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January 4, 2025 30 mins

Chris Morris has been an integral part of our Espavo family for many years and an active participant in the VirtualLight Broadcast. Her journey has led her to explore and master various unique healing modalities, with a primary focus on addressing trauma. As a somatic practitioner, teacher, and intuitive guide with over 25 years of experience, Chris specializes in helping individuals release stuck emotions, patterns, and traumas, empowering them to embrace meaningful transformation.


A seasoned Somatic Body Therapist, Integrative Healer, and Master Herbalist with over two decades of experience, Christine (Chris) Morris’ expertise lies in addressing the nervous system and subtle energy to promote healing in areas such as emotions, health, mindset, relational wounds, trauma, and generational trauma.


Chris guides clients towards embodied awakening, empowering them to become their authentic selves and express their soul's desires in this rapidly changing world. She specifically supports women, highly sensitive individuals, and creatives who are ready to deepen into their true essence and live from a place of fluid integration.


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Music. Hi, everybody.
Welcome. Welcome to the Back Story
podcast. To tell you, hey, we get to go
into a little bit more of the interviews that we've been
doing. As I mentioned, I'm going to be
bringing in several people that I want you to meet.

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Most of these people have been with our organization in and out
and been around for some time, but it's been really fascinating
for us to watch all the incredible amount of growth that
has taken them gone in all the different ways.
And that's one of the things that I really wanted to be able
to bring you here. So although we're not always

(01:02):
looking for the most famous names out there, we're looking
for people that I think you can relate to really well.
And one of them today I'm very honored to bring you is Chris
Morris. Chris has been with us for quite
some time. She used to do a very active
role in the virtual light broadcast.
She did, she did what we called the good news segment, which

(01:23):
sounds really wonderful, but it not always easy finding good
news in our world. And she did so every month in
this incredible segment that we had on the virtual light
broadcast. She's also done quite a lot of
the work and attended many of the seminars and many of the
teacher training. So wanted to bring you today and
interview Chris. Chris Morris, welcome on.

(01:44):
Hello, thanks for having me. It's so good to be with you
again. Absolutely.
So I've told people a little bitof what how we've met.
We've, we met a long time ago inan early seminar in Mission
Beach and it was, it was really fascinating things.
You know, you, you meet people and some of these things, we met
all of our board members in one early meeting.

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It was just really fascinating how some of these things have
out. So I'm sure that I'm sure that
the group has a lot to do with bringing us all together at the
right time in the right place. But so tell me a little bit
about what you're doing now because you're doing some really
exciting healing work. You've always done healing work.
You've always, always had your own opening spaces area and you

(02:28):
taught all sorts of things that really blended together with
what the group's been teaching and, and, and, and the work
we've been doing. Tell me what what you're doing
now. What I'm doing now?
Yes, I'm working the the piece that's really integrated in the
rest of my business is what I would call the somatic nervous
system work. And specifically it's through

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the somatic experiencing lens. That's the training that I'm
doing. It's a three-year trauma
training. OK, back back up and tell me
somatic. What does that word mean
specifically? Yes, lovely.
Somatic really just means of thebody.
It's the body and the living experience in the body.
It's, it's actually a big word in the zeitgeist, in the healing

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zeitgeist right now. And so it's our living
experience of, of being who we are.
So my somatic experience, my lived experience of being Chris
Morris in my body is a felt sense.
And I'm the only person that canhave this experience, as you are
the only person that can experience Steve Rother And
it's, it's a way that we're in touch with sensations in the way

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that life moves through us, but also energy moves through us,
which is emotions as well. But underneath the motions are
the sensory indicators of what emotion we're having.
So if we work with the somatic piece, the sensory piece in our
nervous system, we actually workwith the neurobiological level

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of healing, which is what all higher mammals work with.
But humans are really smart and we have our neocortex and we
actually shut down, right? We shut down the natural
processes to, to processing these traumas.
Animals don't have it, but they also don't have the thinking
brain. They don't get stuck the way we
do unless they're in an unnatural habitat or

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environment. Interesting, fascinating stuff.
And so how do, how do you, do you work with people one-on-one
with this or you is, is this a course you're teaching or how
does that work? I I've done actually all of it.
I teach a movement, so there's somatic movement that action
actually can help reduce cortisol, can help increase, can

