Encounters With Nahuales

According to legend, a nahual (or nagual), is a person that can transform into an animal, through magic. They are associated with evil, though prior to colonization, this was likely not the case. On today's episode, Cristina and MJ share different encounters with Nahuales. First, they read a listener story.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hi everyone. This is Christina andthis is MJ. And this is another
episode of a Spooky Tels, thepodcast for all Things a Spooky. Today,
we have nihalist stories, but beforewe start the episode, shout out
to our patron members. We hitforty at the time of recording. Of

(00:23):
course, once in a while welose like one or two, and then
we never quite make it to fortyand stay there. So we'll see,
we'll see. I have to uploadthat episode we record it. I haven't
done that, but yeah, wedo like one episode a month, sometimes
two, and then turned out stickers. I just made some really cute ones
that say no mamis on a littlelike. I love them. I know,

(00:46):
I love these ones. I havehow many extras do I have?
Four? I'm gonna send you one, one, two, three, four
or five. I'm holding them rightnow. I don't know why anyway.
Yeah, they're super cute. Soyeah, if you want occasional very cute
stickers and a one or two bonusepisodes a month where we read Reddit stories
to each other react to them.Sometimes they are about other things, other

(01:07):
you know, legends, places,things like that, but most of the
time it's just Reddit stories. Yeah, head on over to Patreon for that.
And yeah, before we get tothe stories that we have done,
willist stories that we have for thisepisode. I do have a listeners story.
If you have any stories you wantto send into the podcast, you
can email at Spooky Tales at gmaildot com. You can submit it on

(01:30):
Discord. We have a channel lessto submit your scary story. You can
what else, call the phone numberin the show notes. I've realized that
I had been forgetting to put itin the show notes. I have this
thing that I just copy and pasteback and forth that's already made, and
I somehow accidentally deleted it from that. So every time I added in the

(01:51):
show notes for a new episode,the phone number wasn't there. Oh no,
but it is there now, soyes, it'll be there. You
can leave a voicemail there all.A voice memo attached to an email works
just fine too. That's how wehad the one for a last last episode
the Brukas stories. So yeah,all those are options, and yeah,

(02:12):
send them in. We love receivingthem. Okay, So here's this listeners
story. My dadd used to livein this house with his first wife and
my stepsister when she was a baby. He's a carpenter, so he was
working on the house. Every timehe was in the basement, he felt
like someone was watching him. Furniturewould move around. One night, he
woke up and saw the clothes inthe closet moving, and then he saw

(02:35):
black eyes and a shadow figure lookingat him from the closet. It yeah,
yeah, no, It flew outof the closet and he freaked out
and threw his blanket on it,and it disappeared. Happened a few nights
in a row until one night itquickly left the room and then came back
like it was holding a baby.Oh, and he thought, oh,

(02:59):
my god, as my daughter,So he ran to her room, but
she was sleeping soundly. They didn'tlive there that long and ended up selling
it after he was done working onit. There was never any paranormal activity
in the audition he had built.It has constantly been on the market to
this day. And years later hefound an old news article about what had

(03:20):
happened there. A pregnant woman hadkilled her twelve year old daughter with an
axe in the basement and then killedherself and the unborn baby in the kitchen.
Oh my god, Oh my god. Wow, wow, oh my
this explains the figure looking like itwas holding a baby. Yes, this

(03:44):
whole thing is fucking creepy. Ohmy god. I would have burned down
the house once I found that informationout, just like commit random arson.
Even if I wasn't in that area, I would go back, find the
house, light it on fire,condemn it. Yeah something. Yeah,
it's also extra crepi that like it'son the market and again again and again

(04:08):
because like nobody wants to live there. Can't blame the girls. Horrifying,
all right, thank you so muchfor sending that in. Yeah, oh
yes, I don't like it,like I like it, but I don't
like it, you know. Okay, So I guess we'll just go take

(04:28):
turns, like go back and forth. I do one, okay, so
I'll start with this one. Thisis from a YouTube channel called and they
just share paranormal experiences. People sendthem from most of the time Mexico in
the United States, And this wassubmitted by a man named Victor Or Victor
about named Victor, but we callhim Yiyo. I don't know why is

(04:50):
that? Like I never understood howpeople get the Spanish nicknames. I'm like
out I have no idea where doesthat come from. There's nothing in that
name that begins with you know,X, Y and z zeros. Like
every time I talked to my dadand he's telling me about people that he
knew in Salvador, he's like,oh, I Artas because he had the

(05:12):
body of a lizard. I'm like, what the fuck he's like? And
this one he was called like,I don't know, just outrageous names for
some reason. I only remember thatone right now, but just names that
don't make any sense. Yes,it's not weird. Yeah, just like
my little cousin when I was overthere like five or six years ago,
he was like, oh yeah atschool Medicina Lacas because he's so skinny and

(05:40):
he's like and then there's another kidwho looks Asian, so they just call
him Elchino or Happones. I don'teven remember which one. Terrible, terrible
stuff. The one that I rememberis like somebody was called Batman because both
their parents died. Oh that waslike that I would have been. But
also at the same time, it'skind of fun. I love. A
while back, there was a trendon TikTok, like people were just sharing

