Ecuador's Youngest Serial Killer: El Niño del Terror

Juan Fernando Hermosa holds the record for being Ecuador’s youngest serial killer. At just 15 years old, he was arrested for murdering 22 people. Carmen and Cristina discuss this case, but first they read a listener story and end with spooky recs. Carmen's rec was the book Play Nice by Rachel Harrison and Cristina's was Guillermo Del Toro's debut film, Cronos. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another
episode of a Spooky Tale. So podcast for all things
is spooky, true crime, haunted Places, myths, legends in Latin America.
Today just true crime because again we are in catchup mode.
I need to do shorter episodes, so I think maybe

(00:25):
we'll just do one in one for the rest of
the new year to try that. Yeah. Yeah, and then
in the new year we'll go back to our two
each episode longer episodes. But yeah, so today we have, yeah,
a true crime case and of course before that, a
listener story. And if you have a story that you

(00:46):
want to send us, you can email a Spooky toes
at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any
of our socials. You can call these Spooky Hotline. We
got two calls to a call, so that's exciting. We'll
listen to those on the next two. Yes, and let's see.
Those are the many ways to get us to your stories.

(01:06):
We love receiving them. And yeah, other than that, are
you ready to read this listeners story? Am ready? All right? Okay,
my name is Judy. I wrote before about the story
about my reflection in the window smiling at me. Yes, Judy.
We remember that was scary Judy. Yes. Anyways, I have

(01:29):
another spooky recollection which happened in October. Every year for
the past nine years, my two friends and I have
gone to New Orleans. We act like corny tourists and
do all the touristy things like plantation tours, cemetery tours,
and sean trooms. Just for context, my friends are Caucasian
and I'm Pacific Islanders, so we sometimes have different perspectives

(01:51):
on things. Also, New or Lenks is still hot as
tell in October, so I've heard. Oh I didn't know that.
We went to the only nighttime plantation tour at the
destrahanda plantation about thirty minutes outside of New Orleans. Our
guide showed us how to properly use copper dowsing rods
to communicate with the spirits. After her presentation and tore

(02:13):
inside the quote big house, we were allowed to walk
around the plantation to use the dowsing rods. My friends
and I walked over to a huge oak tree and
then it's like quote different friends. Okay, so friend says, oh,
I can imagine children running up to this tree and
plane on it. Me. Yeah, I'm sure there were kids here,
but I'm sure they weren't playing on this tree. No,

(02:34):
I get why, she said the the different perspectives. Yeah yeah,
And me, being the jerk that I am, I took
out my dozing rock, my dowsing rots to prove I'm right,
and I asked something like are you a child? And
the rod swung open, which is a no, there's something
bad happened to you here at this tree and the

(02:55):
rods crossed, which is a yes. I was like, yeah,
that's what I thought. Suddenly a gust of wind blew
our hair back and it got instantly cold and we
ran away. Wow. Wow, creepy wow, but also serve as
your friend, right, No, right, she deserved that a little bit.
This ghost. No, no, I love this for this ghost.

(03:17):
Like they were like, let me correct the record here. Yeah,
no one was playing on this street. So yeah, that
was a great paranormal moment, okay. And so, like we said,
today is a true crime case, only no paranormal other

(03:39):
than the listener story. So Juan Fernando Elmosa holds the
record for being Aguador's youngest serial killer at just fifteen
years old. Jan Edmosa was arrested for murdering twenty two people.
But let's start at the very beginning. Okaysa was born
on February twenty eight, nineteen seventy six, in the city

(04:03):
of Shushufindi in the Los Rios Province of Equalor, which
is in Ecuador's coastal region, and during the first few
months of his life he lived with his mom and
his older sister in a very dangerous neighborhood called Babaoyo.

