Join me for a heart-opening conversation with Robert Najemy, a beloved spiritual author and guide—though he'd never call himself a “teacher.” In this soulful episode, we uncover the surprising path that led a successful U.S. chemical engineer to establish a thriving spiritual center in Athens, Greece—guided by nothing short of divine synchronicity.
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Hi, everybody. Welcome today.
I'm so honored today to bring you a, you know, we are always
trying to bring you people to show you how things happen for
them. We know that many of you are
teachers and healers in your ownright, and some of you know
that, some of you don't. But the reality is we always try
to tell you other people's stories and kind of what took
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place and how they got into the work and in different ways.
And today, I'm very honored to bring you Robert Najami from
Greece has done just has an incredible story to tell you
some things that he's stepped into that I think you're really
going to appreciate. So this is Robert.
Robert, welcome. Welcome to the broadcast today.
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Thank you, thank you. And it's and it's my honor,
Steve. It's my honor.
Thank. You that's great.
I'm, I'm very, I'm very thrilled.
You know, George, our, one of our, one of our staff members
told me about you. He's from Greece and of course
he was very familiar with your work and he told me about you.
And immediately the group said he's part of the family real
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simple. So we didn't have to do a whole
lot of explanations and so forthwith that.
It just kind of worked out pretty well.
But anyway, I, I did want to bring you in today and kind of
introduce you to everyone and tell a little bit about your
story because you have a fascinating story behind you.
It's just absolutely amazing to see some of the things that
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you've done. If you don't mind, I'd like to
start with the story that reallygot you kind of into this.
And I think that was with your father, wasn't it?
Well, it was a little before my father.
I'm a chemical. I was.
I'm a chemical engineer. I studied at WEOPI in
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Massachusetts and after what, two years of working as a
chemical engineer, I became disillusioned.
It was a time of, of Vietnam andI became quite disillusioned
with life. And I didn't believe in God and
I didn't believe in an afterlife.
And, you know, I didn't believe anything.
And I decided to give myself a year to find a reason to live
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because I couldn't find any reason to live.
If life was only this, it is living, living for 80 years, you
know, just making enough money to live and then leaving this,
this physical realm. So then I began studying various
methods of meditation and yoga and philosophy and psychology,
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and gradually found a reason to live.
One reason was evolution, the idea that I could better myself,
that I could evolve. The other was creativity.
But whenever I created anything from a writing to a a meal that
felt satisfying. And the third was serving.
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Whenever I served or helped anyone, I felt good inside.
So these three things, evolution, creation and serving
became somehow the motto of, of my life.
And so I was on this search and I, my family moved to Lebanon
when I was 12 years old and my father was the Dean of students
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at the American University of Beirut there.
So I grew up from 12. You moved from Mass in the
States? Wow.
Oh, well, Connecticut, we moved to Connecticut and moved to
Beirut, Lebanon. And then my father was the Dean
of students. He was there for 18 years.
Actually, I came back to the States, got my degree, worked
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for two years for a chemical company, got disillusioned, left
my job. And you, I told you about that.
And then in Beirut, in Lebanon, we started to create a yoga
center in the mountains where people could come, spend time,
relax, do meditation, do breathing exercise using
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physical and meditative exercises.
And the war broke out in 1975. At that time, I went back to the
US for a while, just to collect books and videos and things to
supply the centers. So the people come up into the
mountain and then relax. And the war got worse.
So I didn't get back there untilone day my brother called me and
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told me that someone had killed my father.
It was a student at the university, it had nothing to
war. The student was just angry
because it did not let him pass the next grade.
The last student killed one of the professors but with a gun
and then killed my father with agun.
Would have been in about 5 minutes, so my brother called
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me. I went back to Beirut to see
what we could do. And living there was not
possible anymore because the warwas getting worse and worse.
And I ended up moving to Greece temporarily, supposedly
temporarily 49 years ago, temporarily.
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And because my brothers were there, because they had moved
there from Beirut because of thewar, and they were working with
a company there. And I ended up, you know, just
seeking up if anyone wanted to learn yoga or meditation.
I was 30 years old at that time,now I'm 79 and so these 49 years
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I've been just building this center here.
Now at one point my brothers andthe family wanted to do
something to punish the the student that kills my father.
But I explained to them that this is not a fun that we can
do. This is something karma has to
take its own path without are getting involved in that and so
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there was no need to do anythingto this person and that time I'm
actually there was no law in Lebanon.
He went free actually nothing really happened.
So the real cause of my getting into this past was not my
father's assassination, but the the disillusionment with life.
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If there was nothing beyond thisphysical life and, and it seemed
to have no meaning just to be here for 80 years and leave
without there being some kind ofhigher purpose.
And that was the what caused me to leave my job and give myself
a year to find a reason for living.
Well, that's pretty much that story in a in a nutshell.
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That's incredible. That's incredible.
And what, what drew you to Greece?
Well, yeah. Also, may I may add that that
experience of my father being assassinated and watching his
lifeless body wear in a casket was an interesting stimulus
which caused me to begin to study what happens after death.
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And at first I thought, well, there's no real information on
this. And then I began to find all
kinds of information which endedup in, in my writing a book
called The Mystical Circle of Life, which actually can be
found on Amazon. The Mystical Circle of Life, in
which I investigated twelve sources, including people that
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died in combat, Christianity, the Hinduism, Tibetanism of
various sources, Edgar Cayce, Czech, various sources as to
what soul goes through, the process of the soul living the
body, the various levels the soul goes through and the
process of reincarnation. So that was an interesting
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stimulus actually for that process.
