the Haunted Painting in Hotel Galvez & The Case of Juan Delgado

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, This is Christina and a Carmen and this is
another episode of Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things
as spooky, true crime, haunted places, things like that. Today
we have a haunted painting within other stories, and then
I have a very depressing true crime story. Of course.

(00:27):
So we're back, you know, we're back to normal, to
our normal episodes where you back. Baby, We're back to
our roots where you have a paranormal story and I
have a depressing true crime story. Actually your roots were
just paranormal efforts. Oh sorry, we're back to our second roots. Yes, yes,
before that though, we do have a listening story. And

(00:49):
if you want to send a story for us to read,
you can email a Spooky tot at gmail dot com.
You can send it on Discord, you can call the
a Spooky hotline. There's a lot of ways to get
it to us. And this was anonymous. They didn't say
you can say who I am, so we're just gonna
leave them anonymous. Oh okay, well yeah, err on the
side of caution exactly. So this is from someone I

(01:14):
went to prefos this by saying I lived in this
particular house for a couple of years and it was
definitely Embrukada. Several of my friends who visited had very
similar experiences or encounters, and it did eventually meet people
who lived in that home decades before I did and
also share that they had strange experiences there. I personally
have had paranormal things happened since I was little. My

(01:38):
mommy's side of the family is definitely gifted with prophetic dreams,
as am I, but we were raised Catholic, so a
lot of it wasn't really talked about unless it was
something fatal. Anyways, as an adult that have grown away
from religion and more into spiritualism, and that sort of
plays into my story, which I have here because it's
a voice memo on Instagram. I was want to say,

(02:00):
where is it?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I keep trying to record this message and for some
reason something happens that you.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Either can't hear it or it cuts out. I don't know. Anyways,
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Try to case this short and sweet, but just so
you have like a general idea of how like the
layout of where this takes place kind of works. I
was living at the time in a really small kind
of cottage mother in law suitet situation, surrounded by plans.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
It was super cute. The house in front of me.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Three of my best friends at the time we're living
in and the way that the houses were set up
was if we were.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
To open the little like wooding gate.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Between our two houses, both of our yards would be
connected and I could just walk straight into my friend's
house and vice versa. So this particular experience took place
about like five years ago.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So this is like right at the beginning of COVID.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
At the time, I had personally really started getting more
into my spiritualism and building a relationship with ancestors and
creating my own altar and things of that sort. So
this particular experience took place on Halloween night, which happened

(03:23):
to be almost exactly a month after I had moved
into this house.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
And so at.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
The time, my friend was dating the sky very casually,
and she wanted myself and the rest of our friends
I had lived on the property. She had pulled me
aside in particular and was like, listen, I know you
get these really vivid dreams. I want you to get

(03:51):
a feel for him and tell me what do you think.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I said, okay, that's how you use your gifts. Yes, Oh,
I love this living arrangement. I want to live there
with my friends, right, but not yet, so I guess
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Sure, I can definitely do that for you.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
So this particular night, we had a little bonfire going,
we made dinner, we were doing art, we were just
having like a casual, cute little night. Her little situationship
whatever you want to call him, hadn't shown up yet,
and so they're kind of having good time whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
So this guy shows up and he was like.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Walking kind of along the fence. We couldn't see him yet,
and he was like screaming from my friend. Already red
flags all over the place. This guy is over here
being like, yo, I've been calling you the fucking.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Door, like I've been waiting for a while. So offer,
but I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Already like I don't really like this guy. I don't
know what his deal was, But what is he doing
talking to my friend like that? She goes, she lets
him in. He comes through the backyard with us. He's
acting mad, weird. He like tried flirting with one of
my friends in front of her. He was like just
being really disrespectful and the way that he was.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Talking to her. Already, I didn't like him anyways.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
So at some point while we're all outside around like
this bonfire, he is acting mad weird, talking to her
real disrespectfully. She had told him something along the lines
of like, I don't like the way that you're talking
to my friends right now. While this is happening, I
look over and I'm like watching them interact, and my

(05:40):
friend walks away from him, and he looks at me
and it's like he's not there, you know, like his
eyes are kind of like blazed over, like he just.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Doesn't look like he's all the way there.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I should also mention when he showed up, he was
off with Molly and he had been drinking already, so
he was like with cluss fanils don't even So I'm
looking over at him and I'm like, this guy's not there.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Maybe it's the drugs. It's not the drugs.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I start to notice like a figure kind of forming
around him. It's like a dark, sharp black figure. And
then I watched this figure climb onto his back and
it's kind of like the best way that I could
explain it is like it had it's like I guess

(06:27):
what would be its feet, like on his shoulders and
it was like crouched over him, and.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I had bright red eyes, and it looked like.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
He was like sucking something out of the sky, which
at that time my best guess was like it was
his soul or something. I don't know, like it was
sucking something out of him. And immediately I was like, oh, help,
I need to go talk to my friend and tell

(07:02):
her that she needs to say the fuck away from him.
So I pull her aside. We go inside together for
a little bit. We like go into the kitchen. She
picks up a glass, doesn't hit anything, she doesn't drop
the glass. It just as soon as she picks it up,
it literally just like shatters in her hand. And I
look at her and I was like, girl, first of all,

(07:25):
that's a bad woman. Second of all, let me tell
you what I just saw. And I described it to
her and I didn't really know how to make it
sound without sounding like I'm fucking.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Crazy, but she believed me.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
And she's asking me like, well, can you do some
kind of like protection spell on me, because like I
still want to be with him, but.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like what, he's a demon.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't want that thing to get attached to me.
And I look at her and I was a girl.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
First of all, I'm not b ha.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I practice spiritualism, you know, I do things that a
lot of people look at me and they're like, why
do you say you're not a witch?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You're a witch. I am not a witch.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I say that I'm not a witch because I
believe that these are my ancestral practices, and I believe
that the people who came and colonized my island used
terms like bruh to demonize the practices that my ancestors had,
and this is me reclaiming it.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I then identify as.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
A brueh, but I respect everyone else within our community
who does.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's just not the word that I use for myself.
And so I'm telling her I don't do spells.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's not the kind of person that I am. I've
done cleansings, but like that is some shit you do
not want attached to you. You don't want that attached
to you. She didn't listen to me, so they needless