(06:04):
the ridiculous names that their Mexican parentscalled their kids. So I was like,
Oh, I called my art,I named my kid. What was
it? Oh my god, Ithink it was. I think I know
what you're talking about. And I'veseen one of them named Levi and they
call him Levi's Geans. Yeah,they call him Jeans. That's what it

(06:24):
was. That's why. That's whyI was like, I have to think
of a name that's in Spanish thatlike, they can't do this, they
can't. Yeah. Yeah, becauseyeah, if you go out here saying,
oh my son is Levi, myname is Gunner, my name it,
or this name is, I don'tknow, all these weird names,
they're gonna they're gonna come yeah,and that's your that's your child's name for

(06:48):
life. Like it doesn't matter whattheir legal name is. Their nickname,
it's the one that everybody's going toknow him by. Yeah. Yeah.
If anyone has some like ridiculous nickname like that, please tell me because
I love hearing them too. Ilove when it makes zero sense, like
like we were just saying, likeit just yeah, so please tell them

(07:10):
to me. Okay, back tothe story that I never started. This
was submitted by Victor. So,according to Victor, he gets up every
day at six am. He makesit to work by seven am. On
his way to work, Victor hasto decide if he's going to take the
long way or the short way tothe bus stop. So the long path
through cards Victor to walk a fewmiles, while the second path cuts Victor's

(07:32):
comute by twenty minutes. But hehas to walk through a graveyard. I'm
going to go the long way everytime. Yeah. Normally Victor takes the
short path because he walks with aneighbor to the bus stop. Okay,
so they're walking into so that's notthat bad. But one day, Victor's
neighbor had an earlier workshift than him, and so Victor had to go through

(07:54):
the cemetery alone. He took outhis cell phone to use the flashlight to
help him see as he walked through, you know, the cemetery alone.
That's when he spotted what looked likea man standing at the end of the
cemetery. Victor quickly pointed his flashlightat the figure, but it ran away
and hid between the tombs. Ohfuck that shit. Curious about what he

(08:18):
saw, Victor walked towards where hebelieved the figure was standing, but found
nothing. This left Victor confused,but he decided to continue on to work.
On a different day, Viktortos walkingto work when he came across an
animal that looked like a rottweiler.The animals stood in front of him,
growled angrily, and did not letVictor cross. Afraid that the dog would

(08:41):
bite him, Victoria waited a fewminutes before turning around. Surprisingly, the
dog did not follow Victor as hefled. And then again a few days
later, Victor's walking around nighttime whenhe came across A few days later,
Victoro's walking around nighttime when he cameacross what he thought was the same dog.

(09:01):
He once again got startled and pickedup a rock so he could defend
himself, but Victor realized that thiswasn't a dog, it was a man
wearing a hat. The encounter gaveVictor chills as he watched the man moved
right by him without making a soundor eye contact. It's like the man
they didn't even know Victor was there. The man just continued to walk while

(09:26):
Victor ran as far as he could. Victor's neighbor, though was not as
lucky. He was found dead ina cemetery a few days later. Oh
my god. Victor never found outwhat happened to him, but his neighbor
would always tell tales about a womanhe would encounter in the graveyard while he
walked to the bus stop. Theneighbor told Victor that he tried to approach

(09:48):
the women several times but was neverable to catch up. Now Victor avoids
the cemetery and takes the long pathto the bus stop. He's convinced that
the man he encountered and the womenhis neighbor encountered were both naturalists. M
No, no, no, no, no suspicious. Uh no, I

(10:09):
don't like it, and I guesswe should probably explain. And I mean
we said it several times now,because we had the werewolf episode from a
while back. It was like aone hundred and twelve or something like that.
I don't know, I pulled thatnumber out of my ass. It
could be very wrong. It wasa while ago though, and then before
that, I think we have aneven older one where we maybe mentioned nawals

(10:31):
as well. We don't have awhole episode like on the whole legend and
stuff, but actually, I thinkwe talked about them a little bit,
maybe in the Hit EO episode.I don't remember. I don't remember,
but I feel like we've mentioned it, like, yeah, we have mentioned
them a bunch of times. Butwhat a naal or naualis are? Oh
you know what? It wasn't aCadico episode that we went into a little

(10:52):
bit more about nahualist, But basicallyit's like a ruko, a sorcerer,
a shaman, someone with like magicalpowers that can shape shift into an animal.
And I think it was the Werewolfepisode where we found some stories where
people say, like they're actually notevil, they're like protectors of the earth,

(11:13):
right, but you know, afterlike Christianity and now like people hear
the name and like all those thingsare evil, like akin to stories of
those that shall not be named andindigenous folklore like you know in a certain
ranch. Yes, if you know, if you get my drift, same

(11:35):
vibe, same vibe, I think, so yeah, that's what those are.
So yeah, you have another story, Yes I do, And this
one is for you guys. Ihave a theory and I'm gonna tell it
at the end, but this isfor a listeners to decide if it is
or it is not. Okay,so this is all like on your opinion,