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increase awareness. Yeah.
So I I teach a class once a weekof that and it's partially
because I I need it, but it's, it's helpful.
We always teach the things we need to learn the most.
I hate that part, but that's true.
I mean, if we're looking to longevity, we have to keep
moving. We have to keep figuring out
what works. So I, I, I work it through

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movement and I call it movement medicine or somatic movement
medicine. And it's, it's working with just
different ways that we stay connected from our sensory
motor, nervous system up throughour limbic system that that
emotional brain up to our neocortex to our thinking brain.
And then I teach people different pieces.

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I have a heal portal, I call it heal where it's got the movement
medicine in it. Plus, somatic practices cause
part of all of our healing work really requires these different
practices for us to keep doing the things over and over.
That's how we learned, and that's how things get stuck, and
that's how habits are there. So I put somatic practices in my

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heel portal. I put subtle Energy Information
and practices in my heel portal.And also herbalism.
I'm a master herbalist now. And so herbits work with the
cellular components to a lot of these pieces of biology.
So, So what does that, what doesthat look like when you're, when
you're working with that with the body?
Is this stuff you eat? So you you very carefully choose

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what goes into the body or how, how how does, what areas do you
specifically work on? OK, so so that was like, I work
with the movement people, right?But I also work one-on-one and I
teach courses. So I do all of all of the
different things the IT depends on a lot of people come to me
with a lot of nutritional information already, but there's

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there's it just depends on what's going on and how deep
will you people are able to work.
Now the herbs are more of a support as opposed to the
foundational piece. The nervous system work really
is the foundational piece right now.
And then as we were literally pulling the issues in the
tissues, remember we talked about that a long time.

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And if you remember, you talkingabout that part of your work,
yeah. Right.
We're literally pulling energy out of the cells, right?
So we need to move it out of thesystem too.
But there's with the, with the somatic work and the way the I'm
just tracking people in their nervous system is basically what
I'm doing and helping them find ways to stabilize and settle

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their nervous system. But we're not always supposed to
have a, a settled nervous system.
What we want is a flexible nervous system.
Oh, good point. Yeah, so I'll bring you my
little, my little thing. I have a really good on it and
love it. This is the only one that will
show up on the camera here. So think of this as our nervous
system, right? We have the fight flight and I

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remember you used to teach aboutthis.
Which we, we do a lot of work with the vagus nerve.
That's correct. Which is all the what you're
talking about. Yeah.
Absolutely. So we could have so say the
fight flight is the gas pedal that gets us moving, that's
mobilization, that's our on right, right.
So we can get stuck on up here where it's a lot of energy in

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our system, right? And it's, it's not like it's not
settled. It's like vibrating, right?
And our system can only do this for so long before we're burning
too much metabolism. And then we go to stuck off.
So that's the break. And there's a, in the
parasympathetic system. There's you have you talked with
your people about this? There's the polyvagal system.

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The whole polyvagal system, yes.Yes, there's, there's different
aspects of it that you can work with.
The the group is most mostly exercising the vagus nerve.
They basically say that it's howwe interact with a lot of things
anyway. And that's really what carries
all this energy and our empathy in the world is through the

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Vegas nerve. So we've been doing exercises in
light master and a whole bunch of other things of that nature.
And we get into Polybagel theorya little bit, but it's in all
honesty, that's more about resolving emotional problems
that somebody may have. And we don't generally get into
that list in a private session with somebody or something in

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that country. Yeah.
Gotcha, right. So that stuck off, that's the
the dorsal Vegas, that's. The more dorsal right.
Right. That's the more primitive one
that you're working with the social engagement system, the
the relational system, correct, right, which is ventral Vegas.
And so when that dorsal comes on, it's like, like I was

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thinking I was seeing what are they sea urchins at the.
We were, yeah. Yeah, it close up I got, yeah.
Yeah, you know, you touch them and they go.
They move back sea enemies. Yes, they're called sea enemies.
Yes, that's. What they are humans have that
response too, right? And to fear we go, we literally
take this posture. And when shutdown comes fast,

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when that break comes on fast, it is literally shut down in our
system. And this is where people get
into freeze or functional freeze.
Well, it's part of the fight or flight syndrome actually part of
the the triggers at work with that.
It's, yeah. So the freeze is actually, it's
a break coming down and all of that fight or flight energy is
still there, but now the break is on top of it.

