In this Back Story podcast, Steve interviews Ekaterina Samoylova, a spiritual teacher in Moscow, Russia. Ekaterina attended one of Steve and Barbara’s seminars in Russia some years ago, where she was already a rising star in the corporate world.
Since then, she has transformed her life dramatically, received her master’s degree in psychology, and is now a well-known regressologist, channeler, energy therapist, and spiritual teacher in the Russian language. In her inspiring journey, she shares how she discovered her true calling and navigated the challenges that led her to embrace her full power.
Today, Ekaterina travels extensively and runs a thriving school dedicated to teaching channeling and other spiritual topics.
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Music. Hi everybody, welcome today.
I'm glad you're with us for the podcast today.
I'm very excited to bring you a Katarina.
She's she's she's working in different parts of the world and
I get to work in she's done someincredible things and she's one
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of these people that we really want, we think you really want
to get to know. So she, her work is spanned over
several countries and she's really, really reached out and
making a difference in the world.
And we're going to kind of pick her, pick her brain a little bit
and talk about some of the things that that that that she
wants to share with you, as wellas how she got here and some of
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the interesting. Katrina.
Welcome Hun. Thank you.
Thank you so much, Steve. Very happy to be here.
Glad you're with us. Thanks for being here.
OK, so tell me, how did you get started in this?
You and I met years ago when I was doing a seminar with Barbara
in Russia, and we. Yeah.
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I don't think you were doing anyof the work at that time, were
you? No, not at all.
Absolutely. I was when we first met, I was
still in the corporate world andI was looking, I was doing my
soul search and, you know, reading books.
And actually your workshop was the first spirituality workshop
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I went to at that time, the veryfirst one.
It just so happened. I think I'm so blessed to to to
have that experience is my firstexperience in in that world.
And it was amazing and it touched my heart so deeply that
it influenced me and still influencing me in my life.
And I will show share all the details.
But you know, wanted to give youa word back in case you want to
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say something else. And then I will continue with my
story. Sure.
No. What?
What were you? What were you doing in the
corporate world? What kind of work were you
doing? Well, I was in Procter and
Gamble. I was, I, I had a career path
there changing different things,what I was doing.
And it took me 4 years to realize that even though I was
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pretty successful, I mean, I wasrated one in, you know, whole,
whole company, which is like 5%.And I got a reward that only 2%
of the company gets. And you know, I, I was, I was
really going fast in my career and, you know, was doing great
and everybody was saying, well, you're so young, you're so lucky
to be in such a company and havea, such a great start and
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everything. And then after four years, I
realized that's not what I want to do in my life.
Interesting. And I quit and everybody was
like, why are you doing this is crazy.
Nobody quits a career like that,you know, out of nowhere, like
where are you going? And I'm like, I'm not even sure
where I'm going, but I'm going. But I'm going.
I'm taking the steps. Awesome.
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Yeah, awesome. I bet that was scary too.
You, you know, You. You.
I, I, I don't think I've really had an option not to do that.
He was very strong at that time that, you know, I, I just knew I
needed to do that. And I also had some experiences
that showed me that I, I have topretty much, I started having
spiritual experiences by the time already.
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And one of them was that after atrip to Nepal, I had a Buddhist
monk touch me by forehead. And after that I started seeing
things that, you know, people don't see.
And when I after days, after three days, I came back to after
my vacation, I came back to the Moscow city and I saw that an
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energetic sense. It was such a heavy energy.
It looked like oil, You know, I,I was seeing, I was seeing
energetic fields of people. I was seeing vibrations and
energies. And I could see when people lied
to each other because their energy was telling different
things that their words were saying.
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It was amazing. It was a really interesting, but
when I got into, into that field, it was very heavy and
very sick and people looked likethey were almost blind.
And they told me at the same time that if I stay there, my
ability will evaporate in one day.
And it did. But at that time I, I was
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hesitating. Should I stay?
Should I not stay? But at that time when I had that
experience, I kind of like, I had no other option.
I, I knew I had to go, you know,there, there were no other
options. So it wasn't about fear at that
time. I had to do it.
And so regardless of my career, of everything, it, it was it, it
was that step of faith that I'm being guided, you know, that I
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have to do it. And that that's also when you
came in, I, I mean. It's going to say, I know that
feeling. Yeah, yeah, you.
Know that feeling I've had that.You, you have to do that change.
And so the first time we met, itwas your workshop.
I want to start the, the story before that point.
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So it was before my decision to exit.
I was just just entering all of this magical world and thinking
like, wow, this is, this is so amazing.
People who have this ability of challenge are so blessed.
They're so special, they're different.
And when I came to a workshop, I, I had this really connection
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with home. And it started with you saying
that I know you when you recognize me at the soul level,
That's, that's the first thing that you said to me.
I know you, yes. And you said something about me
being an, A potential alternative contract as, as one
of her, yours and Barbara's children, which you could have
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had like a big amount, I'm not sure.
But it wasn't about that mostly.But that feeling of me
recognizing you and then you returning it back to me was
magical because I never had thatbefore.
People don't tell that to each other, you know, normally.
And that expanded me a lot. And then you showed I was at the
pineal gland activation workshopand then you showed all the
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techniques on me. And so you kind of like invited
me into your magical world. That's how I felt, you know?
And so one year later, yes, I exited the company.
I started my project. I opened up a a place where
people could do different practices and meditations and do
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yoga, but I wasn't doing my workyet.
I was thinking, OK, I'm a good organizer.