(12:00):
okay, okay, okay. Sothis other this, this story is
from podcast Extra and Normal, whichis you know, I've been like bingeing
them for the past like two weeksand it's my favorite right now. I'm
obsessed And I got this story fromepisode eighty eight and facco On this episode
has a guest co host with him, as he usually does, and he

(12:22):
refers to this guest as el doc. Now el doc is is an empty
and so he goes onto the showsitting down next to Paco, but he
has his face covered with sunglasses andmasks and a hat as so yeah,
so he doesn't want to get firedfrom the hospital, but he has stories

(12:43):
like this whole episode is like crazystories he has had as working as an
empty across in several different cities acrossMexico episodes so like hospital stories. Yeah,
this reminds me, send us yourhospital stories aren't gone. It's it's
good. And again if you're aSpanish speaker, watch because that you could

(13:07):
watch it on YouTube or listen toit on a streaming service for a podcast,
it's it's a really good episode.So in this story, and Locke
says he's not sure what he encounterednow while or something else. However,
at the end of the day,you know, I have a theory,
you know. So he was assignedto a Centro Salus in this pueblo of

(13:31):
Usila, I think it's Usila andCentro the Salus is a community health center.
And this place was so small andhad little to no funding that he
was the only person who worked atthe center. Didn't have a nurse.
He did everything. He was adoctor, the nurse, and the janitor.
And he says that there was acommittee that was supposed to be in
charge the health center, but theyneglected it. As per usual, stuff

(13:56):
like this always happens. The docgoes on to say, one night,
a woman around twenty five to thirtyyears old went into the community health center
looking for help. She said thatshe went to get help because someone was
seriously injured. He asked her,can you bring them here? She told
him they are in the like onthe mountain and this person is severely injured

(14:18):
and can't move. He's like,okay, fine, and asks how far
this trek will be. She tellshim it will take roughly forty five minutes
of walking to reach them, toreach this person. So he packs as
much stuff as he can and theybegan walking, and they are going through
these little paths that you wouldn't beable to find unless you knew where you

(14:39):
were going. It was very isolated, and it's at night. They reach
a black, single story house.The windows were all covered. It had
a few rooms. It looked almostabandoned. He says, it was as
if whoever built this found this spacein the side the mountain and decided to

(15:01):
build something there. So I'm guessingit was like like there was like this
chunk cut out from the mountain andit just so happened that someone saw it
and was like, oh, that'sa perfect place to build a house,
so they did. There were twobedrooms, one that belonged to the woman
who asked him for help, inthe other room that had the door slightly
Ajar, and a central room thatwas empty, so just her room and

(15:24):
another room had furniture, and theliving room was like empty, it didn't
have any furniture in the room thatwas slightly Ajar was the man needing medical
attention. He describes him as NorthAmerican a foreigner more than two meters tall.
So he was very tall. Whatis two meters? Sorry, let

(15:46):
me just look that up. Ithink it's like over six feet six ft
five? Oh dan, Yeah,so he was really tall and white,
bald, without a single hair,no eyelashes, no eyeom, completely hairless.
He describes him as wearing and thisis like linen pants, you know,

(16:07):
like that like off white pants thatare like cottoners or very breathable like
that material. Yeah, like reallygood for hot weather. He wore a
shirt that was unbuttoned and opened completely, and he was in a fetal position.
The doc goes up to him andasks him, what's your name?

(16:29):
He gets no response. Then heasks him where is your pain? He
gets again no response, but hedoes point at something, so he continues
to try to speak to him.He like tries a little in an English,
but again no response. He thenasked the woman for some help,
and she tells him that the manis the doctor. You told me to

(16:49):
get. The man then relaxes alittle bit and the doc goes on to
examine him. When he touched theman, he was cold. It was
like what he did scribe touching aserpent. He was cold, hard and
scaly. What weird And he checkshim and he realizes that he has had

(17:11):
a shotgun injury. So my fuckinggod, oh my god. Wait wait
wait wait, Waite tried to killhim, and he goes on to say
that the injury wasn't super serious.However, he couldn't exactly tell how bad
it was as the only light theyhad was the candle and his phone.

(17:33):
That was it. The man takesoff the bandage that was covering the wound
and the injury was surrounded by anemerald green coloration. He told the man
and the woman that this is seriousinfection and he needs to go to the
hospital. He did what he couldand began cleaning the wound to the best
of his abilities. What he foundstrange is that the wound looked putrid,

(17:56):
but it had no odor. Itdidn't smell like it had puster anything.
He got a gaze with the infectedblood and brought it to his nose,
but again he couldn't smell anything.He kept on cleaning out the wound,
but it kept on coming out thisweird green color. So he cleaned and
cleaned and never got to the redblood. And he checked for an hour.