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And so things aren't happening. Yeah.
And so working to come out of freeze and even function what
they call it functional freeze, where part of our system is shut
down. You you know, this probably will
definitely better than I like our nervous system is like an
equalization, an equalizer boardalways like right.
So it's not just not as simple as on and off.

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And so we can have some things that are off and that's down
more in our gut, the biggest nerve below the diaphragm.
And this is where 80% of chronicillness can come from, is from
this functional freeze or the shutdown.
Interesting, interesting. Crazy.
Yeah, Well, that's it. And that's the same freeze it.
It basically it's like you said,it's a dorsal aspect of the

(10:51):
polydaggle theory. But it's it's also basically,
you see it in nature a lot. If you see a deer that's running
from a tiger and they get caughtby the tiger, they freeze.
That's all they that's all they do.
They don't fight back. They basically freeze.
They go into it. Yeah, exactly.
They go into a, a a very neutralstate and and interesting how it

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works. Yeah, we've we experienced a lot
of that stuff and getting out offreeze.
You're absolutely right. That's the I've said I've known
people that live their life in that state.
Yes, absolutely incredible. And, and in this world, it kind
of makes sense. There's so much going on.
And we talked about a little bitbefore of the generational

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trauma or the transgenerational trauma, right?
So some of that is in our systems too.
Well, that's, yeah, that's something the group is starting
to work with. There's some fascinating things
that they tell they're they're basically working in.
In light Master, we're talking alot about the universal energy,
which is basically what our scientists are calling dark

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energy. So it fills up 78% of the
universe. We just don't know about it.
We don't know how it works, but it's what connects us all.
It's what basically we feel and keeps us all in place and many
times, and there are times when we put ourselves in that tube,
in that illusion of the timelineto work off challenges from our
past family, from our history insome ways.

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So there's generational things that are passed on that we
actually signed up for. We don't have any clue about
them until they show up in our field.
And we're looking for all these things that, you know, OK, I've
got this imprint, I've got this imprint.
I've known people that have imprints of being abused, but
there's no abuse histories in their history.
It's, it's fascinating and, and basically what you know, how do

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you learn that and, and be able to go back and, and do that?
That's one of the timeline healing things that the group's
been working with, too. That's great.
Fascinating stuff. Yeah, well, it all ties
together, doesn't it, You? Know it really does.
It really does. And yeah, and we can have those
those helper ancestors that are think that they're helping,

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right. But they're still sending the
signals of don't show, don't shine your light, you know,
don't, don't be too big, don't move forward, don't do this
right. Because that's how they stayed
safe. So they're sending us that
signal that's more subtle energy, but through our nervous
system, we can have like global high intensity activation that
we inherited from our mother or some of our energy from our

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father. And you know that that's, that's
what I see a lot of the younger generation has right now, like
they're just global high and they don't have they don't have
the experiences. They don't have the experience.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's fascinating, Wonderful stuff.
What? What age ranges do you normally
work with? I, I have some in my 20s, in

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their 20s and I love working with kids in their 20s kids, you
know, young, but generally I'm in the, in the, the elder or the
apprenticing to be elder group. So the 40s through the 60s is,
is generally the places that thethe people that I'm working with
right now. And, and I have a lot of like

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light workers and sensitives that are coming to me that have
a very strong spiritual place, avery strong spiritual
perspective and background and that kind of thing.
But it's almost like we're playing clean up.
And I had to do this with my ownsystem playing clean up of all
these like, wait, there's these little things in here that we
can't get to. And yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. I, I actually see a huge

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awakening of light workers globally that is actually
unfolding. It's probably going to be a
folding unfolding a lot during 2025.
I'm not sure it's showing yet, but it's, it's, it's coming.
And for us to be in place to be able to talk that language.
I know that a lot of our work wegot, we got very high end with