I'm a good manager. You know, I can create a space
for people to be enlightened. That's what I thought at that
time. And I did.
I used my savings for that. And I was all excited.
And then you came again a year later to Russia, and I came to a
session with you. And that time I was pregnant
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with my son and my son is 14 now, so no 1313.
So, you know, it's been a long time.
So when we first met, I think itwas like 15 years ago.
So yeah. So it's the the session was 14
years ago because he's 13 now. But what you said at that time.
So I was coming to the session expecting that you would say
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good show girl, you're going exited the company, you're doing
the right thing. And you told me completely
different story. You said, well, you haven't even
started yet, darling. Oh.
What? Why?
What's wrong? What, what am I doing wrong?
You know, and and and you said. I don't remember now all the
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details, but the main idea was that you, you are just like
making your life brighter and eventually you will be, well,
not like you will be. You are a teacher for teachers,
you said right? And I was like what?
What, what teacher for what teachers?
What are you doing? So I, I had no idea at the time
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that I will be also doing the work you are doing.
But what happened when I was at your workshop, I now remembered
it. I was sitting in the audience.
There were about like 75 people in the audience who were in a
nice hotel. It was all beautiful, organized.
You were there with Barbara sitting.
And of course I, I, I knew we were traveling the world and I
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was looking at you and thinking,that's my dream.
I want to do the same. I want to travel the world doing
my workshops like that and, you know, sharing, sharing wisdom
with people. And so I, I had that feeling of
that's something, something I would also like to do, but I had
no idea at that time what, how whatsoever, you know, So I
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started with just opening up a little space that wasn't really
paying off at all and all of that.
But it's at least I felt that, you know, moving.
I'm doing my steps, I'm doing some kind of work to start with,
you know, and then they told me that I'm supposed to be sharing
with them and I have no clue. And of course it took me some
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years to get there. And I also saw some dreams that
showed me tell me on the stage and all of that.
And I had no idea how about what, how it's going to happen,
but I had the trust and this feeling that I'll get there
somehow. And, and it was a long walk.
I mean, it took me, it took me years.
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It took me years to get there, but my reality now is exactly
what you shared at that time, which I had no idea about
because I am doing part of the work that the group said that
everybody will be channeling eventually.
And I'm, I'm working on that too, because several years ago,
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about eight years ago, I, I realized I could Channel 2.
And I mean, it just also happened to me spontaneously.
And then I started exploring andthen I started sharing it with
people. And then I started teaching it
eventually. So now after, after some time, I
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realized that it's not some special ability that I thought
in the beginning that it's yes, it is a gift, but it's something
that you can open up. It's something that you can
actually develop. And I, I analyzed how it
happened to me and I put it together as a course.
And now it so happened that I have the biggest channelling
school in all post post USSR countries in Russian.
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So for Russian speaking people, but concerning like how many
countries? I, I think I have over 50
countries in terms of students from different countries, but
they're all Russian speaking because that's the audience I
serve, right? Sure.
Some of them say, why don't you do it in English?
And I say, well, maybe one of these days, but there are the
teachers in English. You know, it sounds like you're
pretty busy. Yeah, I am.
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So, so that you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That's perfect. Yeah, and that's not the only
course I have. I mean, yes, I have a, a big
online school, it's in top 100 online schools in Russia in
across all different topics. So I I feel very fortunate to be
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able to to share openly this spiritual knowledge across.
Across my. And I also mix it with
psychology because just for people to be more comfortable, I
went and got the traditional education.
I have master's degree in psychology and so I can explain
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things in a mix. So it's easier for people to to
incorporate it, you know, to, tolet it be more comfortable for
them. Very magical.
So you went and got your You went and got your master's
degree after all this. Yes, incredible.
Because I needed to. And the guys told me that I had
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to do it because I had some resistance.
Like, why do I need to have a degree if I'm already doing my
work? I'm already serving people, you
know? And they said, no, I have to do
it because it will open up more doors for me.
And it did. It did because some people, when
you say some of this, you know, spiritual things, channeling,
regression, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, yeah, I don't
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know what that is, but when you say, OK, I, I, I, you know, I
have master's degree in psychology and I also expand my
work in exploring other things, then they're kind of more open
to it. So it did open more doors.
And I'm happy I did it, it, it, it.
And it helped me also to, to ground some of the knowledge,
you know, so I'm, I'm really glad I did it.
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So you're traveling quite a bit right now.
Is that is? Is that where most of your work
is, or most of your work online?It's a mix more online these
days for a number of reasons. Obviously it it's more difficult
to travel from Russia at least, but I have been doing for also
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about about 15 years tours and retreats from the world.
I've been, I visited about over 20 countries with with my events
and spoken in different places. So it's also part of my work,
but it's not the main part at this time at least.
Yeah, and of course I do also offline events like the one I
invited you to be. Of course, you can only join
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online, but you're the only speaker who will who is allowed
to be online. So the the event that you're
doing, which is coming up this weekend.
Yes, it is October 5th. Yeah, it's coming up pretty
soon. So anyway, that the event is is
all in person. It's in Moscow.
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Yes, excellent. Yeah, well, I'm very honored to
be there and and be be able to be online with you guys.
That's that's very magical. We're looking forward to it a
lot. Well, that that's that's really
magical. So tell me about the beginning
that this is where a lot of our people start because a lot of
our people get into this and they very similar story.
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They they start off and thinking, Oh, I just want to see
what this guy has or I want to see what see what channelling is
all about or something and try it on.
And then they start moving into it.