(04:23):
His mom worked as a laundry lady, but barely made
enough to feed the family. Yeah seeing no other choice,
she gave Juan up for adoption when he was just
a year and two months old, and so he was
adopted by Olivo at Masa Fonseca and Soila Amala Suarez Mahia,

(04:44):
a well loved couple who owned multiple properties in the
Sukumbyos Province of Ecuador, and after the adoption, Olivo moved
the family to Quito, where they lived in a neighborhood
in the northeastern part of the city. Olivo apparently did
not play a huge role in Juan's upbringing because he
was working, and this work consisted of traveling a lot

(05:09):
back and forth from Quito to Sukumbio's. He was a
working man man. Don't look at the children, not during
this time. No, no, come on, we just started doing that. Yeah,
they just started doing that in twenty twenty. And this
left Soula, who was deaf and suffered from arthritis, to

(05:33):
raise Juan. Unfortunately, she was not able to control or
like maybe discipline Juan that well, and apparently at a
very early age he showed those quote unquote classic signs
of a serial killer. Interesting. Interesting, I'm always like interested

(05:57):
when I hear that, because I'm like, Okay, yes, this
just how insight looking back, like exactly, I wonder the
same thing usually when people say this, because it's like
because also I think, I feel like I remember learning
within the past four years or so that the quote

(06:17):
unquote classic signs of a circular I think that's been debunked,
at least not the whole thing, but I remember, like
you know how they say like wet bed wedding is
like a symptom part of the quote unquote triad. I
think that's been debunked. I want to say it has,
but I don't remember off the top of them. I
feel like I wand like reading that, hearing that somewhere,

(06:40):
you know. Yeah, and then there's actually a lot more
you know, traits and stuff. Yeah, but those classic classic
signs are usually wedding, the better and early age using time. Animals, Yeah,
aggression to animals. Oh my god, what's the other one?
What like an absent father? I do not remember head injuries? Injuries?

(07:00):
That was because there's the three classic ones, and then
there's more, let's see. Hold on, So animal cruelty, fire setting,
and persistent bedwetting, passestor, and age. And they're known as
the McDonald tread, which I only remembered as a tread.
But yeah, I remember, I remember this has been debunked.
Is there anything about it being debunked. Yeah, it's been

(07:25):
largely debunked as a as a reliable predictor of violent behavior.
And so many people exhibit these behaviors and never have
any issues any violence later on. And a lot of
times these things had to do with trauma and dysfunctional
upbringing them homes more than being signed. Quote times it
was socio bad. So I just want to spread misinformation

(07:46):
and spread sigma stigmatization of these behaviors and whatnot, you know,
exactly so. Reportedly, at just seven years old, Plant began
to kill small animals he found in the neighborhood. He
tortured cats, cut their heads off, and in front of
his classmates and teachers, would drink their blood. Yeah. I

(08:08):
wonder how much of urban myth or like my mythology like,
I don't know is that I am. I have a
hard time believing that's true. But I don't know what
people have said about him. I'm sure they imagine that
to be true. I would hope, I would hope that
it wasn't true. Yeah, this is what people are saying

(08:29):
that he was doing at seven years old, but that
would be that would be wild if the other stuff
aren't actual signs of someone that's going to do I mean,
this is for sure. A few times he also left
a cat's head on his teachers and principles desks, and
so he was expelled from school. Understandable, and obviously that's

(08:50):
a big you know, YI, to say the least, you
didn't want to generalize those behaviors as Yeah, I think
for him, maybe it was true, no exactly, but in general,
people who do these things doesn't necessarily mean they will
go on to become serial killers, or that they're sociopads
and whatnot, you know what I mean. Right, but for him,

(09:13):
but you know, in this case, yeah, it could be true,
could be true.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
By age ten, he was robbing stores, mugging people on
the streets. He frequented the bars, casinos and clubs. Who
let this child into these places? Well, his mom couldn't
do much with her disability. These places could be like father,
Oh not even parents. These places could turn down a child. No,

(09:43):
you're right, these places should not have let him in. Yeah.
And by the age of fifteen, he led a gang
of ten teenagers who would hang out near a video
game store in the Gheitto neighborhood of Lamarine And then
the killing spree began. So at fifteen, right, yeah, So
this all led up to its first murder, which happened

(10:05):
on the night of November twenty second, nineteen ninety two.
On this night, Juan and four of his friends left
the club in the neighborhood of Puente del Guambra. Once
they stopped at the street Avenue tenth of August, they
flagged down a taxi and when the taxi driver stopped

(10:26):
in front of the group, Huan, without reason, pulled out
a nine millimeters pistol and shot the driver in the head,
killing him instantly. Oh my God. One of his friends
then drove the taxi driver's vehicle to the southeastern part
of the city and disposed of his body in the
Los Chillos valley, where it was found by the police
the next day. And this marked the beginning of Juan's

(10:49):
killing spree, which went on for four months. Wow. The
next murder happened the following week when Huan went to
get a haircut at a salon in the southern part
of Quito. While at the salon, Huan Guy's haircut by Charlie,
a known trans woman whom Juan often visited for a haircut.

