Quantum Jumps & Reality Shifts – Cynthia Sue Larson joins Steve Rother for a fascinating look at consciousness, timelines, and the science behind reality shifts. Explore what it means to live as a multidimensional creator.
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Music. Hi everybody, Welcome to the
Back Story Podcast. I'm very excited today to bring
you this next guest. We have known each other a very
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long time. She's a very dear friend of
mine. We've we've worked together over
in a, in different ways over theyears and we every once in a
while we get together and kind of compare notes.
So that's kind of what we get todo today.
I'm talking about Cynthia Sue Larson, reality shifters and
working with a a lot of energy in different ways has been doing
it for quite some time. So say hi to everybody, Cynthia.
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Hello, so nice to be with you today.
Thanks. We're going to work together a
little bit because she's got some incredible things that
she's been working with that. And of course we haven't talked
in a long time, but yet we find we're pretty much on the same
path all the time. So we get to kind of compare a
few notes of this. But before we really get into
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the work and the and your new book and the different things we
want to talk about, I want to hear a little bit of how you got
started. We have so many of our people
that are either in this work or want to get into this work or
want to get into teaching in some way.
So it's always interesting. And one of the things I like to
start with is how'd you get going at this?
How did, how did that happen? What were you doing before?
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Oh gosh, I was, I have a physicsdegree and an MBA degree and I
was a project manager at Citibank.
That may sound, I know. And that's, that's totally
nothing to do with what I'm doing now.
Well, the physics, of course. The physics is, yeah.
It all helps, Yeah, but the way I got involved in this is I had
a kundalini awakening in 1994. Took me 5 years to process that.
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And then once that happened, it was I started, it was just like
this full on conversation with my spiritual guides.
And really, if, if I got stubborn, shall we say, I guess
the way to describe my story. Yeah, I think we can relate to
that, right. Yeah, I was very stubborn.
I wanted to keep doing things. I wanted to be normal.
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Well, that just went right out the window.
So there was no way to be to be normal.
My kundalini experience combinedwith sort of reconnecting with
my childhood awareness of being born aware.
So I've I've always had sort of 1 foot in the spiritual realm,
meaning that I've been connecting with my guides most
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of my life. But then the Kundalini took it
to some whole new level and and frankly I could not continue
doing anything like what I'd done before.
So I had to. Were you actually working at
Citibank when this happened? Yeah, let's see.
So that was 94, right? I was actually still.
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Yeah, I was trying to live a normal life and things let me
let me see 94 I had left. I, I, I, OK, I don't want to tie
up the whole time we're talking with my whole life story.
No, it's OK, but they. I had a couple, I had a couple
of children. I was raising them at, you know,
stay at home mom. And my plan was to get back to
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work again and, you know, but that nothing worked out to plan,
at least not the original plan. I think it worked out the
spiritual plan perfectly. Your spirit had a different
idea. They wanted to get you back on
to it and and your first book, Ithink it was called or
Advantage, wasn't it? Was that your?
That's right. And you had a big part in
bringing that back. Yeah.
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Because it came out first edition was Adam's Media.
But then what happens if you're an author?
You can get a publisher. It's not always such a great
story. So books fell off the truck.
Things happened with that. And so thank goodness for you,
You know, I was so grateful. So the book came out in its
second edition and it's still available.
I still sell it through my website and otherwise it's an
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e-book. It's a it's an incredible book.
It just it breaks down some of the very weird woo woo stuff
into really practical terms, which is really what you're good
at. You know, that's that's kind of
what you what you're an expert at anyway.
And of course, all the all the physics that you're starting to
get into is, is amazing. The quantum, the quantum
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mechanics that we're, I found myself dealing a lot with it,
with the group's message. They want us to understand that
we are the same as inside the atom.
We just haven't found all those connections yet.
But it's starting to really unfold a lot of incredible
things. So, yeah.
So. So your work has you do work
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one-on-one. Do you do seminars?
Tell, tell us a little. Bit about how that's.
Work for you? Thank you.
Yeah, mostly I've been working one-on-one with people as a life
coach and I, I like to do a blind reading for a person
before we start. And then whatever is required
shows up. I'm asking focused questions,
what the person's feeling, what they need at level of high self,
middle self, low self, and then divine gifts.
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So I emailed that before the session starts and then bounce
that off them, but from it's, it's messages from me.
And then hopefully I recommend they do a meditation as well.
And then if they've got any messages that are coming through
sign synchronicities, dreams, wecan take a look at that.
It's I love to facilitate this back and forth communication
between each of us and the cosmos.
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And so that's the key to everything, health, prosperity,
all the good stuff. Incredible.
Well, actually, yeah. And and you do seminars too,
right? Yeah, I'm, I'll be doing.
I don't do so many of them, but I've got one that I'm doing this
year in August with Paula Harris.
She's a UFO researcher and a journalist and she's an
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experiencer of ETS and and UFOs and she's also an author.
And then Julian Chamaroy from Paris, France.
So it's a very international workshop that we're doing.
It's kind of a retreat workshop and out in Crestone, Colorado in
August. You can get the details on my
website, realityshifters.com. It's through Starworks USA,
which is Paula's website. Yeah, awesome.
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Very nice, very nice. Yeah, I've, I've pulled way back
on the seminars I used to do. I used to do them every month in
different countries. And, and since Barbara passed,
of course I'm, I'm, I'm doing a few, but not very many.
So it's it's kind of interesting, but it's been, it's
been wonderful. So, so all right, so we got to
get into some of the interestingthings here that I'm I am
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absolutely fascinated by your new book because it's and it's
called the Mandela Effect. Come on, show it to here.
Let me bring you over so we can.OK, This is the Mandela Effect
and its society, and it's awakening from me to we.
And on the. If you're wondering what's all
that tiny print on the top, that's Dean Radin writing a
wonderful endorsement for the book.
He's the director of the scienceside of Institute of Noetic
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Sciences. Yeah.
So it's all it's about the experience and the science of
the phenomenon. Most people these days know what
the Mandela Effect is, at least a little bit.
To me, it's collective alternatememories.
I'm using my definition, not theone you're going to see if you
go to Wikipedia. Well, tell us a little bit.
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Tell us a little bit about that because that, that that is
really fascinating that you havea, you have a different aspect
of this that you can share with us about the Mandela Effect and
what that's like. Yeah, So the, the, the, the name
Mandela Effect is from Nelson Mandela because some people,
that's where it got popularized.People noticed that Nelson
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Mandela was surprisingly alive again after a lot of us remember
that. He'd passed away circa 1987.
He'd been in prison on Robbins Island.
He passed away there. And then his wife Winnie, there
was this whole thing that came up with her about the estate and
we remember those details, whichnow don't make any sense because
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that never happened according toofficial history.
So that's, that's kind of like, yeah, that's what this is like.
It's like what you remember. And it could be celebrities
passing away. First one I've really noticed
was the actor Larry Hagman from I Dream of Jeannie.
And he was also in doubt Dallas.And I I remember.
Yeah, I saw him news of his passing.
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I didn't think much of it. It was in the 1980s, and then
she was alive again. So I covered that in my book.
Reality shifts when consciousness changes the
physical world. Yeah, a lot of people noticed
him. People have noticed Jane
Goodall, that she had passed away and she's back.
So that's one. That's one piece of it.
The other piece of the Mandela Effect is really benign things
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like logos and product names like Kit Kat with a with a
hyphen and Berenstain Bears. Yeah.
We remember the Berenstein bears, but now it's always been
the Berenstain. Another big one is Fruit of the
Fruit of the Loom. You know the logo on?
Oh, that's. Right.
I remember seeing those, I remember seeing all this stuff
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that where they showed the comparisons of all of them,
which ones we typically seem to remember as a collective of
humanity is different than reality.
Some are different than recordedreality.
Absolutely, and. It affects, it affects
everything. Just every single topic that you
could have a historical fact about, things are different.
Like the Black Tom explosion wasthe first military strike on US
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soil, but most of us have never heard of the Black Tom explosion
or that it it damaged the Statueof Liberty.
So these things are very weird. In addition to extinct animals
being alive again and just all kinds of stuff, improvements to
our physical bodies. I like that.
So yeah. So, so basically this is almost
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like different realities. I mean, your whole work has been
about reality shifting. That's the name of your website.
That was kind of how you really got into things and so forth.
So this is almost like the the physics of reality shifting is
that is that kind of what I'm getting from this?
Yeah, so on the cover exactly. So on the cover of the book,
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I've actually showing a physics idea here.
If you look at those two little,it's a picture of my, my hand
holding a couple of representations of two like
realities or two universes. And if you think about it, these
are like reality bubbles. And so in the book I'm
describing an idea called a Wigner bubble and it's named
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after Eugene Wigner or Eugene Wigner pronounce it properly.