And that's many times the challenges, those first steps to
be able to be able to figure outthe best way to do it.
Did you write, did you write a book?
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Did you or did you do this all online?
How did that work for you? Well, it's, it's a very good
question and a lot of people have this question, I know, but
I, I didn't try it for some reason.
It's something that I've been wanting to do since childhood
but still haven't done and I'm probably still preparing for it
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at some level. But for me, what what worked was
I so I was doing my one-on-one work and small group work and
you know, growing slowly with the just word of the mouth.
And I, I didn't touch any kind of marketing for years because
it didn't feel right for a very long time.
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And it started later when, you know, when I created a school
and I needed to keep it all working and going.
So I did start with marketing later, but when I already had a
pretty big team and the first steps, what, what helped me was
to be to work with another master.
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I think that also helps very much because after meeting you,
you stopped coming to Russia very soon after that.
And there was another channeler that I met 1st through books,
the same as you, and then through his personal work and I
became one of the organizers forhim to come to Russia.
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Salary Kelly. I don't know if you heard of his
name or not. Who?
Who is it? Salary Kelly.
Oh, OK. Yeah, I have.
Yes, I have good you. Know so so I worked with him
with for a number of years as a translator and as an organizer.
And so I combined my work, my, my personal work with assisting
his work. And it worked out amazingly
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because working with him as a translator, I spent a lot of
time being in channel. And that's how I learned how to
channel right? Really, because I started
feeling it when, you know, I started receiving messages
before he said it, right before I translated to know that how
that works. So that really helped me to to
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develop my skills on one hand. And on the other hand, of course
I met a lot of people because they were coming to him and they
were getting to know me. And so that was kind of, you
know, because for some people, the book is the way how people
get to know you and for me. It used to be, it used to be the
only way that people could do and now it's now everything is
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opened up in so many different ways.
That's wonderful. Yeah, that's true.
You can do a lot of things online and but I went online
later actually. It was also like, you know, I
shared some of my thoughts and ideas and you know, thought of
the day kind of thing and I started YouTube.
So it all came together. It combined so little bit from
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here, little bit from there and started getting together and
people liked more work and they kept coming and it kept growing.
So after years it, it developed it, it wasn't like a quick jump
because someone event happened. It was just path of growth.
Yes. And I, I like to compare it with
the tree. The tree grows by rings and
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every year you have to work to make it a little bit bigger, a
little bit bigger. And that's how it happened to
me, you know? Beautiful way, beautiful way to
put it. That's magical.
And and you're pretty busy with Instagram, but looks like too,
you've got a pretty, pretty goodfollowing over there from what
I've seen. Yeah, do.
But now I have a team to help with that.
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So it's not just me doing all the work.
I wouldn't be able to live my life if I did all of.
This I know that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So no, I'm, I'm done with tryingto do everything myself.
It, it doesn't work. I, you know, you, you just get
to to emotional. I don't know how to say it in
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English, but you burn out. You burn out.
Exactly. Do everything.
So, yeah, so I have a team helping me and I'm in the point
where I feel comfortable with everything working.
You know, I'm doing my work, they're doing their work, and
I'm fine. With that magical, magical,
incredible. So, so you're, you're doing a
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lot of work with the school. You're doing some special events
in Russia, but also other countries too.
You just got back from Turkey, did you not?
Yeah, well, that was a personal trip.
But this year already did 3 retreats, 1 was in Japan, one in
China, one in Iceland. More.
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No, and in Turkey as well. Yes, and one was in Turkey.
SO44 retreats 5-1 in Russia. So yeah, I, I, I, I do have a
pretty business casual. Oh, that's so magical.
That's, that's wonderful. It's, it's incredible.
That's part of the the part of what we experienced too, when we
were traveling to different places where we needed
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translators. We needed translators in South
America, we needed translators in Japan and different places
that we went and Russia. And the fascinating part about
that is they all. They all came to me.
All of my translators ended up coming to me and saying the same
thing that you're talking about.I think I'm channelling the
group. I think I'm getting it just
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before you're, just before you're saying it.
And we, we, we've, that was kindof a commonality.
And then we found that sometimespeople that would come to the
seminars regularly, the, the regulars that were always there
in the front row, they were getting it too.
They were, they could almost tell kind of what was happening.
So it was really a fascinating way to to do things and really a
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beautiful connection that was just very magical.
I had that happen in in my groups as well because people in
my meditations, even online meditations, it's the same thing
people do get to in the channel and they get it before you even
say it. Yep.
And then you say it and they say, well, we just experienced
it before you said it, you know,so it's absolutely normal.
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And I now tell people exactly the same thing that you in the
group say that it's a natural thing.
You just have to open up to it. And it shows up, you know, and I
have a lot of proofs for that with my students.
And so it's beautiful. So what would you like to say to
everybody? What, what is your, what is,
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what is on your plate right now?What would you, what are you
working with? What, what, what?
What do you have for the world that you'd like to share with
us? Well, probably won't be unique,
but it's something that, you know, that's the main thing in
my path and something that's universal for everyone.
You have to follow your passion.You have to follow your passion
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no matter how hard it is, and you have to be very honest with
yourself, very honest in what you truly feel, what you truly
want. Because we're so good at making
up stories about something why we have.
Reason. Not to blah blah blah, you know,
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this is lying. This is lying to self.
But there's no point of doing that.
That is betraying yourself, you know, So I'm all about and I
always push for that. Yeah.
The, the path is not always hard.