I I have my book on that as well, absolutely called crossing
the veil. It's it's that's my most recent
book. I wrote it, of course,
stimulated by my wife passing Barbara passing.
Yes, absolutely motivated me to put a put an idea to have what
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is this exactly and and what takes place with it.
So that, that's incredible. Yeah.
Awesome. I'm, I'm, I'm really happy that
this, this work the way it is. So you know, what happens when
we follow spirit, when we followthose gentle nudges, doors open.
It's absolutely amazing sometimes.
And, and I don't know if we actually created or if it was a
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path that was, yeah, you know, laid out for us.
And, and I guess it doesn't really make any difference.
It's magical either way. So that's wonderful.
That's OK. So that's laid out, but we have
the choice to follow it or not. That's right.
I think it's something like that.
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
So that that's incredible. So you started working there and
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you started teaching you, you stepped out of the, you stepped
out of the the yoga framework, didn't you?
And and really moved into all sorts of teaching, didn't you?
Tell me a little bit about that.Yeah, yeah.
Well, I wanted to find anything that could improve the human
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experience. It could create human harmony.
So it could be what we eat. He exercises the breathing.
But then I realized that that's not enough, especially for the
Western individual, that we needto work also psychologically.
So I began to work a lot with psychological techniques and
after many years, after about 20years, got into energy
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psychology. EFD did BSFF and PAT and the
Sedona method, the whole Pono Pono, the heart math as ways to
also affect the energy aspect ofbeliefs.
Because I got somehow disillusioned after about 20
years of just talking with people or listening to people
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and not seeing the changes take place.
And I realized that there was anenergy element which is, which
was keeping people in the same thought processes, even though
intellectually their beliefs hadchanged.
And so discovering these forms of energy psychology helped me
to bridge that gap between what people believe intellectually
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and what they were feeling because we could work directly
on the emotions in that way. And then I got involved in
catharsis methods which were helping also to release a lot of
the tension, especially from childhood years.
We we do some we do a lot of regressions for the childhood
years and letting go of those emotions, but then rebuilding
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the experiences by reliving whathappened, not changing what
happened in any way, but interpreting it differently.
Rather than being feeling that we are not worthy or not saved.
Realizing that other people haveproblems and that their
behaviors are not reflections ofour self worth and that we are
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safe and that we are worthy and lovable.
And so I've been to combine all obese with well, I can say it to
be. And I think that Alan Watch
calls the perennial philosophy. And that is the the idea basic
spiritual concepts that we can find in all religions, such as
the immortality of man, the importance of love, the
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importance of behaving to our face and way that we would like
them to behave to us. And so it's a combination of
discovering the emotions and thebeliefs that caused our emotions
and then deciding whether we want to alter those emotions by
changing the beliefs that createthose emotions and how we can do
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that. That's pretty multiple process
that we work there and self now at 7:00.
That's amazing. That's amazing.
It parallels, it parallels our work that I've been doing with
the group for quite some time. I I had no history in this
before. I was a general contractor.
So I understand coming from a very mental place and all of a
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sudden starting get this incredible information and your
life changes pretty quick. Absolutely amazing stuff.
Yeah. And.
In our seven-year Self Knowledgeseminar, 14 of those classes are
on your book, Spiritual Psychology.
Oh, nice. And yeah.
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And so each week it was wilted wannabe light lessons and a few
like, lessons. We took 22 sessions.
And what's preventing us from learning those lessons?
So you are part of that son of them.
Oh, thank you, thank you. That's it's like I said, you're
part of the family. So we all, we all kind of reach
out and and touch each other. It's just, it's amazing.
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And I know quite a few other channels.
We talk sometimes and when we talk like that, we end up kind
of carrying a little bit of the message.
Sometimes I use words from them,they use words for me.
We change concept. That's exactly the way it's
supposed to be. We need to get this out into the
world and in the, in the many different ways that we can.
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So thank you for, thank you for being a part of that.
That's, that's magical. Yes, we, we've, we've
experienced very similar things.Of course, we've started in a
nonprofit organization here in the United States to be able to
do this work for many years now and always had the the
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interesting struggle about making enough money to put
things on and be able to supportourselves and so forth.
You have a really interesting approach that you did with this
can. Would you mind telling us a
little bit about that and what what took place with that?
You've kind of shared a little bit with me.
Yeah. Well, for some reason, when I
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began, I was 30 years old, I decided that that knowledge and
techniques should never be kept from people for economic
reasons. So I decided that our center
would never have money as the prerequisite, that is, for
someone to follow our seminars or classes.
And actually, I won. And still, even if they stay in
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our rooms, so we have a retreat center here, even staying in the
rooms in Ealing, if they don't have money, it's fine.
They can just do that without paying, whether they can offer
less if we started a system called the optional suggested
offering that would have for each class or for the rooms or
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for the eating, whatever that may be.
And it's up to the student to decide what they're going to do
with that. And I'd explain to them that
this is a part of the seminar and making that choice.
If you don't have money, don't feel badly about not them, but
if you do, be conscientious, notice comments they and not
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give anything that them. Don't go to Mykonos or some
island and spend all your money.But we don't control them in any
way. Anyone is free to come and to
walk or not to walk in any way. The suggested occurring is very
low. I mean, it's only $3.00 an hour
if someone is following a seminar, which is very small
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indeed. So.
And in order to do that, I decided that I would have to be
able to live without having money.
So I, I, all these years I've been living in the center, in a,
in a room in the center. And so I wouldn't have to take
any money. It's actually community in which
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you are, We are now about a community of 50 persons.