He was a physicist who said thatyou can, he proposed that you
could actually have an observer observing another reality and
they'd experienced something totally different.
We've now had the scientific experiments to prove that he was
right. And then the physicist Eric
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Cavalcanti has named this phenomenon, you know, the Wigner
bubble. So it's a real thing.
This is real physics. I, I love the, the, the weird
stuff as much as you do in the metaphysical.
And like you said, I've been tracking it for 2526 years.
But it's something else again when physicists are saying you
can expect to be at the same place, same time with someone
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and see something different. Sometimes this can happen and
even, but even yourself you can remember something and then it's
like now it's different. Yes, both.
So that that's fascinating. That's fascinating.
And to me that also kind of explains some of the blending of
realities that we're starting tosee with multi dimensional walls
coming down and starting to drift into other dimensions even
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of our own self and how we perceive them and so forth.
Absolutely fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.
So tell me what's? Tell me what's going on today.
What? Where?
Where are we today? What?
What can we? Expect.
Well, when I look at these phenomenon than what I'm
noticing and I've been tracking it since 1998 or so and like you
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said we go way back. So I think I met you right
around shortly after I started. So it's been a long time, yeah.
But for those of us who've been in this field and looking at
now, regular mainstream society is catching up.
This term, Mandela Effect is nowit's gone mainstream.
The term reality shifts has gonemainstream, Yeah.
And there's more and more awareness that the things that
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people used to get made fun of, like you and I saying, well, if
you feel differently, you'll seea different reality.
Now that's becoming a little bitmore mainstream.
Certainly with things like the placebo effect, we see that.
And so I'm excited about that because thank goodness, I think
all of our minds are going to beincreasingly blown because I
what I'm noticing is that our paradigm, the previous paradigm
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that only matter matters and only what you can weigh and
measure is real. That's that's not.
Going to be. Yeah, that's, well, that's where
science used to live. Now we're starting to blend
quantum, quantum physics and quantum mechanics came in and
just completely, even though it came in in the 20s, a long time
with alongside of the reality ofthe theory of relativity and
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Einstein's work and so forth, ithas completely taken Newtonian
physics and blown it away. So it's almost as if there's two
different worlds there that they've been treating
differently and now it's all starting to come together.
It's. Yeah, that's the fun part.
That's where you bring it together.
So in this new book, I've got a chapter that describes the
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physics terms and makes it sort of like a glossary.
So you can see the terms, the way the science uses it, but the
way it relates to what we're noticing when we're experiencing
these interdimensional shifts that you're talking about right
now. I haven't seen physics yet
Warmly welcoming and embracing this idea of
multidimensionality, but I'm pretty sure it's going to have
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to go there. I what it looks like to me is
there's been a repression of thescience over the last 80 years
or so concurrent with actually with the UFO phenomenon.
So yes, make of that what you will, but well.
Yeah, we, we, well, you, you, you can only ignore it for so
long, for you have to come to anunderstanding that you're seeing
it every day. People are talking about it
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every day. You know, I had a resistance
about this whole thing myself, about talking about ETS.
My first book came out in 2000 and the group talked about it.
They actually talked about the history of Earth, the history of
humanity, how we got started andsome of the different aspects of
that and how we kind of twisted and interpret those things in a
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specific way. And Steve just had difficulty
talking about it. I had friends of mine who were
channelling ETS, all this other stuff, and I just kind of stayed
away from it. And recently I, I can't stay
away from it anymore. It's just it started to
integrate into our reality so much that I've lost my fear of
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it. We're talking about it all the
time now. So yeah, it took a while to get
through this part. You know, this part was always
here, but this part I had AI hada mental block against it for so
long. But yes, absolutely we have.
We have the group calls them parental races because they're
here a lot longer than we actually were in the beginning.
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But nonetheless, it's absolutelyfascinating now.
And you talk about you talk about science and physics and so
forth, not recognizing multi dimensionality.
They are in quantum sciences. That's the only way they've been
able to describe the, well, the double slid experiment, the
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quantum entanglement is now of course, that was always a theory
up until recently. But now we actually built a
computer with the technology andthe quantum computers are coming
out. So it's everything is starting
to ground in a new reality and it's absolutely fascinating.
What's what's coming up here. We are absolutely creator
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beings. Yeah.
Yeah. And I I've seen, we've seen the
physicists who are theoretical physicists, the ones working to
bring the, the physics of the very small, you know, the
together with the very big. So you've got the many worlds of
quantum physics coming together with the multiverse of the
cosmos. And the ones that are doing that
and bringing it together, they understand all of what we're
talking about. And because they have to go
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there, But the ones who don't, it's kind of weird with science
because you can actually be a specialist.
I think in the past. I don't think going forward,
going forward, you need. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I've seen, I've seen
a lot of astrophysicists that they, they actually believe in
ETS, but they can't figure out how they got here.
They don't understand that we could maybe just shift
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dimensions and not have to travel long distances.
They haven't, you know, they andtheir belief systems are very
rigid because of how they kind of grew up with it.
And then other astrophysicists I've talked about that don't
even call it the universe anymore.
They call it the multiverse because it's the only way it
seems to make sense and kind of tie things together.
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In a lot of ways, that is absolutely magical.
And we're in the this exciting time in the next few years where
I think a lot of these forbiddentopics will be coming out.
I'm pulling it forbidden. But it was, you know, it was
kind of that that repression, like don't talk about any of
this. Yeah.
Hidden. Exactly, exactly.
Well, and tell us, tell us what's your take on what's going
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on today? I know that we all know that
things are different. We all know that there's a lot
of pressure in a lot of different areas for us and
different wells. But I'd love to hear your take
on kind of what's happening and what's taking place.
Yeah, I'm seeing a conversion happening.
It seems like there's a this this unstoppable, if you will,
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movement toward bringing these ideas together of telepathy and
psychic abilities, things that have traditionally been sort of
taboo like, well, we don't talk about that.
It seems like they're coming into the open.
I'm seeing it with the telepathytapes.
And there's a convergence between that artificial
intelligence, which is interesting because then we look
at what is consciousness? Are these machines and these
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thought, you know, are they capable of knowing what they
are, who they are, or are they just parroting things back to
us? And then there's this kind of an
ET component. And I think those coming
together are creating this perfect Crucible for the
beginning of sort of this next phase, next level of humanity
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that we're growing into. We do have quantum superpowers.
This is something I bring up in my new book and basically there
are things that people have beenfamiliar with for a long time.
Shamans have known about it, Indigenous wisdom keepers have
known, but it's, it's what you experience in the presence of
another, where you can share theenergy field, you can experience
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a space and feel into it. I I know that we're going to be
witnessing a whole new science of how you can telepathically
engage a vehicle, for example, you know, we've already got self
driving cars, but pretty soon you don't need a neural chip in
order to communicate with a system.
And these are the kind of yeah. So there's going to be, I think
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at the same time as we'll have the technology racing forward,
there are those of us who've been here the whole time, like
you, like I count you and I in that, in that tribe, Like we
know that you don't. I mean, the machines are nice
and that's great, but you don't need them in order to be able
to, like you say, adjust your dimensional perception and start
communicating with the fairies of the forest or the elves or
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the other interdimensional beings.
And they're quite real. And this is our, this is our
future, if we are ready for it, to recognize we're creator
beings. We're in communion and
collaboration with all these others, many which we can see
materially, but our true identity is much more than
what's our physical body. And I love that your work has
always been right there. So feel a good spirit.
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Yeah, we work, we work a lot of different exercises that we do
in our light master course whichcomes together every week.
And a lot of them around around changing even the perception of
our eyes, working with the peripheral vision to be able to
start seeing into multi dimensionality and some of the
other aspects. They've started working recently
with our ears to start being well here.
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And many people have already hadthese gifts, many people have
had some of these and, and called them challenges or
difficulties or, you know, even illnesses from the beginning.
So we're starting to understand there is a higher level of
humanity that's kind of landing in all of this chaos that we see
every day. Absolutely.
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Yeah. Absolutely amazing.
But that chaos is, you know, that the chaos is necessary
from, at least from my perspective, for the, for the
transition. We, we can't actually just jump
from here to there. We have to go through, kind of
have to go through the mud puddles, you know, in a way.
Exactly. I was listening to an old
interview with Terence McKenna from 1998.
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So about the time that, you know, you and I were been going
with what we're doing and he said things are going to get
weirder and weirder, that there's like a strange
attractor, a strange chaotic attractor at the end of time
pulling things together. And he said it's going to be so
weird that people are going to be talking about how weird it
is. And I think this is our time,
you know, for those of us who'vebeen already hearing voices,
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seeing things, and we know that we're seeing things that are a
little bit beyond the realm because I, I do talk to
interdimensional beings. I can sense their presence.