And I've had ups and downs and I've had months where I went in,
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in like my expenses were more than my, what we made.
And, you know, I had, I had to, to, to take out money from my
pockets to, to have it going. And, you know, different things
happen throughout times. I mean, I had a lot of personal
changes, divorces, all of that. And you know, life is life.
It will always bring something to work on, but it doesn't mean
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you have excuses not to continueyour path and your passion and
your, your life. And if you have, if you feel
that calling, there's no way. I mean, there are ways people
people manage to not to follow, but it's it's a path to hinder.
Yeah, but when you when you, when you see that smile on your
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face and that glow that you have, you, you understand what
you're what's happening because when you're on your spirit's
purpose like that, you're walking in harmony with your
spirit every day. And that is that is just a
different lifestyle. It sometimes it doesn't fit in
the world. Sometimes you run into problems.
Sometimes I've had to do the same thing, take money out of my
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own accounts to pay for something or to figure out
something. I asked a group about that.
Sometimes I said, well, will youhelp me with money?
And they laughed at me. They thought that was so funny
because they said this is a gamethat you make up inside of
another game, inside of another game that's built on perception
of perception. And you want us to tell you
where it's going. They thought that was hilarious.
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So anyway, the reality is we getI.
Know. So anyway, we all get a step, we
are going to step through it, but it is so joyous to see you,
what you're doing and how you'reaffecting the world.
And you're, you're really makinga difference here with a lot of
a lot of the energies that you're that you're working with.
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And I am just so incredibly proud of you.
I really AM, you know, we adopted daughters all over the
world and some of them have justincredibly blown up and and done
their own thing and it's just absolutely magical to watch.
So we're we're so honored to have you here with us too.
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So what would you like to share with?
Go ahead. Actually about you and many of
my webinars, especially in the channeling webinar, when I share
with people about the this option to learn channeling, I
always tell them about you and about your prediction in my life
and how it all came together andhow Chandling seen something out
there and amazing, but unreachable to to where it's,
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you know, where it's here and it's your impact in my life.
Even though we met just a very few times, every time was kind
of like a push towards my mission.
And so there's so much gratitudeto you in my heart and so much
admiration that you continue your work no matter what, no
matter the, you know, the losses, the changes, everything.
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You still, you still shine bright as much as years ago.
And I'm so grateful for you keeping up with that beautiful
work. Thank you.
And we, we miss the Russian family.
I got to tell you we, we, we weren't able to continue going
there for a while, but we reallymiss the people.
The people are just absolutely incredible.
And I'm so happy that you're that you're doing this and
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reaching out not just in Russia,but all the Russians speaking
family. It's just absolutely incredible.
A good job, my dear, good job. I'm really proud of you.
Any any final thing you'd like to share with the with the
audience before we leave? Before I do, I want to say that
I think my work is in a way prolongation of your work.
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You know, I, I, I like this vision of drops in the water and
circles coming out. So your work expanded in my work
and then my students it extends further and it continues and
goes like that. So that's that really touches my
heart. Thank you so much.
You, you, you really touched me with this.
I, I really appreciate it. I really do thank.
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You so much I I do feel it like that, very much so.
And final words, keep your hearts alive.
Keep, keep, keep your passion going, keep your eyes tearing
sometimes. And this is how life is, and
it's beautiful. How would people reach you or
how can they tell us about your website?
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It's a podcast, so some of it's going to go out and audio and
some of it will go out in video.So tell us how they can reach
you, how they how they can find you.
Well, I best probably to give you the link to my website.
It's all in Russian, so. Won't.
Help. Cyrillic will not come across
OK. Yes, I don't have much happening
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in English yet, even though I'vebeen having people asking for it
for a while, but it's it's it's coming in the future, I believe
I I think it should it will be and but just not there yet being
too busy with the Russian audience so far.
So yes, I can share my Instagram.
I can share my website, my YouTube.
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Some of them can be translated like YouTube can be translated
as you know so. But yeah, most of it is still in
Russian so far. We'll, we'll put it in links for
people so they can find out where you're at and, and follow
you if they wish and so forth todo it.
And if you need help with the English language, I'm here.
My dear, I would love to open some doors for you.
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I'm so, I'm so proud of you. Thank you for sharing your,
your, your work with us and the energy that you're working with.
We're, we all need this, you know, and, and when I started
the, this whole process, my wifeBarbara was probably my biggest
critic because she said only thePope talks to God and you're not
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the Pope. She, she basically said that we
got, we have that clear really quick.
So it took a while for her, but you know, in the beginning, it
was very strange to have channels, to have people
speaking to spirit like this. And today, thanks to you and the
work that we're doing and so many others, it's becoming
commonplace. Exactly like the group said.
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And it is, you know, I believe we all tapped into it anyway.
I think. I think the photographer calls
it inspiration and the musician plays it, brings it through in a
different way. And we all tend to tap into this
energy, but when we can really tap into that heart energy and
bring that through for not only ourselves, but for other people,
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it's magical. And I'm very, very proud of you.
Very proud of you. Good job.
I'm so grateful to to be able toto be in touch with you after so
many years and able to share because my success in a way is
yours too. You, you showed me this stuff.
Absolutely, my honor, my dear, absolutely my honor.
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So we will play together. I'll bring you back.
We'll we'll keep you we'll keep updated here with the with our
groups and as to what's going onwith you, but wanted to
introduce you. It's it's we're with this
podcast, we're trying to bring people on that I know people
would love to get to know. And you are absolutely one of
them. So thank you for being with us
here today, Steve. I'm very happy and very honored
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I love you. I'll talk to you later.