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our work and only brought in thelatest and greatest and the most
high level stuff that people could come up with.
And sometimes we were talking over people's head because we
didn't have the base informationdown.
The group really wants me to keep that awakening information
for people that you know are coming through too.
So I hope that hope that bring help that hits your, your

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energies there and your your stuff that you're working with
too. Absolutely, yeah.
I, I noticed that that I have folks that are kind of more the
new people are just kind of they, they know some of the
stuff. Yeah, And even even folks that
have been around the block a time or two, right, they, they
still look at stuff that that you've been talking and that

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I've been experiencing. But I'm really glad to hear that
there's an awakening happening because I mean, it's, it's the
only way that we're going to shift out of this.
Really. It's survival energy is what we
are kind of stuck in and we're stuck in a loop with the
survival energy. And we have to make that that
transition or leap or evolution and consciousness, because right

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now we're in between animal and the enlightened society type
experience and we need to make that leap.
But everywhere we look, we can see survival energy.
That's that's the main energy onthe planet right now.
So how's it come up? It's been yeah, yeah.
But that, and the group calls atthe 3rd to 5th dimension, they
basically say we're, we're, we're living in the 5th

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dimension, but we don't know howto use the rules.
We, we keep using all the third dimensional ideas and the rules
in the third dimension. So we're learning to anchor
that. Learning to use the higher
aspects of some of these things are really what the group is
starting to bring in. A lot of we've done it a lot
with the park bench project as well.
That's basically what the park bench project was all about,

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letting people experience those higher States and come into
that. So yeah, yeah, some absolutely
fascinating things coming. What?
Where do you think we are? What do you how do you think
things are unfolding? Tell me The state of the world
according to Chris. World according to Chris.
OK, yeah, so the way I see it, so and I love your input on this

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like let me sit up straight for this.
Here I guess stand up too. Right, things that are, things
are crumbling, things are collapsing like these, these
ways of being, this ways of, of structuring our society, they're
not working. No matter what people what, what
side, you know, tries to do whatever, they're not working.
And underneath like this awakening energy, this, this

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higher dimensional energy has been rising for a long time.
And the way that you all have worked, right?
All of the little pieces all over the planet.
One of the things that, that my team has been telling me.
So, so interested to hear what you say, right?
Because I, I remember you sayingthat the 4th and 5th dimension
go together, time and space go together, I think is how you

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said it. But what I've seen is there's a
lot of chaotic energy, of course, but the way my team has
been talking about it, it's likethis transition through the 4th
dimension is where I've heard itcalled false light exists and
all. It's almost like a kaleidoscope
where it distorts everything andlike, we're kind of in that

(18:17):
WAVY. It's the way I describe it to
people. Only people who have seen Harry
Potter would understand. Is it they're trying to get
Harry Potter from one place to another.
And all the Wizards and the magical beings, they all turn
into Harry Potter. And as they leave their
dwelling, they're immediately met with the Death Eaters and

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all of the different people. And they're in the clouds.
And it's, yeah, you're trying toget through.
That's what my team has showed me is, is where where we're
moving through right now. And that's part of why so many
people have been so disillusioned and kind of
worshipping false light type of thing.
Interesting. It's an interesting, I don't

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know if it's probably a direction not to go today, but.
No, we talked about, we talked about everything actually.
That's that's, that's a cool thing.
Right. But it's a, it's a very wide
dimension, right? But there's not really anything
there to grab hold of, right? It's just to move through.
But the way that my team has been saying, like people get,

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are getting lost in there. Yeah, it's, it's easy to do the
group. We gave some very easy
illustrations for people to understand that.
See if this fits for what you say.
They basically said for us to come out of unity into the third
dimension, we had to go through the 2nd dimension.
This is where we picked up our ego.
This is where we picked up the whole idea of duality, which is

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an illusion. And that's what they say.
We, those are the two big ones that we have to lose as we go
through the 4th dimension, whichagain is a place to be
imprinted. We're being imprinted with
triality. We're being imprinted and we
have to release all these ideas of the good and bad and the up
and down and good and right and wrong and all this stuff.