(18:18):
So this man is like checking thewound to see if any red blood
comes through, because he's like,I don't know, there's this this serious
infection, and why is there nored blood. He doesn't understand what's going
on. And he still thought itwas an infection, but he had to
bandage the man up. So hecontinues to clarify that the bullet wound wasn't

(18:38):
so serious, but to him,that green licket and the green liquid and
the green coloration of the wound madehim think it was an infection. He's
like, I gotta get this manstitched up and bandaged, so maybe he
will go to the hospitals. Thatwas his hope. He gave the man
some antibiotics and cleaned it with someantibiotic ointment and anti fungal ointment. He

(19:00):
cleaned his wound with some hydrogen peroxideand it activated, but without the foam.
So because when hydrogen peroxide touches blood, it begins to bubble, and
this didn't happen, and it wasvery strange. He bandished him, took
his vitals and pressure and he sayshis blood pressure was severely low. He

(19:22):
told the woman that this is serious. He's in shock. His blood pressure
is like he should be like Idon't know, like cardiac arrest or something.
He tells her he could get somevolunteers to come up here and bring
him safely to the hospital. Hewas so weirded out because this man was
super chill. His blood pressure wasdropping, but he acted like I'm good,

(19:45):
Like he was fine. Yeah,like he was fine. The woman
told him, don't worry, he'sfine, and she also told him that
she works for him. He leftthem with the antibiotics and instructions, and
he was weirded out the entire timebecause nothing made sense. He also said
this man didn't even blink. Hisface was skeletal like cheeks sunken in.

(20:11):
His brow bone acted like eyebrows like, so he had a really prominent browbone.
He told them I have to go. If you need help, let
me know. I can get volunteersup here. As he was leaving,
he looked back and this man hispupils changed. He had cat like eyes
with the slit down the middle.He blinked with the side of his eyes

(20:34):
like a reptile. He blinked withthis third eyelid and the doctor was like,
what is this, Oh my god, what is this now? The
doc at first thought this was Snawa, but looking back, he doesn't think
this man was ever human. Andthis story reminds me. Yes, when

(20:55):
you were saying he was shot andthen he was like red tile like I
was like, oh my god,this is the thing from the desert.
Yes too, because it's it's soweird. Yeah, where did this happen?
This doesn't where did this happen?Usila? Let me see where that

(21:15):
is? I forget. I thinkit might be in Ohaka. Oh that's
too far. If it is,yeah, but we don't know if that
person travels because I forgot to mentionthis. But the lady makes the woman
told him that he leaves for long, long periods of time and then comes.
Oh so he's gone for I don'tknow if it's days or weeks,

(21:37):
but he's gone for a long timeand then randomly comes back. So that's
yeah, you know, if ithad been like in what's it called?
Yeah, it's in Ohaka, butmaybe it's like the same creature that is
so far. No true, ifit had been somewhere like I don't know,

(22:00):
Sonora, or like yeah, seethat Chiawa areas. But that's what
I thought too. I was likemaybe it's not the same one but but
similar or like yeah, and Iwas just like that's so weird. Yeah,
no, this is so and maybeit was it but it got shot
and I was like, I gottago home. Yeah that was yeah.

(22:22):
I thought of that immediately. Iwas like what oh oh, And then
I forgot to mention this for somereason. I forgot to write this down.
But he said as he was leaving, this thing began speaking, and
it was speaking, but like itsounded like what they said, like Harry
Potter, like the parcel done yes. And then it was like he was

(22:45):
like, I was so weird becauselike he had this weird speech thing.
Oh you know. The other thingthat I that came to mind was the
the sohen the Celancio, the zoneof Silence, because they say that the
aliens that people see there are likevery very tall, very white. True,

(23:12):
and but again it's too far.It's too far for me too,
because they're like aliens. I wouldhope they have better transportation than true.
True, but I would be moreinclined to believe it was either the thing
from the desert again, if ithappened in a border border city, or
maybe they're everywhere. True, thatwould also make sense why they were.

(23:33):
They would be like in Wahaca becauselike that area is very warm. Oh
maybe they like they maybe they liketo go different places tropical to get their
sun because it's cold. They're like, I'm gonna go over there. Let
take a little vacation to like Queen. But you know what, like weird
shit happens in Wahaca. Lots oflots of stories, such a mystical place,

(23:56):
for sure. So wow, that'screepy, and that's I would go
there with a group of like fifteenthough, no less time, no less.
Now there's a book called The Ruinswhere some people go in a group
of like seven or eight to likethe Jungles of I don't remember if it
was Haka or if it was furthera little further down, but they're like

(24:18):
in the junglest like indigenous land,and then like shit just goes bad.
Okay, so bring a group ofyeah, yeah, oh wow, that's
creepy though, So I don't know, imagine like seeing that ship. This

(24:41):
is why this is I keep sayingthis, but this is why I don't
see anything because like Micago and thenMimuelo both in a row and then yeah,
they're gonna be like, how didshe die? And then no one's
gonna want to like say, butthey're gonna be like it wasn't pretty.
Oh, we don't want to talkabout it, but it was kind of

(25:02):
gross. We're gonna be like inthe afterlife, you know how they made
a fun of in Cocoa. What'shis name for dying choking on us?
Yeah, that's gonna be me.Yeah, seriously, welcome to our little

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much for doing that. Okay,So my other story is called the Serpent

(27:00):
of Algante and I found it onQuenta dot com. So this goes.
My Abulita told me this story whenI was a little boy. It terrified
me when I first heard it becausemy grandma is an honest and wise woman,