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we'll find your links on our website here and other places as
well. So thank you for being with us.
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Enjoy. And we will be back again with
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Music. Hi everybody, welcome today.
I'm glad you're with us for the podcast today.
I'm very excited to bring you a Katarina.
She's she's she's working in different parts of the world and
I get to work in she's done someincredible things and she's one
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of these people that we really want, we think you really want
to get to know. So she, her work is spanned over
several countries and she's really, really reached out and
making a difference in the world.
And we're going to kind of pick her, pick her brain a little bit
and talk about some of the things that that that that she
wants to share with you, as wellas how she got here and some of
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the interesting. Katrina.
Welcome Hun. Thank you.
Thank you so much, Steve. Very happy to be here.
Glad you're with us. Thanks for being here.
OK, so tell me, how did you get started in this?
You and I met years ago when I was doing a seminar with Barbara
in Russia, and we. Yeah.
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I don't think you were doing anyof the work at that time, were
you? No, not at all.
Absolutely. I was when we first met, I was
still in the corporate world andI was looking, I was doing my
soul search and, you know, reading books.
And actually your workshop was the first spirituality workshop
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I went to at that time, the veryfirst one.
It just so happened. I think I'm so blessed to to to
have that experience is my firstexperience in in that world.
And it was amazing and it touched my heart so deeply that
it influenced me and still influencing me in my life.
And I will show share all the details.
But you know, wanted to give youa word back in case you want to
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say something else. And then I will continue with my
story. Sure.
No. What?
What were you? What were you doing in the
corporate world? What kind of work were you
doing? Well, I was in Procter and
Gamble. I was, I, I had a career path
there changing different things,what I was doing.
And it took me 4 years to realize that even though I was
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pretty successful, I mean, I wasrated one in, you know, whole,
whole company, which is like 5%.And I got a reward that only 2%
of the company gets. And you know, I, I was, I was
really going fast in my career and, you know, was doing great
and everybody was saying, well, you're so young, you're so lucky
to be in such a company and havea, such a great start and
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everything. And then after four years, I
realized that's not what I want to do in my life.
Interesting. And I quit and everybody was
like, why are you doing this is crazy.
Nobody quits a career like that,you know, out of nowhere, like
where are you going? And I'm like, I'm not even sure
where I'm going, but I'm going. But I'm going.
I'm taking the steps. Awesome.
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Yeah, awesome. I bet that was scary too.
You, you know, You. You.
I, I, I don't think I've really had an option not to do that.
He was very strong at that time that, you know, I, I just knew I
needed to do that. And I also had some experiences
that showed me that I, I have topretty much, I started having
spiritual experiences by the time already.
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And one of them was that after atrip to Nepal, I had a Buddhist
monk touch me by forehead. And after that I started seeing
things that, you know, people don't see.
And when I after days, after three days, I came back to after
my vacation, I came back to the Moscow city and I saw that an
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energetic sense. It was such a heavy energy.
It looked like oil, You know, I,I was seeing, I was seeing
energetic fields of people. I was seeing vibrations and
energies. And I could see when people lied
to each other because their energy was telling different
things that their words were saying.
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It was amazing. It was a really interesting, but
when I got into, into that field, it was very heavy and
very sick and people looked likethey were almost blind.
And they told me at the same time that if I stay there, my
ability will evaporate in one day.
And it did. But at that time I, I was
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hesitating. Should I stay?
Should I not stay? But at that time when I had that
experience, I kind of like, I had no other option.
I, I knew I had to go, you know,there, there were no other
options. So it wasn't about fear at that
time. I had to do it.
And so regardless of my career, of everything, it, it was it, it
was that step of faith that I'm being guided, you know, that I
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have to do it. And that that's also when you
came in, I, I mean. It's going to say, I know that
feeling. Yeah, yeah, you.
Know that feeling I've had that.You, you have to do that change.
And so the first time we met, itwas your workshop.
I want to start the, the story before that point.
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So it was before my decision to exit.
I was just just entering all of this magical world and thinking
like, wow, this is, this is so amazing.
People who have this ability of challenge are so blessed.
They're so special, they're different.
And when I came to a workshop, I, I had this really connection
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with home. And it started with you saying
that I know you when you recognize me at the soul level,
That's, that's the first thing that you said to me.
I know you, yes. And you said something about me
being an, A potential alternative contract as, as one
of her, yours and Barbara's children, which you could have
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had like a big amount, I'm not sure.
But it wasn't about that mostly.But that feeling of me
recognizing you and then you returning it back to me was
magical because I never had thatbefore.
People don't tell that to each other, you know, normally.
And that expanded me a lot. And then you showed I was at the
pineal gland activation workshopand then you showed all the
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techniques on me. And so you kind of like invited
me into your magical world. That's how I felt, you know?
And so one year later, yes, I exited the company.
I started my project. I opened up a a place where
people could do different practices and meditations and do
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yoga, but I wasn't doing my workyet.
I was thinking, OK, I'm a good organizer.
I'm a good manager. You know, I can create a space
for people to be enlightened. That's what I thought at that
time. And I did.
I used my savings for that. And I was all excited.
And then you came again a year later to Russia, and I came to a
session with you. And that time I was pregnant
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with my son and my son is 14 now, so no 1313.
So, you know, it's been a long time.
So when we first met, I think itwas like 15 years ago.
So yeah. So it's the the session was 14
years ago because he's 13 now. But what you said at that time.