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We need to understand that everything is a fluid motion and
then we can jump in at any time and make anything out of it we
want. And and the creator beings is a
is a huge part of that whole aspect.
So yeah, that's basically what they said.
The other thing that they said that you that will tie in
exactly what you said is they said they've been saying for

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years that the feminine energy is rising.
I think what we just saw in the political world is the masculine
energy fighting back, right? I, I really do.
I think, I think that's what it feels like.
It feels like that feminine energy was riding and the
masculine energy came in with its force versus harmony.

(20:44):
Basically, they work in a different way and not that one's
better than the other. They need to blend together.
But it I do believe that this whole thing was a reaction and I
see so many people stunned, I mean.
Absolutely. I you know, I haven't turned on
the news for weeks. I only check headlines and

(21:05):
there's not a good news in there.
Yeah. And, And my team says like, if I
see a headline, they're like, give it two days and they'll be
the, the. Oh good, the opposite side of
it. Perfect, perfect.
So, yeah, so then you just in the in the our 4th, you know,
our 4th wall of the news is gone.
It's it's no, it it probably never was totally objective,

(21:26):
right. I mean.
I don't think any of it's perfectly objective, No.
They had to make money. They had to, you know, they had
their influences just like everybody.
Yeah, right. Right, but you talked about this
with the group before, like the service piece, right?
The politicians, they're they'renot in service like this whole
like and as these youngers, these youngers aren't they don't
play the same way that like my generation, I'm Gen.

(21:49):
X Gen. X is, you know, has the the
rebel icon. But we also played the games
too, right? We played the games to you or to
the the Gen. Z.
My kids are both Gen. Z.
They're not playing the same oneI.
Hey, mom, you go play your own game.
I'm not. I'm not going to do this.
Yeah. Yeah, and and their, their whole

(22:09):
psyche is different, right. But I've also inherited the
stuff from us. And so as we heal our pieces, it
you, you've said this too. It goes to our descendants, it
goes forward in time and it goesbackwards.
It goes backward and forward in the timeline.
That's correct. We we we heal our we heal our
grandchildren and we heal our grandparents at the same time.

(22:31):
Yes. Strange stuff.
Yeah. Absolutely fascinating,
fascinating things to get thingsto work with here.
So you have hope for humanity then?
I'm. I'm I'm recovering hope for
humanity. Yeah, I know what you mean.
It is I am starting to see like I, I really, my system shut down
for multiple reasons and I am starting to see the beauty and

(22:52):
the awe, the challenge about that right from the top down
mentality from the, the mental aspect.
If we're trying to find that andwe can't find it, that's because
something in our nervous system is shut down and we have access,
not not. Letting us process it and
knowing it's played in awesomely.
So that connection back to the Earth, right, which is a really

(23:14):
interesting piece in this evolution, right?
It's, it's, we don't want to putour weight on the Earth.
But I mean, you said it before, she's a big lady and we're all
interconnected. Right.
And we're all, yeah, the idea isto be able to walk in the
harmony with it. The group is said.
I've never experienced this, butthe group said it is possible to

(23:36):
reach a vibrational level to where you can walk across the
field of grass and have the grass grow stronger because you
walked on it rather than have a die out.
So that level of harmony, we're not, I've not experienced yet,
but I'm reaching for it. So, you know, it's basically
gives us a great idea of what wecan, what we can work with and

(23:57):
how we can harmonize with things.
Fascinating. I wrote I wrote that book
between it's not a great book, and it was my little.
I have it. I have your book.
Oh, you do have it. I do it.
There was the. I have a copy that's signed by
the author. But there's a point in there
that that I'm remembering that they as it was channeled and it

(24:20):
was channeled like from me to me.
But in the in the world that wasemerging, right?
The character would walk and herfeet would be in heart like it
was like the the grass would kind of draw her feet in.
It was a complete relationship, which is what I hear you saying.
Awesome, fascinating stuff, my dear, fascinating stuff.

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I think we're, I think we're in a, a good path to be able to
bring that together there. Anything else you'd like to
share today before we before we bring this to a close?
I'm just, I'm very excited aboutbeing able to like I said, I
love being able to share other people's work with, with our
group and, and all the people that follow our work.
It really gives you a wider variety of different things.