(27:21):
so there was no way that thisstory was not true. She said
that as a young girl, sheused to live in Monte Morello's Nouveau Leon
in a small community. She livedthere with her parents in a small rancho.
Near the rancho, there was ariver, and her friend used to
live close to the river. Thisfriend was older than my grandmother. She

(27:42):
was seventeen and recently married. Mygrandma's friend was also pregnant, but superactive
and very friendly. Every morning shemade tortillas to sell to everyone nearby.
My grandma spent a lot of timeat their house. Sometime after the baby
was born, my grandma and greatgrandma went over there as usual for some
tortillas. It was early in themorning and they knocked, but no one

(28:07):
would open. All they could hearwas the baby boy crying. They were
worried, so they tried the doorand it happened to be open, so
they went in. They found theyoung mom asleep next to the baby,
but it was extremely difficult to wakeher up, almost like she was in
a trance. My great grandma askedher, once, you know, they
did wake her up. My greatgrandma asked her, was get what happened

(28:30):
to you? And the young momanswered, I don't know. I just
get so tired. After the babynurses. As the days passed, the
young mom looked more and more tiredand sick. The baby started losing weight
and crying and crying more. Thehusband grew worried. He decided to miss
work one day to take care ofthem. As he woke up one morning

(28:55):
to feed their animals, he wasoutside and they heard the baby start to
cry. Then he heard his wifecalmed the baby down and the baby stopped
crying, so he continued to workoutside. After some moments, he heard
the sound of Najara. It waslike a jar. I want to say,
yeah, it is like because theytechnically have a glass one. I

(29:18):
think it's clay though, you know, like the ones from That's That's that's
what pops up in my mind too, me too, Yeah, That's what
I'm thinking of. So he heardthis fall. He ran inside to see
what was happening, and when hewent into the room, he was horrified.

(29:40):
He saw a snake drinking the milkof his wife while she slept,
but she looks dated. The snake'stail was in the baby's mouth. He
grabbed the mate and struck the snake. He then grabbed it threw it out
side, put them as stay thereon, it threw some wood on it

(30:03):
and set fire to it. Holy. After this took place, my grandma
arrived. The husband told her everythingand showed my grandma where he burned the
snake. There she saw a pileof bones, human bones. It's believes
now that this snake was a Now, while it's crazy, just imagine seeing

(30:25):
that, I would throw up.I would throw ye save my wife.
But yeah, but first, yeah, gotta wait a second, hold on.
It's it's even more jarring because hewas outside and he heard, like
the baby started crying, and hewas like, oh, she calmed the
baby down, like oh she heardheard like oh yeah yeah, and then

(30:47):
like the baby stopped crying. Sohe's like, oh, she's she took
care of the baby. It's good. But it was actually the snake's fucking
tail in the baby's mouth. That'swhy. Yeah, that's why the baby
stopped crying. And that just makesit some it's worse for me. Yes,
I like it feels so I don'tknow, like violating, Yes,

(31:07):
so disturbing. Okay, So Igot the second story, and it's again
from podcast Extra Normald and this one'sfrom episode ninety three. For those who
want to listen. This is justso good, and he has another guest
on this, another co host guest, Peppe hooks, I believe it's how

(31:29):
you pronounce it and trigger warning.This story has abuse and human trafficking in
it, so if skip to theend, it's it's a it's a rough
story. So Peppa says he hada listener who always engaged in his post,
and one day she reached out tohim wanting to tell him a story,
but she was unsure if she should. She was scared that something was

(31:51):
going to happen to her, butPeppa assured her, like, you don't
have to. If you don't wantto, we could keep you anonymous.
Whatever you want to do is fine. So she gets the courage and sent
in her story and she titled itas a Nawa saved me from human trafficking.
Oh, she used harsh a word, but to me, she's a
victim and she was trafficked and nowshe shall not be referring to her that

(32:15):
way. Oh. I see.Her family was poor, and she had
lots of siblings, and she wasone of the younger siblings and she had
some brothers that were older. Herfather was an alcoholic and her brothers were
on the same path. Her motherworked all day, so her brothers got
to do whatever they wanted. Wow. And one of her brothers started bringing

(32:39):
in money and he told them hisjob was bringing girls to parties. He
started getting a lot of money,and she wanted some. She asked him
to She asked him for money,like, give mom some so she doesn't
have to work so much. Hegot mad, they fought. He told
them no, it's his money he'sgoing to and how he wants ungrateful little

(33:01):
bit and she was like, fine, but I want a job too.
And she's like, I'm a girl. I have friends. I can get
some of my friends to go partywith you. She was extremely innocent.
She didn't know. He tells her, okay, how many friends can you
bring to these parties? And shetells them this many. He's like all

(33:23):
right, and he's like, youand your friends will be picked up on
this day, on this time togo to one of the parties. Her
brother was a pimp. MM yeah, I think we figured that out,
we and the listeners that are notlistening right now at the moment that we're
recording. But I was like,we figured it out anyway, Yes,

(33:45):
so they go to this party andthey start to give the girl's strengths.
These people at the party started separatingthe girls from each other, so she
began freaking out, and her andtwo other girls at this point were the
only ones left. So they werelike, let's go to the bathroom together.
And at this point they had asecurity guard tell them he was following