So I was coming to the session expecting that you would say
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good show girl, you're going exited the company, you're doing
the right thing. And you told me completely
different story. You said, well, you haven't even
started yet, darling. Oh.
What? Why?
What's wrong? What, what am I doing wrong?
You know, and and and you said. I don't remember now all the
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details, but the main idea was that you, you are just like
making your life brighter and eventually you will be, well,
not like you will be. You are a teacher for teachers,
you said right? And I was like what?
What, what teacher for what teachers?
What are you doing? So I, I had no idea at the time
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that I will be also doing the work you are doing.
But what happened when I was at your workshop, I now remembered
it. I was sitting in the audience.
There were about like 75 people in the audience who were in a
nice hotel. It was all beautiful, organized.
You were there with Barbara sitting.
And of course I, I, I knew we were traveling the world and I
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was looking at you and thinking,that's my dream.
I want to do the same. I want to travel the world doing
my workshops like that and, you know, sharing, sharing wisdom
with people. And so I, I had that feeling of
that's something, something I would also like to do, but I had
no idea at that time what, how whatsoever, you know, So I
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started with just opening up a little space that wasn't really
paying off at all and all of that.
But it's at least I felt that, you know, moving.
I'm doing my steps, I'm doing some kind of work to start with,
you know, and then they told me that I'm supposed to be sharing
with them and I have no clue. And of course it took me some
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years to get there. And I also saw some dreams that
showed me tell me on the stage and all of that.
And I had no idea how about what, how it's going to happen,
but I had the trust and this feeling that I'll get there
somehow. And, and it was a long walk.
I mean, it took me, it took me years.
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It took me years to get there, but my reality now is exactly
what you shared at that time, which I had no idea about
because I am doing part of the work that the group said that
everybody will be channeling eventually.
And I'm, I'm working on that too, because several years ago,
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about eight years ago, I, I realized I could Channel 2.
And I mean, it just also happened to me spontaneously.
And then I started exploring andthen I started sharing it with
people. And then I started teaching it
eventually. So now after, after some time, I
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realized that it's not some special ability that I thought
in the beginning that it's yes, it is a gift, but it's something
that you can open up. It's something that you can
actually develop. And I, I analyzed how it
happened to me and I put it together as a course.
And now it so happened that I have the biggest channelling
school in all post post USSR countries in Russian.
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So for Russian speaking people, but concerning like how many
countries? I, I think I have over 50
countries in terms of students from different countries, but
they're all Russian speaking because that's the audience I
serve, right? Sure.
Some of them say, why don't you do it in English?
And I say, well, maybe one of these days, but there are the
teachers in English. You know, it sounds like you're
pretty busy. Yeah, I am.
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So, so that you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That's perfect. Yeah, and that's not the only
course I have. I mean, yes, I have a, a big
online school, it's in top 100 online schools in Russia in
across all different topics. So I I feel very fortunate to be
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able to to share openly this spiritual knowledge across.
Across my. And I also mix it with
psychology because just for people to be more comfortable, I
went and got the traditional education.
I have master's degree in psychology and so I can explain
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things in a mix. So it's easier for people to to
incorporate it, you know, to, tolet it be more comfortable for
them. Very magical.
So you went and got your You went and got your master's
degree after all this. Yes, incredible.
Because I needed to. And the guys told me that I had
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to do it because I had some resistance.
Like, why do I need to have a degree if I'm already doing my
work? I'm already serving people, you
know? And they said, no, I have to do
it because it will open up more doors for me.
And it did. It did because some people, when
you say some of this, you know, spiritual things, channeling,
regression, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, yeah, I don't
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know what that is, but when you say, OK, I, I, I, you know, I
have master's degree in psychology and I also expand my
work in exploring other things, then they're kind of more open
to it. So it did open more doors.
And I'm happy I did it, it, it, it.
And it helped me also to, to ground some of the knowledge,
you know, so I'm, I'm really glad I did it.
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So you're traveling quite a bit right now.
Is that is? Is that where most of your work
is, or most of your work online?It's a mix more online these
days for a number of reasons. Obviously it it's more difficult
to travel from Russia at least, but I have been doing for also
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about about 15 years tours and retreats from the world.
I've been, I visited about over 20 countries with with my events
and spoken in different places. So it's also part of my work,
but it's not the main part at this time at least.
Yeah, and of course I do also offline events like the one I
invited you to be. Of course, you can only join
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online, but you're the only speaker who will who is allowed
to be online. So the the event that you're
doing, which is coming up this weekend.
Yes, it is October 5th. Yeah, it's coming up pretty
soon. So anyway, that the event is is
all in person. It's in Moscow.
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Yes, excellent. Yeah, well, I'm very honored to
be there and and be be able to be online with you guys.
That's that's very magical. We're looking forward to it a
lot. Well, that that's that's really
magical. So tell me about the beginning
that this is where a lot of our people start because a lot of
our people get into this and they very similar story.
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They they start off and thinking, Oh, I just want to see
what this guy has or I want to see what see what channelling is
all about or something and try it on.
And then they start moving into it.
And that's many times the challenges, those first steps to
be able to be able to figure outthe best way to do it.
Did you write, did you write a book?
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Did you or did you do this all online?
How did that work for you? Well, it's, it's a very good
question and a lot of people have this question, I know, but
I, I didn't try it for some reason.
It's something that I've been wanting to do since childhood
but still haven't done and I'm probably still preparing for it
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at some level. But for me, what what worked was
I so I was doing my one-on-one work and small group work and
you know, growing slowly with the just word of the mouth.