(11:09):
Juance crew then arrived and everyone, including Charlie, began to drink.
Charlie then invited the crew over to their place to
continue drinking. As the night continued and argument broke out
between the crew and Charlie, Huan then pulled out his
pistol and shot Charlie five times, ignoring their pleas for help. Wow.

(11:31):
From then on, the murders mostly occurred on the weekend
and caused the lives of eight taxi drivers, eleven members
of the LGBTQ community, a truck driver and three other individuals. Wow.
Also this insane something. It's like he was deliberately targeting
members of the lgbt Q community and taxi drivers the most. Yeah,

(11:57):
the city was gripped by fear and it caused panic.
Am the taxi driver community and the LGBTQ communities. Of course,
of course, of course. I mean, yeah, my eight of
your peers have died. You're like, fuck, do I continue
driving this taxi or not?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
And LGBTQ people can't even stop, like you know what
I mean that taxi drivers could get other jobs. I
imagine though this is hard obviously, you know, especially that's
your you know, I don't know, lifelong job or whatever,
but it's a job. It's not like your identity and
who you are and your sexual orientation, like that's right. Yeah.

(12:35):
In response to this, Quito's mayor, Fausto te Bustillos, formed
an investigative squad to look into the murders. He called
the group COI, which stood for Centre Dea. The group
consisted of the mayor's brother, He was a retired general,
Francisco Paco Tehran and two officials from another city and

(12:58):
four officials from Gquito, Okay. Then answer. The group gathered
in a private room at the top of a government
building that was guarded at all times to avoid any
possible informants from excessing information that could help the stair killer.
I guess that makes sense, like they don't know who
it is, right, they don't know who to trust. Yeah.
According to Mayor Taran, a ninth murder happened as soon

(13:20):
as the squad was formed. The group had to respond
to reports of a murdered taxi driver who had been
shot twice in the head and twice in the chest
and left in the outskirts of the city, and soon
two additional murders occurred before the first truck driver was killed.
I don't understand that. Two more murders happened, and then

(13:44):
the first truck driver was killed, So the ninth murder happened,
and then two more murders happened, and then a truck
driver who had been the first truck driver killed. Yeah. Sorry,
it's because I was like the first. If there's been
these other people dying, how was he the first taxi drivers? Yes,
not the same as a truck driver exactly. That's where

(14:06):
I was. That's where my confusion happened. Yeah, I see,
I see. When the group arrived at the truck driver's
murder scene, they found a note. That's new. They found
a note on a on the truck's windshield that read,
first were the taxi drivers, and then it was the homosexuals,
and then the truck drivers. Investigators, better be careful. That

(14:27):
is so odd. Yeah, that I mean, obviously all of
this is like our behavior to be doing in the
first place. But to leave a note you mean, killing, Yes, Like,
that's not you know, what's accepted within the norms of society. Yes,
of course, no, I know, because I want to I

(14:52):
want to focus on this note. Why, Like, yeah, I
I it's it's weird, for sure. I mean, I guess
we're like we said before, he was deliberately targeting these
groups of people. And the only thing I can imagine
is taxi drivers are sort of easy targets to a
serial killer because they're picking up people all the time, right,

(15:14):
that's true. It's not homosexuals because they're discarded by society,
you know what I mean. Truck drivers, I don't know,
maybe because they're on the road a long time. They
pick up hitchhikers. I'm not sure, right, yeah. In a
documentary about the murders, Danan said he felt extreme pressure
from several officials, including the president, as a number of

(15:36):
victims increased rapidly. To increase their chances of getting of
gathering intel, the group of investigators rented taxis and posts
as cab drivers while they monitored the streets, and then
investigators began to turn over a new leaf when one
day they were informed that a taxi driver had killed
a civilian and taken off. A further look into the

(15:58):
incident concluded that the taxi driver was actually the victim
and he had been killed by a group of men
who ran off with his car. Okay, so I guess
the initial report came in saying, oh, a tax driver
killed some guy, but he was the victim, yeah, and
they took off with his car. DNA collected at the
scene was sent to the lab for testing, and tests

(16:18):
concluded that the evidence matched evidence found out another crime
scene where a taxi driver had also been killed. So
they're connecting dots here and it's like, Okay, someone killed
both these text drivers. A few nights later, the group
got a lucky break. Whentedan's brother, Francisco, heard shots in