(09:06):
to say. This whole night had gone on kind of
being a little bit of a shit show. She ended
up dating this guy for I think like a year
or something like that, not without any issues, you know,
what I'm saying, like.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Agata, they woke up. She's good now, thank goodness. But
that man has some demons and I've seen them.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
That wasn't the only time I've seen anything attached to him.
At first I thought it was the house, and then
I realized that it was just him. But aside from
that experience, you know, like, I've had experiences within my
house that I know for a fact we're attached to

(10:05):
the house and not the people. Right after I had
that particular encounter, I took my ass right home and
he immediately did a cleansing on myself. I did a
cleansing on the house, and I said, I don't know
what the fuck it was that I saw, but Odo,

(10:26):
I don't want that shit anywhere near me my class. Yeah,
that was probably one of the first experience, but the
first experience I had in that house when I first
moved in.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Wow, that's kind of wild. The whole thing, Like that
whole thing was truly I'm shuck that the friends still
dated him, Like you had a warning, yeah, uh, literal, warning, literal,
and you know, but sometimes they just don't listen until
until they tell the ready. Yeah, until the ready who

(11:04):
hasn't had a friend like that, you know, or has
been that friend? Yeah, true, true, so wow, but just
the that's how strong this thing that was attached must
have been if she saw it. Oh yeah, straight up
manifesting like that. Horrifying, truly truly. Also, whenever you can

(11:25):
send us the rest of your stories, yeah, I love
that and put as much detail as you want. Part
of that reminds me of something, but I already left
my head, so never mind, oh really left their head?
You know what? It reminded me of what it might
be a story. Our mother told us her husband cleans, no,

(11:49):
not cleans some sorry, she cleans the apartment sometimes. He's
like a maintenance person for apartment buildings, and when they
were in Sherman Oaks, that's what he did there. That's
what he does. But you know, they get to live
in property and he just is like basically almost a
twenty four to seven like maintenance person, but he does
have hours. But he would go to this property and
then other properties in the area. And one of the

(12:10):
properties he went to, he was he went in and
he felt like this heavy presence in the house. And
then as he was leaving, he turned this like you
know how sometimes walk some closet doors are like a mirror, Yeah,
like mine. Okay, So he was walking across the room
and he could see the mirror because it was like
almost as long as the wall. And he turned and

(12:31):
there was just this thing, like a black shadow attached
to the back of him, his back, like just hanging on.
Oh don't like that. Whow that remind me of well,
simonlar I just remember when there's so many stories like that. Yeah, yeah,
too many. It's horrifying for many. Whenever I hear something

(12:51):
hanging on to someone's back like that, immediately I'm like, oh,
I gotta throw up. Yep, I don't remember. I think
he because he's like, he's so nice just when you
talk to him. Yeah, friend, he's so nice and carrying,
and he also loves to choose me mad. Oh yeah,
but he I think he walked across and then then
until the whole day, he like didn't tell the thing

(13:13):
to leave. He worked his whole day with it on
its back on his back. He was getting heavier. Then
when he was about to leave him he's like, all right,
I know that you wanted me to carry you, but like,
I gotta go now and you cannot come with me,
but I hope that you got to rest a little
bit by me carrying you around today. Wow. The way
I would never say that, The way I would be like,

(13:34):
get the fuck off me. He threw him back, no
talk his way. So yeah, that's what that reminded me of.
But wow, seriously, thank you so much for your story.
I loved it. Yeah, it was cool, very creepy. Okay,
are you ready? Okay, so we're talking about a haunted painting.

(14:01):
We love cursed painting stories, but they're very hard to
find in Latin America. Actually, cursed object stories overall seem
pretty rare. But that's what led us to today's paranormal topic,
the haunted painting of Bernardo Galvez. It's not Latino or
Latin American, but it's Hispanic because this is a Spanish man,

(14:21):
and the Spanish owe us. They owe us their stories.
We want your stories, someone to suspect them. Yeah, and
that's so bad, I guess some of sorry speyards. I

(14:43):
feel like Donald dug Yeah, so this was a Spanish
man because if it's a haunted painting, obviously he's dead. Yeah.
So the portrait of Bernardo Galvez can be found in
the Hotel Galves in Galveston. The hotel in the town
are both named after him. Wow, I didn't know that,

(15:06):
I know, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Also shout out to our
cousin Luisa. She sent me a video while back about Galveston, Texas,
and I was like, oh, yeah, there's a hotel there,
and that led me to this painting. So thank you.
Just kidding, okay. Bernardo de Galvez was born in seventeen

(15:29):
forty six and was a Spanish military leader or colonizer
if you will, and we will, if we will. He
helped the Americans during the American Revolution. He served as
a colonial governor in Spanish Louisiana and in Cuba, and
at one point became the viceroy, which is like the governor, right, yes, yeah,

(15:51):
like the person in charge of New Spain that you
know has contact with the king in Spain. He was
a seasoned veteran, having parts anticipated in several colonial wars,
such as wars in North Africa, the Americas, but also
across Europe. He supported the US colonists and the French
during the US Revolution and won a bunch of battles,

(16:13):
but the most successful battle was one in West Florida,
which got rid of all British presents in the Gulf.
He became a hero to both Spain and the US.
He died in seventeen eighty six at the age of
forty of typheiss, so he looked to a rivaled age
for back then. Yeah. In recent times, though, he's mostly forgotten,

(16:35):
with the exception of Galvez Day, a local holiday in Pensacola, Florida,
and of course the place is named after him in Galveston, Texas,
and Galvez Louisiana, Louisiana and Louisiana. I feel like I
said it, yeah, but then I made it. No, No,
I think you said it. Normal. Fun fact. In twenty fourteen,

(17:00):
n Galvez received an honor US citizenship, which makes him
one of eight people to have been awarded this honor.
So there is a path to citizenship. You just have
to be dead. You have to die first, and you
had to have been a military yeah. Wow, wow, Wow,
that's how you do it, folks. Maybe you had to