And I, I didn't touch any kind of marketing for years because
it didn't feel right for a very long time.
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And it started later when, you know, when I created a school
and I needed to keep it all working and going.
So I did start with marketing later, but when I already had a
pretty big team and the first steps, what, what helped me was
to be to work with another master.
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I think that also helps very much because after meeting you,
you stopped coming to Russia very soon after that.
And there was another channeler that I met 1st through books,
the same as you, and then through his personal work and I
became one of the organizers forhim to come to Russia.
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Salary Kelly. I don't know if you heard of his
name or not. Who?
Who is it? Salary Kelly.
Oh, OK. Yeah, I have.
Yes, I have good you. Know so so I worked with him
with for a number of years as a translator and as an organizer.
And so I combined my work, my, my personal work with assisting
his work. And it worked out amazingly
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because working with him as a translator, I spent a lot of
time being in channel. And that's how I learned how to
channel right? Really, because I started
feeling it when, you know, I started receiving messages
before he said it, right before I translated to know that how
that works. So that really helped me to to
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develop my skills on one hand. And on the other hand, of course
I met a lot of people because they were coming to him and they
were getting to know me. And so that was kind of, you
know, because for some people, the book is the way how people
get to know you and for me. It used to be, it used to be the
only way that people could do and now it's now everything is
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opened up in so many different ways.
That's wonderful. Yeah, that's true.
You can do a lot of things online and but I went online
later actually. It was also like, you know, I
shared some of my thoughts and ideas and you know, thought of
the day kind of thing and I started YouTube.
So it all came together. It combined so little bit from
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here, little bit from there and started getting together and
people liked more work and they kept coming and it kept growing.
So after years it, it developed it, it wasn't like a quick jump
because someone event happened. It was just path of growth.
Yes. And I, I like to compare it with
the tree. The tree grows by rings and
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every year you have to work to make it a little bit bigger, a
little bit bigger. And that's how it happened to
me, you know? Beautiful way, beautiful way to
put it. That's magical.
And and you're pretty busy with Instagram, but looks like too,
you've got a pretty, pretty goodfollowing over there from what
I've seen. Yeah, do.
But now I have a team to help with that.
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So it's not just me doing all the work.
I wouldn't be able to live my life if I did all of.
This I know that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So no, I'm, I'm done with tryingto do everything myself.
It, it doesn't work. I, you know, you, you just get
to to emotional. I don't know how to say it in
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English, but you burn out. You burn out.
Exactly. Do everything.
So, yeah, so I have a team helping me and I'm in the point
where I feel comfortable with everything working.
You know, I'm doing my work, they're doing their work, and
I'm fine. With that magical, magical,
incredible. So, so you're, you're doing a
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lot of work with the school. You're doing some special events
in Russia, but also other countries too.
You just got back from Turkey, did you not?
Yeah, well, that was a personal trip.
But this year already did 3 retreats, 1 was in Japan, one in
China, one in Iceland. More.
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No, and in Turkey as well. Yes, and one was in Turkey.
SO44 retreats 5-1 in Russia. So yeah, I, I, I, I do have a
pretty business casual. Oh, that's so magical.
That's, that's wonderful. It's, it's incredible.
That's part of the the part of what we experienced too, when we
were traveling to different places where we needed
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translators. We needed translators in South
America, we needed translators in Japan and different places
that we went and Russia. And the fascinating part about
that is they all. They all came to me.
All of my translators ended up coming to me and saying the same
thing that you're talking about.I think I'm channelling the
group. I think I'm getting it just
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before you're, just before you're saying it.
And we, we, we've, that was kindof a commonality.
And then we found that sometimespeople that would come to the
seminars regularly, the, the regulars that were always there
in the front row, they were getting it too.
They were, they could almost tell kind of what was happening.
So it was really a fascinating way to to do things and really a
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beautiful connection that was just very magical.
I had that happen in in my groups as well because people in
my meditations, even online meditations, it's the same thing
people do get to in the channel and they get it before you even
say it. Yep.
And then you say it and they say, well, we just experienced
it before you said it, you know,so it's absolutely normal.
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And I now tell people exactly the same thing that you in the
group say that it's a natural thing.
You just have to open up to it. And it shows up, you know, and I
have a lot of proofs for that with my students.
And so it's beautiful. So what would you like to say to
everybody? What, what is your, what is,
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what is on your plate right now?What would you, what are you
working with? What, what, what?
What do you have for the world that you'd like to share with
us? Well, probably won't be unique,
but it's something that, you know, that's the main thing in
my path and something that's universal for everyone.
You have to follow your passion.You have to follow your passion
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no matter how hard it is, and you have to be very honest with
yourself, very honest in what you truly feel, what you truly
want. Because we're so good at making
up stories about something why we have.
Reason. Not to blah blah blah, you know,
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this is lying. This is lying to self.
But there's no point of doing that.
That is betraying yourself, you know, So I'm all about and I
always push for that. Yeah.
The, the path is not always hard.
And I've had ups and downs and I've had months where I went in,
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in like my expenses were more than my, what we made.
And, you know, I had, I had to, to, to take out money from my
pockets to, to have it going. And, you know, different things
happen throughout times. I mean, I had a lot of personal
changes, divorces, all of that. And you know, life is life.
It will always bring something to work on, but it doesn't mean
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you have excuses not to continueyour path and your passion and
your, your life. And if you have, if you feel
that calling, there's no way. I mean, there are ways people
people manage to not to follow, but it's it's a path to hinder.
