it, if
you haven't heard it, I just recommend going back and
listening to that bad boy. But what I find so interesting
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at this idea of the quote UN quote the white lady or a wait,
a lady in a white dress is a very common theme.
And these ghost stories occur inEurope, the Philippines and
Latin America. I think that's a really
interesting phenomenon. It always includes a woman with
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pale skin flowing in a white dress, often near roads, forests
or castles or bodies of water. In Europe, a lot of the White
Lady stories are associated withspirits of women who died
tragically, specifically betrayed by lovers.
In the Philippines, there is a famous white lady known as the
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White Lady of Ballet Drive. She is a ghostly hitchhiker who
appears in the backseat of cars.Oh my God, that's so scary.
Fuck, that's actually really scary.
That would fucking freak me out.And of course in Latin America
the white lady is often associated with Liorona
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screaming and or crying, but notalways.
Sometimes people claim to see these quote UN quote white
ladies wearing long white dresses with dark hair floating
around the streets of the city or near churches or castles or
rural roads. But one that I find extra
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interesting and special is a quote UN quote white lady from
Japan. And this kind of ghost is known
as the Kuchi Sake onna. This translates directly to the
slit mouthed woman. The Kuchi Sake ona is described
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as a woman wearing a surgical mask covering her face.
If removed, her mouth can be seen as a slit from ear to ear.
No, that's so not chill. The story goes that if you see
her, she will ask you am I pretty?
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And if you say no, she'll kill you.
However, if you say yes, she'll remove her mask and she'll ask
you again. If you hesitate or you scream,
she'll slash you from ear to ear.
Fuck no dude, that's so scary. They say that the only way to
escape her is to confuse her by saying you're average.
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Stop it. Or you can throw candy at her.
Wow, honestly, like call me crazy.
I mean I guess I have experiencewith ghosts now, but I feel like
I would like go kind of born to therapy mode be like, do you
need my validation? Like do you think you're
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beautiful? I find You Beautiful.
Do you think you're beautiful? I'm so sorry.
It seems like you, like, I don'tknow, I feel like I'm taking
over a different approach, or I feel like, do you need a hug?
I just feel like I don't have itin me to say you're average.
If a woman asks me if I think she's pretty, my answer is going
to be yes, babe, but you don't need my validate.
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You don't need my fucking validation, babe.
What's going on? Something bigger is going on.
Let's talk about it. I'm not going to throw fucking
candy at her and I'm not going to say that she's fucking
average. Who made-up these remedies?
Obviously, boys, these are boy responses.
Throw candy at her or say she's average.
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Jesus, you know what this soundslike?
It's like sounds like it's from an episode of The Pickup Artist.
Lame. So unsurprisingly, the Kuji
Saket Ona is often depicted in horror films, and I actually
haven't seen any that depict this kind of ghost specifically.
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If you have, write in at esotericanonsense@gmail.com.
Another honorable mention of a white lady is the Ponti Pontiac
or the Kuntilanak. These are ghosts from Indonesia
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and Malaysia and oh, sorry, I want to be specific.
I'm taking this back. These types of ghosts are not
necessarily depicted in white gowns.
I spoke too soon. I called them white ladies.
They're not necessarily white ladies, sorry.
OK. The Pontiac and the Kuntalanak
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are beautiful women with long black hair and red eyes, and
they are known to attack people and kind of turn into like
monstrosities as they do so. They are most likely associated,
or I should rephrase that, they're most commonly associated
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with women who died during childbirth, all baby.
They're known to lure men, they pretend to be lost women and
they kill them by ripping out their organs.
Savage. There's something very praying
mantis about that. I love that they can be warded
off by driving a nail into the back of their neck which turns
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her back into a normal woman. Oh my God, a nail in the back of
her neck Dude. OK, I maybe I listen to too many
true crime podcasts, but my mindimmediately goes to like, this
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sounds like a way to justify a murder, right?
Like you're like, oh, my wife was hysterical.
She was trying to attack me. So I drove a nail through the
back of her neck so that she would turn back into her true
form. And I just fucked up.
Maybe maybe I'm just the fucked up one.
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OK, so another honorable mentionof these quote UN quote crazy
wild female ghosts is the banshee.
The banshee are also known as women of the fairy mound.
They are known to be women wearing white or grey gowns.