(17:21):
be Spaniards, so they're like spicy Europeans, you know. Yeah, yeah,
not for us, No, not for us. Yeah. And another
fun fact, even though the city and hotel were named
after a bed Nardo he actually never set but in
either place. Hotel Galvez known today as Grand Galvez. Why

(17:43):
would they change the name from Hotenguavis to grant call this?
I don't know. That's kind of weird. That sounds worse. Yeah,
it hotel Hotel Galvez. It rolls off the tongue. Yes,
I was gonna say rings off the tongue, and I'm like,
rings out. That's wrong. No, that's wrong. That's why I
stop myself from saying it. Yeah, and you did, you did,
But yeah, Grand Galvez. I think it feels weird to

(18:06):
me because I had to say Galves in Spanish and Grand.
I guess I could just say Grand Galvez. But it
sounds weird, right Grand Maybe if you're white, Grand Galvez
sounds better. I can't get over all those videos of
like people like they say byeho in English jallejo and yeah,
and I'm like, wy yeho, Yeah, Hotel Galvez gone. Sorry,

(18:31):
Grand Galvez. Grand Galvez is located on twenty twenty four
Seawall Boulevard in Galveston, Texas, right across the street from
a beach on the Gulf of Mexico. Oh the Gulf
of Mexico. Yes, yes, the Gulf of Mexico. Construction for
Hotel Galvez started around nineteen hundred, but it didn't finish

(18:52):
until nineteen eleven. It costs almost one million to build.
Because of where it's located, the hotel and the entire
area has had to whether hurricane after hurricane. One of
the first really bad ones took place in nineteen hundred.
Between six thousand and twelve thousand died during the Hurricane
of nineteen hundred. During this devastating storm, a group of

(19:14):
nuns from Saint Mary Orphans Home tried to survive. Saint
Mary's was home to ninety orphans and ten nuns. They
tried to save the children by tying nine kids with
string to try and help them swim, but unfortunately, with
the tumultuous waves, it made things worse. Since the kids
and nuns were all tied together, they were all thrown

(19:34):
around the water together until they were all dragged down
at once. Oh that's terrible, right, Yeah. Most of them
were never found, except for Sister Catherine. She and the
nine children tied to her washed ashore where the hotel
now stands. The kids and the sister were buried where
they were found along with other victims as the hurricane. Now,

(19:57):
employees and guests claim to see the figure of none.
She's seen pacing the south lawn of the hotel and
looking out to the sea, especially when a major storm
is approaching. Guests of the hotel have felt their blankets
being pulled by little hands during the night. People have
also heard giggling, running, and crying, and it's believed these
are the kids who died. There's also child size handprint

(20:20):
along the bottom of the glass spot door. Hotel workers
find themselves cleaning them off throughout the day, but they
appear again and again. That's annoying. And this goes without saying,
but kids are not allowed in this by area. But
before it was a spot, it was the location for
the hotel's former ice cream parlor and candy store. There's

(20:41):
also a little girl seen bouncing a red ball, but
the ball makes no sound as she bounces it. Then
she's seen it fading as she walks away. She's also
heard whispering ice cream, ice cream. Okay, that's I kind
of love that. Like, if I was dead and I
had to hunt people, I would like bumpos ass mm yeah, yeah,

(21:01):
so it makes sense that you would be talking about
this stuff you like, like ice cream. So I think that
does make sense. And people are unsure if she's part
of the Orphanage kids or a new spirit altogether. Oh
I wonder. Yeah. People have also reported seeing an older
girl in a white dress, a violet sash and a

(21:23):
violet ribbon in her hair. She's standing there when the
elevator doors open, and people think she's riding up to
her floor, so they get in to wherever they're going.
But when they get to their own floor, the girls
nowhere to be seen. Don't like that. I guess she
just likes the elevator. The most haunted room in Hotel
Galvez is a room five hundred and one, home of Adra,

(21:47):
the ghost bride. Every hotel has to have one. Yeah,
I wouldn't be a haunted hotel if there was no
either bride or woman in white or woman in white.
According to Let's during the nineteen fifties, Odra was in
her hotel waiting for her fiance to return to her.
He was a mariner, so always out in the open ocean.

(22:10):
She waited and waited. She would walk from her room
to one of the hotel's rooftop turets turrets, yeah, turrets
where she would search for his ship. This time around.
His ship was supposed to have arrived days ago, and
there was no word on air writing. Eventually she heard
the ship was erect and no one survived. But she
didn't give up, at least not yet. Several more days passed,

(22:32):
and by then she figured he really was lost at
sea and would never return. She gave up and hung
herself from the turret on the rooftop. I don't know
how much time went by after her death, but her
fiance did return and was heartbroken to learn his soon
to be wife had died by her own hand on
the rooftop where she was said to have hung herself.

(22:53):
People see orbits of light floating during the night. Why
did he take so long? She would have been alive.
Why didn't she wait longer? You know what, you're right,
You're right. She could have waited a few more days
and then she wouldn't be a ghost story. Yeah, anyone
that has spent time in room five oh one has
said the lights and the sinks turned on by themselves.

(23:14):
The key for room five o'h one sometimes stops working
and when desk clerks scan it, the computer displays expired
nineteen fifty five. The phone in the room goes off,
but there's never anyone on the other end. Some people
hear a woman crying in the hall leading to the room,
Oh my Shaila. Others feel the pressure of someone sitting

(23:35):
in the bed, but when they look, no one's there.
I hate that. And the following is a story that
involves the fifth floor, but not room five oh one.
Back in December, I stayed at the Hotel Galvez off
the Sea Wall. The hotel is lovely but is notorious
for being haunted, something I didn't realize. Told me stay there.

(23:57):
Always google if your hotel is haunted. Yeah, you should,
just as a precaution. Yeah, if you google, you'll see
the backstory, and I'd recommend doing so. Our room was
situated near the elevators, which weren't which weren't a big
deal because there weren't many people there because it was
off season. Well, at four am, I was woking up
by the sound of the elevator opening and closing. I

(24:19):
didn't think much of it until I heard it again
and again. I laid in the bed listening to the
elevator open and shut, dinging and binging when closing. This
went on for a good ten minutes of me just listening.
I finally got the courage to get up and look
out the people. I saw the elevator opening and closing
by itself. No one was there. I then got the

(24:39):
courage to leave my room and investigate. Nope, no, that's
no for me, that's not for me. Dog. I walked
out and saw no one there but the button being
firmly held down on the outside. The elevator then closed
and went up to the fifth floor and then came back.
The whole process kept going for hours till Madenance arrived.