(16:39):
the neighborhood of Garapungo and was able to find it
where the shooting came from, and according to Francisco, a
man driving a taxi had done the shooting. So he,
along with other officers, followed this man in his taxi.
When they attempted to pull the taxi over, the driver
stopped the car and he and another group of men

(17:00):
and ran out of the car and they ran different directions, scattered.
Everyone got away. We're saying men here, but these are boys, right,
this is his gang. Yeah, he's fifteen and he has
a little gag of teenagers. Yeah, but I guess when
detectives are seeing that's taking place, they're just saying men

(17:22):
because yeah, they didn't know, Yeah, they didn't know these
were teenagers. So everyone got away except fourteen year old
Louis Annibal, who refused to speak with investigators after his arrest.
Which is his right? I was gonna say, which is
his right? Actually, I don't know the rights in where
is this again, Peru? Okay, they have similar rights, right, right.

(17:48):
No one knew where Louis had been taken. So when
his uncle showed up asking about his nephew's arrest, Tnan
used the opportunity to get more information about the teen
who was not being helpful. Okay, So they're like, hey,
we'll tell you where is that if you help us out.
So Luis's uncle told Tehran that he had heard his
nephew had been arrested for walking around drunk and he
had shown up to look for him to help Luc's mom,

(18:10):
who was raising him alone. And apparently the uncle said
that Louise is gay and he was known to hang
out with other LGBTQ residents of the city. Now I'm wondering,
and so Tan I was like, hold on, okay, what
because a serial killer had been known for targeting taxi
drivers and members of the LGBTQ community. And I like,

(18:33):
Tehran is like wait a minute, I'm like, hold on,
what's going on? Yeah, Three teenagers also showed up asking
for Louise. The teenagers told officials that they were his
school friends, but investigators were suspicious of their story and
they trot them. They followed them around, okay, And so

(18:53):
I don't know who's I'm sorry, I just we're going
to find out together who is guilty here. I know
we're going to find out together, but I'm intrigued. Yes,
investigators believe they were onto something, so they set up
a sting operation. They had an officer just up as
a taxi driver and offer the teens a ride. The

(19:16):
teens asked the fake taxi driver to take them to
a club name the Vibrations, what a name and while
and while on the way to the club, the officer
heard the teens talk about Louise. The information got back
to Tehran, who then showed up at the club and
was determined to arrest the teens for what. I don't

(19:37):
know what. The information was right right. He decided to
offer the fake taxi driver more money for a ride,
hoping that the teens would react in a way that
would try to instigate the teens, hoping that they would
do something to then, you know, be arrested, like a
reason he'll give for a reason. So he doesn't have
a reason. You're trying to give them a reason to yeah,
to arrest he doesn't have a reason. Yet the plan worked.

(20:00):
The team that got angry and that Dana was trying
to steal their taxi. Basically and he pulled out a
knife and then tried to attack the officer posing as
a tax driver. Okay, wild overreaction a little bit. I'm
sure there's other taxis. Yeah, And so the rest of

(20:21):
the group also tried to attack the taxi driver and
they were apprehended, and from that incident, ten teams were arrested.
This was on January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two. They were
taking in processed and interrogated and they were each told

(20:41):
they were looking at possibly twenty years in jail. But
this group didn't fold. They knew the rule don't talk.
Leave the fifth or whatever the equivalent to the fifth
is in equalor I was gonna, says niche just get stitches.
But yes, okay, yeah, that's too. Louise was the only

(21:01):
one who at first said he only knew things based
on rumors. He only knew rumors, and he didn't give
the police anything concrete. And so then they the investigators
got frustrated and they put him in the same room
as sixteen year old Milton, and he was ready. Milton

(21:22):
was ready to spell the truth so he could be released.
He was he was going to do the tucking. He
was going to snitch. Yeah, yeah, Milton that louis like,
just say the truth, man, come on, come on, man,
I just want to get out of here. And so
eventually they both confessed that fifteen year old Juan Fernando

(21:42):
Mossuarez was the only one responsible for the murders, and
they both had admitted to being scared of Juan, who
threatened to kill them and their families if anyone ever spoke. Okay,
I could see that they're young and they're seeing this
person doing all these things. Yeah, they're not going to
want to talk because they're scared of him. I'm wondering though,