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They have long hair and they aresometimes depicted young and
beautiful or old and crown like oh classic.
They say that the banshee is notvengeful, but she's a harbinger
of death. Her wails can be heard when
someone is about to die, especially from noble families.
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Some legends say that she is a ghost of a woman who died
tragically and now mourns for others.
Isn't this interesting though? Like I do think what is common
about all these stories are these, these women are
associated with betrayal, like betrayal of their society,
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betrayal of a lover and feeling rejected by society.
And I do think that's really interesting, mostly because
women are systematically treatedhorribly by patriarchy.
I'm not saying by every individual, but the patriarchy
treats women horribly. And I just find it fascinating
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that these folk tales and ghost stories, which are seemingly
hundreds, possibly thousands of years old, are even Speaking of
this. They're Speaking of ghosts who
are women who have been traumatized and terribly abused.
And like, if this isn't, if thisisn't proof, like, what is?
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Like what? What do we need to understand
for us to change how we treat women?
This is horrible. OK, which brings us back to some
honorable mentions from Japan. We all know that there's are
just their ghost. Their ghost stories are just the
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mediast. There are some classic female
ghosts from Japan known as the Chori and the Unreal.
So the Chori are ghosts of people who died violently or
with died with a deep grudge. So again, I stand corrected.
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It's not always necessarily a woman.
Then there's also the Andreo. The Andreo are vengeful spirits
who return to harm the living. They are depicted as pale with
long hair. They're often women wearing
burial kimonos. And these are kind of like,
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almost like the Japanese versionof the Guichen.
You know, they're wearing the burial outfit, They have the
long hair, they're women with pale skin.
It's like, same, same. You know what I'm saying?
So there is a very famous story of the Andreo in modern days
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times. For example the story from Ring
or Ringu is considered an Andreoand so is the The Grudge or
Juwan. But there is an old school
famous story of an Andreo and she is known as Oyuwasan.
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And this is a story of the ghostof Yotsua Kaidan.
So in a nutshell, this is like afamous folk tale that has is one
of the most common stories that has adapted into Kabuki theater.
So this is like a really, reallyclassic Japanese story and OK,
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sorry, sorry, sorry. So in a nutshell, the beats of
the story are Oiwasan was a beautiful woman and she was
married to a samurai who is mostoften referred to as Tamia Lemon
or Tamia Liamon. But like it's when I'm reading
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it, it's spelled lemon. So I don't know.
I don't really know if it's likesupposed to mean the fruit lemon
or if lemon translates into something differently.
So anyway, our girl Oywasan is married to this guy, let's call
him Lemon. Lemon wanted to marry a richer
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woman instead of Oywasan, even though they were destined to be
married. So he decided to poison Oywasan,
and by doing so he ended up disfiguring her face and causing
her to die. That's fucking horrific.
Could you imagine being betrothed to a man and like
maybe even liking him and then him being like, I want someone
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richer so I'm like, I'm just like killing you.
That is horrible. So after her death, Oiwas son
becomes a ghost and she returns to her village with a terrifying
half melted face and she drives her ex Lemon insane?
Yeah, fuck yeah. What are you?
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What are you supposed to do? Come on, she basically haunts
him, drives him insane and eventually he confesses and
eventually dies. This is an amazing story.
I'm obsessed with her and you can actually visit her grave.
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She's a real person, and it is said that a lot of actors and
directors from both movies and stage plays will visit her grave
before filming or performing herstory so that they don't have a
curse put on them. This story, like I mentioned, is
called the Ghost of Yatsua. Did I say that earlier or did I?
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Yeah, I said yeah, I said that. The Ghost of Yatsua Kaidan.
Yeah. This is.
That's really, that's really sad.
I these stories are so sad. I I just hate how common it is
to hear stories about women being treated brutally by people
who are supposed to be taking care of them.
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Like, why not just break up? You know, you just break up, but
instead now you're going to disfigure her and now she's a
fucking ghost. OK, so another famous Andreo is
known as Okiku and Okiku, as youwill soon discover, is
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definitely the ghost that directly inspired the ghost from
the ring or ringu. So Okiku is known as the ghost
of the Well. The story goes that Okiku was a
servant lady and she was falselyaccused of losing a valuable
plate by her samurai master. After being tortured and thrown
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into a well, she died. That's for a plate for a a plate
that she allegedly stole. According to her Master, he
tortured her and threw her into a well.