(25:01):
They looked at everything and saw nothing wrong. They also
said the elevator button was new, so I wouldn't have stuck.
So the only thing that makes sense to me was
some ghosts decided to ruin or getaway. I agree. Yeah,
I don't think it was a broken elevator. And now
onto the painting. I actually kind of forgot about the painting.

(25:25):
Oh yeah, that was the whole play of this. The painting.
Lovely painting, by the way. Yeah, it's actually a little horrifying, Yeah,
a little bit. Yeah, I searched and searched, but could
not find it when the painting was made or by who,
but the artist of the painting was possibly Maya. There

(25:46):
were a lot of pictures of the portrait online and
there's some writing on it. Maybe that talks more about
the history of the painting. But I can't find a
clear picture of it. So if you go read that
and let us know it is unless we go ourselves.
I don't know about that. I don't know if I'll
find myself in Gabbles in Texas, right, if I'm ever there,

(26:07):
I guess yeah, yeah. So the painting is located at
the end of a hallway in the lobby of the hotel.
People have noticed that the eyes in their portraits seem
to follow them as they pass by. If you see
the picture, though, it looks like they're following you, even
if you're looking at the picture on the phone. I
was like, it's creepy. Yeah, like, bitch, why are you
looking at me? The book? Yeah, and the eyes almost

(26:31):
lookly they're go owing. I don't know, yeah, like please
way like m or Others feel uncomfortable when approaching their portrait,
and some even feel a huge drop in temperature when
standing right in front of it. Some have said the
spirit of Bevez comes out of the painting and follows

(26:53):
them around the hotel. I could see him doing that. Yeah,
he would, he would. That's so bad. Pictures of the
painting always come out blurry or with skull shaped orbs
covering the part. Trait, Dude, when you said blurry when
you were talking about the picture, there was like a

(27:14):
weird robot voice and everything else that has been fine
in the episode. So that's a little weird. I don't
like that. The only pictures that ever come out clearly
are from those who ask for permission to take a picture. Okay,
And that was a hotel. Wow, that was fun. Wow. Wow.

(27:36):
Only one part was Hispanic and that was the painting.
But I'm still I loved it all. Actually, it was good.
I liked it. Yeah, yeah, okay, uh, and we'll take
a little break here and then come back with my
very depressing troue grim story. Okay. And so yeah, we'll

(27:58):
just get into my part here. I was tagged in
a TikTok video about someone trying a case that happened
in their hometown of Lahabra, California. That's how they pronounce it. Yeah,
they have three parts on the case. I highly recommend
checking out their TikTok. If you use TikTok, I will
link it in the show notes because she is talking

(28:20):
about it with the lens from someone where this took place,
as well as you know, someone who knew the victim.
She mentions in her video that her older brother was
friends with him. And I wanted to cover it because
this case shook Lahabra, California, and nobody outside of the
town knows about it apparently, or even then, it's really

(28:42):
only remembered by those who were alive when it happened
or were old enough to remember it all taking place.
And I do want to give a content warning because
this does involve the horrific murder of a child as
well as dismemberment and possible sexual abuse. Oh god, it's bad.

(29:03):
I also wanted to say that my main source is
the court transcript. You can find it if you just
look for people of the State of California versus John
Samuel Gobriel. It's all there and that's really how I
piece all this together. But there are some other sources,
but that was the main one. So Juan Delgado was
a brother's son and friend. He was twelve years old

(29:25):
and a sixth grader at Washington Middle School in Lahabra, California.
Everyone that knew him described him as an energetic, kind,
super funny kid. He was one of seven children, the
fourth oldest, and his parents were Juan and Margharita Delao,
a big family. He was described by his parents as restless,

(29:47):
but obedient and hard working. He was always helping elders
in the neighborhood carrying their groceries and from their car.
He was always doing your work for a little bit
of extra money, and he was just always out and about.
Everyone on the block knew him. When he wasn't playing
soccer or doing yard work, he was at a butcher
shop that was on Harbor Boulevard, and all the employees

(30:10):
there knew him. He would they would just let him
hang out there and then he would carry shoppers' bags
to their cars for tips. But he wasn't an official employee.
They just let him do that because it was there
all the time. The hustler, he really was the owner
of that butcher shop. Imron Bolant said that Juan was
such a good kid who wanted to grow up fast

(30:30):
and work to help his mom because he really loved
his mom. On March seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, Juan and
his friend Armando Luna received attention and they were supposed
to report to the homework club from three thirty to
four thirty on that day, but just before three thirty,
Huan told his friend Armando that he wasn't going and
he just left. But before he did that, he told

(30:53):
Armando that he didn't want to go home because he
was scared of his mom. He didn't want to get
in trouble for detention and then for not showing up
to attention, and it seemed to him not wanting to
go home was a common thing for Juan. H In February,
so the month before this happened, Juan had gone up
to another friend, Juan Duarte, and asked if he could

(31:15):
spend the night, but Juan Duarta's father was like, no,
go home, and he said I can take you home,
but Juan said no, and he said he was going
to his aunt's house instead. So he was always asking
friends this. But back to March seventeenth, after skipping to attention,
Juan went to soccer practice and was walking home with
his friend Cipriano, and he told Cipriano that he didn't

(31:38):
want to go home because his mom was going to
spink him. So Sipiano's mom did let Juan spend the
night on that day, and the next morning she took
them both to school March eighteenth, but after she dropped
them off, Juan told Cipriano that he wasn't going to
school and he left. He also didn't go to soccer
practice that day. Sometime after school. Jusefina, a classmate of Juan,

(32:00):
was at her family's restaurant in Pastor on the harbor
of Boulevard, and she heard someone calling her name. She
turned around and it was Juan. Juan was walking with
a one armed man and they were in the alley
behind El Pastor, and Juan looked normal and happy to her,
and it seemed like he wanted to go inside to