Yeah, but when you when you, when you see that smile on your
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face and that glow that you have, you, you understand what
you're what's happening because when you're on your spirit's
purpose like that, you're walking in harmony with your
spirit every day. And that is that is just a
different lifestyle. It sometimes it doesn't fit in
the world. Sometimes you run into problems.
Sometimes I've had to do the same thing, take money out of my
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own accounts to pay for something or to figure out
something. I asked a group about that.
Sometimes I said, well, will youhelp me with money?
And they laughed at me. They thought that was so funny
because they said this is a gamethat you make up inside of
another game, inside of another game that's built on perception
of perception. And you want us to tell you
where it's going. They thought that was hilarious.
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So anyway, the reality is we getI.
Know. So anyway, we all get a step, we
are going to step through it, but it is so joyous to see you,
what you're doing and how you'reaffecting the world.
And you're, you're really makinga difference here with a lot of
a lot of the energies that you're that you're working with.
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And I am just so incredibly proud of you.
I really AM, you know, we adopted daughters all over the
world and some of them have justincredibly blown up and and done
their own thing and it's just absolutely magical to watch.
So we're we're so honored to have you here with us too.
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So what would you like to share with?
Go ahead. Actually about you and many of
my webinars, especially in the channeling webinar, when I share
with people about the this option to learn channeling, I
always tell them about you and about your prediction in my life
and how it all came together andhow Chandling seen something out
there and amazing, but unreachable to to where it's,
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you know, where it's here and it's your impact in my life.
Even though we met just a very few times, every time was kind
of like a push towards my mission.
And so there's so much gratitudeto you in my heart and so much
admiration that you continue your work no matter what, no
matter the, you know, the losses, the changes, everything.
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You still, you still shine bright as much as years ago.
And I'm so grateful for you keeping up with that beautiful
work. Thank you.
And we, we miss the Russian family.
I got to tell you we, we, we weren't able to continue going
there for a while, but we reallymiss the people.
The people are just absolutely incredible.
And I'm so happy that you're that you're doing this and
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reaching out not just in Russia,but all the Russians speaking
family. It's just absolutely incredible.
A good job, my dear, good job. I'm really proud of you.
Any any final thing you'd like to share with the with the
audience before we leave? Before I do, I want to say that
I think my work is in a way prolongation of your work.
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You know, I, I, I like this vision of drops in the water and
circles coming out. So your work expanded in my work
and then my students it extends further and it continues and
goes like that. So that's that really touches my
heart. Thank you so much.
You, you, you really touched me with this.
I, I really appreciate it. I really do thank.
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You so much I I do feel it like that, very much so.
And final words, keep your hearts alive.
Keep, keep, keep your passion going, keep your eyes tearing
sometimes. And this is how life is, and
it's beautiful. How would people reach you or
how can they tell us about your website?
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It's a podcast, so some of it's going to go out and audio and
some of it will go out in video.So tell us how they can reach
you, how they how they can find you.
Well, I best probably to give you the link to my website.
It's all in Russian, so. Won't.
Help. Cyrillic will not come across
OK. Yes, I don't have much happening
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in English yet, even though I'vebeen having people asking for it
for a while, but it's it's it's coming in the future, I believe
I I think it should it will be and but just not there yet being
too busy with the Russian audience so far.
So yes, I can share my Instagram.
I can share my website, my YouTube.
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Some of them can be translated like YouTube can be translated
as you know so. But yeah, most of it is still in
Russian so far. We'll, we'll put it in links for
people so they can find out where you're at and, and follow
you if they wish and so forth todo it.
And if you need help with the English language, I'm here.
My dear, I would love to open some doors for you.
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I'm so, I'm so proud of you. Thank you for sharing your,
your, your work with us and the energy that you're working with.
We're, we all need this, you know, and, and when I started
the, this whole process, my wifeBarbara was probably my biggest
critic because she said only thePope talks to God and you're not
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the Pope. She, she basically said that we
got, we have that clear really quick.
So it took a while for her, but you know, in the beginning, it
was very strange to have channels, to have people
speaking to spirit like this. And today, thanks to you and the
work that we're doing and so many others, it's becoming
commonplace. Exactly like the group said.
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And it is, you know, I believe we all tapped into it anyway.
I think. I think the photographer calls
it inspiration and the musician plays it, brings it through in a
different way. And we all tend to tap into this
energy, but when we can really tap into that heart energy and
bring that through for not only ourselves, but for other people,
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it's magical. And I'm very, very proud of you.
Very proud of you. Good job.
I'm so grateful to to be able toto be in touch with you after so
many years and able to share because my success in a way is
yours too. You, you showed me this stuff.
Absolutely, my honor, my dear, absolutely my honor.
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So we will play together. I'll bring you back.
We'll we'll keep you we'll keep updated here with the with our
groups and as to what's going onwith you, but wanted to
introduce you. It's it's we're with this
podcast, we're trying to bring people on that I know people
would love to get to know. And you are absolutely one of
them. So thank you for being with us
here today, Steve. I'm very happy and very honored
(29:50):
to be. Here a spa, a Spavo, sweetheart,
I love you. I'll talk to you later.
And that worked out rather well.We're so glad to see that you'll
we'll find your links on our website here and other places as
well. So thank you for being with us.
And that's the back story for this this segment.
(30:10):
Enjoy. And we will be back again with
back story from aspaba.org. Music.
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