And, you know, this is somethingthat I think more and more of us
are getting into and even normalpeople are becoming more
telepathic. I'm hearing that from
cryptotherapy practitioners. They're saying this is amazing.
And I've heard from some of the quantum, the QHHT folks, they're
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saying that they're, they're people don't need to be under
total hypnosis in order to be able to access the information.
So they're big changes that are happening right now.
That's right. Yeah, we used to have to have to
go through the hypnosis and kindof relax the conscious brain to
let some of that energy come through, but not so much
anymore. It's, it's peeking out all the
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time sometimes. And, and, you know, we've got
all these new kids with all these different aspects.
And then of course, we've got a whole level of kids that have
come in with autism that are, you know, the, the group says
they're not quite what you thinkthey are.
We, you know, we, we, we see that they don't quite fit, but
we don't, we haven't really anchored some of their gifts yet
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to be able to kind of work with some of that.
Yeah. Humanity is absolutely changing,
no two ways about it. Yeah, some of the things.
I'm noticing is that I've been able to see like I could always
see a sort of a sparkle in things like I'm seeing
interdimensionally through a wall, but now I'm seeing it more
like in the daylight. And and also it's like I'm not
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getting sunburned. I got boiling water splashed on
me and it didn't burn my skin. There's something happening, I
think collectively to all of us that are sort of I'm not
recommending people try that. Don't.
Don't go do something foolish. But I think.
I think when we ask how good canit get, we're we're inviting the
participatory universe nature toanswer.
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And so this is part of that, that collaboration that it
naturally occurs when you ask questions you need and love and
want to hear the answer to instead of like, OK, this went
wrong. What next?
You don't want to be asking that.
Don't ask that, right? No, we're we're.
Conscious creators if we focus on the difficulty part we're
going to draw it to it's real simple So we have to really
learn to focus our attention andand, and see the beauty that's
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there that's amazing yeah it's it's really easy to get wrapped
up in being a human sometimes you know but we're we're
actually spirits pretending to be human so we're just got to
step out of that and more into who we really are that's amazing
so we. We'll have your audience is
going to have a special role to play as the things get weirder.
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Like Terence McKenna was saying,I think it's happening.
And so even regular people are going to say, like, this is so
weird, what's happening? And that's when, you know, we
can come into that support role for our neighbors, our friends,
you know, that haven't really been seeing it the way we see
it, But it's going to be exciting times.
Exactly. For a very long time we were
kind of just kind of growing up with a set group of people that
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was and now we're seeing all these younger kids just
exploding looking for answers. They're really looking for
answers in different ways and trying to understand it from
different. Well, but you know, I, I know
when I first started channeling,the word channeling was weird
and people there was this whole base fear around channeling like
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somebody was going to take you over and do something evil with
you or something of that nature.Today it's, it's anchored into,
it's in the dictionary. It's a different, it's a
different type of energy altogether.
And of course, actors all the time we're talking about
channelling the, the entities that they're portraying and so
forth. To be, to be able to do that
absolutely, absolutely amazing. We live in wonderful times,
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don't we? We definitely do.
And this is this is that we havean opportunity to collectively
to, you know, to recognize that if we don't focus on being
right. I think that's another big topic
that I want to just bring that one up.
There's a logic in quantum logicwhere instead of true or false,
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you know, we tend to fixate on black and white, true or false,
and we lock into what we think things should be.
And then we get all caught up indrama.
Humans can do that. You're absolutely right.
But if you, if you recognize, OK, what if they're all we know
about Shades of Grey? So what if you think of, OK,
you've got true and then you've got not true, which is, you
know, false. But but what if you've got true
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and false and not true, not false.
So it's a, it's an invitation torecognize that if things are
changing, mystery is changing. There are these flip flops
sometimes happening not just with ourselves, but with our
mothers. That's a huge possibility then
to be much more gracious and spiritual and open minded and
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compassionate and loving people regardless, not thinking, oh,
that person's misguided or confused or broken or lost, but
to see them, you know, as another spiritual being.
And who knows, you know, there, there may be some reason that
what seems to be going wrong right now is happening.
It's so it's seeing a depth to it, bringing the spirituality
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into the quantum logic gates of noticing it's not just true and
false. You've got these all these other
possibilities happening concurrently.
And it's possible for you and I,we could have different memories
about something and they're bothequally valid.
And so it may get yeah, so truthis a different.
Sometimes we don't see. That yeah, you're right.
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And this whole idea of truth, that's what the the group keeps
saying over and over, and it's really difficult for us to
understand. I, I, I had difficulty with it
in the beginning. They said as you step into the
5th dimension, right and wrong have to go away.
There's no black and white, up and down, good and bad.
Those things don't really exist.They exist from a singular point
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of view. But there's there's so much more
there that we are starting to expand into.
And that was really difficult for me to to contemplate.
What do you mean? There's no right or wrong?
You mean you can do what you want and everything else.
And they go. It depends on what view you look
at it from, you know, and so forth.
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Yeah, absolutely. And now it's all integrating
into. Everybody's talking about this.
And especially as teachers are starting to get new information
all the time. And some of it's old information
that we've had for a long time, but it's fitting together now in
a different way. It's just amazing.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Super. Exciting.
Yeah, I love it. And I also get together with a
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group that tracks these Mandela Effects each month, the
International Mandela Effect Conference.
So sometimes, yeah, we've been doing in person conferences too.
We don't have one this year, butevery month we have a live
stream. So we'll have one, you know,
usually the last Wednesday of each month.
But you can check our website. It's IMEC dot world and that's
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kind of cool because for people,if you want to be involved in
this conversation, like I want to talk to people who are seeing
these changes and noticing like when things are, it's kind of
like looking at the news, like Mandela effect news.
This we like this month we'll becovering it month of May talking
about the the fruit of the loom changes, like what's happening
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there. So it's interesting, like you
would think like once it's changed it would stay put, but
no, these things keep happening and it makes it really
interesting and. And I can't help but wonder what
the corporations think about those things, where their, where
their, their logos actually havechanged in people's minds.
I mean, you know, we create the reality.
So no matter what they put up onthe screen, we create a reality
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that sometimes different than what they're thinking.
It's absolutely amazing. They've, they've got a playful
person on their social media. Fruit of the Loom does cause a
couple years ago, yeah, they were just responding playfully.
I think officially they would say they've never had the
cornucopia, but they're aware that they get a lot of free
publicity from people talking Fruit of the Loom, Fruit of the
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Loom. It's like, and then the
Skechers, the the spelling of that's different.
And they had Mr. T doing an ad for Skechers.
I mentioned this in the book, too.
Yeah. So some of these companies are
now playing with the Mandela Effect and recognizing whether,
whether you call it a collectivealternate memory, which is what
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I call it, or Wikipedia would call it collective mass
misremembering. I do not think that's what's
happening. I would say that's I don't think
so either. Yeah, it's just different,
different perspective that we, we've always talked about that
too, because we've always think that, you know, we, we, the
group talks about no time. Very difficult for me to
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comprehend that there is no timeas we think of it.
But they basically say the only thing you have is right now, the
future is just a potential in the past is a memory.
And you tend to think that the past was the past.
It's written in stone. But if you have two twins who
grew up at exactly the same thing and experience the same
thing, they're going to have totally different memories.
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Even years down the road, they'll have totally different
views and memories of what happened and so forth to, to
show people that, you know, we, we have alternate views all over
the place that we've never recognized before.
And they're starting to surface now as we evolve.
So what do you think of evolution?
Where, where are we in this hugeevolution?
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Are we, are we changing humanity?
Are we changing the world or what?
What's taking place from your perspective?
Yeah. Just recently heard that talk by
Terence McKenna. So, so interesting that he was
saying we're about to evolve, we're about to recognize that we
are the beings that are like youcall it creator beings, the
spirit within us. So this is the big evolutionary
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jump. And I think it's the first time
for our being, the, the human animal being.
So I, I think we've, we've had several level UPS in the past.
This one is epic because we're part of the shaping process.
We are able to recognize we're getting that aha moment right
now, like, whoa, my thoughts andfeelings are totally changing
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the world and we're doing it collectively.
That means, you know, for those of us paying attention right
now, we know what that means. We're changing ourselves.
So how can we be like light beings be the best that we can
be? So we're having a huge part in
this as we're noticing real timeour kidneys have moved up under
the protection of the rib cage. So the if you get a kidney punch
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doesn't make you start bleeding when you're urinating and that
kind of thing. Because the yeah, the kidneys
have moved, the hearts move to the center of the chest.
We're getting lots of changes inthe skull, just lots of
physiological changes. And so I think we're seeing real
time evolution for those of us paying attention.