Only three of us, we lived in the center and the rest of them
come and go and offer the time without any kind of payment.
And we get our frequent year full time and work all day long
on that. We save our room and food and
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electricity and these kinds of things, but no payment.
Absolutely. And so the result of that was
that we were able to actually buy our center in Ather and
create 2 buildings in our retreat center outside and in
nature among the olive trees andthe, and the great vineyards and
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this kind of thing. And for me, it's like, I feel
like I didn't do anything. It's just like this horse, you
know, you know, if someone is anengineer, I can do that without
being paid and the architect andthen, you know, I have a friend
who's an electrician. And then it was just just kind
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of 1 miracle after the other. And this, well, I believe is the
support. I believe that you support the
evolutionary process. The process supports you, and
you don't really have to worry about, of course, no, I'm not.
I don't have any children. So that's a fact, right?
I don't have to put money in thebank or I'm going to any
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university. So that gave me the freedom to
be able to live like that and tomake that choice.
Incredible, you're going to say and and you even and like you
said, you even have rooms for people to stay from, from what
you've told me. Yeah, we have like these small
rooms. It's a yeah.
We have their own kitchen and their own bathroom and at at 2
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levels, 1 bed down below and another level of in another bed.
They're quite comfortable and people come.
We usually stay two in the room unless they really do, they
can't stay outside and they follow the Seminole.
They come down in the morning, we do our exercising, breathing,
meditation. They take their breakfast and
then we do the classes and then they have group discussions
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because a, a large part of our process after the teachings and
the methods is the group work. And so the there's about 40
group facilitators who are willing to ask questions.
And through the questions that they ask for people to discover
what their feelings are, what their beliefs are, and what
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alternative perceptions they canbegin to install in their
conscious and subconscious in order to see things differently
and to be able to experience things with her.
So after the morning clash or the book, so about an hour and a
half and the rest of the class in the evening, it's a
wonderful, a lot of dancing, thesinging, the classes, a lot of
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unity. It's a very nice experience.
Marvelous. Absolutely marvelous.
Now that sounds that sounds absolutely wonderful.
And I'm sure you have people that travel from outside of
Greece, don't you, to, to come to some of these events.
Well, only. Only Greek speaking because
we're doing all of this in Greek.
So yes, they come from England, some come from class and other
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countries, but they're Greeks. For some reason I was never able
to get things going in English. I'm not sure why am I doing this
day. So not even.
I mean, I have 40 books published in Greek but only 6 in
English and they didn't do well at all on the new ones on Amazon
are just being reset. I'm not sure what that is all
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about. I've accepted it.
But yeah, some people sound. I've got the same.
I've got a similar situation. I never, I never my, my first
books were published in in 18 different languages and my last
book was published in four. So yeah, I, I understand it.
It's confusing sometimes it's sometimes it's just like, it's
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kind of like show business in a way.
You, you hit the right mark at the right time and everything.
But. And yet Even so, it always lands
in the hands of the people that need it.
You know, it's always if it's there, if you put it out there.
So you've written 40 books. Did I hear that correctly?
40, Yeah. Yeah.
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Actually, there's two more, two more I've submitted to the
actually one more I've submittedto the publisher and I'm in the
process now by publisher. For some reason thought it would
be a good idea for me to write alocal biography.
I told them, you know, this is not a good idea because my life
was not growing again. It's not very interesting but he
eventually invention me. Actually what he did was put he
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put into the chat GPK for said Hung call the friend and says to
Robert and Jamie Wright and all the by but announcer from the.
Spirit will speak to you in any way.
We'll stop talking. The various reasons is we've
been seeing logical. I think the main reason that's
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been logical is that people havea tendency.
I don't consider myself to be a teacher.
I consider myself to be a spiritual aspirant, a person
studying, seeking to find answers and to improve myself
and never thought of myself as ateacher.
And I always tell people, don't believe something because I say
it, investigate it, think about it, and eventually decide what
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you believe. You know, That's what I feel is
really important. But then when I realized with
this book, my exposing my weaknesses and the things that
I've run through and admitting the various emotions that I have
had and mistakes I've made, whatactually may help people because
you know, there's people feel comfortable with.
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OK, he's in another level. And so I can do I can just be as
I have. And so I think that may be
helpful for people to to stop putting another person on a
pedestal and getting going themselves in responsible for.
That's actually why the group did not want to give me a name.
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I knew that they were multiple entities when I first started
channeling them, but they, you know, all my friends were
starting to channel at the same time.
And even today we have some professional channels that came
from that. But they all said, well, minor
from the 12th dimension and minor from the, you know, the
Akasha and all the other the wonderful names.
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We were all learning at the time.
But the group said, no, we're not going to do that.
We're just going to. I was the one that ended up
calling him the group. So but it, it makes sense and
it's, it's a different type of type of attitude.
It's not about giving your empowerment away, It's about
holding it yourself, claiming itand stepping into it, allowing
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yourself to make the mistakes, allowing yourself to flow
through it, to become aware of your emotions and many of the
aspects that you've been talkingabout here.
I, I totally agree with with what you've been working with.
That's absolutely beautiful. So you have, if I may, you've,
you have a wide variety of topics that you cover then that
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basically cover the spiritual psychology aspect of things.
And I don't mean that about my book.
I mean about all of it to to be able to really cover the
emotions and the human experience.
It's just that's magical. That's magical.
And I also heard you say that you worked with heart math as
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well. So one of the things that we're,
we do quite a bit of is getting into, it's interesting because
I'm, I love science. I absolutely love science, lives
in a different world than we work in.