(32:20):
go chat with her, because again he's so friendly and
he's just outgoing and he talks to everyone who's seas
and so he wanted to go and talk to his
friend Josefina. But the man that he was with Jester
to Juan to stay with him, and so he didn't
go inside the restaurant. The pair left. Later around four
point thirty, Cipiano, the front from the night before, was

(32:43):
leaving soccer practice and walking home and he ran into
Juan at Lahabor Market and Juan asked to go to
Cepiano's house again, wanted to spend the night, and they
walked up together and he was hanging out his house.
But that evening, when Cepiano's mom got home from work,
she in there and I was like, what's he doing
here again, which I can already hear likes, But Juan

(33:10):
told Cepiano's mom that he didn't want to go home
because his parents were in Los Angeles. Where is Lahambra.
It is in southern California. Like with traffic, it can
be up to an hour about thirty two miles away, Okay,
I was close, So yeah, that's what he told Cepiano's
mom that his parents weren't there, they were in LA

(33:31):
But she was like, no, I'm taking you home. And
so they got to Juan's house around nine thirty pm.
She went to the front door. First, she spoke to
Juan's older brother. She got back to her car and
she told Juan go inside. They're waiting for you. And
Juan did leave the car, but he might have not
even gotten inside. It's unclear to me what happened. I
am so interested to find out more. Yeah, so it

(33:55):
seems it seems like he didn't go inside. But that
was the last time that Cipriano saw his friend. Wow,
And I don't Yeah, I really don't think that maybe
his brother saw him. Brothers saw him away walk away,
But I can't find like details on that part right there.
But when Juan failed to return home Tuesday the seventeenth

(34:15):
and then Wednesday the eighteenth, his mom wasn't too worried
because apparently this again was a normal thing for him.
But she says, like, oh, he was just so friendly.
He was always our friend's houses. He would often just
forget to go home. He's so independent. He and this
independence worried her and she thought something would happened to
him because of how friendly an independent he was. Yeah,

(34:37):
so it wasn't alarming for him to not be home
two days in a row. When he finally didn't come
back on Thursday, March nineteenth, this is when she was
worried because he'd never been gone that long. How many
she calls us. No, this was now three that he
hadn't been home, but only one from when he his

(34:59):
friend last night. Okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah, and so she
called the police and yeah, the police did actually respond
and talk to neighbors, friends and family, and then you know,
like Friday goes by without hearing any news. Then on
the morning of Saturday, March twenty first, Lorenzo Estrada was

(35:20):
guardianing his front yard on the corner of North Willow
Street and Greenwood Avenue in Lahabra. His neighbor walked out
to him and told him that he had just seen
a big cylinder shaped piece of concrete on the Greenwood
side of his property. Oh and this cylinder shaped concrete
thing had not been there when Lorenzo got home around

(35:41):
one fifteen in the morning. So he went to go
look at it because he's like, what's this doing in
my house? And when he walked up to it, he
noticed that there was a red liquid uzine from this
concrete thing tube cylinder. He called the police right away.
They arrived, they all saw the blood looking from the
concrete cylinder. Not long after, they received a call about

(36:05):
a second cylinder found on Walnut street, not that far
from this first cylinder at all, like do less than
two blocks away on the same street as Lorenzo Estrada's house.
They found. Investigators found wire wood, a target basket, a
blue plastic jug, a sandal one sandal of a pair,

(36:25):
and a shopping cart with wet cement. And right behind
that shopping cart there was a trail of blood and
went cement like it just like you could tell someone
was pushing nothing along and it was just leaving a trail.
That second cylinder was only a few blocks away from
the first, and when police followed the path of wet
cement and blood from that shopping cart, it led them

(36:48):
straight to a shed behind a house on Greenwood Avenue.
These cylinders were taken to the corner's office almost right away,
where they broke them open, and in the cylinders they
found remains, some in black plastic bags, others just inside
the concrete cylinder. They still needed DNA confirmation, but with

(37:09):
the family having reported Juan Delado missing, they were suspecting
this was fun. Oh wow. His lower abdomen and pelvic
area were still missing. They were not in the cylinders.
A third, yeah, a third cylinder containing these body parts
was found next year, but his genitalia was never found.

(37:33):
What yeah, oh my god. And by now they they
had DNA confirmation that it was Juan del And so
at the same time as these cylinders are at the
corner's office, investigators are following that path to the shed
they found the shed. They needed to know who this shed,
you know, belonged to before they could just break it open,

(37:55):
like you know, they need an official like warrant to
get in there, right, So they learned that thirty one
year old John Gobriel lived in the shed. He rented
it for one hundred dollars a month from a family
and John Golbri was arrested after checking out of the
Lahabra Motel on the morning of the twenty second. So

(38:16):
the day after they found all this, and as he
was arrested, investigators entered the shed. And you know, at
the same time, the coroner was now conducting the official autopsy.
So in the shed they found a saw, saw blade, scissors,
a knife, a bloody cleaver, bowl, cutters, a trowel, a

(38:38):
capping tool, tin snips, latex gloves, a black stock pot
with cement inside, and then just the packaging for all
these things, it looked like they had just been bought.
What John Gobril's fingerprints were found on the stock pot,
the capping tool, and the packaging for the cleaver. And
for those that don't know, a capping tool is that

(38:59):
tool that flat with the handle that's used to flatten cement.
Have you seen it? I think so, yeah, I think
you have. If you look up. Keptin told you'll recognize
the picture right away. And that thing had his fingerplant
fingerprints along with other tools. They also found wet cement
on the floor, blood on the carpet that would later

(39:21):
be identified as Juan Delgados. They also saw found blood
on the dresser, a wall, a quilt, and a blanket.
They also found black trash backs, receipts for purchases made
at super Kmart, home depot, pornography, children's books which was
very random, and children's toys, as well as a sandal

(39:43):
matching the one found on the street by one of
the cylinders that single pair. The other pair was inside
the shed. And then there was also some shoes and
clothing that were identified later as belonging to Juan. His
brother identified the clothing and the shoes, and there was
a detention slip with Huan's name on it, so there

(40:03):
was like no denying he was in the shed wow
at all. And obviously once they did, like you know,
testing the blood, they found that it was Once the
shed was also searched for evidence of sexual assault, but
nothing was positive, like nothing was conclusive. The autopsy and