(22:03):
and I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll find out.
But can't they still be charged with like being an
accessory to this or is it no? Because he was
threatening them but there's so many of them, Yeah, there's
one of him. Yeah, and they were all a lot
of them were in the car or in the taxis
when he was doing these things. Because this isn't they
didn't say anything, right, This wasn't the first incident where

(22:23):
they saw a group of like quote unquote men running
out of a taxi after a murder. So it's interesting
as part of the deal with the officers. Milton told
the investigators where Juan lived and how investigators could find him. So,
with the help of special forces, on January fourteenth, nineteen

(22:45):
eighty two, at around two am, armed officers arride at
Juan's home. As they were getting ready to raid the home,
Kuan woke up and threw a grenade outside his window.
Why does he have grenades? Well, I'm sure you can
get anything in the black market, I guess. Wow. And
so then a wall fell and he fell on some

(23:07):
other officers. Oh wow. And then he picked up his gun.
Juan picked up his gun and went on the run. Okay. Unfortunately,
during the chaos, officers saw a body move on a bed,
and they mistook Huan's fifty year old mother for Juan
and shot her multiple times. Oh my god. And let's

(23:28):
remember Sola, the mom. She's deaf, she can't hear. This
is terrible. Yeah. So she didn't even know what's happening,
and she died from multiple guns. Oh my. Juan then
ambushed officers. Oh so he was nearby. He never left.

(23:51):
He ran up to his roof and he shot at
them from his roof. But eventually, though, he turned himself
in when he realized he was around. There was no
way out, not this time. No officials planned a big
press conference after they captured Huan, and they invited all
members of the press, including international journalists. I would imagine

(24:14):
at this point this maybe was a big story air
national news. Yeah. Yeah. In preparation for the press conference,
officers gave Juan a list with the names of everyone
he was charged with killing. Hello, Hello, this is future editing, Christina.
I just wanted to chime in here and say that
we tried and searched and searched for a list of

(24:34):
names of his victims, and we can't find a single
one other than the name Charlie, who we know was
the hairdresser and one of his first victims. So unfortunately
we don't know the names of anyone of the twenty
two people that he was said to have murdered. Okay,
back to the episode, and during the press conference, Juan
showed no remorse and journalists as well as the public

(24:58):
were shocked to see that a very small referral child
had been behind the four month merg Speedma Like they
were like, this is a young, frail looking boy. Yeah,
very wild and in front of the press Juan said,
My intention wasn't to kill, but sometimes it got to

(25:20):
a certain point where I would tell them taxi drivers
that this is as far as the ride was going
to go, and they would try to fight back and
take my gun away, so I would react and shoot them.
Why was your gun out on the first place? One,
that's a good question. You don't point it at anyone
unless your intention is to kill them. And then he
also told the reporters that he murdered taxi drivers because

(25:43):
they were abusive. So he said many, because many taxi
drivers are abusive in many ways and they've offended me.
Oh wow, wow. Yeah, he hates tax drivers clearly, No,
clearly I was this whole time. I was like, what
was the reason? But there's his reason for charging more? Yeah,

(26:06):
that was his reason. Wow. So then the media they
gave him a nickname, as they do. Yeah, they tend
to do fitting I think. Yeah. So then after the
press conference, investigators continued to question Quan to find a motive,
like what the hell? People want to know? People want answers. Yeah,

(26:30):
And so Kwan recounted the murder scenes without remorse, and
he painted a vivid picture for the investigators. He admitted
that his gang would rob cars and take them for
joy rides or use them to rob stores before abandoning
the car. He admitted he shot a taxi driver once
because the driver made fun of him for asking to
be dropped off at a safer location than was originally

(26:52):
agreed to, and so this set him off. Well, according
to Kuan, the texti driver called him the F word,
like a homophobic slur. Yeah, and that's at him off. Okay,
maybe that makes sense as to also how he was
killing members of the LGBTQ community. Yeah, that's what I
was going to say right now to Juan also admitted

(27:14):
to pain officers, including someone named Officer Pucicella, who who
said to have provided Kuan with twenty five bullets every
fifteen days, So he was paying officers for bullets. Apparently,
come on, Officer Pucicella. Juan also told that on that
a high ranking commander hired him to kill a taxi

(27:37):
driver who had reportedly raped that commander's daughter, which I
led to her dying by suicide. I have no words. Wow,
I'm yeah, I'm floored. Wow. And so then they started
to investigate the commander understandable and down the rabbit hole