But the connections, especially with quantum physics and quantum
science, they seem to validate alot of the teachings that the
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group has been giving me. So hopefully we're getting a
little closer to bringing some of that together.
In some ways very, very beautiful actually.
One one of our earlier seminars was quantum philosophy.
There you go. Each.
Each week I would actually, I think I showed you a small part
of some quantum physics and thenhow we can relate that to our
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reality and how really everything is just an illusion.
There's nothing actually physical, it's 99.99% empty.
And that the Witness is creating, pausing this field of
possibilities to take us over the farm.
And so actually 1 of this is quantum philosophy.
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That's fascinating. That's absolutely fascinating.
Yeah, I've used especially the especially the quantum, well,
the the quantum entanglement just basically talks about us,
we're all connected in differentways.
So to be able to relate that to in a scientific way for me was
just very powerful. And, and the other one was the
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the double slit experiment wherethey found out that it does
these strange things and then ifthey turned off the camera, it
does something else. So OPS are US witnessing us,
observing us, us being the witness to anything changes it.
And that that just shows that we're conscious creators to me.
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And that's, that's really at theheart of a lot of our work to
talking about making, making your own choices, stepping
forward, doing your own work andbringing it forward in that way.
That's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
What would you like to share? With people.
And you're like, you saw that and you're recent.
I, I received your, I saw your recent discussion in which I
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answered questions and you said something very important.
If you don't like the reality you're creating, create another
one, especially with by thinkingdifferently, speaking
differently and acting different.
And it's so important for us to understand that we are actually
creating. For me, that's 50% of the job,
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taking full responsibility of the reality and not only
creating but also attracting in many way.
I wanted to ask you, are you using the whole Bono Bono at
all? Using when.
How are you on the Bono The Age Hawaiian method?
Well, I have not, I have not heard about it until just
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recently. So no, I, I, I believe that from
what the group's telling me right now, we're using the
principles, but we don't know the method.
That's yes, it's. Exactly.
It's it's letting go of contracts, right.
Exactly that what we're saying that you see something you don't
like and you say I'm sorry for my participation in creating
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this. I add also I thank you for the
possibilities of learning through this experience.
I love you, I love myself and I threw you.
There's the negating of the contract I threw you from the
necessity to continue to exist as what that could be someone's
behavior. It could be an illness, it could
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be an economic problem. And then I thank God for for
removing from me whatever in me is contributing to this reality.
And so for me, it's really the removal of the contract.
It's it's a beautiful experienceand it goes so well with what we
teach the. Synchronicities are abounding.
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I just heard that in a movie last night and it's a it's a
Hawaiian tradition, isn't it? Why, Yeah, yeah, in fact.
It's a Hawaiian tradition up there.
Yeah. That they they they use for a
lot of things from the group's perspective, that's they've been
teaching it. We've been teaching in a
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different way, obviously, which is really what the group likes
to do. They like to give a different
view of things and then kind of type tie truce in a different
way so the people can see it in different aspects.
But I will use that one that that is that is a absolutely
beautiful thing to remember. Thank you.
What was it? Thank you.
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I'm I'm responsible. This I love you.
I forgive you. Please forgive me.
And was there a fifth one or notthat I?
I agree. That's so important.
I'm. I'm seeing the contract.
OK, we're done. We don't need this contract
anymore. You don't have to.
You don't have to shout at me anymore.
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You don't have to abuse me anymore.
Well, my my liver doesn't have to bother me anymore.
It's an amazing method and it and it really works.
Yeah. No, it does.
We, we've been, like I said, we've been doing, we actually
did a whole seminar on scriptingconscious contracts, which are
contracts that are made on this side of the veil that we
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basically can engage at any time.
We've had a lot of people come to me as a spiritual teacher, as
a group, as a spiritual teacher and say, how many contracts do I
have left? What do I need to do?
And they go, no, you don't understand.
The contracts are only potentials.
You choose where you go, you, you, you follow your path and
you create it. And it's, it's absolutely
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amazing. And the other one that they have
talked about even in the first book was responsibility being
the balance to power. The more responsibility you can
take for your life and your connection, the more power you
basically have over everything in your environment around you.
That's, that's beautiful. I can't wait to talk with you
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some more. So we're going to we're going to
have some fun together at some point.
I'm this is. Yeah.
Absolutely. I'd, I'd love to and if you ever
come out this way, you please let me know.
And if I come out that way, I'llthe we, we will hook up at some
point. Absolutely.
Well, I think it's more likely. That we will come here.
So we'll be waiting for you. Thank you.
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Thank you. OK, one final piece.
What would you like our people to know?
What would you what would you like to to give something that's
important to you for? Me there are two very important
OH guideline for my life to liveour lives according to our
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beliefs and to always behave forothers as with the light come to
behave to all but maybe for my guiding principles and I hope
everyone else will. I mean, I'm not asking 1 to do
anyone to do anything that I believe anything I say.
Decide that you believe in the recording.
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Beautiful. OK.
And also can you tell us the name of your website?
I will put it up here on the on the screen as well.
Well, it's WWW. And then the period harmonique
Zoe. It means harmonious life
harmonique zoe.com. And there's the English section,
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which is smaller and the Greek section, which is yours is 4000
videos on on YouTube. All right, so there's that and
they're basically all free. So but they're also but they're
about 200 videos in Andrew, so seek them up quite a bit to.
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Look for we look forward to lookforward to seeing it and and do
it further. My friend, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you for being on the show with us here today and thank you
for I honor you Sir. Like I'm thrilled to be
connected with you. We will we will dance again.