(40:24):
again warning this part is probably the most graphic it's
going to get. The autopsy showed trauma to the left
eye that was consistent with asphyxiation, but a specific cause
of death could not be identified. They did also learn
that the dismemberment of Huan was done after he was
already dead. And when they found the third cylinder a

(40:47):
year later, it was tested for semen and they found
a partial protein based on just sperm heads. Like usually,
I guess when the FBI is identifying like that, they're
looking for a head and a tail. They don't just
look at the head because it could be anything, apparently,
but when the police were looking at it, the person

(41:10):
the coroner, not corner, but the forensic person who looked
at it and said, yes, this is a semen because
of the first half. But the FBI would later, well,
I guess we'll go into that part in the trials
and it doesn't matter this part. But so at first
they reported that they found this half specimen of semen

(41:31):
a single protein, but there was no tale visible and
they were unfortunately unable to extract DNA from this small
specimen that was found. They also found zero defensive wounds
on Juan. There was no evidence that could show exactly
how Juan was killed. The only thing they knew for
certain is that he was dismembered after he was already dead.

(41:53):
So and even his death certificate it says death by
unspecified means, and they said that he was likely asphyxiated
was the most likely cause. And his remains were cut
into six separate parts, and they found this gray powdery
material on all the remains, which is probably that cement mix.

(42:17):
The larger of the three cylinders was two hundred and
four pounds and the smaller one was eighty eight pounds,
and I couldn't find how heavy the third cylinder was
that was found one year later, but it was smaller
than the other two. And John Goldbriel was officially charged
on June twenty ninth, nineteen ninety eight. So this all

(42:40):
happened in March and he was officially charged in June
with the malice murder of Juan del Gado in violation
with Pinocle Section one eight seven. They also charged him
with the attempted commission of the performance of elude and
Lassevius Act upon a child hundred fourteen. Then you know,
as what happens with all these very vital cases. The

(43:03):
defendants single team and the prosecution both had to build
their case. So it took a while for this to
go to court. But on September tenth, two dozen one,
jury selection began. Wait what but it was postponed? Oh okay.
On September tenth, two dozen one, jury selection began, but
it was postponed. Oh okay, okay. Two thousand and one.

(43:26):
This happened, okay, okay. See yeah, and so it was
postponed because of September eleventh, two one. Wow, the defense
must be why nobody remembers this right? So much happened?
The defense fear that John Golbriel would not receive a
fair trial due to the growing anti Arab sentiment after

(43:46):
nine to eleven, because John was a John Goldbril was
an Egyptian national. Wow, I'm sorry to say, I just
assumed he was why I know, I know you did. Whoops, yeah,
I know he was visibly like Middle Eastern and so

(44:07):
oh wow. Yeah they were concerned about that. But finally
jury selection began. Jury selection began October two thousand and one,
which arguably, arguably is not that long after September eleventh,
So I would I would imagine that anti Arab sentiment
still happened, Yeah, only a month later. Yeah, it probably

(44:29):
just grew after a month. Yeah. But before I go
on with the trial and the sentencing and all that,
I want to talk about who John go'brian was, how
he ended up in Lahabor and his religis both Juan
del Gado and I'm so sorry to do this because
I hate doing this, but this is going to be
in part two. Wow. Yeah, because we need to catch

(44:51):
up on episodes. We need to build a bank here. Yeah.
But yeah, that was the first half of the k Wow. Yeah,
and I'm just shocked. That's something so horrific and like
I didn't even know what happened. And that's that We're
from California, just not this part of California. Yeah, but yeah,

(45:13):
it's a really you know, a tragic case. But yeah,
we'll finish that in part two before we go. Do
you have any speaky recommendations? I do. It reminded me
of it because of the hurricane that happened in the

(45:36):
story about the hotel. Oh, it was a fantastic land.
It was a book club pick from my work book club,
which is falling apart, by the way, falling apart. Yeah,
they kept putting around. I'm like, I was trying to
tell everyone when we first started this, I'm like, okay,
typically you have a month to read the book. But then,

(45:58):
like the first book we finished hell fast because it
was a free to make fat and thriller, you know
those are like, yeah, you read those hell fast. And
they're like, oh, well, let's just go off with the
number of pages and what kind of book it is
and then we'll set that something. They were like sitting
our meat are to finish the book like two weeks,
three weeks and random every book was different, and yeah,

(46:21):
the last I think everyone only read the first like
two books, and after that people started falling off. So
but I have been reading them, and I've been reading
books I wouldn't normally read. So that's interesting. That's cool. Yeah,
So what was this one again. This one is called

(46:41):
Fantastic Land. It is I would say it's like a thriller,
So let me just read the synopsis. Real quick description. Okay,
it says ideal for fans of Lord of the Flies
and Battle Royale, a gripping thriller in which an amusement
park becomes a scene have a real life nightmare, written

(47:02):
as an investigation with first person interviews. So then it says,
when online personas take the place of private identities, what
happens when these societal constructs disappear. The employees of Fantastic
Land find out after a hurricane hits the Florida coast,
Fantastic Land has been the theme park where fun is
guaranteed for nearly forty years. After the hurricane, detectives and

(47:24):
others who make it to the survivors more than a
month later discover a scene out of a nightmare. Evidence
of grizzly murders are all over the park. Yet the
only ones who could have committed these savage and horrible
acts were the college age employees. What drove them to
such violence? So it was interesting at first, it felt
kind of slow, and I'm like, okay, get on with this,

(47:46):
and I didn't like the writing style necessarily, like it
felt a little bit try hard, Like oh, like there
was this one, but a lot of the characters, not
just one, but the one I remember off the top
of my head. They're asking her about her boyfriend. She's
describing him, and she's like, oh, he's he was such
a hustler. That's what I liked about him. But the
way she was describing the I'm like, no one in

(48:07):
the right fucking mind would ever say this. No one talks. Yeah, no,
I'm sorry, but no. And then there's like little things
like that here and there, and then there's one part
towards the end where they're interviewing the son of the CEO.
He's like, this hot chica came up to me and
I'm like, oh my gosh, shut up. If there's nothing
I can so not on my block. Yeah type of