(28:02):
they went, only to find out that Juan made that
story up. Juan, I never believe them. I believed Huan.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Oh my god, this is why we're not investigators. Of course,
like Juan, I'm gonna let you go.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
You're doing a servant. So apparently he he got this
from the newspaper. He knew about the death of the commanders.
He made the rest the newspaper, and he made the
dude in an interview. Of course he's the sorry. Of
course he's a liar and a scoundrel like you. Yeah,

(28:51):
I mean he's a serial killer. They lie. In an interview,
Kuan's adoptive father said everything changed when Quan turned seven
and when his sister Gloria told them the truth about
his adoption. And obviously not all adoptive kids adopted people

(29:14):
become violent once they learned about their adoptions. But in general,
it's a good idea for people who are adopted to
always know they were adopted and to not hide the
truth and then do a big reveal or they find
out accidentally, because obviously that causes issues. Right, I was
going to say, surely this would bring on some sort
of feelings of betrayal, resentment, and anger, and also it's

(29:37):
a tust. Yes, it seems that maybe the sister wasn't
supposed to tell him at this point, and maybe to
him randomly could be so. Quan said that after that,
Kuan became rebellious and he didn't listen to them anymore.
Kuan eventually stood a trial and was sentenced to sentence

(29:59):
to four years in prison, the maximum that could be
given to a minor at that time. Wow, listen, we
both don't believe in the prison in the incarceral system.
That's not a word. What'd you say, incarcerle carceral, carceral, No,
in incarcerated, That's exactly what I was thinking. But this

(30:22):
is this is someone that we have, is a system
that is in place in so many places, and so
because that's the system that exists, that's not enough time
all the caveats to say, yeah, four years, Like, I'm
surprised that they didn't say, we know he's a minor,
but we're treating him as an adult. I'm surprised too.

(30:44):
I feel like, I don't know, maybe that's not a
thing there, yeah, or if it is now, it wasn't
back then. Here they would have definitely charged him with
adult for sure, no doubt about it. Yeah. So he
was sent to a juvenile detention center. But before he
went to the detention center, he did swear he was

(31:07):
going to kill some of the investigators. So, qua Quan,
four years is nothing like you should have thanked them. Well,
he didn't last the four years. Oh god. He escaped
jail four months later with the help of a girlfriend
who snuck in a pistol for him. Hua girlfriend girlfriend
and Kwan, Yeah, you killed twenty two people. You cann't

(31:29):
do the time, you can do the four years. And
so Quan used that pistol to shoot one of the
officers who tried to stop him. Quan then he fled
to Columbia. Oh my god. But he was recaptured three
months later. Okay, and then what given another four years?
Let's see. Well, he was released in nineteen ninety six

(31:52):
and he moved back in with his dad and Okay,
a few days before his twentieth birthday, he was found dead.
Oh wow. Yeah. Huan's body was found on the banks
of a river by farmers who said the body was unrecognizable.
Oh and the police were able to identify him as

(32:13):
Huan by looking at his ID card, and so the
police said that Juan had been stabbed multiple times with
a machete and shot. Oh my god, and five people
were arrested for his murder. Wow, this went so many places.

(32:35):
I didn't think it was going to go. Yeah, like yeah,
and it seems that maybe someone didn't like him be
now I don't know. And they took some I mean
one of the twenty two people. There's plenty unfortunately. Yeah,

(32:55):
I wanted find maybe who knows, who knows? But wow, wow,
what a what a case. I can't believe. Again, I
think there's so many of these worlds, like I can't
believe ID and heard this, but yeah, wow, Well I
guess with that we'll take a break here and come
back with spooky recommendations. Okay, do you have any spooky recommendations? Okay,

(33:25):
I listened to an audiobook play Nice by Rachel Harrison,
and I have recommended Rachel Harrison books before. I think
last time I recommended one, it was Cackle, which is
like a witchy story. Yes, I don't know. I like
her books. I don't know. Some people complain about them.
I have yet to read one, but they're on my lists.

(33:46):
But I feel like, if you liked it, I like,
I like it. Oh, you have it. Every time I
say that I like one, You're like, I'm going to
read it. Oh, I don't know why. I was like
after the Bewitching, I was just in a reading I
borrowed like other two or three books that I just
didn't finish, And you haven't even finished The Possession of You.