(34:06):
them, so they weren't leaving,you know, they made that clear.
Oh, he was like making surethat they couldn't leave. Yeah, And
they entered the bathroom and this manwas just standing there. There were two
stalls to her friends each got intoone, and she's left waiting with the
man. He tells her, ifyou want to escape, this is what
you need to do, and hetells them, you know the exact path

(34:27):
to get away. So just asthey were about to be free, her
brother catches them. He brought themback and they began to interrogate the girls.
How did you know how to getout of here? Who told you?
And they described the man and theychecked security cameras and they didn't see
anybody, like, no one thatfit that description. Oh shit. After

(34:47):
some time, they began to traffickerher own brother of course, because most
of the time it is a relative. Yeah, it is a relative.
Yeah. After many years of beingheld cap div and after moving from one
location after another, roughly nine yearslater, she's held in a place in
a ranch in Guanajuato, and thisranch was run by the person who trafficked

(35:13):
her. All the not her brother, but like another person. Oh,
all the government officials in the area, they were all part of this like
mafia, So all the government officialswere in on it in this little bueblo
or whatever in this area, thoughshe had a little bit more freedom.
She was able to go out shoppingand get groceries, et cetera, but

(35:34):
she couldn't leave the bueblo. Theman who ran it was extremely powerful and
previously three other girls had tried toescape and it didn't end well for them,
so she didn't even try. Herand another girl were responsible for treating
the gang slash mafia members who wereinjured due to altercations with another group.
This other girl was the nurse beforeshe was kidnapped and trafficked. One day,

(36:00):
she's out running errands and she runsinto this man and she recognizes him.
They stare at each other and sherealizes it's the man from the bathroom,
the one who tried to help herand her friends years ago. The
man asked, hey, is soand so here and it was the name
of the nurse. And she's likeand he's like, she's here, right,

(36:21):
I'm going to rescue her. Andshe's dumbfounded at this point, and
there's really only one thing she couldlike say in his and she tells him,
Hey, you're the man who triedto help me so many years ago.
That's it. That was like theentirety of the conversation, Like she's
in shock and he's just, youknow, doing looking for somebody. And
a few days passed and there wasan incident that took place and one of

(36:45):
the goons that worked for the traffickerwas attacked. He looked like he was
attacked by a wild beast. Hewas dying, and he was bedwritten for
several days and would say the mostoutlandish things like it ripped his head off,
Oh my god, oh my god, what it's getting crazy. After

(37:06):
a few days he regains his witsand they asked him what happened. He
says, they were circling the perimeter, making sure that there wasn't any rival
groups or anything that needed to youknow, they needed to watch out for.
During this time, they came acrossan elderly man. This elderly man
asked for a ride because his truckran out of gas. I was told

(37:30):
there was a publo here and Icould and I could see if I could
get help, he said. Theysaid, yes, we will help,
but because they were suspicious of everyone, they said they were going to have
to handcuff him. So they helpedhim into the truck and placed him in
the middle between both of them.They said, we will bring you to
the town, but you're going tohave to get your own help. And

(37:52):
this elderly man begins asking questions aboutthe nurse. He knew her name,
and he was asked asking where herwhereabouts are. At this point, the
two goons try to unalive the man, and it's at this point the elderly
man transforms into a nawa. Hebegins to attack the goons and he kills

(38:13):
one of them and leaves the otherseverely injured. The one the girls are
treating. The goon that survived,begins to beg for forgiveness from the nurse.
He's like, I didn't mean tohurt you. Please tell him I
didn't hurt you. He threatened me. So he's so severely injured. He's
moved and she never heard what happenedto him. But at this point in
time, he's just he's moved andshe never gets to know what happened to

(38:37):
the man, if he's survived whatever, she never finds out. And one
night they were awaiting their clients andthey had the woman in the brothel.
So they begin to hear a lotof noise and a lot of commotion,
gunshots and screaming, and then theelderly man barges into their room, the
same man who tried to help herin the bathroom so many years ago,

(39:00):
and the same man she ran intowhen grocery shopping. Her friend, the
nurse and the elderly man embrace.They hug in exchange I love you.
She's confused at this point, shedoesn't understand what's going on. They began
hearing sirens, and she knows atthis point, once the police get here,
it's going to end badly because thepolice work for the trafficker. The

(39:22):
elderly man has it all planned out. Though they began walking through the hills
for several hours. After a while, the three of them get to an
encampment and the elderly man was alreadyprepared. They stayed there for several days
and he helped many girls. Hedidn't just save her and the nurse.
He saved all, if not most, of the girls there one at a

(39:45):
time. He helped them find theirfamilies. Wow. She asked him one
day, why are you helping us? And she finds out that this Nahwa
is from Vera Cruz and the sameplace that the nurse friend is from.
He was the nurse's father. Oh. The nurse friend had finished her studies

(40:06):
in Vera Cruz and went to seeme go to work. She ended up
going to a party. That's whereshe's kidnapped, and that day he encountered
her in the bathroom. He waslooking for his daughter. However, he
was too late that day. Shehad been moved earlier, like to another
location. Yeah, and the storyhas a bittersweet ending. She migrated to

(40:30):
the United States. She started afamily. Her brother is in jail,
but unfortunately her mother died and shenever got to see her mom again.
Oh my god, but I thisis a very rough story. But Nahuas
have a really negative rep like yes, you know, they're often considered evil.