And if for those of us keep asking my favorite questions,
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how good can it get? We're about to find out.
And like you said, Steve and I agree, these new kids are
everything. It's the the next generations
because they've got a they've got a different mindset and
they've been the front runners of new ways of bringing together
ways of thinking that I, I thinkyou could call it a little bit
of the benefits of the non humanintelligence.
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And that was my initial, one of my initial ET experiences was
1987 and I was doing lucid dreams several every night for
several weeks just going workingwith a team.
And what we came up with is whatended up I, it was the global
human mind redesign. I was quality assurance, just
saying no or no go. Got to see these.
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Prototypes and then and then I was thinking, I'm imagining it.
This is crazy. I can't talk about this.
They wanted me like you will nowtalk about this.
I said I will talk about my ET experience when everybody, when
everyone knows, which I think that's now.
So. And then after 1987, what did we
see? The Indigo kids, Crystal kids,
Rainbow kids, And then you and I, we were the front runners.
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We had. We're not normal for humans, and
that's a good thing. So, you know, some of us are the
old. Yeah, Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. Well, it was super fun.
Yeah, exactly. Well, and, and my transition
from being a a a contractor in the construction world into
spirituality was, I mean, I had to learn a different language
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even. So it was wild.
Yeah. No, absolutely.
But and in reality, the group says they've been doing this
with me lifetime after lifetime after lifetime.
So in many ways, it's not new. It's a remembering that's.
And I think we're having so manypeople take the veil off now
they're starting to ask questions that where they're
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starting to realize that they can create things that they
never dreamed before were possible.
And I do believe we're entering a totally different age.
The the Mayans, even the Mayans began the 4th world about 31,000
years BC or 3100 years. BCI think we're ending the 4th
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world. I think that's basically what's
happening, starting a whole new process around it.
It's like you said in in historyof Humanity, you could see where
there were, there were huge jumps of evolution.
We'd go along for a long time, then all of a sudden we'd jump
up. And these gaps were thousands of
years. We're doing this in less than
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100 lightning. Speed, yeah, it's going to be
this, but but we're doing it andwe've been doing it for a while
now. So we're in the thick of it, but
it's going to be amazing. And I, I wrote a paper comes
true being hoped for for Parabola magazine, the threshold
issue around 2000 or something like 25 years ago.
And it was all about the Hopi. And it was about the way that
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they've, they believe that we'rein the fourth world moving.
And to me, all the signs they talk about like, you'll know
when the 4th world is ending andyou're going to the fifth.
I think they're here. Extinct species are coming back.
We track that every month with the International Mandela Effect
conference. Like they're called Lazarus
species. That's the scientific name for
it. We're like off the, yeah, off
the coast of California. So did we just believe that they
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were? Did we just believe that or are
we creating that? That's the big we.
That's the biggest question. I, I think we know that it's a
collective creation and, and it was prophecy like the extinct
plants and animals will come back.
They're coming back. The Celicon fish, it was
considered extinct, that dinosaur fish.
And now there's tons of them. The Galapagos giant tortoise,
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you can't hide one of those things off the but it's like
it's back and like all these other species are coming back.
And so I know there's a lot of fear.
If you look at the mainstream media, you'll see species are
going extinct. But I like to focus on how good
can it get? And how does this map with the
prophecies and the idea in the Hopi language, the Hopi are the
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peaceful little people. And so when they say Tunatia or
tuna Java, it means comes true being hoped for.
So they say keep the crown chakra open so that you can
receive that inspiration direct from the creator, from the
absolute, from that no time. And they keep your heart open so
you stay in connection with all your relations, which include
the star people, the kachinas that they talk about, of course.
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Yeah, so. Exactly.
So you had an experience, but through lucid dreaming that kind
of really kicked you off with with this team that you weren't
you still work with the same team.
Hi, Chip. Now I'm now it's now it's
decades later and I've, it takesa while to process something
like that. Every night for several weeks, I
was and I was freaked out. I'd be pointing out the window.
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I only told my husband about it because I'm like, this sounds
crazy. And he's like, where I don't see
the spaceships and I'm like, yeah, they're interdimensional.
You won't see them. And this just sounded worse and
worse. It it's, it's difficult, it's
difficult to comprehend, but that's what the group's been
saying. They say you keep thinking
things have to travel at the speed of light.
They're faster than the speed oflight to get all this distance.
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They don't. It's a shift.
It's a 90° shift. They talk about the orthogonal
matrix and how we can change dimensions and all that kind of
stuff. Absolutely.
Amazing stuff. So I have such a good strong
connection with the team. It's telepathic mostly.
It's real time. I can ask questions.
They're just like just the same as with my spiritual guides and
I pushed him away because I thought I can't deal with this
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for like 20 or 25 years. Now I feel sort of apologetic,
like I'm sorry. I'm the same way.
Yeah. Well, I used to have to sit and
and go into a meditation to bring the group in originally.
close my eyes, do do my Ting Shaw bells and, you know, all
the crazy stuff. And, and now they're with me all
the time. I'll be driving down the road
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and they'll say pay attention tothis.
We're going to talk about it later, you know, and just
literally all the time. So there's like.
Integration and I think it's. Happened with a lot of people.
I don't think it's just us that are that are taking this
connection. I think a lot of people are
integrating their spirit and walking with it every day, which
is just magical and. Humans are so loved and beloved
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by these, our space, you know, family that's so beloved.
I think if people knew that, it just would blow your mind.
Well, you know it. But, and I'm sure your listeners
know, but this is the stuff I can't yet say to my neighbors
next door. Like they'll just take several
giant steps back. I say it to my next door
neighbors. They just look at me funny.
That's OK, it is what it is. Very true.
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And, and they, I even, I got nudged to work on this book too,
because I was taking my time and, you know, just doing all
kinds of editing and taking forever with that because I'd
had long Covids. They're hard And and that was
getting big, but I was getting these big elbows, like, come on,
bring it out. Yeah.
So oh, they're helping me recover fully from the long
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COVID. So, yeah, don't worry about
anything is what I want to say. Like we've got this and we've
got this most amazing team. So it's going to be awesome.
Wonderful. Well, that's that's the final
thing that I'd like to ask people.
What would you give everybody ifyou could give them what, what
final thoughts or energies wouldyou like to leave people with as
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you, as as we as we end this this conversation, We could go
on talking forever. But yeah, I want.
I want the listeners to know youare so completely, totally
loved. You have such an amazing purpose
in the world. We love you, we need you, and
you're such an important. Being right now at this most
amazing time, you're part of thebiggest transformation,
(40:14):
evolutionary shift on the planetso far for humanity.
We are so glad you're here. And I'm just so ever so grateful
to to know that that we're together, we're asking
individually and for everybody else, how good can it get?
When we do that for ourselves and for everyone, we, we are
going to see the most amazing thing, the most wonderful
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experience ever. It happens.
It happens. Magical, magical and people can
find you through reality. shifters.com.
That's right. That's the main way to find me.
I've got a sub stack. I'm on YouTube and lots of other
social media. Yeah, excellent.
My dear, it's been, it's been a joy.
It's been a joy to know you for all these years.
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We've kind of walked alongside each other to crossing paths
every once in a while. But your work has touched
millions and I just have to say thank you.
You've done an awesome job with it.
And it's I'm very honored to have you on the podcast.
You're you're you bring a lot ofvalidation for the many of the
things that we've said and many of the things that the group has
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been talking about. South Spavo, thank you for
taking your power and sharing itwith us in the way you do.
Been very much. Thank you, Steve.
Thank you, Cynthia. Cynthia Sue Larson, everybody.
I will, we, we, we will, we willdance again coming up, I'm sure.
And like I said, she has, she has a seminar coming up.
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She has. Tell us about the seminar again,
one more time, OK? That'll be August 22nd through
the 24th in the beautiful Crestone, Colorado.
It's like the Himalayas of the United States.
It's a dark sky center, spiritual center.
And it'll be myself, Paula Harris and Julian Shamroy, very
international. We'll have a bunch of people
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from Japan as well as all walks of life.
So this is a soul family opportunity to get to know what
it will this new next level human be like.
We'll be doing CE5 contact in the evenings for two of the
nights. And it'll just be a wonderful
opportunity to to feel loved, tobe appreciated, to hear these
first hand stories from myself and Paula and Julian who have
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been contactees and researchers in this field.
So it'll be a lot of fun. Well, keep up.
Keep up the great work, my dear.You're doing some incredible
stuff. Awesome.
And we'll, we'll have some more.We'll keep track.
We'll, we will cross paths again.
I can guarantee you. So thank you, Cynthia, for being
here. And we will dance again.
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All right, everybody, this is the Back Story podcast from
Espavo TV. Thanks for being with us.