Trust me. Thank you, Robert.
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Thank you for that for that willreturn turn you to the studio.
Thanks everybody for being here today.
A spa, everybody.
Hi, everybody. Welcome today.
I'm so honored today to bring you a, you know, we are always
trying to bring you people to show you how things happen for
them. We know that many of you are
teachers and healers in your ownright, and some of you know
that, some of you don't. But the reality is we always try
to tell you other people's stories and kind of what took
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place and how they got into the work and in different ways.
And today, I'm very honored to bring you Robert Najami from
Greece has done just has an incredible story to tell you
some things that he's stepped into that I think you're really
going to appreciate. So this is Robert.
Robert, welcome. Welcome to the broadcast today.
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Thank you, thank you. And it's and it's my honor,
Steve. It's my honor.
Thank. You that's great.
I'm, I'm very, I'm very thrilled.
You know, George, our, one of our, one of our staff members
told me about you. He's from Greece and of course
he was very familiar with your work and he told me about you.
And immediately the group said he's part of the family real
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simple. So we didn't have to do a whole
lot of explanations and so forthwith that.
It just kind of worked out pretty well.
But anyway, I, I did want to bring you in today and kind of
introduce you to everyone and tell a little bit about your
story because you have a fascinating story behind you.
It's just absolutely amazing to see some of the things that
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you've done. If you don't mind, I'd like to
start with the story that reallygot you kind of into this.
And I think that was with your father, wasn't it?
Well, it was a little before my father.
I'm a chemical. I was.
I'm a chemical engineer. I studied at WEOPI in
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Massachusetts and after what, two years of working as a
chemical engineer, I became disillusioned.
It was a time of, of Vietnam andI became quite disillusioned
with life. And I didn't believe in God and
I didn't believe in an afterlife.
And, you know, I didn't believe anything.
And I decided to give myself a year to find a reason to live
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because I couldn't find any reason to live.
If life was only this, it is living, living for 80 years, you
know, just making enough money to live and then leaving this,
this physical realm. So then I began studying various
methods of meditation and yoga and philosophy and psychology,
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and gradually found a reason to live.
One reason was evolution, the idea that I could better myself,
that I could evolve. The other was creativity.
But whenever I created anything from a writing to a a meal that
felt satisfying. And the third was serving.
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Whenever I served or helped anyone, I felt good inside.
So these three things, evolution, creation and serving
became somehow the motto of, of my life.
And so I was on this search and I, my family moved to Lebanon
when I was 12 years old and my father was the Dean of students
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at the American University of Beirut there.
So I grew up from 12. You moved from Mass in the
States? Wow.
Oh, well, Connecticut, we moved to Connecticut and moved to
Beirut, Lebanon. And then my father was the Dean
of students. He was there for 18 years.
Actually, I came back to the States, got my degree, worked
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for two years for a chemical company, got disillusioned, left
my job. And you, I told you about that.
And then in Beirut, in Lebanon, we started to create a yoga
center in the mountains where people could come, spend time,
relax, do meditation, do breathing exercise using
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physical and meditative exercises.
And the war broke out in 1975. At that time, I went back to the
US for a while, just to collect books and videos and things to
supply the centers. So the people come up into the
mountain and then relax. And the war got worse.
So I didn't get back there untilone day my brother called me and
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told me that someone had killed my father.
It was a student at the university, it had nothing to
war. The student was just angry
because it did not let him pass the next grade.
The last student killed one of the professors but with a gun
and then killed my father with agun.
Would have been in about 5 minutes, so my brother called
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me. I went back to Beirut to see
what we could do. And living there was not
possible anymore because the warwas getting worse and worse.
And I ended up moving to Greece temporarily, supposedly
temporarily 49 years ago, temporarily.
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And because my brothers were there, because they had moved
there from Beirut because of thewar, and they were working with
a company there. And I ended up, you know, just
seeking up if anyone wanted to learn yoga or meditation.
I was 30 years old at that time,now I'm 79 and so these 49 years
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I've been just building this center here.
Now at one point my brothers andthe family wanted to do
something to punish the the student that kills my father.
But I explained to them that this is not a fun that we can
do. This is something karma has to
take its own path without are getting involved in that and so
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there was no need to do anythingto this person and that time I'm
actually there was no law in Lebanon.
He went free actually nothing really happened.
So the real cause of my getting into this past was not my
father's assassination, but the the disillusionment with life.
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If there was nothing beyond thisphysical life and, and it seemed
to have no meaning just to be here for 80 years and leave
without there being some kind ofhigher purpose.
And that was the what caused me to leave my job and give myself
a year to find a reason for living.
Well, that's pretty much that story in a in a nutshell.
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That's incredible. That's incredible.
And what, what drew you to Greece?
Well, yeah. Also, may I may add that that
experience of my father being assassinated and watching his
lifeless body wear in a casket was an interesting stimulus
which caused me to begin to study what happens after death.
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And at first I thought, well, there's no real information on
this. And then I began to find all
kinds of information which endedup in, in my writing a book
called The Mystical Circle of Life, which actually can be
found on Amazon. The Mystical Circle of Life, in
which I investigated twelve sources, including people that
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died in combat, Christianity, the Hinduism, Tibetanism of
various sources, Edgar Cayce, Czech, various sources as to
what soul goes through, the process of the soul living the
body, the various levels the soul goes through and the
process of reincarnation. So that was an interesting
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stimulus actually for that process.
I I have my book on that as well, absolutely called crossing
the veil. It's it's that's my most recent
book. I wrote it, of course,
stimulated by my wife passing Barbara passing.