(48:31):
Spanish Spanish. But he was just saying chica because I'm
assuming it's a Latina. He would himself was not Latino.
That's worse. That's worse. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that guy
on TikTok that It's like when you're a white coworker
wants to meet latinas and he's like, he does a parody.
And I don't know if he actually has a Latino wife,
because that would be even funnier. I'm not sure. It's
the guy who also persons to be like a fat

(48:51):
guy at parties. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's just hilarious.
It is. But yeah, the writing style it didn't mesh
with me. Like I didn't like how the characters talked,
because like it was an interview style, you know, and
then there was this other character like they'll say because
you when you're talking, you say like but then and

(49:12):
this is so petty. I don't even think anyone cares
about this. But where the word like was inserted, it
didn't come off as natural. Oh do you know what
I mean? Okay, I do, I do. Yeah, Like, you
can't just stay like anywhere in the sentence. It has
to make sense, you know what I mean? So I
didn't like that. But it was still interesting and things

(49:33):
really picked up towards the end and I couldn't put
it down. I needed definish it. Okay, So it was
still a good read. It was still entertaining. I didn't
like the theory, the explanation that the reporter in the
book came up with for the violence, the reason for
the violence. It was very born to me, so I

(49:54):
didn't like that. But I love an interview style book.
I love that absolutely. And I learned the name of
that and I forgot it already. I don't know, so yeah,
that's my it's a style like it has a name,
which of course it does everything does right, Yeah, but
I didn't know this until recently, and I'm like, wait,
I'm a fan, Wait I like this, yeah, so so yeah,

(50:14):
I mean it was still I think people would still
enjoy it. It was very gory, obviously m hm. And I
ended up breading it. I think it was like three
point seventy five because I was like, first, I'm like,
I don't like this, Like I'm like, I felt like dragging.
And then I hate it, you know, like I said,
the writing, the way the characters talk, but because of
how it caught me, like it gripped me the my attention.

(50:38):
Towards the end, I'm like, oh, I had to wait
it like higher like you know, so anyway, Yeah, it's
fantastic Land by Mike back oven Oven okay O buck Obin,
I'm not sure I pronounced it well, yeah, one of
those is right, probably, Yeah, okay, I'll have the No,
I don't know if i'll check it out. I mean, yeah,

(51:02):
I could let you borrow away one day, take another
if I remember, I'll think about it. I also, do
you have another one?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I listened to Bunny by Mona Awad and it's wanted
to ask you, but it was hella weird. I don't
know if I have an easier time reading it then
listening to it, because some parts I'd like I didn't
realize I got to the end. But maybe it's because
apparently it's a series. I didn't even know it's a series.
I thought this was the only one. Yeah, I didn't

(51:31):
know that. So the way it ended, I think it
makes sense because there's a part two, so okay, okay,
But a lot of things, I mean, the main character
is a little crazy, not to say in like derogatory,
like she is, you know, like truly no, but she is,
and so a lot of like what she says, you

(51:51):
don't know if it's reality or not. And it's sometimes
liable narrator. But it also has like a vibe of
dark academic Yeah, because she all let me read the
description really quick. I think that's where it loses you now, Yes, yeah.
Samantha Heather Mackie couldn't be more of an outsider in
her small, highly selective MFA program at New England's Warren University.

(52:17):
A scholarship student who prefers the company of her dark
imagination to that of most people. She's utterly repelled by
the rest of her fiction writing cohort, a click of
unbearably twee rich girls who call each other Bunny and
seem to move and speak as one. But everything changes
when Samantha receives an invitation to the Bunny's fabled smut

(52:38):
salon and finds herself inexplicably drawn to their front door,
ditching her only friend Ava in the process. As Samantha
plunges deeper and deeper into the bunny sinister yet saccharin world,
beginning to take part in the ritualistic off campus workshop
where they conjure their monstrous creations, the edges of reality

(53:00):
begin to blur so I mean it doesn't begin to blur. Soon,
her friendships with Ava and the Bunnies will be brought
into a deadly collision. The spellbinding new novel from one
of our most fear. That part doesn't matter, but yeah,
that's what it's about. Okay, I might check that. Actually,
that one is on my TBR. If I would have
reminded myself what the synopsis was, I think I would

(53:23):
have been more okay, yeah, like I would have remembered
because I don't know, maybe in my mind would just
wasn't in it. In this one, I couldn't pay attention
that much and it was hard to follow, and it
could have just been a meeting. And also you know
what you need an ADHD diagnosis and application, and then
you'll probably be maybe say that because I can read now,

(53:45):
but I listened to this one. No, true, I can't read.
Listening is actually harder because I'm not just gonna sit
there and listen and do nothing. I have to multitasks.
But then, like I don't pay attention in some parts.
The thing that's risky for me when i'm multitas is
what I'm multi tasking with. If I am reading something else, no,

(54:05):
absolutely not. But if I'm walking or writing my bike,
or if I'm in also writing something, it's tricky you know,
then I sometimes I do that, So that's probably what
happens Okay, yeah I can't.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
But.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, it got it picked up towards the ending, and
then I was like, what the fuck? Okay, I would
still recommend it because also it was like cold tea witchy.
I love that. Uh mean, girls click, I love that.
And the audio book was actually good because I like

(54:45):
the different voices she had for the different bunnies. The girls. Yeah,
and one of them talked Caelifoni, like hello, bubbly. But
the thing she would say, You're like, what the this
is giving me scream queens vibe? Yeah, vibe kind of.
I love scream Queens. But the thing I don't like
is a dark academia. It's it's so serious. It takes
yourself so seriously, and I can't stand something that's try hard.