(40:55):
But this man who was a nawalsaved all the girls from in that
brothel, like and he not onlysaved them, he helped them find their
families. And yeah, and heeven though he wanted to save his daughter,

(41:15):
he saves all of them like itnot just he went back again and
again again and again and again andhe rescued the girls. Wow, amazing
And it's such a like a likea it's a bittersweet story because like what
a horrible thing she experienced, butit's I don't know, like you know,

(41:37):
like this man, who many peoplebecause of what he is, would
be viewed as evil did's one ofthe most greatest act of kindness ever.
Yeah. Yeah, wow, I'mso glad you brought that story. I
was like, I was like,oh my god, this is just getting
me in the fields. But yeah, such a good story. Have you

(41:59):
heard of this like city and somewherein Mexico that like everyone in the city
is like they all like basically allthe men are traffickers. No, and
they have like a festival every yearwhere they Oh my god, I have
to remember my mom was the onewho the one who showed me this.

(42:20):
Okay, Yeah, it's called thenon single. Wow, and where's this?
This is where is the Remember thegirls are in at this point when
they get rescued. Oh right,they're called the pimps are called and like
they have like a festival where theboys are like going like becoming. But

(42:44):
it's it's so strange what that is? Insane? Yeah, I was watching
a thing on YouTube about it withmy mom. Where it's in the state
of Mexico. Oh is that nearI don't even know. I don't even
know what did I think it wasin Taxcala? Oh it is the La
Scala You're right. Why does itsay over here it says there's two singles,

(43:08):
one of one hundred and twenty fivemunicipalities in the state of Mexico,
Mexico. But then yeah, becausethis one is in Black Scala. Okay,
but which one is the one thatis that doesn't Yes, it's the
one in Black Scala. Yeah,it's like a hub for all this And

(43:28):
yes, consider to be the centerof sex trafficking throughout Mexico, with roots
of the practice dating back to nineteenseventy nineteen two. To the nineteen seventies.
Yeah, and like everyone in thistown is involved in it or something
like that. And then they goback and forth from like Houston and other

(43:49):
places taking people. It's like awhole whole system. I guess that lets
this happen. Oh my god.Between twenty eleven in twenty seventeen was at
least two hundred and ten human traffickinglawsuits Incala, and only nine ended up
with jail sentences. Is Tlexcala nearand now I'm curious. I want to

(44:13):
see if I don't think said,well, well let me see. That's
crazy. No they are, They'renot that super close five hours. Oh
that's crazy. Yeah, absolutely wild, discussing very extremely Anyway, do you
have any speaking recommendations? This week? I got a book. Speaking of

(44:38):
books, I'm almost done with TheHaunting so close now it's so good,
it's so good. So there waslike this author who was doing what is
it what is it called when theygot signing books, like a book signing,
book signing. Anyways, let's pretendthat didn't happen. I'm just kidding.

(45:02):
So he didn't have anybody at hisbook signing, and I was like,
I have to like, buy thisman's book. So it's Lay Howard
and the Ghost of Simmons or Simon'sPierce Manner, Simmons Pierce Manner, and
it's by Sean M. Warner,and it's supposed to be like a mystery.
And this is the back of thebook, and it says orphans.

(45:23):
She goes to live with an incrediblywealthy relative she never knew she had.
Struggling to fit into her new world, she can't let go of her grief.
When the police tell her the investigationto her parents murder has hit a
brick wall, she knows the onlyway she could ever know peace is to
solve a mystery herself with new familyand friends, which includes a ghost with

(45:43):
multiple multiple personality issues. Lay riskthe risks everything to find her new answers,
Oh is it Lay or Lee?Lee or Lay? I don't know.
I can't think it's I can't withEnglish names like I was gonna say
it isn't. I feel like thisthing has been going viral on TikTok?
Did it really not? Did itgo viral because he had no one at

(46:06):
his book signing? Yeah? Yeah, he had no one at his book
signing at all, Like he wasthere for several hours and like nobody was
walking up to him. Well,now it has at four point nine at
a five rating on Amazon and onethousand, five hundred seventy ratings. Four
point nine sounds pretty good to me, so I got it. I was

(46:27):
like, oh my god, that'shorrible. It has good reviews. Oh
well, I'll probably check it out. Huh. Okay. I watched a
movie. I realized that normally Iput on a podcast while I'm doing dishes,
but this day I was like,that's not enough. I need something
more because I don't want to dothese dishes at all. So I put

(46:47):
on a movie and just put itlike on the counter because I have like
a my scenk is there, thenthe walls behind it, and then like
the window to the backyard is there, so I put it on the window.
Still, I put my phone there, and I was watching this movie
called Boys from County Hell and it'son shutter and I'm just gonna say,

(47:07):
like two things, irish and vampires, and it's a horror comedy. Yeah
it was. It was good.I had a great time watching it.
I love horror comedies already, soI'm like, already biased I also love
vampires and Irish accents, so youI was gonna absolutely love this movie.