Yes, absolutely motivated me to put a put an idea to have what
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is this exactly and and what takes place with it.
So that, that's incredible. Yeah.
Awesome. I'm, I'm, I'm really happy that
this, this work the way it is. So you know, what happens when
we follow spirit, when we followthose gentle nudges, doors open.
It's absolutely amazing sometimes.
And, and I don't know if we actually created or if it was a
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path that was, yeah, you know, laid out for us.
And, and I guess it doesn't really make any difference.
It's magical either way. So that's wonderful.
That's OK. So that's laid out, but we have
the choice to follow it or not. That's right.
I think it's something like that.
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
So that that's incredible. So you started working there and
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you started teaching you, you stepped out of the, you stepped
out of the the yoga framework, didn't you?
And and really moved into all sorts of teaching, didn't you?
Tell me a little bit about that.Yeah, yeah.
Well, I wanted to find anything that could improve the human
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experience. It could create human harmony.
So it could be what we eat. He exercises the breathing.
But then I realized that that's not enough, especially for the
Western individual, that we needto work also psychologically.
So I began to work a lot with psychological techniques and
after many years, after about 20years, got into energy
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psychology. EFD did BSFF and PAT and the
Sedona method, the whole Pono Pono, the heart math as ways to
also affect the energy aspect ofbeliefs.
Because I got somehow disillusioned after about 20
years of just talking with people or listening to people
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and not seeing the changes take place.
And I realized that there was anenergy element which is, which
was keeping people in the same thought processes, even though
intellectually their beliefs hadchanged.
And so discovering these forms of energy psychology helped me
to bridge that gap between what people believe intellectually
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and what they were feeling because we could work directly
on the emotions in that way. And then I got involved in
catharsis methods which were helping also to release a lot of
the tension, especially from childhood years.
We we do some we do a lot of regressions for the childhood
years and letting go of those emotions, but then rebuilding
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the experiences by reliving whathappened, not changing what
happened in any way, but interpreting it differently.
Rather than being feeling that we are not worthy or not saved.
Realizing that other people haveproblems and that their
behaviors are not reflections ofour self worth and that we are
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safe and that we are worthy and lovable.
And so I've been to combine all obese with well, I can say it to
be. And I think that Alan Watch
calls the perennial philosophy. And that is the the idea basic
spiritual concepts that we can find in all religions, such as
the immortality of man, the importance of love, the
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importance of behaving to our face and way that we would like
them to behave to us. And so it's a combination of
discovering the emotions and thebeliefs that caused our emotions
and then deciding whether we want to alter those emotions by
changing the beliefs that createthose emotions and how we can do
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that. That's pretty multiple process
that we work there and self now at 7:00.
That's amazing. That's amazing.
It parallels, it parallels our work that I've been doing with
the group for quite some time. I I had no history in this
before. I was a general contractor.
So I understand coming from a very mental place and all of a
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sudden starting get this incredible information and your
life changes pretty quick. Absolutely amazing stuff.
Yeah. And.
In our seven-year Self Knowledgeseminar, 14 of those classes are
on your book, Spiritual Psychology.
Oh, nice. And yeah.
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And so each week it was wilted wannabe light lessons and a few
like, lessons. We took 22 sessions.
And what's preventing us from learning those lessons?
So you are part of that son of them.
Oh, thank you, thank you. That's it's like I said, you're
part of the family. So we all, we all kind of reach
out and and touch each other. It's just, it's amazing.
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And I know quite a few other channels.
We talk sometimes and when we talk like that, we end up kind
of carrying a little bit of the message.
Sometimes I use words from them,they use words for me.
We change concept. That's exactly the way it's
supposed to be. We need to get this out into the
world and in the, in the many different ways that we can.
(13:55):
So thank you for, thank you for being a part of that.
That's, that's magical. Yes, we, we've, we've
experienced very similar things.Of course, we've started in a
nonprofit organization here in the United States to be able to
do this work for many years now and always had the the
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interesting struggle about making enough money to put
things on and be able to supportourselves and so forth.
You have a really interesting approach that you did with this
can. Would you mind telling us a
little bit about that and what what took place with that?
You've kind of shared a little bit with me.
Yeah. Well, for some reason, when I
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began, I was 30 years old, I decided that that knowledge and
techniques should never be kept from people for economic
reasons. So I decided that our center
would never have money as the prerequisite, that is, for
someone to follow our seminars or classes.
And actually, I won. And still, even if they stay in
(15:00):
our rooms, so we have a retreat center here, even staying in the
rooms in Ealing, if they don't have money, it's fine.
They can just do that without paying, whether they can offer
less if we started a system called the optional suggested
offering that would have for each class or for the rooms or
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for the eating, whatever that may be.
And it's up to the student to decide what they're going to do
with that. And I'd explain to them that
this is a part of the seminar and making that choice.
If you don't have money, don't feel badly about not them, but
if you do, be conscientious, notice comments they and not
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give anything that them. Don't go to Mykonos or some
island and spend all your money.But we don't control them in any
way. Anyone is free to come and to
walk or not to walk in any way. The suggested occurring is very
low. I mean, it's only $3.00 an hour
if someone is following a seminar, which is very small
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indeed. So.
And in order to do that, I decided that I would have to be
able to live without having money.
So I, I, all these years I've been living in the center, in a,
in a room in the center. And so I wouldn't have to take
any money. It's actually community in which
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you are, We are now about a community of 50 persons.
Only three of us, we lived in the center and the rest of them
come and go and offer the time without any kind of payment.
And we get our frequent year full time and work all day long
on that. We save our room and food and
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electricity and these kinds of things, but no payment.