That's fucking horrific. Her spirit haunted the well and
she would count plates. I hate this.
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She would count plates from 1:00to 9:00 and then she would let
out a terrible scream when she couldn't find the 10th plate.
Baby, this is so sad. It is said though that the well
that she was cast in as a real well and you can visit it at the
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Himeji Castle in Japan. I would go just to leave for
flowers. My poor baby.
Let's take a break. This is just too sad.
Hi there, did you know that humans are made mostly of water?
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Something like 80% or something?I don't, I don't remember the
stats, but water's crucial, you guys, water's crucial.
Have you been drinking water today?
I highly recommend. You can also add a little bit of
like pink salt or or Celtic saltor some nice like Real Salt to
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your water to help your electrolytes.
You can do a cucumber infusion. You could add some mint in
there, some chia seeds. Like I'm, I'm inviting you to be
creative here, but I'm also hereto remind you drink your water,
baby boy. Drink your water.
Really helps with the function of the nervous system, the
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function of the bowels. We're talking optimal
functioning here. Drink your water, baby.
And we're back. Oh gosh, this is actually making
me really sad, you guys. I just want us to be nice to
women, you know? Like what if there were just
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stories of like, I'm a ghost, I just make cupcakes and like, I
love you, you know? And I just decided to say back
because like, I love my cat. Me and my cat are just in the
spirit world, you know, like that's the kind of ghost I want,
you know? But I guess that's why ghosts
are scary, right? Like usually the ghosts that we
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see are like super bitter and hurt and like, trauma lives on.
Trauma really does live on. It lives on.
And I'm telling you that a housethat I lived in was so creepy.
Oh my God. If you have any ghost stories,
if you have a ghost story, please write in, send me an
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e-mail. I would love to start episodes
where I just read emails of like, cool random stuff.
I'd love to hear anything. Stories that your grandma used
to tell you to scare you. Ghost stories.
You experiencing ghosts? Maybe you saw a Unicorn, Maybe
you had a dream about a Unicorn.I don't know.
Tell me everything I want to know.
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Everything played. OK, so we are talking about the
Chudai and the unreal, unreal, unreal.
So here's some honorable mentionof the Chudai, which are the
other kinds of ghosts who are known to just kind of die
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tragically and are just tragic Peppers, not necessarily always
women. OK, so one honourable mention is
known as the Taira no Masakado. This is a headless spirit, and
the story goes that Masakado wasa rebel samurai who declared
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himself emperor and was soon after decapitated Tam.
That sucks. His head was brought to Kyoto,
but it did not decay. Instead, his head flew back to
Tokyo, which at at that point was still called Edo.
And the So the head flew back toEdo on its own, and there it
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was, buried in a shrine. Like what?
That's crazy. His chudai, or like his ghost,
became so powerful that it caused earthquakes, deaths and
misfortunes to those who disrespected his grave.
What Masakado shrine still exists today in Tokyo?
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Businesses nearby avoid disturbing it.
Obviously he's not female, but this is a very similar story
that kind of revolves around betrayal and sorrow and it kind
of manifesting as a vengeful ghost.
So I did think it was an honorable mention.
OK, so now we have some honorable mentions from the
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Pontiac and the Kuntilanac, which are these vengeful female
spirits that I mentioned earlierfrom Indonesia and Malaysia.
So there is a notorious Pontiennac from Indonesia.
And interestingly, according to the story, it says that this
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Pontiennac, this vengeful spiritcomes from Pontiennac City,
which I get I'm guessing is a real place.
Let's kind of suck it up real quick.
Pont Ennac City, Indonesia. Yeah, it's a real city.
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It's the 23rd most popular city in Indonesia. 4th most popular
city in the island of Borneo. Fun fact.
That is so cool. OK, so there's an island named
after them. Oh my gosh, that's so creepy.
Oh my God. We have to go there.
Do you want to sponsor me to go there and do a live episode?
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Right. E-mail in OK so this is the
origin story of the Pontiac woman and how the city of
Pontiac got its name. So the city of Pontiac in Borneo
is said to have been haunted by spirits before it was settled.
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The city's founder, who was named the Sultan Sayarif Abdul
Rahman, he fired cannons into the forest to scare off these
vengeful spirits. Even today, symbolic cannon fire
is part of cultural ceremonies to scare away vengeful spirits.