We will dance again, Espavo. Music.
Music. Hi everybody, Welcome to the
Back Story Podcast. I'm very excited today to bring
you this next guest. We have known each other a very
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long time. She's a very dear friend of
mine. We've we've worked together over
in a, in different ways over theyears and we every once in a
while we get together and kind of compare notes.
So that's kind of what we get todo today.
I'm talking about Cynthia Sue Larson, reality shifters and
working with a a lot of energy in different ways has been doing
it for quite some time. So say hi to everybody, Cynthia.
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Hello, so nice to be with you today.
Thanks. We're going to work together a
little bit because she's got some incredible things that
she's been working with that. And of course we haven't talked
in a long time, but yet we find we're pretty much on the same
path all the time. So we get to kind of compare a
few notes of this. But before we really get into
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the work and the and your new book and the different things we
want to talk about, I want to hear a little bit of how you got
started. We have so many of our people
that are either in this work or want to get into this work or
want to get into teaching in some way.
So it's always interesting. And one of the things I like to
start with is how'd you get going at this?
How did, how did that happen? What were you doing before?
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Oh gosh, I was, I have a physicsdegree and an MBA degree and I
was a project manager at Citibank.
That may sound, I know. And that's, that's totally
nothing to do with what I'm doing now.
Well, the physics, of course. The physics is, yeah.
It all helps, Yeah, but the way I got involved in this is I had
a kundalini awakening in 1994. Took me 5 years to process that.
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And then once that happened, it was I started, it was just like
this full on conversation with my spiritual guides.
And really, if, if I got stubborn, shall we say, I guess
the way to describe my story. Yeah, I think we can relate to
that, right. Yeah, I was very stubborn.
I wanted to keep doing things. I wanted to be normal.
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Well, that just went right out the window.
So there was no way to be to be normal.
My kundalini experience combinedwith sort of reconnecting with
my childhood awareness of being born aware.
So I've I've always had sort of 1 foot in the spiritual realm,
meaning that I've been connecting with my guides most
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of my life. But then the Kundalini took it
to some whole new level and and frankly I could not continue
doing anything like what I'd done before.
So I had to. Were you actually working at
Citibank when this happened? Yeah, let's see.
So that was 94, right? I was actually still.
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Yeah, I was trying to live a normal life and things let me
let me see 94 I had left. I, I, I, OK, I don't want to tie
up the whole time we're talking with my whole life story.
No, it's OK, but they. I had a couple, I had a couple
of children. I was raising them at, you know,
stay at home mom. And my plan was to get back to
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work again and, you know, but that nothing worked out to plan,
at least not the original plan. I think it worked out the
spiritual plan perfectly. Your spirit had a different
idea. They wanted to get you back on
to it and and your first book, Ithink it was called or
Advantage, wasn't it? Was that your?
That's right. And you had a big part in
bringing that back. Yeah.
(04:03):
Because it came out first edition was Adam's Media.
But then what happens if you're an author?
You can get a publisher. It's not always such a great
story. So books fell off the truck.
Things happened with that. And so thank goodness for you,
You know, I was so grateful. So the book came out in its
second edition and it's still available.
I still sell it through my website and otherwise it's an
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e-book. It's a it's an incredible book.
It just it breaks down some of the very weird woo woo stuff
into really practical terms, which is really what you're good
at. You know, that's that's kind of
what you what you're an expert at anyway.
And of course, all the all the physics that you're starting to
get into is, is amazing. The quantum, the quantum
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mechanics that we're, I found myself dealing a lot with it,
with the group's message. They want us to understand that
we are the same as inside the atom.
We just haven't found all those connections yet.
But it's starting to really unfold a lot of incredible
things. So, yeah.
So. So your work has you do work
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one-on-one. Do you do seminars?
Tell, tell us a little. Bit about how that's.
Work for you? Thank you.
Yeah, mostly I've been working one-on-one with people as a life
coach and I, I like to do a blind reading for a person
before we start. And then whatever is required
shows up. I'm asking focused questions,
what the person's feeling, what they need at level of high self,
middle self, low self, and then divine gifts.
(05:29):
So I emailed that before the session starts and then bounce
that off them, but from it's, it's messages from me.
And then hopefully I recommend they do a meditation as well.
And then if they've got any messages that are coming through
sign synchronicities, dreams, wecan take a look at that.
It's I love to facilitate this back and forth communication
between each of us and the cosmos.
(05:50):
And so that's the key to everything, health, prosperity,
all the good stuff. Incredible.
Well, actually, yeah. And and you do seminars too,
right? Yeah, I'm, I'll be doing.
I don't do so many of them, but I've got one that I'm doing this
year in August with Paula Harris.
She's a UFO researcher and a journalist and she's an
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experiencer of ETS and and UFOs and she's also an author.
And then Julian Chamaroy from Paris, France.
So it's a very international workshop that we're doing.
It's kind of a retreat workshop and out in Crestone, Colorado in
August. You can get the details on my
website, realityshifters.com. It's through Starworks USA,
which is Paula's website. Yeah, awesome.
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Very nice, very nice. Yeah, I've, I've pulled way back
on the seminars I used to do. I used to do them every month in
different countries. And, and since Barbara passed,
of course I'm, I'm, I'm doing a few, but not very many.
So it's it's kind of interesting, but it's been, it's
been wonderful. So, so all right, so we got to
get into some of the interestingthings here that I'm I am
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absolutely fascinated by your new book because it's and it's
called the Mandela Effect. Come on, show it to here.
Let me bring you over so we can.OK, This is the Mandela Effect
and its society, and it's awakening from me to we.
And on the. If you're wondering what's all
that tiny print on the top, that's Dean Radin writing a
wonderful endorsement for the book.
He's the director of the scienceside of Institute of Noetic
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Sciences. Yeah.
So it's all it's about the experience and the science of
the phenomenon. Most people these days know what
the Mandela Effect is, at least a little bit.
To me, it's collective alternatememories.
I'm using my definition, not theone you're going to see if you
go to Wikipedia. Well, tell us a little bit.
(07:41):
Tell us a little bit about that because that, that that is
really fascinating that you havea, you have a different aspect
of this that you can share with us about the Mandela Effect and
what that's like. Yeah, So the, the, the, the name
Mandela Effect is from Nelson Mandela because some people,
that's where it got popularized.People noticed that Nelson
(08:02):
Mandela was surprisingly alive again after a lot of us remember
that. He'd passed away circa 1987.
He'd been in prison on Robbins Island.
He passed away there. And then his wife Winnie, there
was this whole thing that came up with her about the estate and
we remember those details, whichnow don't make any sense because
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that never happened according toofficial history.
So that's, that's kind of like, yeah, that's what this is like.
It's like what you remember. And it could be celebrities
passing away. First one I've really noticed
was the actor Larry Hagman from I Dream of Jeannie.
And he was also in doubt Dallas.And I I remember.
Yeah, I saw him news of his passing.
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I didn't think much of it. It was in the 1980s, and then
she was alive again. So I covered that in my book.
Reality shifts when consciousness changes the
physical world. Yeah, a lot of people noticed
him. People have noticed Jane
Goodall, that she had passed away and she's back.
So that's one. That's one piece of it.
The other piece of the Mandela Effect is really benign things
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like logos and product names like Kit Kat with a with a
hyphen and Berenstain Bears. Yeah.
We remember the Berenstein bears, but now it's always been
the Berenstain. Another big one is Fruit of the
Fruit of the Loom. You know the logo on?
Oh, that's. Right.
I remember seeing those, I remember seeing all this stuff
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that where they showed the comparisons of all of them,
which ones we typically seem to remember as a collective of
humanity is different than reality.
Some are different than recordedreality.
Absolutely, and. It affects, it affects
everything. Just every single topic that you
could have a historical fact about, things are different.
Like the Black Tom explosion wasthe first military strike on US
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soil, but most of us have never heard of the Black Tom explosion
or that it it damaged the Statueof Liberty.
So these things are very weird. In addition to extinct animals
being alive again and just all kinds of stuff, improvements to
our physical bodies. I like that.
So yeah. So, so basically this is almost
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like different realities. I mean, your whole work has been
about reality shifting. That's the name of your website.
That was kind of how you really got into things and so forth.
So this is almost like the the physics of reality shifting is
that is that kind of what I'm getting from this?
Yeah, so on the cover exactly. So on the cover of the book,
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I've actually showing a physics idea here.
If you look at those two little,it's a picture of my, my hand
holding a couple of representations of two like
realities or two universes. And if you think about it, these
are like reality bubbles. And so in the book I'm
describing an idea called a Wigner bubble and it's named
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after Eugene Wigner or Eugene Wigner pronounce it properly.
He was a physicist who said thatyou can, he proposed that you
could actually have an observer observing another reality and
they'd experienced something totally different.