(34:07):
I hadn't started it. I actually started it. Uh oh,
probably a week ago, and I'm like halfway through now
frank and Stein. I finished Frankenstein the audiobook because it's
so short, and that was like, okay, I can read again.
And then I watched the movie and then I felt
like interested in reading again, so I am. I finally

(34:29):
started The Possession of the Ass. Yes. Wow, you weren't
in a slump for sure. So and I'm actually reading it.
I'm not listening to it.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I read it not ago and I finished it. And
then I had borrowed the audiobook, and then I had
a bunch of other audiobooks that I was my holds
were coming through, and then I never got around to
listening to it. So I haven't listened to it either.
But anyway, play nice. It's about an influencer. Well, it's

(35:02):
for three or four siblings that I remember. Sisters, Yeah, siblings, yes,
actually already did. I added to our sibling horror topic
or whatever that we were talking about on Patreon and anyway,
So they grew up in a haunted house, at a
house that their mom said was haunted, but everyone else says,

(35:25):
including their dad, says their mom was crazy and was
abusing them, and so the dad ended up getting full
custody of them. And after he got full custody of them,
the mom uh basically has not been in their lives.
And then she dies and then they inherit the house.
And the main character, Cleo, is the youngest one, and
she she is the one kind of like trying to

(35:47):
renovate the house and more willing to kind of like,
the mom wrote a book also sorry about the Haunted House,
and the other girls have never read it because they refused.
They were older, they experienced more, and they were used
to even believe or hear the mom out at all.
And the youngest one is willing to hear her out,
and so that's kind of what it's about. Like basically,

(36:09):
the Hunted House yes, potentially there's a demon in the house,
but also about the abusive you know relationship, the relationship
with the mom, and the dynamic between the sisters, which
I love. I enjoyed it. This sounds fun. Yeah, a lot.
It to my long list of her books that I

(36:31):
still need to read. That was there for your speaker recommendation. Okay,
my speaker recommendation is chronos By the movie. Sorry movie.
I was gonna say it like it was a book
in chronos By, but no, Chronos it's GI's debut as
a director. Really, I didn't know that. Yeah, it came

(36:55):
out in Oh, I don't want to be wrong. I
want to say nineteen ninety two. Yes, it came out
in nineteen ninety two. And so Chronos. It's a vampire movie,
but it's also it's also a holiday movie. It's also
a Christmas movie. I need to watch this in the
sense that it's happening around Christmas time. Okay, Yeah, and

(37:18):
you know throughout the movie there's very Christmasy looking background scene.
I love that. Yeah, so add that to your Christmas
movie watch list. Chronos. But it's it's a twist on
the vampire story, you know how vampires is usually like
a young but like hundreds of years old vampire. This

(37:39):
is the opposite of that. Interesting. I mean, a sweet
grandpa who becomes a vampire. What through chronos, this little
old thing made by an alchemist centuries and centuries ago,
like literally during colonization. Basically, this alchemist was around and

(38:01):
was like kicked out of Spain and he had to
go to to work on his wacky experiments because he
was doing the work of the devil essentially, and so
he is the one who found or made this this
Chrono's device work, and this gives you the ability to
live forever really, and so yeah, this sweet old little

(38:25):
becomes a vampire essentially. It's I mean, everyone knows it's
a vampire movie, so I'm not spoiling anything. And it's
also such an old movie. But yeah, when Frankenzein came out,
I wanted to go back and like watch all the
movies that I haven't seen. There's so many. I don't
even know if I had, I think I have only
seen Pacific Rim, which is a sci fi You didn't know,

(38:49):
he Yeah, that's the only one I've seen, because I
don't even think have we seen pants Labyrinth. No, I
have never seen it. Okay, if you haven't seen it,
I haven't seen it either. I don't know if you
watch it without me. No, I've never seen Honestly, I
don't think i've seen any of I've never watched. What's
the other one that's popular? Oh, The Shape of Water. Oh,
I just watched that last week. I've been renting it

(39:11):
from my favorite place in the world, Scarecrow Video, And
so yeah, now that's what I'm diving into all of
his work. And they have a little their green shelves
are all directors, and so they have all of his
movies all in a row, and I'm just every week
I go back and grab the other one. So they
have a whole shelf of Justice movies that they have.
They have their green shelves is like, and they have
sections and it's sectioned off by directors and so there's