(55:07):
I can't stand it, you know what I mean, you
really can. Last book you just mentioned that was your
critique similar similar vibes. These ones really think that they're
like so dark because they're in this MFA program and
what they write in their minds. And now I'm just like,
get over your fucking self, dude. Like, so that's one
thing I think, But you know what, someone with similar

(55:28):
vibes and maybe in an f MFA program. I really
enjoyed it. Maybe I really like the aspect of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another thing there was like these certain characters that I
feel like they didn't delve into that much. But now
that I know it's a series, maybe that's why that means.
I think also that would help me. If I knew
the series, then I would have been like, okay, like

(55:49):
this probably will be more go more in depth in
the second book, so right right, yeah, okay, that one
I will keep on my to be horned then, and
now that I know that I'm what I'm going into,
I feel like, yeah, I will like it more or
understand it more. At least I don't have spooky recommendations

(56:16):
that are spooky other than I did place a hold
on this book called Julie Chan Is Dead. Oh that's
on my TVR. Okay, I haven't read it yet, so
I don't know how it will be. But it says
for fans of Bunny and Yellow Face, which I've read neither,
you might like it. But it's a thriller and it

(56:39):
apparently has like, you know, suspense. A young woman steps
into her deceased Twins influencer life. Someone said Twins and
I was there. I was there immediately, so yeah, that's
on my list. Listen to this first sentence of the synopsis.
Julie Chan has nothing her twisting, her twin sister has
everything except the pulse. Wow. Right, And so immediately I'm like, yeah,

(57:03):
I'm gonna check that out. So I place the hold
and I'm thirty fourth in line. So it's twenty three
week wait damn. I tagged it, but I didn't because
I had a bunch of other books because I was
listening to so I was like, oh, I'm not going
to borrow yet, and I bet you now there's like
a long as I did get Libro FM. Oh you

(57:24):
need to yeah, because my library didn't have the audiobook
version of Jesus and John Wayne, and I tried reading it. However,
I just was not in it. I couldn't read. I
love listening to nonfiction books because reading them is hard.
Those are my favorites who listen to me too. Yeah,
I just and you get twenty one days. And I
just was so busy writing other things that I just

(57:45):
couldn't read. But sometimes I can listen. And that's actually
what I finished on my train ride back to Vancouver.
From Seattle, but so I placed a hold. So that's
why I got Libro FM so I could listen to that.
And I also placed a hold on the Haunting of
Room nine oh four. That's a fourteen week wait for me.
I'm seventh in line.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
But the Haunting of Room nine oh four is let's see,
Olivia Becente was never supposed to have the gift. But basically,
this girl unexpectedly dies, and then this other girl can't
stop seeing and hearing things from after this girl died.
And she's an in demand paranormal investigator. She's scared her job,

(58:27):
but you know, that other girl still haunts her. And
it takes place at the Brown Palace, a landmark Denver hotel,
and every few years a girl is found dead in
room nine oh four. No one can explain it. It doesn't
matter what room she checked into the night before, it's
always room nine to four. Wow. And that's what she's investigating.
I love a mystery like that occurs, sort of, it

(58:49):
feels like, you know where, It's like every year this
happens and we can't explain it. That kind of stuff.
I'm again, I'm there for it. I'm seated. I will
read it. That's why I loved this cursed house. This
girl's house was like twist out their twists, how their twists? Like,
I'm like, what the book? What it really was? And
remember I kept texting like, oh my god, now this happens.
I loved every minute of it. So those are my holds.

(59:11):
I don't know how they're gonna be yet because I
haven't read them. Because again, I've read Jesus and John Wayne,
and I highly recommend Jesus and John Wayne. It's not
a spooky recommendation though, because it's not spooky, although you
will be horrified while reading it, so maybe it is
a little bit, yes, you will. I've been in a
Carmen passed down her obsession with like fundamentalists. I did,

(59:34):
so I did listen or started listening to fuck I
forgot the name again. In my Mother's House, In the
House of my Mother, The House of my Mother. Yeah,
The House of my Mother by Sherry Frankie about Ruby Frankie.
That's what I started listening to. So that's what I'm
actually reading. And again I've been listening to Only in

(59:56):
Bed with the Right, which talks about a lot of
this kind of stuff, such a good podcast. It's so good.
And then I also started listening to A Bit Fruity,
another great podcast, yeah, because he was a guest on
in Bed with the Right. And then I also had
been meaning to listen to Weird Little Guys already, and

(01:00:16):
so I started checking out Weird Little Guys. I started
on the South African episode. Okay, me too. I'm like
on the third or fourth one already of this. But
you know, if you want to be informed out like
fascist stuff throughout history, highly recommend all three of those podcasts,
Fascists in History or now. All three of those are good.

(01:00:36):
So yeah, that's all I have been doing. And once
I get those holds, I will actually have speed recommendations
because we'll see I actually going to read horrid things again.
I've been busy with nonfiction. Yeah, so yeah, that brings
us to the end of the episode. Wow, this was
a long one. I need to get my children to
bed and I need to eat. So then I thought,
oh my god, I'm so sorry for keeping you hostage

(01:00:59):
for two hours. It's fine. I was ordering door Dash
because I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna want to
cook after this. I'm sorry, but no no, no, no,
no same. I didn't cook today either, don't I will never.
I will never betray you like that. Okay, because I
play don't read the doorbell, it's because it doesn't like
you want to spend money on stuff. So yeah, right

(01:01:20):
mine money, just saying I don't know, okay. So yeah,
that brings us to the end of the episode. Welcome
back with my horrible depressing two crimp case. Part two
of that in the next episode, and who knows what
we'll do for the part normal. We don't know yet.

(01:01:41):
We don't know because we're recording very last minute, but
I want to catch up. Yeah, okay, We're We're being
on top of it. We are trying. We're trying. Yeah,
we're trying. Over on Patreon, you can hear thirty minutes
of yapping about my vacation in Seattle as part of
this episode. But we also did just record a bonus
episode where we're talking about paintings, hunted paintings. Yeah, redit

(01:02:02):
storme yes, today's episode. That's why I searched for it. Yeah,
and also at some point we're gonna record our Sinners
discussion again with MJ or part two of that. If
you miss MJ. Come over to Patreon. Come over to Patreon.
You can subscribe for a week and then counsel it.
If you just listen to that episode or whatever else
you want to listen to and then cancel it. No, biggie. Also,

(01:02:24):
I finally have sticker ideas for everyone else, and I
will be sending those out. Did you think of more? No?
I just have to that's fine, Oh all right? And
everyone else, Yeah, stay a spooky And if you see
a little girl bouncing a ball that doesn't make bouncing sounds,
she's a ghost, all right, Bye bye.

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