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Shut the fuck up. That's crazy.
And literally the name of the city Pontiac refers to these
vengeful spirits. This is so interesting.
It is said that ghosts cry like babies or laugh hysterically
before they attack. That kind of reminds me of La
Orona. These female spirits aren't
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known to smell like frangipani flowers, and the scent
intensifies as she gets nearer. Stop it.
That is so interesting. Oh, my God, I would love.
I I I kind of love that. I love that to like, be able to
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live in a city that's legacy is to just be haunted.
Oh, that's so cool. So another notorious Pontinek is
known as the pregnant bride. Oh, this is going to be sad.
The story goes that there was a woman who was murdered by her
lover before they could marry while she was pregnant.
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Yeah, I was worried about that. It's like the worst case
scenario. That sucks.
Her spirit became a Pontionac. Yeah, duh.
Of course. She haunted the villages near
where she used to live, and she would lure men by appearing as a
beautiful bride. Yeah.
Then she would transform into a creature with claws and fangs,
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seeking revenge. Like, like, what?
What do you expect of me? You know what I'm saying?
If you murder me, my baby daddy,murder me while I'm pregnant,
what do you expect? Of course I'm going to become a
vengeful spirit. Of course I'm going to hunt your
ass down force. I'm just going to start killing
Willy nilly like I'm going to bepissed.
This is what this is what the cycle of violence does to us.
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We just become insane people because we are so deeply hurt
and so deeply traumatized. And this is literally what's
happening in real time on planetEarth.
This is centuries and millennialof hurt people who are
incredibly traumatized and find ways to justify murdering and
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genocide. It's crazy.
And, and, and it's just sad. It's just sad because ultimately
this is just, it's just so much pain.
It's just so much pain. And, you know, that's part of
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why I really wanted to do this episode today.
I've just been really thinking about mothers.
You know, like every one of us was birthed from a woman or
person who who had to carry us, who had to like survive in this
(01:01:33):
world that is so cruel to women,so cruel to mothers and, and
what that means? Like we, we were grown inside of
her and maybe she was dissociated, maybe she was
angry, maybe she was living in abubble of ignorance.
(01:01:54):
Like, who's to say? But like, she had a mother and
she had a mother and she had a mother and she had a mother and
she and like, it's just this never ending chain of people who
had to carry children inside their bodies and be disrespected
and, and targets of oppression and violence.
And like, what what that means. And yeah, I don't know.
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I hopefully there's some ghosts listening.
And if there's any ghosts listening, I just want to say I
love you so much. And I just, you know, whatever
happened in your life, I'm so sorry.
And also like, you're free. This, these lives that we live
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as humans are like dreams, you know, and they, they're real,
they're super real, but they're also like a dream.
I, I do think it's important to reflect on them and learn from
them and then to let them go. Let them go.
Start your new adventure, start your new life.
Start your new dream. Because our truest versions of
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ourselves are like droplets in an ocean and when we experience
life, it's like we are a drop ofwater separating from this ocean
to to learn singularity to to see angles and and realities
that would be imperceptible as aomnipotent consciousness.
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So the moral of the story, I love women.
We I just love women. I love human beings.
I love women, I love mothers. And hopefully we can we can be
nice to both living and ghost moms.
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I really as as cliche as it sounds like this is like the
moral of every kids movie. But like love, love and
compassion can really fix all ofour problems.
Like most of these vengeful people and vengeful ghosts are
just really hurt people that really they just need a hug and
they need therapy. It may not be your job to give
them therapy, but sometimes theyjust need to be seen.
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They need to be. They just need to be seen.
And I think that's true for all of us.
Thank you so much for listening to this podcast.
I, I really appreciate you if you are a fan, please, if
possible, like rate my podcast, give me 5 stars or whatever the
fuck that you're supposed to do.Write a review, comment on the
(01:04:37):
episode, send me an e-mail. I really do this because it's
just fun for me. And this is the kind of pot.
This is the podcast I've been looking for and I haven't been
able to find it, so I just made it myself.
But I really do this as a passion project.
I really want to hear from you. I really want to make more
friends with weird, freaky, witchy people.
(01:04:57):
We're interested in folk tales and, and yeah, I'm sending you a
big hug. Please take care of yourself
over and out babe.
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