(39:32):
like you get a little Doro section where they have
a lot of movies. But yeah, I watched The Shape
of Water. That was it was good. I don't really
like romance movies, but this was like romance with a
twist of horror. Oh, it's not technically a horror movie.
It was like a romance fantasy. Okay, but of course,

(39:53):
so there's gonna be spooky vibes and there no matter what. Yeah,
and there was. That was a great movie. I enjoyed it. Beautiful,
beautiful movie. But no, I'm talking about Kronos. Wait, which
one are you talking about right now? Right now? The
Shape of Water? Oh that was a romance fantasy. Yeah, okay,
yeah I did. I think I need that. Yeah, but yeah,

(40:15):
Chronos his debut worth watching, especially if you like watch
Frankenstein and you loved it. Like we've been saying all
of his I think we said it in the Patreon
episode that we recorded about Patreon or about Frankenstein for Patreon,
that all of his he said, and a bunch of
in nerviews, that all of his work was leading up
to Frankenstein. And you could even see that in Chronos,
like the typical Gio tropes that we see and even

(40:41):
Frankenstein now that are polished and like, you know, so
well done. They're in Chronos like the body horror is there,
like the whole thing with bugs or insects that he
you know, like butterflies, like just like bugs. Warning, there
is cockroaches in Cronos so, oh, I'm not gonna watch it.

(41:03):
Watching it and I was like, I can't. I think
I I was watching it. We were driving down from
Seattle to Vancouver, and I was wentual on my laptop
and like, literally within the first few seconds on the movie,
you can see That's why, you know, if they ever
made a movie of the Unworthy, I I don't think
I could watch it because, yeah, cockroaches. If if someone
had told me there's cockroaches, I don't think I could

(41:24):
watch it. But I didn't know, so warning there is
KOs yeah, and I was I was like, ah, and
poor Kyle was driving and he's like, I'm like, there's
a cockroach in the movie. He's like, yeah, they're coming
out of the statue. Is disgusting. Nope, I can't watch that.

(41:47):
I'm trying to say, I will never watch that movie. Okay,
understandable honestly, but no, it's so good. But if someone
edits out, you know how, sorry, but you know how
they you know what I'll do for you, Carman. You'll
edit out all the cockroach scenes, yes, and I'll send
it to you. That's what I was gonna say that
if someone edits down, there has to be a cockroach
free version. I will make a cockroach PG versions of

(42:10):
like The Office and like popular stuff that you know,
the Christian fundamentalist watch right, like a version like that,
but cockroach free. Then I'll watch that. Okay, yes, I'll
do that for you. Cool. Anyway, I love Day. I
loved it. It's such a beautiful story and really in
the end, I think the lesson is that death is

(42:33):
a gift, which is such a Mexican thing. I was
just gonna say that, Wow, our minds. And that's not
just saying like obviously if you lose a love when
you're going to warn them, But I think it goes
as a whole as like a Mexican society with like
things like the Almuertos and like or just a fascination

(42:53):
with them a cob like it's very fitting with that
type of thing, you know. So yeah, it's it's a
great movie. I enjoyed it. Some might say it's his
weakest work because it was his first one. Oh I
mean I think that makes sense. I enjoyed it. Nonetheless, Yeah,
it was still it's still such a great watch. And

(43:14):
Ron Peerlman, do you know Ron Peerlman. I'm sure we saw. Okay,
he's in this and he's so funny in it. He's
so funny in it. He's he's like in Mexico. I
don't know what business him and his father have in Mexico,
but you know, Nafta takes help. It is some sort

(43:35):
of factory. Maybe it's a mechila, I don't know. I
don't remember, but they have some business there. And he
hates being in Mexico. He hates it and he's so
like white about it. And it's so funny. But this
was intentional, this character for sure. Yeah, I see, yeah,
but no, it's it's so it's so fun to watch.

(43:57):
And oh, I like so many movies have like kids
in them. This has a kid too, and like all
of his movies, she's amazing. Oh he never misses with
the kid actors. They're always so good and she is wonderful.
Like it's it's it's a good movie. I highly recommend it.

(44:18):
And yeah, I guess this brings us to the end
of the episode. Yes, this does bring us to the
end of the episode. Yeah, I don't know. Don't trust
one and I'm just kidding. But no, Well, so tie
you to our listeners. Story don't go to a plantation
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(44:40):
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