We've now had the scientific experiments to prove that he was
right. And then the physicist Eric
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Cavalcanti has named this phenomenon, you know, the Wigner
bubble. So it's a real thing.
This is real physics. I, I love the, the, the weird
stuff as much as you do in the metaphysical.
And like you said, I've been tracking it for 2526 years.
But it's something else again when physicists are saying you
can expect to be at the same place, same time with someone
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and see something different. Sometimes this can happen and
even, but even yourself you can remember something and then it's
like now it's different. Yes, both.
So that that's fascinating. That's fascinating.
And to me that also kind of explains some of the blending of
realities that we're starting tosee with multi dimensional walls
coming down and starting to drift into other dimensions even
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of our own self and how we perceive them and so forth.
Absolutely fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.
So tell me what's? Tell me what's going on today.
What? Where?
Where are we today? What?
What can we? Expect.
Well, when I look at these phenomenon than what I'm
noticing and I've been tracking it since 1998 or so and like you
(12:22):
said we go way back. So I think I met you right
around shortly after I started. So it's been a long time, yeah.
But for those of us who've been in this field and looking at
now, regular mainstream society is catching up.
This term, Mandela Effect is nowit's gone mainstream.
The term reality shifts has gonemainstream, Yeah.
And there's more and more awareness that the things that
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people used to get made fun of, like you and I saying, well, if
you feel differently, you'll seea different reality.
Now that's becoming a little bitmore mainstream.
Certainly with things like the placebo effect, we see that.
And so I'm excited about that because thank goodness, I think
all of our minds are going to beincreasingly blown because I
what I'm noticing is that our paradigm, the previous paradigm
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that only matter matters and only what you can weigh and
measure is real. That's that's not.
Going to be. Yeah, that's, well, that's where
science used to live. Now we're starting to blend
quantum, quantum physics and quantum mechanics came in and
just completely, even though it came in in the 20s, a long time
with alongside of the reality ofthe theory of relativity and
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Einstein's work and so forth, ithas completely taken Newtonian
physics and blown it away. So it's almost as if there's two
different worlds there that they've been treating
differently and now it's all starting to come together.
It's. Yeah, that's the fun part.
That's where you bring it together.
So in this new book, I've got a chapter that describes the
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physics terms and makes it sort of like a glossary.
So you can see the terms, the way the science uses it, but the
way it relates to what we're noticing when we're experiencing
these interdimensional shifts that you're talking about right
now. I haven't seen physics yet
Warmly welcoming and embracing this idea of
multidimensionality, but I'm pretty sure it's going to have
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to go there. I what it looks like to me is
there's been a repression of thescience over the last 80 years
or so concurrent with actually with the UFO phenomenon.
So yes, make of that what you will, but well.
Yeah, we, we, well, you, you, you can only ignore it for so
long, for you have to come to anunderstanding that you're seeing
it every day. People are talking about it
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every day. You know, I had a resistance
about this whole thing myself, about talking about ETS.
My first book came out in 2000 and the group talked about it.
They actually talked about the history of Earth, the history of
humanity, how we got started andsome of the different aspects of
that and how we kind of twisted and interpret those things in a
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specific way. And Steve just had difficulty
talking about it. I had friends of mine who were
channelling ETS, all this other stuff, and I just kind of stayed
away from it. And recently I, I can't stay
away from it anymore. It's just it started to
integrate into our reality so much that I've lost my fear of
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it. We're talking about it all the
time now. So yeah, it took a while to get
through this part. You know, this part was always
here, but this part I had AI hada mental block against it for so
long. But yes, absolutely we have.
We have the group calls them parental races because they're
here a lot longer than we actually were in the beginning.
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But nonetheless, it's absolutelyfascinating now.
And you talk about you talk about science and physics and so
forth, not recognizing multi dimensionality.
They are in quantum sciences. That's the only way they've been
able to describe the, well, the double slid experiment, the
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quantum entanglement is now of course, that was always a theory
up until recently. But now we actually built a
computer with the technology andthe quantum computers are coming
out. So it's everything is starting
to ground in a new reality and it's absolutely fascinating.
What's what's coming up here. We are absolutely creator
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beings. Yeah.
Yeah. And I I've seen, we've seen the
physicists who are theoretical physicists, the ones working to
bring the, the physics of the very small, you know, the
together with the very big. So you've got the many worlds of
quantum physics coming together with the multiverse of the
cosmos. And the ones that are doing that
and bringing it together, they understand all of what we're
talking about. And because they have to go
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there, But the ones who don't, it's kind of weird with science
because you can actually be a specialist.
I think in the past. I don't think going forward,
going forward, you need. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I've seen, I've seen
a lot of astrophysicists that they, they actually believe in
ETS, but they can't figure out how they got here.
They don't understand that we could maybe just shift
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dimensions and not have to travel long distances.
They haven't, you know, they andtheir belief systems are very
rigid because of how they kind of grew up with it.
And then other astrophysicists I've talked about that don't
even call it the universe anymore.
They call it the multiverse because it's the only way it
seems to make sense and kind of tie things together.
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In a lot of ways, that is absolutely magical.
And we're in the this exciting time in the next few years where
I think a lot of these forbiddentopics will be coming out.
I'm pulling it forbidden. But it was, you know, it was
kind of that that repression, like don't talk about any of
this. Yeah.
Hidden. Exactly, exactly.
Well, and tell us, tell us what's your take on what's going
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on today? I know that we all know that
things are different. We all know that there's a lot
of pressure in a lot of different areas for us and
different wells. But I'd love to hear your take
on kind of what's happening and what's taking place.
Yeah, I'm seeing a conversion happening.
It seems like there's a this this unstoppable, if you will,
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movement toward bringing these ideas together of telepathy and
psychic abilities, things that have traditionally been sort of
taboo like, well, we don't talk about that.
It seems like they're coming into the open.
I'm seeing it with the telepathytapes.
And there's a convergence between that artificial
intelligence, which is interesting because then we look
at what is consciousness? Are these machines and these
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thought, you know, are they capable of knowing what they
are, who they are, or are they just parroting things back to
us? And then there's this kind of an
ET component. And I think those coming
together are creating this perfect Crucible for the
beginning of sort of this next phase, next level of humanity
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that we're growing into. We do have quantum superpowers.
This is something I bring up in my new book and basically there
are things that people have beenfamiliar with for a long time.
Shamans have known about it, Indigenous wisdom keepers have
known, but it's, it's what you experience in the presence of
another, where you can share theenergy field, you can experience
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a space and feel into it. I I know that we're going to be
witnessing a whole new science of how you can telepathically
engage a vehicle, for example, you know, we've already got self
driving cars, but pretty soon you don't need a neural chip in
order to communicate with a system.
And these are the kind of yeah. So there's going to be, I think
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at the same time as we'll have the technology racing forward,
there are those of us who've been here the whole time, like
you, like I count you and I in that, in that tribe, Like we
know that you don't. I mean, the machines are nice
and that's great, but you don't need them in order to be able
to, like you say, adjust your dimensional perception and start
communicating with the fairies of the forest or the elves or
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the other interdimensional beings.
And they're quite real. And this is our, this is our
future, if we are ready for it, to recognize we're creator
beings. We're in communion and
collaboration with all these others, many which we can see
materially, but our true identity is much more than
what's our physical body. And I love that your work has
always been right there. So feel a good spirit.
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Yeah, we work, we work a lot of different exercises that we do
in our light master course whichcomes together every week.
And a lot of them around around changing even the perception of
our eyes, working with the peripheral vision to be able to
start seeing into multi dimensionality and some of the
other aspects. They've started working recently
with our ears to start being well here.
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And many people have already hadthese gifts, many people have
had some of these and, and called them challenges or
difficulties or, you know, even illnesses from the beginning.
So we're starting to understand there is a higher level of
humanity that's kind of landing in all of this chaos that we see
every day. Absolutely.
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Yeah. Absolutely amazing.
But that chaos is, you know, that the chaos is necessary
from, at least from my perspective, for the, for the
transition. We, we can't actually just jump
from here to there. We have to go through, kind of
have to go through the mud puddles, you know, in a way.
Exactly. I was listening to an old
interview with Terence McKenna from 1998.
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So about the time that, you know, you and I were been going
with what we're doing and he said things are going to get
weirder and weirder, that there's like a strange
attractor, a strange chaotic attractor at the end of time
pulling things together. And he said it's going to be so
weird that people are going to be talking about how weird it
is. And I think this is our time,
you know, for those of us who'vebeen already hearing voices,
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seeing things, and we know that we're seeing things that are a
little bit beyond the realm because I, I do talk to
interdimensional beings. I can sense their presence.