Absolutely. And so the result of that was
that we were able to actually buy our center in Ather and
create 2 buildings in our retreat center outside and in
nature among the olive trees andthe, and the great vineyards and
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this kind of thing. And for me, it's like, I feel
like I didn't do anything. It's just like this horse, you
know, you know, if someone is anengineer, I can do that without
being paid and the architect andthen, you know, I have a friend
who's an electrician. And then it was just just kind
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of 1 miracle after the other. And this, well, I believe is the
support. I believe that you support the
evolutionary process. The process supports you, and
you don't really have to worry about, of course, no, I'm not.
I don't have any children. So that's a fact, right?
I don't have to put money in thebank or I'm going to any
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university. So that gave me the freedom to
be able to live like that and tomake that choice.
Incredible, you're going to say and and you even and like you
said, you even have rooms for people to stay from, from what
you've told me. Yeah, we have like these small
rooms. It's a yeah.
We have their own kitchen and their own bathroom and at at 2
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levels, 1 bed down below and another level of in another bed.
They're quite comfortable and people come.
We usually stay two in the room unless they really do, they
can't stay outside and they follow the Seminole.
They come down in the morning, we do our exercising, breathing,
meditation. They take their breakfast and
then we do the classes and then they have group discussions
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because a, a large part of our process after the teachings and
the methods is the group work. And so the there's about 40
group facilitators who are willing to ask questions.
And through the questions that they ask for people to discover
what their feelings are, what their beliefs are, and what
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alternative perceptions they canbegin to install in their
conscious and subconscious in order to see things differently
and to be able to experience things with her.
So after the morning clash or the book, so about an hour and a
half and the rest of the class in the evening, it's a
wonderful, a lot of dancing, thesinging, the classes, a lot of
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unity. It's a very nice experience.
Marvelous. Absolutely marvelous.
Now that sounds that sounds absolutely wonderful.
And I'm sure you have people that travel from outside of
Greece, don't you, to, to come to some of these events.
Well, only. Only Greek speaking because
we're doing all of this in Greek.
So yes, they come from England, some come from class and other
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countries, but they're Greeks. For some reason I was never able
to get things going in English. I'm not sure why am I doing this
day. So not even.
I mean, I have 40 books published in Greek but only 6 in
English and they didn't do well at all on the new ones on Amazon
are just being reset. I'm not sure what that is all
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about. I've accepted it.
But yeah, some people sound. I've got the same.
I've got a similar situation. I never, I never my, my first
books were published in in 18 different languages and my last
book was published in four. So yeah, I, I understand it.
It's confusing sometimes it's sometimes it's just like, it's
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kind of like show business in a way.
You, you hit the right mark at the right time and everything.
But. And yet Even so, it always lands
in the hands of the people that need it.
You know, it's always if it's there, if you put it out there.
So you've written 40 books. Did I hear that correctly?
40, Yeah. Yeah.
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Actually, there's two more, two more I've submitted to the
actually one more I've submittedto the publisher and I'm in the
process now by publisher. For some reason thought it would
be a good idea for me to write alocal biography.
I told them, you know, this is not a good idea because my life
was not growing again. It's not very interesting but he
eventually invention me. Actually what he did was put he
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put into the chat GPK for said Hung call the friend and says to
Robert and Jamie Wright and all the by but announcer from the.
Spirit will speak to you in any way.
We'll stop talking. The various reasons is we've
been seeing logical. I think the main reason that's
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been logical is that people havea tendency.
I don't consider myself to be a teacher.
I consider myself to be a spiritual aspirant, a person
studying, seeking to find answers and to improve myself
and never thought of myself as ateacher.
And I always tell people, don't believe something because I say
it, investigate it, think about it, and eventually decide what
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you believe. You know, That's what I feel is
really important. But then when I realized with
this book, my exposing my weaknesses and the things that
I've run through and admitting the various emotions that I have
had and mistakes I've made, whatactually may help people because
you know, there's people feel comfortable with.
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OK, he's in another level. And so I can do I can just be as
I have. And so I think that may be
helpful for people to to stop putting another person on a
pedestal and getting going themselves in responsible for.
That's actually why the group did not want to give me a name.
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I knew that they were multiple entities when I first started
channeling them, but they, you know, all my friends were
starting to channel at the same time.
And even today we have some professional channels that came
from that. But they all said, well, minor
from the 12th dimension and minor from the, you know, the
Akasha and all the other the wonderful names.
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We were all learning at the time.
But the group said, no, we're not going to do that.
We're just going to. I was the one that ended up
calling him the group. So but it, it makes sense and
it's, it's a different type of type of attitude.
It's not about giving your empowerment away, It's about
holding it yourself, claiming itand stepping into it, allowing
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yourself to make the mistakes, allowing yourself to flow
through it, to become aware of your emotions and many of the
aspects that you've been talkingabout here.
I, I totally agree with with what you've been working with.
That's absolutely beautiful. So you have, if I may, you've,
you have a wide variety of topics that you cover then that
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basically cover the spiritual psychology aspect of things.
And I don't mean that about my book.
I mean about all of it to to be able to really cover the
emotions and the human experience.
It's just that's magical. That's magical.
And I also heard you say that you worked with heart math as
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well. So one of the things that we're,
we do quite a bit of is getting into, it's interesting because
I'm, I love science. I absolutely love science, lives
in a different world than we work in.
But the connections, especially with quantum physics and quantum
science, they seem to validate alot of the teachings that the
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group has been giving me. So hopefully we're getting a
little closer to bringing some of that together.