(25:03):
And we, it's, it's really strange because we can be using
different words to describe the same thing, but we're describing
the same thing. It's, it's, they're part of the
family. It's amazing.
Absolutely amazing. And I hear your words and I'm
like, oh, I heard those words myhead and it's yeah, it's, it's
good. I, I think the last thing that I
would say is this piece for me, like as I was reaching for what

(25:27):
I would call the angelic realm, right?
There was a part of me that needed to like go deep.
You know, the deeper you go, thewider you go.
And I don't think of it as a hierarchy in this ascension or
evolution or whatever we want tocall it.
It's, it's circle, right? And so it goes in all
directions. But we have the vision of this

(25:48):
hierarchy of whether things are up in this dimension or down in
this dimension. But my team was like, OK, you're
going deep into the shadow places.
This is a cave places, you know,and to to do that you actually
get to go wider. And so it's been this this piece
of working with shadow and working with light and

(26:08):
integrating it into this wider aspect of wholeness.
Well, now we have to talk for itfurther.
We're not done yet. It's real simple now.
Wait, we just did a whole segment, a whole 2 days on the
shadow self embracing your dark side for, for positive growth.
So many people don't get that piece.

(26:29):
They look toward the light. They want to come into
spirituality to find the light. They want to think, they want
to, you know, they read Norman Vincent Peale.
They want to think positive. They want, you know, they want
to do all these some things which are great, but if you
don't acknowledge and work with that dark side, it will eat you
alive. It'll.
Eat you alive it'll. Destroy you?

(26:50):
That's exactly what what look what happened to the Catholic
Church. Exactly, Exactly.
Put it up, put it all on pause to determine this is all you can
do here. Try to control yourself.
You're a you're a multi dimensional being and you need
to look at that. You need to look at all aspects
of yourself there and not call one good or bad.
Just look at the whole thing andembrace everything that you can

(27:13):
embrace. Yeah, we had it was, it was
really, it was really interesting.
My my sister was watching me as I was putting some of that
together and she had all kinds of questions.
She said, well, why do you want to take people to the dark side?
I don't understand. That's that's the scary stuff.
And I go, well, have you ever, have you ever watched a a movie

(27:34):
by Quentin Tarantino? Have you ever read a read a poem
by by tons of them, actually, But but Edgar Allan Poe or
almost any of the this is really, really dark stuff, but
it's so beautiful. Absolutely.
So there's absolute beauty in the darkness when you can find

(27:56):
it and take the judgement off ofit and really just look for it.
And that just balances you in somany ways.
And you talk about widening thatwidens the whole perception
field it. Really does it.
It gives. It gives us our dimensionality.
Yeah, it really does. It really does.
It anchors us in the. It anchors us in that, in that

(28:17):
whole line illusion of timeline and the whole thing.
So absolutely fascinating. Well, good, my dear, I've really
enjoyed connecting with you. We got to stay in touch.
We got we have to we'll have to play sometime at at some point
and say hi to the say hi to yourfamily for me and I'll say hi to
to mine for you, but. Absolutely, absolutely.

(28:37):
Oh, and the very last thing thatI will say is I'm so proud of
you for putting your website in your name.
It's under Steve Rother and I was waiting for that day.
I've been waiting for that. Thank you.
Thank you so much. We I did it under the guise of
the fact that we've been being hacked quite a lot under a
spava.org. So I kind of did it under the

(28:59):
guise. So I'll just switch it over.
But you know, the group has saidthat from the beginning.
In the beginning I was asking them what to call them and they
said what's wrong with Steve Rother?
And they go, well, I don't know.I don't know.
I want to do that. Thank you for saying that,
Chris. I appreciate it.
I appreciate it. My pleasure.
Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to be
with you. We will absolutely stay in
touch. We'll.

(29:19):
We'll play and people can find youthroughopeningspaces.com
correct and be able to connect with you in that way.
Sounds all my. Information is on there.
Sounds wonderful. All right, Hun, It's been a
pleasure. Take care.
We will talk again. All right.
Thank you, Spavo. Spavo.

(29:43):
And I return you to the studio. Thanks so much for being with us
here today. This was a back story podcast
and we're having a lot of fun with it.
So enjoy the journey everybody.
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