(47:29):
I feel like the only Europeans andI'm like, you're all right is Irish?
Well the Irish had Mexico's back,yeah, you know, and they
are also colonized by England. Yes, and all the memes when all the
memes when what's her name Queen Elizabethdied? Yes, Irish TikTok doesn't Irish

(47:51):
TikTok and Irish Twitter do not play. They were So that was so funny.
Listen, I have like top fivefavorite days on the internet because of
all the memes. That was oneof them that was in my top five.
That memes was fantastic Day number twoprobably when the fucking stupid submarine shit
was happening. That was probably myone of my other favorite days. Yeah,

(48:16):
it was so funny. I wasso sorry for those that I would
like last when I posted memes aboutthis. But we'll all be in hell
singing together, yea together. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna see Ronald Reagan
there and I'm gonna punch him butwe don't and yeah, we like Listen,

(48:37):
just please man, I'll go backto my cell let me punch this
fucker real quick. There's a groupthat I'm in and I posted like,
let's all share these memes thread thatday, and we were most of us
were all laughing, having a greattime. And I think there was like
two comments that were like, Ijust can't believe that we've gotten so low

(48:58):
in humanity that we can laugh.Uh this uh tragedy. And then someone
commented underneath that they were like,these they're rich people. They don't count.
They don't I'm sorry, Like thepeople are like, how dare you
love? I'm like, first ofall, why would I be happy about
the people who are oppressing us notgetting their dues? Like, and a
lot of people are like, ohmy god, but they were just I'm

(49:19):
like, there will the system tooppress people. They're the reason why medical
care is crazy expensive. There's thereason why thousands of people die, thousands
or millions die a year through throughoutthe world. They're the reason why our
entire planet is so contaminated. There'sthe reason why you know, like people

(49:43):
in countries like you know that thatyou sweatshops. Yeah, the reasons why
people die on every single corner ofthe planet. And you're just like sad
about it. The only person Ifeel bad for was that nineteen year old
that did not want to get onyes and did it because he wanted to
make his dad happy for Father's Day. Yeah, that is it. But

(50:05):
everyone else they are responsible for whoknows how many lives ruined not you mentioned,
they're like demanding this, like whenwhen it comes to their money and
their taxes, they're like governments stayingaway, don't touch my money. I'm
not going to help anyone. Pullyourself up. But the boots drops.
Fuck poor people. But the minutethat they need help, oh, where's

(50:28):
the government search for this submarine?Which did happened? And millions upon millions
are spent and at the same time, nothing was spent to find refugees that
you know that drop? So yeah, no, I'm gonna keep laughing.
And that was yeah in my topfive favorite days on the Internet. Oh

(50:50):
yeah, I don't know how wehadn't gotten this point is that movie was
very fun. I do recommend it. Yeah, And again that was Boys
from County And it's like a it'sa good twist on like a vampire story
because it's also a little different.It's not your normal vampire I think so,
it's very fun. And yeah,I started watching this other movie but

(51:13):
then I forgot to finish it,so we'll see. Oh that actually reminds
me though it's not a movie.But guess who has a new episode out
my favorite show Normal Con. Ihaven't watched it. I'm gonna watch it
today. That's hilarious. I alsostarted watching the Oh my god, something

(51:34):
Belotti's Roach. What is it callthough? Oh? Yes, yes,
yes, I saw you old Roach. Sweet about it? It's ride about
it? Oh yeah, no,it was a thread. Yeah, I'm
trying threads out. I don't knowhow I feel about it. It's kind
of annoying right now. Every timeI log onto threads is like brand after
brand making like fucking stupid puns withlike thousands upon thousands of likes, and

(51:55):
I'm like, oh, get thebrands out of here. I think I
followed enough people. I'm not saying, okay, I just haven't been on
it enough. I think I don'tknow. I hate it that part of
it. And then if it's notbrands making all these cheesy ass puns,
then it's influencers asking these open endedquestions that I'm so tired of and then
I started getting a bunch of likethings about God and praying, and I

(52:16):
was like, what is this?What is happening? I don't want to
see any of this. So anyway, that was on threads when I posted
about the Roach show. I'm watchingit. I'm like on episode two.
I do like it so far.So yeah, that's another thing I recommend
threads. I don't know if Irecommend threads. We are on there as
the Spooky Tails, and each ofus are on their individually, but I

(52:38):
don't know how I feel about ityet. I am just I like this
change though, because on Twitter,whenever it would log on, it would
always be no matter how many timesI block elon musk he pops up.
Damn. You know, I justgot tired of it. I just I
avoid Twitter all together now because it'sjust like yeah, yeah, but yeah,

(53:02):
you can find us on threads orInstagram or TikTok. I do have
a Twitter first book tells, butI rarely. I don't post on it
as much as I used to either. And we have a Facebook, but
I also don't use it because Facebook. But yeah, you can find find
us mostly on TikTok and Instagram,and I guess threads. Maybe if I

(53:22):
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