In some ways very, very beautiful actually.
One one of our earlier seminars was quantum philosophy.
There you go. Each.
Each week I would actually, I think I showed you a small part
of some quantum physics and thenhow we can relate that to our
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reality and how really everything is just an illusion.
There's nothing actually physical, it's 99.99% empty.
And that the Witness is creating, pausing this field of
possibilities to take us over the farm.
And so actually 1 of this is quantum philosophy.
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That's fascinating. That's absolutely fascinating.
Yeah, I've used especially the especially the quantum, well,
the the quantum entanglement just basically talks about us,
we're all connected in differentways.
So to be able to relate that to in a scientific way for me was
just very powerful. And, and the other one was the
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the double slit experiment wherethey found out that it does
these strange things and then ifthey turned off the camera, it
does something else. So OPS are US witnessing us,
observing us, us being the witness to anything changes it.
And that that just shows that we're conscious creators to me.
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And that's, that's really at theheart of a lot of our work to
talking about making, making your own choices, stepping
forward, doing your own work andbringing it forward in that way.
That's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
What would you like to share? With people.
And you're like, you saw that and you're recent.
I, I received your, I saw your recent discussion in which I
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answered questions and you said something very important.
If you don't like the reality you're creating, create another
one, especially with by thinkingdifferently, speaking
differently and acting different.
And it's so important for us to understand that we are actually
creating. For me, that's 50% of the job,
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taking full responsibility of the reality and not only
creating but also attracting in many way.
I wanted to ask you, are you using the whole Bono Bono at
all? Using when.
How are you on the Bono The Age Hawaiian method?
Well, I have not, I have not heard about it until just
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recently. So no, I, I, I believe that from
what the group's telling me right now, we're using the
principles, but we don't know the method.
That's yes, it's. Exactly.
It's it's letting go of contracts, right.
Exactly that what we're saying that you see something you don't
like and you say I'm sorry for my participation in creating
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this. I add also I thank you for the
possibilities of learning through this experience.
I love you, I love myself and I threw you.
There's the negating of the contract I threw you from the
necessity to continue to exist as what that could be someone's
behavior. It could be an illness, it could
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be an economic problem. And then I thank God for for
removing from me whatever in me is contributing to this reality.
And so for me, it's really the removal of the contract.
It's it's a beautiful experienceand it goes so well with what we
teach the. Synchronicities are abounding.
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I just heard that in a movie last night and it's a it's a
Hawaiian tradition, isn't it? Why, Yeah, yeah, in fact.
It's a Hawaiian tradition up there.
Yeah. That they they they use for a
lot of things from the group's perspective, that's they've been
teaching it. We've been teaching in a
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different way, obviously, which is really what the group likes
to do. They like to give a different
view of things and then kind of type tie truce in a different
way so the people can see it in different aspects.
But I will use that one that that is that is a absolutely
beautiful thing to remember. Thank you.
What was it? Thank you.
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I'm I'm responsible. This I love you.
I forgive you. Please forgive me.
And was there a fifth one or notthat I?
I agree. That's so important.
I'm. I'm seeing the contract.
OK, we're done. We don't need this contract
anymore. You don't have to.
You don't have to shout at me anymore.
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You don't have to abuse me anymore.
Well, my my liver doesn't have to bother me anymore.
It's an amazing method and it and it really works.
Yeah. No, it does.
We, we've been, like I said, we've been doing, we actually
did a whole seminar on scriptingconscious contracts, which are
contracts that are made on this side of the veil that we
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basically can engage at any time.
We've had a lot of people come to me as a spiritual teacher, as
a group, as a spiritual teacher and say, how many contracts do I
have left? What do I need to do?
And they go, no, you don't understand.
The contracts are only potentials.
You choose where you go, you, you, you follow your path and
you create it. And it's, it's absolutely
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amazing. And the other one that they have
talked about even in the first book was responsibility being
the balance to power. The more responsibility you can
take for your life and your connection, the more power you
basically have over everything in your environment around you.
That's, that's beautiful. I can't wait to talk with you
(30:15):
some more. So we're going to we're going to
have some fun together at some point.
I'm this is. Yeah.
Absolutely. I'd, I'd love to and if you ever
come out this way, you please let me know.
And if I come out that way, I'llthe we, we will hook up at some
point. Absolutely.
Well, I think it's more likely. That we will come here.
So we'll be waiting for you. Thank you.
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Thank you. OK, one final piece.
What would you like our people to know?
What would you what would you like to to give something that's
important to you for? Me there are two very important
OH guideline for my life to liveour lives according to our
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beliefs and to always behave forothers as with the light come to
behave to all but maybe for my guiding principles and I hope
everyone else will. I mean, I'm not asking 1 to do
anyone to do anything that I believe anything I say.
Decide that you believe in the recording.
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Beautiful. OK.
And also can you tell us the name of your website?
I will put it up here on the on the screen as well.
Well, it's WWW. And then the period harmonique
Zoe. It means harmonious life
harmonique zoe.com. And there's the English section,
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which is smaller and the Greek section, which is yours is 4000
videos on on YouTube. All right, so there's that and
they're basically all free. So but they're also but they're
about 200 videos in Andrew, so seek them up quite a bit to.
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Look for we look forward to lookforward to seeing it and and do
it further. My friend, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you for being on the show with us here today and thank you
for I honor you Sir. Like I'm thrilled to be
connected with you. We will we will dance again.
Trust me. Thank you, Robert.
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Thank you for that for that willreturn turn you to the studio.
Thanks everybody for being here today.
A spa, everybody.
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