And, you know, this is somethingthat I think more and more of us
are getting into and even normalpeople are becoming more
telepathic. I'm hearing that from
cryptotherapy practitioners. They're saying this is amazing.
And I've heard from some of the quantum, the QHHT folks, they're
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saying that they're, they're people don't need to be under
total hypnosis in order to be able to access the information.
So they're big changes that are happening right now.
That's right. Yeah, we used to have to have to
go through the hypnosis and kindof relax the conscious brain to
let some of that energy come through, but not so much
anymore. It's, it's peeking out all the
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time sometimes. And, and, you know, we've got
all these new kids with all these different aspects.
And then of course, we've got a whole level of kids that have
come in with autism that are, you know, the, the group says
they're not quite what you thinkthey are.
We, you know, we, we, we see that they don't quite fit, but
we don't, we haven't really anchored some of their gifts yet
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to be able to kind of work with some of that.
Yeah. Humanity is absolutely changing,
no two ways about it. Yeah, some of the things.
I'm noticing is that I've been able to see like I could always
see a sort of a sparkle in things like I'm seeing
interdimensionally through a wall, but now I'm seeing it more
like in the daylight. And and also it's like I'm not
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getting sunburned. I got boiling water splashed on
me and it didn't burn my skin. There's something happening, I
think collectively to all of us that are sort of I'm not
recommending people try that. Don't.
Don't go do something foolish. But I think.
I think when we ask how good canit get, we're we're inviting the
participatory universe nature toanswer.
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And so this is part of that, that collaboration that it
naturally occurs when you ask questions you need and love and
want to hear the answer to instead of like, OK, this went
wrong. What next?
You don't want to be asking that.
Don't ask that, right? No, we're we're.
Conscious creators if we focus on the difficulty part we're
going to draw it to it's real simple So we have to really
learn to focus our attention andand, and see the beauty that's
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there that's amazing yeah it's it's really easy to get wrapped
up in being a human sometimes you know but we're we're
actually spirits pretending to be human so we're just got to
step out of that and more into who we really are that's amazing
so we. We'll have your audience is
going to have a special role to play as the things get weirder.
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Like Terence McKenna was saying,I think it's happening.
And so even regular people are going to say, like, this is so
weird, what's happening? And that's when, you know, we
can come into that support role for our neighbors, our friends,
you know, that haven't really been seeing it the way we see
it, But it's going to be exciting times.
Exactly. For a very long time we were
kind of just kind of growing up with a set group of people that
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was and now we're seeing all these younger kids just
exploding looking for answers. They're really looking for
answers in different ways and trying to understand it from
different. Well, but you know, I, I know
when I first started channeling,the word channeling was weird
and people there was this whole base fear around channeling like
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somebody was going to take you over and do something evil with
you or something of that nature.Today it's, it's anchored into,
it's in the dictionary. It's a different, it's a
different type of energy altogether.
And of course, actors all the time we're talking about
channelling the, the entities that they're portraying and so
forth. To be, to be able to do that
absolutely, absolutely amazing. We live in wonderful times,
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don't we? We definitely do.
And this is this is that we havean opportunity to collectively
to, you know, to recognize that if we don't focus on being
right. I think that's another big topic
that I want to just bring that one up.
There's a logic in quantum logicwhere instead of true or false,
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you know, we tend to fixate on black and white, true or false,
and we lock into what we think things should be.
And then we get all caught up indrama.
Humans can do that. You're absolutely right.
But if you, if you recognize, OK, what if they're all we know
about Shades of Grey? So what if you think of, OK,
you've got true and then you've got not true, which is, you
know, false. But but what if you've got true
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and false and not true, not false.
So it's a, it's an invitation torecognize that if things are
changing, mystery is changing. There are these flip flops
sometimes happening not just with ourselves, but with our
mothers. That's a huge possibility then
to be much more gracious and spiritual and open minded and
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compassionate and loving people regardless, not thinking, oh,
that person's misguided or confused or broken or lost, but
to see them, you know, as another spiritual being.
And who knows, you know, there, there may be some reason that
what seems to be going wrong right now is happening.
It's so it's seeing a depth to it, bringing the spirituality
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into the quantum logic gates of noticing it's not just true and
false. You've got these all these other
possibilities happening concurrently.
And it's possible for you and I,we could have different memories
about something and they're bothequally valid.
And so it may get yeah, so truthis a different.
Sometimes we don't see. That yeah, you're right.
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And this whole idea of truth, that's what the the group keeps
saying over and over, and it's really difficult for us to
understand. I, I, I had difficulty with it
in the beginning. They said as you step into the
5th dimension, right and wrong have to go away.
There's no black and white, up and down, good and bad.
Those things don't really exist.They exist from a singular point
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of view. But there's there's so much more
there that we are starting to expand into.
And that was really difficult for me to to contemplate.
What do you mean? There's no right or wrong?
You mean you can do what you want and everything else.
And they go. It depends on what view you look
at it from, you know, and so forth.
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Yeah, absolutely. And now it's all integrating
into. Everybody's talking about this.
And especially as teachers are starting to get new information
all the time. And some of it's old information
that we've had for a long time, but it's fitting together now in
a different way. It's just amazing.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Super. Exciting.
Yeah, I love it. And I also get together with a
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group that tracks these Mandela Effects each month, the
International Mandela Effect Conference.
So sometimes, yeah, we've been doing in person conferences too.
We don't have one this year, butevery month we have a live
stream. So we'll have one, you know,
usually the last Wednesday of each month.
But you can check our website. It's IMEC dot world and that's
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kind of cool because for people,if you want to be involved in
this conversation, like I want to talk to people who are seeing
these changes and noticing like when things are, it's kind of
like looking at the news, like Mandela effect news.
This we like this month we'll becovering it month of May talking
about the the fruit of the loom changes, like what's happening
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there. So it's interesting, like you
would think like once it's changed it would stay put, but
no, these things keep happening and it makes it really
interesting and. And I can't help but wonder what
the corporations think about those things, where their, where
their, their logos actually havechanged in people's minds.
I mean, you know, we create the reality.
So no matter what they put up onthe screen, we create a reality
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that sometimes different than what they're thinking.
It's absolutely amazing. They've, they've got a playful
person on their social media. Fruit of the Loom does cause a
couple years ago, yeah, they were just responding playfully.
I think officially they would say they've never had the
cornucopia, but they're aware that they get a lot of free
publicity from people talking Fruit of the Loom, Fruit of the
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Loom. It's like, and then the
Skechers, the the spelling of that's different.
And they had Mr. T doing an ad for Skechers.
I mentioned this in the book, too.
Yeah. So some of these companies are
now playing with the Mandela Effect and recognizing whether,
whether you call it a collectivealternate memory, which is what
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I call it, or Wikipedia would call it collective mass
misremembering. I do not think that's what's
happening. I would say that's I don't think
so either. Yeah, it's just different,
different perspective that we, we've always talked about that
too, because we've always think that, you know, we, we, the
group talks about no time. Very difficult for me to
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comprehend that there is no timeas we think of it.
But they basically say the only thing you have is right now, the
future is just a potential in the past is a memory.
And you tend to think that the past was the past.
It's written in stone. But if you have two twins who
grew up at exactly the same thing and experience the same
thing, they're going to have totally different memories.
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Even years down the road, they'll have totally different
views and memories of what happened and so forth to, to
show people that, you know, we, we have alternate views all over
the place that we've never recognized before.
And they're starting to surface now as we evolve.
So what do you think of evolution?
Where, where are we in this hugeevolution?
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Are we, are we changing humanity?
Are we changing the world or what?
What's taking place from your perspective?
Yeah. Just recently heard that talk by
Terence McKenna. So, so interesting that he was
saying we're about to evolve, we're about to recognize that we
are the beings that are like youcall it creator beings, the
spirit within us. So this is the big evolutionary
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jump. And I think it's the first time
for our being, the, the human animal being.
So I, I think we've, we've had several level UPS in the past.
This one is epic because we're part of the shaping process.
We are able to recognize we're getting that aha moment right
now, like, whoa, my thoughts andfeelings are totally changing
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the world and we're doing it collectively.
That means, you know, for those of us paying attention right
now, we know what that means. We're changing ourselves.
So how can we be like light beings be the best that we can
be? So we're having a huge part in
this as we're noticing real timeour kidneys have moved up under
the protection of the rib cage. So the if you get a kidney punch
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doesn't make you start bleeding when you're urinating and that
kind of thing. Because the yeah, the kidneys
have moved, the hearts move to the center of the chest.
We're getting lots of changes inthe skull, just lots of
physiological changes. And so I think we're seeing real
time evolution for those of us paying attention.
And if for those of us keep asking my favorite questions,
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how good can it get? We're about to find out.
And like you said, Steve and I agree, these new kids are
everything. It's the the next generations
because they've got a they've got a different mindset and
they've been the front runners of new ways of bringing together
ways of thinking that I, I thinkyou could call it a little bit
of the benefits of the non humanintelligence.
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And that was my initial, one of my initial ET experiences was
1987 and I was doing lucid dreams several every night for
several weeks just going workingwith a team.
And what we came up with is whatended up I, it was the global
human mind redesign. I was quality assurance, just
saying no or no go. Got to see these.
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Prototypes and then and then I was thinking, I'm imagining it.
This is crazy. I can't talk about this.
They wanted me like you will nowtalk about this.
I said I will talk about my ET experience when everybody, when
everyone knows, which I think that's now.
So. And then after 1987, what did we
see? The Indigo kids, Crystal kids,
Rainbow kids, And then you and I, we were the front runners.
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We had. We're not normal for humans, and
that's a good thing. So, you know, some of us are the
old. Yeah, Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. Well, it was super fun.
Yeah, exactly. Well, and, and my transition
from being a a a contractor in the construction world into
spirituality was, I mean, I had to learn a different language
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even. So it was wild.
Yeah. No, absolutely.
But and in reality, the group says they've been doing this
with me lifetime after lifetime after lifetime.
So in many ways, it's not new. It's a remembering that's.
And I think we're having so manypeople take the veil off now
they're starting to ask questions that where they're
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starting to realize that they can create things that they
never dreamed before were possible.
And I do believe we're entering a totally different age.
The the Mayans, even the Mayans began the 4th world about 31,000
years BC or 3100 years. BCI think we're ending the 4th
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world. I think that's basically what's
happening, starting a whole new process around it.
It's like you said in in historyof Humanity, you could see where
there were, there were huge jumps of evolution.
We'd go along for a long time, then all of a sudden we'd jump
up. And these gaps were thousands of
years. We're doing this in less than
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100 lightning. Speed, yeah, it's going to be
this, but but we're doing it andwe've been doing it for a while
now. So we're in the thick of it, but
it's going to be amazing. And I, I wrote a paper comes
true being hoped for for Parabola magazine, the threshold
issue around 2000 or something like 25 years ago.
And it was all about the Hopi. And it was about the way that
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they've, they believe that we'rein the fourth world moving.
And to me, all the signs they talk about like, you'll know
when the 4th world is ending andyou're going to the fifth.
I think they're here. Extinct species are coming back.
We track that every month with the International Mandela Effect
conference. Like they're called Lazarus
species. That's the scientific name for
it. We're like off the, yeah, off
the coast of California. So did we just believe that they
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were? Did we just believe that or are
we creating that? That's the big we.
That's the biggest question. I, I think we know that it's a
collective creation and, and it was prophecy like the extinct
plants and animals will come back.
They're coming back. The Celicon fish, it was
considered extinct, that dinosaur fish.
And now there's tons of them. The Galapagos giant tortoise,
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you can't hide one of those things off the but it's like
it's back and like all these other species are coming back.
And so I know there's a lot of fear.
If you look at the mainstream media, you'll see species are
going extinct. But I like to focus on how good
can it get? And how does this map with the
prophecies and the idea in the Hopi language, the Hopi are the
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peaceful little people. And so when they say Tunatia or
tuna Java, it means comes true being hoped for.
So they say keep the crown chakra open so that you can
receive that inspiration direct from the creator, from the
absolute, from that no time. And they keep your heart open so
you stay in connection with all your relations, which include
the star people, the kachinas that they talk about, of course.
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Yeah, so. Exactly.
So you had an experience, but through lucid dreaming that kind
of really kicked you off with with this team that you weren't
you still work with the same team.
Hi, Chip. Now I'm now it's now it's
decades later and I've, it takesa while to process something
like that. Every night for several weeks, I
was and I was freaked out. I'd be pointing out the window.
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I only told my husband about it because I'm like, this sounds
crazy. And he's like, where I don't see
the spaceships and I'm like, yeah, they're interdimensional.
You won't see them. And this just sounded worse and
worse. It it's, it's difficult, it's
difficult to comprehend, but that's what the group's been
saying. They say you keep thinking
things have to travel at the speed of light.
They're faster than the speed oflight to get all this distance.
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They don't. It's a shift.
It's a 90° shift. They talk about the orthogonal
matrix and how we can change dimensions and all that kind of
stuff. Absolutely.
Amazing stuff. So I have such a good strong
connection with the team. It's telepathic mostly.
It's real time. I can ask questions.
They're just like just the same as with my spiritual guides and
I pushed him away because I thought I can't deal with this
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for like 20 or 25 years. Now I feel sort of apologetic,
like I'm sorry. I'm the same way.
Yeah. Well, I used to have to sit and
and go into a meditation to bring the group in originally.
close my eyes, do do my Ting Shaw bells and, you know, all
the crazy stuff. And, and now they're with me all
the time. I'll be driving down the road
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and they'll say pay attention tothis.
We're going to talk about it later, you know, and just
literally all the time. So there's like.
Integration and I think it's. Happened with a lot of people.
I don't think it's just us that are that are taking this
connection. I think a lot of people are
integrating their spirit and walking with it every day, which
is just magical and. Humans are so loved and beloved
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by these, our space, you know, family that's so beloved.
I think if people knew that, it just would blow your mind.
Well, you know it. But, and I'm sure your listeners
know, but this is the stuff I can't yet say to my neighbors
next door. Like they'll just take several
giant steps back. I say it to my next door
neighbors. They just look at me funny.
That's OK, it is what it is. Very true.
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And, and they, I even, I got nudged to work on this book too,
because I was taking my time and, you know, just doing all
kinds of editing and taking forever with that because I'd
had long Covids. They're hard And and that was
getting big, but I was getting these big elbows, like, come on,
bring it out. Yeah.
So oh, they're helping me recover fully from the long
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COVID. So, yeah, don't worry about
anything is what I want to say. Like we've got this and we've
got this most amazing team. So it's going to be awesome.
Wonderful. Well, that's that's the final
thing that I'd like to ask people.
What would you give everybody ifyou could give them what, what
final thoughts or energies wouldyou like to leave people with as
(39:52):
you, as as we as we end this this conversation, We could go
on talking forever. But yeah, I want.
I want the listeners to know youare so completely, totally
loved. You have such an amazing purpose
in the world. We love you, we need you, and
you're such an important. Being right now at this most
amazing time, you're part of thebiggest transformation,
(40:14):
evolutionary shift on the planetso far for humanity.
We are so glad you're here. And I'm just so ever so grateful
to to know that that we're together, we're asking
individually and for everybody else, how good can it get?
When we do that for ourselves and for everyone, we, we are
going to see the most amazing thing, the most wonderful
(40:34):
experience ever. It happens.
It happens. Magical, magical and people can
find you through reality. shifters.com.
That's right. That's the main way to find me.
I've got a sub stack. I'm on YouTube and lots of other
social media. Yeah, excellent.
My dear, it's been, it's been a joy.
It's been a joy to know you for all these years.
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We've kind of walked alongside each other to crossing paths
every once in a while. But your work has touched
millions and I just have to say thank you.
You've done an awesome job with it.
And it's I'm very honored to have you on the podcast.
You're you're you bring a lot ofvalidation for the many of the
things that we've said and many of the things that the group has
(41:16):
been talking about. South Spavo, thank you for
taking your power and sharing itwith us in the way you do.
Been very much. Thank you, Steve.
Thank you, Cynthia. Cynthia Sue Larson, everybody.
I will, we, we, we will, we willdance again coming up, I'm sure.
And like I said, she has, she has a seminar coming up.
(41:38):
She has. Tell us about the seminar again,
one more time, OK? That'll be August 22nd through
the 24th in the beautiful Crestone, Colorado.
It's like the Himalayas of the United States.
It's a dark sky center, spiritual center.
And it'll be myself, Paula Harris and Julian Shamroy, very
international. We'll have a bunch of people
(41:58):
from Japan as well as all walks of life.
So this is a soul family opportunity to get to know what
it will this new next level human be like.
We'll be doing CE5 contact in the evenings for two of the
nights. And it'll just be a wonderful
opportunity to to feel loved, tobe appreciated, to hear these
first hand stories from myself and Paula and Julian who have
(42:22):
been contactees and researchers in this field.
So it'll be a lot of fun. Well, keep up.
Keep up the great work, my dear.You're doing some incredible
stuff. Awesome.
And we'll, we'll have some more.We'll keep track.
We'll, we will cross paths again.
I can guarantee you. So thank you, Cynthia, for being
here. And we will dance again.
(42:43):
All right, everybody, this is the Back Story podcast from
Espavo TV. Thanks for being with us.
We will dance again, Espavo. Music.
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